[02:08] <vauge> hello
[02:08] <LaserJock> hi
[02:09] <vauge> have a quick question about edubuntu
[02:10] <vauge> I did a 8.10 normal install with all updates... then ran apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[02:10] <vauge> there is no session login for edubuntu, should there be?
[02:11] <LaserJock> no
[02:11] <LaserJock> Edubuntu just gives you educational apps on top of Ubuntu
[02:12] <vauge> ok. there is now a kde selection, but it gives errors when attempting to login using it
[02:12] <LaserJock> hmm, odd
[02:12] <LaserJock> did you install edubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop-kde?
[02:13] <vauge> just edubuntu-desktop
[02:13] <LaserJock> I wouldn't have thought that the KDE Edu components would have gotten you a KDE session
[02:13] <LaserJock> don't worry about the KDE session then
[02:13] <vauge> kk :)
[02:13] <LaserJock> it apparently is just because we install KDE Edu parts
[02:13] <LaserJock> it's no the full KDE desktop
[02:13] <LaserJock> which is why it gave errors
[02:14] <vauge> that makes sense
[02:14] <LaserJock> vauge: thanks for bringing that up though, we should look into that, I can imagine it would be a bit confusing
[02:15] <vauge> it feels to work ok in gnome, but the session selection confused me a bit.
[02:15] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:15] <LaserJock> it's made for Gnome
[02:15] <LaserJock> even though there are some KDE Edu apps
[02:16] <LaserJock> they should still work fine in Gnome
[02:16] <vauge> all good. I use Amarok (don't tell anyone)
[02:16]  * LaserJock promises not to ;-)
[02:17] <vauge> heh, dansguardian... I can't seem to find it again in the wiki, but is there something unique about edubuntu and dan's?
[02:18] <LaserJock> no, if it worked with Ubuntu it should work with Edubuntu
[02:18] <vauge> awesome - thank you
[02:18] <LaserJock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers/DansGuardian perhaps?
[02:19] <vauge> got that one, was about to roll with it. But found another on edubuntu specific wiki
[02:20] <vauge> can't seem to find it again
[02:24] <vauge> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuProxy
[02:25] <LaserJock> weird, I don't know why that page is there
[02:31] <vauge> LaserJock, thank you much for your time
[02:32] <LaserJock> vauge: no problem, thanks for dropping by
[12:11]  * anom1 has deployed a Rover to try to find water (and life) in this channel.
[17:20] <rxKaffee> hi guys
[17:20] <rxKaffee> anyone know of some applications/games that would be age-appropriate for a 2yo?
[17:20] <rxKaffee> he loves to get at my keyboard, but it seems always when I do not need any extra keys pressed! lol
[17:20] <rxKaffee> so I figured I'd setup a secondary box for my son to play on while I'm working at my desktop
[18:01] <merriam> rxKaffee: Tux Paint
[18:01] <merriam> sudo apt-get install tuxpaint
[18:01] <merriam> and other packages under "junior"
[19:38] <rxKaffee> merriam: I think anything requiring much mouse, or any mouse with clicking, is a bit too advanced at this point
[19:39] <merriam> Yes, it's difficult, but it may be worth a try.
[19:40] <rxKaffee> maybe I can find one of those old ball-mice that used to be popular, trackball or whatever
[19:40] <merriam> You can get a new trackball.  They're still popular.  I'm using one.
[19:41] <rxKaffee> merriam: the ones with the stationary base, and the big ball sticking up out of the top?
[19:41] <merriam> Small ones are popular anyway, from Logitech.  You can still get new big ones too.
[19:41] <rxKaffee> well I'll be darn, I haven't seen any of those in years
[19:43] <merriam> http://cil614.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/kensington_trackball.jpg
[19:43] <rxKaffee> nifty
[19:43] <rxKaffee> looks fairly simple to take apart too
[19:47] <merriam> a bit smaller and optical, still available new:  http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143730  Kensington Orbit Optical Trackball - USB/PS2  £17.46inc vat
[19:50] <rxKaffee> hmm, seems to be a UK-only model number
[19:51] <rxKaffee> a very similar one(by the same name) is avail here though
[19:51] <rxKaffee> wonder why they'd have e seperate model number for europe
[19:53] <merriam> yes, and the larger one, on amazon, U.S.  Amazon.com: Kensington Orbit Optical Trackball Mouse 64327: Electronics
[19:53] <merriam> http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Orbit-Optical-Trackball-64327/dp/B00006W2QD/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1236541914&sr=8-1
[19:53] <merriam> Amazon.com: Kensington Expert Mouse Optical USB Trackball for PC or Mac 64325: Electronics
[19:53] <merriam> http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Mouse-Optical-Trackball/dp/B00009KH63/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1236541914&sr=8-2
[19:53] <rxKaffee> merriam: any idea the size of the clickbuttons on that orbit? I'm thinking just slightly larger than a standard mouse's?
[19:54] <merriam> I don't know the two-button ones, but there are scale cues in the pictures on that amazon page.
[19:54] <merriam> http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00006W2QD/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0
[19:55] <merriam> I have the big square one, and about 4 of the Logitech ones with the red thumb ball -- that's what I use.
[19:57] <merriam> TrackMan Wheel -- less suitable for a toddler, but more generally useful
[19:58] <rxKaffee> wheeeew! that expertmouse is a pricey buggar!
[19:58] <rxKaffee> well, not so much the one you linked me on amazon, but some of the other expermouse models that I'm seeing around, almust a hundred bucks
[19:59] <merriam> Yes, and it uses a lot of space too.  The Orbit will do.
[19:59] <rxKaffee> I'm guessing kensington make pretty good quality components eh?
[19:59] <rxKaffee> 'cause its gonna see a bit of abuse lol
[20:00] <merriam> The one I have wasn't built as well as I expected.  It hasn't broken, but it hasn't had much testing.
[20:01] <merriam> It's mechanical.  The optical type is generally worth the money.
[20:02] <merriam> I think Kensington stuff used to be sturdy and reliable, but maybe not any more.
[20:03] <rxKaffee> I was kinda hopeing to find a mechanical actually... I suspect he'll pop the ball off and realise playing with the light is more fun than using it to control the PC lol
[20:04] <merriam> Optical is more robust, and the old type is very annoying when it slips.
[20:06] <merriam> Until recently Kensington made a nice black usb keyboard with a standard layout, but I've worn out 3 of them.
[20:06] <merriam>  I'm back to a clicky IBM that says 1985 on the bottom.
[20:09] <merriam> The light on the Logitechs is invisble -- IR.  I have a Marble too.  I don't know about the others.
[20:11] <merriam> In my experience all the designs with central balls are very inefficient for general use.
[20:12] <rxKaffee> I looked at a couple of the logitech marbles, but they didn't really strike me as particularly toddler friendly for some indescribable reason
[20:12] <rxKaffee> I'm with ya on likeing those IBM clickers, with the modular cord design
[20:15] <merriam> Yes, the Marble is a bit small, and you can easily press buttons on it by mistake.
[20:16] <merriam> It's not so much that I like buckling springs.  Sometimes I want a quieter keyboard.  It's mainly that it still works perfectly.
[20:24] <rxKaffee> I like 'em cause of the positive-engagement of the keys
[20:24] <rxKaffee> which to me, makes the noise tolerable
[20:24] <rxKaffee> however, I've recently "upgraded" to an ergonomic keyboard
[20:24] <rxKaffee> microsoft natural ergonomic 4000
[20:25] <rxKaffee> I'd venture to say that next to Xenix, its the second best product MS has ever made lol
[20:25] <rxKaffee> its got the nice positive feel to the keys like an IBM, a more managable noise level, and some cool "extra" buttons that come in handy sometime
[20:25] <rxKaffee> haven't had it long enough though to know if it'll stand to the test of time