[00:01] that helps [00:01] thanks [00:29] Dab202, also take a look at the unetbootin to make bootable usb drive : http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ , can make usb bootable drives out of already-existing .iso`s [00:38] TheSheep: you suggested that i get ubufox to fix some download preferences, i lookd for it in synaptic and its showing that its already installed... i noticed there were firefox updates in the last couple days, could this be a bug associated with the updates? [00:39] TheSheep: instead of offering to 'open with application', firefox only wants to offer me to save files [00:49] after upgrading to 8.10, my xubuntu boot gets stuck on "* Starting basic networking..." QUITE frequently, I have to reboot 5 or 6 times to get it to fully boot. [01:13] up to rebooting 11 times now. [01:15] CppIsWeird: weird [01:16] #ubuntu-server === sancas_ is now known as sancas [01:24] zChris__: yeah, i pretty much figured that out on my own (15) [01:25] CppIsWeird: its really weird [01:25] CppIsWeird: checked the logs ? [01:25] cant get that far [01:25] hmm [01:25] no safemode for linux ? [01:25] DHCP? [01:26] cant get that far. [01:26] ? [01:26] oh, thats in grub, nvm [01:26] :D [01:27] CppIsWeird: How is your network setup ? [01:27] the network cable is unplugged even [01:27] CppIsWeird: isit set on DHCP? [01:28] yes [01:28] tried booting it when its plugged in so it can retrieve a ip ? [01:29] yes, it started out plugged in... ive unplugged it as an attempt to fix it. [01:30] hmm it dosent reboot automaticly, you get tired and reboot it right ? [01:30] yep [01:31] CppIsWeird: how long have you waited? [01:31] ive left it for like 20 minutes once, still nothing [01:31] ah oeky [01:32] CppIsWeird: do you use grub ? [02:06] Hi ! [02:07] Running xfce for the 1st time [02:07] and doing so on a persistent usb key [02:07] anyway... [02:07] since I m using xubuntu on a netbook which has a low vertical resolution [02:08] I did move the menu bar located on the bottom of the screen to the left of the screen [02:08] and something just acts strangely compared to the default Gnome behaviour (well at a later stage this produces bugs but that's a different story) : [02:09] the later cliked on bar goes over the other one [02:10] as in gnome the (new in that position) left bar wouldn' take the space where the upper bar is located [02:10] shrinking in a way [02:10] I hope I'm clear enough to be understood :/ [02:12] so you're trying to move the menu bars around, where usually there is one on the top and another at the bottom? [02:12] exactly [02:12] trying to move the bottom one to the left [02:12] okay. and then the other (the top) decides to cover it [02:12] it actually works, except that both bars share the same upper left space [02:12] oooh [02:12] so theyre overlapping [02:13] (and when the upper bar covers the left bar, it also hides some icons) [02:13] yep [02:13] i see [02:13] i just tried it out on my desktop [02:13] I m really a newbie :) [02:14] i also tried making one of the menu bars variable length to see if i could adjust it to the point where it doesnt cover... [02:14] no such luck [02:14] no problem! [02:14] under XP I used to have the bar on the left too [02:14] and well when I first tried gnome [02:14] I did the same [02:14] the overlapping trouble doesn't occur [02:14] BUT [02:14] moving the lower bar to the side [02:14] produces hanging and freezes randomly [02:14] hence I m trying xfce :) [02:14] and well [02:14] ooh really? hmm [02:15] it s tempting [02:15] I must confess ^^ [02:15] I also should add that I m running jaunty alpha 5 [02:15] oh i see [02:15] (since Ibex doesn't work out of the box on my netbook) [02:15] im running GNOME and Xfce on Ubuntu 8.10 [02:15] what netbook do you have? [02:15] Samsung NC10 [02:16] oh cool. ive got eeeXubuntu running on my Asus Eee 701 [02:16] its Xubuntu 7.10 basically. haha [02:16] frankly I really like my netbbok [02:16] the keybvoard is very nice [02:16] the touchpad is somewhat little but there's a cool feature under XP that makes it up for it [02:17] oh yeah? is it closer to full-size than the other netbooks? most people find my Eee's keyboard too small to type on. its fine for me [02:17] (I don't think such a thing does exist yet for linux) [02:17] yep [02:17] how does it fix that? [02:17] 10 inch screen [02:17] nice [02:17] and the keyboard is really usable [02:17] ive got the "old" 7in screen haha [02:17] well it kind of "emulates" a trackball behaviour [02:17] so your finger movements have inertia [02:18] hmm i think thats called acceleration when you set that up. im not sure though [02:18] nope :) [02:18] that s something different ;) [02:18] ohh. not the slightest clue then haha [02:18] it s really inertia [02:18] acceleration allows you to cover a larger portion of the screen [02:18] would you move the finger fast [02:18] so the cursor continues on relative to the force you use? [02:18] exactly [02:18] hmm neat [02:19] I think so [02:19] a cool idea by samsung really [02:19] but well [02:19] yeah ive never thought of that [02:19] they are releasing a new version of the netbook [02:19] with a larger touchpad :) [02:19] in the end the only limitation of that computer [02:19] is it s screen resolution... [02:19] as for most netbooks :) [02:19] 600 vertical pixels [02:19] yes true [02:19] ooooh [02:20] that is sometimes limitating [02:20] yeah my Eee has 800x480 i believe [02:20] (that s also why I want to move bars around ^^) [02:20] 1024 x 600 here [02:20] I think I could do with 1 more inch [02:20] to reach 1200 x 800 [02:20] but still [02:20] true [02:20] I m VERY pleased with my netbook [02:21] ive been trying different things with the toolbars and cant seem to fix that overlap [02:21] of course with its resolution it can only be a second comp' [02:21] thats good, mine really comes in handy to take with me to class [02:21] hehe same thing here, I throw it in a bag [02:21] typing with 10 fingers on the keyboard was a must for me [02:21] yup. smaller than most of my books [02:21] yeahh [02:22] i do have a tiny keyboard but i got used to it right away and now im back up to speed by now [02:22] even the WIND (with a 9 inch screen) keyboard was not confy enough for my big fingers :) [02:22] and my bad habits [02:22] ive yet to try the WIND [02:22] well rather try the sammy ;) [02:22] the battery lifetime is also quite good [02:22] whatever HP is selling seemed awkward to me... extremely awkward [02:22] oh yeah? [02:22] yep [02:23] more than 4 hours without doing anything to save power [02:23] ive got the camera off in the BIOS and i get about 3 hours i guess [02:23] nice [02:23] you can beath the 5h barrier using tricks [02:23] thats enough to get through a day of class [02:23] you should definitely hunt for some reviews :) [02:23] and btw [02:24] definitely [02:24] I m not a Samsung salesman :) [02:24] haha [02:24] no worries [02:24] ive sold so many Eee's in the past year, Asus owes me commission. i just... talk about it [02:24] so about that behaviour [02:24] but i guess people love the idea in general [02:24] do you thing it should be reported ? [02:24] yeahh im not finding a work around [02:24] *think [02:24] id see it more as an oversight in the way it should function than a bug [02:25] gnome does behave differently [02:25] as far as Xfce is concerned [02:25] and rightfully in my eyes I m afraid to say [02:25] (but since it kind of crashes the system, you can guess why I don't want to use it ^^ ) [02:26] yeahhh. after a big RAM upgrade i went back to using GNOME on my desktop. if it can handle it all comfortable, of course i use that. but i use Xfce on the tiny netbook and again on the desktop to help with testing [02:26] im with you on the crashing [02:26] I guess moving the bars to sides will gain in popularity with netbooks [02:26] you try every trick possible to save vertical space :) [02:26] oh i know about that. haha [02:27] no status bars, small icons in all apps [02:27] one menu bar [02:27] you know you can reduce it to one right? [02:27] hmmm [02:27] my tiny Eee is set up like that [02:27] you mean to using only one bar ? [02:28] Application menu all the way to the left, a few launcher icons, my task list (programs) and far right i have the clock and systray [02:28] yes [02:28] its plenty of space on that tiny screen [02:28] well I didn't know [02:28] and what about moving the icons in the left bar ? [02:28] so none would be masked by overlapping [02:29] not a very clean solution, but one I could live with ^^ [02:29] you could add a Separator/Spacing on the left bar before the icons to push them down, but they seem to go down too far... [02:30] I tried KDE some weeks ago, definitely too confusing for me :) [02:30] hmm [02:31] well then I might try your solution [02:31] yeahh not personally a fan of KDE [02:31] how do you move the icons from the "left" bar to the upper ones ? [02:31] also, try the toolbar as "Normal Width" instead of Full Width [02:31] (provided you can do so) [02:31] so you want them on a single toolbar? [02:31] yep [02:31] btw just a quick point [02:32] ohh, just RightClick > Move to the other toolbar in place [02:32] under windows I use the starting bar on the left [02:32] mhm [02:32] since it enables to have more app windows [02:32] to be seen at the same time [02:32] so it s way quicker to change the active window [02:32] since all of them can be seen on the bar [02:32] yeahhh the Task List they call it in Xfce [02:33] you can place that on the right side of you Applications menu [02:33] or, if you have icons such as Firefox etc next to the Applications menu, place your Task List (open applications list) just to the right of those [02:34] well [02:34] following your advice [02:34] suppose you move everything to the top MenuBar. youll need to know theres a Spacer up there keeping your menu and your clock apart. right click the empty space and remove the separator/spacing [02:34] I moved all icons from the original bottom bar to the upper one [02:34] the TaskList will provide the separation [02:34] something go wrong? [02:34] I wonder if there s any use having the trashbin handy I must confess :) [02:35] ohh. you can remove that and use the one on the desktop [02:35] so far so good [02:35] trying to remove the now empty bar :) [02:35] i believe the Trash applet (menu bar) uses system resources [02:36] found it [02:36] just press minus [02:36] in some configuring menu :) [02:36] to remove the panel? yup [02:36] now trying to move the remaining bar to the side [02:36] just one left [02:37] ? [02:37] yep [02:37] hmm [02:37] looks akward [02:37] some icons are too big [02:37] the text running sideways and all that [02:37] ohh [02:38] you can adjust the panel size, that may help [02:39] hmm [02:39] the larger the bar is [02:39] the more vertical space icons use [02:39] (since they grow bigger ) [02:39] right [02:40] anyone here have a PS3 [02:40] ? [02:40] nope Brad450 but you can send yours to me ;-) [02:40] ive tried it out by making the one toolbar on the leftside, and making it "Normal Width." it seems decent [02:41] btw Derek_S, does your Applications menu say "Applications" after the icon? [02:41] well [02:41] it says [02:41] Appli :) [02:41] haha [02:41] but that s ok with me :) [02:41] right click that menu === sinister- is now known as Sinister [02:42] well that does offer some tunings [02:43] but I don't know which one would help :) [02:43] untick the box that says show name or something to that effect [02:43] you can make it show only the icon and save some space [02:43] ah right [02:43] actually it would be nice to have the icons in a smaller size [02:43] how can i install a kernal update. will it make things run faster. iam on a PS3 so its s little hard lol and what exactly is "compileing" [02:44] forcing them to be says 32x32 or any figure that would work [02:44] wow Brad450 you're my hero :) [02:44] I didn't know you could run xubuntu with a ps3 [02:45] yeahh you can run Linux on quite a lot of devices [02:45] with a little extra effort [02:45] (trying to reduce those icons, such as the bluetooth one) [02:45] even Nintendo DS devices, I've got Linux on my Palm T|X [02:45] lol [02:46] so you want the panel size to remain the size it is, but reduce the size of the icons? [02:46] well I m not sure it s very handy but it s a nice challenge [02:46] exactly [02:46] right, its mostly for fun [02:46] I picked a 40 pixels width for now [02:46] (32 would have been my 1st choice but well it might be too little) [02:47] and I ve got 5 icons eating the half of the height [02:47] wheres charlie_tca or zoredache [02:47] wow [02:47] and they are? [02:47] trashbin, show desktop, bluetooth, wireless connection, xchat, sound [02:47] ok that s 7 [02:47] STILL ;) [02:48] and how many vertical pixels do you have? [02:49] total ? 600 [02:49] I d like to have the default icons available even in tiny size [02:49] so I could see say 4 5 tasks [02:50] okay [02:50] I can't believe I m the first one to have such demands :) [02:51] it all seems logical to me :) [02:51] I'm running Xfce on my Eee right now and I see what you what you mean about it taking up all that space... [02:51] having the panel at 40 definitely ruins that haha [02:51] hehe [02:51] well yes, you would like the icons to stay as tiny [02:51] as they are with a smaller width [02:52] at 24 theyre pretty small [02:52] best would be to have two rows [02:52] so for instance [02:52] you d have a 48 pixels width [02:52] with 2 24 rows [02:53] I can understand it s not possible as of now, but I would definitely recommand the great guys developping would consider this evolution [02:53] well you might try two 24width panels then [02:53] as it s a matter of optimisation for us, netbook users :) [02:53] hehehe [02:53] mhm [02:53] good idea :) [02:53] i think theres a nice netbook interface you can get from the repositories [02:54] well I must admit I m kind of "racist" when it comes to specific interfaces :) [02:54] that s all prejudices [02:54] but I d rather adapt a universal solution [02:54] so I would think I could do everything [02:54] haha most users are that particular about desktop environments, i think youll find [02:55] rather than trying an already optimised netbook environnement that would not be working in specific situations [02:55] looks like the "two 24width panels" thing wont work [02:55] i know you can stack panels in GNOME [02:55] I propose [02:55] we would ransom some popular xubuntu developper [02:56] you know what, im having a problem right now, too. my App menu won't let me right click it to move it! at all. no right-click action. lol ill need to restart or log-out and back in perhaps... [02:56] and only let him go after we gain some support for our netbooks ;) [02:56] haha [02:56] well really the features you see in Xubuntu in relation to the desktop are inherited from Xfce [02:57] the desktop environment [02:57] it s always frustrating to consider that XP behaves better in a specific respect [02:57] Xubuntu is simply Ubuntu running Xfce instead [02:57] the bar behaviour on the side isn't perfect, but works very well most of the time [02:57] and little width isn't a problem [02:57] yeahhh [02:58] it "auto optimizes" quite well [02:58] I m not saying [02:58] you should install XP to check :) [02:58] tell me what you think about this setup: http://weblogs2.nrc.nl/hebben/wp-content/uploads/06_2008/ubuntu_netbook_remix_flickr_njpatel.jpg [02:58] ive used XP [02:58] i finally erased it recently since I don't have a need for it on my hard disk ;-) hehe [02:58] you lucky man [02:58] like most people I came from windows to linux [02:59] i wonder who out there was raised on Linux since they were a kid [02:59] I m trying to escape too [02:59] besides my future children [02:59] well some do start with ubuntu [02:59] for total newbies [02:59] it can work [02:59] think of grandmas [02:59] that want to do some surfing [02:59] emailing [02:59] and maybe some word processing [03:00] ubuntu might be simpler in the end [03:00] ohh. i guess everyone from my generation who has already started used win 3.1 or 95 or 98, 2000 and so on... at some point, and then MAYBE they discovered Linux [03:00] no worries with firewalls or antivirus [03:00] very few of my friends and classmates even know what Linux is. haha [03:01] it s still relatively geek/ for programmers [03:01] well with any installation i would definitely pay attention to configuring my firewall properly, especially if youre not behind a NAT Router/Firewall etc [03:01] but it is making huge progress [03:01] yeahhh its nice to see that [03:01] besides Microsoft does many things to boost linux :) [03:02] hehe [03:02] at some point you want to escape the limitations imposed by an editor [03:02] such as throwing your peripherals because you re chaging [03:02] OS [03:02] well i think a lot of people have been let down by Vista and they find that using a free alternative like Linux is a good idea in tougher economic times, as opposed to choosing a very expensive Macbook [03:02] yeahhh [03:02] (I remember I had that laser canon printer that wouldn't work with XP ) [03:03] (it worked fine with [03:03] I like having control with Linux. Every once in a while, I'd have a look at my XP install, and I'd feel suffocated. haha [03:03] 98 / 95 ) [03:03] ohh [03:03] well the trouble with xp also is that it "degenerates" [03:03] the more you use it, the less it s working :) [03:03] yup [03:04] and linux has some cool features [03:04] such as auto defragmenting [03:04] not to mention the automatisation you can work on using the command line [03:04] well the filesystems you might use on Linux will definitely be more resistant to the behavior that requires defrag (with Wins NTFS) [03:04] you know I m longing to find some evolution of current eeebox and equivalents [03:04] with esata ports [03:05] an HDMI port [03:05] and why not enough power to run a HD movie (that s not a must) [03:05] true [03:05] that would definitely push me in learning linux enough [03:05] to have my own web/file/ftp/mail server [03:05] its been a lot of fun learning Linux, for me. the most fun ive ever had in my life [03:06] the low consumming 24 hours a day running PC [03:06] don't say that! [03:06] haha say what? [03:06] I can't believe it :) [03:06] ohh [03:06] it might be cool :) [03:06] no really, its very rewarding for me [03:06] but the most fun ?! [03:06] eh [03:06] alright there are plenty of fun things for me to do [03:06] and a lot of them i can do outside, too. haha [03:07] I d say partying with friends learning how to get drunk when I was a teen [03:07] was more fun that linux could ever be ;) [03:07] but if i had to do one of my hobbies for a living... itd be with Linux [03:07] hey i had a few beers with my buddies while I set up their web/email server for their small business. haha [03:07] its all the experience you make of it [03:07] haha [03:08] sure it s the usage you can make of it [03:08] hosting your own website/Forum [03:08] and doing it for friends [03:08] the effort Linux might require isnt unique to Linux--many things require studying and practice. like martial arts. but once you reach a certain point of mastery it can be extremely rewarding. youll see! [03:08] (that would kill you would it go offline for more than 10 minutes :) ) [03:08] haha [03:09] well I ve some DOS experience [03:09] I also did play with regular expressions some years ago [03:09] I think I can feel linux's power :) [03:09] I think you'll find the command line in Linux is much more powerful [03:09] the more you learn, its more power to you [03:09] but it remains somewhat hard to get into standing from where I am :) [03:10] I mean [03:10] I want to learn [03:10] that s why I have a double boot on my netbook [03:10] but there remains some annoying bugs [03:10] yeahh. i dual-booted linux and windows for the longest time [03:10] hopefully jaunty will remove most of them [03:10]