[00:46]  * ScottK set if to navigate with hover, but totally gets why it's not default.
[06:14] <Riddell> ~twitter update airport lounges are really not worth it
[06:14] <kubotu> status updated
[09:08] <will-shand> hey guys
[09:10] <will-shand> anyone else got problems checking mail with KMail? im getting  "Source URL is malformed"
[09:27] <Tm_T> patience++ ?
[10:16] <yao_ziyuan> when booting kubuntu jaunty it says: mysqld can't start
[10:24] <Tm_T> yao_ziyuan: check its logs why it failed
[10:29] <ScottK> kde r933657
[10:29] <Riddell> good morning all
[10:30] <Riddell> did you miss me?
[10:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: I did, son
[10:30] <ScottK> kde svn r933657
[10:31] <ScottK> Isn't the bot supposed to know about those ...
[10:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes we missed you.
[10:32] <Riddell> ScottK: it should although it might be fussy about syntax
[10:32] <davmor2> Riddell: Morning how was you conf?
[10:33] <Riddell> it was great, we were treated like visiting dignatories, which we were
[10:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like we are in good shape for this week's Alpha.  All the Main uploads I know of got done before the freeze, all the main archs built, and the CDs fit.
[10:34] <Riddell> another alpha week already, they come around fast
[10:34] <ScottK> Yep.  Should be just the testing left to do though.
[10:34] <davmor2> Riddell: Tell me
[10:35] <davmor2> ScottK: did the fix for the panel get uploaded by the way?
[10:35] <ScottK> davmor2: No.  We didn't get it sorted before the freeze.
[10:36] <davmor2> :(
[10:36] <ScottK> I'm sure Riddell will make short work of it now that he's back.
[10:36]  * ScottK will be back in a couple of hours.
[10:39] <Lure> Riddell: we may want to fix bug 340210 for alpha if we do not want gnome on CD
[10:44] <Riddell> good idea
[11:01] <yao_ziyuan> Tm_T: where is the log?
[11:18] <Stecchino> Nightrose: have you asked about the podcast importing for amarok 2.0.2 already?
[11:18] <Nightrose> no
[11:20] <Stecchino> In Amarok 2.0.2 that you will ship with Jaunty there is no upgrade path for podcast subscriptions.
[11:20] <Stecchino> We can add this if you will accept a patch
[11:21] <Stecchino> since there will be no 1.4 (?) in Jaunty this will be the only opportunity
[11:28] <Riddell> hi Stecchino, yes we'd accept a patch
[11:28] <Riddell> Stecchino: although to me it's most important to be able to copy from podcasts to ipod which I havn't found a way to do in 2.0.1
[11:34] <ghostcube> guys is there anything new for this strange nvidia bug on amd 64 not adressing the ram corect oO
[11:35] <Tonio_> hi
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey :)
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: rgrenning reported k3b to work correctly for him...
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: how was your trip ?
[11:38] <Stecchino> Riddell: xevix and me are working on it but unfortunatly we are not there yet
[11:38] <Stecchino> seems like 2.2 at the earliest
[11:40] <Riddell> hi Tonio_, trip was great
[11:40] <Riddell> Stecchino: fairy nuff
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be nice that you have a look at k3b packaging when you have time for that...
[11:41] <smarter> hey Riddell, welcome back :)
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: also do you have some kind of presentation for kubuntu right now ? or should I write my own ? :)
[11:43] <Riddell> I have a very basic beginners one
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: well that would be a good start for me... would you mind sending this by email ? unless that's (c) canonical...
[12:36] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-kde/
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: see if that is any use
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks a lot
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 933657
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> related to bug 340280 maybe?
[12:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That's the one.
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> Btw, we'll probably have to remove kshowmail from the archives. It's been uninstallable since Intrepid apparently
[12:52] <JontheEchidna> bug 340379
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, Riddell: ^
[12:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Since it's Universe you can confirm that and subscribe ubuntu-archive.
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> Oh, you're right.
[12:57] <ScottK> It is unfixable unless it gets a KDE4 version, you're right.
[13:01]  * seele yawns
[13:01] <seele> ugh this daylight savings time
[13:04] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/3343430769/  regal splendour
[13:05] <seele> hah wow
[13:08] <Riddell> most of the conference was this me and Ade double act http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/3344264222/in/set-72157614991241443/
[13:09] <smarter> nice suit ;)
[13:12] <Nightrose> hehe awesome pictures
[13:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Very nice.
[13:19] <ruphy> Riddell: ping
[13:20] <Riddell> hi ruphy
[13:20] <ruphy> Riddell: hello :-) got my email?
[13:21] <Riddell> ruphy: no, I'm afraid the server with my e-mail blew up while I was away
[13:21] <Riddell> you'll need to resend
[13:22] <ruphy> Riddell: ah, ok!
[13:22] <ruphy> let me do it in a sec
[13:22] <Riddell> ruphy: and also I've been in Nigeria so I wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway :)
[13:23] <ruphy> eheh :)
[13:23] <ruphy> btw, you've escaped from #oxygen, haven't you? ;-)
[13:23] <Riddell> same server had my irssi in screen session
[13:24] <Riddell> so now I'm down to 17 IRC windows from about 170
[13:24] <ruphy> haaa
[13:24] <ruphy> ok =)
[13:24] <ruphy> yeah, sounds saner ;-)
[13:24] <ruphy> ok, sent
[13:25] <ruphy> Riddell: short summary is: i need CDs
[13:25] <Riddell> ScottK: dist upgrade tool is set to remove guidance-power-manager on upgrade (re comment sometime in last week from you)
[13:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Ah.  I think that's good.  I had remembered differently.
[13:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Then we should consider similar for knetworkmanager.
[13:26] <ruphy> which I now quantified in ~1000 (yes, it's a quite big exposition)
[13:27] <Riddell> ScottK: good point yes
[13:27] <Riddell> ruphy: ok, e-mail me with the exhibition and I'll forward that to the shipit dude
[13:28] <Riddell> ruphy: needs a postal address for delivery and e-mail and phone number
[13:28] <smarter> does the battery plasmoid has the same feature has gpm?
[13:29] <ruphy> Riddell: you can ship to me, you already have the data from october... or if you want I can send it again
[13:29] <Riddell> yes (too many features in my opinion)
[13:29] <Riddell> ruphy: send it again
[13:29] <smarter> oh, cool
[13:29] <ruphy> Riddell: ok
[13:29]  * smarter hasn't used it since the 4.0 days where it wasn't that much useful :)
[13:30]  * ScottK would mostly like for it to be smaller on the taskbar.
[13:30] <Riddell> the battery plasmoid should be in the systray and it needs intelligence about not showing on non-laptops
[13:30] <smarter> weren't plasmoid supposed to integrate seemlessly in the systray?
[13:30] <smarter> yes :)
[13:30] <Riddell> smarter: there's some support for that in 4.2 but I believe it's considered experimental
[13:31] <smarter> ok
[13:40] <Lure> ScottK: battery is just visually bigger than other on panel, as the battery is right alligned (to accomodate space for electricity strike)
[13:40] <Lure> ScottK: I would prefer in systray
[13:43] <Riddell> Lure: that takes coding and may not be possible with 4.2
[13:43] <Lure> Riddell: I thought so :-*
[13:44] <Lure> Riddell: it looks like nobody took care about laptop shortcuts in KDE4, right?
[13:44]  * Lure thinks he will have to do it again ;-)
[13:44] <Lure> s/shortcuts/buttons/
[13:48] <Riddell> Lure: some work, some don't
[13:51] <seele> d'oh, flickr spam
[13:51] <Riddell> seele: flickr spam?
[13:52] <seele> Riddell: i have most people's flickr rss subscribed to
[13:52] <seele> so i had a whole bunch of unread images from your recent upload
[13:52] <Riddell> that's not spam, that's high quality photography!
[13:53] <seele> lol.. but i saw them already!
[13:53] <Riddell> there's new ones now
[13:53] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/3343432777/in/set-72157614991241443/ group photo
[13:53] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/3344266642/in/set-72157614991241443/ we climed the biggest hill
[13:54] <ruphy> Riddell: mail sent, tell me if you need anything else... and thanks a lot! :)
[13:54] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/3343466115/in/set-72157614991241443/  slightly patronising look at how the locals live and work
[14:20] <rgreening> Tonio_: ping
[14:20] <rgreening> Tonio_: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libk3b6_1.0.5+kde4svn937675-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[14:20] <rgreening>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libk3b.so.6.0.0', which is also in package libk3b4
[14:21] <Riddell> rgreening: that'll be an old version of tonio's package, not anything in the archive, ok to force it
[14:22] <rgreening> Forcing fails. GOt to remove it all apparantly (k3b, libk3b4, libk3b4-extracodecs
[14:24] <rgreening> Tonio_: kdebase-kio-plugins is suggested but doesn't exist
[14:25] <rgreening> Tonio_: IT says mediamanager is the replacement
[14:26] <rgreening> Tonio_: but mediamanager requires kde3 libs...
[14:35] <kishore> rgreening: Was just curious to know if kexi-kde4 built fine and was it approved for upload?
[14:36] <rgreening> kishore: since it isn't being released as part of koffice2 at this time, no.
[14:36] <kishore> ok
[14:37] <kishore> but still the user does not have the option to install kexi (kde3) when koffice-kde4 is installed
[14:37] <kishore> rgreening: so should it not be atleast better than nothing?
[14:37] <kishore> as long as the package is marked experimental
[14:38] <rgreening> kishore: it's low on the priority list for now.
[14:38] <kishore> and not installed be default with koffice-kde4
[14:38] <kishore> rgreening: thats fair alright
[15:34] <claydoh_> critiques/corrections/additions welcome: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha6/Kubuntu
[15:48] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Just making sure, I sent you the patch for word selection in konsole?
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:52] <Quintasan> ok :)
[15:53] <Quintasan> omg I didn't know Kate has a Vi input mode :D
[16:14] <Quintasan> Who works on k3b?
[16:16] <Riddell> Tonio packages it
[16:17] <Quintasan> thanks, btw. could you try to launch it using the menu entry?
[17:11] <EagleScreen> I am testing Kubuntu jaunty, upgraded from intrepid, it looks fine :D
[17:19] <Quintasan> EagleScreen: could you tell me yours version of k3b?
[17:19] <EagleScreen> yes, it is some strange
[17:20] <Quintasan> EagleScreen: Can you run it using menu entry?
[17:20] <EagleScreen> it is 1.0.5+kde4svn935857+really1.0.5
[17:21] <EagleScreen> it has been launched well from kickoff menu, it is KDE3 version
[17:21] <Quintasan> hmm I'm having problems
[17:22] <Quintasan> Can't launch from menu, launching from konsole works fine
[17:22] <EagleScreen> did you check the menu run command?
[17:22] <Quintasan> also throwing some error file "file://home/quintasan doesnt exists
[17:22] <Quintasan> EagleScreen: yeah
[17:23] <Quintasan> last minute: "Wrong URL format file:///home/quintasan"
[17:24] <EagleScreen> Quintasan are you worried as developer or as normal user?
[17:24] <Quintasan> hmm, user I'd say :P
[17:24] <EagleScreen> you can use menu editor to fix the menu launcher
[17:24] <Quintasan> It didn't help
[17:26] <EagleScreen> see this one http://imagebin.ca/view/BbZn3RZC.html
[17:30] <Quintasan> EagleScreen: still nothing :P
[17:32] <EagleScreen> test removing
[17:32] <EagleScreen> / test remoing  from command field
[17:32] <EagleScreen> removing % U
[17:33] <Quintasan> EagleScreen: already tried, I also created a new *.desktop file but it didnt help
[17:33] <EagleScreen> strange
[17:34] <Quintasan> I'll guess purging will help
[17:36] <Quintasan> It didn't apparently
[17:36] <EagleScreen> tray it
[17:37] <EagleScreen> purge k3b, remove the menu entry
[17:37] <EagleScreen> and install it again
[17:37] <seele> Please specify the times you all will be available for the next Kubuntu meeting: http://doodle.com/dqxgz8hpg936dtf3
[17:38] <seele> agateau, JontheEchidna, Nightrose, nixternal, rgreening, Riddell, ryanakca, ScottK, seaLne, sebas: ^^
[17:39] <seele> Tonio_: ^^
[17:40] <ScottK> smarter: a|wen: rickspencer3: ^^^
[17:40] <Tonio_> seele: done ;)
[17:41]  * a|wen wonders why it have to be in the middle of the night
[17:42] <seele> 19:00-23:00 CET isn't the middle of the night?
[17:43] <ScottK> a|wen: Only because you have night at the wrong time of day.
[17:43] <a|wen> = 00:00-04:00 Bangkok time
[17:43] <seele> hehe
[17:43] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah... I've figured that my timezone is rather off ;)
[17:43]  * Tm_T really needs some income
[17:44] <ScottK> self induced I migh add (a|wen)
[17:44] <a|wen> hehe, true, true
[17:44] <a|wen> but done!
[17:45] <a|wen> seele: btw; it is 18:00-22:00 CET you picked
[17:46] <a|wen> no summertime in europe yet
[17:46] <ScottK> Riddell: [13:46:09] <slangasek> ScottK: kubuntu livefs builds failing because packagekit wants dbus to be active during its postinst
[17:47]  * ScottK can't look at it, so over to you.
[17:47] <seele> a|wen: oh right, daylight savings time happened
[17:47] <seele> so for two weeks i wont remember how many hours away anyone is
[17:48]  * a|wen again wonders why the US moved DST to be off sync with europe
[17:49] <a|wen> oh well, everyone is confused in any case :)
[17:49] <ScottK> At least we don't redecide it every year like some part of (IIRC) Argentina.
[17:50] <a|wen> yeah, they are really trying to freak people out
[17:51] <ScottK> They changed because it would be 'good for the environment' and every knows we don't ever want to not do something that's good for the environment no matter how much other trouble it causes.
[17:51] <ScottK> every/everyone
[17:54] <a|wen> on the same node, if anyone is really bored, bug 278419 is a fun story in its own strange way
[17:57]  * a|wen goes to sleep
[18:35] <EagleScreen> kde-l10n-xx packages conflicts with kde-i18n-xx packages in jaunty, this cause an error upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04
[18:35] <EagleScreen> they try to install the same files
[18:37] <EagleScreen> see Bug #330069
[18:40] <Gon> anyone have problems with kmail + gnupg?
[18:41] <ScottK-desktop> Gon: What release?
[18:43] <Gon> KDE 4.2.1
[18:43] <Gon> in Kubuntu Intrepid
[18:43] <ScottK-desktop> Working for me.
[18:43] <ScottK-desktop> Actually I have 4.2.0
[18:44] <ScottK-desktop> Did it work before you updated to 4.2.1?
[18:47] <Gon> no
[18:47] <Gon> kmail doesn't show pinentry window
[18:48] <ScottK-desktop> Can you pastebin your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[18:48] <Gon> then, kmail show me an alert saying that my passphrase is wrong
[18:49] <Gon> ok
[18:50] <Gon> http://gon.pastebin.com/m36b10f91
[18:50] <ScottK-desktop> That's correct.
[18:51] <ScottK-desktop> You have pinentry-qt4 installed?
[18:51] <jussi01> hrm... anyone know if you can sync google calender in kontact?
[18:53] <Gon> yes, y have pinentry-qt4
[18:54] <Gon> gon@acer:~$ ls /usr/bin/pinentry*
[18:54] <Gon> /usr/bin/pinentry  /usr/bin/pinentry-qt  /usr/bin/pinentry-x11
[18:56] <lex79> ScottK-desktop: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-creator/+bug/337342
[18:56] <lex79> fixed in my ppa
[19:01] <ScottK> Gon: I'm not sure then.  Those are the usual suspects.
[19:02] <Gon> I going to take an screenshot...
[19:02] <Gon> a*
[19:05] <ScottK> Gon: in Tools there's a GnuPG log viewer option.  I'd fire that up and see what it says after you try again.
[19:08] <Gon> also now launching kgpg not load icon in the trybar
[19:08] <ScottK> Kgpg and Kmail gpg signing are not generally related.
[19:09] <Gon> GnuPG Log Viewer is disabled in the menu
[19:09] <Gon> D:
[19:09] <Gon> wtf :s
[19:09] <EagleScreen> what happens with ksynaptics or qsynaptics?
[19:10] <ScottK> odd.  dunno what to say about that.
[19:11] <EagleScreen> I can't see them in the archive
[19:13] <Gon> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/164329/instantanea3.png
[19:14] <ScottK> I assume the breakage persists if you reboot?
[19:18] <Quintasan> jussi01: I'm afraid you still need to use external tools.
[19:19] <jussi01> Quintasan: still? what are they do you know? (never tried before)
[19:20] <Quintasan> jussi01: let me chcek, I can't remeber the name :P
[19:22] <Quintasan> jussi01:
[19:22] <Quintasan> GCALDaemon
[19:22] <Quintasan> You can find instructions here: http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/10/11/howto-two-way-sync-between-kontact-and-gcal/
[19:22]  * jussi01 goes to google
[19:22] <jussi01> ooh :)
[19:22] <jussi01> thanks a lot!
[19:22] <Quintasan> No problem :0
[19:23] <Quintasan> I wonder when they will implement it in Kontact :<
[19:25] <claydoh> comments/critiques/corrections requested: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha6/Kubuntu
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> Is that network manager plasmoid regression still present? I think that's been there since alpha 4 in the release notes
[20:14] <tigloo> is this the right channel to discuss pykde?
[20:15] <tigloo> i have a problem where a kcoreconfig instace will only write its values to a file when used together with KConfigDialog, but not when writeConfig is called from python
[20:24] <EagleScreen> plasma panel change its colour and transparency when I resize the panel, and this keeps forever!
[20:25] <EagleScreen> see here the difference: there are two images with the same wallpaper and both with Oxigen theme:
[20:26] <EagleScreen> http://imagebin.ca/view/d0szQb.html
[20:26] <EagleScreen> http://imagebin.ca/view/8GXZb5XO.html
[20:26] <EagleScreen> can you see the difference in the panel?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> Likely it should have been transparent before, but the cache was stale or something, and resizing it forced it to draw a new pixmap
[20:31] <EagleScreen> all KDE's I have seen has the "blue" panel in origin
[20:32] <Quintasan> EagleScreen: the Oxygen theme was changed from black to blue :P
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> If you have desktop effects on its transparent, though with the default wallpape that still makes it blue
[20:33] <EagleScreen> yes, by that it is originally blue, but later it lose its colour
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> no, what I'm saying is that it's always transparent, but the default wallpaper is blue which makes it look blue
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, you probably were replying to Quintasan
[20:35] <EagleScreen> JontheEchidna not, see the screenshots I have paste
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> I already explained why you saw what you saw
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> after you pasted the links
[20:35] <EagleScreen> the cache
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> yes, it was probably stale
[20:36] <EagleScreen> then what is the right KDE apparience?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> Transparent
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> Unless you don't have desktop effects, then solid
[20:37] <EagleScreen> Can I manage that transparency?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> Nope, not without changing the theme
[20:40] <EagleScreen> I think KDE themes are more ugly with this transparency than in the "original" satate
[20:53] <ScottK> claydoh: I think it looks good generally.  I think 'everything' being updated should go as we've used it severaltimes.  Also I'd mention that choqoK is in Universe and can be installed from the repositories, but is not on the CD.
[20:53] <claydoh> ScottK: okay, and thanks :)
[20:54] <ScottK> claydoh: Thank you for working on it.
[20:55] <claydoh> oooh and i forgot kpackagekit, notification reminded me :)
[20:56] <claydoh> any caveats about kpackagekit need mentioning?
[20:56]  * ScottK looks for Mr. KPackageKit: rgreening
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> kpackagekit didn't help my mom with her groceries :(
[21:02] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you mean ?
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> nothing :P
[21:02] <smarter> wow, git is really frightening
[21:03] <smarter> almost use a commit due to unproper use of git reset
[21:03] <smarter> thankfully, as git can do everything, there is a command to reset a reset: git reflog
[21:04] <Tonio_> smarter: git isn't that bad now, and pretty easy to use...
[21:04] <Sput> yeah, git loses nothing unless you gc/purge it :)
[21:04] <Tonio_> smarter: I'd say there is no big different with bzr, except for the performances :)
[21:04] <smarter> still, it's kinda frightening :p
[21:05] <smarter> well, I'm still totally confused using it, http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Development/Git helped me a lot
[21:05] <smarter> but I really like the way it handles branches, so I use it :)
[21:05] <Tonio_> smarter: bzr branch = git clone
[21:05] <Tonio_> bzr up = git pull
[21:06] <smarter> that's kinda more complicated than that if you use git-svn :p
[21:06] <Tonio_> well I'd like commands to be unified a bit more...
[21:06] <smarter> but the way it handles revert is quiet strange
[21:06] <Tonio_> hum, I consider the way bzr does also is strange :)
[21:06] <smarter> but I can handle the basic like branching and pulling yes :p
[21:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was wondering, shouldn't a kdelibs update require a notify-reboot-required ?
[21:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: or plasma too ? I regularly got crashes after an update of those...
[21:09] <Tonio_> especially plasma...
[21:09] <Riddell> notify-logout-required (no such thing exists but you could argue we should have one)
[21:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should have one :)
[21:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: but waiting for that to happen, reboot is probably better for the noobs, no ?
[21:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, talk to mvo I guess
[21:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[21:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, I didn't saw any kde notification with it, is there one ? I just got the icon.... barrely visible for most people I guess...
[21:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe I just missed the notification though...
[21:12] <ScottK> It could be ctrl-alt-delete required.
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> There is a kded bug where it crashes during updated
[21:12] <ScottK> No.  Wait.  We disabled that ....
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> *updates
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> but that's a bug in itself
[21:13] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I don't like to be forced to reboot, but looking at what osx does, I *hate* when I'm forced too, but it won't crash...
[21:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes it uses knotify
[21:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I just missed it then :)
[21:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll discuss with mvo about that
[21:32] <mofux> probably a bad question, but is it possible to backport the new windecoration buttons from oxygen?
[21:32] <mofux> well, they are kinda old
[21:32] <mofux> but they look so much better :)
[21:33] <mofux> they when in just 1 or two days after 4.2.0 has been tagged
[21:33] <mofux> they even are on the release announcement screenshots on the kde homepage :P
[21:34] <mofux> ^when = went
[21:34] <mofux> sorry for spamming this dev channel :]
[21:44] <firephoto> are there any options for changing touchpad settings on kubuntu jaunty?
[22:00] <ScottK> firephoto: Yes.
[22:04] <firephoto> Scottk something i need to install or do i need to keep trying to figure out the xml file somewhere mystery and translate some xorg.conf references man pages into that?
[22:06] <ScottK> firephoto: Somewhat depends on what you want to do.  In System Settings under keyboard and mouse there are things like adjusting acceleration and stuff.
[22:08] <firephoto> i'm really just wanting to disable the tap to click or change it somehow to make it useful and not just a random clicking as you're moving about.
[22:11] <ScottK> Hrmmm.  It's claimed ksynaptics was replaced by touchfreeze, but it's description is not encouraging.
[22:11] <ScottK> You might see what that can do.
[22:12] <firephoto> yea. i thought the same thing but it actually only just disables the touchpad and gives you a tray icon for that.
[22:12] <ScottK> So at least the description is accurate.
[22:25] <jefferai> any packagers around that know how to deal with cmake and can tell me how easy/hard it will make their life if we change something around?  :-)
[22:26] <jussi01> ScottK: ^^
[22:27] <Riddell> jefferai: how do you mean change something around?
[22:27] <jefferai> Riddell: we're splitting out the taglib plugins into its own package, and we're going to have the collection scanner be a separate package as well
[22:27] <jefferai> what I want to know is, if we move the collection scanner to the top level directory
[22:27] <jefferai> and we leave it out of the main CMakeLists.txt (or make it optional)
[22:28] <jefferai> is it easy for you to then package each part separately?
[22:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'l adding patched to qt-creator to fix some bugs thanks to lex79
[22:28] <ryanakca> Riddell, nixternal: When would be the best time to get together to discuss / sort out help.kubuntu.org? I can't tomorrow, but after that it should be good...
[22:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there any reason you didn't use dpatch or anything else for your previous patch ?
[22:30] <Riddell> jefferai: it's not hard, but it's nicest if upstream (you) release tars of the parts we need to package
[22:30] <jefferai> Riddell: OK.
[22:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just wonder if you'd favor quilt or dpatch for non kde packages...
[22:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: no paticular reason, probably just started experimental and never fixed it up, feel free to add it
[22:31] <Tonio_> oki
[22:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: and you don't want the docs with it ? I saw you patched for that
[22:32] <Sput> jefferai: yes, I wanted to mention the tarball thing as well (maybe I did already), at a defined location and possibly with a fixed and sensible versioning scheme :)
[22:32] <Sput> e.g. unlike KDE's snapshots :P
[22:33] <jefferai> Sput: versioning scheme would likely be the same as Amarok itself
[22:33] <ScottK> vorian: New lemonpos out.
[22:33] <jefferai> Sput: for the taglib-extras package, we'd use the taglib versioning scheme, since we're using its API
[22:33] <Sput> jefferai: what do you do between release, e.g. once trunk requires a newer version than the last released one?
[22:34] <Sput> well, we'll probably just offer a -9999 then
[22:34] <jefferai> Sput: I imagine we'll try to update it very quickly
[22:34] <jefferai> I'm on taglib-devel so I should see notifications about upcoming releases
[22:35] <vorian> ScottK: thanks
[22:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: Qt is compiled without the docs
[22:38] <Tonio_> oki
[22:38] <jefferai> Riddell: are you the amarok packager?
[22:39] <ScottK> He's the most recent victim, but we tend to work as a team.
[22:39] <Riddell> as ScottK says
[22:44] <jefferai> Riddell: ok...so you don't have any major issues with this?
[22:44] <jefferai> ScottK: ^
[22:44] <jefferai> either of you?
[22:45]  * Sput wonders why the amarok maintainer is always called a victim in any distro :P
[22:45] <jefferai> unless you have better ideas, I'll separate out the client and the scanner into entirely separate build trees, although both will be in the amarok source tree
[22:45] <jefferai> but we can probably give you separate tarballs
[22:45] <jefferai> hush, Sput  :-P
[22:46] <Sput> :D
[22:46] <Riddell> jefferai: fine with me, but seems strange to have the tars different then the revision control system (KDE does this with kdebase{-workspace,-runtime,,} and it's a bit confusing for people
[22:46] <jefferai> Sput: thought you're a gentoo guy
[22:46] <jefferai> why aren't you in #gentoo-kde?
[22:46] <jefferai> :-P
[22:47] <Sput> I am
[22:47] <jefferai> Riddell: different than the revision control system?
[22:47] <Riddell> Sput: ever tried compiling a package with its own embedded sources of mysql?  gets messy
[22:48] <Sput> Riddell: I know your pain, I was fighting with amarok in Gentoo for long enough :)
[22:48] <Sput> we still haven't quite fixed the mysqle mess
[22:48] <Sput> since we can't just distribute a hacked binary...
[22:49] <Riddell> jefferai: you want revision control to have amarok sources including this taglib and scanner stuff, but final tars not to?
[22:49] <jefferai> no
[22:49] <jefferai> taglib-extras will be separate
[22:49] <jefferai> not in the amarok tree
[22:49] <jefferai> (although in the kde tree)
[22:50] <jefferai> the final tars would tar up different parts of the amarok source tree
[22:51] <Riddell> so that's inconsistent between the tars and the revision control sources
[22:52] <Riddell> which is confusing (more to people compiling it for the first time than for packagers)
[22:52] <jefferai> I mean, we can also provide a tarball that has both the scanner and the rest of amarok
[22:52] <jefferai> whatever is best for you packagers
[22:53] <jefferai> We could also maybe have the sources by default compile and install the collection scanner
[22:53] <jefferai> and then ask packagers for distros to disable this and separate them out
[22:54] <Nightrose> Riddell: can you cc dot-editors to your replies like the last one so i know what is dealt with and what not?
[22:56] <Riddell> jefferai: why does it need to be separated?
[22:57] <jefferai> the collection scanner is being made headless
[22:57] <jefferai> devoid of X11 dependencies
[22:57] <Riddell> Nightrose: normally yes but he was using gmail and gmail usually thinks my normal e-mail server is spam :(
[22:57] <jefferai> and it's already been made so that it can be run in batch mode
[22:57] <jefferai> so you can do remote/headless scanning on a media server
[22:57] <jefferai> then read that instantly into Amarok
[22:58] <jefferai> instead of having Amarok do a scan through e.g. a slow wireless link
[22:58] <Sput> btw, how's amarok gonna support including those files then?
[22:58] <Sput> NFS?
[22:58] <Nightrose> Riddell: isn't dot-editors open for posting by everyone?
[22:58] <Riddell> jefferai: so the idea is collection scanner can be installed on a remote computer?
[22:58] <Riddell> Nightrose: it's moderated I'm pretty sure
[22:58] <Nightrose> ah ok
[22:59] <jefferai> yep
[22:59] <jefferai> install the collection scanner on a remote computer
[22:59] <jefferai> whip up a few scripts with a couple lines each
[22:59] <jefferai> and gravy
[22:59] <Riddell> jefferai: there's no need to separate the sources for that, we can package the binary files separately
[23:00] <jefferai> Riddell: ok...even if it has its entirely own build tree?
[23:00] <jefferai> separating sources was asked for by e.g. Gentoo
[23:00] <jefferai> but they said they can also deal with not having it separated
[23:01] <Riddell> well gentoo installs from sources so it'll be easier for them to have separated sources
[23:01] <jefferai> right
[23:01] <Sput> we'd prefer having a way to build them separately then though, by way of a cmake option for example
[23:01] <jefferai> but they can also simply unpack parts of the tarball
[23:01] <Riddell> our users install from binaries so we are fine separating the binaries during compile and people can install only the one they need
[23:02] <jefferai> Sput: my thought was to simply have separate cmake build trees
[23:02] <Sput> or that
[23:02] <jefferai> i.e. the main CMakeLists.txt doesn't build the scanner
[23:02] <Riddell> having a cmake options sounds best to me
[23:02] <jefferai> ok
[23:02] <Riddell> -DBUILD_SCANNER_ONLY=true
[23:02] <jefferai> OK
[23:02] <Riddell> else it builds everything
[23:02] <jefferai> that could work
[23:02] <Sput> but don't listen to me, reavertm is your man and you two already talk :)
[23:02] <jefferai> I'll try i
[23:02] <jefferai> it
[23:02] <jefferai> Sput: it should be easy though
[23:03] <jefferai> they can pass in an option to CMake via a USE flag
[23:03] <jefferai> I just have to figure out how to do it
[23:03] <jefferai> heh
[23:03] <jefferai> ok, gotta go
[23:03] <jefferai> thanks guys
[23:04] <Riddell> IF(NOT BUILD_SCANNER_ONLY)
[23:04] <Riddell>   add_subdirectory(amarok)
[23:04] <Riddell> ENDIF(NOT BUILD_SCANNER_ONLY)
[23:04] <Riddell> add_subdirectory(scanner)
[23:05] <Riddell> or something like that
[23:05] <Sput> extra care must be taken if you don't want to get KDE deps into the scanner
[23:06] <Sput> in which case it'd probably be easier to have separate cmake trees
[23:06] <Nightrose> the scanner isn't exactly something people work on a lot
[23:06] <Nightrose> so i don't think that is a high risk
[23:07] <Sput> oO risk?
[23:07] <Sput> now I'm confused :)
[23:14] <Riddell> Nightrose: replied to his next question too
[23:14] <Nightrose> ok :)
[23:20] <nixternal> ryanakca: anytime is good for me
[23:22] <seele> Riddell: youre not available at all next week?
[23:43] <ScottK> Nightrose: I was wondering if you could fancy up https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha6/Kubuntu with some Amarok screenshots?
[23:44] <Nightrose> ScottK: you probably want 2.0.2 screenshots right? i don't have that here :/   all i can give you is the screenshot that is in the release notes on amarok.kde.org
[23:45] <ScottK> Nightrose: Way better than we have now.
[23:45] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[23:45] <Nightrose> when do you need it done by?
[23:45] <ScottK> Also maybe a few words on 2.0.2 since that's new.
[23:45] <ScottK> Nightrose: By sometime Thursday.  Dunno when, so Wednesday night to be safe.
[23:45] <Nightrose> ok
[23:45] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:47] <ScottK> nixternal: Do you think you might contribute a Kmail/Kontact screenshot for us?
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> Think we should put anything about KTorrent 3.2 in there? It comes with a new plasmoid
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> I mean, if choqok gets a place there... :P
[23:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Go for it.