[01:06] <Rocket2DMn> Hey guys, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo?action=diff&rev1=114&rev2=115
[01:07] <Rocket2DMn> Do we want to allow explanations of how to enable the root account, root is disabled by default as part of Ubuntu's security model
[01:07] <Flannel> Just ignoring it all together isn't really a healthy policy though.  The comment isn't accurate, though.  Since you can use recovery console/etc.
[01:07] <Rocket2DMn> I am against having that info there.  On the forums we don't support enabling the root account for login
[01:07] <Flannel> It's *never* necessary, and we also don't support enabling it in #ubuntu, but I'm not sure trying to censor that info is a good thing.
[01:08] <Rocket2DMn> The thing is, it circumvents Ubuntu's security model
[01:08] <Flannel> That particular person's reasons for adding it are entirely wrong, but that's not a valid reason for removing it/etc.
[01:08] <Flannel> Yes, but educating the users (so they don't want to enable root) is better than just removing the command.
[01:09] <Rocket2DMn> I think we should probably have this discussion on the mailing list, I'll send out an email
[01:09] <Rocket2DMn> Perhaps a simple note on the page thta we dont support it is good enough
[01:09] <Flannel> If someone hears (from their friends or whatever) that they should enable root, they'll google and figure out how.
[01:09] <Rocket2DMn> that is true, but it doesnt mean we should be providing that info
[01:09] <Flannel> You can put more than a simple note.  Give it an icon by it, etc.
[01:12] <Rocket2DMn> thanks for the feedback Flannel , ill take it into account in my email
[01:12] <Rocket2DMn> and you are free to respond :)
[01:14] <Flannel> Of course, the same case could be made for arr emm arr eff.  Except that's malicious.  The difference is that this one is a security choice (albeit a rather poor one)  There's plenty of verbage around it explaining that its bad (although some sort of danger icon next to the command couldn't hurt)
[01:14] <Flannel> Warning, not danger.
[01:16] <Rocket2DMn> there is already explanation at the top of the page as to why we use sudo
[01:18] <Flannel> And an explanation under that command as to why its not a good idea (and whats better)
[01:18] <Rocket2DMn> "Using the single boot parameter (for example, to repair a broken system) doesn't help much if you intend to use the root option (labeled Drop to root shell prompt) from the Recovery menu, since that option requires entering the root password. (This however seems to have been fixed in the 8.10 release.)"
[01:18] <Rocket2DMn> that is also not true, it only prompts for a password IF you have enabled the root account