[00:00] <magcius> crdlb, can notify-send dismiss the current notification?
[00:00] <maco> dtchen: "break your system in bad ways" ...as opposed to breaking in good ways?
[00:00] <danbhfive> maco: er, yeah?  But warning, I get a system lockup
[00:00] <crdlb> magcius: it doesn't appear so
[00:00] <maco> O_O
[00:00] <dtchen> maco: ?
[00:00] <maco> danbhfive: well my wpa passphrase gets rejected all the time on...well any network but my own (?) and it doesnt lock my system
[00:00] <danbhfive> maco: Im trying to confirm its an actual bug, and not just me
[00:00] <dtchen> (i only removed the udev portion)
[00:00] <magcius> crdlb, what library do I build against then?
[00:01] <maco> dtchen: yeah but im still laughing at that
[00:01] <magcius> Is it still the same libnotify?
[00:01] <crdlb> magcius: yes
[00:01] <magcius> Using d-bus messaging?
[00:01] <maco> you can uninstall notify-osd
[00:01] <crdlb> libnotify has python and vala bindings (and of course there's C)
[00:01] <magcius> crdlb, but is notify-osd using a different libnotify library?
[00:02] <crdlb> yes, or you could use dbus directly, I guess
[00:02] <crdlb> no, it's just a different service implementing the same API
[00:02] <maco> magcius: the library is notify-osd
[00:02] <maco> magcius: notify-send is still the same command though
[00:02] <crdlb> no, the library is libnotify?
[00:02] <maco> er...ok im confused
[00:03] <maco> i thought libnotify meant you get those little yellow bubbles in lower right corner
[00:03] <crdlb> notify-osd and notification-daemon are the two choices for the service which listens on dbus to display the popups
[00:03] <magcius> maco, that's notification-daemon
[00:03] <maco> oooooh
[00:03] <maco> ok
[00:03] <maco> sorry
[00:03] <danbhfive> maco: hmmm, then I don't know whats going on.  My system crashes everytime
[00:03] <maco> danbhfive: could be your driver
[00:03] <magcius> crdlb, what about notify-daemon?
[00:03] <maco> danbhfive: what happens if it fails from the command line instead of nm?
[00:03] <crdlb> never heard of that
[00:04] <danbhfive> maco: I haven't tested that yet.  I suppose thats the next step.  Its just such a pain, since it locks up my system  :)
[00:04] <magcius> crdlb, it's in the Ubuntu package index, I'm assuming it's nothing important.
[00:05] <crdlb> magcius: it's not installed and not available here, so ... :)
[00:05] <crdlb> probably an old name for a package
[00:06] <magcius> Is there then a way to get the ID for the current message displaying?
[00:07] <magcius> Why is notify-osd in the Orca package?
[00:07] <magcius> err... /var/lib/python-support/orca
[00:07] <magcius> Not package, directory/.
[00:08] <maco> ...is not
[00:08] <maco> oh
[00:08] <maco> wait yes there is one...
[00:09] <maco> it says there's a notify-osd script for orca, in dpkg -S's output
[00:09] <magcius> That's the only notify-osd locate found.
[00:09] <maco> what does orca do again?
[00:09] <magcius> Screen reader.
[00:09] <maco> dpkg -S notify-osd will show all notify-osd files and what package they're in
[00:09] <crdlb> it's for assisting in reading notify-osd bubbles, presumably
[00:10] <crdlb> there's a notification-daemon.py too
[00:10] <magcius> Ah.
[00:10] <magcius> Why can't it just listen on dbus?
[00:11] <crdlb> no idea
[00:24] <magcius> crdlb, Is there then a way to get the ID for the current message displaying?
[00:25] <aboSamoor> dtchen: any news regarding the audio stack ?
[00:26] <dtchen> aboSamoor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6846672#post6846672
[00:27] <crdlb> magcius: doesn't look like it
[00:28] <magcius> crdlb, :(. That's stupid. I can't do this entirely in bash.
[00:28] <crdlb> you can close a notification, but you need its id
[00:29] <magcius> So how do I find its ID?
[00:30] <crdlb> it's the return value of the Notify method if you're using dbus directly
[00:30] <magcius> crdlb, notify-send?
[00:31] <crdlb> dbus-send if you really wanted to do it with a shell, but it's a losing proposition
[00:31] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_r500_power&num=1
[00:32] <DanaG> Certainly doesn't agree with my experience.'
[00:32] <billybigrigger> what ever happened to fast boot times?
[00:33] <dtchen> billybigrigger: in what context?
[00:33] <magcius> billybigrigger, I don't know. What ever happened to fast boot times?
[00:33] <billybigrigger> seems like my bootchart times are getting alot worse as we get closer to release
[00:33] <dtchen> e.g., fresh install or distribution upgrade?
[00:33] <dtchen> my tests in a vm have gotten faster
[00:33] <billybigrigger> well after the last couple kernel updates my boot times keep getting 5 or 10 secs to them
[00:33] <billybigrigger> fresh install a couple weeks ago
[00:33] <magcius> billybigrigger, it's faster for me.
[00:33] <billybigrigger> alpha 5
[00:34] <billybigrigger> well i was at 16s fresh install alpha 5, im now over 30s
[00:34] <billybigrigger> seems every time i do a kernel update they get worse
[00:34] <DanaG> same happening for me.
[00:35] <DanaG> It was down to 35 seconds, and now is back to 47 or so.
[00:36] <dtchen> keep in mind Scott's reference platform is unlikely to be identical to your current hardware
[00:36] <dtchen> (Mini9)
[00:36] <maco> wasnt "on netbooks with solid state drives" also something that tacked on as fine print with "we're going for faster boot speeds"?
[00:37] <magcius> crdlb, so there's no way to get the ID of the current notification? That sucks...
[00:37] <crdlb> magcius: how do you define "the current"?
[00:38] <maco> magcius: request another notification and then kill that ID-1?
[00:38] <dtchen> maco: depends. IMO, no, not fine print. i was sitting there when we discussed that goal.
[00:38] <magcius> maco, I'm using notify-send, which doesn't give IDs.
[00:38] <magcius> crdlb, the one that notify-osd is currently showing?
[00:38] <crdlb> I should point out that I'm using notification-daemon, so it's possible that notify-osd has some additional methods
[00:38] <crdlb> but I doubt it
[00:38] <maco> dtchen: heh i just mean that its only ever repeated as "faster boot times" as if it were "in general" but im pretty sure netbook/ssd was the context of the goal
[00:39] <crdlb> magcius: but it can show one of each type can't it?
[00:39] <magcius> crdlb, yes, which sucks.
[00:39] <maco> dtchen: you were there though, so ill defer to your memory
[00:39] <magcius> crdlb, why can't it stack notifications?
[00:40] <bruce89> magcius: they want to make it as useless as possible
[00:40] <crdlb> I didn't write it :)
[00:40] <dtchen> maco: the goal is to decrease boot time across modern commodity desktops, yes
[00:40] <maco> magcius: because they want it to be legible
[00:40] <magcius> It looks pretty but it's practically useless feature-wise.
[00:40] <dtchen> maco: however, the reference platform is a particular Dell Mini9 config
[00:40]  * bruce89 now uses gnome-(italian name)-session
[00:41] <magcius> Can't attach to GTK+ objects, no actions, only one notification at a time.
[00:41] <maco> magcius: if i get my entire right 1/4 of my screen taken up by 15 notifications that i cant even read because i cant read 15 things at once and i also cant use the right 1/4 of my screen (hint: the way notification-daemon works)...that's not usable
[00:41] <magcius> maco, and that's why they should have a backlog and a close button, like notification-daemon
[00:41] <bruce89> why they've done this, I just don't know
[00:42] <maco> they do have a backlog...
[00:42] <magcius> maco, read the blog post again?
[00:42] <maco> they store up to 1000 in the backlog
[00:42] <bruce89> maybe they want people to go elsewhere
[00:42] <magcius> Okay, I have a serious feature request.
[00:42] <magcius> Go to System->Administration->Services.
[00:42] <magcius> Notice the Unlock button.
[00:43] <magcius> Now click on it. Instead of gksu, a beautiful su dialog comes up.
[00:43] <maco> a su dialog?
[00:43] <bruce89> WORKSFORME
[00:43] <magcius> maco, "They don’t pile up like email, there is no journal of the ones you missed, you can’t scroll back and see them again, and therefor you are under no obligation to do so - they can’t become work while you are already busy with something else"
[00:43] <maco> but su's just command line...how would it have a dialog?
[00:43] <bruce89> maco: that's PolicyKit
[00:43] <magcius> maco, I meant the Authenticate dialog.
[00:44] <magcius> PolicyKit, thank you.
[00:44] <crdlb> magcius: what's the feature request part?
[00:44] <maco> bruce89: oh that
[00:44] <bruce89> which is better than gk*
[00:44] <magcius> I was looking for the name of that.
[00:44] <magcius> Is it a Gnome project?
[00:44] <maco> magcius: oh i thought by backlog you meant "if one's currently up and another is sent, that one'll be trashed because it wont queue them"
[00:44] <maco> magcius: add the indicator applet to your panel
[00:44] <bruce89> oh I see, PolicyKit has a dialogue saying "enter root password"
[00:44] <crdlb> magcius: it has -gnome and -kde frontends
[00:44] <magcius> Ah.
[00:45] <bruce89> magcius: fd.o
[00:45] <maco> magcius: if you watch the video of how it should be, messages go to the indicator applet
[00:45] <magcius> I want that to be in every gnome app.
[00:45] <maco> what to be in every gnome app?
[00:45] <bruce89> currently only in one
[00:45] <magcius> PolicyKit
[00:45] <crdlb> it will be, I'm sure
[00:45] <maco> why? not all of them need root access...
[00:45] <maco> and shouldn't it be a bug that its asking for root pw when root has no pw?
[00:45] <magcius> maco, I meant the ones that require root access.
[00:46] <magcius> maco, it says nothing about root.
[00:46] <magcius> "System policy prevents modifying the configuration"
[00:46] <bruce89> indicator applet is useless currently
[00:46] <bruce89> only supports Evolution and Pidgin
[00:46] <magcius> Umm... yeah... that's pretty useless.
[00:46] <maco> lemme log into gnome again. last time i tried, it didnt even work for pidgin.
[00:47] <DanaG> New notification thingy sucks for me... it doesn't show brightness or volume notifications at all.
[00:47] <crdlb> still? -_-
[00:47] <DanaG> Not blank, not empty... just not at all.
[00:47] <bruce89> rather a few people don't use Evolution, and I don't use Piding
[00:47] <crdlb> oh
[00:47] <DanaG> And when you skip back a bunch of tracks in quodlibet, it can get stuck laggingly showing bubbles for like 15 minutes.
[00:47] <magcius> And the new volume control applet is broken too.
[00:47] <magcius> DanaG, I feel the same way.
[00:48] <DanaG> Oh, and you scroll up... the slider moves left... to lower volume.
[00:48] <dtchen> DanaG: is the "not showing brightness adjustments" symptom reproducible in a fresh user?
[00:48] <DanaG> The key is that I don't use the default Human icon theme -- I shouldn't have to!
[00:48] <magcius> Also, are the images resized in notify-osd? It displays Album Art for me! I don't want a 20x20 image
[00:48] <crdlb> DanaG: so human fixes it just like the regular missing icons bug?
[00:49] <bruce89> it is clearly very bad
[00:49] <DanaG> Not sure; I'll check in a while.  Right now I'm in Windows.
[00:49] <magcius> I use OSS4 and the volume control isn't working at ALL.
[00:49]  * DanaG uses pulseaudio.
[00:49] <DanaG> Can't use oss4 with pulseaudio... it gives bogus error signals that make PA give up on the device.
[00:50] <magcius> umm... you're not supposed to use two sound servers at the same time.
[00:50] <DanaG> And I do need the multi-device stuff from PA.
[00:50] <magcius> The reason I don't use PulseAudio is because of Wine. Wine says it's PA's fault, PA says it's Wine's fault.
[00:50] <DanaG> Two sound cards.
[00:50] <bruce89> replace a decent notification system with a half-arsed one which doesn't work if you don't use the default icon theme
[00:50] <magcius> OSS4 has multi-device support?
[00:50] <DanaG> I say it's Wine's fault.
[00:50] <magcius> bruce89, and less features.
[00:50] <DanaG> even over network, and switching on the fly?  with upmixing?
[00:50] <bruce89> that's what I meant by half-arsed!
[00:51] <magcius> I would say it's fully-arsed.
[00:51] <magcius> God's not going to bother touching this one.
[00:51] <bruce89> not even Godman
[00:51] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and try playing stuff in quodlibet with the notification plugin.
[00:51] <magcius> sudo apt-get install notification-daemon
[00:51] <magcius> Goodbye.
[00:51] <dtchen> magcius: which v4 snapshot?
[00:51] <DanaG> And skip back to first track a few times.
[00:51] <DanaG> laaag laagg laggg
[00:52] <dtchen> magcius: on which hardware +codec?
[00:52] <DanaG> shows bubbles for like 15 minutes if you hit the button  20 times.  The old one just stacked them, and then let them all expire at once.
[00:52] <magcius> dtchen, AC97
[00:52] <bruce89> not that update-manager appearing as if by virus is good either
[00:52] <dtchen> magcius: which codec?
[00:52] <magcius> C-Media PCI, old old old sound-card.
[00:52] <magcius> dtchen, AC97 is the codec?
[00:52] <dtchen> no it's not; it's a specification
[00:52] <dtchen> you need to see /proc/asound/card*/*codec*/*
[00:53] <DanaG> oh, and when I tried oss4 with my old laptop with a cardbus audigy2, it just hard-locked.  Thus, oss4 was a no-go.
[00:53] <magcius> AC97 = Audio Codec '97?
[00:53] <dtchen> magcius: AC'97 and HDA are both design specifications. They are both implemented by different codecs.
[00:54] <magcius> CM8768
[00:54] <dtchen> right, that's better
[00:55] <dtchen> the latest v4.1 snapshot should be just fine
[00:55] <magcius> dtchen, I have OSS 4.1
[00:55] <dtchen> magcius: yes, which snapshot?
[00:56] <magcius> rev 68
[00:56] <aboSamoor> how can I know which process is using my Hard disk and in what percentage, my laptop hanged twice with HDD being busy for more than 10 minutes with no clear reason !
[00:57] <dtchen> aboSamoor: try iotop if you don't want to go with systemtap
[00:58] <magcius> How can I start a dbus service?
[00:59] <bruce89> I don't know what you mean by that
[01:00] <magcius> There's a .service file that I want to start.
[01:00] <crdlb> just connect to the service name and dbus will start the service
[01:00] <magcius> crdlb, not happening.
[01:01]  * bruce89 should have kept quiet
[01:01] <magcius> crdlb, I just purged notify-osd and now notification-daemon isn't starting.
[01:01] <crdlb> will it work like that?
[01:01]  * crdlb tries to figure out how ubuntu has set things up
[01:01] <bruce89> magcius: install gnome-thingy-session
[01:02] <crdlb> I guess there are some diversions involved
[01:02] <bruce89> replace thingy with some italian word
[01:02] <magcius> crdlb, maybe it unregistered notification-daemon as a service?
[01:02] <magcius> To replace it with notify-osd?
[01:02] <bruce89> stacciatella
[01:02] <crdlb> close
[01:03] <bruce89> I had to look it up in aptitude, but my finger was wrong
[01:03] <crdlb> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service
[01:03] <crdlb> package diverts others to: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service.notify-osd
[01:03] <magcius> Yes, what about it?
[01:03] <DanaG> !info gnome-stracciatella-session
[01:04] <crdlb> so uninstalling notify-osd, should (if I understand dpkg correctly) restore the old .service from notification-daemon to its rightful place
[01:04] <bruce89> more like usable GNOME session
[01:04] <magcius> crdlb, it didn't, and both .service files were there when it was installed.
[01:04]  * crdlb wonders how on earth ubuntu makes that work at runtime with gnome-stracciatella
[01:04] <crdlb> eh? there's only one .service file; the other one has to get renamed
[01:05] <magcius> crdlb, there was both .notify-osd and .service in the directory.
[01:05]  * bruce89 thinks it should have been gnome-haggis-session
[01:05] <crdlb> magcius: right
[01:05]  * magcius thinks no Ubuntu-specific components should ever make its way to production.
[01:05]  * crdlb apt-get sources
[01:06] <crdlb> oh ugh
[01:06] <bruce89> export GDMSESSION=gnome-stracciatella
[01:06] <crdlb> yeah
[01:06] <magcius> So how do I get notification-daemon back?
[01:06] <crdlb> so the package is just a trigger for it
[01:06] <magcius> Just make notification-daemon pretty and I'll be fine.
[01:06]  * bruce89 waits for all the fuss once Jaunty is released
[01:06] <crdlb> I guess I have to apt-get source gnome-session :/
[01:07] <aboSamoor> dtchen: should I restart to test the new pulse patches ?
[01:07] <bruce89> crdlb: http://patches.ubuntu.com/g/gdm/extracted/
[01:08] <crdlb> it's in gdm? O_o
[01:08] <bruce89> good point
[01:09] <bruce89> doesn't appear to be in gnome-session mind
[01:09] <crdlb> haha
[01:09] <dtchen> aboSamoor: which new pulse patches?
[01:09] <crdlb> they put it in the .service file
[01:10] <crdlb> magcius: now that you've uninstalled notify-osd, what do you see in services/ ?
[01:10] <aboSamoor> dtchen: the ones available in your PPA
[01:11] <magcius> crdlb, a correct org.freedesktop.Notifications.service
[01:11] <crdlb> ok, now you need to kill the running notify-osd
[01:11] <magcius> crdlb, did that.
[01:11] <dtchen> aboSamoor: you need to at least log out of your desktop session(s) and back in
[01:11] <crdlb> so what happens now?
[01:12] <dtchen> aboSamoor: keep in mind that [PPA] space will be pretty active this weekend
[01:12] <dtchen> aboSamoor: i'm currently reworking delay and fork detection
[01:13] <magcius> crdlb, doing a notify-send test does nothing.
[01:13] <dtchen> aboSamoor: so expect to see at least one new test version with those changes and at least one new test version beyond that with default resampler changes
[01:13]  * bruce89 doesn't like all the patching Ubuntu is doing to "fix" their defective notifications
[01:13] <crdlb> magcius: is notification-daemon running?
[01:13] <magcius> crdlb, nope.
[01:13] <aboSamoor> dtchen: no problem. I am ready to do anything to fix my mic
[01:13] <magcius> crdlb, I don't know how to start it either.
[01:13] <crdlb> magcius: does it manually start if you run /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon ?
[01:13] <magcius> crdlb, yes.
[01:14] <crdlb> and now notify-send works while it's running?
[01:14] <magcius> crdlb,
[01:14] <magcius> crdlb, yes.
[01:14] <magcius> How the fuck do I remove the completely useless Indicator panel applet? Right-click does nothing.
[01:14] <crdlb> language please
[01:14] <magcius> crdlb, sorry.
[01:14] <bruce89> I just uninstalled it
[01:14] <calc> magcius: the mail indicator?
[01:15] <magcius> calc, the useless Indicator applet in Jaunty.
[01:15] <crdlb> just use gnome-stracciatella :>
[01:15] <calc> magcius: if it is what i think it is you might have to uninstall it
[01:15] <magcius> calc, and I do that how?
[01:15] <calc> dpkg --purge some package
[01:15] <calc> don't know which one
[01:15] <magcius> I meant which package is it.
[01:15] <crdlb> I like how the applet is just a no-op in the strac. session
[01:15] <bruce89> indicator-appplet suprisingly
[01:16] <crdlb> so I tried adding it several times, then switched to regular gnome, and ... :)
[01:16] <dtchen> aboSamoor: meaning internal mic or [external] mic jack? if so, neither are related to PulseAudio
[01:16] <bruce89> and indicator-messages, evolution-indicator
[01:16] <dtchen> bah
[01:16] <calc> oh i just removed the indicator applet no problem here
[01:16] <crdlb> it is possible to remove it, it's just finnicky
[01:16] <magcius> Bah, I just removed that package and nothing happened.
[01:16] <crdlb> it's still in memory
[01:17] <crdlb> maybe you should try that session ...
[01:17] <magcius> killall did the trick.
[01:17] <crdlb> the only two things it does are turning off the things you don't like
[01:17] <magcius> I thought there were more Ubuntu-specific components than that.
[01:18] <calc> i think it used to not be possible to remove it, but that was back when it was still in a private repo
[01:18] <crdlb> according to the blog, those are the only things it does for jaunty
[01:19] <bruce89> magcius: the only ones that are easy to remove
[01:20] <crdlb> they're not wrapping any of their patches in "if os.environ['GDMSESSION'] == 'gnome-stracciatella'"
[01:20] <crdlb> s/==/!=/ :)
[01:20] <magcius> crdlb, please don't tell me they are doing that anywhere.
[01:21] <crdlb> _not_
[01:21] <crdlb> well, apparently the indicator-applet has such a check
[01:21] <magcius> crdlb, the way you said it you made it seem like it was going to come.
[01:21] <crdlb> so, sorry ;)
[01:21]  * magcius bangs his head against the wall.
[01:21] <crdlb> so it's invisible in stracciatella and reappears in chocolate
[01:22]  * bruce89 should just remove the messed up GNOME and use jhbuild to install it
[01:31] <magcius> Arrgghh... notify-osd doesn't allow actions on notifications, saying an alert box should be used instead (wtf?), has no log for viewing later, it's one size for every notification, and truncates any text longer than will fit. (How is that in any way useful?), resizes images to a miniscule 20x20 size, only allows one notification at a time, and doesn't allow attaching to GTK+ components.
[01:35] <magcius> crdlb, so how do I restart this service?
[01:36] <kindofabuzz> what service?
[01:39] <bruce89> magcius: that's a good summary
[01:40] <bruce89> perhaps I'll use it in my latest moan to ubuntu-devel
[01:45] <crdlb> magcius: well, you have it running now :)
[01:46] <crdlb> magcius: if you want to figure out what's going on, you'll need to install d-feet
[01:46] <crdlb> ctrl-c that notification-daemon you ran in the terminal and see if there's still something on org.freedesktop.Notifications
[02:17] <lamalex> is there a package for the novell SLAB menu in jaunty? i googled and did a couple apt searches but didnt come up with anything
[02:17] <lamalex> i seem to remember it being in the repos, but i dont remember the package name
[02:18] <rww> lamalex: gnome-main-menu?
[02:21] <magcius> I like mintMenu...
[02:21] <lamalex> rww: yes i think thats it thank you!
[02:22] <lamalex> magcius: whats the mintmeun?
[02:23] <magcius> lamalex, http://www.linuxmint.com/
[02:25] <lamalex> thanks
[02:45] <wgrant> dtchen: PulseAudio has gone completely crackly for me again... I did upgrade a couple of hours ago, but I've rebooted thrice since then and only this boot has been dodgy.
[03:38] <kazagistar> so... all my file associations are broken, apparently because my compy crashed during an install
[03:38] <kazagistar> so
[03:39] <kazagistar> I downloaded an ISO to reinstall, but Brasereo does not see it as a valid disk image, because it no longer recognizes .iso files
[03:40] <DanaG> heh, nvidia 96 is broken for me on Jaunty, at leas twith compiz.
[03:40] <DanaG> Login just simply hangs.
[03:42] <kazagistar> bah, all the text previews on every icon displays in random locations on my screen instead, its kinda cool :P
[03:45]  * DanaG has a "kill -9 compiz" acpi hotkey setup on the old laptop.
[03:46] <crdlb> poor compiz
[03:46] <crdlb> too bad that doesn't do anything on ubuntu :>
[03:46] <crdlb> well, it doesn't do anything on any distro without the kill being killall or pkill ...
[03:47] <DanaG> killall -9 compiz
[03:47] <crdlb> .real
[03:47] <DanaG> It's bound in acpid.  =P
[03:47] <DanaG> yeah.
[03:47] <DanaG> Bound to the useless "battery info" hotkey.
[03:48]  * DanaG wonders what you can do with an S3 Savage
[03:48] <wgrant> Destroy the environment a little bit more.
[03:51] <crdlb> hmm does anyone know offhand what notify-osd does with notifications which ask to be permanent?
[03:51] <crdlb> I would guess it just ignores that since there's no way to click on them ...
[04:33] <dtchen> wgrant: which pa packages are you using, jaunty's or a ppa's? if the latter, which?
[04:36] <wgrant> dtchen: Plain Jaunty.
[04:36] <dtchen> wgrant: ok, that's known.
[04:36] <dtchen> wgrant: there's a race with the watermarking
[04:37] <dtchen> you can work around it either at the driver level or at the pa level
[04:37] <wgrant> dtchen: Aha.
[04:37] <wgrant> Which is better?
[04:37] <dtchen> wgrant: in any case, that's moot; the next upload has glitch-free re-disabled
[04:37] <dtchen> wgrant: driver-level is better
[04:38] <wgrant> dtchen: How do I do it?
[04:38] <dtchen> wgrant: see the position_fix module parameter for snd-hda-intel.ko
[04:40] <dtchen> (defaults to 0; you may need 2)
[04:40] <wgrant> dtchen: Thanks, I'll try that.
[04:41] <dtchen> (it should fall back to the equivalent of 1 [lpib] if io-mapped fails)
[04:42] <dtchen> also, presuming you're using a kernel newer than 2.6.27, you shouldn't need to adjust bdl_pos_adj to 32, but it is possible
[04:43] <dtchen> try powers-of-two for bdl_pos_adj
[04:43] <dtchen> `dmesg' *should* have some info
[04:44] <wgrant> [ 4460.554348] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj.
[04:45] <dtchen> yep
[04:45] <maco> why does the indicator applet just say "no indicators" all the time, even when pidgin is running and i'm receiving messages?
[04:45] <dtchen> try the next higher power-of-two (2^1 == 2)
[04:45] <maco> 4?
[04:46] <dtchen> no, the default value for Intel is 2^0 == 1
[04:46] <maco> oh
[04:52] <wgrant> dtchen: I've tried lots of combinations of position_fix and bdl_pos_adj, and thye do change things, but not to anything useful.
[04:56] <dtchen> wgrant: each with a fresh reload of snd-hda-intel, correct?
[04:56] <dtchen> wgrant: what's the highest val of bdl_pos_adj you've tried?
[04:56] <wgrant> dtchen: Correct.
[04:57] <wgrant> dtchen: 64
[04:57] <dtchen> wgrant: try only adjusting bdl_pos_adj to 4
[04:57] <dtchen> you'll need to try across a cold power-cycle
[04:58] <dtchen> echo options snd-hda-intel bdl_pos_adj=4|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[04:59] <wgrant> Why the power cycle?
[04:59] <dtchen> you need to reset the codec
[05:00] <dtchen> some codecs don't reset properly across rmmod & insmod
[05:00] <wgrant> Ah. Wonderful.
[05:00]  * wgrant tries.
[05:02] <DanaG> hmm, my chip gives the same sort of error -- and a "Too large adjustment 32"
[05:03] <dtchen> DanaG: sigmatel or realtek?
[05:03] <dtchen> it's known for some conexants
[05:03] <DanaG> ADI1988, actually.
[05:03] <DanaG> it's a model=laptop one.
[05:03] <DanaG> Also has funky mute behavior:
[05:03] <dtchen> yeah, you might want to see if you can reproduce it in 2.6.29-rc7 using the mainline deb from kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa
[05:04] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[05:04] <dtchen> or use a recent -driver-stable git snapshots
[05:04] <DanaG> I'm using that kernel already, actually -- it fixes my sdhc slot, my accelerometer, and a few other things I can't remember.
[05:06] <DanaG> Mute hotkey is a bit of a bummer, though.
[05:06] <DanaG> Though it IS nice that it's in hardware.
[05:10] <J-_> Is Jaunty affected with the 3d application crash bug with the GM965 chipset? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/mesa/+bug/120834
[05:11] <DanaG> argh, danged r600.
[05:12] <J-_> Hrm, I can haz no fix! X crashes in hardy. hrm.
[05:12] <J-_> I should try in Jaunty
[05:15] <DanaG> ugh, with nouveau, this old laptop around here FLICKERS quite madly.
[05:15] <fserve> will kubuntu use kde4?
[05:16] <fserve> 9.04
[05:17] <rww> fserve: Kubuntu 8.10 and 9.04 use kde4, yes.
[05:17] <fserve> woot nice
[05:17] <fserve> thank ya
[05:17] <wgrant> dtchen: That doesn't help much either...
[05:18] <dtchen> wgrant: ok, revert the alsa-base change, and try my PPA debs
[05:18] <DanaG> Is this the PA 0.9.15?
[05:19] <dtchen> DanaG: no, that's Luke's (themuso's)
[05:19] <DanaG> heh, my ADI1988 chip can record from two different capture sources at the same time, separately.
[05:28] <wgrant> dtchen: It dies :(
[05:28] <wgrant> E: module.c: Failed to open module "module-suspend-on-idle": file not found
[05:28] <wgrant> Even though strace shows it found and opened module-suspend-on-idle.so moments earlier.
[05:29] <dtchen> can you dump the strace -fF somewhere?
[05:31] <wgrant> dtchen: http://www.qeuni.net/f/1/2009/pulseaudio.strace
[05:34] <dtchen> gah
[05:36] <dtchen> wgrant: is this a normal jaunty install or a chroot?
[05:36] <wgrant> dtchen: Normal.
[05:36] <wgrant> Installed from alpha 4 Kubuntu media, but Kubuntu is now gone.
[05:38] <dtchen> wonder why it's poking SNDCTL_TMR_* on a bogus fd
[05:38] <dtchen> or rather, bogusly poking SNDCTL_TMR_* on that fd
[05:40] <dtchen> wgrant: try `killall pulseaudio ; mv ~/.pulse ~/.pulse.orig ; pulseaudio -vvv'
[05:40] <dtchen> (killall should fail, but it won't really matter)
[05:42] <wgrant> dtchen: No good, I'm afraid.
[05:42] <dtchen> ok, i think i know which section it's from
[05:43] <dtchen> let me see if i can reproduce it here
[05:50] <SwedeMike> hm, so I updated everything and rebooted 8 hours ago. Now I tried to play an mp3 with mplayer, the sound is choppy, wasn't a problem before. Thinkpad X200. Known problem that have arisen the last few days?
[05:50] <maxride> Be happy. My audio isn't working at all.
[06:11] <dtchen> maxride: using jaunty's pa or from a PPA?
[06:11] <dtchen> wgrant: hmm, i can't reproduce it in a current jaunty vbox vm (with my PPA) or on bare hardware
[06:23] <dtchen> wgrant: found the error, thanks
[06:23] <wgrant> dtchen: So it's not just me?
[06:23] <wgrant> (I'm currently purging and reinstalling PA just in case...)
[06:23] <dtchen> wgrant: no, it should be failing for everyone using ~ppa2, actually
[06:24] <wgrant> dtchen: But it just doesn't like failing in front of its master?
[06:25] <dtchen> wgrant: no, it did fail; i fell victim to GSt's fallback to alsasink
[06:25] <wgrant> dtchen: Aha.
[06:33] <maxride> >_>; Basically, I just did the upgrade and it stopped working. Nothings on mute and it worked before.  =/
[06:35] <dtchen> maxride: but you didn't mention whether you're using jaunty's (-0ubuntu10) or a PPA PulseAudio
[06:35] <DanaG> Worst feature ever: Flat Volumes.
[06:36] <dtchen> what, you don't like the Vista feature carry-over?
[06:36]  * dtchen chuckles
[06:36] <maxride> >_>; How would I check?  I know Pulse is installed...I don't know if it's being used.
[06:36] <DanaG> It means that moving an app to a different device.. changes the volume of the stream.
[06:36] <dtchen> maxride: dpkg -l pulseaudio|grep ^ii ; pgrep pulseaudio
[06:37] <maxride> ii  pulseaudio                                0.9.14-0ubuntu10                  PulseAudio sound server
[06:38] <dtchen> right, jaunty's
[06:39] <maxride> Yea, everything with it is basically default (We did check that nothing is muted, and I tried changing everything to "ALSA" under properties to no avail).
[06:46] <dtchen> maxride: please run the alsa-info.sh script
[06:50] <maxride> Ok.
[06:52] <maxride> ...Erm...
[06:52] <maxride> Can't find it.
[06:53] <maxride> maxride@maxride-laptop:~$ sudo find / -name alsa-info.sh
[06:53] <maxride> [sudo] password for maxride:
[06:53] <maxride> maxride@maxride-laptop:~$
[06:58] <wgrant> maxride: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[06:58] <wgrant> dtchen: Should I upgrade in 5 minutes once ~ppa3 is published?
[07:00] <DanaG> One gripe I have with my audio chip: the mute thing doesn't work as expected.
[07:01] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[07:01] <DanaG> Same is true of the 8530w.
[07:01] <DanaG> I really wish it would get a bit more attention... though it is pretty minor, after all.
[07:02] <maxride> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=ebb1e1669996695347760be9a4e1a06069f3d283
[07:02] <maxride> Heh, looking at that script just reminds me "Probably shouldn't run code that people post on IRC..."
[07:20] <dtchen> wgrant: yes, it loads correctly now
[07:20] <dtchen> wgrant: i'll look at the canberra stuff later for audio artifacts
[07:22] <dtchen> maxride: make sure the default sink isn't RTP
[07:22] <wgrant> dtchen: It still doesn't fix the crackling :(
[07:22] <dtchen> wgrant: right, hence the bit about canberra above
[07:23] <ziroday> anyone find after maxing out the volume a high whine is emmited from the speakers?
[07:23] <wgrant> dtchen: I wasn't aware that anything but event sounds went through canberra.
[07:23] <dtchen> wgrant: is the crackling *always* reproducible or only during login?
[07:24] <wgrant> dtchen: All audio.
[07:24] <maxride> dtchen:  I'm actually kind of a noob. So....a bit more explaination maybe required....
[07:24] <dtchen> wgrant: ok. can you check that 0ubuntu9 resolves it?  (well, it may work around the symptom)
[07:25] <dtchen> i've made only a few delay changes since 0ubuntu9
[07:25] <dtchen> i'm off to catch a train, but i'll be back in 90 minutes
[07:29] <DanaG> heh, 92hd75b2x5 is a pretty hideous name.
[07:29] <DanaG> What happened to simple names like STAC9250?
[07:57] <zniavre> hello
[07:57] <zniavre> open office seems to be broken is it right ?
[08:06] <CosmiChaos> cannot format or save anything to any floppy butnautilus and my floppy-drive claim that they wrote stuff (noises, file-operations). after every remount the changes ar elost, any idea?
[08:08] <CosmiChaos> 96666666666666666666666666666666666666666
[08:25] <CosmiChaos> dass das diskettenlaufwerk keinen hardwaredefekt hat
[08:25] <Hobbsee> ?
[08:41] <fargiolas> did anything changed since yesterday in /dev/video* permissions?
[08:42] <fargiolas> I can no more access the webcam device as a simple user
[08:47] <phytopius> someone any idea when the new amd graphics driver will be released?
[08:55] <aboSamoor> usplash is not working at all. It was partially working in 8.10 before the upgrade and I tried to make any work around, How can I get a fresh install for the usplash ?
[09:07] <doktorlinuxdell> ciao
[09:08] <doktorlinuxdell> supporto in italiano
[09:08] <Hobbsee> !it
[09:09] <blip-> jaunty
[09:09] <blip-> ! jaunty
[09:16] <linux_ubuntu> anyone here testing kubuntu jaunty?
[09:17] <dtchen> yes
[09:17] <linux_ubuntu> hello dtchen!
[09:22] <aboSamoor> purging and then installing usplash does not work, any idea how to fix usplash ?
[09:25] <dtchen> what do you mean by usplash not working?
[09:25] <dtchen> also, your mic issues are very probably *not* related to pulse
[09:25] <dtchen> there are a slew of internal {d,}mic regressions in alsa-kernel 1.0.1[89]
[09:32] <aboSamoor> dtchen: I have wrong resolution for usplash and white black colors for ubuntu logo and it does complete loading
[09:32] <aboSamoor> dtchen: you told me that my mic regression is not related to pulseaudio
[09:33] <aboSamoor> dtchen: what do you suggest to solve the mic regression ? yesterday I used the recording with the internal mic, but it is not working with Skype ?
[09:34] <wgrant> dtchen: I'm afraid that 0ubuntu9 doesn't help...
[09:35] <dtchen> wgrant: ok
[09:36] <fargiolas> anyone has an issue with brightness settings? it seems that jaunty always sets it to the maximum level when booting and even when GNOME starts
[09:39]  * aboSamoor restarting to test http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-76309.html
[09:43]  * aboSamoor usplash is not working :(
[10:06] <groensal> daftykins: he has a intel motherboard
[10:28] <mjc1> have the issues with i9xx been worked out yet out of curiousity?
[10:29] <daftykins> what issues are those?
[10:31] <mjc1> failed to bind back buffer
[10:31] <mjc1> X doesn't start
[10:31] <mjc1> release notes for a5 said no
[10:31] <mjc1> so I guess not
[10:46] <mjc1> daftykins: sorry it's i8xx
[10:46] <mjc1> wishful thinking that this was a newer box. haha.
[10:46] <daftykins> :)
[10:47] <daftykins> lucky i didn't run intel back then then :D
[10:47] <daftykins> AMD all the way 'til now with a core 2 quad x38 based mobo
[10:47] <mjc1> this is a centrino laptop heh
[10:48] <mjc1> my next desktop will be the core i7-based xeon mac pro whenever it shows up
[10:49] <mjc1> kinda hoping for more cores as I already push the 8 I've got to the max most of the work day
[10:50] <mjc1> and it's way too expensive to build a xeon box with that many cores without going to apple.  the dell equivalent to my mac pro was nearly $8k compared to $3k... same mobo, same RAM, same CPUs
[10:51] <mjc1> I wonder if dell even has core i7-ish xeons listed yet
[10:51]  * mjc1 checks
[10:55] <mjc1> yeah, similar machines to what I envision I want but $6kish
[11:38] <m0RrE> i've been trying to install jaunty.. i have 2x500gb sata disks in raid0. the alternate cd finds the disk, but can't see any of the existing partitions. i tried to update with update-manager -d a couple of days ago.. it updated correctly, but i couldn't get my 930gb ext3 partition to work.. reistalled intrepid and everything was ok.. any ides how to proceed?
[11:39] <m0RrE> i'm using the integrated raid-controller on my motherboard. Asus P6T Deluxe
[11:39] <m0RrE> 00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation 82801 SATA RAID Controller
[11:57] <cwillu> heh
[11:57] <cwillu> I _thought_ reboots seemed to be suspiciously quick
[11:57] <cwillu> are we using kexec now?
[12:14] <cwillu> or is it just something broken? :p
[12:14] <cwillu> looks like I'm on the right kernel
[12:15] <cwillu> I'm seeing on reboot:  normal usplash shutdown, screen blinks black for a maybe a couple tenths of a second, and then normal looking usplash bootup
[12:15] <cwillu> no grub
[12:15] <cwillu> no bios
[12:15] <cwillu> suspend/hibernate work fine
[12:15] <cwillu> shutdown works fine
[12:15] <cwillu> reboot is blazingly fast
[12:16] <cwillu> !fakeraid | m0RrE
[12:17] <m0RrE> hmh
[12:17] <cwillu> specifically, your motherboard raid almost certainly isn't a true raid
[12:18] <cwillu> if you don't have a need to maintain a raid across distinct os types (win, bsd vs linux), using the linux raid is probably a better option
[12:22] <m0RrE> hmm
[12:28] <Klanticus> anyone having trouble updating the package libantlr-java-gcj?
[12:57] <stephank> Hello! I'm a bit concerned about the Mono package in Jaunty. The 2.0.1 package has been incredibely buggy in my experience, bugs that I don't see in an OpenSuse 11 VM with 2.2 and 2.4 alphas. With the Mono 2.4 release just around the corner, but Ubuntu apparently in feature freeze (?), will we still see Mono 2.4 in Jaunty?
[13:00] <Klanticus> looks like something is broken with the package libantlr-java-gcj. Where should I report this?
[13:01] <Hobbsee> launchpad
[13:01] <Hobbsee> !bug
[13:06] <s0u][ight> !libmagick10
[13:08] <s0u][ight> is that package still broken?
[13:08] <Hobbsee> !info libmagick10
[13:08] <Hobbsee> define broken?
[13:09] <s0u][ight> i want to install libmagick6-java but that is depended on libmagick10 (not there in the repos
[13:09] <Hobbsee> !info libmagick6-java jaunty
[13:09]  * Hobbsee shrugs.  Not an ubuntu package.
[13:10] <Hobbsee> consult those who made the package
[13:10] <s0u][ight> where can i find them?
[13:10] <Hobbsee> Klanticus: it would be infinitely helpful if you actually said what the errors were, rather than just saying "it's broken", btw.
[13:10] <Hobbsee> s0u][ight: i've no idea.  I've no idea where you found libmagick6-java from.
[13:10] <Klanticus> Hobbsee: yeah, I know... already filled the bug report
[13:11] <Hobbsee> Klanticus: (bug number?)
[13:11] <s0u][ight> Hobbsee, i want to use mercury instant messenger with webcam support
[13:11] <Klanticus> Hobbsee: Bug #339154
[13:11] <s0u][ight> and libjmutil.so is needed for that
[13:11] <s0u][ight> apt-cache showed me those packages and i tryed to install it
[13:13] <Hobbsee> apt-cache show will also show which repository you got it from, and you can ask them about it?
[13:13] <Hobbsee> Klanticus: hrm.  That tells me nothing, but i'm no java expert.
[13:18] <Klanticus> Hobbsee: nor me.. xP
[13:57] <unixdawg> ok whats up with sea-money and firefox
[13:58] <unixdawg> my system is working fine other then them locking up
[14:17] <idorock89>  is anyone here runnning the latest version of empathy i think 2.25.92 on jaunty? does the notifications work properly?
[14:41] <vbgunz> some of the latest updates to Jaunty killed my vaforite widget.... "show desktop" ... anybody miss that?
[15:05] <TRM> why there's no xchat in apt-get ?
[15:05] <TRM> only xchat-gnome
[15:05] <TRM> I don't like it :p
[15:05] <fosco_> sudo apt-get install xchat
[15:05] <fosco_> it is there
[15:05] <TRM> E: Couldn't find package xchat
[15:05] <thedonvaughn> TRM: aptitude search xchat, i see it
[15:05] <TRM> maybe because I'm on live cd
[15:05] <thedonvaughn> yah
[15:06] <magcius> It may be x-chat in Jaunty.
[15:06] <TRM> it's in aptitude
[15:06] <TRM> but on live CD it's a lot faster now :D
[15:07] <magcius> Then get your hard drive checked.
[15:11] <danbhfive> !daily
[15:12] <geser> xchat is in universe
[15:12] <geser> which xchat-gnome is in main
[15:33] <BUGabundo> hi everyone
[15:33] <BUGabundo> calm around here today
[15:33] <BUGabundo> had a question
[15:34] <daftykins> they're just all frantically trying to get X working, refusing to install irssi
[15:34] <BUGabundo> but forgot what it was
[15:34] <daftykins> ;)
[15:34] <BUGabundo> new X?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> my is working fine
[15:34] <daftykins> just a joke.
[15:34] <BUGabundo> just no sound (yet, dtchen wink)
[15:34] <BUGabundo> and no #gwibber
[15:34] <BUGabundo> python-webkit still no build
[15:37] <geser> it's build and wait's now to get accepted
[15:38] <XiXaQ> how do I change window decorations in kubuntu+1?
[15:38] <crdlb> what happens if you try the way you did it in kde 4.1?
[15:39] <XiXaQ> I didn't do it in kde 4.1
[15:39] <XiXaQ> I haven't used kde in many, many years.
[15:39] <crdlb> presumably there's a giant settings manager which a 'Themes' or 'Appearance' or 'Look and Feel' section
[15:40] <XiXaQ> and the people in #kubuntu refuse to answer how it's done in 4.1 because I mentioned that I was using jaunty..
[15:40] <crdlb> is it different between 4.1 and 4.2? seems unlikely
[15:40] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:40] <XiXaQ> yes, I've installed a theme and changed to it, but it seems like only the taskbar and menu is updated, not windows, etc.
[15:40] <BUGabundo> but jaunty has 4.2.1
[15:40] <BUGabundo> and the kmail delete bug still isn't fix, unlike the bug report mentions
[15:40]  * BUGabundo goes reopen it
[15:41] <crdlb> XiXaQ: oh, you did say window decorations, didn't you ...
[15:41] <XiXaQ> yes.
[15:41] <crdlb> are you using compiz?
[15:41] <XiXaQ> think so.
[15:42] <BUGabundo> or kwin?
[15:43] <XiXaQ> uh.. I.. Use the default in jaunty.
[15:44] <crdlb> check your process list for kwin, compiz, and kde4-window-decorator
[15:44] <crdlb> if you see compiz (well, compiz.real really) then you need kde4-window-decorator
[15:44] <daftykins> would he not have to be running KDE to be running kwin?
[15:45] <XiXaQ> at least I find kwin
[15:46] <XiXaQ> daftykins: I am running kde. Kubuntu jaunty a5.
[15:46] <daftykins> ah sorry my bad
[15:48] <XiXaQ> crdlb: I don't find compiz there. What do I need then? Should it be necessary to install something just to be able to change a theme?
[15:49] <crdlb> sounds like something is broken
[15:50] <crdlb> unless window decorations are in a separate area, which is also unlikely
[16:01] <BUGabundo> how can I hack bootchart so that it count the session load time into my login, and doesn't stop at GDM?
[16:10] <lastelement0> hey all i'm currently running jaunty and trying to install libdvdcss however when i do i get the error that there is no installation candidate. what should i do
[16:11] <bazhang> from medibuntu?
[16:11] <lastelement0> should be
[16:11] <lastelement0> i just added the sources
[16:11] <bazhang> did you go to the site and dl the package?
[16:11] <bazhang> libdvdcss2 btw
[16:12] <lastelement0> i was using sudo apt-get install libdvdcss libdvdcss2
[16:12] <bazhang> try the latter only
[16:12] <lastelement0> hmm same thing.
[16:12] <bazhang> odd
[16:12] <bazhang> what about getting the .deb
[16:13] <lastelement0> could you point me in that direction?
[16:13] <bazhang> medibuntu.org
[16:14] <bazhang> though whether it is wise to use an earlier version with an alpha 5 is another issue :)
[16:15] <lastelement0> hmm readded the source and not it works
[16:15] <lastelement0> **now
[16:15] <lastelement0> just can't get libdvdcss
[16:15] <lastelement0> does libdvdcss2 cover that?
[16:16] <bazhang> yep
[16:16] <bazhang> although this is alpha 5 and breakage will occur :)
[16:16] <lastelement0> yeah i wouldnt be surprised
[16:17] <bazhang> guaranteed nearly :)
[16:17] <lastelement0> what was weird was i did an upgrade from 8.10 and it broke my graphics
[16:17] <lastelement0> well not that bad
[16:17] <BUGabundo> lastelement0: the MAIN mediaubuntu repo is down or outdated
[16:17] <lastelement0> but couldnt use compiz
[16:17] <BUGabundo> use a mirror
[16:17] <BUGabundo> like fr.med... or de.med....
[16:17] <bazhang> I dont usually try until beta at least
[16:18] <lastelement0> and then i do a fresh install and everything works
[16:18] <lastelement0> BUGabundo, it worked for me...
[16:18] <BUGabundo> lastelement0: me too... until I realized it was outdate
[16:18] <BUGabundo> I have bug on that on LP
[16:18] <BUGabundo> talked to the guys on #medibuntu and they confirmed it
[16:19] <lastelement0> well what i needed to work is working so fine by me lol
[16:36] <magcius> Can someone help me build python-libtorrent for Python 2.5?
[16:36] <magcius> err.. 2.6
[16:36] <crdlb> you need deluge that badly? :)
[16:36] <magcius> crdlb, yes.
[16:36] <crdlb> there's always rtorrent :P
[16:36] <magcius> crdlb, I have an upload quota to maintain.
[16:36] <SwedeMike> mmm, rtorrent. Only thing missing is ipv6 support.
[16:36] <BUGabundo> or tranmission
[16:37] <BUGabundo> you can resume from there
[16:37] <magcius> Deluge > Transmission
[16:37] <BUGabundo> until it builds
[16:37] <crdlb> rtorrent > deluge
[16:38] <crdlb> would be cool if there were a fancy webui for it, but you can just drop torrents in an sftp nautilus mount for remote downloading
[16:38] <daftykins> that's cool
[16:39] <daftykins> i'd try a torrent client but my file server runs them anyway, and that's still windows based
[16:39] <magcius> I should try out rtorrent.
[16:39] <magcius> crdlb, I presume you use irssi?
[16:39] <crdlb> was it that obvious?
[16:40] <magcius> crdlb, I don'
[16:40] <magcius> crdlb, I don't understand it. There's no documentation.
[16:40]  * BUGabundo uses pidgin
[16:40] <magcius> I use Pidgin, but not for IRC.
[16:40] <magcius> Pidgin for IRC is awful.
[16:40] <BUGabundo> why?
[16:40] <BUGabundo> does all I need
[16:40] <crdlb> well, you can just start it with a filename in an emergency
[16:40] <daftykins> i use emesene
[16:41] <SwedeMike> irssi+rtorrent+alpine+screen. Communication done.
[16:41] <magcius> Alpine?
[16:41] <SwedeMike> (al)pine
[16:41] <BUGabundo> magcius: why pidgin is awful?
[16:41] <magcius> BUGabundo, for IRC it is.
[16:41] <crdlb> heh, you've gone one step further than me
[16:42] <BUGabundo> magcius: why pidgin is awful?
[16:42] <crdlb> it's just lacking
[16:42] <SwedeMike> pine has awful license, alpine changed for the better
[16:42] <BUGabundo> magcius: why?????? its all I'm asking
[16:42] <magcius> BUGabundo, because I have freedom to control my opinions.
[16:42] <crdlb> it doesn't support hardly any irc commands
[16:42] <crdlb> but if it works, it works
[16:42] <BUGabundo> no?
[16:42] <crdlb> at least it's not chatzilla :)
[16:43] <BUGabundo> I don't know any other IM client
[16:43] <magcius> BUGabundo, I don't have the right to control my opinions? That's news to me.
[16:43] <magcius> BUGabundo, IM or IRC? Big difference.
[16:43] <BUGabundo> that allows me to change to the last IM window
[16:43] <BUGabundo> as fast as Pidgin
[16:43] <BUGabundo> for me IRC is just another tab
[16:43] <SwedeMike> you can do all your IM/IRC needs in irssi
[16:43] <magcius> bitlbee?
[16:43] <SwedeMike> quite.
[16:43] <BUGabundo> ctrl+tab and I'm on the last reply to me tab
[16:44] <magcius> I used to use ERC + bitlbee, but now I'm back to X-Chat and Pidgin.
[16:44] <daftykins> does computing really need to be that lazy? ^_^
[16:44] <SwedeMike> BUGabundo: I do that in irssi as well, but I do it in screen so I can access it from any of the 4 computers I usually frequent.
[16:44] <magcius> But crdlb it should be considered a bug if a package that's in the repositories is broken.
[16:44] <crdlb> yes, it is a bug
[16:45] <BUGabundo> daftykins: of course it needs
[16:45] <magcius> crdlb, where do I file it? lp:jaunty?
[16:45] <daftykins> nah
[16:46] <crdlb> bug 338548
[16:47] <magcius> Deluge isn't 2.5-based. It works on 2.6, it's just that libtorrent isn't built.
[16:57] <Turl> hi
[16:58] <Turl> I'm having problems shutting down my laptop
[16:58] <Turl> when I click shutdown everything is stopped and unloaded, but I'm left with a blinking dash
[16:59] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:59] <BUGabundo> I get that a few times
[16:59] <BUGabundo> it takes way too long
[17:00] <Turl> oh, so it's shutting down? I thought it got stuck and always REISUO'd
[17:03] <BUGabundo> I just powr off
[17:03] <BUGabundo> I think it's a network thing...
[17:03] <daftykins> i'm still waiting for intrepid to have working cifs/smb to avoid that annoying delayed shutdown/restart bug =/
[17:03] <BUGabundo> it only happens when I was online
[17:05] <Turl> BUGabundo: if you're using ext4, you can get data loss if you power off :p
[17:05] <BUGabundo> Turl: I readthe email an LP report
[17:06] <BUGabundo> still on etx3 + xfs
[17:06] <Turl> anyway, that isn't ext4's fault
[17:08] <magcius> It's smb!
[17:10]  * magcius wonders if notify-osd is really going to be kept in a useless state.
[17:10] <Turl> magcius: works quite fine here
[17:11] <magcius> Turl, we had this discussion yesterday. It's pretty useless.
[17:11] <magcius> Turl, notify-osd doesn't allow actions on notifications, saying an alert box should be used instead (wtf?), has no log for viewing later, it's one size for every notification, and truncates any text longer than will fit. (How is that in any way useful?), resizes images to a miniscule 20x20 size, only allows one notification at a time, and doesn't allow attaching to GTK+ components.
[17:12] <Turl> log? why would anyone want a log? :p
[17:12] <BUGabundo> I miss the click to open pidgin contacts
[17:12] <BUGabundo> or gwibber replies!!!!!
[17:12] <BUGabundo> that's all
[17:13] <Turl> I don't like the apps that open a popup in half my screen now, that's the main problem
[17:19] <BUGabundo1>  3991      0      0       1797K   1.0G 833.4M     0K     0K  21% Xorg
[17:20] <BUGabundo1> is this a mem leak?
[17:20] <Turl> BUGabundo1: Intel card?
[17:20] <BUGabundo1> nvidia
[17:20] <BUGabundo1> with HUGE disk IO
[17:21] <Turl> might be then
[17:21] <Turl> copy Xorg.0.log, just in case
[17:21] <Turl> and dmesg
[17:22] <BUGabundo1> nothing obvious on dmesg
[17:33] <unixdawg> whats up with this shit
[17:33] <unixdawg> mozilla keeps crashing
[17:34] <Twigathy> It's called an Al-pha >_>
[17:34] <Twigathy> report bug, ???, bug fixed, :D
[17:34] <Turl> unixdawg: report it, no crashes in here
[17:35] <BUGabundo1> unixdawg: care with TONGUE...
[17:37] <Alexia_Death> Somebody else was also complaining about firefox crashes.
[17:37] <Alexia_Death> earlyer
[17:37] <unixdawg> firefox and sea-monkey
[17:38] <unixdawg> both keep crashing and then you try to open a new one and the sysem reboots
[17:38] <Alexia_Death> Ive had firefox not exit right for a few times but thats ot.
[17:38] <Turl> unixdawg: are you on ubuntu? :p
[17:38] <unixdawg> I have tested the mem and the cpu and other hardware it all test clean
[17:38] <unixdawg> yes
[17:38] <Alexia_Death> System reboot?
[17:38] <unixdawg> jaunty
[17:38] <Alexia_Death> that is hard to blive.
[17:39] <Turl> yeah, that's very odd, I'd suppouse you have broken ram/cpu
[17:39] <unixdawg> yes you try to open a new webbrowser once mozilla crashes and then it causes the system to reboot
[17:39] <Alexia_Death> CPU thats not cooled right perhaos?
[17:39] <unixdawg> nope I have swapped out the meme and have a mem tester in the lap at work and the mem test clean
[17:40] <unixdawg> its jell cooled
[17:40] <unixdawg> and no I am not overclocking
[17:40] <Alexia_Death> still
[17:40] <Alexia_Death> it nees bios to reboot
[17:40] <unixdawg> I use jell on all my core 2 duo
[17:40] <unixdawg> all the hard ware has been put threw the test
[17:41] <unixdawg> < been doing hardware for 20 + years
[17:41] <Alexia_Death> nothing in linux system just reboots....
[17:41] <Alexia_Death> In my experience
[17:41] <Alexia_Death> Even kernel panic.
[17:41] <unixdawg> well my bsd drive I have in the same system does not crash
[17:42] <DanaG> Happen to have a serial port and a serial console cable?
[17:42] <unixdawg> I have had it up running kde4 and mozilla and not had a crash but jaunty in the last 4 major updates mozilla has caused issues
[17:42] <unixdawg> yes
[17:43] <unixdawg> its connected to a serial terminal and the ouput of tty0 is shared with the serial port
[17:43] <Flimm> I installed Jaunty in a Virtualbox, and installed the guest additions. Now I get an X error: "Failed to load module "vboxvideo". Any idea how I can remove the guest additions?
[17:43] <DanaG> you may be able to get a stacktrace or such.
[17:43] <DanaG> console=ttyS0, of course.
[17:43] <daftykins> Flimm, you may find a removal script in /usr/bin
[17:44] <BUGabundo1> I had FF 3.1 crash on me too once today
[17:44] <DanaG> That's about the most useful thing I can think of.  And boot without 'quiet', of course.
[17:44] <Alexia_Death> hmmm...
[17:44] <Alexia_Death> FF crashed once on me too... but no reboot.
[17:44] <Turl> BUGabundo1: doesn't jaunty have firefox 3.0
[17:44] <Turl> ?
[17:45] <Alexia_Death> anyway reboot is somehow related to hardware, in this case most likley networking hardware. bad drver or the like.
[17:45] <BUGabundo1> Turl: it has both
[17:45] <Alexia_Death> unixdawg: try booting previous kernel?
[17:45] <unixdawg> I have swapped out the network card
[17:45] <DanaG> Speaking of networking hardware... I have a USB network adapter around here that has the MAC address 30:01:00:00:00:00.
[17:45] <DanaG> =P
[17:46] <BUGabundo1> but I'm using daily ppa a d ave all up to 3.2
[17:46] <Turl> BUGabundo1: yeah, but "firefox" is 3.0 iirc
[17:46] <BUGabundo1> $firefox-3.1
[17:46] <daftykins> i'm pretty sure no networking hardware has been assigned above 20:..... yet, so that could be damaged / made wrong
[17:47] <daftykins> i recently got an RMA'd motherboard for a guy i work for, his file server - the MAC came up as FA:FE:FF:FF:FF:FF
[17:47] <unixdawg> 3.0.7 is what I have
[17:47] <daftykins> had to change it to something sensible for Windows to work on it
[17:47] <DanaG> When in Windows, or using ndiswrapper, it gets a valid address.
[17:47] <DanaG> It's just not valid in the firmware.  =P
[17:47] <DanaG> It's a "Pegasus" chip.
[17:48] <Flimm> Thanks daftykins, looking for it now
[17:48] <daftykins> np
[17:51] <Flimm> No luck, daftykins, didn't find one
[17:51] <daftykins> ah ok :( just i have an uninstall.pl for vmware server which i installed today
[17:51] <daftykins> perhaps there's a readme on the Linux vmware tools CD that it installs from?
[17:52] <unixdawg> back
[17:52] <Flimm> No, just .run files
[17:52] <unixdawg> all I did was open firefox and give the version
[17:52] <unixdawg> then it crashes my system
[17:52] <unixdawg> this is cr*p
[17:53] <Turl> unixdawg: give the version? what's that?
[17:53] <unixdawg> 3.0.7
[17:54] <Turl> try running mv ~/.moxilla/firefox/ ~/.mozilla/firefox-bak/
[17:54] <Turl> and then launching firefox
[17:55] <Turl> unixdawg: ^
[17:55] <unixdawg> well it looks like firefox is not shutting down when its closed
[17:55] <unixdawg> unixdawg@unixdawg-desktop:~$ firefox
[17:55] <unixdawg> ^C
[17:55] <unixdawg> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[17:55] <unixdawg> firefox is coredumping
[17:56] <Turl> unixdawg: try sudo killall firefox, then mv and then relaunch
[17:56] <BUGabundo1> unix
[17:56] <BUGabundo1> calm down
[17:56] <BUGabundo1> vgo to #ubuntu-mozilateam
[17:56] <BUGabundo1> and talk to fta or asac
[17:56] <BUGabundo1> if they are around
[17:57] <unixdawg> the channel is empty
[17:58] <BUGabundo1> I'm there
[17:58] <BUGabundo1> typo?
[17:58] <Turl> unixdawg: /j #ubuntu-mozillateam
[17:59] <Turl> just accessed and it works fine :p
[17:59] <BUGabundo1> lost on 'l' #ubuntu-mozillateam
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[17:59] <unixdawg> missing a l
[18:00] <BUGabundo1> lost on 'l' #ubuntu-mozillateam
[18:00] <BUGabundo1> I'm toooooo lagged to fix my own typos
[18:00] <unixdawg> lol
[18:01] <Infecto> some one update nvidia to .37?
[18:01] <Infecto> any tool to do this or obly by hand?
[18:01] <crdlb> is that a fix for the ^C bug?
[18:01] <Turl> Infecto: tried envy-ng?
[18:02] <BUGabundo1> Turl: envy is dead
[18:02] <BUGabundo1> its incorporated into jokey
[18:02] <BUGabundo1> stop mentioning it
[18:02] <Turl> cool, I still recommended it to friends :p
[18:02] <crdlb> jockey can do what envy did? O_o
[18:02] <Turl> now I know I shouldn't have
[18:03] <Infecto> Turl: ok, i will try this, now i have problem with installing envy
[18:04] <Infecto> need python 2.6 which one is not in repo :)
[18:04] <crdlb> ?
[18:05] <Infecto> The following packages have unmet dependencies: envyng-core: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installe
[18:05] <BUGabundo1> Infecto: wait for it to build!
[18:05] <BUGabundo1> crdlb:  what do you miss?
[18:06] <Infecto> BUGabundo1: ok ok, eazy man :)
[18:06] <crdlb> he misread the '< 2.6'
[18:06] <J-_> 3Dd apps are working in Jaunty with my chipset. <333 Hardy and my GM965 didn't work so well with 3D apps. Says the bug is fixed in hardy *shrug*
[18:07]  * BUGabundo1 is hungry and grumpy at phone company
[18:08]  * crdlb would be grumpy at his phone company if anything happened to his 20/5 service
[18:09]  * BUGabundo1 top - 18:09:26 up  8:52,  5 users,  load average: 13.60, 14.13, 14.35
[18:10] <BUGabundo1> crdlb: my mobile SIM card died 3 days ago, and they won't give me a new one!
[18:11] <BUGabundo1> I bet any of you doesnt reach this kind of IO load
[18:12] <BUGabundo1> 2x 10+ GiBs disk (usb) to disk
[18:12] <Alexia_Death> firefox just crashed on me while closing a tab
[18:12]  * J-_ pleased with the performance difference from Hardy to Jaunty.
[18:12] <crdlb> Alexia_Death: did that tab contain flash?
[18:12] <Alexia_Death> crdlb: not that tab, but one behind it did.
[18:13] <Alexia_Death> and the session was lost in the crash.
[18:13]  * BUGabundo1 loves tabmix plus session restore!
[18:13] <crdlb> ouch, that's never happened to me with epiphany
[18:14] <J-_> Still not getting as much FPS in composition in Jaunty with glxgears as I did with Hardy. :S
[18:14] <crdlb> and what are you using to measure that?
[18:18] <DanaG> !btrfs
[18:18] <Turl> J-_: intel card?
[18:18] <crdlb> yes
[18:18] <Turl> BUGabundo1: tab mix plus vs firefox built-in restore?
[18:18] <BUGabundo1> bah!
[18:19] <BUGabundo1> ĩ love to have 8 month old sessions!
[18:19] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[18:19] <Turl> LOL
[18:19] <DanaG> My biggest gripe with Radeon: no power management on r600.
[18:19]  * BUGabundo1 warns: we are going OT, and ikonia may be around! don't want to be kicked again
[18:19] <crdlb> DanaG: you should make a macro for saying that ...
[18:19] <DanaG> yup.
[18:19]  * bruce89 reminds people of #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:20] <DanaG> Oh yeah, does Linux have anything like the ability to back up snapshots, as Sun's ZFS does?
[18:20] <J-_> Turl: Yeah, Intel GM965.
[18:21] <Turl> J-_: known issue, being worked on afaik
[18:21] <cwillu> DanaG, lvm can do that, although it's not as sophisticated/well-integrated-into-the-filesystem as zfs
[18:21] <Turl> (same here, only 800FPS)
[18:21] <J-_> It was a lot worse in Intrepid :)
[18:21] <J-_> I think anyway
[18:21] <DanaG> argh, damned fsck.vfat:  "File size is 1744896 bytes, cluster chain length is > 1744896 bytes.
[18:21] <DanaG>   Truncating file to 1744896 bytes."
[18:21] <Turl> J-_: I didn't have that problems in intrepid :p
[18:22] <DanaG> If the file is longer... then MARK IT LONGER!
[18:22] <DanaG> Don't truncate... that's destructive!
[18:22] <J-_> Hardy was bliss for me, I had to skip Intrepid all together.
[18:22] <DanaG> I'd rather have the end of the file be perhaps corrupt, than have it GONE.
[18:22] <Turl> DanaG: I think truncating is best, there might be other files in that space
[18:23] <J-_> Someone's mad. D:
[18:23] <Turl> so if marked longer, might clash
[18:24] <Turl> J-_: you might try with the xorg-edgers ppa, but you're warned, it might break your X
[18:24] <Turl> J-_: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[18:24] <cwillu> J-_, what's the problem?
[18:25] <Turl> cwillu: slow 3D performance on intel cards
[18:25] <crdlb> public service announcement: glxgears is not a benchmark
[18:25] <Turl> known issue
[18:25] <J-_> Turl: I'm not doing that. Jaunty is extreme to me as it is. :D
[18:25] <Turl> hehe
[18:26] <Turl> I used it and graphics were a bit odd, but then reinstalled jaunty ones and no problem
[18:26] <Turl> but, if jaunty is extreme to you, then you'd better not try :p
[18:26] <J-_> crdlb: The description says it's a benchmark.
[18:26]  * crdlb wants glxgears -iacknowledgetthatthistoolisnotabenchmark back
[18:26] <J-_> No, I won't.
[18:26] <crdlb> then the description is wrong
[18:26] <J-_> man glxgears ;)
[18:27] <cwillu> J-_, 64bit?
[18:27] <crdlb> measure performance in a real _USE_ of 3d, not in glxgears
[18:27] <J-_> cwillu: 32bit
[18:27] <crdlb> eg a game, compiz (though compiz is not a good general measure of 3d since the real bottleneck is texture_from_pixmap)
[18:27] <cwillu> J-_, can you send me a pastebin of /var/log/Xorg.log.0?
[18:27] <J-_> cwillu: Sure, hold on
[18:28] <Turl> crdlb: if you use glxgears on the same pc, same card, different distro version, I think it's a good benchmark
[18:28] <crdlb> no it's not
[18:28] <crdlb> internals of mesa, X, intel_drv could change and have no affect on real usage (or even a positive one)
[18:28] <crdlb> J-_: man glxgears was written by debian
[18:29] <J-_> cwillu: I take it you mean, /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[18:29] <Turl> odd, firefox was running normally, responsive, but using 2Ghz :p
[18:29] <cwillu> yes
[18:29] <J-_> k
[18:29] <cwillu> "It has become quite popular as basic benchmarking tool."
[18:29] <cwillu> That is quite correct, it _has_ become quite popular as a basic benchmarking tool :p
[18:30] <Turl> cwillu: is it normal than glxinfo says 'caveat' is none/slow everywhere? :p
[18:31] <J-_> cwillu: http://pastebin.ca/1355353
[18:32] <Turl> cwillu: mine has "exaCopyDirty: Pending damage region empty!" at the end too, if any help (I have a Mobile Intel Series 4 card)
[18:36] <cwillu> J-_, pastebin glxinfo
[18:37] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f6ee883fc
[18:38] <cwillu> BUGabundo, is your name J-_? :p
[18:38] <cwillu> nvidia glxinfo's are quite useless for intel bugs :p
[18:38] <Turl> cwillu: http://pastebin.com/m5b4500dcç
[18:38] <Turl> http://pastebin.com/m5b4500dc *
[18:39] <J-_> cwillu: http://pastebin.ca/1355356
[18:39] <Turl> also an intel card
[18:40] <Turl> J-_: you seem to be running on Mesa Rasterizer :O
[18:40] <J-_> What's that mean?
[18:40] <cwillu> J-_, _if_ what you're seeing is related to a current bug with a screwup in the gem code for certain intel cards, then you can work around the issue by installing and running the -server kernel instead of -generic.   -server has pae enabled, which isn't compatible with gem, which is then disabled in favour of the legacy memory manager, which doesn't have the bug
[18:41] <crdlb> J-_: that you have zero 3d acceleration~
[18:41] <Turl> that it uses the cpu for 3d if I'm right
[18:43] <cwillu> J-_, you have libdrm-intel1 installed
[18:43] <cwillu> ?
[18:43] <J-_> cwillu: yes
[18:45] <Twigathy> Speaking of kernels... if I upgrade to ubuntu+1 from ubuntu but don't change my kernel, will it get super-angry or can I run on the older ubuntu kernel?
[18:45] <crdlb> I wouldn't running like that, but it'll work in a pinch
[18:46] <cwillu> do you have libgl1-mesa-drm and -glx installed?
[18:47] <cwillu> (you should be able to uninstall -swx11 to unambiguously disable software rendering)
[18:47] <J-_> cwillu: Do you mean, libgl1-mesa-dri?
[18:48] <J-_> -glx and -dri are installed.
[18:48] <cwillu> yes, sorry
[18:48] <J-_> -swx11 isn't installed.
[18:50] <J-_> What a crappy craptop. #3333114324 reason why I won't buy another Lenovo Thinkpad.
[18:50] <J-_> (no 3d acceleration)
[18:50] <crdlb> you won't buy another thinkpad because the intel driver is broken in an ubuntu alpha?
[18:50] <cwillu> o_0
[18:50] <Infecto> hmm, i update manualy nvidia driver to 180.37 and and :)
[18:51] <Infecto> it wont work :)
[18:52] <J-_> crdlb: Oh, it's the broken driver? I thought you ment that the chipset has no 3d acceleration, and turl said it uses the CPU for 3d acceleration.
[18:52] <crdlb> lol
[18:52] <J-_> bleh, I don't know
[18:53] <J-_> Maybe you're just yanking my chain, but whatever
[18:53] <cwillu> J-_, you're currently _using_ a software opengl renderer, has nothing to do with the actual capabilities of the card
[18:54] <J-_> ah
[18:55] <Infecto> hmm
[18:55] <Infecto> i have driver installed but gnome dont want to use it hmm
[18:56] <cwillu> gnome has nothing to do with picking drivers
[18:56] <cwillu> you didn't install a driver from nvidia's website did you?
[18:56] <Infecto> cwillu: no i dod not
[18:57] <Infecto> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.37/
[18:57]  * J-_ facepalms
[18:58] <cwillu> Infecto, so... you downloaded a driver from nvidia's website
[18:58] <Infecto> hmm
[18:59] <cwillu> !info nvidia-glx
[18:59] <crdlb> -_-
[18:59] <Infecto> i need to set in xorg proper driver
[18:59] <Infecto> now it works
[18:59] <cwillu> !info nvidia-glx-180
[18:59] <crdlb> jaunty has .35
[18:59] <BUGabundo> cwillu: don't recommend ppl to use nvidia site drivers
[18:59] <BUGabundo> they tend to mess the system
[18:59] <crdlb> which has a bug which makes it pretty much unusable
[18:59] <Infecto> ok, but its bugy
[18:59] <Infecto> and now i have i think ok driver
[18:59] <cwillu> BUGabundo, please stop talking to me, or at least read what I wrote before you tell me to not do things that I didn't do in the first place
[18:59] <Infecto> litle work around and distro mess
[19:00] <Infecto> but should be ok
[19:00] <BUGabundo> I can't read
[19:00] <BUGabundo> I just entered
[19:00] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:00] <cwillu> I noticed :p
[19:00]  * BUGabundo I need to stop commenting on half read stuff
[19:00]  * crdlb BUGabundo should stop misusing /me
[19:00] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[19:01] <BUGabundo> ahhahahah
[19:01]  * cwillu /ignore's BUGabundo for the day
[19:02] <cwillu> J-_, pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:02] <cwillu> just realized, you might not be using a clean and empty xorg.conf :)
[19:02] <BUGabundo> yeah... grumpy today... sorry guys! need to get home and rest a bit
[19:02] <BUGabundo> bye
[19:02] <BUGabundo> take care
[19:02] <Infecto> cwillu: should he?
[19:04] <J-_> cwillu: http://pastebin.ca/1355367
[19:04] <cwillu> k, that's not it then
[19:05] <J-_> hrm
[19:06] <cwillu> J-_, I think you're at the point of booting off a livecd and checking if glxinfo shows something more normal
[19:07] <J-_> cwillu: K, I'll do that, brb.
[19:09] <DanaG> hmm, why is it that a 64-bit OS on a 64-bit system with 2x 2GB sticks of RAM, would show only 3020 megs of RAM?
[19:10]  * cwillu suggests uname -a, and then immediately ducks
[19:10] <cwillu> don't have a ram= line in your grub for no apparent reason do you?
[19:10] <cwillu> (or whatever the incantation is to limit visible memory)
[19:11] <DanaG> Happens in Windows, too.
[19:11] <cwillu> weird bios setting?
[19:11] <cwillu> or a mislabeled dimm
[19:12] <DanaG> hmm, free is saying 3827m.
[19:12] <cwillu> where did you see 3020?
[19:12] <DanaG> I don't remember, actually.
[19:12] <DanaG> yeah, it's 3827.  That's a bit more normal.
[19:13] <DanaG> 269 megs off from 4096.
[19:13] <cwillu> integrated video?
[19:14] <DanaG> Nope, 256M discrete.
[19:14] <DanaG> ATI RV635.
[19:14] <DanaG> Granted, 4 gigs is enough that that 269 doesn't matter much... but I'm still curious.
[19:15] <cwillu> again, where are you reading that number
[19:17] <DanaG> htop gives me the 3827.
[19:18] <anon23543> Hi - Nvidia have released a new beta Nvidia-180 driver (180.37). It fixes this bug for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/325188 . Is this newer version going to be included in Jaunty?
[19:18] <crdlb> anon23543: I'm going to say yes
[19:18] <anon23543> That's good news for me - thanks for your help. :)
[19:19] <J-_> cwillu: http://pastebin.ca/1355380 glxinfo from LiveCD
[19:19] <cwillu> J-_, ya, that looks right
[19:20] <crdlb> anon23543: I'm not saying that based upon any decision, just that I don't see any reason why they wouldn't
[19:20]  * J-_ boots back 
[19:20] <cwillu> J-_, my suspicion is that you've got some conflicting libraries installed somewhere, but I don't really have much good advice for where to start looking for it
[19:20] <crdlb> in fact, I can say with 100% certainty that they'll either need to downgrade or upgrade
[19:22] <J-_> cwillu: hmm, k. Everything is running as default. I didn't do anything funky. I'm pretty close do a default installation besides the updates and programs I've installed.
[19:23] <anon23543> crdlb: Yeah, I saw a few people reporting problems with the current -180. Hopefully we'll get the new one.
[19:23]  * J-_ boots back into hard disk
[19:24] <J-_> cwillu: anything else you want me to run from the livecd?
[19:25] <cwillu> nope
[19:25] <J-_> k
[19:25] <cwillu> just proof that the laptop works and the default install should be right (so the question remains...)
[19:25] <DanaG> my meminfo:
[19:25] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f11795cf7
[19:32] <lanoxx> if i look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed, i dont see any critical bugs, does that mean in jaunty are no critical bugs atm?
[19:33] <J-_> cwillu: When restarting right after grub it says, 'no enforce2 chipset' then it proceeds to boot. When restarting from the LiveCD, upon the ejecting of the CD, it complains about SquashFS
[19:33] <J-_> Not sure if any of that is of interest. :)
[19:35] <DanaG> ooh, concurrency=shell gives 34-second boot.
[19:36] <bruce89> J-_: I think that'll be hushed soonish
[19:45] <cwillu> DanaG, upstart native can do even better, and in theory there's enough info in the init.d jobs to build the right native jobs
[19:46] <cwillu> unfortunately, I don't think anyone has a good way of automatically integrating third-party scripts
[19:58] <sammy> what package is responsible for the playing of alert sounds? say I've got a terminal window open and I press tab too many times, or backspace too many times. or I'm in a text input box and I press backspace too many times
[19:59] <sammy> gnome-sound-preferences plays the sounds correctly, if you press the preview button, but the sounds still end up being a pc speaker beep when the event is triggered
[19:59] <sammy> and I don't  know who to assign the package to
[19:59] <sammy> excuse me, the bug
[20:00] <DanaG> check for beep in alsamixer.
[20:00] <DanaG> alsamixer -c0
[20:01] <sammy> DanaG: check for... it's existence? there's no beep switch or slider, there's a pc speaker slider with a mute toggle
[20:01] <DanaG> Mute it, then.
[20:01] <sammy> then there's no beep and the sound that's supposed to play doesn't play
[20:02] <sammy> I'm not trying to stop the beeps, I want the sound that gnome-sound-preferences says should play to play
[20:02] <DanaG> I think gnome's beeps are broken for me, too.
[20:02] <sammy> *nod* they seem to be broken for a lot of people
[20:02] <sammy> and I'm trying to assign the bug to the right package
[20:02] <sammy> I just can't figure out what is responsible. aplay and paplay both work, all of my other applications play just fine through pulseaudio or through alsa through pulseaudio
[20:03] <DanaG> Mine don't even play on clicking the play button.
[20:03] <sammy> ah, that's a separate bug
[20:03] <sammy> which I've seen, and I can give you the  bug # if you want it
[20:04] <sammy> I've seen two of this bug specifically where the preview works but only the login noise plays correctly, all the other event and logout noises just end up being a pc speaker beep. and there are a handful of bugs where the workaround is what you said, just turn down or mute the pc speaker. but no one seems to be addressing why the default sounds just don't play
[20:04] <sammy> this was an intrepid issue, as well, and they said that the issue happened in a bunch of different gtk programs so it might be a bug in gtk+
[20:05] <DanaG> another random, completely different issue I have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[20:09] <sammy> DanaG: have you checked for an 'external amplifer' switch?
[20:09] <sammy> that toggles the internal speaker power on this laptop when headphones aren't plugged in
[20:09] <lws> What's the reason for hostapd packages not being updated?  Or to put it another way, where would I look to find out?
[20:11] <DanaG> Sound works properly -- it's just that the hardware mute does not communicate in any way with software.
[20:11] <DanaG> On other laptops, they abuse the EAPD (external amplifier power down) pin for this LED, and I assume HP does the same here... but ALSA doesn't offer that.
[20:15] <sammy> lws: updated from the debian versions? or updated from the released hostapd versions?
[20:16] <lws> sammy: I am not aware of what the debian version is, but 0.5.10 has been in ubuntu forever, 0.5.11 was out for along time as stable, and now 0.6.8 is finally stable
[20:17] <sammy> it looks like hostapd packages in ubuntu come from the debian stable and unstable branches, so I'd point you here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=hostapd
[20:18] <sammy> file a bug to update the package or contact the maintainer directly, you'll probably get an answer, or possibly even get the version bumped
[20:19] <bruce89> http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hostapd.html
[20:19] <lws> sammy:  I've been trying to run my box as a Wireless AP and I feel like shooting myself in the head.
[20:19] <sammy> it's probably an issue of wanting it to receive testing, but it could be a major API change, who knows.  if you see here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hostapd that the updates are always done by the 'ubuntu archive autosync' then there probably isn't a particular ubuntu maintainer
[20:20] <sammy> # A new upstream version is available: 0.6.7, you should consider packaging it. cute. nice, bruce89
[20:21] <lws> okay
[20:21] <lws> Well I compiled it from source for my nl80211 card
[20:21] <lws> Have two versions of it running at the same time for different cards.
[20:22] <lws> I'm trying to hunt down a really annoying bug with the ath9k card
[20:25] <lws> sammy: Question for you about init scripts
[20:25] <lws> There's some kind of startup manager on ubuntu that doesn't exist on debian?
[20:26] <lws> or?
[20:26] <lws> the dependency stuff seems reminiscent of gentoo's init script stuff
[20:27] <sammy> it is, most linux distros have the same sort of dependency rc/init script behavior. but I'm not sure the differences between debian and ubuntu
[20:28] <lws> Well, my question is particularly related to NetworkManager
[20:28] <lws> and ifupdown
[20:28] <lws> ifupdown includes it's own init script which is included but not used in jaunty
[20:29] <lws> I disabled NetworkManager from starting, and enabled "networking" but i had to go in and hack on the script to make it work under ubuntu
[20:29] <lws> Seems like my behavior is unspported, but I couldn't find any other recommendations for getting rid of NetworkManager and still having my devices come up on startup
[20:34] <Lounge> something happened after updates few days ago - sound is popping and scratchy and i can't connect to the internets. it seem that the network has completely broke
[20:35] <lws> the internets?
[20:35] <Lounge> internet*
[20:36] <Lounge> i can't get online - can't seem to find my eth card
[20:37] <Lounge> did the whole network structure go through a complete makeover?
[20:38] <lws> the driver for your card probably isn't loading
[20:38] <Lounge> wait alpha 5 is out now right?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:39] <Lounge> ok i better just do a full clean install then
[20:44] <Lounge> ok downloading
[21:44] <kamikaze> hey guys
[21:44] <kamikaze> :) got a few questions :) and probelms with my alpha version
[21:44] <bruce89> !ask | kamikaze
[21:46] <kamikaze> kk :), well i dont know how to get the wine unstable to work because i need to get the code for the repositories and the only code i get is for vesrion 8.10 for ubuntu
[21:46] <kamikaze> and not for 9.10
[21:46] <kamikaze> and in the usual repositories tHere's only the stable release of wine
[21:47] <kamikaze> any 1 got a idea?
[21:48] <kamikaze> if i could get th .rpm for 64 bit i could just isntall it but i can hardly find any package
[21:49] <kamikaze> everyone afk ?
[21:52] <kamikaze> can someone pls help?
[21:54] <bruce89> !repeat | kamikaze
[22:01] <unixdawg_> he must have a hell of a hangove
[22:01] <unixdawg_> wrong window
[22:02] <bruce89> heh
[22:03] <kamikaze> hangove?
[22:04] <bruce89> !info wine > kamikaze
[22:05] <kamikaze> that's what i read too but im confused though
[22:06] <bruce89> in what way?
[22:08] <kamikaze> well :) im not native english. So now there's no way in installing wine 1.1.x in ubuntu 9.04 right?
[22:11] <bruce89> not unless you want to compile it I assume
[22:15] <kamikaze> oh okay, and another question i have is that i got the problem that my ntfs partition isnt recognized somehow and i need to get access is there any way to check if i can access it with ubuntu?
[22:17] <Lounge> okay something really bad is going on - jaunty cannot find my network cards eht0 and eth1
[22:17] <Lounge> and i can't connect to the internet
[22:18] <Lounge> all im getting from the ifconfig is "lo"
[22:35] <cwillu> kamikaze, you can mount it with -o force, although you really should run a chkdsk from windows on it if at all possible
[22:42] <Laney> Does anyone else sometimes get a horrible sound instead of real audio sometimes?
[22:42] <Laney> incredibly loud stuttering or something
[22:46] <dtchen> Laney: i know about it. i'm fixing it.
[22:46] <Laney> dtchen: Ah, that's good
[22:46] <Laney> it seems to only happen after pausing/unpausing
[22:46] <dtchen> the hardest part has been bisecting which of the various optimisation variables is the culprit.
[22:47] <dtchen> yes, that's due to glitch-free being enabled and the watermark being unstable
[22:47] <Laney> I admire you for working on the audio stack, btw
[22:48] <Laney> it is an unwieldy beast that people love to bash
[22:48] <dtchen> yes, everyone loves to complain about it, but few want to dig into it to fix it
[22:48] <dtchen> anyhow, supper, then back to the unwieldy beast
[22:48] <Laney> hm
[22:48] <Laney> I thought your PPA packages didn't have glitch-free enabled?
[22:48] <dtchen> you might want to try 0.9.14-0ubuntu11~ppa6~ubuntu2 in my ppa once it has built
[22:49] <dtchen> Laney: the last few have had them enabled.
[22:49] <dtchen> 0.9.14-0ubuntu11~ppa6~ubuntu2 officially disables it again
[22:49] <Laney>   Installed: 0.9.14-0ubuntu11~ppa1~ubuntu1
[22:49] <Laney> ah, righto
[22:51] <kamikaze> hm k i think i gonna install 8.1
[22:51] <kamikaze> but can i  downgrade it somehow= i mean downgrade 9.04..
[22:53] <Laney> not really
[22:53] <kamikaze> kk ty :)
[23:11] <Nytrix> when is 9.04 going to come out as an official release? and not just beta
[23:12] <crdlb> late april
[23:12] <Nytrix> ok
[23:12] <Nytrix> how long will it be supported for?
[23:12] <crdlb> 18 months
[23:13] <Nytrix> k
[23:14] <crdlb> oh come on, notify-osd doesn't use g_markup_escape_text? XD
[23:14] <bruce89> !schedule
[23:14] <bruce89> crdlb: that's another bug
[23:14] <crdlb> but it's so obvious ...
[23:15] <bruce89> that's the point
[23:15] <crdlb> so that's already filed?
[23:15] <bruce89> yes
[23:16] <Nytrix> sweet
[23:16] <bruce89> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331019 I assume
[23:17] <crdlb> meh, the dialog that notify-osd uses for '-t 0' notifications appears behind the window
[23:17] <crdlb> so it's totally useless as a notification
[23:17] <bruce89> apparently that's the point
[23:18] <crdlb> except for the flashing thingy in the taskbar, but that requires me to click twice instead of once :/
[23:18] <bruce89> and you can't ignore it
[23:18] <bruce89> whereas a bubble you can
[23:18] <crdlb> ah nice, it completely ignores duration
[23:19] <bruce89> it's a bloody disgrace
[23:21] <Nytrix> hi rww
[23:21] <Nytrix> :)
[23:22] <bruce89> but the Ubuntu devs are completely blinkered
[23:23] <bruce89> it's all that Mark's fault
[23:24] <Alexia_Death> anybody else habing issues with knetworkmanager?
[23:25] <Alexia_Death> it simply ignores any orders to connect to something...
[23:49] <crdlb> genius, network-manager-gnome now contains a 'notification-network-wireless-full', which is used instead of the normal icon (by patching)
[23:50] <crdlb> this icon is in a barely visible transparent gray, so it's worthless without notify-osd
[23:50] <bruce89> oh bloody hell
[23:51] <crdlb> they did do it by name (it's a new made-up name though, afaict), so I guess I can override it in my icon theme :/
[23:53] <xtknight> anyone else having issues with pulseaudio? messages like "Increasing wakeup watermark" and constant music skipping
[23:53] <xtknight> never used to happen
[23:54] <tc111> anyone know of a closer repo mirror for lpia than ubuntu-ports?