[00:12] <jrib> LjL: surely there exists a subversion client written in php?
[00:12] <LjL> jrib: err, i guess so, but do you think that's what he's asking?
[00:12] <LjL> jrib: ... or are you just mocking me because PHP is involved?
[00:13] <jrib> LjL: the second one :)
[00:13] <LjL> hmpf.
[00:13] <LjL> anway
[00:13] <LjL> !info websvn | jrib
[03:07] <Flannel> er
[03:07] <Flannel> mute snuxoll in -ot?
[07:20] <jillsmitt> wtf?
[07:21] <Flannel> Hi jillsmitt, how can we help you?
[07:22] <jillsmitt> Flannel: dunno, this channel is bew for me
[07:22] <jillsmitt> i see it in first time
[07:23] <Flannel> jillsmitt: You've been sent here because you're banned from the channel you were joining.
[07:24] <jillsmitt> oh i see
[07:24] <jillsmitt> you mean if i banned..
[07:24] <jillsmitt> cool
[07:24] <jillsmitt> and u are ops
[07:24] <jillsmitt> ok
[07:24] <jillsmitt> and what next?
[07:25] <Flannel> Do you understand why you were banned?
[07:25] <jillsmitt> about something "troll" and about my opinion about enter-exit masseges percent
[07:26] <jillsmitt> about anything else
[07:26] <Flannel> jillsmitt: Because you were being disruptive.
[07:26] <Flannel> and franky, rude.
[07:26] <jillsmitt> but i am okay and i have not any reasons to unban
[07:27] <jillsmitt> is this any judgment day&)
[07:28] <Flannel> Well, I didn't ban you, and I'm not in charge of #kubuntu, so you'll have to speak to the people who are/did.  But, in the meantime, you should read and understand the IRC guidelines, and our code of conduct: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[07:30] <jillsmitt> oh thaks of course but i dont have much time to this "school-games"
[07:30] <jillsmitt> just its a chance
[07:30] <jillsmitt> to say that bazhang is idiot)
[07:30] <jillsmitt> and i thank you for that chance
[07:30] <jillsmitt> or chanse
[07:31] <jillsmitt> can i go now?
[07:32] <Flannel> jillsmitt: goodbye
[07:32] <jillsmitt> #kubuntu was in autoconnect list)
[07:52] <polatov> hi to all
[07:53] <polatov> i am was banned because i am use other OS, and asked about group "users" in gentoo
[07:55] <Flannel> polatov: This is the place for Ubuntu bans, which it seems you don't have any of.  You should talk to the gentoo ops about bans in gentoo channels.
[07:55] <polatov> Flannel, i am banned on ubuntu channel
[07:56] <polatov> ubuntu-ru
[07:56] <Flannel> polatov: Ah.  LoCo channel bans are taken care of in #ubuntu-irc
[11:25] <shadeslayer> uh am i banned permanently from #ubuntu??
[11:28] <shadeslayer> brb
[11:28] <elky> @bansearch shadeslayer
[11:29] <elky> quite a collection
[11:29] <shadeslayer> XD
[11:30] <shadeslayer> LjL said that i had 3 
[11:30] <shadeslayer> reports against me
[11:30] <elky> @bansearch sh4d3sl4y3r
[11:30] <bazhang> shadeslayer, is that humorous?
[11:30] <shadeslayer> no
[11:30] <shadeslayer> :(
[11:30] <shadeslayer> uh the last one is not me
[11:31] <bazhang> shadeslayer, also go by the nick rohan sometimes?
[11:31] <shadeslayer> umm some one registered it
[11:31] <shadeslayer> he abused me too
[11:31] <shadeslayer> rohan that is
[11:31] <shadeslayer> im not him 
[11:32] <bazhang> not really an answer though
[11:32] <shadeslayer> well i used rohan when i started to use ubuntu about 2 months ago
[11:32] <elky> bazhang, he also goes by urgreat, imgreat
[11:33] <shadeslayer> then shifted to shadeslayer,
[11:33] <bazhang> elky, nice catch
[11:33] <shadeslayer> uh no
[11:33] <ikonia> I wonder if their IP's match
[11:33] <shadeslayer> well i think thats why i got banned too
[11:33] <ikonia> what ?
[11:33] <ikonia> shadeslayer: why do you think you got banned
[11:33] <shadeslayer> because my IP and his IP matched
[11:34] <elky> bazhang, the nick shadeslayer has also been guilty of flooding, swearing, giving out bad/dangerous advice
[11:34] <bazhang> shadeslayer, you got a cloak to get around that ban?
[11:34] <elky> shadeslayer!n=rohan@unaffiliated/shadeslayer  is a previous ident too
[11:34] <ikonia> shadeslayer: so you use the name rohan and you use the same ip too
[11:34] <shadeslayer> :O
[11:34] <shadeslayer> nooo
[11:34] <ikonia> shadeslayer: wow - thats a pretty big co-incidence
[11:34] <shadeslayer> wait ill explain
[11:34] <bazhang> elky, of that I am well aware
[11:34]  * ikonia walks off from futher time wasting
[11:34] <shadeslayer> ikonia: i know,my ISP recently changed everything
[11:34] <elky> bazhang, i know you know. i'm just making sure rohan knows.
[11:34] <bazhang> shadeslayer, you are clearly not telling the truth here.
[11:35] <shadeslayer> ill explain more clearly
[11:35] <elky> shadeslayer, so someone else got your ip, and your old nick somehow?
[11:35] <bazhang> a cousin or a roommate?
[11:35] <shadeslayer> i registered my nick
[11:35] <elky> bazhang, that's the oldest excuse in the book
[11:35] <bazhang> shadeslayer, this new cloak was to evade a ban?
[11:35] <shadeslayer> when i realised some one was using my  nick
[11:36] <shadeslayer> no
[11:36] <ikonia> shadeslayer: so someone was using the same nick and the sme ip as you - wow 
[11:36] <shadeslayer> my roomie mp
[11:36] <ikonia> ahhh
[11:36] <ikonia> there we go
[11:36] <ikonia> roommate - of course
[11:36] <shadeslayer> so i registered the nick shadeslayer to me
[11:37] <bazhang> I'm shocked to find untruths being told here.
[11:37] <elky> shadeslayer, and gave them the password?
[11:37] <shadeslayer> and left rohan about 2 months ago
[11:37] <ikonia> this is a waste of time telling lies
[11:37] <shadeslayer> my roomie most probably registered rohan
[11:37] <ikonia> shadeslayer: then go and thank him for getting you banned
[11:38] <bazhang> shadeslayer, one final question; when you logged in as urgreat the other day, was it you had forgotten that you were banned with that IP?
[11:38] <elky> shadeslayer, take a look at this line: shadeslayer!n=rohan@unaffiliated/shadeslayer 
[11:38] <shadeslayer> well i will 
[11:38] <elky> that is 'rohan' using the IDENTIFIED nick shadeslayer
[11:38] <shadeslayer> yeah my name is rohan
[11:38] <shadeslayer> he was using my name as a nick against me
[11:38] <ikonia> shadeslayer: stop wasting our time
[11:38] <ikonia> shadeslayer: seriously - this is pointless
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ok i told you the truth
[11:39] <ikonia> shadeslayer:  you get a lot further if you just get straight with people
[11:39] <bazhang> he is acting the same way in #kubuntu as well 
[11:39] <shadeslayer> i am telling the truth 
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ?
[11:39] <bazhang> not banned there afaik
[11:39] <elky> shadeslayer, we're discussing the behaviour that's happened under this nick -- shadeslayer -- while it has been identified
[11:39] <shadeslayer> yes and??
[11:39] <elky> shadeslayer, so unless you now give out your password...
[11:39] <shadeslayer> i did not give out my pass
[11:40] <shadeslayer> i was logged in and he used my pC
[11:40] <bazhang> QED you are lying.
[11:40] <elky> shadeslayer, then you are the exact same person who did the wrong things, and you cannot blame it on anyone
[11:40] <shadeslayer> i forgot to lock the screen
[11:40] <shadeslayer> so will i or will i not get unbanned??
[11:40] <elky> not at this point.
[11:40] <bazhang> nope
[11:40] <shadeslayer> any point in the future?
[11:41] <elky> depends on when you decide to be honest.
[11:41] <shadeslayer> i am being honest
[11:41] <elky> no, you're not
[11:41] <shadeslayer> what do you think??
[11:41] <bazhang> sh4d3sl4y3r <--and this nick as well
[11:41] <shadeslayer> no ways
[11:41] <shadeslayer> thats not me
[11:42] <bazhang> its the exact same name basically.
[11:42] <bazhang> and a very unusual one at that.
[11:42] <shadeslayer> i can gurantee that imgreat,urgreat and that nick are not mine
[11:42] <bazhang> all these 'coincidences' you are talking about are simply a fiction.
[11:42] <shadeslayer> you must trust me
[11:43] <bazhang> that day is gone.
[11:43] <shadeslayer> please those nicks are not mine
[11:43] <shadeslayer> all 3 of them are not mine
[11:43] <bazhang> regardless your behaviour with this nick is not acceptable
[11:44] <shadeslayer> ok now with shadeslayer what did i do??
[11:44] <bazhang> and that goes for any other #ubuntu channels as well
[11:46] <bazhang> if you need to ask then you are clearly not ready to join 
[11:46] <bazhang> it would be best to be honest as a first step.
[11:46] <shadeslayer> i dont think i did any thing with shadeslayer
[11:46] <elky> flooding, swearing, giving out bad advice.
[11:46] <shadeslayer> flooding and swearing??
[11:47] <bazhang> shadeslayer, you think the main channels are some kind of offtopic fun chatground
[11:47] <shadeslayer> no i do not
[11:47] <bazhang> you act that way.
[11:47] <shadeslayer> only on #defocus
[11:47] <shadeslayer> and i am sorry if you felt so
[11:47] <bazhang> you persist in wildly offtopic non-support type questions
[11:48] <shadeslayer> look im soory if you felt that i was indulging in flooding and swearing
[11:48] <shadeslayer> but i did not mean to do so
[11:48] <bazhang> like how to get your computer LEDs to act as a download meter or some such; there are a number of instances as well, all followed with short bursts of laughing, emoticons, and other very offtopic behaviour
[11:49] <shadeslayer> well where do i ask such questions then
[11:49] <elky> ubuntuforums.org
[11:49] <bazhang> flooding is what you do every single time you are in any of the ubuntu channels
[11:49] <shadeslayer> i thought i would get better answers here
[11:50] <shadeslayer> bazhang,the persistent enters??
[11:50] <bazhang> shadeslayer, not only that.
[11:50] <shadeslayer> then??
[11:50] <bazhang> scroll up ^^ I just said
[11:50] <elky> shadeslayer, you really need to learn better behaviour in general if you're wanting to start a LUG, too
[11:51] <shadeslayer> actually i started one
[11:51] <bazhang> shadeslayer, essentially you make the channels unusable for others
[11:51] <shadeslayer> look im really sorry
[11:51] <shadeslayer> what can i do to make it up??
[11:51] <bazhang> others more so.
[11:52] <bazhang> you cant make it up.
[11:52] <bazhang> you need to learn some basic impulse control and how to behave in ubuntu support channels.
[11:52] <shadeslayer> i wont do anything to disturb the channels now
[11:52] <Myrtti> making up isn't what we're looking for
[11:52] <elky> shadeslayer, you started a LUG in the space of 7 days? only 7 days ago you were using the words 'going to start a lug'
[11:52] <shadeslayer> ok i will learn self control
[11:53] <shadeslayer> elky: yeah the head of the department liked the idea
[11:53] <bazhang> its not a short time thing.
[11:53] <shadeslayer> well its only 3 members as of noe
[11:53] <shadeslayer> *now
[11:53] <elky> that's not a lug yet
[11:53] <shadeslayer> right now i have permissions to start putting up notices
[11:53] <bazhang> respecting others rights to use the shared resource that is the ubuntu channels, staying focused and completely on topic and first and foremost being honest.
[11:54] <shadeslayer> small LUG 
[11:54] <shadeslayer> ok i will be
[11:54] <bazhang> None of which you have even come close to 
[11:54] <shadeslayer> just give me one more chance
[11:54] <bazhang> like now for instance.
[11:54] <shadeslayer> i will behave more appropriately
[11:54] <bazhang> just a day or so ago in #kubuntu you were acting the EXACT same way.
[11:55] <shadeslayer> like asking for a two button boot??
[11:55] <shadeslayer> i actually found that
[11:55] <bazhang> not the point, no.
[11:55] <shadeslayer> ok i get it,weird questions out
[11:56] <bazhang> the constant flooding and wildly offtopic behaviour.
[11:56] <ikonia> shadeslayer: youknew all this anyway - I've spoken to you in private about it
[11:56] <shadeslayer> will never happen again
[11:56] <shadeslayer> ?
[11:56] <bazhang> like adding XD to every thing you say, laughing, giving out very bad advice, the list goes on.
[11:56] <elky> ikonia, let me guess, not a single mention of the phantom room mate?
[11:57] <shadeslayer> i agree i made some mistakes,but if you dont give me a chance to reform,how will i reform
[11:57] <ikonia> nope
[11:57] <bazhang> honestly at this point it seems identical to trolling.
[11:57] <elky> shadeslayer, also, stop trying to evade the bans. that's a breach of freenode terms of service.
[11:57] <shadeslayer> im not trying to evade bans
[11:58] <elky> sh4d3sl4y3r!*@* 
[11:58] <bazhang> being dishonest, wildly offtopic, taking over the channel with smiley after every two word burst of laughter/enter
[11:58] <shadeslayer> i dont even know how to evade bans,else i would have been in #ubuntu by now
[11:58] <ikonia> shadeslayer: on the 26th of Fedb - I kicked you out of ubuntu - you asked why and I spoke to you in detail about it
[11:58] <ikonia> shadeslayer: do you remember that conversation
[11:58] <shadeslayer> elky: as i told you thats not me
[11:58] <shadeslayer> ikonia: very well
[11:58] <ikonia> shadeslayer: so if you remember that conversation, why are we having to explain it again
[11:59] <shadeslayer> ikonia: because you have to give me a chance to rform
[11:59] <shadeslayer> *reform
[11:59] <ikonia> shadeslayer: yes, and you've not
[11:59] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you're still fdoing the same things
[11:59] <shadeslayer> i did not get a chance 
[11:59] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you have 
[11:59] <elky> shadeslayer, you've had plenty of chances since then to reform, and youve not.
[12:00] <shadeslayer> when?? since 26th feb i have been banned
[12:00] <ikonia> shadeslayer: I didn't ban you on the 26th
[12:00] <ikonia> shadeslayer:  you rejoined the channel on the 26th
[12:00] <ikonia> more lies
[12:00] <shadeslayer> one sec
[12:01] <elky> on the 2nd, 3rd, 6th and today. at least one of those times involved you discussing the lug and installfests you wanted to start.
[12:02] <shadeslayer> on an offtopic channel
[12:02] <shadeslayer> #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:02] <bazhang> shadeslayer, I have had to remove you as well on more than one occasion
[12:02] <shadeslayer> bazhang: uh no,i havent been kicked from any of your channels
[12:03] <bazhang> it was you who was doing all this, and not some mysterious third party, without a doubt.
[12:03] <shadeslayer> no
[12:03] <ikonia> shadeslayer: if your deadly serious about wanting back in - I suggest you take some time away from the ubuntu channels - maybe a week or so and come back with a fresh perspective
[12:03] <shadeslayer> look i dont think were getting anywhere
[12:03] <bazhang> shadeslayer, a day or so ago in #kubuntu?
[12:03] <elky> i know we're not getting anywhere.
[12:03] <elky> we havent been getting anywhere since you started lying to us.
[12:04] <shadeslayer> uh i was experiencing problems with my ISP,i wasnt here 2 days ago
[12:04] <bazhang> if he does not, and continues in #kubuntu as before 
[12:04] <shadeslayer> look i ll keep a low profile for the next week
[12:04] <bazhang> shadeslayer, that is simply false.
[12:04] <shadeslayer> no
[12:04] <bazhang> bye shadeslayer 
[12:05] <ikonia> shadeslayer: all honesty, take a week away from teh ubuntu channels, re-asses how you approach it and come back and chat to us
[12:05] <shadeslayer> ok bye,since no one seems intrested to unban me
[12:05] <bazhang> +s
[12:05] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:05] <ikonia> shadeslayer: a different perspective may help 
[12:05] <bazhang> a mountain 'o lies
[12:06] <ikonia> I know it was as I spent 30 minuts explaineing to him about behaviour in ubuntu
[12:06] <bazhang> and he was in #kubuntu a day or so ago in the exact same manner.
[12:07] <bazhang> not even very good lies.
[12:07] <ikonia> nope, I suggest he take a week out and he's straight into #kubuntu
[12:07] <ikonia> ahh just left
[12:08] <bazhang> just a fyi , the alternate sh4d3sl4yer nick was in #debian a while ago discussing how bad ubuntu was, wanting to troll the channels, and other bits of nastiness
[12:08] <ikonia> and he join #suse
[12:09] <bazhang> ikonia, you must be either omniscient or in every linux distro channel 
[12:14] <Pici> meh. 
[12:14]  * Pici just finished reading scrollback
[12:14] <ikonia> morning Pici 
[12:15] <Pici> (good) morning ikonia 
[12:16] <bazhang>  shadeslayer_ is now known as maddy__
[12:17] <ikonia> and he's just quit
[12:17] <bazhang> * shadeslayer_ (n=quassel@122.163.113.172
[12:17] <bazhang> dropped the cloak to ban evade I gather
[12:17] <bazhang> or his ISP had another big change second in three days.
[12:18] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[12:19] <elky> worst. disguise. evah
[12:19] <ikonia> mady123 kicked form ubuntu, 30 seconds after discussion in here
[12:19] <ikonia> freenode staff time
[12:19] <ikonia> persistant ban dodger
[12:19] <ikonia> using cloak to hide
[12:19] <bazhang> he said he had no idea how to ban evade just a short while ago
[12:19] <ikonia> we all know that's a joke and he's just proved it
[12:20] <bazhang> yep
[12:20] <bazhang> so the other nick sh4d3slsyer is him as well, without question
[12:20] <ikonia> totally
[12:28] <bazhang> ikonia, you have his ip address on highlight/watch?
[12:28] <ikonia> yup
[12:29] <bazhang> aha
[12:29] <bazhang> no wonder you're so omniscient
[12:34] <elky> * #winapi n=insanoid 122.163.133.115 irc.freenode.net insanoid H :0 Karthikeya
[12:34] <elky> * * n=arjunjai 122.163.135.6 irc.freenode.net master12345 H :0 purple
[12:34] <elky> those are the only other two from 122.163
[12:34] <elky> i think we can safely ban that subnet
[12:36] <elky> @mark shadeslayer for easy finding when he next comes to plead innocence
[12:42] <bazhang> I have to find this nifty track the user IP feature in xchat
[12:42] <elky> pounce?
[12:42] <Myrtti> I need to find a way to get the geoip.pl to work in my irssi
[12:42] <bazhang> hehe
[12:43] <bazhang> I am talking stone age Myrtti is talking 22nd century
[12:43] <Myrtti> I've got the perl module and the c module, but I don't know how to make the script look for the perl module where it is
[12:43] <Pici> I have it working, but my setup is normal and I know next to nothing about perl.
[12:44] <Myrtti> I had to compile the c bindings and the perl module to my $HOME...
[13:10] <bazhang>  hmm clarks is gizmo
[13:13] <bazhang> dux0r_, hi how may we help you
[13:14] <dux0r_> howcome i cant join #ubuntu ?
[13:14] <Amaranth> @login
[13:14] <Amaranth> @bansearch dux0r_
[13:14] <dux0r_> ?
[13:15] <Myrtti> 2009-03-06T02:31:48 *** dux0r has quit IRC ("EAT MY FUCKIN JEW RAT CUNT SHIT YOU FUAKCAN RETARD. UNLESS UR NICOLE THEN HIYA HOW ARE YOU, WANNA COME OVER N GET SOME POPCOR)
[13:15] <Pici> whoa
[13:15] <Myrtti> yeah, my sentiments exactly
[13:15] <Amaranth> wow...
[13:15] <dux0r_> haha, is that me?
[13:15] <Myrtti> dux0r_: "gee, I wonder why"
[13:16] <dux0r_> not sure why thats my quit message ^_o
[13:16] <dux0r_> oh well, is it cool to ask ubuntu questions in here
[13:16] <dux0r_> ?
[13:17] <Amaranth> nope, this channel is not for support
[13:17] <dux0r_> aight
[13:17] <bazhang> no.
[13:17] <Pici> Er..
[13:17] <Amaranth> all he had to do was change the message
[13:19] <bazhang> uh
[13:20] <Amaranth> he tried to join #ubuntu again
[13:20] <Pici> Yes.
[13:24] <Myrtti> next time he comes in he has to prove he's changed it
[13:24] <topyli> i wonder who nicole is
[13:25] <topyli> has charming friends
[13:41] <ikonia> mother of god
[13:41] <ikonia> panarchy is claiming he is a black hat hacker for hire now in ##windows-server
[13:41] <ikonia> he's really stepped up a level
[13:48] <Pici> ikonia: How many channels are you in?!
[13:49] <ikonia> many many mant
[13:49] <ikonia> many
[13:49]  * genii sips
[13:49] <ikonia> not regular active in all of them, some just for "reading" 
[13:50] <ikonia> eg: I'm folloing fedora-ds development, but I don't know enough about it to contribute
[13:50] <ikonia> but it does make interesting reading
[13:54] <ikonia> shadeslayer back online insists it wasn't him changing nicks to mandy123 etc
[13:55] <bazhang> heh
[13:56] <ikonia> why is there no staff around today ???
[13:57] <genii> Professional Development Day ?
[13:58] <ikonia> genii: seriously ? 
[13:58] <ikonia> genii: I don't know if that's a real thing ?
[13:58] <bazhang> happy women's day!
[13:58] <genii> ikonia: Heh... here (in Canada) the teachers get those days on occasion. But on IRC I dunno
[14:06] <ikonia> christal seems to be on the job now, so all good
[14:13] <Pici> el
[14:14] <ikonia> el ?
[14:14] <ikonia> el capitano ?
[14:14] <Pici> christel
[14:14] <ikonia> ahh
[14:14] <ikonia> oops
[14:14] <Pici> :)
[14:14] <ikonia> el christel ?
[14:15] <Pici> la christel
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[14:25] <ikonia> 14:24 <+FloodBot1> -WARNING: ljjjl_!ljl@93-32-58-32.ip32.fastwebnet.it may be evading the ban on  cw]n]hyr!n=ljl@93-32-58-32.ip32.fastwebnet.it
[14:25] <ikonia> really ???
[14:26] <Pici> nah
[14:26] <LjjjL_> I AM NOT!
[14:26] <ikonia> ban ban ban
[14:26] <LjjjL_> but the bot is right
[14:26] <LjjjL_> that fellow is using my IP
[14:26] <ikonia> LjjjL_: let me guess, it was your roo mate ?
[14:26] <ikonia> room 
[14:26] <LjjjL_> nope
[14:26] <ikonia> LjjjL_: or your sister
[14:26] <Pici> how dare he
[14:26] <LjjjL_> nope, neither
[14:27] <LjjjL_> my ISP NATs our IPs
[14:27] <ikonia> nah, I think it was your roommate
[14:27] <LjjjL_> (also, why is LjjjL taken)
[14:27] <ikonia> thats the easy answer
[14:27] <LjjjL_> ikonia: lies. it was my brotha
[14:27] <LjjjL_> no but seriously
[14:27] <ikonia> you're using LjjjL
[14:27] <LjjjL_> i was logged in as LjjjL yesterday
[14:27]  * Pici hrms 
[14:27] <ikonia> that's why it's taken
[14:27] <LjjjL_> it can+t not have timed out yet
[14:28] <LjjjL_> ikonia: yeah but i'm not *really* using it
[14:28] <bazhang> nice gramma
[14:28] <LjjjL_> i stopped using it like 12 hours ago
[14:28] <bazhang> +r
[14:28] <ikonia> whoaaa
[14:28] <ikonia> LjjjL_: I can kick it :)
[14:28] <Pici> You can't k-line it though
[14:28] <LjjjL_> ikonia: nah, it should be identified
[14:28] <LjjjL_> i'll kill it
[14:28] <ikonia> Pici: shame ;)
[14:29] <ikonia> there he goes
[14:29] <LjjjL> you hoped it was a faker didn't you
[14:29] <ikonia> a little
[14:30] <LjjjL> really, they should tweak the timeouts a bit
[14:30] <LjjjL> once i've had a user remain connected for *three* days, without timing out
[14:30] <ikonia> mine normally time out after about 12 minutes if I get disconnected
[14:30]  * genii sips
[14:30] <LjjjL> ikonia: it depends which channeels you're in
[14:30] <LjjjL> ikonia: if you're in #ubuntu, it'll go "sendq exceeded" pretty quick
[14:30] <LjjjL> but if you're in no channels, then it can virtually stay on forever
[14:30] <ikonia> LjjjL: but you're client was also in #ubuntu
[14:31] <LjjjL> really? hmm
[14:31] <LjjjL> ooh wait.
[14:31]  * LjjjL hides in shame
[14:31] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[14:31] <ikonia> it was your brother ?
[14:31] <LjjjL> i apparently quadruple-kicked on the xchat icon
[14:32] <ikonia> silly
[14:33] <ikonia> those magnificent Italiano fingers in overdrive
[14:34] <LjjjL> ikonia: i don't have a taskbar on the eeepc, i won't easily notice an application is open twice
[14:34] <LjjjL> ikonia: also, it's not my fault at all. my parents made me stupid.
[14:34] <ikonia> ha
[14:40] <Pici> LjjjL: The floodbots are fuzzy today, do they need a shave?
[14:57]  * genii grabs a to-go cup of coffee before /away 
[14:59]  * Gary steals it
[15:39] <jussi01> stdin: ping
[16:27] <Pici> !ohmy
[16:27] <Pici> !-ohmy
[17:33] <Seeker`> hi
[17:34] <ikonia> hello Seeker` 
[17:36] <ikonia> jussi01: stdin can you clear a ubottu session please
[17:36] <ikonia> my paste function just borked
[17:36] <ikonia> I've just pasted a session ide
[17:37] <ikonia> id
[17:37] <ikonia> or anyone who's got acces to the ubottu server reall
[17:37] <ikonia> really
[17:37] <ikonia> ughhhh my keyboard/session is messed up, I suspect that's why my clipboard screwed
[17:37] <ikonia> apologies
[17:52] <Tm_T> ikonia: didn't relogin clear last one?
[17:53] <ikonia> I don't know
[17:53] <ikonia> I can try
[17:54] <ikonia> re-logged in to try
[17:54] <ikonia> certainly wouldn't hurt for someone with ubottu access to clear the session log
[17:54] <ikonia> my fault, my hands are up in the air with apologies
[17:59] <Myrtti> imo it wouldn't be bad idea if it would require openid login...
[18:00] <Myrtti> or something
[18:00] <Myrtti> but this is again one of those suggestions that it's easy to make since I can't code it myself
[18:00] <ikonia> Myrtti: let me know when you've wrote the module
[18:00] <Myrtti> ikonia: ^
[18:00] <Myrtti> :-(
[18:00] <ikonia> I know
[18:08] <Pici> I'm not sure if the python-cgi based page is powerful enough to support openid without making drastic changes
[18:09] <Pici> I think we should make the move off of sqlite, or else we'll end up having the same problem
[18:10] <Myrtti> if it would have openid support then it would be possible to login to that darn thing when you have no irc
[18:10] <Myrtti> which would be nice
[18:13] <ikonia> Pici: I spoke to jussi about that at the weekend I'd been doing work to do a test port to mysql 
[18:14] <Pici> I did it once before, I dont think I have that code anymore though
[18:14] <ikonia> Pici: you can verify my code then :)
[18:15] <ikonia> Pici: never speak before thinking - you offered your services by default
[18:15] <ikonia> ;)
[18:17] <Myrtti> meh.
[18:27] <ikonia> hello another_guy 
[18:27] <Pici> another_guy: How can we help you today?
[18:28] <ikonia> @bansearch another_guy 
[18:29] <another_guy> well, I'm here to ask for my username to be un-banned
[18:29] <another_guy> balzac
[18:29] <Pici> another_guy: From what channel?
[18:29] <another_guy> ubuntu and ubuntu-offtopic
[18:30] <another_guy> and here as well, why not?
[18:30] <another_guy> I'm not such a bad guy
[18:30] <another_guy> just a teeny bit less sensitive than most
[18:30] <Pici> One moment.
[18:31] <another_guy> thanks
[18:33] <ikonia> another_guy: if you know you are banned from ubuntu  why are you ban dodging in there now
[18:33] <Pici> I don't see any bans for you.
[18:34] <another_guy> how else would i get back in? Plus i upgraded to jaunty jackelope and i needed a bit of advice
[18:34] <jussi01> @bansearch balzac
[18:34] <jussi01> Pici: ^
[18:34] <Pici> jussi01: I have a pending bug report for that, its matching @marks
[18:36] <Pici> another_guy: Why should we unban you? 
[18:37] <Pici> Seeing as how you've knowlingly evaded a ban that we set...
[18:37] <another_guy> well, because it's good not too be too strict or testy when you're the ops
[18:38] <another_guy> also, it's good to be open-minded to critics
[18:38] <another_guy> especially friendly critics
[18:38] <Seeker`> another_guy: it would be nice if you obeyed the rules too
[18:40] <another_guy> ok, but it should really be about when someone is committed to not obeying the rules. you have discretion to tolerate rule-breaking and you should, until you know it's done in bad faith, or it's really a problem.
[18:40] <ikonia> you've just said you dodged a ban on purpose, how is that good faith ?
[18:40] <another_guy> I think it's a little bit more efficient and impersonal than it needs to be right now.
[18:40] <another_guy> so I break rules a little bit, not a lot.
[18:41] <ikonia> another_guy: instead of telling us the rules, start following them please. 
[18:41] <another_guy> ikonia: because, nobody really has ultimate power. we choose to comply.
[18:41] <Seeker`> it is tolerated to an extent; People are given warnings and given an opportunity to change their behaviour
[18:41] <another_guy> anybody can get another nick and evade bans. we all know that.
[18:41] <another_guy> but here I am, asking to be let in.
[18:41] <Seeker`> if they still don't comply, they get banned
[18:41] <ikonia> another_guy: no - you got in anyway
[18:42] <ikonia> another_guy: no-one said anything about ultimate power, just respect the rules of the channels you're in and you won't have a problem
[18:42] <another_guy> well, i need to get back to work
[18:42] <ikonia> it's that simple
[18:42] <ikonia> another_guy: ok - bye
[18:43] <another_guy> i'll stick around if you don't mind
[18:43] <another_guy> I just have to get back to work
[18:43] <Seeker`> another_guy: please don't idle in this channel
[18:43] <another_guy> please unban me before I go
[18:43] <Pici> I don't think that will be happening.
[18:43] <Seeker`> no
[18:44] <another_guy> ok. can you tell me if this channel is logged and where I can get access to logs?
[18:44] <Pici> !logs
[18:44] <another_guy> I'll have to re-read our conversation yesterday before I can decide.
[18:44] <Pici> And yes.
[18:44] <another_guy> thanks
[18:44] <Seeker`> before you decide what?
[18:44] <Pici> Decide what?
[18:45] <another_guy> that's for #ubuntu-ops
[18:45] <another_guy> well, I need to look at it to see if I'm right 
[18:45] <Seeker`> right about what?
[18:45] <another_guy> I don't think I'm beyond reproach, so I want to mull it over
[18:45] <another_guy> about what I said yesterday
[18:45] <Seeker`> what aspect of what you said yesterday?
[18:45] <another_guy> I won't know until I read it again
[18:46] <another_guy> alright, ttyl
[18:48] <Pici> @mark another_guy balzac
[18:57] <ikonia> there is a good chance that balzac is "curtis" with a new nick, he's started pm'ing me saying "do you know me" and asking a few questions that are similar to the user curtis
[18:57] <ikonia> maybe not - he's using irsii, not curtis
[18:58] <ikonia> did I ? /last ikonia
[19:14] <ikonia> is there a password projeted pastebin that you know of
[19:14] <ikonia> I know elky uses one
[19:16] <nalioth> ikonia: pastebin.ca
[19:17] <ikonia> nalioth: ooh really, I missed the option then
[19:17] <ikonia> thanks
[19:20] <ikonia> http://www.pastebin.ca/Bbag9Dy3
[19:20] <ikonia> so that you aware of the follow on 
[19:44] <Pici> fyi, for people asking about connecting to ICQ with Pidgin: bug 340075
[20:19] <Seeker`> someone needs a better connection
[20:23] <jussi01> nalioth: Pricey around?
[20:24] <jussi01> could you do something about ^ again?
[20:34] <jussi01> :)
[22:03] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[22:40] <Myrtti> am I being thick or blind
[22:40] <Myrtti> but I can't see *WHO* did it
[22:44] <Myrtti> woo, look at that
[22:44] <Myrtti> it didn't print at all with my irssi
[22:46] <LjL> Myrtti: wha, irssi filters out your exploits?
[22:46] <LjL> isn't it trying to get a bit *too* smart now? :P
[22:46] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[22:46] <Myrtti> [00:27] ~~~p-master [n=p-master@ip68-4-36-146.pv.oc.cox.net] has joined  #ubuntu
[22:46] <Myrtti> [00:27]  * p-master says Ubuntu is the worst distro.
[22:46] <Myrtti> [00:27] ~~~p-master [n=p-master@ip68-4-36-146.pv.oc.cox.net] has quit  [Remote closed the connection]
[22:46] <Myrtti> that's what I get with lastlog
[22:47] <Myrtti> AHHA
[22:47] <Myrtti> it's in the statuswindow
[22:47] <Myrtti> nevermind
[22:47] <Myrtti> I'm blind
[22:47]  * Myrtti goes back to work
[22:47] <LjL> Myrtti: have some carrots
[22:47] <Myrtti> I'm just tired
[22:47] <Myrtti> that's all
[22:47] <LjL> then have some coffee
[22:47] <LjL> or maybe not
[22:49] <LjL> i feel caffeinated myself today even though i'm not
[22:49] <nickrud> work at midnight is crazed
[22:49] <LjL> developed a roll of film, perhaps that's the tension of it all
[22:49] <Myrtti> nickrud: well this was supposed to be done by Christmas
[22:49] <nickrud> resulting in crazy behavior (see author for perfect example)
[22:50] <nickrud> well if it's this late late night work won't make it ready for Christmas
[22:51] <LjL> perhaps next christmas
[22:51] <Myrtti> but it will make it ready for tomorrow or perhaps at latest monday
[22:51] <Myrtti> which is when I'll be FLYING!
[22:51] <nickrud> and screw with tomorrow. 'Trust Me', it's a never ending downward spiral. 
[22:52] <LjL> yeah, and then we'll have to put up with you being all nervous and irritable because you haven't slept
[22:52] <LjL> you don't think of us, you!
[22:52] <nickrud> what's with this english attraction? All the good speakers were English I think
[22:52] <nickrud> *at scale
[22:53] <Myrtti> nickrud: love
[22:53] <nickrud> ah, that explains everything. Good on you!
[22:54] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3328510787/ :-)
[22:55] <nickrud> let me quess, his time zone on the small clock? ;)
[22:55] <Myrtti> very much so :-)
[22:56] <Myrtti> and the countdown is currently 7d EXACT
[22:56] <Myrtti> wowee
[22:56] <nickrud> love is so cute :)
[22:56] <Myrtti> oh, not yet actually
[22:56]  * nickrud takes his curmudgeonly self off before he gets in trouble 
[22:56] <Myrtti> 7d, 53min
[23:07] <dronix|help> hello. I'm having difficulties joining the ubuntu channel, I've tried the steps from #ubuntu-read-topic channel
[23:11] <dronix> I got fixed. thank you
[23:12]  * LjL wonders which part of "are you using your usual nickname?" doesn't hint boldly enough to the fact that you should be using your nickname for the test...
[23:13] <nickrud> hints are for geeks; direct verbal confrontation is better for instructions
[23:14] <LjL> nickrud: i have to admit that it's a bit wicked - the bot asks you to change to your usual nickname, but when you're in -read-topic you *cannot* change your nickname to begin with... (+m)
[23:15] <nickrud> ah, that might be worth mentioning
[23:15] <LjL> nickrud: well, freenode does automatically tell you "Cannot send to channel, so cannot change nicknames"
[23:16] <LjL> nickrud: though i do wonder why you think you should be changing your nickname from what you were using a minute before - before you were exploited - in the first place
[23:16] <nickrud> "If you're using a nickname other than what you were using in #ubuntu, you'll have to leave this channel and change your nickname to that". Don't expect them to think, many don't have the background to think correctly about irc yet
[23:17] <nickrud> or whatever the right instructions would be.
[23:17] <LjL> nickrud: well in any case there's instructions on how to join this channel if they aren't sure what to do
[23:18] <LjL> which he did, after all
[23:18] <nickrud> yep.
[23:19] <LjL> nickrud: specifically it says, "dronix|help: Sorry, but I am unable to test you (are you using your usual nickname?). Please contact the operators (type « /topic » to find out how)."
[23:19] <LjL> the topic being "Your router is buggy 1) Please follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to FIX it (yes, it can be fixed) 2) after carrying out those instructions please type « test me » and wait few minutes | if this fails, type « /join #ubuntu-ops » to be tested manually"
[23:20] <nickrud> s/usual nickname/nickname you were using when exploited/ ?
[23:21] <LjL> nickrud: i could consider that i suppose. for that matter, i think i could also do something to add a hint like "perhaps your nickname was xyz?"
[23:21] <nickrud> that address one point, I"m sure you've seen many other misinterpretations/evidence of brain death
[23:21] <LjL> nickrud: also, you'd be amazed how many people actually type << test me >> trying to replicate the guillemots.
[23:21] <LjL> though the bots can parse that anyway
[23:22] <nickrud> ah, that's what they're called, guillemots. 
[23:23] <LjL> nickrud: i guess you could just call them french quotes too
[23:23] <LjL> nickrud: or freedom quotes :P
[23:23] <nickrud> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[23:23] <nickrud> I'm not nalioth, I'm pro socialism ;)
[23:24] <LjL> nickrud: heck you could call them italian quotes if you like, we use them too
[23:24] <LjL> (although they aren't on the keyboard, but then neither is È, and we use that)
[23:24] <nickrud> euro-trash characters?
[23:25] <LjL> nickrud: just accents. we have all of à, è, é, ì, ò, ó, ù (although most people can't give a damn about the difference between è/é and ò/ó)
[23:26] <LjL> nickrud: thing is, the verb "is" is "è" in italian. and it's often used at the beginning of a sentence.
[23:26] <LjL> nickrud: so in practice, you can't type an italian sentence starting with "is" on an *italian* keyboard.
[23:26] <nickrud> rflol
[23:27] <nickrud> That is freaking hilarious, it really is. 
[23:27] <LjL> nickrud: most people just type E'
[23:27] <LjL> nickrud: Word auto-corrects that into È
[23:27] <LjL> nickrud: the italian uncyclopedia has an article about it
[23:28] <LjL> nickrud: it starts with repeating a dozen of times the sentence "Just type Alt+0200"
[23:28] <nickrud> keyboards driving the language. That is just stupid
[23:28] <LjL> nickrud: you mean stupid like the Microsoft grammar checker setting grammar standards?
[23:29] <nickrud> yep. I ignore those squiggly green things.
[23:29] <LjL> nickrud: you do know there is no such thing as a passive verbform in neither italian or english?
[23:29] <nickrud> lies, all lies
[23:29] <LjL> nickrud: uh, you sound a bit uneducated. why would you repeat the same word "lies" twice in the same phrase? use a synonym.
[23:29] <LjL> nickrud: like microsoft.
[23:30] <nickrud> EMPhasis is legal, F##K ms geeks. They can't write for S##T. See, I can curse also
[23:31] <LjL> nickrud: anyway i use a swedish keyboard layout. not only does it allow me to type swedish, but it also lets me type any italian sentence, unlike the italian keyboard.
[23:31] <LjL> nickrud: i can SHOUT with accents. i mean, that's important.
[23:32] <LjL> CIAO A TUTTI, È VERO CHE UBUNTU FA SCHIFO?????!!!!!
[23:32] <Seeker`> I use a british layout as it is the only sensible one :P
[23:32] <LjL> Seeker`: pfff
[23:32] <nickrud> anything with the Euro is pansy anyway
[23:32] <LjL> Seeker`: and english is the only sensible language, and the continent doesn't really exist, and you'll sneak out one night and cut the tunnel in half.
[23:33]  * nickrud wonders if LjL is channeling an english Rush
[23:33] <LjL> nickrud: at least anything with the Euro isn't entirely devoid of economical value - unlike the pound or the dollar.
[23:33] <Seeker`> LjL: what continent?
[23:33] <LjL> not to mention the icelandic krona.
[23:33] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm not really sure tbh.
[23:34] <nickrud> gah, it's close to quitting time, got to close out the day. 
[23:34] <Nafallo> LjL: ehrm
[23:34] <LjL> Nafallo: yes?
[23:34] <LjL> Nafallo: i said icelandic :)
[23:34] <nickrud> Eurasia. This breaking at the Urals is foolish. There's N/S America, Australia, Antarctica, Eurasia, Africa, and England
[23:34] <Nafallo> króna :-P
[23:34] <Nafallo> didn't know they've stolen words!
[23:35] <LjL> nickrud: oh right, America is two separate continents, N and S, but Eurasia is one
[23:35] <Nafallo> bastards.
[23:35] <LjL> Nafallo: says the one who writes swedish without accents
[23:35] <LjL> to the enormous pissing off of, for instance, myself
[23:35] <Nafallo> LjL: yea. just didn't know about ISK :-)
[23:36] <LjL> Nafallo: stolen words, please... you all call it a krona, iceland sweden norway and menzaland
[23:36] <nickrud> LjL, a point now that the suez exists
[23:36] <Nafallo> menzaland? :-)
[23:36] <LjL> Nafallo: besides, it's just a "crown", it really doesn't sound like you scandies had much imagination on currency names
[23:36] <Nafallo> denmark?
[23:36] <LjL> Nafallo: oh, yes i guess i meant denmark.
[23:37] <LjL> nickrud: ok, so Eurasia it is. at least you'll find it harder to say "eurasiatrash"
[23:37] <LjL> nickrud: when we're talking about america on the other hand, we just say "trash". you know, a bit like we call Dante "the poet".
[23:37] <nickrud> ljl, I'd never say that about europeans, just the funny looking letters some use
[23:38] <LjL> nickrud: wħåt fúņņý ł€tt€rß?
[23:38] <nickrud> I think I'd through Shakespeare as The Poet. At least he's still read outside of academia ;)
[23:38] <nickrud> s/through/throw/
[23:39] <LjL> nickrud: every country has its own "the Poet" i'd guess.
[23:39] <nickrud> yep.
[23:39] <LjL> nickrud: also, i can assure you that virtually every italian has read Dante.
[23:39] <nickrud> except america, I think.
[23:39] <LjL> nickrud: not that they wanted to, they just had to.
[23:39] <nickrud> As have I (read Dante, and outside of class :)
[23:40] <LjL> nickrud: still, at least it's WAY more found than The Betrothed (the other "obligatory" italian classic for italians)
[23:40] <LjL> s/found/fun/
[23:40] <nickrud> Whitman, maybe but he's a little gay for many yet
[23:43] <LjL> Nafallo: although i guess perhaps menzaland calls it krone anyway
[23:44] <LjL> Nafallo: in practice something more resembling "ccchrrrrünnng" in sound.
[23:44] <Nafallo> hahaha!
[23:45] <LjL> they like to clear their throats, probably took it from their neighbors the dutch.
[23:45] <LjL> whose reason for clearing their throats is pretty clear - you know, smoke being bad for your health.
[23:45] <LjL> (which country have i not insulted yet? i've forgot to keep a list)
[23:46] <Nafallo> LjL: india
[23:46] <LjL> Nafallo: no wait, i meant countries deserving to be insulted
[23:47] <LjL> italy i have not insulted, but then again saying that the italian keyboard doesn't have italian letters imho speaks for itself
[23:47] <Nafallo> :-)
[23:50] <nickrud> Germany?
[23:50] <nickrud> and no one ever seems to insult Andorra
[23:52] <LjL> nickrud: Ach, yes, you are very correctly right, I have completely and inexcusably forgot to properly and accurately describe and insult Germany. Such Deed is really unjustifiable from my person.
[23:52] <LjL> nickrud: Andorra? they had a nice punk song at Eurovision. can't really insult them.
[23:53] <nickrud> oh, the dryness of your wit LjL :)
[23:53] <nickrud> gotta go, see you later
[23:53] <LjL> bye
[23:56] <LjL> now, let's talk about mandolins. and pizza, who wants some pizza?
[23:56] <LjL> jrib: YOU USE THE GUILLEMOTS TOO!
[23:57] <LjL> dirty ripoff.
[23:58] <jrib> I'll change them to smilies
[23:58] <LjL> you have to excuse me today, i think i'm high on natural insanity.
[23:58] <LjL> wait, did i say today?
[23:58] <jrib> I believe so, yes
[23:58] <jrib> I'm going to go have some authentic italian food for dinner
[23:58] <jrib> from lilly's gourmet pasta
[23:58] <Myrtti> pizza? where's pizza?
[23:58] <jrib> I've never seen lilly though
[23:58] <LjL> jrib: spagetti bolognAIse with ketch-up?
[23:59] <jrib> yes~!
[23:59] <LjL> actually the very best pasta i ever ate was... in greece
[23:59] <LjL> although it might have been just my imagination, as i was so desperate for food i liked.
[23:59] <LjL> but no, not really, i had another pasta the previous day and it was awful