[00:43] <DoYouKnow> did you guys see my network-manager bug? I am michael sabino
[00:43] <DoYouKnow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/339716
[00:44] <DoYouKnow> it relates to an interplay of b43 and network-manager
[00:44] <bruce89> we're not developers
[00:44] <bruce89> well, not Ubuntu ones
[00:45] <DoYouKnow> ok
[00:45] <thehook> #ubuntu-dev
[00:46] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu-devel is not the place for "oh, here's my bug, please fix it".  That's why we have a bugtracker.
[00:46]  * Hobbsee also notes that there's a whole bunch of bugs about that, on a variety of cards, it appears
[00:47] <DoYouKnow> ok
[00:48] <Hobbsee> I think i had that earlier, too, on an intel card.  I think I killed network manager then restarted it, and it worked
[00:48] <Hobbsee> oh, and iwlist eth0 scan'd, too
[00:56] <dtchen> bruce89: a few people here are devs
[00:57] <Hobbsee> dtchen: doesn't mean we instantly become "here, fix my bug!" support people, though ;)
[00:57] <dtchen> Hobbsee: :-)
[00:57] <bruce89> I don't let facts get in the way of a dramatic statement
[00:58] <Hobbsee> heh :)
[01:45] <bruce89> Siegfried: which issue?
[01:46] <Siegfried> swegner already gave me the fix thanks :) (for flashplugin)
[01:47] <bruce89> so I see
[01:53] <ethana2> If I install 9.04 on a flash drive and run updates
[01:53] <ethana2> I can clear out all old packages, right?
[01:53] <bruce89> yes
[01:54] <ethana2> bruce89: ..was that for me?
[01:54] <bruce89> I anticipated it
[01:54] <ethana2> ..so then if I install from that flash drive
[01:54] <ethana2> it won't be out of date like if I did it from a disc?
[01:55] <bruce89> I assume so
[01:55] <ethana2> if that's true, it's going to be pretty awesome
[01:55] <ethana2> rock on, guys
[01:55] <ethana2> thanks, bruce89
[02:45] <musikgoat|main> anyone running jaunty can you confirm whether remote desktop viewer has terminal services support yet?
[02:46] <bruce89> nope
[02:47] <musikgoat|main> thanks bruce89
[02:48] <bruce89> I don't think it ever will, there is no real reason to
[02:48] <musikgoat|main> bruce89: why have vnc and rdp need two separate programs
[02:49] <musikgoat|main> bruce89: its in the roadmap for gnome 2.26 anyways
[02:49] <bruce89> was it?
[02:49] <musikgoat|main> yes
[02:49] <bruce89> right enough
[02:51] <musikgoat|main> imo, one remote deskop client that supports vnc and rdp would be useful and less confusing for newcomers
[02:51] <bruce89> I'm sure it'll happen for 2.28 then
[03:07] <SeveredCross> 2.28 should have some really nice things.
[03:08] <calc> and 3.0 next spring :)
[03:08] <calc> 3.0 just in time for the LTS, lol
[03:10] <SeveredCross> -_-'
[03:11] <SeveredCross> I doubt LTS will ship 3.0 though...I think Canonical learned from the fracas when they shipped FF 3.0 beta with the last LTS.
[03:11] <crdlb> gnome 3.0 won't be much of a '.0'
[03:11] <SeveredCross> And I imagine GNOME 3.0 will be a much more complex beast.
[03:11] <crdlb> certainly not kde-style
[03:12] <SeveredCross> I hope not anyway. GNOME 2.0 wasn't much of a .0, so let's hope that continues.
[03:12] <crdlb> lol
[03:12] <crdlb> you don't remember 2.0 well, do you?
[03:12] <bruce89> Ubuntu is too boring, no new GDM, no new g-p-m
[03:12] <crdlb> the only thing it had over kde 4.0 was that it was relatively stable
[03:13] <SeveredCross> The only thing I was referring to was stability. ;)
[03:13] <crdlb> but it didn't _do_ anything
[03:13] <SeveredCross> bruce89: Didn't new GDM just land in Jaunty?
[03:13] <SeveredCross> I could've sworn
[03:13] <crdlb> pretty sure it'll be in karmic
[03:13] <SeveredCross> No, never mind, still on 2.20.
[03:13] <crdlb> there's a PPA
[03:14] <SeveredCross> Lots of things are looking to be really nice in Karmic.
[03:14] <bruce89> gie's the PPA
[03:14] <SeveredCross> Including the usplash replacement (Plymouth I think?)
[03:14] <bruce89> guess where that came from
[03:14] <SeveredCross> Fedora I believe.
[03:15] <crdlb> rhel alpha
[03:15] <bruce89> that's what I mean
[03:17] <bruce89> Ubuntu is Debian very unstable
[03:44] <billybigrigger> can someone who uses compiz confirm a bug for me?
[03:44] <billybigrigger> using the rotating cube desktop, pressing ctrl-alt-down shows all open applications in the bottom bar on all screens?
[03:45] <crdlb> by "bottom bar" you mean the panel?
[03:45] <billybigrigger> for whatever desktop is active, it shows the applications on all desktops
[03:45] <billybigrigger> yes
[03:45] <crdlb> that's not a bug
[03:46] <billybigrigger> why?
[03:46] <crdlb> there is only one panel; it just changes its contents when you switch workspaces
[03:46] <billybigrigger> it shows desktop 1 apps on all 4 desktops
[03:46] <crdlb> when you use an effect like cube, you're _not_ changing the workspace until you terminate it
[03:46] <billybigrigger> or all of #2 apps on all 4 desktops
[03:46] <crdlb> so the panel shows whatever it was showing when you started it
[03:46] <billybigrigger> well id say thats a bug
[03:47] <billybigrigger> desktop 1 apps are on desktop 1
[03:47] <billybigrigger> not all 4
[03:47] <crdlb> do you understand what I'm saying?
[03:47] <billybigrigger> i know what your saying yes
[03:47] <crdlb> there is only one panel
[03:47] <crdlb> it can't be fixed
[03:47] <billybigrigger> hmm
[03:48] <crdlb> for expo, you can disable showing panels entirely
[03:48] <billybigrigger> CAN'T be
[03:48] <billybigrigger> or no one wants to
[03:48] <crdlb> it can't be fixed
[03:48] <billybigrigger> nothing is impossible
[03:48] <billybigrigger> :P
[03:48] <crdlb> unless you want to have a panel on each viewport wasting memory
[03:48] <billybigrigger> haha i dont care ive got memory to spare
[03:48] <crdlb> and it wouldn't really work correctly, since it wouldn't be of type=dock then
[03:49] <billybigrigger> fair enough
[03:49] <crdlb> you'd have to create identical panels on each workspace
[04:03] <nroot7> I am using 9.04 and I am not able to use my already configured network printer or add a new printer?
[04:04] <nroot7> How can I find source of problem
[04:06] <Starcraftmazter> hello
[04:06] <Starcraftmazter> i can't seem to kill the pcspkr on my laptop no matter what I do :/
[04:06] <Starcraftmazter> does anyone have any advice?
[04:19] <bruce89> wow, the new GDM now gets all those notify-osd dialogues
[04:19] <bruce89> nice to get a storm of rubbish when you switch users
[04:26] <ripps> Starcraftmazter: try adding "blacklist snd-pcsp" to your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:30] <masu3701> is this the channel for jaunty 9.04?
[04:31] <Starcraftmazter> yes
[04:32] <ripps> Does anybody here know how to run autogen.sh within debian/rules? I tried asking #ubuntu-motu, but there not really talkative today.
[04:32] <masu3701> i try to update from 8.10 but then i didnt have internet...how can i fix that?
[04:33] <Starcraftmazter> ripps: that doesnt seem to habe worked. any other ideas?
[04:34] <ripps> Starcraftmazter: did you reboot, it removes a kernel module.
[04:34] <bruce89> !ot | masu3701
[04:34] <Starcraftmazter> i did
[04:35] <ripps> paste "lsmod" to a pastebin, let me see if the pcspkr is a snd module
[04:35] <ripps> ^Starcraftmazter
[04:35] <Starcraftmazter> what is a pastebin?
[04:36] <bruce89> !pastebin
[04:36] <Starcraftmazter> ty
[04:36] <masu3701> so #ubuntu is the support channel for jaunty 9.04?
[04:36] <bruce89> no
[04:36] <bruce89> oh, misunderstood your statement
[04:37] <ripps> #ubuntu is for <=intepid, #ubuntu+1 is for jaunty
[04:37]  * bruce89 is pleased to see DVDs work flawlessly in totem in Jaunty
[04:38] <Starcraftmazter2> ripps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/128609/
[04:38] <masu3701> cause i ask something about jaunty on here and someone talk me to go to #ubuntu
[04:39] <bruce89> masu3701: sorry, I was wrong
[04:39] <masu3701> bruce89: so what is it
[04:40] <ripps> Starcraftmazter2: hmm... it seems that you sound card is probably in control of the pc speaker. Are you sure you can't just mute in the Gnome Mixer?
[04:40] <crdlb> masu3701: you can't connect to the Internet in 8.10?
[04:40] <bruce89> masu3701: here is fine
[04:40] <crdlb> or just not when trying to update?
[04:40] <masu3701> crdlb: jaunty 9.04
[04:40] <crdlb> oh, you _did_ update
[04:41] <masu3701> crdlb: i upgraded from 8.10 but then didnt have internet at all
[04:41] <crdlb> how are you connecting? wifi?
[04:41] <masu3701> crdlb: bother wifi and wire
[04:41] <Starcraftmazter2> ripps: is gnome mixer = "volume control"? if so, then no
[04:41] <crdlb> masu3701: neither works?
[04:42] <masu3701> crdlb: no..so i had to go back and reinstall 8.10
[04:42] <masu3701> hahaaha
[04:42] <ripps> Starcraftmazter2: Sorry, I don't know then.
[04:42] <crdlb> :/
[04:42] <crdlb> masu3701: you only have one computer?
[04:42] <Starcraftmazter2> ripps: thats ok, thanks for trying
[04:43] <masu3701> crdlb: yes
[04:43] <crdlb> maybe you should wait for the release then
[04:44] <masu3701> crdlb: you think it will work with the final release?
[04:45] <crdlb> what ethernet chipset do you have?
[04:48] <masu3701> broadcom
[04:48] <masu3701> intel
[04:48] <crdlb> broadcom wireless and intel ethernet?
[04:49] <masu3701> yes
[04:49] <masu3701> b43xx
[04:49] <crdlb> I would certainly expect that the ethernet should be working out of the box
[04:49] <crdlb> which would allow you to set up the wireless if necessary
[04:49] <masu3701> that is what i was thinking to
[04:50] <masu3701> but i think that i ran into problem will upgrading
[04:50] <masu3701> but i dont wanna take the change to redo it again
[04:57] <ripps> I don't know why so many people have a problem with notify-osd, yes it's still kinda buggy, but I like it.
[04:59] <billybigrigger> quit working for me with this weekends updates
[04:59] <billybigrigger> so im not complaining :P
[05:49] <jldugger> sigh
[05:49] <jldugger> its so hard to find anything about GNOME druids that aren't WoW related
[08:39] <bruce89> anyone know how to fix http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23626371/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.telepathy-farsight_0.0.4-4%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:41] <bruce89> debhelper thinks something should be at in debian/tmp/usr/lib/python*/site-packages, but it's really in dist-packages
[08:42] <IntuitiveNipple> modify the debian .install locations maybe?
[08:44] <bruce89> hmm, having to do that for every package from Debian will be fun
[08:45] <crdlb> I really don't understand why they renamed it ...
[08:46] <crdlb> it's like changing /usr/lib to /usr/libraries
[08:47] <bruce89> och well, I'll change it 'til I don't have to
[08:48] <crdlb> it's the appending of '/local' to the prefix that really kills me :/
[08:49] <crdlb> I ended up manually editing disutils just so I could get ccsm installed
[08:49] <crdlb> distutils*
[08:53] <askand> Who decides what bugs will be targeted for a milestone?
[09:01] <Hobbsee> the release team, mainly
[09:01] <Hobbsee> anyone can add the milestone though, i think
[09:14] <VSpike> Hmm strange.  My interfaces are numbered eth3 and eth4, although everything seems to be working
[09:28] <haggisbasheruk>  just trying Jaunty rc5 here and wifi is grayed out, any fix for that ?
[09:29] <haggisbasheruk> stupid network manager
[09:30] <zniavre> haggisbasheruk:  i modified the network manager settings into autorisation
[09:30] <zniavre> you should add yourself inside explicite autirsation
[09:30] <haggisbasheruk> cheers ziroday
[09:31] <zniavre> im the one after   :o)
[09:31] <haggisbasheruk> stupid auto complete
[09:31] <zniavre> :-[
[09:34] <haggisbasheruk> xubuntu jaunty rc5 is running nice on the Aspire one A150 :)
[09:39] <VSpike> haggisbasheruk: cool
[09:40] <VSpike> haggisbasheruk: how much lighter is xubuntu these days?
[09:40] <VSpike> compared to ubuntu, I mean
[09:41] <haggisbasheruk> night and day
[09:42] <haggisbasheruk> damn , added me to network authorisation with no constraints and the damn thing is still grayed out
[09:42] <VSpike> really? I got the impression from somewhere a while back that the two were converging, and the xubuntu was in some kind of trouble as a project. But you think its still strong and with a distinctive character and advantage?
[09:42] <haggisbasheruk> brb
[09:43] <haggisbasheruk> yup
[09:43] <VSpike> hmm neat .. thanks.
[09:43] <zniavre> haggisbasheruk:  there is an haow to in english into ubuntforum.com (sorry english is nt my native language but there is a solution for grayed networkmanager
[09:44] <VSpike> I've never done much more than tyre-kicking with it :) But I like light distros. Have played with Vector Light, Arch + Openbox, and Puppy
[09:46] <haggisbasheruk_> aaaaaaaargh still grayed out
[09:50] <haggisbasheruk_> supose i should do an update befor complainin :P
[09:56] <zniavre> haggisbasheruk_:  http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture10.png
[09:57] <zniavre> sorry picture is better than bad words   :-[
[09:57] <bz0b> hey guys is juanty pretty stable as of now?
[09:58] <fosco_> bz0b, yes here
[09:58] <haggisbasheruk_> did that zniavre
[09:58] <bz0b> fosco_: i mainly wanna try it for kubuntu edition for kde 4.2 it looks sexy
[09:58] <zniavre> it does not work ?
[09:58] <haggisbasheruk_> no :(
[09:58] <bz0b> what is the kernel for it as of now?
[09:58] <zniavre> im really sorry
[09:59] <zniavre> 2.6.28-8-generic
[09:59] <haggisbasheruk_> i'll build wicd anyway as i hate network manager , it sux
[09:59] <bz0b> thanks
[09:59] <zniavre> :o)
[09:59] <haggisbasheruk_> i'll see what happens after these 300+ updates and a reboot
[10:00] <haggisbasheruk_> then i'll sysv-rc-conf and kill all the crap :)
[10:01] <fosco_> bz0b, .28-8 i think
[10:18] <haggisbasheruk_> brb reboot time
[10:29] <koperton> i am running kubuntu 9.04 slow compiz  with intel945gm
[10:29] <koperton> of course i have not kwin effects on
[10:39] <haggisbasheruk> wicd sorted my problem zniavre :)
[10:40] <haggisbasheruk> much prefered over crappy NetworkManager
[10:46] <ali1234> haggisbasheruk: bug 319825
[10:48] <haggisbasheruk> stupid bug :P
[10:49] <haggisbasheruk> i prefer wicd anyway :)
[10:49] <ali1234> but not in NM... the only reason wicd works is because it lacks functionality
[10:50] <VSpike> just to check I'm not being dumb, package gtk-smooth-themes is available and depends on gtk2-engines, which doesn't contain the smooth engine... is that correct?
[10:50] <haggisbasheruk> yay for lack of functionallity i say :)
[10:50] <VSpike> wicd is great
[10:51] <haggisbasheruk> thanks for the bug report ali1234
[10:53] <haggisbasheruk> rmmod acer_wmi fixes it , thats a simple solution ali1234
[11:13] <bz0b> hey guys i just installed kubuntu 9.04 did a dist-upgrade rebooted and now i get kde but like there is no background or taskbar at the bottom
[11:13] <bz0b> why is that?
[11:16] <haggisbasheruk> someone stole them bz0b :P
[11:17] <bz0b> ya i guess
[11:17] <bz0b> alt f2 works firefox works konsole works pretty much all the apps work but i dont have a pretty background or taskbar at the bottom
[11:17] <haggisbasheruk> damn painters must have needed some wallpaper
[11:18] <bz0b> man lets go rob them
[11:18] <haggisbasheruk> brb
[11:18]  * bz0b jacks painters wallpaper
[11:23] <bz0b> so anyone have any ideas?
[11:23] <haggisbasheruk> sorry bz0b , i am kde noob
[11:25] <vbgunz> desktop effects seem to have broken completely at some point in the latest updates. is this known or a rare issue?
[11:26] <bz0b> so do i disable desktop effects cause i litterally have no kde basically
[11:27] <shadeslayer> vbgunz: really??
[11:27] <vbgunz> bz0b: you no longer have effects?
[11:27] <bz0b> i no longer have gui
[11:27] <shadeslayer> i think ill have a looksie if they are broken
[11:27] <bz0b> ill take a screenshot and save it
[11:28] <shadeslayer> bz0b: if its really urgent for you to work you can install another DE
[11:28] <vbgunz> shadeslayer: yeah. cannot simply enable them. I am curious if this is known, planned or perhaps a rare corner case
[11:28] <shadeslayer> haha
[11:28] <vbgunz> nah, heh, its no emergency
[11:28] <shadeslayer> ill boot to KDE then
[11:28] <shadeslayer> just to check it out
[11:28] <bz0b> check it out http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1569/snapshot1b.png
[11:29] <bz0b> shadeslayer, what u mean DE
[11:29] <bz0b> oh desktop effect
[11:29] <shadeslayer> desktop enviroment
[11:29] <shadeslayer> noo
[11:29] <bz0b> oh
[11:29] <shadeslayer> lol
[11:29] <bz0b> ya
[11:29] <bz0b> umm well i guess
[11:29] <bz0b> xfce it is
[11:29] <haggisbasheruk> :)
[11:29] <bz0b> is ubuntu 9.04 or xubuntu 9.04 more stable right now?
[11:30] <bz0b> ill just download the cd iso
[11:30] <vbgunz> bz0b: you cannot login because you have desktop effects enabled? what I did was to go to tty1 and edit the following file -> ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc ... look for the section [Compositing] and change the value of Enabled=true to Enabled=false... (X needs to be stopped), then restart X
[11:31] <bz0b> vbgunz, this will make kde work?\
[11:31] <vbgunz> bz0b: yeah
[11:31] <bz0b> http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1569/snapshot1b.png
[11:31] <bz0b> that is what i see now
[11:31] <aboSamoor> any idea how to fix usplash ?
[11:31] <vbgunz> bz0b: you need to stop X or at least log out before going to tty1 to edit that file.
[11:31] <bz0b> ok
[11:31] <bz0b> brb
[11:31] <bz0b> how would i kill x
[11:32] <vbgunz> bz0b: easiest is to log out. go to tty1 and type in -> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[11:33] <vbgunz> bz0b that will stop kdm... then, edit the file in vim or what ever your comfortable in and repeat the command above *but* instead of stop, say either start OR restart... sometimes start fails where restart shines
[11:34] <bz0b> ya
[11:34] <bz0b> ok
[11:34] <vbgunz> good luck
[11:35] <bz0b> so i edit ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[11:35] <vbgunz> yup
[11:35] <bz0b> ok brb
[11:35] <vbgunz> [Compositing] should be at the very top of the file
[11:38] <bz0b> i disabled something else and it worked
[11:38] <vbgunz> bz0b: you have desktop effects enabled?
[11:38] <bz0b> there was nothing under compositing that was true
[11:38] <bz0b> hold on ill show you my script
[11:39] <vbgunz> I just need to know what else you disabled? wass it GLDirect?
[11:39] <bz0b> i disabled kwin4_effect_coverswitchEnabled=true
[11:39] <bz0b> thats all i disabled
[11:39] <vbgunz> hmm
[11:39] <vbgunz> I dont or should not have that enabled at all
[11:39] <bz0b> under plugins
[11:40] <bz0b> i had that as true now its false
[11:40] <bz0b> i guess ksmserver closed unexpectedly why is that
[11:41] <bz0b> now plasma closed enexpectedly
[11:42] <vbgunz> bz0b: not sure. the default shortcut for turning off the effects should be Alt+Shift+F12
[11:43] <bz0b> lol even firefox crashed
[11:43] <vbgunz> well, its jaunty. I expect all of that to happen
[11:44] <vbgunz> I am happy desktop effects died and not X all together :)
[11:56] <haggisbasheruk_> damn , first crash on aspire one a150 after 4 hours use on xubuntu jaunty rc 5 , flashing caps lock led
[12:09] <ali1234> haggisbasheruk_: what wifi driver are you using?
[12:11] <haggisbasheruk_> let me see
[12:12] <haggisbasheruk_> ath5k
[12:12] <ali1234> hmm
[12:13] <haggisbasheruk_> lets hope they have fixed the dropout when your downloading large files
[12:13] <haggisbasheruk_> i'll download an iso to see
[12:14] <ali1234> i only ever got the kernel panic when using madwifi hal with heavy tx
[12:14] <ali1234> i could download huge isos without problem but if i tried to send something over ssh to another machine it would lock up after a few mb (with the flashing caps lock)
[12:15] <haggisbasheruk_> :/ weard
[12:15] <ali1234> it could have been an older ath5k actually... something to try anyway
[12:16] <ali1234> just because you can download, doesn't mean you can upload :)
[12:16] <haggisbasheruk_> i'll test that also ali1234
[12:17] <haggisbasheruk_> where you local uploading or remote ?
[12:18] <ali1234> i was running scp on the acer and copying a file from it to my fileserver
[12:19] <haggisbasheruk_> okay ;)
[12:19] <haggisbasheruk_> i'll try local first then
[12:23] <haggisbasheruk_> i'll stick a fileserver on the ps3 running ubuntu/xfce this afternoon to test upload
[12:25] <haggisbasheruk_> back later
[13:13] <haggisbasheruk__> ali1234, still getting stalling with large file like iso's on the aspire one with ath5k , you think by now this would be fixed
[13:14] <haggisbasheruk__> back to madwifi then :(
[13:18] <ali1234> haggisbasheruk__: works for me :/
[13:21] <haggisbasheruk__> did you remove acer_wmi ?
[13:22] <haggisbasheruk__> i downloaded 2 jaunty iso's at the same time and connection dropped out at about 50%
[13:26] <Eruaran> hello
[13:26] <haggisbasheruk__> hi Eruaran
[13:26] <Eruaran> Am I right in assuming that KPackageKit is broken atm on Kubuntu 9.04 ?
[13:26] <Eruaran> hi haggisbasheruk__
[13:27] <Eruaran> I installed the alpha today.... Its looking rather promising
[13:30] <haggisbasheruk__> seems it is Eruaran , vbgunz was testing it out
[13:31] <Eruaran> Ok, so its not just me then :P
[13:32] <Svish> when is next version of ubuntu realeased?
[13:32] <Eruaran> Late April
[13:32] <haggisbasheruk__> march
[13:32] <Eruaran> oh
[13:32] <Svish> so this month?
[13:32] <haggisbasheruk__> oh april i ment
[13:32] <haggisbasheruk__> lol
[13:32] <Svish> lol
[13:32] <Eruaran> ah
[13:32] <Eruaran> was gonna say
[13:32] <Eruaran> wut
[13:32] <haggisbasheruk__> 09.04  = 09 year 04 month
[13:33] <Svish> ah, correct
[13:33] <Svish> but, like, is there a count down thing somewhere?
[13:33] <Eruaran> I'm just gonna keep updating daily
[13:33] <Pici> !schedule
[13:33] <Eruaran> Its running pretty well in general
[13:34] <Svish> ah, ok, so: April 23rd  FinalRelease
[13:34] <Svish> ?
[13:35] <haggisbasheruk__> still a few buggs that are anoying me , ath5k dropout with large files for example
[13:48] <joejc> hows 9.04?
[13:49] <Twigathy> I got it to NFS boot, with some hackery :D
[13:50] <Eruaran> Its good
[13:51] <Eruaran> I'm using Kubuntu 9.04 right now
[13:51] <Eruaran> some breakage but looking good for the April release
[13:53] <joejc> what r the best new features?
[13:55] <Eruaran> On Kubuntu, Ext4, KDE 4.2, nearly all KDE4 apps now, high level of integration, its much smoother now, and no need for compiz... and PackageKit
[13:56] <Eruaran> (although KPackageKit is broken atm I expect this will be fixed in due course)
[13:58] <Eruaran> I'd heard manual partitioning was broken but it worked for me (might have been the previous alpha where that was broken)
[13:58] <charlie-tca> I use Xubuntu, with Xfce 4.6 now. It works great
[13:58] <Eruaran> schweet
[13:58] <Eruaran> 4.6 is shiny new
[13:59] <charlie-tca> joejc: you can also check out the release notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha5
[14:18] <Slartibartfast> So i have jaunty installed on a new disk, wanted to copy from the old disk (now ext usb) to the new one. But have problems with the charset ...
[14:18] <Slartibartfast> the device notifier seem not to mount with the system locale
[14:19] <Slartibartfast> how to mount manually an external  ext3 partition with the UTF-8 charset?
[14:23] <CarlFK> I have a touch screen with both usb and serial.  stock ubuntu install, usb works; serial doesn't.  I need to get the serial working.
[14:24] <CarlFK> mdetect... Found the following devices:    /dev/ttyS0
[14:40] <zaapiel> will 9.04 be able to boot from an ext4 partion?
[14:41] <Eruaran> I'm using 9.04 with Ext4 right now
[14:41] <zaapiel> is /boot all on ext4?
[14:43] <Eruaran> pretty sure
[14:44] <zaapiel> ill test it on a VM later
[15:09] <Alex_Gaynor> Are there any currently known issues with Flash?
[15:09] <Veinor> it sucks
[15:09] <Alex_Gaynor> When I try to access youtube it tells me I'm missing flash, but if I do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree it tells me it's already installled
[15:10] <Alex_Gaynor> Veinor: other than the obvoius of course ;)
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Alex_Gaynor: that's correct. If you remove the flashplugin-nonfree, YouTube will install it's version of flash, and nothing else seems to work with it
[15:16] <charlie-tca> but YouTube will work
[15:16] <Alex_Gaynor> Well I haven't actually done anything at youtube, it just told me I don't have flash
[15:16] <charlie-tca> At least, that's what happened here
[15:16] <Alex_Gaynor> pandora doesn't work either
[15:16] <Alex_Gaynor> Is teh correct path to remove flash and reinstall it?
[15:17] <charlie-tca> If you click on the video, it should offer to install the missing plugin for you.
[15:18] <charlie-tca> I don't think there is a correct path that I have found. It seems to be an issue for me that I haven't pursued
[15:18] <Alex_Gaynor> charlie-tca: well youtube just gives me a link to adobe's website, pandora pops up the standard FF plugin missing dialog
[15:18] <Alex_Gaynor> and If I select the adobe plugin it tells me it's already installed
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Maybe a search in Synaptic-Package-Manager for flash will turn something up?
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Gotta be something in the way.
[15:22] <Alex_Gaynor> charlie-tca: well I removed it and installed it via the firefox dialog but I still get the same plugin missing thing whcih then tells me it's already installed
[15:22] <charlie-tca> What did S-P-M show?
[15:22] <Alex_Gaynor> it shows that flashplugin-nonfree is insatlled
[15:22] <Alex_Gaynor> as I expected
[15:23] <charlie-tca> I don't know, then. Bug report time, I guess.
[15:24] <Alex_Gaynor> yep :(
[16:33] <MenZa> I'm having some issues with my Intel 945GM graphics chip on Jaunty, but it worked fine on Intrepid. Anyone experiencing this?
[16:37] <ali1234> MenZa: what kind of issues?
[16:38] <MenZa> ali1234: My video is very choppy in World of Goo. I'm not positive I have 3D acceleration.
[16:39] <MenZa> I can, however, use Compiz fine.
[16:39] <ali1234> well try turning compiz off before you run world of goo
[16:40] <MenZa> I don't use Compiz; I just checked if it worked to see whether or not I had 3D acceleration or not.
[16:40] <ali1234> even on my desktop, 3d games will crawl if compiz is running in the background
[16:40] <MenZa> It's off, currently.
[16:40] <MenZa> How can I check which driver Xorg is using?
[16:40] <ali1234> there's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:41] <ali1234> and glxinfo
[16:41] <MenZa> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20090114 x86/MMX/SSE2
[16:41] <MenZa> Hmm, so I am using the Intel driver.
[16:42] <MenZa> I'm getting awful performance
[16:43] <ali1234> well it isn't exactly high end...
[16:43] <MenZa> Like I said; it worked excellently in Intrepid
[16:44] <MenZa> I don't see why it should drop *this* dramatically in Jaunty
[16:44] <ali1234> the intrepid driver was extremely buggy and would crash all the time.... the fix seems to have reduced performance
[16:45] <MenZa> The intrepid driver gave me no issues, and I don't think it would drop the performance from 70+ FPS to <5
[16:45] <MenZa> glxgears gives me ~260 FPS
[16:46] <ali1234> well i dont know much about what was fixed
[16:47] <MenZa> I'll check Launchpad
[16:47] <MenZa> Cheers
[16:47] <ali1234> i have the bug number somewhere
[16:50] <MenZa> I have something similar, ali1234
[16:50] <MenZa> bug 324292
[16:50] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/296020
[16:50] <MenZa> thanks
[16:51] <ali1234> after that bug was fixed performance went down (but at least it worked)
[16:51] <billybigrigger> MenZa, glxinfo |grep "direct rendering"
[16:51] <MenZa> billybigrigger: Yes
[16:51] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:52] <crdlb> that always returns yes due to some mesa changes
[16:52] <billybigrigger> my old 945 was ok in some 3d games
[16:52] <billybigrigger> and it definately got more than 260fps in glxgears
[16:52] <crdlb> you have to check for the string 'Software Rasterizer' now
[16:52] <billybigrigger> even running jaunty aplha 3 or 4 i think
[16:52] <MenZa> well, it's actually a 2D game
[16:52] <MenZa> crdlb: one sec
[16:52] <billybigrigger> well you shouldnt have any problems then, what game?
[16:52] <crdlb> ie glxinfo | grep -i software
[16:53] <MenZa> billybigrigger: World of Goo
[16:53] <MenZa> crdlb: no output
[16:53] <billybigrigger> crdlb, when did that change?
[16:53] <crdlb> intrepid
[16:53] <MenZa> [17:52:49] menza@kashyyyk - ~ $ glxinfo | grep -i software
[16:53] <MenZa> [17:52:58] menza@kashyyyk - ~ $
[16:53] <billybigrigger> MenZa, oh ya, still need a decent card for that game i think
[16:53] <MenZa> billybigrigger: like I said, it worked fine in Intrepid
[16:53] <MenZa> absolutely no problems
[16:54] <MenZa> "To play it on Windows, you basically need a PC that's 5 years old or newer (1GHz or faster CPU, 512MB of RAM, 100MB of disk space, a 3D graphics card, DirectX 9.0c)."
[16:54] <MenZa> -- 2dboy.com
[16:54] <MenZa> I have a 1.8GHz Pentium Dual Core and 1 gig of RAM
[16:54] <MenZa> And the 945GM worked fine in Intrepid
[16:54] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:55] <MenZa> Is it possible to grab the Intrepid version of mesa?
[16:59] <MenZa> I'm checking out some from a PPA I found.
[17:05] <MenZa> or... not.
[17:05] <DoYouKnow> some what menza?
[17:07] <tuxxy__> hey anyone know if the new alpha 6 will allow twinview via nvidia driver
[17:07] <tuxxy__> alpha 5 I had issues with
[17:08] <ali1234> i guess you'd have to ask nvidia about that
[17:09] <tuxxy__> ah well guess it wont hurt to try :p
[17:18] <tuxxy__> did anyone get twinview running on Jaunty yet?
[17:34] <Alex_Gaynor> I'm having an issue where I can't get any sound out of my primary soundcard+speakers, but my usb headset works fine.  My soundcard+speakers work fine under windwos, so they aren't the problem
[17:35] <Alex_Gaynor> they are selected in system->preferences->sound for every option, and its not muted
[17:35] <Alex_Gaynor> I'm not sure what else to check
[17:36] <Alex_Gaynor> it's a Soundblaster Audigy ZS2
[17:45] <tw1tch> Alex_Gaynor: the only thing i can find is this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/no-sound-coming-from-my-sound-blaster-audigy-2-zs-platinum-sound-card-350860/      you might try it.
[17:46] <Alex_Gaynor> tw1tch: hrm, it was working fine yesterday, so I don't know what I might have done
[17:47] <tw1tch> Alex_Gaynor: have you installed anything or updated... read through the forum i linked see if it looks like something.
[17:47] <Alex_Gaynor> well I updated all my packages(probably 2 months worth of updates)
[17:47] <Alex_Gaynor> plus the jump to jaunty
[17:49] <Alex_Gaynor> tw1tch: good call, seems to work now!
[17:49] <tw1tch> Alex_Gaynor: cool
[17:49] <tw1tch> Alex_Gaynor: make sure you save it and everything i think that was in there too
[17:50] <Alex_Gaynor> yep
[18:22] <another_guy> I've installed jaunty and I have no window borders
[18:22] <another_guy> I need to fix it asap because I'm at work
[18:24] <goodkarm-> another_guy: gnome-wm is running?
[18:24] <bruce89> metacity?
[18:24] <another_guy> lemme check
[18:24] <another_guy> it isnt
[18:24] <another_guy> I did ps aux|grep gnome-wm
[18:25] <another_guy> ok, now I've got window borders
[18:25] <another_guy> whew
[18:25] <another_guy> thanks
[18:33] <Ienorand> another_guy: Installing alpha software at work, hmm?
[19:36] <fosco__> living on the edge
[20:11] <Haegin> I just read that Ctrl+Alt+Backspace is getting turned off by default in Jaunty. Why?!
[20:11] <Infecto> i have strange info that pidgin is to old to use icq acount
[20:12] <crdlb> Haegin: mainly because it's dangerous
[20:13] <crdlb> I believe it was actually an upstream X decision
[20:13] <Haegin> crdlb: only if you routinely mash your keyboard in all sorts of strange ways...
[20:13] <Haegin> I personally find it really useful - what do I have to do now when X crashes?
[20:13] <crdlb> 'sudo dontzap --disable' will turn it back on
[20:13] <Haegin> Are we expected to go back to the windows way of power on reset?
[20:14] <crdlb> there's always magic sysrq
[20:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Haegin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgCtrlAltBackspace
[20:15] <Haegin> thanks IntuitiveNipple
[20:20] <Infecto> !pidgin
[20:25] <Ienorand> problems with wired net connection in latest daily (don't know about former versions) dhcp doesn't seem to work, neither does setting a static ip... "network unreachable", any ideas?
[20:26] <Ienorand> Ienorand: Oh, and net works fine with winxp on same computer.
[20:30] <daftykins> do you have a correctly set IP, subnet mask and default gateway?
[20:35] <daftykins> Ienorand ^
[20:38] <Ienorand> daftykins> same as I use in winxp, so I presume it should work
[20:38] <daftykins> yes but are they *set* correctly?
[20:39] <daftykins> how are you setting the static settings?
[20:40] <Ienorand> daftykins> just though network config gui-thing at the moment
[20:40] <daftykins> ok try via terminal
[20:41] <Ienorand> daftykins> do I use ifconfig for that_
[20:41] <daftykins> yep "ifconfig eth0 x.x.x.x netmask y.y.y.y"
[20:41] <daftykins> then check what your gateway is with "route -n"
[20:42] <daftykins> "UG" will be under "flags" on a line with the correct IP address in the "gateway" column
[20:42] <daftykins> you should be able to ping an IP on your network once they're set
[20:43] <Ienorand> okay thanks, I'll reboot and try
[20:43] <daftykins> np
[20:48] <balachmar> Hi, I wanted to create a virtualmachine for upgrading, with the sandbox-clone-to-vm utility. However, the script fails with:  adduser: The user `root' already exists.
[21:27] <Cronos>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oem-config/+bug/334281 <- is there a way to stop it going to the set up page when booting, and just going back to the oem load?
[21:28] <Ienorand> When trying to manually set ip using ifconfig I get this error: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/uNzHa2 ; help?
[21:29] <Infecto> Ienorand: try first sudo -s
[21:29] <Infecto> then ifconfig eth up
[21:29] <Infecto> and then try to set
[21:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: Possibly related to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284377
[21:41] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: That sounds related yea
[21:41] <skyl> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Sapphire X550 Silent]
[21:41] <skyl> desktop affects?
[21:41] <crdlb> hi
[21:41] <skyl> hello?
[21:42] <skyl> *effects
[21:42] <skyl> "Jaunty doesn't have fglrx right now, so desktop effects won't work"
[21:42] <crdlb> try this command I just made up: glxinfo | egrep -i '(direct|software)'
[21:43] <skyl> ' Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". \n ' * 4
[21:43] <crdlb> ow, ok
[21:44] <crdlb> skyl: you should disable fglrx with the hardware drivers manager
[21:44] <crdlb> the open source radeon driver should be able to run compiz on your GPU
[21:45] <skyl> System>Administration>Hardware Drivers  ... "No prop... in use on this system"
[21:45] <crdlb> hmm
[21:45] <crdlb> make sure xorg-driver-fglrx is not installed
[21:45] <crdlb> then check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure Section "Device" has either no Driver at all or Driver "radeon" ("ati" works too)
[21:46] <skyl> xorg-drivers-fglrx is installed, that's what I was about to say.. uninstalling...
[21:46] <skyl> what about kernel-source ?
[21:47] <crdlb> that's harmless
[21:47] <skyl> Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[21:48] <crdlb> is that the only line in that section?
[21:48] <skyl> yes
[21:49] <crdlb> ok, just reboot and see what happens
[21:49] <crdlb> or if the fglrx module isn't loaded, you can just restart X
[21:50] <skyl> http://pastebin.com/ddccd2d4
[21:50] <skyl> should I comment out that line or just leave it?
[21:52] <crdlb> no, you need that line
[21:52] <crdlb> it links the device section to the screen section
[21:53] <crdlb> well, you don't _really_ need it since there's nothing in in that section, of course :)
[21:53] <skyl> okay, crdlb thanks, I'll be back to let you know how the reboot went
[22:05] <skyl> crdlb thanks, mission accomplished!
[23:00] <tormod> how often are the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/ rebuilt?
[23:03] <crimsun> tormod: on-demand.
[23:04] <tormod> who "demands" it?
[23:04] <crimsun> i.e., if you want a new build, ask one of the ports guys in -devel
[23:04] <crimsun> you could ask slangasek nicely, too
[23:04] <tormod> thanks
[23:09] <td123> I have heard that the new release is focusing on smaller screens, correct?
[23:09] <td123> in the sense that something will be displayed "correctly" on a smaller screen
[23:11] <timo> Hi all
[23:11] <timo> Dose pulseaudio in ubuntu work for every one or is it just my hardware.
[23:12] <td123> timo: it works for me in virtualbox
[23:12] <timo> I alwasy get conection refused and google has nothing that realy talks about this isue
[23:12] <td123> here is what I'm talking about in my previous question, http://img24.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img24/5858/ubuntuo.png
[23:12] <timo> I have tryed jaunty, hardy
[23:13] <td123> I just noticed that there is no way to view the bottom of that window. So this could be a bug
[23:13] <td123> or missing "feature" :P
[23:13] <timo> I think some people wil be socked when jaunty somes out it will be rubish with media
[23:14] <td123> timo: its not rubbish for me
[23:14] <td123> anyways, please don't judge a project that hasn't been completed...
[23:15] <td123> if you have a problem then look on forums or post a bug
[23:15] <timo> Im saying it for a reason. pulse is not getting any atention look at any bug reported
[23:15] <td123> timo: don't worry
[23:15] <timo> I am
[23:15] <td123> timo: just google your specific hardware / problem
[23:15] <td123> I'm sure there is something
[23:16] <timo> there isnt i ben woryed about this isue for ages. And every time i google i get a 200 page howto
[23:17] <timo> forgod sake pulse is the best thing to hapen to linux make the most of it
[23:18] <timo> if you see winodws 7 you wil know what i mean
[23:18] <timo> (runt over)
[23:18] <td123> timo: what exactly is your problem?
[23:18] <timo> http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:-i0IRLJThPoJ:https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302662+jaunty+pulseaudio+connection+refused&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk
[23:19] <timo> same thing on alfa 5 =-O
[23:19] <td123> timo: why didn't you post the output from that script?
[23:19] <td123> alfa = alpha
[23:19] <timo> Im burning kubuntu now
[23:20] <td123> timo: well, first of all, I would try to help the developers diagnose the problem by posting the output of the script they gave you...
[23:20] <timo> I was going to post a script but....................
[23:20] <td123> I said, post the output
[23:21] <td123> "Please download and execute the script at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and attach the output here."
[23:21] <timo> Ok when i have the same isue oin kubuntu i will
[23:21] <td123> timo: it won't matter
[23:21] <timo> why i wil open a new bug
[23:21] <ryanpg> hi all... I'm playing around with the plymouth ppa packages, but I don't know how to get an initramfs built with plymouth "turned on", any other early adopters got tips?
[23:21] <td123> timo: this could have been fixed long ago...
[23:22] <timo> Im gona try fedora
[23:22] <td123> ok
[23:22] <timo> thanks
[23:24] <joaopinto> hi
[23:24] <joaopinto> any idea how to override the default LDFLAGS="-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions"  set by CDBS ?
[23:26] <joaopinto> I can't figure where is the default coming on /usr/share/cdbs
[23:27] <albert23> joaopinto: it is set by dpkg-buildpackage
[23:27] <albert23> unexport LDFLAGS in beginning of debian/rules will remove it
[23:28] <joaopinto> albert23, ah, so I was looking in the wrong place, thanks
[23:30] <joaopinto> hum, not working
[23:30] <joaopinto> I am still getting them prefixing configure
[23:31] <joaopinto> maybe i'll need to override DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV
[23:32] <crimsun_> if you use ./configure, yes you do
[23:32] <crimsun_> DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV := LDFLAGS="something"
[23:32] <Ienorand> why does "ping www.google.com" not work, whereas "wget www.google.com" does work?
[23:32] <joaopinto> I am using the default cdbs rule
[23:33] <joaopinto> ops, I am on the wrong channel, this was for -motu :P
[23:33] <crimsun_> make sure you have include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk
[23:33] <joaopinto> crimsun_, I do
[23:34] <joaopinto> I just can't figure where does the LDFLAGs come from, is not defined there, albert23 pointed to dpkg-buildpackage
[23:35] <joaopinto> but I don't understand why hows does dpkg-buildpackage get's a default LDFLAGs not provide on the build makefile
[23:36] <joaopinto> /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools-vars.mk:DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV = CC="$(CC)" CXX="$(CXX)" CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" CXXFLAGS="$(CXXFLAGS)" CPPFLAGS="$(CPPFLAGS)" LDFLAGS="$(LDFLAGS)"
[23:36] <albert23> joaopinto: in a buildlog you will see: dpkg-buildpackage: set LDFLAGS to default value: -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions
[23:37] <albert23> if unexport doesn't work, try "LDFLAGS =" instead
[23:37] <albert23> without the  quotes
[23:38] <joaopinto> dpkg-buildpackage: set LDFLAGS to default value: -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions
[23:38] <joaopinto> ah ok, now I see it :P
[23:38] <joaopinto> albert23, ="" did it, thanks
[23:39] <albert23> np
[23:39] <joaopinto> now I just hope it does not override the a subdir makefile ldflags :P
[23:42] <sisto> Anyone installed ubuntu on a MacBook 5,2? It won't boot with acpi. I have to boot with acpi=off. That leads to me not being able to change LCD brightness or see battery status. this model was launched on january 2009, should I file a bug report?
[23:43] <crimsun_> you should look through the `linux' bug reports for a dupe
[23:44] <sisto> i searched for "macbook 5,2" with no results... macbook 5,1 boots with no problem with the 8.10 kernel so I guess the problem is new to the 5,2 version
[23:44] <sisto> macbook 5,2 is the hardware version
[23:45] <sisto> it probably needs a new module or kernel patch
[23:48] <Ienorand> why does "ping www.google.com" not work, whereas "wget www.google.com" does work?
[23:48] <sisto> cause they disabled ping server
[23:48] <sisto> or your firewall blocks it
[23:48] <sisto> more likely the second
[23:48] <sisto> 64 bytes from vw-in-f147.google.com (74.125.113.147): icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=1140 ms
[23:48] <sisto> I have no problem pinging it
[23:49] <sisto> a little slow though
[23:49] <fosco_> ping working here
[23:49] <fosco_> 64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=3 ttl=237 time=83.3 ms
[23:50] <sisto> google has different servers though
[23:51] <sisto> many many many
[23:53] <Ienorand> Ok, so if it is my (uni) firewall, is it possible to disable pinging globally through a firewall?
[23:55] <sisto> don't know
[23:56] <sisto> that's probably true
[23:57] <swegner> I'm trying to boot jaunty from a LiveUSB (created from the "USB Startup Disc Creator"), but I don't see the option at the boot screen.  I only see "Install Ubuntu", "Check disc for defects", "Test memory", "Boot from first hard drive", "Rescue a broken system".  Is it not possible to simply boot from the USB?