[01:12] <ripps> Is it possible to have multiple bind-mounts in pbuilder?
[01:16] <james_w> ripps: I believe so
[01:17] <ripps> james_w: whenever I try to add a second path using : or | it glitches out on me.
[01:17] <james_w>        --bindmounts bind-mount-points
[01:17] <james_w>               Bind-mount the specified directories to inside the chroot.  bind-mount-points is a space-delimited list of directories to bind-mount.
[01:20] <ripps> james_w: I'm trying put this all in my .pbuilderrc using the BINDMOUNTS variable. I need it for ccache and for parsing my result directory for packages.
[01:20] <james_w> have you tried:
[01:20] <james_w> BINDMOUNTS="foo bar"
[01:20] <ripps> ... I think that might be the only thing I haven't tried.
[01:24] <ripps> Man... now I feel real stupid.
[01:29] <ripps> Hmmm... the script sees the package in /var/cache/pbuilder/result, but it won't allow it to be pulled in by depends...
[01:30] <james_w> pbuilder doesn't make the results available to subsequent builds
[01:31] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/128031/ is what I use to make it do that, with an appropriate bind mount
[01:31] <ripps> james_w: I know, that's why I setup a script to dpkg-scanpackages the results directory.
[01:40] <ripps> James_w: cool your script worked
[01:40] <james_w> ripps: glad to hear it
[01:40] <ripps> but i keep getting this when I try to compile gmpc from git: http://paste.ubuntu.com/128035/
[03:19] <jdong> anyone know what larry wall called the "{}"?
[03:20] <jdong> I had a name for it I won't say in here, but I was told Larry's was even more amusing.
[03:20] <jdong> google's no good at searching symbols.
[03:58] <ScottK> james_w: I saw your post on the new source package formats on debian-devel.  Do you know if Launchpad is ready for the new formats?
[03:59] <wgrant> It's not.
[04:00] <wgrant> But two people have asked about it in the past 24 hours.
[04:00] <wgrant> And there is a bug, with Low priority.
[04:00] <wgrant> And untargetted.
[04:01] <ScottK> Lovely.
[04:01]  * ScottK guesses the priority will change after the first Karmic autosync run.
[04:01] <wgrant> Or after a distroteam person pokes them.
[04:01] <wgrant> Or after seeing james_w's comment in the bug.
[04:02] <wgrant> I'm hoping the last.
[04:02] <ScottK> What bug?
[04:02] <wgrant> Bug #293106
[04:02] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:03] <wgrant> The patches to dak weren't too extensive, so it shouldn't take too long to implement it in Soyuz.
[04:09] <harrisony> whats the process of gettign a package replaced in ubuntu. tspc is no longer maintained and gw6c is the new package, ive filed a bug report. is there anything special I need to do to it
[04:09] <harrisony> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tspc/+bug/339405
[04:26] <ScottK> harrisony: Is the new package in Debian?
[04:28] <harrisony> ScottK: no
[04:28] <ScottK> To get it done will take someone to make the new package.
[04:29] <ScottK> Also it'd take a freeze exception to get it in late in the development cycle where we are now.
[04:29] <ScottK> If the old one is not working, then that ought to be doable if someone makes the package.
[04:32] <harrisony> I see
[04:54] <harrisony> ScottK: if I was to make the package would I push it to REVU?
[04:54] <ScottK> Yes
[04:55] <harrisony> cool
[05:14] <J-_> I'd like to put a request in. Could someone please, update the Wings3d version in the repos to 0.99.04a, or 0.99.53?
[06:52] <james_w> ScottK: that's why I went to make sure the soyuz people were aware of the developments
[07:04] <drewmeigs1> hi, everyone. would anyone be willing to help me get started with the motu? i have limited experience, but am willing to learn and am a fast learner.
[07:18] <hyperair> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[07:21] <iulian> Hmm, nice playbook.
[08:08] <jdong> WELL.
[08:08] <jdong> I think I found a bug in the timer applet.
[08:09] <jdong> I don't think an hour quite elapsed there... :)
[09:56] <siretart> LucidFox: superm1: are you still interested in joining ~motumedia?
[10:10] <LucidFox> sure
[10:58] <surfaz> tseliot, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-options-editor-gtk/+bug/339220
[10:58] <surfaz> any news?
[11:03] <tseliot> surfaz: yes, it works well, thanks for the patch. I'll ask someone to upload it (as I'm not a motu yet)
[11:04] <surfaz> tseliot, I made also a Spanish translation
[11:04] <surfaz> bobbo, want know if you accept this translation
[11:04] <tseliot> surfaz: yes, and I was planning to add that too for the new upload
[11:05] <surfaz> ok, thanks!
[11:05] <tseliot> thank you ;)
[11:28] <G__81> I am interested in contributing to ubuntu. I have been using Linux for a pretty long time . I am interested in bug fixing and other activities but ve not done packaging
[11:28] <G__81> so can someone help me get started
[11:28] <hyperair> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[11:28] <directhex> start off looking at how to get bug fixes into packages, imho
[11:28] <G__81> i probably would like to get started with Packaging a little later on
[11:29] <hyperair> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[11:29] <surfaz> G__81, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[11:29] <hyperair> join a loco team =p
[11:29] <G__81> i ve been contributing to fedora though fedora is really good with great respects and values i thought i could start contributing to Ubuntu from now on
[11:29] <hyperair> why the change of heart?
[11:30] <G__81> hyperair, yeah good question
[11:30] <surfaz> KDE4? (Linus)
[11:30] <G__81> no i use gnome :)
[11:30] <G__81> i tried KDE4 but went to gnome :)
[11:31] <G__81> hyperair, what i like about Ubuntu is that when people contribute in Ubuntu, its recognized
[11:31] <hyperair> i started with gnome, tried kde3, went back to gnome, tried fluxbox, and e17, then went back to gnome. then i tried kde4, and then went back to gnome.
[11:31] <hyperair> looks like gnome's the best for me =D
[11:31] <hyperair> G__81: it is?
[11:31] <G__81> hyperair, and its a really good thing and apart from it as a distro what i like i feel Ubuntu is quite stable that is fedora is a bleeding edge distro yesterday updated a package and i dont know what happened
[11:31] <hyperair> G__81: i mean it isn't with fedora?
[11:31] <G__81> i got screwed up
[11:32] <G__81> hyperair, you mean recognition ?
[11:32] <hyperair> G__81: yes
[11:32] <G__81> hyperair, its there if you take i ve my blog in Fedora and ve account too in Fedora Server but its not been advertised as what Ubuntu does thats from a process angle i am talking about.
[11:33] <G__81> hyperair, as a distro Fedora is good as well as bad if you are not lucky a particular day probably couple of days back i just updated one package and gone
[11:33] <G__81> with great difficulty i backed up the data and then had to reinstall it
[11:33] <G__81> X Server was flickering continuously no errors in X logs
[11:33] <G__81> so i was surprised and didnt know what to do
[11:34] <G__81> i work on the kernel and as well contribute to Quagga a lot so i thought moving to Ubuntu would hinder my development
[11:34] <G__81> thats the question i ve
[11:34] <G__81> currently
[11:34] <hyperair> well we try not to have those happen here, but if you use ubuntu+1 it's bound to happen
[11:34] <G__81> if its off topic please execuse me
[11:35] <G__81> yeah thats acceptable :)
[11:35] <hyperair> =)
[11:35] <G__81> Ubuntu + 1 is acceptable :)
[11:35] <hyperair> it's probably not my place to say this, but welcome to ubuntu =p
[11:35] <G__81> thanks hyperair :)
[11:35] <G__81> hyperair, will it hinder the development as such ?
[11:36] <G__81> i contribute to quagga and i use UML and qemu in fedora to do it
[11:36] <hyperair> G__81: nah. shouldn't
[11:36] <hyperair> G__81: i use ubuntu as a platform to develop on. i think stability goes a long way in boosting productivity.
[11:37] <hyperair> i have no idea what UML is, but qemu definitely works over here
[11:38] <G__81> so i am concerned about those things in Ubuntu, I use a Fedora 8 file system but in Ubuntu i heard that when you create a Ubuntu File system using debootstrap the file system gets created but when i boot it with UML, my friend got 6 virtual consoles automatically being opened and all of them were login windows and finally he had to suppress 5 virtual console terminals from being opened so he fiddled with some etc/blah...and finally made that but still he
[11:38] <G__81> gets 6 but 5 disabled and one showing the login prompt
[11:38] <G__81> :)
[11:41] <hyperair> well. i have no experience with UML
[11:41] <hyperair> usermode linux right?
[11:41] <hyperair> never attempted it before
[11:45] <pmjdebruijn> it UML relevant for normal use anymore? with openvz/vserver/lxc?
[11:45] <G__81> yeah its User Mode Linux
[11:45] <pmjdebruijn> it seems UML is only relevant for kernel developers these days...
[11:46] <G__81> hyperair, yeah exactly i use it because i work on the kernel for office work though i am not a kernel developer listed in kernel.org :)
[11:47] <G__81> hyperair, and the most important fact is after fedora got corrupted i had to reinstall fedora which again took another 1 hr and then came the worst thing i had to download the updates using yum again
[11:47] <G__81> i missed aptonCD and hence i joined Packagekit and now i am in the process of writing a plugin kind of thing for Packagekit which imitates AptOnCD
[11:48]  * hyperair doesn't like yum/rpm
[11:48] <G__81> and i like Launch Pad i just created an account and have kept it, I did it when i first tried Ubuntu in 7.04
[11:49] <G__81> and does Ubuntu have ambassadors too ? can i represent Ubuntu in my community ?
[11:49] <directhex> yes. wear a jaunty hat.
[11:49] <G__81> :)
[11:49] <G__81> lol
[11:50] <G__81> is it quite hard to become a Ubuntu Member ?
[11:50] <directhex> depends. any hat shops near you?
[11:50] <RainCT> lol
[11:50] <G__81> directhex, no :) i would probably get Adidas there :)
[11:51] <RainCT> G__81: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[11:51] <wattazoum> hello all
[11:51] <wattazoum> I was looking at the file /etc/cron.daily/apt and I see a sleep there (like for 30 minutes). Does someone know why there is this sleep ?
[11:52] <G__81> but anyway my contributions would be recognized here so i would like to be part of it and improve it more :)
[11:52] <G__81> what mailing lists can i be part of
[11:52] <wattazoum> I would have think, we would sleep if someone is using an apt frontend
[11:53] <G__81> i am interested in bug fixing, some gnome development and testing too
[11:53] <wattazoum> but if it's the case, we exit quietly
[11:53] <wattazoum> otherwise we will always sleep
[13:06] <ScottK> james_w: (re new source packages): Great.  I've seen the bug now.  It looks like you were ahead of me.
[14:32] <G__81> hi hyperair installed Ubuntu 8.10 and its really good
[14:33] <hyperair> G__81: good to hear =)
[14:33] <G__81> i was able to concentrate on other things rather than customizing my system
[14:33] <G__81> which is the first thing i liked
[14:43] <hyperair> G__81: ah. well i generally customize my system before i begin work.
[14:43] <hyperair> G__81: and if i need stuff within closer reach then i customize it even more
[14:43] <G__81> hyperair, customization is fine but i hate installing courier fonts again and again when i install it newly in every system
[14:44] <G__81> hyperair, and the number of updates in fedora is too huge for me to download it everytime
[14:44] <hyperair> heh
[14:44] <G__81> i dont say fedora is bad but when i installed ubuntu now i am able to see the difference
[14:44] <G__81> hey now how do i start off with my contribution
[14:44] <G__81> i ve my LP account
[14:45] <G__81> i am not able to find any information on what has LP got to do with my contribution
[14:55] <jdstrand> Rhonda: Laney and I were just talking about wesnoth. We ask that submitters follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures#Preparing%20an%20update, where it says that if you submit a patch or debdiff for a release, mark the task as 'In Progress'. We have scripts to point those out
[14:56] <jdstrand> Rhonda: that said, it is always ok to ping a member of the security team regarding something you submitted
[14:58] <hyperair> G__81: LP has the bug tracker.
[14:59] <jdstrand> Rhonda: we apologize that your patch has not been reviewed, but it has been flagged and someone will look at it next week, probably tomorrow
[14:59] <hyperair> G__81: generally you contribute by filing/fixing bugs
[14:59] <G__81> fixing can be by sending patches too right ?
[14:59] <hyperair> G__81: you mentioned you work on the kernel right? perhaps you might want to join the kernel team
[14:59] <G__81> yeah i ve not done packaging. I am basically into networking subsystem. The TCP/IP and those areas :)
[14:59] <hyperair> G__81: yeah, you can submit the patch in LP, and in upstream, and when upstream's done, backport the patch from upstream into the current version in ubuntu
[14:59] <hyperair> and so on
[15:00] <G__81> ok so its not that i ve to go only through debdiff i can do diff -ur and do the patch
[15:00] <G__81> right ?
[15:00] <hyperair> right
[15:01] <hyperair> you can submit the patch, and wait for someone else to generate a debdiff
[15:01] <hyperair> but if you could generate the debdiff with the patch in it, that would be better of course
[15:01] <G__81> ok so what mailing lists i can join
[15:01] <savvas> is anyone using python-zsi ? anyone cares to test a new merge for ubuntu? :P bug 237674
[15:02] <G__81> when a person joins Ubuntu what mailing lists are good for subscription
[15:02] <hyperair> G__81: ummm the devel list i guess
[15:02] <hyperair> ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-motu?
[15:02] <hyperair> and perhaps ubuntu-devel-discuss
[15:02] <hyperair> and ubuntu-motu-mentors
[15:02] <savvas> G__81: you have a list here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ - usually announcements are good :)
[15:03] <nhandler> And the -news list is also good
[15:03] <G__81> oh ok
[15:04] <G__81> is there a channel for ambassadors ?
[15:04] <hyperair> ambassadors?
[15:05] <G__81> yeah like in fedora we have fedora ambassadors who recruit people and who talk in conferences etc. how is it in ubuntu
[15:05] <bersace> Hi
[15:05] <G__81> or rather you could call it the marketing team
[15:05] <bersace> Is there any chance to get gnome-scan 0.6.2 in jaunty universe ?
[15:08] <G__81> and one question are ubuntu releases supported for 18 months ?
[15:08] <G__81> i know there is LTS which is for 3 years in the desktop and whats with the other non-LTS releases
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> 18 month for non-LTS, 3 years for desktop LTS, and I think 6 years for server LTS
[15:24] <pochu> s/6/5/
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:24] <hyperair> G__81: i think here it's the loco teams
[15:24] <G__81> it used to be 6 months before right  i mean the support for non-lts
[15:30] <Nafallo> G__81: no
[15:30] <Nafallo> that have never ever been the case
[15:31] <G__81> k
[15:33] <RainCT> G__81: 6 months is the time it takes for a new version to be released
[15:33] <pmjdebruijn> non-lts has always had 18 months after release
[15:34] <G__81> oh its wonderful then
[15:36] <RainCT> :)
[15:37] <G__81> how do i become an Ubuntero i looked into the LP and when i do gpg --send-keys <Key-ID> it does not work so i tried specifiying the key server too even then it does not
[15:38] <RainCT> G__81: Are you replacing  <Key-ID>  with the ID of your key? :P
[15:38] <G__81> yeah of course :)
[15:38] <RainCT> G__81: Hehe. Which error message do you get?
[15:38] <G__81> gpg: no keyserver known (use option --keyserver)
[15:38] <G__81> then i gave this
[15:38] <G__81> gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com  Key_ID
[15:38] <G__81> then i got this
[15:39] <G__81> gpgkeys: HTTP post error 6: Couldn't resolve host 'keyserver.ubuntu.com'
[15:39] <G__81> gpg: keyserver internal error
[15:39] <G__81> gpg: keyserver send failed: keyserver error
[15:40] <RainCT> G__81: try with another keyserver
[15:40] <G__81> whats it can you let me know please ?
[15:40] <RainCT> G__81: hkp://pgp.mit.edu:11371, for instance
[15:41] <fta> G__81, try with --keyserver 1st
[15:41] <G__81> gpg --send-keys --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu:11371 right?
[15:41] <G__81> with the ID of course :)
[15:43] <G__81> does not work same error
[15:43] <G__81> gpgkeys: HTTP post error 6: Couldn't resolve host 'pgp.mit.edu'
[15:43] <geser> G__81: does your DNS work?
[15:43] <G__81> yes
[15:44] <geser> so "host keyserver.ubuntu.com" works?
[15:44] <G__81> let me check that
[15:45] <G__81> no :(
[15:45] <G__81> surprised
[15:45] <fta> G__81, try: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys Key_ID
[15:45] <geser> fta: this won't work with a non-working DNS setup
[15:45] <fta> the parsing of arguments is funny in ggp
[15:46] <G__81> yeah worked
[15:46] <G__81> :)
[15:46] <fta> good
[15:47] <geser> why could it now resolve the hostname and not earlier?
[15:48] <G__81> no idea :)
[15:51] <G__81>  gpg --clearsign new
[15:51] <G__81>  cant i give this ?
[15:52] <G__81> i get error saying new no such file or directory
[15:52] <G__81> when i do touch new
[15:53] <G__81> i dont get errors and it just keeps waiting after i enter the PassPhrase
[15:54] <G__81> should i wait for few moments its a 2054 Key
[15:54] <G__81> 2048 key
[16:39] <superm1> siretart, that was a long time ago i applied.  i dont think i have a good reason to be in it now
[16:40]  * RainCT wonders why screensaver inhibit doesn't also disable the "dim screen on inactivity"
[16:40] <superm1> RainCT, perhaps that's X itself doing that dimming
[16:40] <siretart> superm1: sorry to hear that :( - can you draw back that application yourself?
[16:40] <superm1> rather than gnome-screensaver
[16:41] <superm1> siretart, well a better response is i dont know i have a time commitment to help out ~motu-media now :)
[16:41] <superm1> i'll see if i can withdraw the application myself
[16:41] <RainCT> superm1: well, but from my user POV I don't mind at all what's doing the dimming, I only know that I have to disable it because if I play a game it is dimmed and I don't want to have to enable/disable the option all the time
[16:41] <RainCT> :P
[16:42] <superm1> RainCT, well if this indeed what the problem is though, i'd consider that bug too
[16:42] <superm1> that inhibiting should set the X screensaver and power management settings too
[16:43] <superm1> play with xset a little bit and see if you can get it to stop.  if so, i think a patch should be very easy to gnome-screensaver to do that same functionality
[16:47] <superm1> siretart, i cant see any (logical) way to withdraw that application myself
[16:47] <siretart> ok, then I'll do it
[17:41] <AndrewGee> Hi all. Should I file a bug against a package, if it needs to be rebuilt for python2.6?
[17:44] <Laney> yes
[17:44] <AndrewGee> Ok. Will do :)
[17:44] <AndrewGee> Thanks Laney
[17:45] <Laney> even better if you can cook up a patch
[17:46] <AndrewGee> Laney: Would I just make a new changelog entry saying that it needs rebuilding, in the patch?
[17:47] <Laney> you might have to patch the build system
[17:47] <Laney> --install-layout=deb or something
[17:48] <ScottK> AndrewGee: If there are any hard coded references to site-packages those will have to be changed.
[17:48] <AndrewGee> Okay. I'll look into it. Thanks.
[18:00] <eMerzh> I'm looking for a Motu to review my package at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman .. thanks :)
[19:34] <J-_> Hello
[19:34] <J-_> wrong channel, but hello to you to!
[19:37] <RainCT> hehe, hi
[21:13] <savvas> anyone familiar with awk? Is there a command line argument to make it recursive (like grep -r)?
[21:39] <lfaraone> Hi, what's the chance that I can get a FFE for bug 339869? (NEW package synced from debian)
[21:39] <lfaraone> * bug 339689
[21:55] <Laney> vorian: Are you sponsoring bug 334954?
[21:56] <Laney> if so, please don't :(
[22:11] <Laney> vorian: Can I wontfix it please?
[23:58] <wgrant> ScottK: As uploader of the last three versions of python-kde3, do you have any objections to me uploading a new upstream bugfix release to fix the FTBFS and build against Python 2.6?
[23:58] <ScottK> wgrant: Not at all.  Please do.
[23:58] <wgrant> Ah, I see you commented on the bug.
[23:58] <wgrant> ScottK: Thanks, uploading now.
[23:58] <ScottK> wgrant: Thanks for looking into that one.
[23:59] <wgrant> It was blocking some other stuff I wanted done.
[23:59] <wgrant> I really don't like the way this was started so late in the cycle...
[23:59] <Laney> is there a wiki page or something for coordination?