[00:05] <juanito_> do i have to enable..completely remove...when uninstalling anything?
[00:05] <juanito_> using synaptic i mean
[00:06] <forces> sudo apt-get purge
[00:06] <juanito_> that removes all configuration files
[00:06] <juanito_> ?
[00:15] <forces> juanito_, yes
[00:15] <forces> like aptitude purge
[00:16] <juanito_> ok thank you
[00:16] <Mood> anyone use screen w/ xubuntu?
[00:17] <Mood> How do you re-bind backspace to work in screen under xubuntu?
[00:19] <forces> screen?
[00:19] <Mood> yes
[00:19]  * pleia2 has never had a problem with the backspace in screen
[00:19] <Mood> pleia2: are you running xubuntu 8.10?
[00:19] <pleia2> what does it do when you press it?
[00:19] <pleia2> yes
[00:20] <SiDi> see you charlie-tca & knome
[00:20] <pleia2> Mood: and is this in a program? ssh session? just the bash prompt?
[00:20] <Mood> pleia2: bash prompt on my local xubuntu
[00:21] <pleia2> Mood: what does it do when you press backspace?
[00:21] <Mood> pleia2: nothing
[00:21] <Mood> i think it has to do something with ^H binding
[00:22] <pleia2> hm, not sure :\
[00:22] <Mood> in screen, ctrl+h works as backspace... i think xubuntu's backspace is binded to ^? perhaps
[00:25] <juanito_> anyone has added the medibuntu repository?
[00:25] <juanito_> i need this package libdvdcss2
[00:27] <pleia2> Mood: this might be related? (some fixes are offered) https://bugs.launchpad.net/vte/+bug/29787
[00:28] <Mood> pleia2: you've identified the bug i'm experiencing methinks :-)
[00:29] <Mood> i wonder why you don't have it though. are you not using xfce4-terminal?
[00:29] <pleia2> Mood: nope, using rxvt-unicode
[00:30] <Mood> pleia2: yeah- i just tried screen using xterm, and backspace works -- the bug is with xfce4-terminal's keybinding of backspace
[00:31] <Mood> the bug is over a year old -- i wonder why it's not fixed for 8.10
[00:31] <Mood> :-(
[00:31] <pleia2> yeah :(
[00:33] <Mood> pleia2: do you use an .screenrc file?
[00:33] <pleia2> Mood: nope, haven't needed one
[00:33] <Mood> ok
[00:44] <Mood> pleia2: i got around the bug based on suggestions of that page you forwarded. thanks!
[00:44] <Mood> :-)
[00:44] <pleia2> Mood: welcome :)
[03:11] <merther> in ubuntu if a file is higher then a certain size it gives the option to delete immediately but xubuntu doesn't seem to do that.  How do you enable that?
[03:19] <knome> merther, shift+del doesn't copy files to wastebasket.
[03:19] <knome> i mean, move.
[03:20] <merther> knome:  Thanks, just as good.  :)
[03:31]  * Mood gives quickz his 5th vouch :-P
[03:39] <Mood> weird...
[03:40]  * Mood was wondering where that /me went to...
[03:55] <Zarek> Hey, Anyone Know A Good Site To Download Emerald Themes?
[04:00] <Mood> Zarek: http://www.compiz-themes.org/index.php?xcontentmode=103
[04:00] <Mood> ?
[04:00] <Zarek> Mood: I Shall SCheck It Out, THanks For Your Help
[05:02] <Jakin8tr> hi
[09:41] <zeltak> hi guys
[09:41] <zeltak> anyone know why when i try to install basket (kde app) it wants to install the whole kde suite...anyone know hoe to just install basket (and the direct dependenceis)?
[09:45] <TheSheep> kde suite is the dependency
[09:46] <durt> zeltak: using apt-get install with the --no-install-recommends switch should install the package and just the dependencies
[09:47] <zeltak> sweet ill try that thx durt
[10:30] <donna10> hi , can anyone help me to get back my panels on xubuntu 7.10
[10:33] <zChris> Do i have to make a kernel module and install it to use guest hardware in VirtualBox? :) Or isit enough to run the script?
[10:37] <donna10> i am a beginner , please help to get my panels back on xubuntu 7.10
[10:43] <TheSheep> donna10: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[10:47] <donna10> thesheep  , i do not get that small window
[10:47] <donna10> alt F2 doesn't answer
[10:47] <TheSheep> donna10: ok, what exactly happened?
[10:49] <donna10> my panels  disappeared  , and as i got that before already  , i knew what to do : i pressed F2 and alt but i didnt get that small window to order xfce4=panel
[10:49] <donna10> not now
[10:50] <TheSheep> what happened just before they disapeared?
[10:50] <donna10> i just opened my laptop and when i watched it after a while  : no panels anymore
[10:51] <donna10> but other icons were on
[10:51] <TheSheep> can right-click on the desktop for menu?
[10:52] <TheSheep> *you
[10:52] <donna10> now i have a black screen with in white xubuntu=laptop login CCBCCBCCB etc.
[10:52] <donna10> the sheep  , i have nothing but a black screen
[10:53] <TheSheep> press alt+ctrl+backspace and log in again
[10:53] <TheSheep> no, wait, did the screen just lock?
[10:53] <donna10> thesheep it does not give anything
[10:53] <TheSheep> then you just have to enter your password
[10:54] <TheSheep> press alt+ctrl+f7
[10:55] <TheSheep> does it bring the graphical environment back?
[10:57] <donna10> the sheep no  , i introduced my password  and oit goes on demanding it
[10:57] <donna10> only black screen
[10:58] <donna10> now i have : login timed out after 60 seconds
[11:00] <TheSheep> donna10: you should type your login at login: and then your password
[11:00] <TheSheep> it won't be displayed
[11:01] <TheSheep> that should log you in
[11:01] <TheSheep> in text mode
[11:18] <donna10> The sheep , thanks for your help , it works again
[11:30] <jed> Hi, im trying to add the mactel ppa to my sources in xubuntu 8.10.  My problem is I do not know what format the apt key needs to be in. The mactel support wiki has an apt-key command that does not work, but it uses the key, so I think I could just save it to a file in specific format that software sources authentication tab wants? I'm not sure what that format is or if I am on the right track. I'm using a MacBook pro and I'm fairly new to
[11:30] <jed>  Linux.
[11:31] <vinnl> jed, I don't know what Mactel is but you can easily add a key in Synaptic
[11:31] <vinnl> Hey charlie-tca
[11:32] <jed> I think that is what I have been trying to do, but I dont know what format it wants the key in
[11:32] <vinnl> jed, in Synaptic, Settings->Repositories, then the Authentication tab, Import Key File
[11:32] <vinnl> jed, well where can you download the key?
[11:33] <jed> the support wiki has a key but it is just a number in hexadecimal, could i just save that to a file?
[11:34] <vinnl> jed, can you post a link?
[11:34] <jed> here: https://launchpad.net/~mactel-support/+archive/ppa
[11:34] <jed> er, wrong one
[11:34] <jed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/PPA#Installation
[11:34] <jed> i just found that one, i think i got it
[11:35] <vinnl> That should work, I suppose, otherwise you can always look here: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[11:36] <vinnl> (That's what you get when you click the link "Follow these instructions" ;-)
[11:37] <Pipak> hallo
[11:37] <vinnl> !hi
[11:38] <Pipak> pls help me, I am novice to ubuntu... how I can mount my HDD NTFS?
[11:38] <vinnl> Pipak, it should just appear on your desktop... Which version of Xubuntu are you using? (You are using Xubuntu, right, not Ubuntu?)
[11:38] <jed> vinnl, thanks, (that link was hard to find logically from the wiki :p)
[11:38] <vinnl> jed, hehe :P
[11:39] <Pipak> thx, yeah Xubuntu ver.8.10
[11:40] <vinnl> Pipak, right... When you go into Applications->Settings->Settings Manager, can you see whether in "Removable Drivers and Media" everything under "Removable Storage" is checked?
[11:41] <vinnl> Oh wait, not sure if that has to do with your issue... But checking shouldn't harm ;-)
[11:41] <Pipak> thx I will w8
[11:42] <charlie-tca> hello, vinnl
[11:42] <vinnl> Pipak, when you open the Places menu, is your drive listed there?
[11:42] <Pipak> it is not
[11:43] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[11:44] <vinnl> Ah, thanks TheSheep  :)
[11:44] <vinnl> I need to take more advantage of ubottu  :)
[11:45] <Pipak> thx a lot
[11:46] <Pipak> bye
[12:22] <charlie-tca> Where can I find a pastebin for images?
[12:22] <vinnl> charlie-tca, imageshack.us? :)
[12:27] <Ishmael> how would i access an ipod like device (not an actual ipod though, knock off type)
[12:27] <vinnl> Ishmael, probably just plug it in and browse it, but that depends on the device
[12:27] <vinnl> How do you do it in other operating systems?
[12:28] <Ishmael> didn't work too well in other operating systems
[12:28] <vinnl> How was it _supposed_ to work? ;-)
[12:30] <Ishmael> it has a usb cable
[12:30] <Ishmael> but...it's really shitty, a family member who i don't respect sent it to me
[12:31] <vinnl> Well, USB-cables are easily replacable, but plugging it in and browsing it should work just as well (or bad) as in other operating systems
[12:32] <Ishmael> so you're saying that if everything were going smoothly it should probably pop up on desktop?
[12:32] <vinnl> Yep
[12:34] <thedave> hi! I have a question regarding poweroff. When I am in the login screen and I press the external on/off switch, the machine just goes off without a proper shutdown. When pressing the same button AFTER login, the menu displays my options and I can do a clear shutdown. Is there a way to configure this behaviour?
[12:36] <charlie-tca> thedave: when you are not logged in, the desktop environment is not there, so the logout plugin is not available.
[12:37] <Ishmael> is there a good command to see what's plugged into the usb ports?
[12:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know  that there is a way to add the plugin to the login screen, since the login window is GDM, not Xfce
[12:37] <thedave> hmm okay. that explains it. but since I use ext2 as a filesystem, this can damage some files if I use the button
[12:37] <vinnl> Ishmael, "lsusb"
[12:37] <thedave> is there any way to tell my system to just invoke a shutdown -now when pressing the button?
[12:38] <Ishmael> thanks
[12:38] <charlie-tca> Yes, but there is SHUTDOWN on the login window, click it for a safe shutdown
[12:38] <thedave> I know, but this machine is more like a router, so I don't always have access to the mouse
[12:38] <charlie-tca> or, go to Ctrl+Alt+F2, login, type "sudo shutdown -P now" and it will do a safe shutdown
[12:39] <Ishmael> i figure the port is dead on it
[12:39] <Ishmael> DOA
[12:40] <thedave> hmm okay thanks. I think this is the way to go until I figure out to do this with some acpi magic or something ;)
[13:06] <Ish> ok, voided the warranty to find out, but it is faulty at the usb port
[13:06] <vinnl> Haha
[13:06] <Ish> had to twist the chip to get it to recognize
[13:07] <Ish> i just need a plier system and i'll be good
[13:08] <Ish> what's the command for that in linux?
[13:08] <vinnl> A plier system?
[13:08] <Ish> yeah, taht will hold the usb plug, and turn it counter clockwise reletive to the chip?
[13:09] <vinnl> Sorry, never heard of that
[13:09] <Ish> it's just gotta put a little bit of pressure
[13:11] <thedave> solved my problem: just editied the /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh and invoked a shutdown
[13:12] <vinnl> Great :)
[13:12] <thedave> I love it. Its so easy.
[13:12] <jarnos> What is the name of Xubuntu's compressing utility?
[13:13] <vinnl> jarnos, file-roller
[13:18] <jarnos> vinnl: can you see it in a menu?
[13:18] <vinnl> jarnos, nope
[13:19] <vidd> vinnl, what are you looking for?
[13:19] <vinnl> vidd, nothing, jarnos  asked for the name of file-roller :)
[13:21] <knome> vinnl, no, he asked for the name of xubuntu's compressing utility ;)
[13:21] <vinnl> ...which is file-roller :P
[13:22] <jarnos> vinnl: I think it is bad, since how users find the program to create a new archive?
[13:22] <vinnl> jarnos, right-click a folder or files and select "Create Archive"
[13:22] <vinnl> (You can also find it using the Appfinder btw)
[13:23] <vidd> do ppl actually expect to open the archiver and then select the files to compress?
[13:24] <vinnl> I can't imagine, that was the reason it was removed from the menu in the first place
[13:25] <jarnos> vinnl: I can't find it by xfce4-appfinder
[13:26] <vinnl> jarnos, search for "Archive"
[13:26] <vidd> gee...perhaps we should add a "ghost" app "archiver" that just depends on file-roller
[13:27] <jarnos> vinnl: It finds only Xarchiver
[13:27] <vinnl> jarnos, which version of Xubutnu are you using?
[13:27] <jarnos> vinnl: Intrepid + Xfce 4.6 from jeromeg's ppa.
[13:28] <vinnl> Hmm, odd... And when you execute file-roller from a terminal window, does it work?
[13:29] <jarnos> vinnl: yes.
[13:29] <vinnl> Very odd
[13:29] <jarnos> vinnl: I removed panel directory from home btw.
[13:30] <vinnl> Panel directory?
[13:30] <jarnos> vinnl: $HOME/.config/xfce4/panel
[13:31] <vinnl> Ah, that shouldn't matter for finding an application
[13:31] <vinnl> Also, I don't think that should matter at all with Xfce 4.6, I suppose xfconf doesn't store its files in there
[13:32] <vidd> my desktop is vanilla and its not in my xfce appfinder either
[13:33] <charlie-tca> the name is Archive Manager, exec is file-roller
[13:33] <vinnl> vidd, that's a vanilla Intrepid?
[13:33] <vidd> and there it is
[13:33] <vidd> yes
[13:34] <vinnl> Strange, I do have it in appfinder
[13:34] <charlie-tca> It's not in Jaunty that I can find, either
[13:34] <charlie-tca> ( in appfinder)
[13:35] <vidd> vinnl, is yours an upgrade-thru-the-years or a fresh i9nstall?
[13:35] <vinnl> Ehm, I upgraded it from Hardy
[13:35] <vidd> thats why
[13:35] <vinnl> So probably something changed for file-roller
[13:36] <vinnl> Supposedly they removed the .desktop file
[13:37] <charlie-tca> It is in /usr/share/applications/Archive Manager
[13:38] <vinnl> :S
[14:40] <rocko> FREEDOM http://freeculturenews.com/2009/01/12/reverse-engineered-broadcom-firmware-available/
[15:09] <TheSheep> seriously, what's with xubuntu changing the default applications to some silly applications for file types every now and then?
[15:10] <TheSheep> first it wanted to open png files with firefox, now evince...
[15:10] <vinnl> ?
[15:10] <vinnl> Without you doing anything?
[15:10] <TheSheep> while I told it several times to do it with comix
[15:10] <TheSheep> well, with me doing apt-get update I suppose
[15:11] <vinnl> In Intrepid?
[15:11] <TheSheep> yeah
[15:11] <vinnl> Very strange :S
[15:11] <TheSheep> yeah
[15:12] <TheSheep> and annoing
[15:15] <TheSheep> I can't reproduce it, but it happened several times already
[15:35] <tingle> what networkmanager does xubuntu use?
[15:35] <vinnl> NetworkManager :)
[15:38] <tingle> vinnl: ty
[15:38] <danopia> hi
[15:38] <vidd> hello danopia
[16:37] <JuanL> quick q xubuntu brothers'
[16:37] <charlie-tca> just ask, JuanL
[16:38] <JuanL> i'm trying to get xubuntu to recognize the mass storage mode of a phone. it normally comes up as a USB drive, anyone know if i have to enable something or anything to that matter? i'm on 8.10 and i'm trying to get the T-Mobile Wing Storage to pop up so i can drag and drop
[16:39] <TheSheep> mass storage == usb drive
[16:40] <JuanL> the phone comes up as the same thing on a windows pc. i'm trying to make the storage card come up.
[16:43] <JuanL> i enabled mass storage on the phone and when i connect to usb it should pop up but nothing is showing on desktop
[16:43] <JuanL> where would i go to manually mount it?
[17:07] <xiq> hello, i'm using xub and windos, and i have a question. Can i install XFCE or XFWM to windows?
[17:09] <xiq> which packages do i need?
[17:21] <pitwalker> xiq: why not run the windos under a virtualbox machine or vice versa?
[17:23] <pitwalker> anyone test xubuntu 9.04? the xfmedia cannot start for me under 2 installations
[17:28] <vidd> pitwalker, is xfmedia installed by default?
[17:29] <vidd> pitwalker, when i try to launch it from terminal, i get The program 'xfmedia' is currently not installed.
[18:02] <pitwalker> :-( xubuntu alternate iso 20090308 is failed during package selection
[18:03] <vidd> pitwalker, did you do a "check disk"?
[18:04] <pitwalker> the rescue mode is unusable in this situation, no dpkg installed only a kernel, the olly one user cannot log in!!
[18:04] <pitwalker> disk is OK :-)
[18:04] <vidd> did you try a cli-only install or full install?
[18:04] <pitwalker> apt-get is available but collide with disk is already mounted and not changed!!
[18:06] <pitwalker> apt-get says: "Media change: please insert disc labeled...." the disk is on /cdrom/ !!!
[18:06] <vidd> pitwalker, can you open /etc/apt/sources.lst?
[18:08] <pitwalker> yes but i only have less, no ANY EDITOR!!!
[18:08] <pitwalker> debian installer is better, that can install a BASIC SYSTEM
[18:08] <vidd> if you have the kernel, you have nano
[18:09] <vidd> pitwalker, the alt installer IS the debian installer =]
[18:09] <pitwalker> hooray I have a "vi" :-)
[18:10] <vidd> comment out the cd line
[18:10] <pitwalker> the package selector is broken for me from 6% to 85% is 6 seconds and says fail, but the CDROM is valid
[18:11] <pitwalker> I'm not familiar with vi :-)
[18:11] <vidd> can you load nano instaed of vi?
[18:11] <pitwalker> I like better joe or nano, I have'n wget to download it
[18:12] <vidd> give me a sec...ill get the vi commands for ya
[18:13] <vidd> pitwalker, he is a good "i can't vi to save my life!" guide
[18:14] <vidd> http://www.cs.wichita.edu/~matrow/textedit.html
[18:14] <pitwalker> vidd: thanks
[18:15] <pitwalker> but easier: rm /etc/apt/sources.list ; echo deb http://... > /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:15] <vidd> if you comment out the cd call, you should be able to get the rest of the packages via apt-get
[18:15] <vidd> just remember to update =]
[18:15] <pitwalker> the oly one line is the cdrom repository :-))
[18:16] <vidd> do you know the other repo's?
[18:16] <vidd> and can yuou ping out on that machine?
[18:17] <pitwalker> ifconfig and route is good
[18:17] <vidd> good
[18:17] <pitwalker> i run this jaunty i know my repos
[18:18]  * vidd personally prefers to use the mini iso
[18:19] <pitwalker> what is the mini iso
[18:19] <vidd> its ubuntu's net installer....
[18:19] <vidd> !mini
[18:21] <vidd> pitwalker, for JJ .... http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[18:21] <vidd> its 11mb
[18:22] <vidd> specifically designed to dl everything off the internet
[18:23] <vidd> best part of it is that you can install whatever flavor of *buntu you want...all from one disk
[18:26] <pitwalker> it works! i can apt-get nano with jaunty main restricted repo :-)
[18:26] <vidd> i should hope so
[18:27] <vidd> you should also be able to apt-get wget
[18:27] <pitwalker> done i edit all of the repos and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[18:28] <vidd> and then sudo wget [path to clean source on your network]
[18:28] <pitwalker> wget is good but now I don' need
[18:28]  * vidd is a slow typest
[18:28] <vidd> (his spelling socks too!)
[18:30] <vidd> pitwalker, you still should get up-close-and-personal with your good friend vi
[18:30] <vidd> =]
[18:31] <pitwalker> the etc/passwd file and the /etc/shadow is bad, because I have only one user the root but root can't have password
[18:32] <pitwalker> i try passwd
[18:32] <pitwalker> apt-get remove vi
[18:32] <vidd> your working in the recovery console right?
[18:33] <pitwalker> no package I rm it
[18:33] <pitwalker> yes but only the TTY1 is good
[18:33] <vidd> is /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow present?
[18:35] <vidd> pitwalker, is /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow present?
[18:37] <pitwalker> i set the root's password :-) hut how can i allow root to log in the graphical environment?
[18:37] <pitwalker> or i must add a new user now
[18:38] <vidd> you would need to either add a user, or configure the system to allow root login
[18:38] <vidd> there are a few things you should do first
[18:39] <vidd> step one....finish the apt-get update && apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[18:39] <pitwalker> i install icewm
[18:39] <pitwalker> and synaptic
[18:39] <vidd> or whatever desktop you want
[18:40] <vidd> you need to install ubuntu-standard as well
[18:41] <vidd> this will give you "useradd" "sudo" and a bunch of other very useful items
[18:42] <vidd> personally....rather then hack-attack this issue, id get the mini iso and start over =]
[18:42] <pitwalker> nice package i install it (nano wget dosfstools...)
[18:43] <vidd> what? ubuntu-standard?
[18:43] <pitwalker> yes ubuntu-standard
[18:43] <vidd> that is the "this is the cli-only" package
[18:44] <vidd> from there you will want to install your DM and your WM
[18:45] <pitwalker> what DM can i use? what is the default for xfce? (gdm?)
[18:45] <vidd> to the best of my knowledge, synaptic doesnt require either
[18:46] <vidd> gdm is the default for xubuntu.....
[18:46] <vidd> but if your using ice, then you might want to consider slinm
[18:46] <vidd> *slim
[18:46] <pitwalker> the PC have 160MB of SDRAM and a MMX250MHz CPU
[18:46]  * vidd uses slim/openbox for his uber-lite systems
[18:47] <vidd> pitwalker, your system does not meet the min requirements for xubuntu
[18:47] <pitwalker> i install icewm :-;
[18:47] <vidd> your short 32MB of ram =]
[18:47] <pitwalker> ;-)
[18:48] <vidd> so anyway
[18:48] <pitwalker> the min system requirements is on xubuntu.org? i cannot find
[18:49] <vidd> pitwalker, they are on the same page as the links to download
[18:50] <vidd> http://xubuntu.org/get
[18:50] <vidd> you may need to scroll down to see the requirements
[18:50] <pitwalker> next time I read it, the swap file is too small, only 200MB
[18:52] <pitwalker> dependency tree building is very slow
[18:52] <vidd> you have a slow system =]
[18:52] <pitwalker> but works :-)
[18:53] <vidd> also, you have to take into consideration that apt-cache is being built for the first time
[18:54] <vidd> this is all "behind the curtain" stuff you dont notice during install
[18:55] <vidd> but a good rule of thumb is  swap = ram x 2
[18:55] <pitwalker> HDD is under 5400RPM :-(
[18:56] <pitwalker> my rule swap <=ram x 2
[18:56] <vidd> thats crazy talk
[18:57] <vidd> for low end machines, you should be thinking >= not <=
[18:57] <vidd> now if you have 4 GB of ram, then a smaller swap would be understandable
[18:58] <pitwalker> I plan to add another HDD for only the wpas later
[18:59] <pitwalker> a unused 1GB = 0$
[18:59] <pitwalker> the whole system costs 0$
[19:01] <vidd> the same with most of mine
[19:01] <juanito_> i want to read a .chm file
[19:01] <juanito_> which package should i install?
[19:02] <vidd> juanito_, what exactly is a chm file?
[19:02] <juanito_> well it is like a book in pdf
[19:02] <juanito_> but the extension is chm
[19:02] <pitwalker> apt-get install xchm
[19:02] <juanito_> xchm ok
[19:03] <juanito_> thanks a lot
[19:03] <pitwalker> chm is windows's packed html help format
[19:03] <vidd> ah
[19:03] <vidd> proprietary crap
[19:04] <pitwalker> 62% dependency tree for slim!
[19:04] <pitwalker> why?
[19:05] <vidd> huh?
[19:07] <pitwalker> libc6 lib...... I currently no have libs
[19:09] <vidd> sounds about right
[19:14] <pitwalker> juanito_: archmage (CHM(Compiled HTML) Decompressor)
[19:23] <vidd> pitwalker, how you making out?
[19:30] <pitwalker> slim is ready
[19:31] <pitwalker> but how can I add a sudoer user?
[19:36] <mikubuntu> i don't know what gives, firefox wants to save every file instead of opening with application upon download ... is this a firefox prob or could it have to do with os?
[19:37] <TheSheep> install ubufox
[19:38] <mikubuntu> hmmm... nver heard of it, is it new?
[19:38] <TheSheep> no
[19:38] <TheSheep> it's basically a set of default settings for firefox
[19:38] <mikubuntu> actively developed?
[19:38] <mikubuntu> oh, add on?
[19:38] <TheSheep> yes, but it's in repos
[19:39] <TheSheep> !info ubufox
[19:39] <vidd> pitwalker, sorry...i went to smoke
[19:39] <mikubuntu> i set the preferences to what i wanted but ff not obeying
[19:39] <vidd> pitwalker, did you install sudo? (ubuntu-standard)?
[19:40] <mikubuntu> thx, the sheep, i will check it out
[19:42] <gusibad> someone can help me to reconfigure my onboard video card
[19:42] <vidd> which card?
[19:42] <gusibad> i a new in the linux wolrd
[19:42] <gusibad> vidd, i don´t know exactly
[19:43] <vidd> what does lspci tell you?
[19:44] <gusibad> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 21)
[19:44] <gusibad> my system is out the box but is very slow
[19:44] <vidd> gusibad, it should be auto-configured for you already
[19:44] <vidd> how much ram?
[19:44] <gusibad> 512
[19:45] <gusibad> mb
[19:45] <vidd> why do you think your video card needs to be reconfigured?
[19:46] <gusibad> because i have installed other linux versions and isn´t very slow
[19:47] <gusibad> Xubuntu is lite and goes very slow ...
[19:47] <vidd> slow does not equal wrong video
[19:47] <vidd> define "slow"
[19:47] <vidd> and xubuntu is not "lite"
[19:48] <gusibad> when i tipping the letters showing slow
[19:48] <gusibad> and the web pages scrolling is not good...
[19:48] <vidd> what version?
[19:48] <gusibad> Intrepid
[19:49] <vidd> open up the task manager
[19:49] <vidd> system monitor under the system menu
[19:49] <gusibad> ok
[19:50] <vidd> (im waiting for mine to load)
[19:50] <gusibad> ok
[19:50] <gusibad> ready
[19:50] <vidd> im not...
[19:50] <gusibad> itś open
[19:51] <pitwalker> anybody knows a light window manager usable without mouse?
[19:52] <vidd> pitwalker, i think that defeats the entire purpose of a wm....
[19:52] <pitwalker> when i start icevm without mouse freeze, and my keyboard is crazy on terminals
[19:52] <vidd> gusibad, go to the processes tab
[19:52] <gusibad> i´m here
[19:52] <vidd> sort "%CPU" high to low....
[19:53] <vidd> what is using up most of your cpu?
[19:53] <vidd> pitwalker, you need to sudo apt-get install hal
[19:54] <vidd> pit this will fix the mouse in slim
[19:54] <pitwalker> "killall slim" improved my keyboard
[19:54] <gusibad> vidd gnome-system-monitor
[19:54] <vidd> pitwalker, hal is used to control the mouse and keyboard drivers now
[19:55] <vidd> what %?
[19:55] <vidd> gusibad, ^^
[19:55] <gusibad> 17
[19:55] <gusibad> percent
[19:55] <gusibad> is very slow ...
[19:55] <gusibad> :S
[19:55] <vidd> pitwalker, without hal, keyboard and mouse will be wierd or non-functional
[19:56] <pitwalker> hal is currently installed
[19:56] <gusibad> i can minimize nothing...
[19:56] <gusibad> because the windows freeze for a second
[19:57] <vidd> gusibad, how much swap did you set up during install?
[19:57] <pitwalker> vidd: tomorrow I get a serial mouse, thank for all!
[19:57] <vidd> pitwalker, a serial mouse?!?
[19:58] <gusibad> itś for default...
[19:58] <vidd> gusibad, and that is....?
[19:58] <juanito_> is it bettter to create a logical partition for home inside the extended one that contains the swap?
[19:58] <gusibad> 1.3 GB
[19:59] <vidd> gusibad, have you rebooted?
[19:59] <vidd> or are you running the live cd now?
[20:00] <vidd> juanito_, TBH, i dont think it matters
[20:00] <gusibad> i´m reboot....
[20:00] <gusibad> and star session on my new system
[20:00] <gusibad> 30 minutes ago
[20:00] <vidd> so your in the live cd?
[20:01] <juanito_> ok vidd
[20:01] <gusibad> no  i´m in the OS installed vidd
[20:01] <vidd> so the live cd is not in your cdrom tray?
[20:02] <vidd> then gusibad i have no idea where to go next for troubleshooting
[20:02] <juanito_> i'm in ubuntu and i installed xfce desktop. do i have to install for example the restricted extras for xubuntu?
[20:02] <pitwalker> vidd: The PC have only one USB and no PS/2
[20:02] <gusibad> vidd
[20:02] <gusibad> thanks anyways dude
[20:02] <gusibad> :)
[20:02] <gusibad> nice try
[20:03] <vidd> juanito_, for what?
[20:03] <juanito_> vidd i mean
[20:03] <juanito_> if i installed them using ubuntu
[20:03] <juanito_> and now
[20:03] <juanito_> with this desktop i don't need to install them again
[20:04] <vidd> ah...no, if the extras are already installed, it does not matter which DM and WM you have running
[20:04] <vidd> right
[20:04] <juanito_> ahhh
[20:04] <juanito_> ok thanks that was running into my head
[20:04] <vidd> the desktop is "just another program"
[20:04] <juanito_> ;)
[20:05] <juanito_> thanks a lot
[20:05] <vidd> np
[20:05] <juanito_> i like xubuntu
[20:05] <juanito_> but i like trying other desktops too
[20:05] <vidd> pitwalker, so your mouse is usb? or are you using a ps/2-to-usb?
[20:06] <slow-motion> hi
[20:06] <vidd> hello slow-motion
[20:06] <pitwalker> vidd: currently I not use mouse on that pc :-)
[20:06] <pitwalker> tomorrow
[20:06] <vidd> ah...ic
[20:06] <slow-motion> hi vidd
[20:07] <vidd> pitwalker, you asked about adding a user to sudo b4....
[20:07] <vidd> edit your /etc/group file
[20:07] <vidd> and add the user to the "admin" line
[20:09] <juanito_> using konversation in gnome should be fine too
[20:09] <juanito_> or ktorrent
[20:09] <juanito_> in xfce
[20:09] <vidd> pitwalker, it should look something like admin:x:109:vidd
[20:09] <ferdinant> hey ppl
[20:10] <ferdinant> I would like to build
[20:10] <ferdinant> xfce from source ( the latest release )
[20:10] <vidd> the number may be different, and, of course replace "vidd" with your username
[20:10] <ferdinant> any tips before I start compiling?
[20:10] <hollywoodb> ferdinant: use the xfce wiki to get the build order and dependencies right
[20:10] <vidd> ferdinant, download the .deb's from the jaunty repos
[20:10] <hollywoodb> ferdinant: but you don't need to build 4.6, you can use jerome's PPA
[20:11] <hollywoodb> https://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa
[20:11] <vidd> heh...or that
[20:14] <ferdinant> thanks
[20:16] <pitwalker> vidd: I must edit the sudoers
[20:16] <vidd> pitwalker, only if you want a broken system
[20:19] <pitwalker> not broken
[20:19] <pitwalker> it works
[20:19] <vidd> pitwalker, you havent restarted yet
[20:19] <pitwalker> i add a line %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[20:20] <pitwalker> i not restarted yes
[20:20] <vidd> but you did not need to touch sudoers at all
[20:20] <pitwalker> yet
[20:21] <pitwalker> why not add the ubuntu default %admin line?
[20:21] <vidd> it should have already been there
[20:22] <vidd> and HOW did you edit sudoers?
[20:22] <pitwalker> what happen when I restart this system? what happen when i edit sudoers via non visudo?
[20:22] <pitwalker> i edited with nano via ssh
[20:22] <vidd> you get  rice crisppies....snap, crackle, and POP!
[20:23] <vidd> broken system
[20:23] <pitwalker> and i logged in to tty1 via root
[20:23] <vidd> you dont see that its broken because you are root
[20:23] <pitwalker> ok reboot
[20:23] <vidd> once you log into they system as not root....BORK
[20:24] <vidd> oh...and root might break too
[20:24] <Narcissus> No, it should work
[20:24] <vidd> Narcissus, i hope it does
[20:24] <pitwalker> booting
[20:24] <Narcissus> because I have done exactly the same
[20:24] <Narcissus> you don't even need to reboot
[20:24] <vidd> but it is very bad to mess with sudoers
[20:24] <Narcissus> No it's not, if you know what you're doing
[20:24] <vidd> Narcissus, he is root
[20:25] <vidd> he needs to log out of root (or su user)
[20:25] <Narcissus> adding  %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL will allow all users in the group admin to sudo, requiring a password
[20:26] <pitwalker> i can log in via ssh as root :-)
[20:26] <vidd> yes...but adding it via nano? not a good idea i should think
[20:26] <Narcissus> vidd: it doesn't make a different
[20:26] <Narcissus> difference*
[20:26] <Narcissus> visudo simply opens /etc/sudoers in vi
[20:26] <Narcissus> a text editor
[20:26] <Narcissus> using nano, or notepad on windows then copying it back over would still work
[20:26] <vidd> Narcissus, it also will not let you save and exit if there is an error
[20:26] <Narcissus> it doesn't matter what you edit in, just that you do it properly
[20:27] <pitwalker> i can login via ssh as user and can "sudo bash" :-)
[20:27] <Narcissus> yes vidd, but quite a few people don't like vi/vim
[20:27] <Narcissus> pitwalker: sudo bash is baaaadd
[20:27] <vidd> pitwalker, can you "sudo apt-get update" ?
[20:27] <pitwalker> i like sudo bash
[20:28] <pitwalker> i am the admin
[20:28] <Narcissus> the point of sudo, is that it's logged.
[20:28] <vidd> pitwalker, then why bother logging in as a user?
[20:28] <Narcissus> so you sudo <command> and it's logged
[20:28] <Narcissus> sudo bash will be logged, but the subsequent commands wont be
[20:28] <Narcissus> so I could sudo bash
[20:28] <Narcissus> cat /etc/shadow
[20:28] <Narcissus> and then you wouldn't have known what I've done
[20:29] <pitwalker> sudo apt-get update also works
[20:29] <pitwalker> if you run mc the commands also invisible
[20:29] <vidd> pitwalker, then you successfully updated sudoers without visudo
[20:29] <pitwalker> yes
[20:30]  * vidd will always recommend against this 
[20:30] <vidd> so...next issue?
[20:30] <pitwalker> ok, but we have a good rescue cd, is a Gentoo SYSTEMRESCUECD
[20:30] <pitwalker> when we fails
[20:31] <Narcissus> ...
[20:31] <vidd> the "recovery" option in grub works too
[20:31] <Narcissus> yah
[20:31] <Narcissus> or init level 4
[20:31] <Narcissus> if ubuntu uses init, i can never remember
[20:32] <vidd> ubuntu uses init.d
[20:32] <pitwalker> what do ubuntu when I enter init 1, and to root console, and root don't have a password?
[20:32] <vidd> dunno if thats the same as what your thinking or not
[20:32] <vidd> pitwalker, huh?
[20:33] <pitwalker> enter ROOT'S password (or Control-D for maintenance)
[20:33] <Narcissus> no its not vidd
[20:33] <pitwalker> I can sudo init 1
[20:33] <vidd> pitwalker, normally, this means your system is borkd
[20:33] <Narcissus> no it doesn't
[20:34] <Narcissus> pitwalker: it's a utility that allows you to fix partitions without mounting anythign
[20:34] <vidd> if the average user boots up and gets this screen, then his sytem is messed up
[20:34] <Narcissus> so if you boot into init 1, it might mount things as read only, so you can fsck
[20:34] <vidd> thats the whole point of GETTING this screen
[20:34] <Narcissus> I have that quite often on my arch box if I don't unmount properly
[20:35] <vidd> like i said "messed up"
[20:35] <pitwalker> in a 9.04 testing environment is nor tare command:init 1
[20:35] <pitwalker> not rare
[20:35] <pitwalker> not rare killall gdm
[20:36] <pitwalker> nor rare terminals not work but ping is ok
[20:36] <vidd> pitwalker, ive never had that issue
[20:37] <vidd> pitwalker, so is your system good now? or do you still need some assistance?
[20:37] <pitwalker> I thanks, I not need any assistance.
[20:38] <pitwalker> I have many systems
[20:38] <JoeBob> Hey guys, I'm at the screen where it says "Try Xubuntu without and change to your computer". I hit the enter button and nothing happens.  What gives?
[20:38] <vidd> JoeBob, how much ram you got?
[20:38] <pitwalker> enough your RAM?
[20:39] <JoeBob> Not sure one sec
[20:39] <vidd> also...make sure your keyboard is detected
[20:39] <pitwalker> How many MB of ram do you have? The PC hardware is good?
[20:40] <vidd> (hit the numlock or caplock key and see if it lights up)
[20:40] <pitwalker> CTRL+ALT+F8
[20:40] <JoeBob> 512
[20:41] <vidd> JoeBob, are you able to toggle the cap/num lock?
[20:41] <JoeBob> Keyboard works because I can select language and select options
[20:42] <vidd> usb or internal cdrom?
[20:42] <JoeBob> Internal
[20:42] <vidd> only one optical drive?
[20:42] <JoeBob> 2
[20:42] <vidd> is the cd in the "master" optical drive?
[20:43] <JoeBob> I think so
[20:43] <JoeBob> Its a windows computer. when hitting F1 to change boot options, only one cd rom drives shows
[20:44] <pitwalker> try to disable the second drive in the bios, if on individual controller, or unplug power and data cables
[20:45] <pitwalker> Its a BIOS computer
[20:45] <vidd> try swapping the drive you put the disk in
[20:45] <pitwalker> the bios's boot order not same with linuxs device order
[20:45] <JoeBob> you mean make the other cdrom the master drive?
[20:45] <vidd> usually, the "master" drive is the top
[20:46] <pitwalker> but this is a live cd self searching bug
[20:46] <pitwalker> maybe
[20:46] <JoeBob> yup thats the one with the cd inside
[20:46] <vidd> no...put the disk in the other optical device...or disable the other optical device
[20:48] <JoeBob> If I try the other cddrive, I get error saying "Invalid Boot Diskette"
[20:48] <JoeBob> I'll try disconnection the drive because bios won't allow me to disable drive
[20:49] <vidd> diskette????
[20:49] <pitwalker> good luck! I go to sleep.
[20:50] <pitwalker> ooh do you have a floppy in a FDD?
[20:50] <pitwalker> or bios boot order not updated and runs out
[20:51] <vidd> eject the floppy drive
[20:51] <JoeBob> I haven't used a floppy in 9 years
[20:51] <pitwalker> this can happen when no boot device exists
[20:51] <pitwalker> no boot list
[20:51] <vidd> no hard drive?
[20:51] <pitwalker> no any device
[20:52] <pitwalker> BIOSES are buggy
[20:52] <vidd> JoeBob, is there a hard drive?
[20:52] <JoeBob> Yes, the computer works fine
[20:52] <JoeBob> I can boot normally into windows
[20:53] <JoeBob> burn cds whatever
[20:53] <vidd> then why on earth would you get "invalid boot diskette" error on a cdrom drive
[20:53] <JoeBob> Your guess is as good as mine
[20:53] <vidd> is that drive disabled?
[20:53] <JoeBob> I'll pull the cord on it hold on
[20:55] <JoeBob> Okay, only one HDD and one CDR drive connected. Still same problem
[20:55] <JoeBob> I think windows doesn't want me to install xubuntu
[20:55] <vidd> that was one quick reboot
[20:56] <vidd> please tell me you killed power before pulling cords!
[20:56] <JoeBob> Yes
[20:56] <vidd> ok....
[20:56] <vidd> lets try this,.....
[20:56] <vidd> reconnect all your stuff....
[20:57] <vidd> do you intend to dual boot?
[20:57] <JoeBob> I've installed hardware and liux many times
[20:57] <vidd> or just test-drive it?
[20:57] <JoeBob> test drive it so I can get family off windows
[20:57] <JoeBob> They not sure if they will like it
[20:58] <vidd> there is the wubi option
[20:58] <vidd> !wubi
[20:58] <pitwalker> wubi is too slow
[20:58] <pitwalker> repartitioning is the best
[21:01] <JoeBob> hmm I think I might try ubuntu and redownloading xubuntu
[21:01] <JoeBob> maybe the burn got messed up
[21:02] <pitwalker> chack the md5sum
[21:02] <pitwalker> validate the media
[21:02] <JoeBob> you mean "check cd for defects"?
[21:02] <pitwalker> fsum check in windows
[21:02] <pitwalker> yes
[21:02] <JoeBob> That doesn't work
[21:03] <pitwalker> you can burn wrong CD from good ISO
[21:03] <JoeBob> Hitting enter on every option but option "boot from first hard disk" doesn't work
[21:03] <pitwalker> ImgBURN is the best under windows
[21:03] <pitwalker> can verify
[21:03] <TheSheep> it's important to do the check on the same cd drive that you are going to use for installation
[21:03] <JoeBob> I burned xubuntu on macbook
[21:03] <TheSheep> old cd drives have often problems reading cheap cds burned with high speeds
[21:04] <pitwalker> i don't  try macbook
[21:04] <pitwalker> please try the live cd in other PC
[21:04] <JoeBob> only one pc
[21:05] <pitwalker> please download virtualbox for mac and try to run the ISO
[21:05] <pitwalker> i write form virtualbox with linux guest windows host
[21:07] <pitwalker> oops virtualbox only works with intelMACS
[21:07] <JoeBob> Its already installed testing rightnow
[21:09] <JoeBob> Same problem in VM
[21:10] <JoeBob> Guess that means cd crappy
[21:11] <pitwalker> if you read back the CD to a ISO file and check that md5sum and this is same as the cdimage.ubuntu.com/your release/MD5SUM file, the CD is valid
[21:11] <vidd> wait....
[21:11] <vidd> JoeBob, you burned the cd from a macbook?
[21:11] <JoeBob> yes
[21:11] <vidd> it wont work on a PC then
[21:11] <pitwalker> You use a CD-RW?
[21:12] <JoeBob> Yes cdrw
[21:12] <JoeBob> but why won't it work
[21:12] <vidd> you mac is ppc arch...right?
[21:12] <JoeBob> intel
[21:13] <vidd> will it boot correctly on the mac?
[21:13] <JoeBob> It mounts correctly
[21:13] <vidd> will it boot?
[21:13] <pitwalker> intel mac can boot to this cd
[21:13] <ndeah> I have problems installing xubuntu 8.10 alternate
[21:14] <pitwalker> ndeah: package selection broken?
[21:14] <ndeah> sources.list only cdROM entry
[21:14] <vidd> pitwalker, but if the cd will boot on the mac but not the pc, then its because the iso was burned for mac-intel and not pc
[21:15] <ndeah> checking the cd from the alternate main menu shows md5sum error
[21:15] <vidd> ndeah, did the install go smoothly? or did it fail?
[21:15] <vidd> ndeah, then its a bad burn
[21:15] <ndeah> fail. the installation hangs at step of installing software
[21:16] <JoeBob> I duon't know, I try burning the cd on windows.
[21:16] <vidd> your option are either reburn the disk, or do a hack install like i walked pitwalker thru earlier
[21:17] <ndeah> vidd: burned 3 times, slowest mode. a friend also 2 times different cd burners
[21:17] <JoeBob> Thanks for your time guys
[21:17] <vidd> JoeBob, its best to burn it from the pc that is going to run it
[21:17] <vidd> ndeah, did you verify the image?
[21:17] <pitwalker> ndeah: not hard the install without bad packages and olyn CD repo
[21:18] <pitwalker> ndeah: please run the memtest option for 2 hours
[21:18] <ndeah> vidd: verify. yes
[21:18] <pitwalker> if you burn one the CD please use VERIFY
[21:18] <pitwalker> BEFORE you burn the cd please check the md5sum
[21:19] <pitwalker> sometimes CD drives are unclean, i read back a ubuntu cd 2 times badly and the 4th is good the drive is clean :-)
[21:20] <ndeah> so there is no knownissue?
[21:20] <pitwalker> i try 3 hours before with xubuntu 9.04 daily 2009-03-08
[21:21] <vidd> no...its a bad burn
[21:21] <pitwalker> no comment
[21:21] <ndeah> ok. thank you. makes it easier for me. will try again.
[21:21] <vidd> pitwalker, you want to walk ndeah thru fixing his system?
[21:21] <pitwalker> ndeah: because ubuntu changes rapidly I recommend CR-RW
[21:22]  * vidd recommends the mini iso =]
[21:22] <pitwalker> ndeah: please read back the log, tomorrow i must go to work, byebye
[21:22] <vidd> its only 10 mb
[21:22] <pitwalker> i also recommend the mini iso
[21:23] <ndeah> vidd: I'm using the mini.iso now for my machine. but need iso's for a computer room
[21:23] <ndeah> pidwalker: thankyou
[21:23] <vidd> ndeah, the computer room have internet access?
[21:23] <ndeah> yes. but slow
[21:24] <vidd> slow is better then not at all....
[21:24] <vidd> you MIGHT want to make a local mirror
[21:24] <ndeah> you think slow internet connection better than slow/old cdrom drives?
[21:25] <vidd> ndeah, you KNOW the mini iso is working
[21:25] <vidd> and its already burnt
[21:25] <ndeah> mini.iso already installed. getting the xfce-desktop
[21:26] <knome> xubuntu-desktop ?
[21:26]  * vidd has to go home now
[21:26] <ndeah> yes
[21:26] <knome> see you vidd
[21:26] <ndeah> thank you vidd
[21:26] <vidd> l8r
[21:37] <ladanz> hi guys, i need some help with grub: cause of a lack of knowledge i installed grub on a second partition while testing arch(failed) now i want to delete the arch partition, but i think grub uses it still for config files and stuff, how do i say grub to use the old(first) partition?
[21:38] <ladanz> i tried grub-install /dev/sda2 (old partition) but it didn't worked...
[21:46] <juanito_> should i use k3b in xubuntu?
[21:49] <hollywoodb> juanito_: if you want to... it will run fine, and it's mostly personal preference when it comes to cd/dvd burning
[21:50] <juanito_> ok thanks
[21:50] <juanito_> i've used this program in other distros
[21:50] <juanito_> it's a very good one
[23:50] <Dab202> hello
[23:50] <Dab202> is there anyway i can boot from a usb drive or something other than a CD
[23:50] <Dab202> my CD drive is busted
[23:52] <Dab202> anyone>
[23:52] <Dab202> ?
[23:58] <zoredache> !install