[00:08] <knome> charlie-tca is our superboy
[00:10] <charlie-tca> no, that should be cody-somerville
[00:10]  * charlie-tca thinks highly of cody-somerville 
[00:11] <cody-somerville> lol
[00:12] <cody-somerville> thank you charlie-tca. I appreciate that. However, Xubuntu wouldn't be the same without *you*.
[00:12] <charlie-tca> Might be stronger, though
[00:12] <knome> it would be different without both of you.
[00:13] <charlie-tca> I can agree with that
[00:17] <keres> when you chown something, and it says 'read only filesystem', even with sudo, how do you fix write protection?
[00:18] <charlie-tca> keres: as in, you want to write to it?
[00:18] <charlie-tca> read only means it is write protected
[00:18] <xiq> hello! can i skin the taskbar in xubuntu?
[00:19] <cody-somerville> yes
[00:19] <xiq> how O=
[00:20] <xiq> ?
[00:22] <charlie-tca> !panel
[00:22] <xiq> thanks :D
[00:23] <SiDi> btw, dont try transparent png, it may hurt your eyes =)
[00:24] <xiq> ok.. does anyone know how to set off the compiz taskbarr opacity?
[00:25] <SiDi> hm, in the opacity menu of compizconfig-settings-manager
[00:26] <xiq> thx, i'm very tired ;D
[00:31] <davygrvy_> xubuntu just installed on a very old ThinkPad 600E
[00:32] <davygrvy_> very impressive, it got the two pccards for wired and wireless working!
[00:32] <charlie-tca> :-)
[00:32] <davygrvy_> all automatic
[00:32] <charlie-tca> which version?
[00:32] <davygrvy_> during the install it was talking to the mirrors and downloading packages
[00:33] <davygrvy_> 8.10
[00:33] <SiDi> See you tomorrow people
[00:33] <charlie-tca> I'm impressed if you wired and wireless working
[00:33] <charlie-tca> later, SiDi
[00:33] <knome> o/
[00:33] <SiDi> time for me to make sweet dreams about SIGSEGV and gcc errors :)
[00:34]  * charlie-tca very glad to hear from davygrvy_ 
[00:34] <davygrvy_> I tried on an even older Thinkpad 760EL, but no joy there
[00:35] <davygrvy_> hardware detection problems with the cd-rom
[00:35] <charlie-tca> That could make it difficult
[00:35] <davygrvy_> just tooooo old
[00:36] <charlie-tca> I thought that was the case with an old desktop machine, but it was a bad motherboard, instead of age
[00:36] <davygrvy_> the 600E is updating pachages right now for it's first boot, could parobably be another 30 minutes
[00:37] <davygrvy_> yeah, could be
[00:39] <davygrvy_> smart boot manager got the installer kernel to load from it, yet the installer failed @ step #3 "detecting and mounting cd-rom".  The cd-rom the installer just loaded from ;)
[00:40] <davygrvy_> how good is dosbox at allowing dos apps to run in realmode?
[00:40] <charlie-tca> Did you run the cd integrity check to make sure it wasn't the cd?
[00:40] <charlie-tca> never used dosbox
[00:40] <davygrvy_> couldn't, it couldn't mount it
[00:40] <davygrvy_> ;)
[00:40] <knome> davygrvy_, any specific app/game in mind?
[00:41] <davygrvy_> not a game...  a mission critical data acquision system
[00:41] <davygrvy_> runs with a full length (13") ISA card in the docking station
[00:42] <davygrvy_> it's 13 years old, but there is nothing better made these days
[00:42] <davygrvy_> isn't that weird?
[00:43] <davygrvy_> I'm putting on xubuntu to see if I can run that dos app
[00:44] <davygrvy_> win95 bothers me alot
[00:47] <davygrvy_> I'm really starting to get my linux "fu" lately.  I feel empowered
[00:52] <FaMott> Hmmm, How do I get a USB mic to Work in Xubuntu >.>?
[00:54] <davygrvy_> FaMott, does the manufacturer provide a driver for it?
[00:55] <FaMott> It's just a regular USB Microphone... hell, It's the Rock Band Mic I'm using because I'm a cheap bugger :P
[00:55] <davygrvy_> serial ports and disc like stick memory are builtin and automatic
[00:55] <davygrvy_> you need a driver
[00:56] <FaMott> Hmmm.
[00:56] <FaMott> Where can I get the driver?
[00:56] <davygrvy_> this is the problem with USB devices in general
[00:56] <davygrvy_> who made it?
[00:56] <FaMott> It (if I can remember correctly) is Identified as a Logitech Mic.
[00:56] <FaMott> Yep, Logitech USB Microphone
[00:57] <knome> FaMott, try to set your mic/record device volume louder in 'aumix'
[00:57] <davygrvy_> hit http://www.logitech.com or google for "logitech usb microphone linux driver"
[00:58] <davygrvy_> does linux recognize it at all?
[00:58] <FaMott> Yes it does, as mic,0
[00:58] <davygrvy_> ahh
[00:58] <davygrvy_> you're there
[00:59] <davygrvy_> is the device listed in the mixer?
[00:59] <FaMott> Yeah
[01:01] <davygrvy_> enabled? input level up?
[01:02] <FaMott> Mic level is as high as it can get.
[01:03] <FaMott> and mic select is Mic1
[01:03] <knome> FaMott, try to set your mic/record device volume louder in 'aumix'
[01:03] <FaMott> Ohjeez, I don't even HAVE aumix.
[01:04] <knome> FaMott, 'sudo apt-get install aumix'
[01:04] <FaMott> Doing that now
[01:05] <FaMott> All the way up, installed, too.
[01:06] <FaMott> Nothing but Fuzz.
[01:06] <knome> FaMott, maybe you need to unmute it
[01:06] <davygrvy_> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/vectorlinux-36/how-do-you-assign-my-usb-micak5370-as-the-capture-device-433604/
[01:07] <FaMott> THERE WE Go...
[01:07] <knome> FaMott, what was the solution?
[01:07] <FaMott> Well, A combination of setting it up on aumix and setting it as my audio device for skype
[01:08] <knome> :)
[01:08] <knome> good to know.
[01:09] <davygrvy_> yup
[01:09] <knome> davygrvy_, the solution is many times more simple than you'd think.
[01:13] <davygrvy_> just top level software, hardware works fine, yes?
[01:13] <knome> usb microphones are quite simple hardware
[01:13] <knome> and there is actually no reason why they would not work
[01:14] <knome> you don't need specific drivers because they only input sound.
[01:14] <davygrvy_> when I saw FaMott said linux recognized, your basically done
[01:14] <davygrvy_> unlike this USB osciliscope I have will only work on windows due to it's complexity
[01:15] <davygrvy_> and there's no host software for it on linux anyways
[01:15] <knome> true. but it's really hard for a beginner, for example, to know he needs to install aumix and tweak that one knob. EVEN if it's so easy that even our grandmas could do it.
[01:15] <davygrvy_> well, i'm not at all disagreeing and you seem to be putting me in an odd position
[01:16] <knome> no, not at all :)
[01:16] <knome> i've set up a usb microphone once myself
[01:16] <FaMott> Well, Yeah, I tried Fedora for a month, got mad at its near non-existent software list (yeee, No 3rd party apps :D) Went to Ubuntu, and in either install, I just simply didn't do what wouldn't work, because I didn't want to really break anything
[01:17] <knome> and it took my ages longer even if i knew the device was recognised from the start. just couldn't get any sound.
[01:17] <FaMott> I know how to do some more stuff.
[01:18] <FaMott> I tried Arch on a VM at one point... Yeesh, that was hard.
[01:18] <FaMott> and I eventually want to be able to use Gentoo, preferably on my next laptop
[01:18] <knome> FaMott, i recommend just taking it nice and easy :)
[01:19] <davygrvy_> i'm having a blast with mount and dd lately and XP in VirtualBox backing up other WinXX desktop harddrives
[01:19] <FaMott> :P Yesh because well, Compiling a Kernel is ... yeah.
[01:19] <knome> i would never compile a kernel.
[01:19] <knome> well now as i say so, i probably will do it.
[01:19] <FaMott> XD
[01:19] <knome> but anyway, it's nothing i *want* to do.
[01:20] <FaMott> Well , here's the thing I want to be able to tweak my computer more and more to my liking, yeah.
[01:20] <FaMott> but even now I'm sorta just starting to learn
[01:23] <knome> FaMott, linux is learning every day.
[01:23] <FaMott> *nods* It is.
[01:24] <FaMott> and not to be too zealotish, but M$ EULA's are just plain... retarded >.>
[01:26] <PKodon> FaMott: Amen.
[01:27] <FaMott> PKodon: After you mentioned to me the whole Privacy Breaching a while back, I looked at XBL's EULA for the service, and anything... ANYTHING, voice convos, even, can be recorded and distributed at their will. o.O
[01:28] <FaMott> And they gather info about you for using the service, etc.
[01:28] <PKodon> FaMott: I'm so sick of most EULAs today, regardless of where they come from. But, you have to SAY you agree to them, if you want to use the junk.
[01:29] <FaMott> I know, but it usually says "You HAVE to agree or else we terminate the service"
[01:29] <FaMott> and they plaster it EVERYWHERE.
[01:29] <PKodon> FaMott: And the thing is, they advertise all the stuff you can do, then turn around and tell you you have to agree with their EULA, but they don't warrant that the stuff is good for anything.
[01:30] <FaMott> *nods* I find it funnily contradictory because well.
[01:30] <FaMott> Because at one point it says "Oh , we can take all your stuff and it's ours!"
[01:30] <FaMott> Well, all content on anything accessing the service
[01:31] <FaMott> then it says somewhere in the code of conduct "Respect Copyright!"
[01:31] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:31] <knome> or bug #1 in launchpad
[01:32] <PKodon> Heh, thanks for the reminder, knome.
[01:32] <Go|2T> hi there
[01:33] <Go|2T> I have a problem... I`ve lost my panels
[01:34] <knome> Go|2T, alt+f2 > xfce4-panel
[01:35] <Go|2T> thank you.. will it stay there now
[01:37] <knome> Go|2T, should.
[01:38] <knome> Go|2T, if it doesn't, come back :)
[01:38] <knome> !panels
[01:38] <Go|2T> ok, I`ll go reboot and see what happpens
[01:38] <knome> you don't need reboot
[01:38] <knome> just log out/in
[01:39] <Go|2T> ok, I`ll try that
[02:05] <[Acheron]> Hey People, I'm A Newbie To xubuntu, I Used Ubuntu And Used Themes On It Normally, But Since The gui Here Is xfce I Need A Little Help On Installing Themes
[02:06] <knome> [Acheron], what's the problem?
[02:06] <[Acheron]> I Downloaded The Themes From xfce-look.org But Have No Theme Manager
[02:08] <knome> [Acheron], the preferred place to put themes is ~/.themes where ~ is /home/yourusername
[02:08] <knome> [Acheron], if that directory does not exist, create it.
[02:08] <knome> [Acheron], after that see settings -> settings manager -> appearance/window manager
[02:09] <knome> [Acheron], your themes in ~/.themes should appear there
[02:09] <[Acheron]> I Shall Try That In A Sec, Thanks knome
[02:15] <[Acheron]> That Problem Is Solved, Thanks
[02:15] <knome> np.
[02:39] <Zarek> Hey, I just installed and set up compiz, and suddenly all my borders diassapeared. Can anyone help please?
[02:46] <MacAnthony> wireless issue: my computer stopped finding any wireless networks - driver seems to be configured but iwlist wlan0 scan doesn't find any
[02:49] <Acheron> Hey, I just installed and set up compiz, and suddenly all my borders diassapeared. Can anyone help please?
[02:55] <Acheron> I'm Using Xubuntu 8.1 btw
[02:55] <MacAnthony> 8.10
[02:56] <Acheron> Yes
[02:56] <Acheron> And After I Set Up Compiz My Borders Dissapeared
[02:57] <Acheron> No X At The Top Right Of The Screen Or Anything
[03:04] <Ishmael> wutz compiz?
[03:04] <Acheron> Compiz Fusion
[03:04] <Ishmael> ?
[03:05] <MacAnthony> it's a desktop animation package
[03:05] <MacAnthony> I don't have it installed, though
[03:05] <MacAnthony> adds 3d effects to the desktop
[03:07] <Acheron> MacAnthony: So You Have No Idea How Can I Fix This?
[03:08] <MacAnthony> Acheron: sorry, I don't really - I don't have compiz installed and am relatively new to xfce too
[03:08] <Acheron> MacAnthony: Thanks Anyways
[03:11] <Ishmael> good luck with that
[03:13] <Ishmael> they have a wiki and forums, you should ask on their forum, i assume they would know more about their own software
[03:13] <Acheron> Ishmael: True Enough
[03:15] <Ishmael> if it gives you that cube effect, then that's neat
[03:15] <Ishmael> kind of like that linux vs. windows video that's been out.  that guy also had a fishtank inside the cube
[03:16] <Ishmael> i'm running xubuntu on a server though, so i have no need for this really...
[03:19] <Ishmael> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Cube#Atlantis
[03:19] <Ishmael> i came
[03:22] <MacAnthony> if I wasn't trying to fix my computer ATM, I would install it to test it out
[03:23] <Ishmael> Acheron, #compiz-fusion they have their own room even, figured they had to, even though it's not too advertised on the webpage
[03:25] <Acheron> Ishmael: I Just Checked It Out, Problem Fixed
[03:25] <Ishmael> nice
[03:25] <Ishmael> are you staring at cubes and fish right now?
[03:25] <Acheron> lol I Use A Cylinder Instead
[03:25] <Acheron> Smoother
[03:26] <Ishmael> max out your effects, get a mac fanboy and brag
[03:27] <Ishmael> then start a fight after calling the cops saying that the mac guy is trying to attack you
[03:27] <Ishmael> press charges
[03:33] <Ishmael> damn, now i'm probably going to install it
[03:33] <Ishmael> i wonder if it shows up through vnc
[03:42] <Ishmael> i'm starting to hate synaptic, apt-get is much cleaner :(
[03:42] <MacAnthony> indeed
[03:42] <MacAnthony> I liked adept with kde3.5, but don't care for the kde4 version
[03:47] <Ishmael> i keep fooling myself into using it :D
[03:50] <Ishmael> "oh, this is something small, i'll just go ahead and...oh f---"
[03:50] <MacAnthony> :)
[05:43] <rocko> TEST YOUR ISP https://www.eff.org/testyourisp
[07:50] <Mood> i'm still not sure the differences between apt-get vs aptitude
[07:52] <MacAnthony> command line vs ncurses interface?
[07:54] <Mood> i read somewhere that aptitude keeps track of all dependencies and during uninstall deletes everything, whereas apt-get leaves some artifacts lying around... i haven't confirmed this myself though
[07:57] <djdarkman> hello, the XFCE panels cover Warcraft 3 over Wine, is there a way to fix this?
[08:00] <Mood> djdarkman: hide panels?
[08:01] <djdarkman> that's not a very feasible solution, to hide the panels every time I play, I found a better solution pressing ALT+F11 but thanks anyway
[08:27] <Brad450> any good C++ coders out there
[08:33] <Ishmael> there are many
[08:33] <Ishmael> some of the best c++ coders are out there
[08:35] <_Pete_> Brad450: will Java one do?
[08:35] <Ishmael> i could code my way out of a paper bag
[08:36]  * Ishmael is often trapped inside paper bags
[08:50] <lulemurfan> My laptop is not showing the top taskbar, even when I move the mouse to the top of my screen it's not working. can i have some help?
[08:59] <Brad450> did you delet the panel by any chance??
[09:10] <lulemurfan> what aload of help this is
[09:10] <lulemurfan> anyway i've found away around the problem
[09:17] <CppIsWeird> ok, seriously, why is my mouse always disappearing every time i log out after upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10
[12:30] <xiq> hello! how can i mount a fat32 partition?
[12:54] <slow-motion> hi
[13:52] <tingle> im looking for a mac-look-a-like dock for my xubuntu notebook any sugestions? i found gnome-dock but i think its to big.
[14:32] <Boski-PL> raid0 mounting issue, help needed!!!
[14:34] <Boski-PL>  raid0 mounting issue, help needed!!!:'(
[14:34] <charlie-tca> If you help in a hurry, you should try #ubuntu
[14:34] <Boski-PL> i am
[14:34] <Boski-PL> ;-(
[14:34] <charlie-tca> !patience
[14:34] <Boski-PL> 10-4
[14:34] <Boski-PL> copy that
[14:34] <Boski-PL> ok
[14:35] <charlie-tca> What about #ubuntu-server for raid?
[14:35] <Boski-PL> i`ll try
[14:35] <Boski-PL> didnt mean to offend any1 im just a newbie
[14:35] <Boski-PL> ;-)
[14:35] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[14:36] <Boski-PL> thx
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Normally, ask the question you need to, and if anyone can answer, they will. Need help doesn't tell what your issue is.
[14:36] <Boski-PL> got it
[14:43] <juanito> hi people
[14:43] <vinnl> Hey juanito  :)
[14:44] <juanito> nice to see you again
[14:44] <juanito> ready for a new session of questions?
[14:44] <juanito> jaja
[14:46] <vinnl> Sure ;-)
[14:47] <juanito> ok then
[14:48] <juanito> if i were to use ubuntu and xubuntu.......
[14:48] <juanito> would i have to download the desktop
[14:49] <juanito> or install xubuntu in another partition
[14:49] <juanito> ?
[14:49] <vinnl> You can install Ubuntu "on top" of Xubuntu
[14:49] <vinnl> Basically, the difference is the package selection
[14:49] <juanito> i'm now in xubuntu
[14:49] <vinnl> When you've got either installed, you can install xubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop (depending on which is installed) to pull in all the packages for the other
[14:50] <juanito> i've got a partition with ubuntu
[14:50] <vinnl> So you'd have to install ubuntu-desktop to get Ubuntu
[14:50] <vinnl> Oh
[14:50] <vinnl> Ehm... So what is it exactly you want? :P
[14:50] <juanito> jaja
[14:50] <SiDi> juanito, you can just "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and then at login, click on Options -> Session to change your session
[14:50] <juanito> i just wanted to know if downloading the desktop would be a right choice
[14:51] <vinnl> You mean the -desktop package or the desktop CD?
[14:51] <juanito> SiDi thanks
[14:51] <juanito> but i mean
[14:51] <juanito> if the programs that run for example
[14:51] <juanito> in ubuntu are the same....
[14:52] <juanito> i will give yo an example
[14:52] <SiDi> some are the same, some are'nt
[14:52] <juanito> and please forgive my stupid questions
[14:52] <juanito> but i want to get this clear
[14:52] <juanito> remember i'm a beginner
[14:52] <juanito> ;(
[14:52] <vinnl> It doesn't matter if you install, say, Abiword, in Ubuntu or Xubuntu - they are the same
[14:53] <juanito> i want to install a gui for ufw for example
[14:53] <juanito> gufw
[14:53] <juanito> will this work in xubuntu
[14:53] <juanito> if i have the two desktops?
[14:53] <vinnl> juanito, how have you installed them?
[14:54] <juanito> right now i have them in different partitions
[14:54] <juanito> i was just looking for my distro
[14:54] <juanito> remember?
[14:54] <vinnl> Ah
[14:54] <SiDi> Wondering if there is a way to tell firefox to stop asking me to install flash...
[14:54] <juanito> jaja
[14:54] <vinnl> Well, if you install gufw in Ubuntu then it won't be installed in Xubuntu as well, but you can install them in both if you want to
[14:55] <vinnl> SiDi, you can install FlashBlock, I suppose
[14:55] <juanito> you know
[14:55] <vinnl> (A Firefox extension)
[14:55] <SiDi> vinnl, yeh that could be a good solution
[14:55] <juanito> i thought there were different packages for each desktop
[14:55] <charlie-tca> SiDi: install it? even if you tell firefox not to use it, it will still keep telling you to install it, whether you have or not
[14:55] <juanito> i mean a xufw
[14:55] <SiDi> juanito, you shouldnt have installed ubuntu AND xubuntu. its the same distro, except that ubuntu comes with gnome (and ubuntu-artwork) and xubuntu with xfce and xubuntu-artwork
[14:55] <vinnl> Nope, the packages are the same
[14:56] <vinnl> And xubuntu-default-settings and a different package selection and whatnot... The core is the same
[14:56] <SiDi> charlie-tca, i don't want to install flash :p
[14:56] <juanito> SiDi thanks
[14:56] <juanito> i did install them botho to try them
[14:56] <charlie-tca> SiDi: I haven't found any way to turn it off, without flash installed and turned on
[14:57] <juanito> now i'm trying to understand them
[14:57] <juanito> step by step
[14:57] <charlie-tca> SiDi: Even installed, if you turn it off in options, it still gives you that thing
[14:57] <juanito> thanks god i found people like yo
[14:57] <juanito> jaja
[14:57] <juanito> you*
[14:57] <vinnl> juanito, what SiDi means is that you could first have installed Xubuntu, and then from within Xubuntu, install Ubuntu like you would install other applications
[14:57] <SiDi> i found it charlie-tca
[14:57] <charlie-tca> The option?
[14:58] <juanito> i did that with kubuntu and ubuntu
[14:58] <juanito> ,P
[14:58] <SiDi> in about:config, plugins.hide_infobar_for_missing_plugins, set it to false
[14:58] <SiDi> to true *
[14:58] <charlie-tca> Great!
[14:58] <vinnl> juanito, ha, well, you could've done the same with Xubuntu :)
[14:58] <juanito> vinnl somebody said here yesterday
[14:59] <juanito> that xubuntu had less gui than ubuntu
[14:59] <SiDi> it doesnt
[14:59] <SiDi> its just that GNOME's gui is more complete than XFCE's one
[14:59] <juanito> i can't remember who said that
[14:59] <vinnl> Well... GNOME has more GUI applications
[15:00] <SiDi> but for the ubuntu-specific guis, what ubuntu/gnome has, xubuntu/xfce has it too
[15:00] <vinnl> Though you can even install them in Xubuntu if you really want to ;-)
[15:00] <vinnl> That was charlie-tca  I believe ;-)
[15:00]  * SiDi uses nautilus when he needs to use smb or sftp graphically :p
[15:00] <vinnl> For example, Ubuntu comes with a "Screen Resolution" application that Xubuntu doesn't come with
[15:00] <vinnl> (It does have it's own application to configure the screen resolution though)
[15:01] <juanito> i think i will need more than a year to understand just a bit of the desktop
[15:01] <juanito> ,(
[15:01] <vinnl> A better example: Ubuntu has a "Dictionary" application, Xubuntu doesn't (there's a panel plugin, I believe)... However, I installed it anyway
[15:01] <vinnl> Heh, operating systems are complex beasts :)
[15:01] <juanito> just imagine the terminal
[15:02] <juanito> ;((
[15:02] <vinnl> Yeah, well... I hate the terminal too, I never really use it
[15:02] <vinnl> If you don't run into odd bugs then you don't need to either
[15:03] <SiDi> i *love* terminal :D
[15:03] <juanito> are you sure i could manage without terminal?
[15:03] <juanito> jaja
[15:03] <vinnl> Well, as I said, if you don't run into odd bugs ;-)
[15:03] <SiDi> you can do 95~99% of what you need to do, without term
[15:03]  * charlie-tca hangs head 
[15:03] <SiDi> but you'll just notice that its sometimes faster to use it
[15:03] <SiDi> and little by little you'll begin to :P
[15:04] <vinnl> I don't :P
[15:04] <juanito> i would be very happy just with 10%
[15:04] <juanito> jajaja
[15:04] <juanito> another question
[15:05] <juanito> is synaptic the gui of apt-get?
[15:05] <juanito> or are different applications
[15:05] <vinnl> The former
[15:06] <vinnl> It is a graphical front-end, same for the "Add/Remove..." application
[15:06] <SiDi> its a very complete gui for apt-get
[15:06] <vinnl> In turn, apt-get is, I believe, a front-end for dpkg, which is used to install individual packages
[15:06] <SiDi> but the Add/Remove window is more user friendly (but it doesnt manage everything)
[15:06] <vinnl> But you don't really ned to know that ;-)
[15:06] <juanito> and aptitude is another application completely different?
[15:07] <juanito> or i'm mixing everything
[15:07] <juanito> like a dj
[15:08] <vinnl> aptitude is an alternative to apt-get, but also a front-end to dpkg, I believe
[15:08] <vinnl> But if I were you I'd stick to Add/Remove
[15:08] <vinnl> And perhaps Synaptic, occasionally
[15:08] <juanito> you frightened me my friend
[15:08] <vinnl> Oh, there's also gdebi, which is *also* a front-end to dpkg, but graphical... It's what you get when you double-click packages you downloaded separately
[15:09] <vinnl> Sorry :P
[15:09] <juanito> isn't synaptic for me?
[15:09] <juanito> yet?
[15:09] <vinnl> Yes, Synaptic is fine
 A better example: Ubuntu has a "Dictionary" application, Xubuntu doesn't (there's a panel plugin, I believe
[15:09] <charlie-tca> we added it in intrepid
[15:09] <charlie-tca> under applications -> office
[15:10] <vinnl> charlie-tca, I don't have it...
[15:10] <charlie-tca> You still running minimal install?
[15:10] <vinnl> Never have
[15:10] <charlie-tca> weird, I got it
[15:11] <vinnl> charlie-tca, you mean GNOME's application?
[15:11] <juanito> so if i understood correctly i can have kde xfce and gnome in the same machine
[15:11] <vinnl> Yep
[15:11] <juanito> and if i download a package or application..........
[15:12] <juanito> it will be shown in them all?
[15:12] <vinnl> Yes
[15:12] <juanito> for example
[15:12] <juanito> i want to download rigt now gufw
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Xfce4 Dictionary
[15:12] <juanito> will it appear in the menu?
[15:12] <vinnl> juanito, yes
[15:13] <vinnl> charlie-tca, oh wait, that's what I got installed... But it's under Accessories for me
[15:13] <charlie-tca> vinnl: Might have been moved for jaunty
[15:14] <vinnl> Ah right
[15:16] <juanito> it works
[15:16] <juanito> ;P
[15:16] <vinnl> \o/
[15:16]  * charlie-tca thinks vinnl can fix most everything, if we listen to him
[15:17] <vinnl> I doubt it :P
[15:18] <charlie-tca> I read your blog
[15:18] <juanito> i've got that dictionary you mentioned above
[15:20] <juanito> it came installed by default i think
[15:20] <vinnl> Good to hear :)
[15:21] <juanito> i had lots of questions to ask but i forgot them all
[15:22] <juanito> ;P
[15:22] <vinnl> All your issues were magically resolved :)
[15:22] <juanito> no no
[15:22] <juanito> my main questio was that about kde gnome and xfce
[15:23] <juanito> but i had more
[15:23] <juanito> i can't remember them now
[15:24] <juanito> ah yes
[15:24] <juanito> is linux really viruses-free?
[15:25] <juanito> i think there are trojans for linux too
[15:25] <juanito> am i right?
[15:25] <vinnl> There might be some, somewhere in the dark corners of the internet
[15:26] <vinnl> But I don't think I'd be able to run them even if I were to find one
[15:26] <juanito> i mean
[15:26] <juanito> we are quite safe
[15:26] <juanito> are we not?
[15:26] <vinnl> Yes
[15:27] <juanito> not like using windows
[15:27] <juanito> that looks like a viruses nest
[15:27] <vinnl> Lets say that there's a bigger risk of your computer getting nuked in a nuclear war than it getting infected with a virus on Xubuntu
[15:27] <juanito> or a mutant hole of security
[15:27] <juanito> ;P
[15:27] <charlie-tca> juanito: there are no viruses outside the testing labs for linux
[15:28] <juanito> vinnl
[15:28] <juanito> you said on Xubuntu
[15:28] <vinnl> Yeah other Linuxes as well
[15:28] <juanito> i gather it is the same for every distro
[15:28] <vinnl> And *BSD's and whatnot
[15:28] <juanito> or there are distros weak
[15:29] <juanito> weak distros i mean
[15:29] <vinnl> Well, some are less safe than others, or less resistant against user screwups, but with Linux at the core I suppose all of them are a lot safer than Windows
[15:29] <charlie-tca> and don't forget, even without viruses, there are ways to steal the information off your computer. and use it to spam email
[15:30] <vinnl> The big ones are for sure
[15:30] <vinnl> Exactly
[15:30] <juanito> each time i install windows for my sister i spend more than 1 hour installing all the software related with security
[15:30] <vinnl> Heh, no need for that here ;-)
[15:31] <juanito> i'm sorry
[15:31] <cr4z3d> my desktop seems to be gone everytime i boot into xfce my wall paper does not show and neither do the icons on the desktop. how do i get these back?
[15:31] <juanito> i was just telling you a bit more of my decision to move into thiis direction
[15:31] <vinnl> Nothing to be sorry about :)
[15:32] <vinnl> cr4z3d, try pressing Alt+F2 and running "xfdesktop"
[15:32] <cr4z3d> vinnl: perfect. how do i make sure this starts when i log in?
[15:33] <vinnl> cr4z3d, do you have session saving turned on?
[15:33] <cr4z3d> yeah i guess i do cuz i think xfdesktop crashed while i was last logged in and that's why this whole thing started
[15:34] <cr4z3d> another probably quick question, how do i add more workspaces? by default i have 2 but would like 4
[15:34] <juanito> ah yes i've got another question
[15:34] <juanito> please
[15:34] <vinnl> Well, in that case it should be restored automatically next time. If not, you can add it to Autostarted Applications in the Settings Manager
[15:34] <vinnl> cr4z3d, in the Settings Manager, check "Workspaces"
[15:34] <vinnl> !ask
[15:34] <vinnl> :)
[15:34] <juanito> ops, i'm really sorry
[15:35] <juanito> i thought i had to ask permission
[15:35] <cr4z3d> wow.. this "settings manager" was not here yesterday. (i did not install xubuntu, installed ubuntu and installed xubuntu-desktop to try out xfce)
[15:35] <juanito> i'm very ashamed
[15:35] <vinnl> Heh, no problem, just ask away :)
[15:35] <vinnl> cr4z3d, hehe
[15:35] <vinnl> juanito, please, don't feel uncomfortable :)
[15:37] <juanito> since this machine came with vista home premium........i installed a copy of ultimate.
[15:37] <charlie-tca> juanito: you are allowed to ask all the questions you want here. Just give us a chance to answer before giving up
[15:37] <juanito> i activated it through an activator that came with it
[15:38] <juanito> my question is ....well if i install xubuntu
[15:38] <juanito> will grug disable that activator?
[15:38] <juanito> grub*
[15:38] <juanito> sorry
[15:38] <cr4z3d> this may be the wrong place to ask.. but anyone know how to successfully use firefox 3's awesomebar with a dark theme? the urls are in black and that on black doesn't show up haha
[15:39] <juanito> i'm sorry .i had to think twice before asking that in here
[15:39] <vinnl> cr4z3d, how many dark themes have you tried? This may well be an issue with the theme, in which case you'll have to contact the theme author
[15:40] <vinnl> juanito, I don't think so, but perhaps you'll want to ask in ##windows
[15:40] <cr4z3d> vinnl: pretty much every dark theme out there i've tried has done this
[15:40] <juanito> yes that would be an option
[15:41] <juanito> anyway i think grub will disolve the activator like an aspirine
[15:41] <juanito> jajaja
[15:42] <vinnl> cr4z3d, hmm, and the themes say they work with Firefox 3?
[15:42] <vinnl> cr4z3d, there's probably a #firefox channel, too, btw
[15:42] <vinnl> juanito, well, what does the activator do?
[15:43] <juanito> i think it works like a mbr
[15:43] <juanito> but i don't know exactly
[15:44] <juanito> since the software has to be anyhow linked with the hardware
[15:44] <vinnl> Hmm... I don't really know either, you'd really have to ask people more versed in Windows ;-)
[15:44] <juanito> but as i said
[15:44] <juanito> i don't know exactly how it works
[15:45] <juanito> don't worry vinnl
[15:45] <juanito> i don't give a shit for windows
[15:46] <juanito> so if the activator dies
[15:46] <juanito> .........
[15:46] <vinnl> That's the spirit :P
[15:46] <juanito> bye bye windows and welcome xubuntu
[15:47] <juanito> i will teach my sister how to use xubuntu
[15:47] <juanito> and problem fixed
[15:47] <juanito> or i will install virtualbox
[15:48] <cr4z3d> what's the best way to add custom keyboard shortcuts? i'm probably going to be adding a few to start apps and the filemanager? i've been using fluxbox and just wondering if it's just a simple file edit or if i need a seperate program
[15:48] <vinnl> cr4z3d, there's an application for that in Xubuntu
[15:48] <vinnl> cr4z3d, in the Settings Manager (gotta love it :) ), under Keyboard
[15:50] <cr4z3d> ah this is awesome
[15:50] <cr4z3d> i think xfce might be my favorite so far
[15:50] <vinnl> Welcome to the club ;-)
[15:50] <juanito> this chanel is going to grow
[15:50] <juanito> jaja
[15:59] <cr4z3d> how do i change thunar to nautilus? (i use dropbox) i got it working from the places menu but if i double click a folder on my desktop it uses thunar
[16:00] <charlie-tca> juanito: one of the freenode servers is acting up
[16:01] <vinnl> Hmm... I don't know, crap
[16:01]  * charlie-tca uses Listen
[16:02] <vinnl> cr4z3d, how did you get it working from the places menu?
[16:03] <cr4z3d> a dirty hack involving a symlink.. i made a script that executed nautilus --no-desktop and then symlinked to /usr/bin/thunar
[16:03] <cr4z3d> the actual thunar is /usr/bin/Thunar i believe
[16:04] <vinnl> Heh, yeah
[16:04] <vinnl> You could also do that for /usr/bin/Thunar, but it's really dirty
[16:04] <vinnl> And will probably cause problems
[16:04] <cr4z3d> haha yeah probably
[16:05] <cr4z3d> is there a way i can just disable all icons on the desktop? that way i won't be tempted to even use it
[16:05] <vinnl> cr4z3d, yep, Settings Manager again :)
[16:05] <vinnl> Under Desktop
[16:06] <cr4z3d> that settings manager is amazing it literally has everything
[16:06] <vinnl> :)
[16:14] <juanito> time for me to go
[16:14] <juanito> see you around
[16:14] <vinnl> Laters
[16:14] <juanito> bye friends
[16:15] <charlie-tca> good luck, juanito
[16:15] <juanito> thanks
[16:15] <juanito> take care
[16:22] <sheri_rao> i want to download xubutnu 8.04.2 but have not found it mirrow on on torrent
[18:04] <emma> hi hi
[18:05] <Besogon> emma, Tomorrow is International Women's Day.
[18:06] <emma> Besogon: really? Shows what I know.
[18:06] <emma> Besogon: Am I required to do something on that day?
[18:06] <emma> dress up.. dress down..
[18:07] <Besogon> emma, men must do present and congratulations to women.
[18:07] <emma> Figures they would make womans day on the day we only get 23 hours.
[18:14] <Besogon> emma, 8 March we give bouquet mimosas. So, demand somethink present from your boyfriend. ))))
[18:14] <emma> hehe
[18:21] <siznax> sup
[18:22] <siznax> anyone know anything about fan control on powerbook g4?
[18:22] <siznax> just installed xubuntu, and after about 30mins, my fan runs on high constantly.
[18:23] <siznax> also, the trackpad cursor is _very_ difficult to control.
[18:26] <siznax> so far, really happy to have Xubuntu on my older mac.
[18:30] <Besogon> I somethink heard about fan like this, ask this quastion in #ubuntu. There is more people. That problem is not only for Xubuntu. (I think).
[18:30] <siznax> good idea. thx!
[18:31] <Ishmael> what's a good site to find old drivers? my graphics driver is running vesa
[18:32] <Ishmael> and there's no support for the card anymore on the manufacturer website, it's a ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL AGP 2X
[18:37] <Besogon> What is your card name exactly. Did you try search at http://support.amd.com/?
[18:40] <Ishmael> Graphics chip:         ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL AGP 2X (rev 27)
[18:40] <Ishmael>  Driver in use:         vesa
[18:40] <Ishmael>  Rendering method:      AIGLX
[18:41] <siznax> wow, #ubuntu is busy.
[18:47] <Ishmael> amd is no help to me, it must be too old to support
[18:55] <SiDi> ATI Rage, definately too old :P
[19:01] <Besogon> Ishmael, May be this is will be work. Download driver for Windows then try this http://www.bauer-power.net/2007/09/using-windows-drivers-in-linux.html. But Im not shure.
[19:02] <vinnl> Besogon, that's for wireless card drivers
[19:02] <Besogon> Ishmael, there is driver for Windows http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/legacy-98me.aspx
[19:02] <vinnl> (I assume you're talking about graphics card drivers?)
[19:02] <Besogon> yes
[19:02] <Ishmael> oh wow
[19:02] <Besogon> we are
[19:03] <vinnl> Then that won't work
[19:03] <Besogon> Ishmael, Chanfge your graphics card or is it so hard for you?
[19:04] <Ishmael> at least you found me the discontinued driver page
[19:05] <Ishmael> it's not worth changing up
[19:05] <Ishmael> Besogon, i appreciate the find, maybe i can do something with this, at least now i can download the driver and work with it
[19:05] <Besogon> vinnl, why do you so sure?
[19:05] <Ishmael> SHUN THE NON BELIEVER
[19:06] <vinnl> Besogon, because ndiswrapper is for wireless cards
[19:06] <vinnl> CHARLIE!
[19:07] <Ishmael> CANDY MOUNTAIN CHARLIE
[19:07] <Ishmael> CHARLIE!
[19:07] <Ishmael> OH CHARLIE!
[19:07] <siznax>  got the fan to stop on my powerbook g4 by putting it on ice - literally. it's sitting on a gel pak from walgreens. nice n cool. my cpu load was always low, so why did my chip get so hot?
[19:08] <Ishmael> oh wow
[19:08] <Ishmael> watch out for condensation though, i had a friend who would set a bag full of ice on his, and eventually it fried
[19:08] <Ishmael> LIKE AN EGG
[19:10] <siznax> i put the laptop ON TOP of a cloth, under which lies a cool pak. maybe ok. i just want to know why it runs so hot now. just installed (x)ubuntu. no help on #ubuntu. i think it likely needs a kernel patch. any clues?
[19:11] <Ishmael> Besogon, you is my hero
[19:11] <Besogon> )
[19:11] <Ishmael> Besogon, i can extract that exe and get the drivers, and mess with them that way
[19:11] <Ishmael> brb gotta poop
[19:12] <vinnl> siznax, try doing a search on the internet, I suppose the problem has been encountered before
[19:15] <siznax> vinnl: thx. first thing i tried. only clues seem to have to do with kernel.
[19:16] <vinnl> :S
[19:17] <Besogon> siznax, man acpid. This is help you. Tune up the aspid or reinstall driver at first.
[19:33] <Ishmael> i run i2p and tor d:
[19:33] <Narcissus> Hey all
[19:34] <vinnl> !hi
[19:34] <Narcissus> heh
[19:34] <Narcissus> I'm having trouble with apt-get, (which worked perfectly on my previous installation on the same box), I get connect (22 Invalid argument) for some reason when running # apt-get update
[19:35] <Narcissus> And I'm running Xubuntu 8.04
[19:35] <Narcissus> My network proxy is configured correctly
[19:36] <Narcissus> and I can download and install packages via Synaptic
[19:36] <Narcissus> but I can't via aptitude or apt-get
[19:36] <Narcissus> >_<
[19:37] <vinnl> Do you happen to use a proxy? Some of the Google results mention that
[19:38] <Narcissus> Yes I am using a proxy, however, as far as I can tell, it is set up correctly
[19:38] <Narcissus> I have export http_proxy=wwwcache.aber.ac.uk:8080 as well as the same for ftp_proxy
[19:38] <vinnl> Narcissus, you might want to check the second post at the first result at
[19:38] <vinnl> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=connect+(22+Invalid+argument)&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=
[19:39] <Narcissus> yeah I checked that out earlier, and it still didn't help
[19:40] <vinnl> :(
[19:41] <Narcissus> Hmmm
[19:41] <Narcissus> I'll have a poke around a tad longer
[19:41] <vinnl> Yeah I guess so...
[19:52] <Narcissus> hmm it works if you add http_proxy="http://<proxy><port>" to /etc/environment
[19:54] <charlie-tca> Ishmael: vinnl is right about the driver; normally when a card is as old as ATI Rage, it is time to upgrade. The windows driver most likely will fail
[20:11] <Aquina> Aloha! :-)
[20:11] <vinnl> !hi
[20:21] <Narcissus> Bore da
[22:06] <Ishmael> charlie-tca, yeah, but with the server i'm trying to add in, it's a rack mounted server, so upgrading it would be a pointless endeavor, i'm trying to make due with what i have.
[22:07] <charlie-tca> I know that one. I replaced the ATI Rage Pro with a 4mb Savage that is working for me.
[22:07] <charlie-tca> It won't work for some people, maybe I just got lucky
[22:20] <Ishmael> well, this one looks embedded
[22:21] <Ishmael> i love my server
[22:21]  * Ishmael hugs server
[22:21] <Ishmael> ouch
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Yeah, not hot either?
[22:21] <Ishmael> hot?
[22:22] <charlie-tca> The server doesn't get hot?
[22:22] <Ishmael> not really, you know my model? it's a tag something or other, got it from a friend who got it from a company he worked for
[22:23] <Ishmael> i have the case open, so that might be helping, disconnected the TWO HUGE LOUD FANS
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Yeah, open cases seem to run cooler for me
[22:23] <charlie-tca> got no idea what model it is
[22:24] <Ishmael> heatsink is just warm to the touch
[22:24] <charlie-tca> very good
[22:25] <Ishmael> it's been running like this for a couple months, so it should be ok...i assume, if not, my friend isn't really using his other 3 servers, i should buy an extra processer from him (1 empty slot) and double the ram (plenty of space)
[22:25] <charlie-tca> more ram is always good
[22:30] <Ishmael> more cpu is always good
[22:30] <Ishmael> :D
[22:31]  * SiDi jealous
[22:32] <Ishmael> well, don't got it yet, i'll probably ask for my birthday or something ;)
[22:32] <Ishmael> brb, testing
[22:36] <SiDi> in september i'll have the internet and buy an awesomez0r server
[22:36] <SiDi> or a new GPU ... :P
[22:36] <knome> "have the internet" ? :P
[22:37] <charlie-tca> no doubt, buying the whole thing
[22:38] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:38] <knome> yeah.
[22:38] <SiDi> if i was to buy the whole internet
[22:38] <SiDi> i'd have 13 awesome DNS servers ^^
[22:38] <charlie-tca> we should be good to him, if we want to use it too ;)
[22:39] <SiDi> i'll let you :P
[22:39] <knome> if you bought it all, you wouldn't need 13 dns servers
[22:39] <SiDi> but all the domain names will end with .sidi !! :D
[22:39] <Ishmael> test FAILED
[22:39] <charlie-tca> At least you will which ones are you!
[22:39] <SiDi> knome, i was referring to the root dns servs :P
[22:40] <SiDi> can't believe some bitch stole my sidi.net domain, btw ;'(
[22:40] <knome> sidi, the cycling shoes
[22:40] <knome> am i right? :P
[22:40] <SiDi> yeh
[22:40] <SiDi> no it got stolen by one of those parasite companies that buy and resell domains
[22:40] <knome> \o/
[22:40] <SiDi> sidi shoes owns sidi.com
[22:40] <knome> knew without looking
[22:40] <SiDi> and sidi.eu belongs to an italian company
[22:41] <knome> a-ha
[22:41] <PKodon> Anyone know if there's some software I can use to find out whether the wireless router I'm connected to is using 64-bit or 128-bit WEP?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> SiDi: Yeah, They want to force you to pay them for the names
[22:41] <SiDi> charlie-tca, yeh :(
[22:41]  * SiDi 's waiting for .bzh domains to be available ! :(
[22:41] <knome> no problems with .fi domains.
[22:41] <charlie-tca> I know, they tried that with me
[22:42] <knome> you can't "park" them :)
[22:42] <SiDi> sidifi :p that could do
[22:42] <charlie-tca> You build one website, and point the rest at it, though
[22:42] <knome> ...but you need to be finnish
[22:42] <SiDi> knome, they do check? :(
[22:43] <knome> yepp!
[22:43] <charlie-tca> Depends on how it is done. I have keepingdreams.org parked for a long time now, and only use it for email
[22:43] <SiDi> hm sidi.info is free
[22:44] <knome> charlie-tca, using domain for email is enough.
[22:44] <charlie-tca> I see. I also have .net and .com, with .com in use, .net pointed there
[22:45] <SiDi> sidi.info is bought but totally unused T_T damn
[22:45] <charlie-tca> what was wrong with shiki-brave?
[22:45] <juanito_> hi friends
[22:46] <SiDi> hi hi
[22:46] <charlie-tca> oops
[22:46] <charlie-tca> hi
[22:46] <juanito_> hey
[22:46] <juanito_> i had a problem with xchat
[22:46] <knome> charlie-tca, Vinch_ said it's slow.
[22:46] <knome> vinnl i mean.
[22:47] <juanito_> it doesn't run
[22:47] <juanito_> i had to install konversation instead
[22:47] <PKodon> Okay, I guess no one knows. Off to try Google.
[22:47] <knome> PKodon, no one knows what?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> what was wrong with XChat?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> PKodon: don't know any answer. Might try #ubuntu
[22:48] <juanito_> i installed it using synaptic
[22:48] <juanito_> and when i launched it
[22:48] <charlie-tca> or #ubuntu-wireless
[22:48] <PKodon> charlie-tca: Oh, didn't look to see if there was such a channel.
[22:49] <PKodon> Thanks.
[22:49] <juanito_> it showed me the nicks  and all that and suddenly
[22:49] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:49] <juanito_> it fell down
[22:49] <charlie-tca> hurt it?
[22:49] <PKodon> I'm trying to fix wireless on a Win2000 machine, but Linksys wants to know how many bits before they will help.
[22:49] <juanito_> and now each time i want tu run it
[22:49] <juanito_> nothing happens
[22:50] <SiDi> should be forbidden not to use domain names :(
[22:50] <PKodon> My machine has the same wireless card, and I got it working.
[22:50] <PKodon> Anyway...
[22:50] <charlie-tca> juanito_: might have to log out and log in. Or did you install gnome-xchat?
[22:50] <charlie-tca> XChat should have been pre-installed; gnome-xchat has problems
[22:51] <juanito_> i unistalled it since i was tired of the situation
[22:51] <charlie-tca> SiDi: agreed
[22:51] <juanito_> and i installed konversation
[22:51] <charlie-tca> and it is working, right?
[22:51] <juanito_> ops i forgot to tell you that i'm now in ubuntu
[22:51] <PKodon> charlie-tca: Heh, no one there bot bots.
[22:52] <PKodon> Er, but bots.
[22:52] <charlie-tca> heh, probably didn't help, either
[22:52] <juanito_> i told you hours ago that i had two partitions
[22:52] <charlie-tca> yes, juanito_
[22:52] <charlie-tca> You are using konversation in Ubuntu?
[22:52] <juanito_> yes
[22:52] <juanito_> right now
[22:52] <juanito_> due to the problem with xchat
[22:53] <charlie-tca> ouch. I don't know why XChat failed you. It is all I use
[22:53] <juanito_> i wanted to ask you for help with this
[22:53] <juanito_> don't know either
[22:54] <charlie-tca> can't help, I don't know what happened to it. In Xubuntu, we install XChat for you, and it works
[22:54] <juanito_> i like xchat too
[22:54] <juanito_> yes i know that
[22:54] <juanito_> i did feel kind of relief when i found it installed
[22:54] <juanito_> jaja
[22:54] <juanito_> in xubuntu i mean
[22:56] <juanito_> my question now is if i will have any problem this way
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Not that I know of. It should be fine to do that
[22:58] <juanito_> just this morning i was thinking that i couldn't mix applications between desktops
[22:59] <charlie-tca> You can mix and match. It should work fine, but sometimes they will mess up, too.
[23:00] <juanito_> ok i will try to remember that
[23:02] <Myrtti> lolhelp, what happen! I can't type ~ on my keyboard anymore :-D (that was copypasted)
[23:03] <Myrtti> ooh. x must have had a hiccup, setting the keyboard layout in xfce to 105 fi helped
[23:15] <charlie-tca> So it is working again?
[23:18] <Myrtti> yeah
[23:20] <Mood> my man pages in xubuntu has functions of less. but my debian man does not. what does xubuntu's man have that debian's man doesn't?
[23:20] <juanito_> charlie-tca i would like to install amsn but i don't know if it works fine in xubuntu
[23:20] <juanito_> anyone using it?
[23:21] <knome> juqi've treid it. it should be fine.
[23:22] <knome> juanito_, ^
[23:22] <SiDi> it works
[23:22] <SiDi> but its ugly
[23:22] <juanito_> thnks knome
[23:22] <juanito_> i guess you all use pidgin
[23:23] <knome> bitlbee :P
[23:23] <SiDi> i use emesene because pidgin fails on proxified networks for MSN protocol
[23:23] <SiDi> and mibbit for IRC
[23:23] <SiDi> and when @ home, i use xchat and emesene, just because its installed :p
[23:23] <SiDi> (i purged pidgin, that *** was self-booting at xfce's startup, for no reason, it really made me crazy)
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Mood: no idea what is different, I never used Debian.
[23:26] <juanito_> i've heard abour emesene
[23:26] <charlie-tca> I guess I don't use anything.
[23:26] <juanito_> about*
[23:28] <charlie-tca> bbl
[23:28] <juanito_> amsn is working
[23:28] <juanito_> and very fast
[23:29] <Mood> charlie-tca: debian base install doesn't come with less installed while xubuntu does. installing less automatically makes man pager with less instead of more. i think that's why xubuntu's man pages with less out of the box
[23:31] <SiDi> Whats the difference between less n more ?
[23:33] <Mood> less is more than more :-)
[23:33] <Mood> less has more functions, like arrow keys, pageup/down, stringsearch capabilities while more doesn't
[23:34] <juanito_> hey
[23:35] <juanito_> when i try to run schat from terminal i get this error
[23:35] <juanito_> ops xchat
[23:35] <juanito_> sorry
[23:35] <juanito_> XChat CRITICAL *** default event text failed to build!
[23:35] <juanito_> Cancelado
[23:36] <juanito_> Canceled
[23:36] <juanito_> any ideas about that?
[23:39] <SiDi> no
[23:39] <juanito_> ;(