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[12:09] <h\h> hi
[12:15] <Keybuk> hi
[12:15] <Keybuk> how goes it harald?
[12:19] <h\h> yes
[12:19] <h\h> s/yes/fine, thanks/ 
[12:19] <h\h> :)
[12:19] <h\h> Hey Keybuk, what is upstart 1.0 doing? :)
[12:20] <Keybuk> "what is" or "how is" ?
[12:20] <h\h> "how is"
[12:21] <Keybuk> mostly pinned down what I want to do
[12:21] <h\h> sry for my bad english :)
[12:21] <Keybuk> been doing some ground work and playing around really so far
[12:21] <Keybuk> not going to start coding in earnest for a few weeks yet
[12:21] <Keybuk> we're still in pre-beta, and I've still got a pile of boot speed related patches to do, as well as new m-i-t etc.
[12:22] <h\h> " boot speed related patches"
[12:22] <h\h> what are you going to do?
[12:24] <Keybuk> that's a long list ;)
[12:24] <Keybuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/BootPerformance
[12:25] <h\h>  Investigate why udevadm is taking too long, and improve where possible
[12:25] <h\h> 	
[12:25] <h\h> Done 
[12:25] <h\h> what was it? module loading?
[12:25] <Keybuk> partially
[12:25] <Keybuk> other fixes Alan did for udev to use pselect and so on have helped too
[12:26] <h\h> upstream patches?
[12:28] <h\h> or can you point me to a patch?
[12:31] <Keybuk> it's all in 139
[12:32] <h\h> ah, fine
[12:34] <h\h> are you starting dbus, hal from upstart now?
[12:34] <Keybuk> not yet, no
[13:06] <keesj> http://fosdem.unixheads.org/2009/maintracks/upstart.xvid.avi 
[13:08] <keesj> (upstart talk at fosdem)
[13:14]  * Keybuk doesn't remember them asking for permission to video me ;)
[13:18] <sadmac> win 21
[13:18] <sadmac> shit, its too early
[13:22] <Jc2k> :) i do that twice a day  sadmac :( :(
[16:32] <MarcWeber> The event based model is fine. However does init also provide some notion of state?
[16:33] <MarcWeber> Example: there is one job setting up network. So many jobs will start on started network.
[16:34] <MarcWeber> Now the os wants to install a new daemon which should only be started if network has been started as well.
[16:34] <MarcWeber> So is the way to start this daemon only if initctl status network = running ?
[16:37] <MarcWeber> Or does upstart start this daemon itself when recognizing there is a new job file depending "on started network"?
[17:31] <sadmac2> MarcWeber: the next version will have this stuff.
[17:32] <MarcWeber> Ah thank you for this information.
[18:23] <MarcWeber> Which is the correct way to shutdown a system?
[18:24] <MarcWeber> for job in `initctl list`; do stop $job; done then sync and halt -f -p ?
[18:24] <ion_> Pull the power cord.
[18:24] <MarcWeber> ion_: Can't, its a vserver :)
[18:24] <ion_> Pull the power cord of the physical box it’s running on. :-)
[19:11]  * ion_ watches upstart.xvid.avi
[19:14] <keesj> is the sound ok?
[19:29] <ion_> Yeah
[22:46] <sadmac> Keybuk: your plumbing layer looks like a blue hamburger
[22:50] <damjan> Where can I fing a detailed reference of what can a job file contain?
[22:53] <sadmac> Keybuk: also we had upstart in F9 ;)
[23:02] <damjan> Keybuk: wow, you had some bad luck with git :)
[23:03] <damjan> Dunno, I don't consider me as even a programmer, but  I find git easier than you experience. And better than darcs (the first DVCS I used), and mercurial (the second)
[23:04] <damjan> better, because although mercurial and darcs were easy to understand, while git only a bit harder, with git I could more easily get myself out of stupid situations I've put myself in