[11:58] <jester-> hi
[13:03] <A4Tech> ok
[13:03] <bazhang> A4Tech, no trolling from there
[13:03] <bazhang> ie zero tolerance.
[13:04] <A4Tech> bazhang I still would like to ask you about one, you necessarily always sit with the +o on the channel?
[13:05] <bazhang> A4Tech, no; I became +o to kickban jillsmitt
[13:05] <bazhang> A4Tech, I am waiting to see what offoffoff tries
[13:05] <A4Tech> (16:05:21) bazhang: A4Tech, no; I became +o to kickban jillsmitt => This is understandable:)
[13:05] <bazhang> he is still in #kubuntu now and think it is 'fun'
[13:07] <A4Tech> bazhang Offoffoff normal person, I do not think that it will be trolls there, probably just read channel
[13:07] <bazhang> A4Tech, he joined #kubuntu to see if it was fun; that is not OK
[13:08] <bazhang> A4Tech, after problems in -women of past, there is ZERO tolerance of trolling from there.
[13:09] <A4Tech> bazhang not to deal with them so strongly, that he now helps people on the channel
[13:09] <Myrtti> I find it weird that people think trolling on IRC is fun
[13:09] <bazhang> A4Tech, no.
[13:10] <bazhang> A4Tech, trolling is NOT okay. they will have to learn the hard way if they continue.
[13:10] <elky> A4Tech, do you have the phrase 'birds of a feather' in russian?
[13:11] <Myrtti> I can't translate that into Finnish, that much I know
[13:11] <A4Tech> bazhang where I said that trolling is good?
[13:11] <bazhang> A4Tech, you said dont treat them so strongly; jillsmitt continued after being warned then called me devil in -ru and after further warnings continued.
[13:12] <A4Tech> bazhang I talked about Offoffoff
[13:13] <bazhang> A4Tech, if he behaves then he is fine; but joining a channel to watch someone else trolling seems to be 'joining in the fun', as he said 'is it fun?'
[13:13] <elky> A4Tech, when people see someone come in, and they can see that they are associated with the troll, they think that they are also trolls. offoffoff, and others, need to understand to not follow trolls around, or they will be seen as trolls.
[13:13] <A4Tech> omg
[13:14] <bazhang> A4Tech, asking 'is it fun' seems to indicate he wanted a 'fun show' to laugh at; and after what happened in past in -women, that is simply NOT ok. please do not say it is different culture.
[13:14] <A4Tech> offoffoff you said that he had gone to look like the trolls?
[13:15] <bazhang> A4Tech, #ubuntu-ru is an official Ubuntu channel and needs to follow the code of conduct as do all others.
[13:15] <bazhang> A4Tech, he joined to watch the 'fun'
[13:15] <bazhang> A4Tech, the exact words he said.
[13:16] <A4Tech> bazhang me a little bit difficult to translate complex sentences. may continue in Russian?
[13:16] <bazhang> A4Tech, this is very simple: trolling, joining in/joining to watch is a part of trolling; especially when he says 'is it fun?'
[13:17] <elky> bazhang, continue in russian, but do it here, for posterity.
[13:17] <elky> we can translate it at a later date if we need to.
[13:17] <bazhang> A4Tech, you seem to forget the sexual harassment of #ubuntu-women that led to this zero tolerance policy.
[13:18] <A4Tech> bazhang these were not adequate, people
[13:18] <_kermit_> You banned him well. What are problems? Offoffoff good op.
[13:20] <bazhang> _kermit_, ??
[13:22] <Myrtti> I'm not saying this is the case, as I don't know the circumstances, but...
[13:23] <A4Tech> bazhang
[13:23] <Myrtti> I've seen cases in other networks of channel ops who might have not been matured and acquainted with the IRC culture well enough, to go to other channels and either watch a troll fest or even participate in it for fun
[13:23] <Myrtti> in any case, it gives a bad impression of the channel
[13:24] <A4Tech> bazhang I am now talking with offoffoff and said that he went there just so, and you started talking to him that he was leaving
[13:24] <Myrtti> though
[13:24] <bazhang> A4Tech, if offoffoff is a 'good op' then he has NO reason to join when another user is trolling, and ask 'is it fun?'
[13:24] <Myrtti> there is an option to be considered, that the op in question went in and followed what's happening in order to monitor the behaviour of the troll
[13:24] <Myrtti> bazhang: it might have been sarcasm?
[13:24] <Myrtti> I do that myself too often :-/
[13:25] <A4Tech> bazhang offoffoff is not op
[13:25] <bazhang> A4Tech, if he joined and said something like 'jillsmitt stop that' then that is one thing; but he did not.
[13:26] <bazhang> Myrtti, perhaps, but the particular circumstances, and the history of trolling from that channel would perhaps lead one to different conclusions as well
[13:28] <Myrtti> true, dat
[13:28] <A4Tech> bazhang did you want to say that the operators were not in place when the trolls. "'is it fun?'"
[13:29] <bazhang> A4Tech, I told jillsmitt to stop trolling in #kubuntu when he and I were in #kubuntu
[13:29] <bazhang> A4Tech, he ignored me, called me freak and other not nice things
[13:29] <bazhang> A4Tech, then I warned him in #ubuntu-ru to stop.
[13:30] <Offoffoff> I did not do it
[13:30] <bazhang> Offoffoff, then joined #kubuntu and said 'where are the ops' 'is it fun' A4Tech
[13:30] <Offoffoff> I said
[13:30] <A4Tech> bazhang  about him (jillsmitt), I agree that he was in the ban
[13:30] <Offoffoff> "And where is ops?"
[13:31] <bazhang> Offoffoff, following to watch other people troll looks like you are joining in the trolling, especially with what you said
[13:31] <Offoffoff> mindcrime?
 And where is ops?
 is it fun?
[13:32] <bazhang> Offoffoff, you joined to watch jillsmitt?
[13:32] <Offoffoff> yap
[13:32] <Offoffoff> so what?
[13:32] <bazhang> Offoffoff, or you joined just coincidentally at that same time
[13:33] <bazhang> Offoffoff, and the 'is it fun?' comment?
[13:33] <Offoffoff> I saw 20:53:10) bazhang: jillsmitt, stop trolling in #kubuntu
[13:33] <bazhang> Offoffoff, you think trolling other channels is fun?
[13:33] <Offoffoff> that is why I came there
[13:34] <bazhang> Offoffoff, watching others / joining to watch others troll is fun?
[13:34] <Offoffoff> I was watching what kind of conflict is growing
[13:35] <bazhang> Offoffoff, and the comment 'is it fun?'
[13:35] <Offoffoff> And I was asking
[13:35] <Myrtti> I think your definition of fun is a bit distorted, but that's my opinion, you're allowed to have yours. I certainly hope you wouldn't have JOINED in trolling.
[13:35] <Offoffoff> Where is (are) ops?
[13:35] <bazhang> Offoffoff, I am asking you think watching others troll is fun?
[13:36] <Offoffoff> I mean - where are ops... It is fun - troll is here and no ops are here.
[13:37] <bazhang> Offoffoff, that comment about 'is it fun?' is very hard to understand
[13:37] <Offoffoff> They used to be together
[13:37] <Offoffoff> bazhang: well... maybe
[13:37] <bazhang> Offoffoff, so you think joining to watch others troll is fun then?
[13:38] <Offoffoff> errrrr
[13:38] <bazhang> Offoffoff, then laughing about it back in #ubuntu-ru 'hehe we are trolling another channel' ??
[13:39] <Offoffoff> bazhang: did you see that?
[13:39] <bazhang> Offoffoff, I can translate the full logs surrounding that time frame for all if you wish
[13:39] <bazhang> Offoffoff, I am asking you.
[13:39] <Offoffoff> bazhang: are you trying to build conception of mindcrime?
[13:40] <Offoffoff> 1984 is here?
[13:40] <bazhang> Offoffoff, no.
[13:40] <Offoffoff> I came there to see
[13:41] <Offoffoff> what kind of conflict is growing
[13:41] <bazhang> Offoffoff, I am asking you: 'do you think that is a fun thing-->watching others from #ubuntu-ru troll the other channels
[13:41] <Offoffoff> Sometimes trollers are not trollers.
 hi i have one problem youtube.com doesn't work me from linux firefox how can i saw clips?
[13:42] <Offoffoff> They are trying to protect their point of view
 rimvis: there is no spoon
 jillsmitt, dont troll here
 bazhang: hey... do you see the LOG of this room? omg this is very stupid enter-exit logs
 get out of my chat window fresk
 !ot > jillsmitt
 freak*
 bazhang: i said get out of my back
 bazhang: say to my mom about troll!
[13:44] <bazhang>  Offoffoff (n=Offoffof@loft1436.serverloft.com) has joined #kubuntu
[13:44] <Offoffoff> He was a little bit harsh...
 And where is ops?
 is it fun?
 Offoffoff, please return to -ru
 why so?
[13:45] <Offoffoff> it is fun to see troll and doing nothing?
[13:45] <Offoffoff> (20:53:10) bazhang: jillsmitt, stop trolling in #kubuntu
[13:45] <Offoffoff> and after that I was there
[13:46] <bazhang> Offoffoff, to watch the fun?
[13:46] <Offoffoff> I saying third time, I was interested in what happens at #kubuntu
[13:47] <Offoffoff> There is no fun at all in our life
[13:48] <bazhang> no excuse.
[14:03] <bazhang> Offoffoff, you still there?
[14:03] <bazhang> Offoffoff, please do not join other channels when you hear that they are going to troll or are trolling there; it looks like you are a part of it, whether you are or not.
[14:03] <Offoffoff> well
[14:04] <Offoffoff> bazhang: 1984?
[14:04] <bazhang> Offoffoff, ??
[14:04] <Offoffoff> bazhang: mindcrime?
[14:04] <bazhang> Offoffoff, so you will join to watch then?
[14:05] <bazhang> Offoffoff, okay. Thanks for your time.
[15:37] <erUSUL> FYI i received this: 16:33 <uha> irc://irc.esylum.net/bishes-Chat - Type !Latest for access to our Pre Channel - Get Moviez FaSTeR - Whites Only  - No NeGros Allowed
[15:37] <bazhang> k-lined
[15:38] <erUSUL> ok; that was quick XD
[16:11] <[NikO]> erUSUL: we receive too, on #ubuntu-fr
[16:45] <LjL> council, incoming fellow who wants #ubuntu-ko ownership
[16:45] <jpds> Hey Jihui_Choi, you have mail from me.
[16:46] <Jihui_Choi> Excuse me? I'm sorry I don't know about which mail.
[16:47] <jpds> Re: How to get the address, ubuntu-kr.org?
[16:47] <Jihui_Choi> Ah.. I get it. you must be jonathan
[16:49] <Jihui_Choi> Great. Thank you so much. I'll send you the infomation ASAP
[16:50] <Myrtti> Jihui_Choi: is all the korean irc activity usually in hananet?
[16:51] <Jihui_Choi> most of all people use irc.hanirc.org.
[16:51] <Myrtti> yeah, that's what I meant
[16:51] <Jihui_Choi> So we plan to use #ubuntu-ko channel as our official support channel
[16:52] <Myrtti> I noticed when I popped in at #ubuntu-ko that there's only a few people there
[16:53] <Jihui_Choi> Myrtti: right. that's our problem. But we'll make to be active.
[16:53] <Myrtti> there's been a few korean speakers in #ubuntu and our !factoid is in english, I was wondering would you have a suggestion for a korean one?
[16:54] <Jihui_Choi> for example, such as using web-irc program, peopel who needs to help visit #ubuntu-ko on irc.freenode.net instead of #ubuntu on irc.hanirc.org
[16:54] <Jihui_Choi> Myrtti: Pardon? I'm sorry. my english is very poor.
[16:54] <jpds> !ko
[16:54] <Jihui_Choi> would you explain ?
[16:54] <Myrtti> well you see, if a german speaker comes to channel, we give him !de
[16:54] <Myrtti> !de
[16:55] <Myrtti> that's in German
[16:55] <jpds> Jihui_Choi: We'd like a Korean suggestiong for that bot message.^
[16:55] <Myrtti> but the !ko is in Korean
[16:55] <Myrtti> er
[16:55] <Myrtti> English
[16:55] <Myrtti> since none of us can any :-/
[16:55] <Jihui_Choi> I don't have permission.
[16:55] <Myrtti> that's not a problem :-D
[16:55] <Jihui_Choi> That't the reason why I join this channel now
[16:55] <Myrtti> just make a suggestion :-)
[16:56] <Jihui_Choi> there's no one who have a permission for changing topic or welcome message..
[16:57] <Jihui_Choi> I'm sorry. Even I'm a contact, but I'm beginner for irc.freenode.net or irc
[16:58] <jpds> Jihui_Choi: The bot has nothing to do with the channel; could you give us the Korean way of saying: "For help in Korean, please /join #ubuntu-ko" ?
[16:58] <jpds> As for the channel, we'll have to wait till Pricey, or nalioth comes back.
[16:59] <Jihui_Choi> such as "도움이 필요하시면 다음 채널에 조인하십시오. /join #ubuntu-ko" ?
[16:59] <MK-BB> Hi, I'm here to help jihui
[16:59] <Jihui_Choi> thank you MK-BB
[16:59] <Myrtti> @login
[16:59] <MK-BB> What's happening?
[17:00] <Jihui_Choi> !ko
[17:00] <Myrtti> !no ko is <reply> 도움이 필요하시면 다음 채널에 조인하십시오. /join #ubuntu-ko
[17:00] <Myrtti> !ko
[17:00] <Jihui_Choi> !ko
[17:00] <Myrtti> there we go ♥
[17:00] <MK-BB> Sounds good
[17:01] <jpds> Now when someone comes into #ubuntu asking for help in Korean, we'll be able to point them to #ubuntu-ko with that.
[17:01] <Jihui_Choi> Does it work? how to see the message?
[17:01] <MK-BB> Ok
[17:02] <Myrtti> Jihui_Choi: yeah, now it works
[17:02] <Jihui_Choi> Myrtti: I see. thank you. :)
[17:02] <Myrtti> Jihui_Choi: the bot doesn't give the factoid if someone has just asked it
[17:02] <Myrtti> a flood protection
[17:02] <Jihui_Choi> ah..
[17:02] <Myrtti> probably if someone would do !ko now, it would show the message again
[17:03] <MK-BB> Ok
[17:03] <Jihui_Choi> BTW it looks really great. Many of korean aren't familiar in English.
[17:03] <Zic> !fr
[17:03] <Jihui_Choi> Thank you again. :)
[17:04] <Zic> good :}
[17:04] <jpds> Zic: Bonjour!
[17:04] <nalioth> jpds: what are we waiting on?
[17:04] <Zic> jpds: hey, bonjour :)
[17:04] <MK-BB> !ko
[17:04] <Myrtti> nalioth: you
[17:04] <Myrtti> ♥
[17:04] <Jihui_Choi> And I'd like to know how to get the ownership of #ubuntu-ko
[17:04] <nalioth> Jihui_Choi: first, please identify to nickserv
[17:04] <Jihui_Choi> Atie registered the channel about 2-3 years ago. but he isn't anymore
[17:05] <LjL> Jihui_Choi: sorry, i wasn't following - are you in the official korean team? that would help
[17:05] <Myrtti> LjL: he's a contact on the locoteams page
[17:05] <MK-BB> Yes he is
[17:05] <nalioth> MK-BB: please identify to services
[17:05] <jpds> LjL: They got approval last month: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KoreanTeam/ApprovalApplication#Result
[17:07] <nalioth> Jihui_Choi: MK-BB: logging in with services is what allows you to operate channels and take advantage of the options freenode offers channel operators
[17:08] <Jihui_Choi> nalioth: I see. but I need to find my password -_-; I think I forget.
[17:08] <MK-BB> Ill help him set up
[17:08] <MK-BB> Soon
[17:08] <MK-BB> Jihui_Choi: make nerw
[17:09] <jpds> If you'd like, you can have your password reset.
[17:09] <Jihui_Choi> jpds: would you tell me how to?
[17:10] <nalioth> Jihui_Choi: watch your email  :)
[17:10] <jpds> Jihui_Choi: Ask a member of Freenode staff and they'll mail you a new one.
[17:11] <Myrtti> or just did :-)
[17:17] <doctormo> Should I request an irc 'cloak'?
[17:18] <Jihui_Choi> wow.. I done to identify my nick
[17:19] <MK-ubuntu> i'm done as well
[17:20] <MK-ubuntu> guys
[17:20] <MK-ubuntu> LjL,
[17:20] <MK-ubuntu> do you know where we could get chanserv owner changed?
[17:20] <MK-ubuntu> nalioth,
[17:20] <MK-ubuntu> u there?
[17:20] <LjL> MK-ubuntu: the irc council here can help you with that
[17:20] <nalioth> MK-ubuntu: Jihui_Choi we are working on that right now
[17:20] <MK-ubuntu> ok
[17:21] <MK-ubuntu> thank you
[17:21] <nalioth> MK-ubuntu: Jihui_Choi: you see, until you're identified to nickserv, we have no idea who you are
[17:21] <MK-ubuntu> but we are both identified
[17:21] <doctormo> nalioth: then you know who I am then?
[17:21] <MK-ubuntu> so are we good?
[17:21] <nalioth> yes, just recently
[17:21] <Jihui_Choi> nalioth: I've done to identify
[17:23] <nalioth> Jihui_Choi: you are familiar with Ubuntu and freenode channel guidelines, right?
[17:25] <Jihui_Choi> nalioth: honestly I'm not. But I read it and I'll try to be familiar
[17:26] <Jihui_Choi> and the basic concepts and manners on irc, I know and I'm familiar.
[17:27] <nalioth> Jihui_Choi: you can message any ubot* with "guidelines"  and the freenode guidelines are at http://freenode.net
[17:27] <nalioth> enjoy  :)
[17:27] <MK-ubuntu> nalioth, so chanserv will come in or what?
[17:27] <jpds> MK-ubuntu: See: /msg ChanServ help set guard
[17:27] <Jihui_Choi> nalioth: you mean this page, right? http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[17:28] <Myrtti> also
[17:28] <Myrtti> !guidelines
[17:28] <nalioth> MK-ubuntu: the channel options are up to Jihui_Choi
[17:28] <Myrtti> that's for ubuntu, but most of the stuff *should* apply to loco channels
[17:28] <Jihui_Choi> I see. the first one I already read. but for second I have to
[17:29] <Myrtti> that's for #ubuntu, but most of the stuff *should* apply to loco channels
[17:29] <MK-ubuntu> nalioth, ok..
[17:29] <khanh_coltech> MK-ubuntu: http://t0x.in/ircfreenode.html can help you
[17:29] <MK-ubuntu> thank u
[17:30] <MK-ubuntu> i'm little familar w/ chanserv
[17:31] <Jihui_Choi> Is it done?
[17:31] <Jihui_Choi> wow.. I think it needs few days at least.
[17:31] <jpds> Jihui_Choi: Yes, you are now the contact for #u-ko: /msg ChanServ info #ubuntu-ko
[17:32] <Jihui_Choi> ﻿/msg ChanServ info #ubuntu-ko
[17:33] <Jihui_Choi> I checked, ﻿Founder    : JiHui_Choi
[17:33] <jpds> It's all yours.
[17:33] <Jihui_Choi> Thank you jpds, nalioth, Myrtti, and LjL
[17:33] <MK-ubuntu> thank you
[17:33] <MK-ubuntu> ~
[17:34] <Myrtti> no probs :-)
[17:34] <Jihui_Choi> :)
[17:42] <nalioth> Jihui_Choi: /msg chanserv help
[17:42] <MK-ubuntu> he got it
[17:42] <MK-ubuntu> i helped helped out
[17:43] <MK-ubuntu> nalioth, we're just working on the domain now
[17:43] <Jihui_Choi> jpds, you need the ip address of our current domain, right?
[17:44] <Jihui_Choi> I mean, the result $ nslookup ubuntu.or.kr
[17:44] <jpds> Jihui_Choi: No, I just needa gnupg-signed message with what you want.
[17:45] <Jihui_Choi> humm.. so.. I have to find our how to send a gnupg-signed message. ;;;
[17:45] <Jihui_Choi> Everything is difficult for me.
[17:46] <jpds> Jihui_Choi: Forget it; so, you'd like ubuntu-kr.org to go to 61.72.254.234 ?
[17:46] <Jihui_Choi> yes. correct. :)
[17:47] <jpds> One moment please.
[17:47] <Jihui_Choi> OK. Thank you a lot. :)
[17:50] <jpds> Jihui_Choi: Changes applied to master LoCo DNS server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/128404/
[17:50] <MK-ubuntu> jpds, thank you
[17:51] <jpds> It may take up to 24 hours for the change to spread through the internet.
[17:51] <Jihui_Choi> jpds: thank you again :)
[17:52] <jpds> OK; looks like you have to configure Apache to accept the new domain.
[17:53] <Jihui_Choi> Of course. I'll ask the server admin to add new domain.
[17:53] <MK-ubuntu> looks good
[17:54] <jpds> If you need anything else, just ask. :)
[17:54] <MK-ubuntu> thank you^^
[17:54] <Jihui_Choi> jpds: OK. Thank you. :)
[18:02] <MK-ubuntu> nalioth, how do you make your address like that?
[18:02] <MK-ubuntu> ubuntu/~/~
[18:03] <jpds> MK-ubuntu: You have to be an Ubuntu member, please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Cloaks for details.
[18:04] <MK-ubuntu> ok
[18:05] <MK-ubuntu> i have to request one?
[18:06] <MK-ubuntu> jpds, so
[18:06] <MK-ubuntu> can you help me w/ this?
[18:06] <jpds> MK-ubuntu: Link to your Launchpad page please?
[18:07] <MK-ubuntu> one sec
[18:07] <MK-ubuntu> https://launchpad.net/~team1ab
[18:07] <nalioth> MK-ubuntu: /msg ubottu member
[18:16] <MK-ubuntu> nalioth, jpds, i'm done w/ openpga code
[18:20] <MK-ubuntu> what else has to be done?
[18:21] <Myrtti> your input to the ubuntu community has to be evaluated by a council, either EMEA for your region or the MOTU
[18:21] <Myrtti> !member
[18:22] <MK-ubuntu> ㅐㅏ
[18:22] <MK-ubuntu> ok
[18:26] <Myrtti> but you can get an unaffiliated one that says @unaffiliated/nick at #freenode just by asking
[18:26] <MK-ubuntu> ok
[22:09] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said: #ubuntu isn't the "lobby", it is the support channel
[22:09] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-ops, LjL said: #ubuntu is for support, and #ubuntu-offtopic is for general mostly ubuntu-related discussion. neither is to make decisions about anything
[22:09]  * Seeker` kicks bot
[22:11] <Nafallo> lol
[22:17] <Myrtti> stjuuped piece of rubbish python
[22:18]  * Nafallo smiles
[22:19] <jpds> Fixed now.