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DoYouKnowdid you guys see my network-manager bug? I am michael sabino00:43
DoYouKnowhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/33971600:43
ubottuUbuntu bug 339716 in network-manager "Network Manager fails to connect" [Undecided,New]00:43
DoYouKnowit relates to an interplay of b43 and network-manager00:44
bruce89we're not developers00:44
bruce89well, not Ubuntu ones00:44
DoYouKnowok00:45
thehook#ubuntu-dev00:45
Hobbsee#ubuntu-devel is not the place for "oh, here's my bug, please fix it".  That's why we have a bugtracker.00:46
* Hobbsee also notes that there's a whole bunch of bugs about that, on a variety of cards, it appears00:46
DoYouKnowok00:47
HobbseeI think i had that earlier, too, on an intel card.  I think I killed network manager then restarted it, and it worked00:48
Hobbseeoh, and iwlist eth0 scan'd, too00:48
dtchenbruce89: a few people here are devs00:56
Hobbseedtchen: doesn't mean we instantly become "here, fix my bug!" support people, though ;)00:57
dtchenHobbsee: :-)00:57
bruce89I don't let facts get in the way of a dramatic statement00:57
Hobbseeheh :)00:58
bruce89Siegfried: which issue?01:45
Siegfriedswegner already gave me the fix thanks :) (for flashplugin)01:46
bruce89so I see01:47
ethana2If I install 9.04 on a flash drive and run updates01:53
ethana2I can clear out all old packages, right?01:53
bruce89yes01:53
ethana2bruce89: ..was that for me?01:54
bruce89I anticipated it01:54
ethana2..so then if I install from that flash drive01:54
ethana2it won't be out of date like if I did it from a disc?01:54
bruce89I assume so01:55
ethana2if that's true, it's going to be pretty awesome01:55
ethana2rock on, guys01:55
ethana2thanks, bruce8901:55
musikgoat|mainanyone running jaunty can you confirm whether remote desktop viewer has terminal services support yet?02:45
bruce89nope02:46
musikgoat|mainthanks bruce8902:47
bruce89I don't think it ever will, there is no real reason to02:48
musikgoat|mainbruce89: why have vnc and rdp need two separate programs02:48
musikgoat|mainbruce89: its in the roadmap for gnome 2.26 anyways02:49
bruce89was it?02:49
musikgoat|mainyes02:49
bruce89right enough02:49
musikgoat|mainimo, one remote deskop client that supports vnc and rdp would be useful and less confusing for newcomers02:51
bruce89I'm sure it'll happen for 2.28 then02:51
SeveredCross2.28 should have some really nice things.03:07
calcand 3.0 next spring :)03:08
calc3.0 just in time for the LTS, lol03:08
SeveredCross-_-'03:10
SeveredCrossI doubt LTS will ship 3.0 though...I think Canonical learned from the fracas when they shipped FF 3.0 beta with the last LTS.03:11
crdlbgnome 3.0 won't be much of a '.0'03:11
SeveredCrossAnd I imagine GNOME 3.0 will be a much more complex beast.03:11
crdlbcertainly not kde-style03:11
SeveredCrossI hope not anyway. GNOME 2.0 wasn't much of a .0, so let's hope that continues.03:12
crdlblol03:12
crdlbyou don't remember 2.0 well, do you?03:12
bruce89Ubuntu is too boring, no new GDM, no new g-p-m03:12
crdlbthe only thing it had over kde 4.0 was that it was relatively stable03:12
SeveredCrossThe only thing I was referring to was stability. ;)03:13
crdlbbut it didn't _do_ anything03:13
SeveredCrossbruce89: Didn't new GDM just land in Jaunty?03:13
SeveredCrossI could've sworn03:13
crdlbpretty sure it'll be in karmic03:13
SeveredCrossNo, never mind, still on 2.20.03:13
crdlbthere's a PPA03:13
SeveredCrossLots of things are looking to be really nice in Karmic.03:14
bruce89gie's the PPA03:14
SeveredCrossIncluding the usplash replacement (Plymouth I think?)03:14
bruce89guess where that came from03:14
SeveredCrossFedora I believe.03:14
crdlbrhel alpha03:15
bruce89that's what I mean03:15
bruce89Ubuntu is Debian very unstable03:17
billybigriggercan someone who uses compiz confirm a bug for me?03:44
billybigriggerusing the rotating cube desktop, pressing ctrl-alt-down shows all open applications in the bottom bar on all screens?03:44
crdlbby "bottom bar" you mean the panel?03:45
billybigriggerfor whatever desktop is active, it shows the applications on all desktops03:45
billybigriggeryes03:45
crdlbthat's not a bug03:45
billybigriggerwhy?03:46
crdlbthere is only one panel; it just changes its contents when you switch workspaces03:46
billybigriggerit shows desktop 1 apps on all 4 desktops03:46
crdlbwhen you use an effect like cube, you're _not_ changing the workspace until you terminate it03:46
billybigriggeror all of #2 apps on all 4 desktops03:46
crdlbso the panel shows whatever it was showing when you started it03:46
billybigriggerwell id say thats a bug03:46
billybigriggerdesktop 1 apps are on desktop 103:47
billybigriggernot all 403:47
crdlbdo you understand what I'm saying?03:47
billybigriggeri know what your saying yes03:47
crdlbthere is only one panel03:47
crdlbit can't be fixed03:47
billybigriggerhmm03:47
crdlbfor expo, you can disable showing panels entirely03:48
billybigriggerCAN'T be03:48
billybigriggeror no one wants to03:48
crdlbit can't be fixed03:48
billybigriggernothing is impossible03:48
billybigrigger:P03:48
crdlbunless you want to have a panel on each viewport wasting memory03:48
billybigriggerhaha i dont care ive got memory to spare03:48
crdlband it wouldn't really work correctly, since it wouldn't be of type=dock then03:48
billybigriggerfair enough03:49
crdlbyou'd have to create identical panels on each workspace03:49
nroot7I am using 9.04 and I am not able to use my already configured network printer or add a new printer?04:03
nroot7How can I find source of problem04:04
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Starcraftmazterhello04:06
Starcraftmazteri can't seem to kill the pcspkr on my laptop no matter what I do :/04:06
Starcraftmazterdoes anyone have any advice?04:06
bruce89wow, the new GDM now gets all those notify-osd dialogues04:19
bruce89nice to get a storm of rubbish when you switch users04:19
rippsStarcraftmazter: try adding "blacklist snd-pcsp" to your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist04:26
masu3701is this the channel for jaunty 9.04?04:30
Starcraftmazteryes04:31
rippsDoes anybody here know how to run autogen.sh within debian/rules? I tried asking #ubuntu-motu, but there not really talkative today.04:32
masu3701i try to update from 8.10 but then i didnt have internet...how can i fix that?04:32
Starcraftmazterripps: that doesnt seem to habe worked. any other ideas?04:33
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rippsStarcraftmazter: did you reboot, it removes a kernel module.04:34
bruce89!ot | masu370104:34
Starcraftmazteri did04:34
ubottumasu3701: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!04:34
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rippspaste "lsmod" to a pastebin, let me see if the pcspkr is a snd module04:35
ripps^Starcraftmazter04:35
Starcraftmazterwhat is a pastebin?04:35
bruce89!pastebin04:36
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)04:36
Starcraftmazterty04:36
masu3701so #ubuntu is the support channel for jaunty 9.04?04:36
bruce89no04:36
bruce89oh, misunderstood your statement04:36
ripps#ubuntu is for <=intepid, #ubuntu+1 is for jaunty04:37
* bruce89 is pleased to see DVDs work flawlessly in totem in Jaunty04:37
Starcraftmazter2ripps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/128609/04:38
masu3701cause i ask something about jaunty on here and someone talk me to go to #ubuntu04:38
bruce89masu3701: sorry, I was wrong04:39
masu3701bruce89: so what is it04:39
rippsStarcraftmazter2: hmm... it seems that you sound card is probably in control of the pc speaker. Are you sure you can't just mute in the Gnome Mixer?04:40
crdlbmasu3701: you can't connect to the Internet in 8.10?04:40
bruce89masu3701: here is fine04:40
crdlbor just not when trying to update?04:40
masu3701crdlb: jaunty 9.0404:40
crdlboh, you _did_ update04:40
masu3701crdlb: i upgraded from 8.10 but then didnt have internet at all04:41
crdlbhow are you connecting? wifi?04:41
masu3701crdlb: bother wifi and wire04:41
Starcraftmazter2ripps: is gnome mixer = "volume control"? if so, then no04:41
crdlbmasu3701: neither works?04:41
masu3701crdlb: no..so i had to go back and reinstall 8.1004:42
masu3701hahaaha04:42
rippsStarcraftmazter2: Sorry, I don't know then.04:42
crdlb:/04:42
crdlbmasu3701: you only have one computer?04:42
Starcraftmazter2ripps: thats ok, thanks for trying04:42
masu3701crdlb: yes04:43
crdlbmaybe you should wait for the release then04:43
masu3701crdlb: you think it will work with the final release?04:44
crdlbwhat ethernet chipset do you have?04:45
masu3701broadcom04:48
masu3701intel04:48
crdlbbroadcom wireless and intel ethernet?04:48
masu3701yes04:49
masu3701b43xx04:49
crdlbI would certainly expect that the ethernet should be working out of the box04:49
crdlbwhich would allow you to set up the wireless if necessary04:49
masu3701that is what i was thinking to04:49
masu3701but i think that i ran into problem will upgrading04:50
masu3701but i dont wanna take the change to redo it again04:50
rippsI don't know why so many people have a problem with notify-osd, yes it's still kinda buggy, but I like it.04:57
billybigriggerquit working for me with this weekends updates04:59
billybigriggerso im not complaining :P04:59
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jlduggersigh05:49
jlduggerits so hard to find anything about GNOME druids that aren't WoW related05:49
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bruce89anyone know how to fix http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23626371/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.telepathy-farsight_0.0.4-4%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz08:39
bruce89debhelper thinks something should be at in debian/tmp/usr/lib/python*/site-packages, but it's really in dist-packages08:41
IntuitiveNipplemodify the debian .install locations maybe?08:42
bruce89hmm, having to do that for every package from Debian will be fun08:44
crdlbI really don't understand why they renamed it ...08:45
crdlbit's like changing /usr/lib to /usr/libraries08:46
bruce89och well, I'll change it 'til I don't have to08:47
crdlbit's the appending of '/local' to the prefix that really kills me :/08:48
crdlbI ended up manually editing disutils just so I could get ccsm installed08:49
crdlbdistutils*08:49
askandWho decides what bugs will be targeted for a milestone?08:53
Hobbseethe release team, mainly09:01
Hobbseeanyone can add the milestone though, i think09:01
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VSpikeHmm strange.  My interfaces are numbered eth3 and eth4, although everything seems to be working09:14
haggisbasheruk just trying Jaunty rc5 here and wifi is grayed out, any fix for that ?09:28
haggisbasherukstupid network manager09:29
zniavrehaggisbasheruk:  i modified the network manager settings into autorisation09:30
zniavreyou should add yourself inside explicite autirsation09:30
haggisbasherukcheers ziroday09:30
zniavreim the one after   :o)09:31
haggisbasherukstupid auto complete09:31
zniavre:-[09:31
haggisbasherukxubuntu jaunty rc5 is running nice on the Aspire one A150 :)09:34
VSpikehaggisbasheruk: cool09:39
VSpikehaggisbasheruk: how much lighter is xubuntu these days?09:40
VSpikecompared to ubuntu, I mean09:40
haggisbasheruknight and day09:41
haggisbasherukdamn , added me to network authorisation with no constraints and the damn thing is still grayed out09:42
VSpikereally? I got the impression from somewhere a while back that the two were converging, and the xubuntu was in some kind of trouble as a project. But you think its still strong and with a distinctive character and advantage?09:42
haggisbasherukbrb09:42
haggisbasherukyup09:43
VSpikehmm neat .. thanks.09:43
zniavrehaggisbasheruk:  there is an haow to in english into ubuntforum.com (sorry english is nt my native language but there is a solution for grayed networkmanager09:43
VSpikeI've never done much more than tyre-kicking with it :) But I like light distros. Have played with Vector Light, Arch + Openbox, and Puppy09:44
haggisbasheruk_aaaaaaaargh still grayed out09:46
haggisbasheruk_supose i should do an update befor complainin :P09:50
zniavrehaggisbasheruk_:  http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture10.png09:56
zniavresorry picture is better than bad words   :-[09:57
bz0bhey guys is juanty pretty stable as of now?09:57
fosco_bz0b, yes here09:58
haggisbasheruk_did that zniavre09:58
bz0bfosco_: i mainly wanna try it for kubuntu edition for kde 4.2 it looks sexy09:58
zniavreit does not work ?09:58
haggisbasheruk_no :(09:58
bz0bwhat is the kernel for it as of now?09:58
zniavreim really sorry09:58
zniavre2.6.28-8-generic09:59
haggisbasheruk_i'll build wicd anyway as i hate network manager , it sux09:59
bz0bthanks09:59
zniavre:o)09:59
haggisbasheruk_i'll see what happens after these 300+ updates and a reboot09:59
haggisbasheruk_then i'll sysv-rc-conf and kill all the crap :)10:00
fosco_bz0b, .28-8 i think10:01
haggisbasheruk_brb reboot time10:18
kopertoni am running kubuntu 9.04 slow compiz  with intel945gm10:29
kopertonof course i have not kwin effects on10:29
haggisbasherukwicd sorted my problem zniavre :)10:39
haggisbasherukmuch prefered over crappy NetworkManager10:40
ali1234haggisbasheruk: bug 31982510:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319825 in linux "acer_wmi in Jaunty on Aspire One exposes non-functional (always disabled) rfkill device" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31982510:46
haggisbasherukstupid bug :P10:48
haggisbasheruki prefer wicd anyway :)10:49
ali1234but not in NM... the only reason wicd works is because it lacks functionality10:49
VSpikejust to check I'm not being dumb, package gtk-smooth-themes is available and depends on gtk2-engines, which doesn't contain the smooth engine... is that correct?10:50
haggisbasherukyay for lack of functionallity i say :)10:50
VSpikewicd is great10:50
haggisbasherukthanks for the bug report ali123410:51
haggisbasherukrmmod acer_wmi fixes it , thats a simple solution ali123410:53
bz0bhey guys i just installed kubuntu 9.04 did a dist-upgrade rebooted and now i get kde but like there is no background or taskbar at the bottom11:13
bz0bwhy is that?11:13
haggisbasheruksomeone stole them bz0b :P11:16
bz0bya i guess11:17
bz0balt f2 works firefox works konsole works pretty much all the apps work but i dont have a pretty background or taskbar at the bottom11:17
haggisbasherukdamn painters must have needed some wallpaper11:17
bz0bman lets go rob them11:18
haggisbasherukbrb11:18
* bz0b jacks painters wallpaper11:18
bz0bso anyone have any ideas?11:23
haggisbasheruksorry bz0b , i am kde noob11:23
vbgunzdesktop effects seem to have broken completely at some point in the latest updates. is this known or a rare issue?11:25
bz0bso do i disable desktop effects cause i litterally have no kde basically11:26
shadeslayervbgunz: really??11:27
vbgunzbz0b: you no longer have effects?11:27
bz0bi no longer have gui11:27
shadeslayeri think ill have a looksie if they are broken11:27
bz0bill take a screenshot and save it11:27
shadeslayerbz0b: if its really urgent for you to work you can install another DE11:28
vbgunzshadeslayer: yeah. cannot simply enable them. I am curious if this is known, planned or perhaps a rare corner case11:28
shadeslayerhaha11:28
vbgunznah, heh, its no emergency11:28
shadeslayerill boot to KDE then11:28
shadeslayerjust to check it out11:28
bz0bcheck it out http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1569/snapshot1b.png11:28
bz0bshadeslayer, what u mean DE11:29
bz0boh desktop effect11:29
shadeslayerdesktop enviroment11:29
shadeslayernoo11:29
bz0boh11:29
shadeslayerlol11:29
bz0bya11:29
bz0bumm well i guess11:29
bz0bxfce it is11:29
haggisbasheruk:)11:29
bz0bis ubuntu 9.04 or xubuntu 9.04 more stable right now?11:29
bz0bill just download the cd iso11:30
vbgunzbz0b: you cannot login because you have desktop effects enabled? what I did was to go to tty1 and edit the following file -> ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc ... look for the section [Compositing] and change the value of Enabled=true to Enabled=false... (X needs to be stopped), then restart X11:30
bz0bvbgunz, this will make kde work?\11:31
vbgunzbz0b: yeah11:31
bz0bhttp://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1569/snapshot1b.png11:31
bz0bthat is what i see now11:31
aboSamoorany idea how to fix usplash ?11:31
vbgunzbz0b: you need to stop X or at least log out before going to tty1 to edit that file.11:31
bz0bok11:31
bz0bbrb11:31
bz0bhow would i kill x11:31
vbgunzbz0b: easiest is to log out. go to tty1 and type in -> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop11:32
vbgunzbz0b that will stop kdm... then, edit the file in vim or what ever your comfortable in and repeat the command above *but* instead of stop, say either start OR restart... sometimes start fails where restart shines11:33
bz0bya11:34
bz0bok11:34
vbgunzgood luck11:34
bz0bso i edit ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc11:35
vbgunzyup11:35
bz0bok brb11:35
vbgunz[Compositing] should be at the very top of the file11:35
bz0bi disabled something else and it worked11:38
vbgunzbz0b: you have desktop effects enabled?11:38
bz0bthere was nothing under compositing that was true11:38
bz0bhold on ill show you my script11:38
vbgunzI just need to know what else you disabled? wass it GLDirect?11:39
bz0bi disabled kwin4_effect_coverswitchEnabled=true11:39
bz0bthats all i disabled11:39
vbgunzhmm11:39
vbgunzI dont or should not have that enabled at all11:39
bz0bunder plugins11:39
bz0bi had that as true now its false11:40
bz0bi guess ksmserver closed unexpectedly why is that11:40
bz0bnow plasma closed enexpectedly11:41
vbgunzbz0b: not sure. the default shortcut for turning off the effects should be Alt+Shift+F1211:42
bz0blol even firefox crashed11:43
vbgunzwell, its jaunty. I expect all of that to happen11:43
vbgunzI am happy desktop effects died and not X all together :)11:44
haggisbasheruk_damn , first crash on aspire one a150 after 4 hours use on xubuntu jaunty rc 5 , flashing caps lock led11:56
ali1234haggisbasheruk_: what wifi driver are you using?12:09
haggisbasheruk_let me see12:11
haggisbasheruk_ath5k12:12
ali1234hmm12:12
haggisbasheruk_lets hope they have fixed the dropout when your downloading large files12:13
haggisbasheruk_i'll download an iso to see12:13
ali1234i only ever got the kernel panic when using madwifi hal with heavy tx12:14
ali1234i could download huge isos without problem but if i tried to send something over ssh to another machine it would lock up after a few mb (with the flashing caps lock)12:14
haggisbasheruk_:/ weard12:15
ali1234it could have been an older ath5k actually... something to try anyway12:15
ali1234just because you can download, doesn't mean you can upload :)12:16
haggisbasheruk_i'll test that also ali123412:16
haggisbasheruk_where you local uploading or remote ?12:17
ali1234i was running scp on the acer and copying a file from it to my fileserver12:18
haggisbasheruk_okay ;)12:19
haggisbasheruk_i'll try local first then12:19
haggisbasheruk_i'll stick a fileserver on the ps3 running ubuntu/xfce this afternoon to test upload12:23
haggisbasheruk_back later12:25
haggisbasheruk__ali1234, still getting stalling with large file like iso's on the aspire one with ath5k , you think by now this would be fixed13:13
haggisbasheruk__back to madwifi then :(13:14
ali1234haggisbasheruk__: works for me :/13:18
haggisbasheruk__did you remove acer_wmi ?13:21
haggisbasheruk__i downloaded 2 jaunty iso's at the same time and connection dropped out at about 50%13:22
Eruaranhello13:26
haggisbasheruk__hi Eruaran13:26
EruaranAm I right in assuming that KPackageKit is broken atm on Kubuntu 9.04 ?13:26
Eruaranhi haggisbasheruk__13:26
EruaranI installed the alpha today.... Its looking rather promising13:27
haggisbasheruk__seems it is Eruaran , vbgunz was testing it out13:30
EruaranOk, so its not just me then :P13:31
Svishwhen is next version of ubuntu realeased?13:32
EruaranLate April13:32
haggisbasheruk__march13:32
Eruaranoh13:32
Svishso this month?13:32
haggisbasheruk__oh april i ment13:32
haggisbasheruk__lol13:32
Svishlol13:32
Eruaranah13:32
Eruaranwas gonna say13:32
Eruaranwut13:32
haggisbasheruk__09.04  = 09 year 04 month13:32
Svishah, correct13:33
Svishbut, like, is there a count down thing somewhere?13:33
EruaranI'm just gonna keep updating daily13:33
Pici!schedule13:33
ubottuA schedule of Jaunty Jackalope (9.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule13:33
EruaranIts running pretty well in general13:33
Svishah, ok, so: April 23rd  FinalRelease13:34
Svish?13:34
haggisbasheruk__still a few buggs that are anoying me , ath5k dropout with large files for example13:35
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joejchows 9.04?13:48
TwigathyI got it to NFS boot, with some hackery :D13:49
EruaranIts good13:50
EruaranI'm using Kubuntu 9.04 right now13:51
Eruaransome breakage but looking good for the April release13:51
joejcwhat r the best new features?13:53
EruaranOn Kubuntu, Ext4, KDE 4.2, nearly all KDE4 apps now, high level of integration, its much smoother now, and no need for compiz... and PackageKit13:55
Eruaran(although KPackageKit is broken atm I expect this will be fixed in due course)13:56
EruaranI'd heard manual partitioning was broken but it worked for me (might have been the previous alpha where that was broken)13:58
charlie-tcaI use Xubuntu, with Xfce 4.6 now. It works great13:58
Eruaranschweet13:58
Eruaran4.6 is shiny new13:58
charlie-tcajoejc: you can also check out the release notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha513:59
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SlartibartfastSo i have jaunty installed on a new disk, wanted to copy from the old disk (now ext usb) to the new one. But have problems with the charset ...14:18
Slartibartfastthe device notifier seem not to mount with the system locale14:18
Slartibartfasthow to mount manually an external  ext3 partition with the UTF-8 charset?14:19
CarlFKI have a touch screen with both usb and serial.  stock ubuntu install, usb works; serial doesn't.  I need to get the serial working.14:23
CarlFKmdetect... Found the following devices:    /dev/ttyS014:24
zaapielwill 9.04 be able to boot from an ext4 partion?14:40
EruaranI'm using 9.04 with Ext4 right now14:41
zaapielis /boot all on ext4?14:41
Eruaranpretty sure14:43
zaapielill test it on a VM later14:44
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Alex_GaynorAre there any currently known issues with Flash?15:09
Veinorit sucks15:09
Alex_GaynorWhen I try to access youtube it tells me I'm missing flash, but if I do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree it tells me it's already installled15:09
Alex_GaynorVeinor: other than the obvoius of course ;)15:10
charlie-tcaAlex_Gaynor: that's correct. If you remove the flashplugin-nonfree, YouTube will install it's version of flash, and nothing else seems to work with it15:16
charlie-tcabut YouTube will work15:16
Alex_GaynorWell I haven't actually done anything at youtube, it just told me I don't have flash15:16
charlie-tcaAt least, that's what happened here15:16
Alex_Gaynorpandora doesn't work either15:16
Alex_GaynorIs teh correct path to remove flash and reinstall it?15:16
charlie-tcaIf you click on the video, it should offer to install the missing plugin for you.15:17
charlie-tcaI don't think there is a correct path that I have found. It seems to be an issue for me that I haven't pursued15:18
Alex_Gaynorcharlie-tca: well youtube just gives me a link to adobe's website, pandora pops up the standard FF plugin missing dialog15:18
Alex_Gaynorand If I select the adobe plugin it tells me it's already installed15:18
charlie-tcaMaybe a search in Synaptic-Package-Manager for flash will turn something up?15:19
charlie-tcaGotta be something in the way.15:20
Alex_Gaynorcharlie-tca: well I removed it and installed it via the firefox dialog but I still get the same plugin missing thing whcih then tells me it's already installed15:22
charlie-tcaWhat did S-P-M show?15:22
Alex_Gaynorit shows that flashplugin-nonfree is insatlled15:22
Alex_Gaynoras I expected15:22
charlie-tcaI don't know, then. Bug report time, I guess.15:23
Alex_Gaynoryep :(15:24
MenZaI'm having some issues with my Intel 945GM graphics chip on Jaunty, but it worked fine on Intrepid. Anyone experiencing this?16:33
ali1234MenZa: what kind of issues?16:37
MenZaali1234: My video is very choppy in World of Goo. I'm not positive I have 3D acceleration.16:38
MenZaI can, however, use Compiz fine.16:39
ali1234well try turning compiz off before you run world of goo16:39
MenZaI don't use Compiz; I just checked if it worked to see whether or not I had 3D acceleration or not.16:40
ali1234even on my desktop, 3d games will crawl if compiz is running in the background16:40
MenZaIt's off, currently.16:40
MenZaHow can I check which driver Xorg is using?16:40
ali1234there's /var/log/Xorg.0.log16:40
ali1234and glxinfo16:41
MenZaOpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20090114 x86/MMX/SSE216:41
MenZaHmm, so I am using the Intel driver.16:41
MenZaI'm getting awful performance16:42
ali1234well it isn't exactly high end...16:43
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MenZaLike I said; it worked excellently in Intrepid16:43
MenZaI don't see why it should drop *this* dramatically in Jaunty16:44
ali1234the intrepid driver was extremely buggy and would crash all the time.... the fix seems to have reduced performance16:44
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MenZaThe intrepid driver gave me no issues, and I don't think it would drop the performance from 70+ FPS to <516:45
MenZaglxgears gives me ~260 FPS16:45
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ali1234well i dont know much about what was fixed16:46
MenZaI'll check Launchpad16:47
MenZaCheers16:47
ali1234i have the bug number somewhere16:47
MenZaI have something similar, ali123416:50
MenZabug 32429216:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 324292 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945] (Jaunty) Eschalon Book I runs only in windowed mode and it's terribly slow with Intel video cards" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32429216:50
ali1234https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/29602016:50
ubottuUbuntu bug 296020 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[855GM] 3D programs crash withAssertion `target_fake->is_static || target_fake->size_accounted' failed" [Unknown,Fix released]16:50
MenZathanks16:50
ali1234after that bug was fixed performance went down (but at least it worked)16:51
billybigriggerMenZa, glxinfo |grep "direct rendering"16:51
MenZabillybigrigger: Yes16:51
billybigriggerhmm16:51
crdlbthat always returns yes due to some mesa changes16:52
billybigriggermy old 945 was ok in some 3d games16:52
billybigriggerand it definately got more than 260fps in glxgears16:52
crdlbyou have to check for the string 'Software Rasterizer' now16:52
billybigriggereven running jaunty aplha 3 or 4 i think16:52
MenZawell, it's actually a 2D game16:52
MenZacrdlb: one sec16:52
billybigriggerwell you shouldnt have any problems then, what game?16:52
crdlbie glxinfo | grep -i software16:52
MenZabillybigrigger: World of Goo16:53
MenZacrdlb: no output16:53
billybigriggercrdlb, when did that change?16:53
crdlbintrepid16:53
MenZa[17:52:49] menza@kashyyyk - ~ $ glxinfo | grep -i software16:53
MenZa[17:52:58] menza@kashyyyk - ~ $16:53
billybigriggerMenZa, oh ya, still need a decent card for that game i think16:53
MenZabillybigrigger: like I said, it worked fine in Intrepid16:53
MenZaabsolutely no problems16:53
MenZa"To play it on Windows, you basically need a PC that's 5 years old or newer (1GHz or faster CPU, 512MB of RAM, 100MB of disk space, a 3D graphics card, DirectX 9.0c)."16:54
MenZa-- 2dboy.com16:54
MenZaI have a 1.8GHz Pentium Dual Core and 1 gig of RAM16:54
MenZaAnd the 945GM worked fine in Intrepid16:54
billybigriggerhmm16:54
MenZaIs it possible to grab the Intrepid version of mesa?16:55
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MenZaI'm checking out some from a PPA I found.16:59
MenZaor... not.17:05
DoYouKnowsome what menza?17:05
tuxxy__hey anyone know if the new alpha 6 will allow twinview via nvidia driver17:07
tuxxy__alpha 5 I had issues with17:07
ali1234i guess you'd have to ask nvidia about that17:08
tuxxy__ah well guess it wont hurt to try :p17:09
tuxxy__did anyone get twinview running on Jaunty yet?17:18
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Alex_GaynorI'm having an issue where I can't get any sound out of my primary soundcard+speakers, but my usb headset works fine.  My soundcard+speakers work fine under windwos, so they aren't the problem17:34
Alex_Gaynorthey are selected in system->preferences->sound for every option, and its not muted17:35
Alex_GaynorI'm not sure what else to check17:35
Alex_Gaynorit's a Soundblaster Audigy ZS217:36
tw1tchAlex_Gaynor: the only thing i can find is this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/no-sound-coming-from-my-sound-blaster-audigy-2-zs-platinum-sound-card-350860/      you might try it.17:45
Alex_Gaynortw1tch: hrm, it was working fine yesterday, so I don't know what I might have done17:46
tw1tchAlex_Gaynor: have you installed anything or updated... read through the forum i linked see if it looks like something.17:47
Alex_Gaynorwell I updated all my packages(probably 2 months worth of updates)17:47
Alex_Gaynorplus the jump to jaunty17:47
Alex_Gaynortw1tch: good call, seems to work now!17:49
tw1tchAlex_Gaynor: cool17:49
tw1tchAlex_Gaynor: make sure you save it and everything i think that was in there too17:49
Alex_Gaynoryep17:50
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another_guyI've installed jaunty and I have no window borders18:22
another_guyI need to fix it asap because I'm at work18:22
goodkarm-another_guy: gnome-wm is running?18:24
bruce89metacity?18:24
another_guylemme check18:24
another_guyit isnt18:24
another_guyI did ps aux|grep gnome-wm18:24
another_guyok, now I've got window borders18:25
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another_guywhew18:25
another_guythanks18:25
Ienorandanother_guy: Installing alpha software at work, hmm?18:33
fosco__living on the edge19:36
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HaeginI just read that Ctrl+Alt+Backspace is getting turned off by default in Jaunty. Why?!20:11
Infectoi have strange info that pidgin is to old to use icq acount20:11
crdlbHaegin: mainly because it's dangerous20:12
crdlbI believe it was actually an upstream X decision20:13
Haegincrdlb: only if you routinely mash your keyboard in all sorts of strange ways...20:13
HaeginI personally find it really useful - what do I have to do now when X crashes?20:13
crdlb'sudo dontzap --disable' will turn it back on20:13
HaeginAre we expected to go back to the windows way of power on reset?20:13
crdlbthere's always magic sysrq20:14
IntuitiveNippleHaegin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgCtrlAltBackspace20:14
Haeginthanks IntuitiveNipple20:15
Infecto!pidgin20:20
ubottuThe Instant Messenger Client Pidgin (formerly Gaim) (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin) supports MSN, XMPP (Jabber, GTalk and variants), AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ, YIM, IRC and others. See also !Kopete20:20
Ienorandproblems with wired net connection in latest daily (don't know about former versions) dhcp doesn't seem to work, neither does setting a static ip... "network unreachable", any ideas?20:25
IenorandIenorand: Oh, and net works fine with winxp on same computer.20:26
daftykinsdo you have a correctly set IP, subnet mask and default gateway?20:30
daftykinsIenorand ^20:35
Ienoranddaftykins> same as I use in winxp, so I presume it should work20:38
daftykinsyes but are they *set* correctly?20:38
daftykinshow are you setting the static settings?20:39
Ienoranddaftykins> just though network config gui-thing at the moment20:40
daftykinsok try via terminal20:40
Ienoranddaftykins> do I use ifconfig for that_20:41
daftykinsyep "ifconfig eth0 x.x.x.x netmask y.y.y.y"20:41
daftykinsthen check what your gateway is with "route -n"20:41
daftykins"UG" will be under "flags" on a line with the correct IP address in the "gateway" column20:42
daftykinsyou should be able to ping an IP on your network once they're set20:42
Ienorandokay thanks, I'll reboot and try20:43
daftykinsnp20:43
balachmarHi, I wanted to create a virtualmachine for upgrading, with the sandbox-clone-to-vm utility. However, the script fails with:  adduser: The user `root' already exists.20:48
Cronos https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oem-config/+bug/334281 <- is there a way to stop it going to the set up page when booting, and just going back to the oem load?21:27
ubottuUbuntu bug 334281 in oem-config "oem-config user-setup invalid username warning before username is entered" [High,Fix released]21:27
IenorandWhen trying to manually set ip using ifconfig I get this error: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/uNzHa2 ; help?21:28
InfectoIenorand: try first sudo -s21:29
Infectothen ifconfig eth up21:29
Infectoand then try to set21:29
IntuitiveNippleIenorand: Possibly related to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/28437721:31
ubottuUbuntu bug 284377 in linux "No NET with 2.6.27: No buffer space available" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:31
IenorandIntuitiveNipple: That sounds related yea21:41
skyl02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Sapphire X550 Silent]21:41
skyldesktop affects?21:41
crdlbhi21:41
skylhello?21:41
skyl*effects21:42
skyl"Jaunty doesn't have fglrx right now, so desktop effects won't work"21:42
crdlbtry this command I just made up: glxinfo | egrep -i '(direct|software)'21:42
skyl' Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". \n ' * 421:43
crdlbow, ok21:43
crdlbskyl: you should disable fglrx with the hardware drivers manager21:44
crdlbthe open source radeon driver should be able to run compiz on your GPU21:44
skylSystem>Administration>Hardware Drivers  ... "No prop... in use on this system"21:45
crdlbhmm21:45
crdlbmake sure xorg-driver-fglrx is not installed21:45
crdlbthen check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure Section "Device" has either no Driver at all or Driver "radeon" ("ati" works too)21:45
skylxorg-drivers-fglrx is installed, that's what I was about to say.. uninstalling...21:46
skylwhat about kernel-source ?21:46
crdlbthat's harmless21:47
skylIdentifier      "Configured Video Device"21:47
crdlbis that the only line in that section?21:48
skylyes21:48
crdlbok, just reboot and see what happens21:49
crdlbor if the fglrx module isn't loaded, you can just restart X21:49
skylhttp://pastebin.com/ddccd2d421:50
skylshould I comment out that line or just leave it?21:50
crdlbno, you need that line21:52
crdlbit links the device section to the screen section21:52
crdlbwell, you don't _really_ need it since there's nothing in in that section, of course :)21:53
skylokay, crdlb thanks, I'll be back to let you know how the reboot went21:53
skylcrdlb thanks, mission accomplished!22:05
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tormodhow often are the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/ rebuilt?23:00
crimsuntormod: on-demand.23:03
tormodwho "demands" it?23:04
crimsuni.e., if you want a new build, ask one of the ports guys in -devel23:04
crimsunyou could ask slangasek nicely, too23:04
tormodthanks23:04
td123I have heard that the new release is focusing on smaller screens, correct?23:09
td123in the sense that something will be displayed "correctly" on a smaller screen23:09
timoHi all23:11
timoDose pulseaudio in ubuntu work for every one or is it just my hardware.23:11
td123timo: it works for me in virtualbox23:12
timoI alwasy get conection refused and google has nothing that realy talks about this isue23:12
td123here is what I'm talking about in my previous question, http://img24.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img24/5858/ubuntuo.png23:12
timoI have tryed jaunty, hardy23:12
td123I just noticed that there is no way to view the bottom of that window. So this could be a bug23:13
td123or missing "feature" :P23:13
timoI think some people wil be socked when jaunty somes out it will be rubish with media23:13
td123timo: its not rubbish for me23:14
td123anyways, please don't judge a project that hasn't been completed...23:14
td123if you have a problem then look on forums or post a bug23:15
timoIm saying it for a reason. pulse is not getting any atention look at any bug reported23:15
td123timo: don't worry23:15
timoI am23:15
td123timo: just google your specific hardware / problem23:15
td123I'm sure there is something23:15
timothere isnt i ben woryed about this isue for ages. And every time i google i get a 200 page howto23:16
timoforgod sake pulse is the best thing to hapen to linux make the most of it23:17
timoif you see winodws 7 you wil know what i mean23:18
timo(runt over)23:18
td123timo: what exactly is your problem?23:18
timohttp://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:-i0IRLJThPoJ:https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302662+jaunty+pulseaudio+connection+refused&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk23:18
timosame thing on alfa 5 =-O23:19
td123timo: why didn't you post the output from that script?23:19
td123alfa = alpha23:19
timoIm burning kubuntu now23:19
td123timo: well, first of all, I would try to help the developers diagnose the problem by posting the output of the script they gave you...23:20
timoI was going to post a script but....................23:20
td123I said, post the output23:20
td123"Please download and execute the script at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and attach the output here."23:21
timoOk when i have the same isue oin kubuntu i will23:21
td123timo: it won't matter23:21
timowhy i wil open a new bug23:21
ryanpghi all... I'm playing around with the plymouth ppa packages, but I don't know how to get an initramfs built with plymouth "turned on", any other early adopters got tips?23:21
td123timo: this could have been fixed long ago...23:21
timoIm gona try fedora23:22
td123ok23:22
timothanks23:22
joaopintohi23:24
joaopintoany idea how to override the default LDFLAGS="-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions"  set by CDBS ?23:24
joaopintoI can't figure where is the default coming on /usr/share/cdbs23:26
albert23joaopinto: it is set by dpkg-buildpackage23:27
albert23unexport LDFLAGS in beginning of debian/rules will remove it23:27
joaopintoalbert23, ah, so I was looking in the wrong place, thanks23:28
joaopintohum, not working23:30
joaopintoI am still getting them prefixing configure23:30
joaopintomaybe i'll need to override DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV23:31
crimsun_if you use ./configure, yes you do23:32
crimsun_DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV := LDFLAGS="something"23:32
Ienorandwhy does "ping www.google.com" not work, whereas "wget www.google.com" does work?23:32
joaopintoI am using the default cdbs rule23:32
joaopintoops, I am on the wrong channel, this was for -motu :P23:33
crimsun_make sure you have include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk23:33
joaopintocrimsun_, I do23:33
joaopintoI just can't figure where does the LDFLAGs come from, is not defined there, albert23 pointed to dpkg-buildpackage23:34
joaopintobut I don't understand why hows does dpkg-buildpackage get's a default LDFLAGs not provide on the build makefile23:35
joaopinto/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools-vars.mk:DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV = CC="$(CC)" CXX="$(CXX)" CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" CXXFLAGS="$(CXXFLAGS)" CPPFLAGS="$(CPPFLAGS)" LDFLAGS="$(LDFLAGS)"23:36
albert23joaopinto: in a buildlog you will see: dpkg-buildpackage: set LDFLAGS to default value: -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions23:36
albert23if unexport doesn't work, try "LDFLAGS =" instead23:37
albert23without the  quotes23:37
joaopintodpkg-buildpackage: set LDFLAGS to default value: -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions23:38
joaopintoah ok, now I see it :P23:38
joaopintoalbert23, ="" did it, thanks23:38
albert23np23:39
joaopintonow I just hope it does not override the a subdir makefile ldflags :P23:39
sistoAnyone installed ubuntu on a MacBook 5,2? It won't boot with acpi. I have to boot with acpi=off. That leads to me not being able to change LCD brightness or see battery status. this model was launched on january 2009, should I file a bug report?23:42
crimsun_you should look through the `linux' bug reports for a dupe23:43
sistoi searched for "macbook 5,2" with no results... macbook 5,1 boots with no problem with the 8.10 kernel so I guess the problem is new to the 5,2 version23:44
sistomacbook 5,2 is the hardware version23:44
sistoit probably needs a new module or kernel patch23:45
Ienorandwhy does "ping www.google.com" not work, whereas "wget www.google.com" does work?23:48
sistocause they disabled ping server23:48
sistoor your firewall blocks it23:48
sistomore likely the second23:48
sisto64 bytes from vw-in-f147.google.com (74.125.113.147): icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=1140 ms23:48
sistoI have no problem pinging it23:48
sistoa little slow though23:49
fosco_ping working here23:49
fosco_64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=3 ttl=237 time=83.3 ms23:49
sistogoogle has different servers though23:50
sistomany many many23:51
IenorandOk, so if it is my (uni) firewall, is it possible to disable pinging globally through a firewall?23:53
sistodon't know23:55
sistothat's probably true23:56
swegnerI'm trying to boot jaunty from a LiveUSB (created from the "USB Startup Disc Creator"), but I don't see the option at the boot screen.  I only see "Install Ubuntu", "Check disc for defects", "Test memory", "Boot from first hard drive", "Rescue a broken system".  Is it not possible to simply boot from the USB?23:57

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