[00:43] did you guys see my network-manager bug? I am michael sabino [00:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/339716 [00:43] Ubuntu bug 339716 in network-manager "Network Manager fails to connect" [Undecided,New] [00:44] it relates to an interplay of b43 and network-manager [00:44] we're not developers [00:44] well, not Ubuntu ones [00:45] ok [00:45] #ubuntu-dev [00:46] #ubuntu-devel is not the place for "oh, here's my bug, please fix it". That's why we have a bugtracker. [00:46] * Hobbsee also notes that there's a whole bunch of bugs about that, on a variety of cards, it appears [00:47] ok [00:48] I think i had that earlier, too, on an intel card. I think I killed network manager then restarted it, and it worked [00:48] oh, and iwlist eth0 scan'd, too [00:56] bruce89: a few people here are devs [00:57] dtchen: doesn't mean we instantly become "here, fix my bug!" support people, though ;) [00:57] Hobbsee: :-) [00:57] I don't let facts get in the way of a dramatic statement [00:58] heh :) [01:45] Siegfried: which issue? [01:46] swegner already gave me the fix thanks :) (for flashplugin) [01:47] so I see [01:53] If I install 9.04 on a flash drive and run updates [01:53] I can clear out all old packages, right? [01:53] yes [01:54] bruce89: ..was that for me? [01:54] I anticipated it [01:54] ..so then if I install from that flash drive [01:54] it won't be out of date like if I did it from a disc? [01:55] I assume so [01:55] if that's true, it's going to be pretty awesome [01:55] rock on, guys [01:55] thanks, bruce89 [02:45] anyone running jaunty can you confirm whether remote desktop viewer has terminal services support yet? [02:46] nope [02:47] thanks bruce89 [02:48] I don't think it ever will, there is no real reason to [02:48] bruce89: why have vnc and rdp need two separate programs [02:49] bruce89: its in the roadmap for gnome 2.26 anyways [02:49] was it? [02:49] yes [02:49] right enough [02:51] imo, one remote deskop client that supports vnc and rdp would be useful and less confusing for newcomers [02:51] I'm sure it'll happen for 2.28 then [03:07] 2.28 should have some really nice things. [03:08] and 3.0 next spring :) [03:08] 3.0 just in time for the LTS, lol [03:10] -_-' [03:11] I doubt LTS will ship 3.0 though...I think Canonical learned from the fracas when they shipped FF 3.0 beta with the last LTS. [03:11] gnome 3.0 won't be much of a '.0' [03:11] And I imagine GNOME 3.0 will be a much more complex beast. [03:11] certainly not kde-style [03:12] I hope not anyway. GNOME 2.0 wasn't much of a .0, so let's hope that continues. [03:12] lol [03:12] you don't remember 2.0 well, do you? [03:12] Ubuntu is too boring, no new GDM, no new g-p-m [03:12] the only thing it had over kde 4.0 was that it was relatively stable [03:13] The only thing I was referring to was stability. ;) [03:13] but it didn't _do_ anything [03:13] bruce89: Didn't new GDM just land in Jaunty? [03:13] I could've sworn [03:13] pretty sure it'll be in karmic [03:13] No, never mind, still on 2.20. [03:13] there's a PPA [03:14] Lots of things are looking to be really nice in Karmic. [03:14] gie's the PPA [03:14] Including the usplash replacement (Plymouth I think?) [03:14] guess where that came from [03:14] Fedora I believe. [03:15] rhel alpha [03:15] that's what I mean [03:17] Ubuntu is Debian very unstable [03:44] can someone who uses compiz confirm a bug for me? [03:44] using the rotating cube desktop, pressing ctrl-alt-down shows all open applications in the bottom bar on all screens? [03:45] by "bottom bar" you mean the panel? [03:45] for whatever desktop is active, it shows the applications on all desktops [03:45] yes [03:45] that's not a bug [03:46] why? [03:46] there is only one panel; it just changes its contents when you switch workspaces [03:46] it shows desktop 1 apps on all 4 desktops [03:46] when you use an effect like cube, you're _not_ changing the workspace until you terminate it [03:46] or all of #2 apps on all 4 desktops [03:46] so the panel shows whatever it was showing when you started it [03:46] well id say thats a bug [03:47] desktop 1 apps are on desktop 1 [03:47] not all 4 [03:47] do you understand what I'm saying? [03:47] i know what your saying yes [03:47] there is only one panel [03:47] it can't be fixed [03:47] hmm [03:48] for expo, you can disable showing panels entirely [03:48] CAN'T be [03:48] or no one wants to [03:48] it can't be fixed [03:48] nothing is impossible [03:48] :P [03:48] unless you want to have a panel on each viewport wasting memory [03:48] haha i dont care ive got memory to spare [03:48] and it wouldn't really work correctly, since it wouldn't be of type=dock then [03:49] fair enough [03:49] you'd have to create identical panels on each workspace [04:03] I am using 9.04 and I am not able to use my already configured network printer or add a new printer? [04:04] How can I find source of problem === _max_3 is now known as Starcraftmazter [04:06] hello [04:06] i can't seem to kill the pcspkr on my laptop no matter what I do :/ [04:06] does anyone have any advice? [04:19] wow, the new GDM now gets all those notify-osd dialogues [04:19] nice to get a storm of rubbish when you switch users [04:26] Starcraftmazter: try adding "blacklist snd-pcsp" to your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [04:30] is this the channel for jaunty 9.04? [04:31] yes [04:32] Does anybody here know how to run autogen.sh within debian/rules? I tried asking #ubuntu-motu, but there not really talkative today. [04:32] i try to update from 8.10 but then i didnt have internet...how can i fix that? [04:33] ripps: that doesnt seem to habe worked. any other ideas? === nihilist is now known as nihilists === nihilists is now known as nihilistic [04:34] Starcraftmazter: did you reboot, it removes a kernel module. [04:34] !ot | masu3701 [04:34] i did [04:34] masu3701: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! === nihilistic is now known as nihilism [04:35] paste "lsmod" to a pastebin, let me see if the pcspkr is a snd module [04:35] ^Starcraftmazter [04:35] what is a pastebin? [04:36] !pastebin [04:36] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [04:36] ty [04:36] so #ubuntu is the support channel for jaunty 9.04? [04:36] no [04:36] oh, misunderstood your statement [04:37] #ubuntu is for <=intepid, #ubuntu+1 is for jaunty [04:37] * bruce89 is pleased to see DVDs work flawlessly in totem in Jaunty [04:38] ripps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/128609/ [04:38] cause i ask something about jaunty on here and someone talk me to go to #ubuntu [04:39] masu3701: sorry, I was wrong [04:39] bruce89: so what is it [04:40] Starcraftmazter2: hmm... it seems that you sound card is probably in control of the pc speaker. Are you sure you can't just mute in the Gnome Mixer? [04:40] masu3701: you can't connect to the Internet in 8.10? [04:40] masu3701: here is fine [04:40] or just not when trying to update? [04:40] crdlb: jaunty 9.04 [04:40] oh, you _did_ update [04:41] crdlb: i upgraded from 8.10 but then didnt have internet at all [04:41] how are you connecting? wifi? [04:41] crdlb: bother wifi and wire [04:41] ripps: is gnome mixer = "volume control"? if so, then no [04:41] masu3701: neither works? [04:42] crdlb: no..so i had to go back and reinstall 8.10 [04:42] hahaaha [04:42] Starcraftmazter2: Sorry, I don't know then. [04:42] :/ [04:42] masu3701: you only have one computer? [04:42] ripps: thats ok, thanks for trying [04:43] crdlb: yes [04:43] maybe you should wait for the release then [04:44] crdlb: you think it will work with the final release? [04:45] what ethernet chipset do you have? [04:48] broadcom [04:48] intel [04:48] broadcom wireless and intel ethernet? [04:49] yes [04:49] b43xx [04:49] I would certainly expect that the ethernet should be working out of the box [04:49] which would allow you to set up the wireless if necessary [04:49] that is what i was thinking to [04:50] but i think that i ran into problem will upgrading [04:50] but i dont wanna take the change to redo it again [04:57] I don't know why so many people have a problem with notify-osd, yes it's still kinda buggy, but I like it. [04:59] quit working for me with this weekends updates [04:59] so im not complaining :P === les_ is now known as les [05:49] sigh [05:49] its so hard to find anything about GNOME druids that aren't WoW related === asac_ is now known as asac === cwillu_ is now known as cwillu [08:39] anyone know how to fix http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23626371/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.telepathy-farsight_0.0.4-4%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [08:41] debhelper thinks something should be at in debian/tmp/usr/lib/python*/site-packages, but it's really in dist-packages [08:42] modify the debian .install locations maybe? [08:44] hmm, having to do that for every package from Debian will be fun [08:45] I really don't understand why they renamed it ... [08:46] it's like changing /usr/lib to /usr/libraries [08:47] och well, I'll change it 'til I don't have to [08:48] it's the appending of '/local' to the prefix that really kills me :/ [08:49] I ended up manually editing disutils just so I could get ccsm installed [08:49] distutils* [08:53] Who decides what bugs will be targeted for a milestone? [09:01] the release team, mainly [09:01] anyone can add the milestone though, i think === _NeoBlaster is now known as neoblaster === neoblaster is now known as NeoBlaster [09:14] Hmm strange. My interfaces are numbered eth3 and eth4, although everything seems to be working [09:28] just trying Jaunty rc5 here and wifi is grayed out, any fix for that ? [09:29] stupid network manager [09:30] haggisbasheruk: i modified the network manager settings into autorisation [09:30] you should add yourself inside explicite autirsation [09:30] cheers ziroday [09:31] im the one after :o) [09:31] stupid auto complete [09:31] :-[ [09:34] xubuntu jaunty rc5 is running nice on the Aspire one A150 :) [09:39] haggisbasheruk: cool [09:40] haggisbasheruk: how much lighter is xubuntu these days? [09:40] compared to ubuntu, I mean [09:41] night and day [09:42] damn , added me to network authorisation with no constraints and the damn thing is still grayed out [09:42] really? I got the impression from somewhere a while back that the two were converging, and the xubuntu was in some kind of trouble as a project. But you think its still strong and with a distinctive character and advantage? [09:42] brb [09:43] yup [09:43] hmm neat .. thanks. [09:43] haggisbasheruk: there is an haow to in english into ubuntforum.com (sorry english is nt my native language but there is a solution for grayed networkmanager [09:44] I've never done much more than tyre-kicking with it :) But I like light distros. Have played with Vector Light, Arch + Openbox, and Puppy [09:46] aaaaaaaargh still grayed out [09:50] supose i should do an update befor complainin :P [09:56] haggisbasheruk_: http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture10.png [09:57] sorry picture is better than bad words :-[ [09:57] hey guys is juanty pretty stable as of now? [09:58] bz0b, yes here [09:58] did that zniavre [09:58] fosco_: i mainly wanna try it for kubuntu edition for kde 4.2 it looks sexy [09:58] it does not work ? [09:58] no :( [09:58] what is the kernel for it as of now? [09:58] im really sorry [09:59] 2.6.28-8-generic [09:59] i'll build wicd anyway as i hate network manager , it sux [09:59] thanks [09:59] :o) [09:59] i'll see what happens after these 300+ updates and a reboot [10:00] then i'll sysv-rc-conf and kill all the crap :) [10:01] bz0b, .28-8 i think [10:18] brb reboot time [10:29] i am running kubuntu 9.04 slow compiz with intel945gm [10:29] of course i have not kwin effects on [10:39] wicd sorted my problem zniavre :) [10:40] much prefered over crappy NetworkManager [10:46] haggisbasheruk: bug 319825 [10:46] Launchpad bug 319825 in linux "acer_wmi in Jaunty on Aspire One exposes non-functional (always disabled) rfkill device" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319825 [10:48] stupid bug :P [10:49] i prefer wicd anyway :) [10:49] but not in NM... the only reason wicd works is because it lacks functionality [10:50] just to check I'm not being dumb, package gtk-smooth-themes is available and depends on gtk2-engines, which doesn't contain the smooth engine... is that correct? [10:50] yay for lack of functionallity i say :) [10:50] wicd is great [10:51] thanks for the bug report ali1234 [10:53] rmmod acer_wmi fixes it , thats a simple solution ali1234 [11:13] hey guys i just installed kubuntu 9.04 did a dist-upgrade rebooted and now i get kde but like there is no background or taskbar at the bottom [11:13] why is that? [11:16] someone stole them bz0b :P [11:17] ya i guess [11:17] alt f2 works firefox works konsole works pretty much all the apps work but i dont have a pretty background or taskbar at the bottom [11:17] damn painters must have needed some wallpaper [11:18] man lets go rob them [11:18] brb [11:18] * bz0b jacks painters wallpaper [11:23] so anyone have any ideas? [11:23] sorry bz0b , i am kde noob [11:25] desktop effects seem to have broken completely at some point in the latest updates. is this known or a rare issue? [11:26] so do i disable desktop effects cause i litterally have no kde basically [11:27] vbgunz: really?? [11:27] bz0b: you no longer have effects? [11:27] i no longer have gui [11:27] i think ill have a looksie if they are broken [11:27] ill take a screenshot and save it [11:28] bz0b: if its really urgent for you to work you can install another DE [11:28] shadeslayer: yeah. cannot simply enable them. I am curious if this is known, planned or perhaps a rare corner case [11:28] haha [11:28] nah, heh, its no emergency [11:28] ill boot to KDE then [11:28] just to check it out [11:28] check it out http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1569/snapshot1b.png [11:29] shadeslayer, what u mean DE [11:29] oh desktop effect [11:29] desktop enviroment [11:29] noo [11:29] oh [11:29] lol [11:29] ya [11:29] umm well i guess [11:29] xfce it is [11:29] :) [11:29] is ubuntu 9.04 or xubuntu 9.04 more stable right now? [11:30] ill just download the cd iso [11:30] bz0b: you cannot login because you have desktop effects enabled? what I did was to go to tty1 and edit the following file -> ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc ... look for the section [Compositing] and change the value of Enabled=true to Enabled=false... (X needs to be stopped), then restart X [11:31] vbgunz, this will make kde work?\ [11:31] bz0b: yeah [11:31] http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1569/snapshot1b.png [11:31] that is what i see now [11:31] any idea how to fix usplash ? [11:31] bz0b: you need to stop X or at least log out before going to tty1 to edit that file. [11:31] ok [11:31] brb [11:31] how would i kill x [11:32] bz0b: easiest is to log out. go to tty1 and type in -> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop [11:33] bz0b that will stop kdm... then, edit the file in vim or what ever your comfortable in and repeat the command above *but* instead of stop, say either start OR restart... sometimes start fails where restart shines [11:34] ya [11:34] ok [11:34] good luck [11:35] so i edit ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc [11:35] yup [11:35] ok brb [11:35] [Compositing] should be at the very top of the file [11:38] i disabled something else and it worked [11:38] bz0b: you have desktop effects enabled? [11:38] there was nothing under compositing that was true [11:38] hold on ill show you my script [11:39] I just need to know what else you disabled? wass it GLDirect? [11:39] i disabled kwin4_effect_coverswitchEnabled=true [11:39] thats all i disabled [11:39] hmm [11:39] I dont or should not have that enabled at all [11:39] under plugins [11:40] i had that as true now its false [11:40] i guess ksmserver closed unexpectedly why is that [11:41] now plasma closed enexpectedly [11:42] bz0b: not sure. the default shortcut for turning off the effects should be Alt+Shift+F12 [11:43] lol even firefox crashed [11:43] well, its jaunty. I expect all of that to happen [11:44] I am happy desktop effects died and not X all together :) [11:56] damn , first crash on aspire one a150 after 4 hours use on xubuntu jaunty rc 5 , flashing caps lock led [12:09] haggisbasheruk_: what wifi driver are you using? [12:11] let me see [12:12] ath5k [12:12] hmm [12:13] lets hope they have fixed the dropout when your downloading large files [12:13] i'll download an iso to see [12:14] i only ever got the kernel panic when using madwifi hal with heavy tx [12:14] i could download huge isos without problem but if i tried to send something over ssh to another machine it would lock up after a few mb (with the flashing caps lock) [12:15] :/ weard [12:15] it could have been an older ath5k actually... something to try anyway [12:16] just because you can download, doesn't mean you can upload :) [12:16] i'll test that also ali1234 [12:17] where you local uploading or remote ? [12:18] i was running scp on the acer and copying a file from it to my fileserver [12:19] okay ;) [12:19] i'll try local first then [12:23] i'll stick a fileserver on the ps3 running ubuntu/xfce this afternoon to test upload [12:25] back later [13:13] ali1234, still getting stalling with large file like iso's on the aspire one with ath5k , you think by now this would be fixed [13:14] back to madwifi then :( [13:18] haggisbasheruk__: works for me :/ [13:21] did you remove acer_wmi ? [13:22] i downloaded 2 jaunty iso's at the same time and connection dropped out at about 50% [13:26] hello [13:26] hi Eruaran [13:26] Am I right in assuming that KPackageKit is broken atm on Kubuntu 9.04 ? [13:26] hi haggisbasheruk__ [13:27] I installed the alpha today.... Its looking rather promising [13:30] seems it is Eruaran , vbgunz was testing it out [13:31] Ok, so its not just me then :P [13:32] when is next version of ubuntu realeased? [13:32] Late April [13:32] march [13:32] oh [13:32] so this month? [13:32] oh april i ment [13:32] lol [13:32] lol [13:32] ah [13:32] was gonna say [13:32] wut [13:32] 09.04 = 09 year 04 month [13:33] ah, correct [13:33] but, like, is there a count down thing somewhere? [13:33] I'm just gonna keep updating daily [13:33] !schedule [13:33] A schedule of Jaunty Jackalope (9.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule [13:33] Its running pretty well in general [13:34] ah, ok, so: April 23rd FinalRelease [13:34] ? [13:35] still a few buggs that are anoying me , ath5k dropout with large files for example === haggisbasheruk__ is now known as haggisbasheruk [13:48] hows 9.04? [13:49] I got it to NFS boot, with some hackery :D [13:50] Its good [13:51] I'm using Kubuntu 9.04 right now [13:51] some breakage but looking good for the April release [13:53] what r the best new features? [13:55] On Kubuntu, Ext4, KDE 4.2, nearly all KDE4 apps now, high level of integration, its much smoother now, and no need for compiz... and PackageKit [13:56] (although KPackageKit is broken atm I expect this will be fixed in due course) [13:58] I'd heard manual partitioning was broken but it worked for me (might have been the previous alpha where that was broken) [13:58] I use Xubuntu, with Xfce 4.6 now. It works great [13:58] schweet [13:58] 4.6 is shiny new [13:59] joejc: you can also check out the release notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha5 === stanley_ is now known as stormchas2000 [14:18] So i have jaunty installed on a new disk, wanted to copy from the old disk (now ext usb) to the new one. But have problems with the charset ... [14:18] the device notifier seem not to mount with the system locale [14:19] how to mount manually an external ext3 partition with the UTF-8 charset? [14:23] I have a touch screen with both usb and serial. stock ubuntu install, usb works; serial doesn't. I need to get the serial working. [14:24] mdetect... Found the following devices: /dev/ttyS0 [14:40] will 9.04 be able to boot from an ext4 partion? [14:41] I'm using 9.04 with Ext4 right now [14:41] is /boot all on ext4? [14:43] pretty sure [14:44] ill test it on a VM later === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:09] Are there any currently known issues with Flash? [15:09] it sucks [15:09] When I try to access youtube it tells me I'm missing flash, but if I do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree it tells me it's already installled [15:10] Veinor: other than the obvoius of course ;) [15:16] Alex_Gaynor: that's correct. If you remove the flashplugin-nonfree, YouTube will install it's version of flash, and nothing else seems to work with it [15:16] but YouTube will work [15:16] Well I haven't actually done anything at youtube, it just told me I don't have flash [15:16] At least, that's what happened here [15:16] pandora doesn't work either [15:16] Is teh correct path to remove flash and reinstall it? [15:17] If you click on the video, it should offer to install the missing plugin for you. [15:18] I don't think there is a correct path that I have found. It seems to be an issue for me that I haven't pursued [15:18] charlie-tca: well youtube just gives me a link to adobe's website, pandora pops up the standard FF plugin missing dialog [15:18] and If I select the adobe plugin it tells me it's already installed [15:19] Maybe a search in Synaptic-Package-Manager for flash will turn something up? [15:20] Gotta be something in the way. [15:22] charlie-tca: well I removed it and installed it via the firefox dialog but I still get the same plugin missing thing whcih then tells me it's already installed [15:22]