/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/03/08/#ubuntu-irc.txt

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jester-hi11:58
A4Techok13:03
bazhangA4Tech, no trolling from there13:03
bazhangie zero tolerance.13:03
A4Techbazhang I still would like to ask you about one, you necessarily always sit with the +o on the channel?13:04
bazhangA4Tech, no; I became +o to kickban jillsmitt13:05
bazhangA4Tech, I am waiting to see what offoffoff tries13:05
A4Tech(16:05:21) bazhang: A4Tech, no; I became +o to kickban jillsmitt => This is understandable:)13:05
bazhanghe is still in #kubuntu now and think it is 'fun'13:05
A4Techbazhang Offoffoff normal person, I do not think that it will be trolls there, probably just read channel13:07
bazhangA4Tech, he joined #kubuntu to see if it was fun; that is not OK13:07
bazhangA4Tech, after problems in -women of past, there is ZERO tolerance of trolling from there.13:08
A4Techbazhang not to deal with them so strongly, that he now helps people on the channel13:09
MyrttiI find it weird that people think trolling on IRC is fun13:09
bazhangA4Tech, no.13:09
bazhangA4Tech, trolling is NOT okay. they will have to learn the hard way if they continue.13:10
elkyA4Tech, do you have the phrase 'birds of a feather' in russian?13:10
MyrttiI can't translate that into Finnish, that much I know13:11
A4Techbazhang where I said that trolling is good?13:11
bazhangA4Tech, you said dont treat them so strongly; jillsmitt continued after being warned then called me devil in -ru and after further warnings continued.13:11
A4Techbazhang I talked about Offoffoff13:12
bazhangA4Tech, if he behaves then he is fine; but joining a channel to watch someone else trolling seems to be 'joining in the fun', as he said 'is it fun?'13:13
elkyA4Tech, when people see someone come in, and they can see that they are associated with the troll, they think that they are also trolls. offoffoff, and others, need to understand to not follow trolls around, or they will be seen as trolls.13:13
A4Techomg13:13
bazhangA4Tech, asking 'is it fun' seems to indicate he wanted a 'fun show' to laugh at; and after what happened in past in -women, that is simply NOT ok. please do not say it is different culture.13:14
A4Techoffoffoff you said that he had gone to look like the trolls?13:14
bazhangA4Tech, #ubuntu-ru is an official Ubuntu channel and needs to follow the code of conduct as do all others.13:15
bazhangA4Tech, he joined to watch the 'fun'13:15
bazhangA4Tech, the exact words he said.13:15
A4Techbazhang me a little bit difficult to translate complex sentences. may continue in Russian?13:16
bazhangA4Tech, this is very simple: trolling, joining in/joining to watch is a part of trolling; especially when he says 'is it fun?'13:16
elkybazhang, continue in russian, but do it here, for posterity.13:17
elkywe can translate it at a later date if we need to.13:17
bazhangA4Tech, you seem to forget the sexual harassment of #ubuntu-women that led to this zero tolerance policy.13:17
A4Techbazhang these were not adequate, people13:18
_kermit_You banned him well. What are problems? Offoffoff good op.13:18
bazhang_kermit_, ??13:20
MyrttiI'm not saying this is the case, as I don't know the circumstances, but...13:22
A4Techbazhang13:23
MyrttiI've seen cases in other networks of channel ops who might have not been matured and acquainted with the IRC culture well enough, to go to other channels and either watch a troll fest or even participate in it for fun13:23
Myrttiin any case, it gives a bad impression of the channel13:23
A4Techbazhang I am now talking with offoffoff and said that he went there just so, and you started talking to him that he was leaving13:24
Myrttithough13:24
bazhangA4Tech, if offoffoff is a 'good op' then he has NO reason to join when another user is trolling, and ask 'is it fun?'13:24
Myrttithere is an option to be considered, that the op in question went in and followed what's happening in order to monitor the behaviour of the troll13:24
Myrttibazhang: it might have been sarcasm?13:24
MyrttiI do that myself too often :-/13:24
A4Techbazhang offoffoff is not op13:25
bazhangA4Tech, if he joined and said something like 'jillsmitt stop that' then that is one thing; but he did not.13:25
bazhangMyrtti, perhaps, but the particular circumstances, and the history of trolling from that channel would perhaps lead one to different conclusions as well13:26
Myrttitrue, dat13:28
A4Techbazhang did you want to say that the operators were not in place when the trolls. "'is it fun?'"13:28
bazhangA4Tech, I told jillsmitt to stop trolling in #kubuntu when he and I were in #kubuntu13:29
bazhangA4Tech, he ignored me, called me freak and other not nice things13:29
bazhangA4Tech, then I warned him in #ubuntu-ru to stop.13:29
OffoffoffI did not do it13:30
bazhangOffoffoff, then joined #kubuntu and said 'where are the ops' 'is it fun' A4Tech13:30
OffoffoffI said13:30
A4Techbazhang  about him (jillsmitt), I agree that he was in the ban13:30
Offoffoff"And where is ops?"13:30
bazhangOffoffoff, following to watch other people troll looks like you are joining in the trolling, especially with what you said13:31
Offoffoffmindcrime?13:31
bazhang<Offoffoff> And where is ops?13:31
bazhang<Offoffoff> is it fun?13:31
bazhangOffoffoff, you joined to watch jillsmitt?13:32
Offoffoffyap13:32
Offoffoffso what?13:32
bazhangOffoffoff, or you joined just coincidentally at that same time13:32
bazhangOffoffoff, and the 'is it fun?' comment?13:33
OffoffoffI saw 20:53:10) bazhang: jillsmitt, stop trolling in #kubuntu13:33
bazhangOffoffoff, you think trolling other channels is fun?13:33
Offoffoffthat is why I came there13:33
bazhangOffoffoff, watching others / joining to watch others troll is fun?13:34
OffoffoffI was watching what kind of conflict is growing13:34
bazhangOffoffoff, and the comment 'is it fun?'13:35
OffoffoffAnd I was asking13:35
MyrttiI think your definition of fun is a bit distorted, but that's my opinion, you're allowed to have yours. I certainly hope you wouldn't have JOINED in trolling.13:35
OffoffoffWhere is (are) ops?13:35
bazhangOffoffoff, I am asking you think watching others troll is fun?13:35
OffoffoffI mean - where are ops... It is fun - troll is here and no ops are here.13:36
bazhangOffoffoff, that comment about 'is it fun?' is very hard to understand13:37
OffoffoffThey used to be together13:37
Offoffoffbazhang: well... maybe13:37
bazhangOffoffoff, so you think joining to watch others troll is fun then?13:37
Offoffofferrrrr13:38
bazhangOffoffoff, then laughing about it back in #ubuntu-ru 'hehe we are trolling another channel' ??13:38
Offoffoffbazhang: did you see that?13:39
bazhangOffoffoff, I can translate the full logs surrounding that time frame for all if you wish13:39
bazhangOffoffoff, I am asking you.13:39
Offoffoffbazhang: are you trying to build conception of mindcrime?13:39
Offoffoff1984 is here?13:40
bazhangOffoffoff, no.13:40
OffoffoffI came there to see13:40
Offoffoffwhat kind of conflict is growing13:41
bazhangOffoffoff, I am asking you: 'do you think that is a fun thing-->watching others from #ubuntu-ru troll the other channels13:41
OffoffoffSometimes trollers are not trollers.13:41
bazhang<rimvis> hi i have one problem youtube.com doesn't work me from linux firefox how can i saw clips?13:41
OffoffoffThey are trying to protect their point of view13:42
bazhang<jillsmitt> rimvis: there is no spoon13:42
bazhang<bazhang> jillsmitt, dont troll here13:42
bazhang<jillsmitt> bazhang: hey... do you see the LOG of this room? omg this is very stupid enter-exit logs13:42
bazhang<jillsmitt> get out of my chat window fresk13:42
bazhang<bazhang> !ot > jillsmitt13:43
bazhang<jillsmitt> freak*13:43
bazhang<jillsmitt> bazhang: i said get out of my back13:43
bazhang<jillsmitt> bazhang: say to my mom about troll!13:43
bazhang Offoffoff (n=Offoffof@loft1436.serverloft.com) has joined #kubuntu13:44
OffoffoffHe was a little bit harsh...13:44
bazhang<Offoffoff> And where is ops?13:44
bazhang<Offoffoff> is it fun?13:44
bazhang<bazhang> Offoffoff, please return to -ru13:44
bazhang<Offoffoff> why so?13:45
Offoffoffit is fun to see troll and doing nothing?13:45
Offoffoff(20:53:10) bazhang: jillsmitt, stop trolling in #kubuntu13:45
Offoffoffand after that I was there13:45
bazhangOffoffoff, to watch the fun?13:46
OffoffoffI saying third time, I was interested in what happens at #kubuntu13:46
OffoffoffThere is no fun at all in our life13:47
bazhangno excuse.13:48
bazhangOffoffoff, you still there?14:03
bazhangOffoffoff, please do not join other channels when you hear that they are going to troll or are trolling there; it looks like you are a part of it, whether you are or not.14:03
Offoffoffwell14:03
Offoffoffbazhang: 1984?14:04
bazhangOffoffoff, ??14:04
Offoffoffbazhang: mindcrime?14:04
bazhangOffoffoff, so you will join to watch then?14:04
bazhangOffoffoff, okay. Thanks for your time.14:05
erUSULFYI i received this: 16:33 <uha> irc://irc.esylum.net/bishes-Chat - Type !Latest for access to our Pre Channel - Get Moviez FaSTeR - Whites Only  - No NeGros Allowed15:37
bazhangk-lined15:37
erUSULok; that was quick XD15:38
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[NikO]erUSUL: we receive too, on #ubuntu-fr16:11
LjLcouncil, incoming fellow who wants #ubuntu-ko ownership16:45
jpdsHey Jihui_Choi, you have mail from me.16:45
Jihui_ChoiExcuse me? I'm sorry I don't know about which mail.16:46
jpdsRe: How to get the address, ubuntu-kr.org?16:47
Jihui_ChoiAh.. I get it. you must be jonathan16:47
Jihui_ChoiGreat. Thank you so much. I'll send you the infomation ASAP16:49
MyrttiJihui_Choi: is all the korean irc activity usually in hananet?16:50
Jihui_Choimost of all people use irc.hanirc.org.16:51
Myrttiyeah, that's what I meant16:51
Jihui_ChoiSo we plan to use #ubuntu-ko channel as our official support channel16:51
MyrttiI noticed when I popped in at #ubuntu-ko that there's only a few people there16:52
Jihui_ChoiMyrtti: right. that's our problem. But we'll make to be active.16:53
Myrttithere's been a few korean speakers in #ubuntu and our !factoid is in english, I was wondering would you have a suggestion for a korean one?16:53
Jihui_Choifor example, such as using web-irc program, peopel who needs to help visit #ubuntu-ko on irc.freenode.net instead of #ubuntu on irc.hanirc.org16:54
Jihui_ChoiMyrtti: Pardon? I'm sorry. my english is very poor.16:54
jpds!ko16:54
ubottuFor Korean help, /join #ubuntu-ko16:54
Jihui_Choiwould you explain ?16:54
Myrttiwell you see, if a german speaker comes to channel, we give him !de16:54
Myrtti!de16:54
ubottuIn den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.16:54
Myrttithat's in German16:55
jpdsJihui_Choi: We'd like a Korean suggestiong for that bot message.^16:55
Myrttibut the !ko is in Korean16:55
Myrttier16:55
MyrttiEnglish16:55
Myrttisince none of us can any :-/16:55
Jihui_ChoiI don't have permission.16:55
Myrttithat's not a problem :-D16:55
Jihui_ChoiThat't the reason why I join this channel now16:55
Myrttijust make a suggestion :-)16:55
Jihui_Choithere's no one who have a permission for changing topic or welcome message..16:56
Jihui_ChoiI'm sorry. Even I'm a contact, but I'm beginner for irc.freenode.net or irc16:57
jpdsJihui_Choi: The bot has nothing to do with the channel; could you give us the Korean way of saying: "For help in Korean, please /join #ubuntu-ko" ?16:58
jpdsAs for the channel, we'll have to wait till Pricey, or nalioth comes back.16:58
Jihui_Choisuch as "도움이 필요하시면 다음 채널에 조인하십시오. /join #ubuntu-ko" ?16:59
MK-BBHi, I'm here to help jihui16:59
Jihui_Choithank you MK-BB16:59
Myrtti@login16:59
ubottuThe operation succeeded.16:59
MK-BBWhat's happening?16:59
Jihui_Choi!ko17:00
ubottuFor Korean help, /join #ubuntu-ko17:00
Myrtti!no ko is <reply> 도움이 필요하시면 다음 채널에 조인하십시오. /join #ubuntu-ko17:00
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti17:00
Myrtti!ko17:00
ubottu도움이 필요하시면 다음 채널에 조인하십시오. /join #ubuntu-ko17:00
Jihui_Choi!ko17:00
Myrttithere we go ♥17:00
MK-BBSounds good17:00
jpdsNow when someone comes into #ubuntu asking for help in Korean, we'll be able to point them to #ubuntu-ko with that.17:01
Jihui_ChoiDoes it work? how to see the message?17:01
MK-BBOk17:01
MyrttiJihui_Choi: yeah, now it works17:02
Jihui_ChoiMyrtti: I see. thank you. :)17:02
MyrttiJihui_Choi: the bot doesn't give the factoid if someone has just asked it17:02
Myrttia flood protection17:02
Jihui_Choiah..17:02
Myrttiprobably if someone would do !ko now, it would show the message again17:02
MK-BBOk17:03
Jihui_ChoiBTW it looks really great. Many of korean aren't familiar in English.17:03
Zic!fr17:03
ubottuCe canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr17:03
Jihui_ChoiThank you again. :)17:03
Zicgood :}17:04
jpdsZic: Bonjour!17:04
naliothjpds: what are we waiting on?17:04
Zicjpds: hey, bonjour :)17:04
MK-BB!ko17:04
ubottu도움이 필요하시면 다음 채널에 조인하십시오. /join #ubuntu-ko17:04
Myrttinalioth: you17:04
Myrtti17:04
Jihui_ChoiAnd I'd like to know how to get the ownership of #ubuntu-ko17:04
naliothJihui_Choi: first, please identify to nickserv17:04
Jihui_ChoiAtie registered the channel about 2-3 years ago. but he isn't anymore17:04
LjLJihui_Choi: sorry, i wasn't following - are you in the official korean team? that would help17:05
MyrttiLjL: he's a contact on the locoteams page17:05
MK-BBYes he is17:05
naliothMK-BB: please identify to services17:05
jpdsLjL: They got approval last month: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KoreanTeam/ApprovalApplication#Result17:05
naliothJihui_Choi: MK-BB: logging in with services is what allows you to operate channels and take advantage of the options freenode offers channel operators17:07
Jihui_Choinalioth: I see. but I need to find my password -_-; I think I forget.17:08
MK-BBIll help him set up17:08
MK-BBSoon17:08
MK-BBJihui_Choi: make nerw17:08
jpdsIf you'd like, you can have your password reset.17:09
Jihui_Choijpds: would you tell me how to?17:09
naliothJihui_Choi: watch your email  :)17:10
jpdsJihui_Choi: Ask a member of Freenode staff and they'll mail you a new one.17:10
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Myrttior just did :-)17:11
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doctormoShould I request an irc 'cloak'?17:17
Jihui_Choiwow.. I done to identify my nick17:18
MK-ubuntui'm done as well17:19
MK-ubuntuguys17:20
MK-ubuntuLjL,17:20
MK-ubuntudo you know where we could get chanserv owner changed?17:20
MK-ubuntunalioth,17:20
MK-ubuntuu there?17:20
LjLMK-ubuntu: the irc council here can help you with that17:20
naliothMK-ubuntu: Jihui_Choi we are working on that right now17:20
MK-ubuntuok17:20
MK-ubuntuthank you17:21
naliothMK-ubuntu: Jihui_Choi: you see, until you're identified to nickserv, we have no idea who you are17:21
MK-ubuntubut we are both identified17:21
doctormonalioth: then you know who I am then?17:21
MK-ubuntuso are we good?17:21
naliothyes, just recently17:21
Jihui_Choinalioth: I've done to identify17:21
naliothJihui_Choi: you are familiar with Ubuntu and freenode channel guidelines, right?17:23
Jihui_Choinalioth: honestly I'm not. But I read it and I'll try to be familiar17:25
Jihui_Choiand the basic concepts and manners on irc, I know and I'm familiar.17:26
naliothJihui_Choi: you can message any ubot* with "guidelines"  and the freenode guidelines are at http://freenode.net17:27
naliothenjoy  :)17:27
MK-ubuntunalioth, so chanserv will come in or what?17:27
jpdsMK-ubuntu: See: /msg ChanServ help set guard17:27
Jihui_Choinalioth: you mean this page, right? http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml17:27
Myrttialso17:28
Myrtti!guidelines17:28
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines17:28
naliothMK-ubuntu: the channel options are up to Jihui_Choi17:28
Myrttithat's for ubuntu, but most of the stuff *should* apply to loco channels17:28
Jihui_ChoiI see. the first one I already read. but for second I have to17:28
Myrttithat's for #ubuntu, but most of the stuff *should* apply to loco channels17:29
MK-ubuntunalioth, ok..17:29
khanh_coltechMK-ubuntu: http://t0x.in/ircfreenode.html can help you17:29
MK-ubuntuthank u17:29
MK-ubuntui'm little familar w/ chanserv17:30
Jihui_ChoiIs it done?17:31
Jihui_Choiwow.. I think it needs few days at least.17:31
jpdsJihui_Choi: Yes, you are now the contact for #u-ko: /msg ChanServ info #ubuntu-ko17:31
Jihui_Choi/msg ChanServ info #ubuntu-ko17:32
Jihui_ChoiI checked, Founder    : JiHui_Choi17:33
jpdsIt's all yours.17:33
Jihui_ChoiThank you jpds, nalioth, Myrtti, and LjL17:33
MK-ubuntuthank you17:33
MK-ubuntu~17:33
Myrttino probs :-)17:34
Jihui_Choi:)17:34
naliothJihui_Choi: /msg chanserv help17:42
MK-ubuntuhe got it17:42
MK-ubuntui helped helped out17:42
MK-ubuntunalioth, we're just working on the domain now17:43
Jihui_Choijpds, you need the ip address of our current domain, right?17:43
Jihui_ChoiI mean, the result $ nslookup ubuntu.or.kr17:44
jpdsJihui_Choi: No, I just needa gnupg-signed message with what you want.17:44
Jihui_Choihumm.. so.. I have to find our how to send a gnupg-signed message. ;;;17:45
Jihui_ChoiEverything is difficult for me.17:45
jpdsJihui_Choi: Forget it; so, you'd like ubuntu-kr.org to go to 61.72.254.234 ?17:46
Jihui_Choiyes. correct. :)17:46
jpdsOne moment please.17:47
Jihui_ChoiOK. Thank you a lot. :)17:47
jpdsJihui_Choi: Changes applied to master LoCo DNS server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/128404/17:50
MK-ubuntujpds, thank you17:50
jpdsIt may take up to 24 hours for the change to spread through the internet.17:51
Jihui_Choijpds: thank you again :)17:51
jpdsOK; looks like you have to configure Apache to accept the new domain.17:52
Jihui_ChoiOf course. I'll ask the server admin to add new domain.17:53
MK-ubuntulooks good17:53
jpdsIf you need anything else, just ask. :)17:54
MK-ubuntuthank you^^17:54
Jihui_Choijpds: OK. Thank you. :)17:54
MK-ubuntunalioth, how do you make your address like that?18:02
MK-ubuntuubuntu/~/~18:02
jpdsMK-ubuntu: You have to be an Ubuntu member, please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Cloaks for details.18:03
MK-ubuntuok18:04
MK-ubuntui have to request one?18:05
MK-ubuntujpds, so18:06
MK-ubuntucan you help me w/ this?18:06
jpdsMK-ubuntu: Link to your Launchpad page please?18:06
MK-ubuntuone sec18:07
MK-ubuntuhttps://launchpad.net/~team1ab18:07
naliothMK-ubuntu: /msg ubottu member18:07
MK-ubuntunalioth, jpds, i'm done w/ openpga code18:16
MK-ubuntuwhat else has to be done?18:20
Myrttiyour input to the ubuntu community has to be evaluated by a council, either EMEA for your region or the MOTU18:21
Myrtti!member18:21
ubottuWant to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember18:21
MK-ubuntuㅐㅏ18:22
MK-ubuntuok18:22
Myrttibut you can get an unaffiliated one that says @unaffiliated/nick at #freenode just by asking18:26
MK-ubuntuok18:26
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ubot4In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said: #ubuntu isn't the "lobby", it is the support channel22:09
ubot4In #ubuntu-ops, LjL said: #ubuntu is for support, and #ubuntu-offtopic is for general mostly ubuntu-related discussion. neither is to make decisions about anything22:09
* Seeker` kicks bot22:09
Nafallolol22:11
Myrttistjuuped piece of rubbish python22:17
* Nafallo smiles22:18
jpdsFixed now.22:19

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