[02:08] hello [02:08] hi [02:09] have a quick question about edubuntu [02:10] I did a 8.10 normal install with all updates... then ran apt-get install edubuntu-desktop [02:10] there is no session login for edubuntu, should there be? [02:11] no [02:11] Edubuntu just gives you educational apps on top of Ubuntu [02:12] ok. there is now a kde selection, but it gives errors when attempting to login using it [02:12] hmm, odd [02:12] did you install edubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop-kde? [02:13] just edubuntu-desktop [02:13] I wouldn't have thought that the KDE Edu components would have gotten you a KDE session [02:13] don't worry about the KDE session then [02:13] kk :) [02:13] it apparently is just because we install KDE Edu parts [02:13] it's no the full KDE desktop [02:13] which is why it gave errors [02:14] that makes sense [02:14] vauge: thanks for bringing that up though, we should look into that, I can imagine it would be a bit confusing [02:15] it feels to work ok in gnome, but the session selection confused me a bit. [02:15] yeah [02:15] it's made for Gnome [02:15] even though there are some KDE Edu apps [02:16] they should still work fine in Gnome [02:16] all good. I use Amarok (don't tell anyone) [02:16] * LaserJock promises not to ;-) [02:17] heh, dansguardian... I can't seem to find it again in the wiki, but is there something unique about edubuntu and dan's? [02:18] no, if it worked with Ubuntu it should work with Edubuntu [02:18] awesome - thank you [02:18] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers/DansGuardian perhaps? [02:19] got that one, was about to roll with it. But found another on edubuntu specific wiki [02:20] can't seem to find it again [02:24] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuProxy [02:25] weird, I don't know why that page is there [02:31] LaserJock, thank you much for your time [02:32] vauge: no problem, thanks for dropping by [12:11] * anom1 has deployed a Rover to try to find water (and life) in this channel. [17:20] hi guys [17:20] anyone know of some applications/games that would be age-appropriate for a 2yo? [17:20] he loves to get at my keyboard, but it seems always when I do not need any extra keys pressed! lol [17:20] so I figured I'd setup a secondary box for my son to play on while I'm working at my desktop [18:01] rxKaffee: Tux Paint [18:01] sudo apt-get install tuxpaint [18:01] and other packages under "junior" [19:38] merriam: I think anything requiring much mouse, or any mouse with clicking, is a bit too advanced at this point [19:39] Yes, it's difficult, but it may be worth a try. [19:40] maybe I can find one of those old ball-mice that used to be popular, trackball or whatever [19:40] You can get a new trackball. They're still popular. I'm using one. [19:41] merriam: the ones with the stationary base, and the big ball sticking up out of the top? [19:41] Small ones are popular anyway, from Logitech. You can still get new big ones too. [19:41] well I'll be darn, I haven't seen any of those in years [19:43] http://cil614.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/kensington_trackball.jpg [19:43] nifty [19:43] looks fairly simple to take apart too [19:47] a bit smaller and optical, still available new: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143730 Kensington Orbit Optical Trackball - USB/PS2 £17.46inc vat [19:50] hmm, seems to be a UK-only model number [19:51] a very similar one(by the same name) is avail here though [19:51] wonder why they'd have e seperate model number for europe [19:53] yes, and the larger one, on amazon, U.S. Amazon.com: Kensington Orbit Optical Trackball Mouse 64327: Electronics [19:53] http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Orbit-Optical-Trackball-64327/dp/B00006W2QD/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1236541914&sr=8-1 [19:53] Amazon.com: Kensington Expert Mouse Optical USB Trackball for PC or Mac 64325: Electronics [19:53] http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Mouse-Optical-Trackball/dp/B00009KH63/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1236541914&sr=8-2 [19:53] merriam: any idea the size of the clickbuttons on that orbit? I'm thinking just slightly larger than a standard mouse's? [19:54] I don't know the two-button ones, but there are scale cues in the pictures on that amazon page. [19:54] http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00006W2QD/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0 [19:55] I have the big square one, and about 4 of the Logitech ones with the red thumb ball -- that's what I use. [19:57] TrackMan Wheel -- less suitable for a toddler, but more generally useful [19:58] wheeeew! that expertmouse is a pricey buggar! [19:58] well, not so much the one you linked me on amazon, but some of the other expermouse models that I'm seeing around, almust a hundred bucks [19:59] Yes, and it uses a lot of space too. The Orbit will do. [19:59] I'm guessing kensington make pretty good quality components eh? [19:59] 'cause its gonna see a bit of abuse lol [20:00] The one I have wasn't built as well as I expected. It hasn't broken, but it hasn't had much testing. [20:01] It's mechanical. The optical type is generally worth the money. [20:02] I think Kensington stuff used to be sturdy and reliable, but maybe not any more. [20:03] I was kinda hopeing to find a mechanical actually... I suspect he'll pop the ball off and realise playing with the light is more fun than using it to control the PC lol [20:04] Optical is more robust, and the old type is very annoying when it slips. [20:06] Until recently Kensington made a nice black usb keyboard with a standard layout, but I've worn out 3 of them. [20:06] I'm back to a clicky IBM that says 1985 on the bottom. [20:09] The light on the Logitechs is invisble -- IR. I have a Marble too. I don't know about the others. [20:11] In my experience all the designs with central balls are very inefficient for general use. [20:12] I looked at a couple of the logitech marbles, but they didn't really strike me as particularly toddler friendly for some indescribable reason [20:12] I'm with ya on likeing those IBM clickers, with the modular cord design [20:15] Yes, the Marble is a bit small, and you can easily press buttons on it by mistake. [20:16] It's not so much that I like buckling springs. Sometimes I want a quieter keyboard. It's mainly that it still works perfectly. [20:24] I like 'em cause of the positive-engagement of the keys [20:24] which to me, makes the noise tolerable [20:24] however, I've recently "upgraded" to an ergonomic keyboard [20:24] microsoft natural ergonomic 4000 [20:25] I'd venture to say that next to Xenix, its the second best product MS has ever made lol [20:25] its got the nice positive feel to the keys like an IBM, a more managable noise level, and some cool "extra" buttons that come in handy sometime [20:25] haven't had it long enough though to know if it'll stand to the test of time === meuaeuou is now known as Meshezabeel === sancas_ is now known as sancas