[00:01] <Shii> is PulseAudio support significantly improved in jaunty?
[00:03] <Ienorand> swegner: there's supposed to be a dedicated #liveusb tried?
[00:03] <swegner> oh, I wasn't aware-- I'll check there, thanks
[00:03] <Ienorand> swegner: oh, that one seems to be empty
[00:04] <swegner> do you think this is a jaunty-specific change, or not?
[00:04] <swegner> I can't remember what the intrepid live USB was like
[00:05] <Ienorand> swegner: I have no idea, never tried it, sorry
[00:05] <swegner> hmm.. ok.  I'll check in #ubuntu and see if somebody might have an answer
[00:21] <xxploit> anyone happen to know how to disable nautilus from managing the desktop, disabling it thru gconf-editor like i used to do floods the taskbar with msgboxs. Is this a bug?
[00:36] <zeldarocks> should I update to 9.04?
[00:43] <jwulf|eee> anyone have the lowdown on compiz at the moment?
[00:43] <jwulf|eee> i updated jaunty with the latest updates and it seems to be broken
[00:44] <jwulf|eee> it looks like the compiz packages are being reorganized?
[01:07] <crdlb> jwulf|eee: looks like libcompizconfig is missing
[01:09] <crdlb> jwulf|eee: because it's in dependency wait
[01:10] <crdlb> I'm guessing the problem is that protobuf (which is a new library used by libcompizconfig to cache metadata parsing) is in universe
[01:12] <Hobbsee> hrm, that can't be good
[01:12] <crdlb> apparently it's been approved
[01:13] <crdlb> and will move once something depends on it in main (ie libcompizconfig :>)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> crdlb: looks like that was fixed.  the next fix should hit the main mirror soon
[01:28] <Lounge> hey guys i have got some major problems going on with module-init-tools in jaunty
[01:29] <crdlb> Hobbsee: is there a delay before that shows up on launchpad?
[01:29] <kazagistar> some weird dependency stuff just came through... apparently, compiz is to be removed, which seems wrong
[01:29] <Hobbsee> crdlb: the binaries will be on LP
[01:30] <Hobbsee> kazagistar: known problem, fix on it's way
[01:30] <kazagistar> Hobbsee: coolio, I suspected as much, thanks
[01:32] <Lounge> is there any bug reports on module-init-tools?
[01:32] <Lounge> module-init-tools (3.7~pre7-1)
[01:32] <Lounge> i tried to reinstall it but its returning a status 1 error
[01:41] <marijus> lounge: there is already an update in to module-init-tools (3.7~pre7-2)
[01:41] <marijus> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty
[01:51] <Lounge> im trying to find out why its not configuring
[01:52] <Lounge> okay im gonna try to boot into jaunty now
[01:59] <DanaG> oh yeah, bootchart has changed to not have the chart generator... but the separate genarator package, pybootchart, doesn't exist.
[02:13] <ZeZu> I just upgraded to 9.04 and i have no window manager, its set to unknown ;|
[02:14] <crdlb> unknown in what?
[02:14] <ripps> Um... the latest round of updates wants me to remove a bunch of compiz componets, what should I do?
[02:14] <crdlb> ripps: wait
[02:14] <crdlb> or use update-manager :)
[02:14] <crdlb> (which won't remove things)
[02:15] <ZeZu> hmm
[02:15] <timo> hi all
[02:15] <ripps> crdlb: update manager wants to do a partial update, but it wants to remove a couple compiz components. Just ignore it for now?
[02:15] <ZeZu> i changed appearances and now if i go to system>preferences>windows it says compiz hasn't registered a configuration tool
[02:15] <timo> when is jaunty coming out
[02:16] <ZeZu> before windows did not appear in toolbar at the bottom,  and no title bar on them  now they appear but still no title bar
[02:16] <crdlb> ZeZu: hmm, if you _just_ upgraded, you may have been bitten by the current compiz packaging problem
[02:16] <crdlb> just use metacity for now
[02:16] <ZeZu> how do i switch ?
[02:16] <timo> yeh im with meticity
[02:16] <crdlb> appearance, set it to None
[02:17] <ZeZu> ah yes that fixes it
[02:17] <timo> What are we going to do about flashplayer
[02:17] <Lounge> okay got module-init-tools under control but now another problem and that is jaunty is unable to find any active network devices
[02:17] <Lounge> i can connect to the dsl modem
[02:17] <Lounge> can't*
[02:18] <ZeZu> i was just about to inquire about flashplayer it seems to be removed as well ;)
[02:18] <ZeZu> and how i can help,  i am a developer, but i dont know where to start
[02:18] <timo> flash nonfree is there
[02:18] <ZeZu> maybe it just removed it for me ;|
[02:18] <timo> it might as wellnot be thou
[02:18] <ZeZu> and i'm on x64
[02:19] <timo> im on 64
[02:20] <timo> 80% cpu on you tube and pulseaudio is a bi***
[02:20] <ZeZu> what causes that ?
[02:20] <timo> alpha?
[02:21] <timo> But i have always had an issue with pulse
[02:21] <ZeZu> i prefer jack
[02:23] <ZeZu> hmm its the firefox plugin that it removed or smth
[02:23] <ZeZu> flash nonfree is installed but no plugin
[02:24] <timo> you don't need a plug in
[02:26] <timo> ZeZu close firefox install flash then start firefox, done
[02:40] <ZeZu> timo, i did install with it off, it seems like it works but not for youtube
[02:40] <ZeZu> and my screensaver decided it wouldn't turn off from keyboard input
[02:40] <ZeZu> so then came a reboot
[02:41] <ZeZu> hmm it even locks up the screensaver prefs. window
[02:42] <Slartibartfast> Hi people with nvidia cards and the 180.35 driver. DO you also have troubles with loging out, restarting and shutting down?
[02:43] <|ns|nR8> no Slartibartfast
[02:43] <eternal_p> hey guys...anyone able to help me get rid of that dammed, pam message before I can log into my wifi (via auto-login)
[02:43] <hggdh> which message, eternal_p ?
[02:44] <eternal_p> asks for my password to unlock the keyring before my wifi would connect
[02:44] <ZeZu> any way i can change default screensaver without the UI ?
[02:44] <Slartibartfast> hmmm ... here i see noshuttiong down the desktop ... and when trying to shutdown again the whole desktop freezes :-(
[02:44] <hggdh> eternal_p, you need to set the keyring passphrase to nulls (since you auto-login)
[02:44] <eternal_p> hggdh: how? :)
[02:45] <|ns|nR8> Slartibartfast, the alpha is buggy crap...if you want stability use a stable version
[02:45] <Slartibartfast> |ns|nR8: yes yes ... i know
[02:45] <hggdh> eternal_p, Applications/Accessories/Passwords and Encryption keys; your keyring passphrase is your original login passphrase
[02:45] <Slartibartfast> just wanted to know if there are more people with the same problem
[02:46] <hggdh> Slartibartfast, I do not have it
[02:46] <eternal_p> hggdh: thanks, I'll check that on reboot
[02:46] <Slartibartfast> strange
[02:47] <eternal_p> my last quesiton..when I switch to another workspace, I lose all my icons/panels, etc.  all I can do is reboot to get it back
[02:47] <crdlb> Slartibartfast: 180.35 has some known bugs
[02:48] <hggdh> eternal_p, this is weird. I do not have it either -- but I do not run composite. Do you?
[02:48] <skel> a little bird told me to come here with discussion related to 9.04
[02:48] <thiebaude> anyone found a workaround for bug 304871?
[02:48] <skel> has anyone qa'd the evolution-mapi support for exchange in 9.04 alphas yet?
[02:48] <eternal_p> hggdh: no idea :)
[02:48] <hggdh> heh
[02:48] <Slartibartfast> Is it possible / (for me) recommended to go back to the 177 driver?
[02:48] <hggdh> eternal_p, do you run compiz?
[02:48] <eternal_p> well there is a new compiz in the updates, but it is not fully updated yet
[02:49] <eternal_p> yup
[02:49] <crdlb> Slartibartfast: hopefully, the 180.37 driver will be added soon
[02:49] <ZeZu> hmm someone already posted this as bug 338087,  but i dont see any solution
[02:49] <zaccour> im having a flash error in ubuntu 9.04 alpha. can this be fixed yet?
[02:49] <Slartibartfast> crdlb: Where can i find more information about that?
[02:49] <crdlb> Slartibartfast: nvnews?
[02:50] <hggdh> well, I think C-A-BS has been disabled
[02:50] <ZeZu> hggdh: its not responsive to anything
[02:50] <Slartibartfast> crdlb: ok ok will check it out
[02:50] <zaccour> im having a flash error in ubuntu 9.04 alpha. can this be fixed yet?
[02:50] <ZeZu> so screensaver effectively locks machine up
[02:50] <ZeZu> have to reboot
[02:50] <ZeZu> pretty bad bug
[02:50] <hggdh> yes
[02:50] <thiebaude> zaccour: is the flashplugin in synaptic
[02:51] <thiebaude> in 9.04
[02:51] <eternal_p> ZeZu: remember, this is an alpha release
[02:51] <ZeZu> i know,  i'm actually looking and where i might be able to pitch in
[02:51] <zaccour> thiebaude, i installed flash via browser and add/remove. im gonna check synaptic brb
[02:51] <thiebaude> zaccour: ok
[02:52] <ZeZu> just disabled the screensaver for now
[02:52] <zeldarocks> guys, I tried to install jaunty, but the install failed
[02:53] <thiebaude> zeldarocks: how did it fail?
[02:53] <zaccour> thiebaude, flash plugin non free is installed in synaptic
[02:53] <zaccour> maybe its just an alpha thing i have to wait out
[02:53] <zeldarocks> it asked me to select y or n near the end and it apparently froze right there\
[02:53] <thiebaude> zaccour: uninstall and re-install
[02:53] <thiebaude> zeldarocks: you have an intel card
[02:53] <zaccour> i tried that already, not in synaptic though
[02:53] <zeldarocks> no, nvidia
[02:54] <thiebaude> zeldarocks: ok
[02:55] <zeldarocks> I had like 14 minutes left of the install and then it asked me something (can't remember what though) and when I tried to press y and enter, it wouldn't respond
[02:55] <thiebaude> zeldarocks: did you burn your cd?
[02:56] <zeldarocks> no doing it through my ubuntu install
[02:56] <zeldarocks> thropugh internet
[02:58] <zeldarocks> apparently my internet connection stopped working or something during install, and then as soon as the install exited, not having been completed BTW, the IRC client connected again
[02:59] <zeldarocks> then I try to restart, and I get a message about my grapgics configuration and 'ubuntu running in low graphics mode'
[02:59] <zaccour> flash uninstall/reinstall did not work
[02:59] <zaccour> do i have to just wait till the 26th and try beta?
[03:00] <zeldarocks> hello?
[03:00] <|ns|nR8> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[03:01] <thiebaude> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=994922,  zaccour
[03:01] <thiebaude> try that and see what happens
[03:02] <zeldarocks> hello?
[03:02] <ZeZu> i just purged flashplugin-nonfree and reinstalled and it works for hulu now
[03:02] <zeldarocks> help
[03:02] <zaccour> thiebaude, ill check that out thanks
[03:02] <thiebaude> zaccour: yw
[03:03] <zeldarocks> please help me
[03:04] <zeldarocks> HELLO
[03:05] <zeldarocks> please
[03:05] <DanaG> handy thing to replace ctrl-alt-backspace until you re-enable it: alt-sysrq-k.  Super-kills everything on current TTY, which in this case, would be Xorg.
[03:05] <zaccour> thiebaude, i did the command in the terminal and it said could not find it
[03:05]  * zeldarocks gets ready to leave
[03:06]  * zeldarocks begs
[03:06] <DanaG> zeldarocks: you never explicitly asked an answerable question.
[03:06] <DanaG> Consider rephrasing it.
[03:07] <zeldarocks> my install apparently crashed, I was asked to press Y or N with about 15 minutes left in the install process, I'm attempting the install again, what do I press?
[03:08] <DanaG> It'd help to know what the question it was asking you was.
[03:10] <zeldarocks> I don't remember, it was something about a default, or somnething. if it helps, the options it gava me were: 'y/I' for yes, I think "D/N" for no
[03:10] <DanaG> Hmm, was it an upgrade, or a fresh install?
[03:10] <zeldarocks> upgrade
[03:11] <DanaG> Ah, probably about replacing a config file.
[03:11] <DanaG> The thing to do there is to hit 'd' to see the differences, and if you've never customized it yourself, then hit 'y' to replace.
[03:11] <zeldarocks> ok
[03:11] <zeldarocks> that was it
[03:11] <DanaG> The times you'd want to keep the local version are only when you'd manually chaanged something.
[03:12] <zeldarocks> also, what if it doesn't respond?
[03:12] <DanaG> Samba config file is one exception: defined shares get trampled on when replacing the file -- you'd either have to keep local version, or re-set the shares.
[03:13] <DanaG> That's only for system shares, not per-user shares.
[03:13] <dtchen> zaccour: what's the issue that you experienced with Flash?
[03:13] <zaccour> can anyone recommend a different distro?
[03:13] <DanaG> oh yeah, I want to reboot for a minute... will be back.
[03:14] <zaccour> dtchen, all i see is black boxes where flash stuff should be
[03:14] <dtchen> zaccour: (WRT different distro - depends on your usage patterns and operating environment requirements)
[03:14] <dtchen> zaccour: ia32 or amd64?
[03:14] <thiebaude> zaccour: an ubuntu LTS
[03:15] <zaccour> 32
[03:15] <zaccour> dell mini 9
[03:15] <zaccour> whoa youtube videos work though
[03:15] <dtchen> zaccour: are you using flashplugin-nonfree or adobe-flashplugin?
[03:15] <zaccour> nonfree
[03:16] <zaccour> both actually
[03:16] <dtchen> uhh
[03:16] <dtchen> you should deinstall one of them
[03:16] <thiebaude> zaccour: delete the adobe one
[03:16] <zaccour> search adobe in synaptic?
[03:17] <thiebaude> yes
[03:17] <dtchen> or `sudo apt-get --purge remove adobe-flashplugin'
[03:17] <dtchen> although i don't necessarily recommend removing that in favour of flashplugin-nonfree for other reasons
[03:17] <zaccour> i only see flash nonfree in synaptic
[03:18] <thiebaude> zaccour: there isn't an adobe flash option on the adobe web site
[03:18] <zaccour> yes
[03:18] <zaccour> there is
[03:18] <dtchen> no, use the one in the Canonical partner repository
[03:19] <zaccour> i have flash nonfree
[03:19] <dtchen> what's the output from `dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree adobe-flashplugin|grep ^ii' ?
[03:20] <crdlb> what's the difference between the two?
[03:20] <zaccour> i think i might just use another distro until the final release comes out
[03:20] <zaccour> what distros are best suited for dell mini?
[03:21] <crdlb> there's always intrepid?
[03:21] <thiebaude> zaccour: did you try 8.10?
[03:21] <dtchen> or hardy, gutsy, or dapper
[03:21] <thiebaude> lol
[03:21] <zaccour> yes, but when i installed the first set of updates my wired internet stopped working
[03:21] <Cycom_> zaccour: I'd go with 8.04 personally.  most stuff works out of the box
[03:21] <thiebaude> Cycom_: i agree, the LTS should be more stable
[03:22] <dtchen> crdlb: adobe-flashplugin is the official Adobe Flash plugin for ia32 distributed by Canonical in its partner repository
[03:22] <Cycom> zaccour: you will have to run one set of updates, but your wired ethernet will continue to work, and your wireless will start working.
[03:22] <Cycom> zaccour: you have to do some tweaks for the audio, but they are well documented.
[03:22] <crdlb> dtchen: but the binary is the same, isn't it?
[03:22] <zaccour> my wired internet stopped working after the first set of updates
[03:22]  * crdlb is currently using swfdec anyway
[03:22] <dtchen> crdlb: flashplugin-nonfree is a community-maintained download wrapper & installer for the official Adobe Flash plugin. It only downloads and installs the 32-bit version regardless whether you're using ia32 or amd64, since nspluginwrapper is used for both.
[03:23] <zaccour> is gOS good? i cant find a download iso on their site
[03:23] <Cycom> speaking of audio, my adventure into +1 land is due to an audio problem on 9.04. I have an hp mini 1030nr, and it has no audio output.  It's a STAC 92xx.  Worked in 8.04 and 8.10 with snd-hda-intel model=ref, but now? zilch.
[03:23] <crdlb> I see, thanks :)
[03:24] <dtchen> Cycom: run the alsa-info.sh script and tell me the url it generates
[03:24] <crdlb> no more checksum errors when adobe updates the unversioned that way, too, I guess
[03:24] <thiebaude> 9.04 has alot of problems with intel products
[03:24] <Cycom> dtchen: will do.
[03:24] <Cycom> dtchen: where is the script located?
[03:25] <dtchen> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[03:25] <Cycom> not preinstalled on the system, right?
[03:25] <dtchen> no
[03:25] <dtchen> we won't be installing it as part of alsa-base until we've audited it
[03:26] <Cycom> dtchen: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=28a999536fb912ab60acecdb42efd0ef33823cd6
[03:26] <Cycom> the interesting part is that audio INPUT works.
[03:26] <zaccour> i think im just gonna try gOS and try jaunty beta when it comes out
[03:26] <Cycom> my mic is picked up, I just don't get sound output.
[03:27] <dtchen> sec, need to `git pull'
[03:28] <dtchen> interesting, a Mini 1000?
[03:29] <dtchen> first, you need to remove the model=auto quirk
[03:29] <dtchen> i'll see if our kernel source supports that particular model
[03:30] <Cycom> dtchen: yeah, a 1030nr
[03:30] <Cycom> dtchen: bear in mind that before I needed model=ref to get working mic input, but otherwise sound worked ootb.  However, it WAS supported in 8.04 and 8.10.
[03:31] <dtchen> Cycom: no, it only happened to be "supported" because the quirk used happened to twiddle the correct init verbs
[03:32] <Cycom> ahh...
[03:32] <dtchen> Cycom: the correct quirk in jaunty's kernel is actually "hp-m4"
[03:32] <dtchen> i recommend you remove the model=auto quirk you've added
[03:32] <dtchen> then reboot and see if the bios correctly initialises the codec
[03:32] <dtchen> if it doesn't, try using model=hp-m4
[03:33] <Cycom> ok. give me about 2 minutes.
[03:36] <DanaG> odd... PA 0.9.15 refuses to do zeroconf discovery.
[03:36] <DanaG> W: module-tunnel.c: Stream died.
[03:36] <Cycom> dtchen: no dice without any model quirk.  All volumes seem at normal levels, but there is still no sound.
[03:36] <DanaG> and E: protocol-native.c: protocol error, kicking client
[03:36] <Cycom> dtchen: do you want another alsa-info.sh?
[03:37] <dtchen> Cycom: yes
[03:37] <DanaG> and I: module.c: Unloading "module-tunnel-sink"
[03:38] <zaccour> is gOS good?
[03:38] <Cycom> dtchen: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=6927abacec55171f9f75ab87a6c46baff3cd168e
[03:38] <Cycom> dtchen: I'll try the model=hp-m4 next, but I'll wait till you see the alsa-info output
[03:39]  * DanaG wishes the mute hotkey on his laptop would collaborate with ALSA.
[03:39] <DanaG> Right now it just does its own thing, in hardware.
[03:40] <crdlb> mine does get hijacked by the software volume control
[03:40] <crdlb> which is a tiny bit annoying since it turns it from a "mute" button to a "toggle mute" button
[03:41] <DanaG> my bug report:
[03:41] <DanaG> http://www.scribd.com/doc/4855506/HP-EliteBook-2530p
[03:41] <DanaG> er
[03:41] <DanaG> wrong link
[03:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[03:41] <crdlb> I always know ubuntu would move off of launchpad one day
[03:42] <dtchen> Cycom: are you using PulseAudio or direct ALSA?
[03:42] <DanaG> Check out my description of my mute key.
[03:42] <Cycom> pulseaudio, dtchen
[03:42] <Cycom> dtchen: however, manually setting it to direct alsa in sound manager for output has had no effect so far
[03:42] <mase_work> hey guys, i'm just wondering what the status of the intel X4500 chipset and DRI2 is in jaunty. Is this usable for testing purpooses ? I need to test Jaunty for some bug reports but I last time it tried it was X (even without compiz/composite) was just too slow to allow me to spend much time testing it.
[03:42] <DanaG> oh yeah, why does vbox setup do a find | grep at every boot?
[03:43] <DanaG> it takes 1.5 seconds out of a now 28-second boot.
[03:43] <dtchen> Cycom: right, you need to check that your user is in the audio group if you use ALSA directly instead of PulseAudio
[03:43] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/
[03:43] <dtchen> PulseAudio uses consolekit to determine which user has privileges to access the sound device
[03:49] <Cycom> dtchen: I added myself to audio, and set my sound preferences for "ALSA" under playback, but the test still outputs no sound.
[03:50] <Cycom> if I set it for HDA Intel STAC92xx Analog (ALSA) i get audiotestsrc wave=wine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresamble ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback.
[03:50] <Cycom> should I try model=hp-m4 now/
[03:51] <dtchen> Cycom: did you log out and back in after adding your user to @audio ?
[03:52] <Cycom> yes. groups shows me in audio as well.
[03:52] <Cycom> output from groups: mark adm dialout cdrom audio plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[03:52] <dtchen> what happens with `pasuspender -- aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' ?
[03:53] <Cycom> dtchen: nothing.
[03:53] <Cycom> it says "Playing WAVE" etc. etc., but no sound.
[03:54] <dtchen> Cycom: meaning it hangs or meaning it is inaudible but completes?
[03:54] <Cycom> the latter.
[03:54] <Cycom> it's inaudible, but completes.
[03:54] <Cycom> btw, thanks for all your help dtchen
[03:55] <dtchen> Cycom: use `list-sinks' in pacmd, please
[03:57] <Cycom> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129071/
[03:58] <dtchen> Cycom: ok, please use `killall pulseaudio ; pulseaudio -vvv'
[03:58] <Cycom> dtchen: will I need to sudo the killall, or will it work as a standard user?
[03:58] <dtchen> (yes, it's intentional to not daemonise, and there will be much verboseness)
[03:58] <dtchen> unprivileged user
[03:58] <crdlb> do you get a cow if you use any more -v's?
[03:59] <dtchen> crdlb: as in `apt-get moo'?
[03:59] <DanaG> try with aptitude.
[03:59] <crdlb> more aptitude, but yes
[03:59] <dtchen> no, you don't. i could add it, i suppose.
[03:59] <Cycom> dtchen: output going to pastebin
[04:00] <Cycom> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129074/
[04:01] <dtchen> huh
[04:01] <dtchen> what's the output from `apt-cache policy pulseaudio|grep Installed' ?
[04:02] <Cycom> dtchen: Installed: 0.9.14-0ubuntu10
[04:02] <SnoFox> Okay, you know that volume notifier when you use the volume keys on your keyboard? It always stops working after I change my icon theme anywhere but Human. D:
[04:03] <dtchen> err, that's not the newest PA revision
[04:03] <dtchen> please update to ubuntu11, please
[04:03] <Cycom> dtchen: doing it now.
[04:03] <Cycom> I didn't see the update icon, so I just assumed...
[04:04] <Cycom> dtchen: as soon as you asked what version was installed, I wend "uh oh..."
[04:04] <Cycom> HAHA! dtchen 77 updates.
[04:04] <Cycom> dtchen: you watch mythbusters?  I just heard Adam go "Well THERE'S your PROBLEM." in my head.
[04:05]  * DanaG is on the 0.9.15 PPA.
[04:05] <DanaG> Has handy features, but the network stuff is broken.
[04:05] <dtchen> i'm more interested in seeing whether it's a necessary linux quirk update or a pa issue
[04:05] <DanaG> One interesting feature of my sound card, that PA happens to not take advantage of: my ADI1988 card can capture from two different sources, simultaneously.
[04:05] <dtchen> if best buy sells 1030nrs, i can pop into one tomorrow and test
[04:05] <DanaG> ... independently.
[04:05] <Cycom> dtchen: you bet they do :)
[04:05] <DanaG> 1030nrs?
[04:06] <DanaG> what's that?
[04:06] <Cycom> DanaG: HP Mini 1030NR
[04:06] <Zeldarock> guys, I'm at 43 minutes till install finishes
[04:06] <DanaG> ah.
[04:06] <DanaG> Speaking of which, have you seen their glassy-bleu theme?
[04:06] <Cycom> who, HPs?
[04:06] <DanaG> yeah.
[04:06] <crdlb> -_-
[04:07] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[04:07] <Cycom> yeah. their version of ubuntu is very pretty, though it has very few packages in its repo
[04:07] <Cycom> at least, in the MIE or whever it's called edition.
[04:08] <DanaG> hardy-hpmini.
[04:08] <Cycom> DanaG: I wonder if it gets that funky thing with compiz where it looks like the title bar is tearing slightly from the window that I get with dark themese
[04:08] <DanaG> They do interesting things with the gdm theme, too -- nonstandard checkbox element.
[04:08] <Cycom> themes*
[04:09] <DanaG> And they make it so you have to list all modules you want loaded, manually, instead of using modprobe aliases.  That's how they boot so fast.
[04:09] <Cycom> dtchen: I'd be interested to see if this works on my mini 9.
[04:09] <DanaG> I installed a netbook-remix in a vm, then added their repos.  They also disable the themes and wallpapers tabs.
[04:09] <DanaG> If you add just the source repos, you can build the packages for other architectures.
[04:09] <Zeldarock> where can I get that theme?
[04:10] <Cycom> dtchen: I'm not sure if you're actually going to buy a mini 1030nr, but if you do, don't forget to look under all the packaging for the USB flash drive they include.  It's one of those tiny flat ones.  They put it in a special caddy so that it fits into a hole on the right side.
[04:10] <Cycom> it's in a small zip-lock bag.
[04:11] <Cycom> thank goodness I saved the box for a week
[04:11] <dtchen> Cycom: nah, i just go in and boot off a daily-live
[04:11] <Cycom> dtchen: make sure you put it on a flash drive, not a CD :)
[04:11] <DanaG> oh yeah, they have posted their recovery image now.
[04:11] <dtchen> yeah, i have one
[04:11] <dtchen> i've been doing this for years
[04:11] <DanaG> It will only deploy to a USB drive, though -- can't do it from CD.
[04:12] <DanaG> What's the battery life like under Ubuntu on those?
[04:12] <Cycom> dtchen: I figured, but I've learned that sometimes it helps to state something, even if you think it's obvious.
[04:12] <Cycom> DanaG: three-ish hours.
[04:12] <Cycom> DanaG: not spectacular, but still more than enough for my needs.
[04:13] <DanaG> cool.
[04:13] <Cycom> the one odd thing about them is the webcam.  for some reason they designed it for "outdoor use", which means that they put a filter darker than my sunglasses over the camera.
[04:13] <DanaG> I already have my EliteBook, though.  The next thing I'd get wouldn't be a netbook... it'd be an Intel SSD.
[04:13] <Cycom> a little work with a swiss army knife toothpick got the screen bezel off, and a bit more with some tweezers and a knife got that peeled off.
[04:13] <DanaG> And honestly, other brand netbooks may be better values than the HP one, afer all.
[04:13] <Cycom> dtchen: updates finished. rebooting again. back in a flash.
[04:14] <DanaG> s/value/deal/
[04:16] <DanaG> ugh, stupid completely-broken notifications:
[04:16] <DanaG> ** (notify-osd:8724): CRITICAL **: load_icon: assertion `info' failed
[04:16] <DanaG> ** (notify-osd:8724): WARNING **: bubble_recalc_size(): WARNING, no layout!!!
[04:16] <DanaG> ** (notify-osd:8724): WARNING **: WARNING: No layout defined!!!
[04:16] <Cycom> dtchen: rebooted. still no sound.
[04:16] <Cycom> I was really hoping there... :)
[04:17] <DanaG> Here's my laptop: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4631
[04:18] <DanaG> Though I actually specifically opted for ATI, because I know I like to use development versions, and I'd rather have good open-source than sucky open-source drivers.
[04:19] <Cycom> DanaG: I have a Dell E1505, and I have an ATI X1400 and an NVidia GeForce Go 7300 for it. I have the nvidia in it because the nvidia driver works the best out of all.
[04:19] <Cycom> dtchen: what next? should I try model=hp-m4?
[04:20] <DanaG> Ah, you bought both cards?  Interesting.
[04:20] <dtchen> Cycom: ok, thanks. have you tried isolating the jack changes? i.e., cold boot with headphones inserted
[04:20] <DanaG> I could also buy the Quadro alongside mine, but I'm just dealing with the ATI.
[04:20] <Cycom> dtchen: not yet. want me to do that first?
[04:20] <dtchen> Cycom: there should be no need to add the quirk manually; it's already in patch_sigmatel.c for your SSID
[04:21] <dtchen> Cycom: yes, please
[04:21] <Cycom> ok. will reboot with headphones in.
[04:23] <Cycom> dtchen: heaphones in, I HAVE SOUND!
[04:23] <Cycom> however, the speakers do not work with them out.
[04:24] <Zeldarock> DanaG, I'm almost to the Y/N section, what do I look for when pressing D?
[04:24] <DanaG> One thing to check: which config file is it asking about?
[04:24] <dtchen> Cycom: excellent, so it was as i suspected, a jack regression
[04:24] <DanaG> And then check for any specific options you might have set.
[04:24] <dtchen> Cycom: after i fix the bluetooth pairing issues for PA, i'll be looking at the jack regressions from 8.10
[04:24] <Zeldarock> I just had something fail: VirtaulBox kernel module" Fail...
[04:25] <dtchen> so - it's in my TODO
[04:25]  * DanaG wonders why virtualbox does a find | grep in the boot cycle.
[04:25] <DanaG> Adds 1.5 seconds to boot.
[04:25] <Cycom> dtchen: is there any workaround in the mean time, or do I just wait?
[04:25] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/
[04:25] <dtchen> Cycom: you could continue to use 8.10 ;-)
[04:25] <Zeldarock> wha to do about the kernel?
[04:26] <Cycom> dtchen: not really. it was not running well on this little guy.
[04:26] <Cycom> dtchen: I'd rather have no sound and less crashing.
[04:26] <Zeldarock> the differencesa thing showed up, what exactly do I look for?
[04:26] <DanaG> oh yeah, bluetooth audio in linux has never ever worked for me.
[04:27] <dtchen> Cycom: the new jack API is wonky; you may need to plug and unplug headphones to register one actual jack event
[04:27] <Zeldarock> Dana?
[04:27] <DanaG> oh, what file is it, for one?
[04:27] <Zeldarock> I can't make out the stuff
[04:28] <Zeldarock> replace or not?
[04:28] <DanaG> hmm, what package is it in?
[04:28] <Zeldarock> meaning?
[04:28] <DanaG> What package is it processing right now, and asking about?
[04:28] <Cycom> dtchen: what package is the problem with, do you think?
[04:29] <Zeldarock> replace customized configuration file
[04:29] <Zeldarock> what do I do?
[04:29] <DanaG> .... it should tell you WHICH config file it's asking about.
[04:29] <DanaG> That's what I'm asking.
[04:29] <Zeldarock> etc/default/apport
[04:29] <DanaG> ah, should be safe to say yes, then.
[04:30] <Zeldarock> repalce?
[04:30] <DanaG> Probably it's enabling apport by default now.  Or disabling it by default now.
[04:30] <DanaG> Yeah, should be safe to replace.
[04:31] <dtchen> Cycom: without a doubt, `linux'
[04:31] <Zeldarock> am I going to have to answer to anything else? probably not huh...
[04:31] <Cycom> dtchen: you mean the kernel module?
[04:32] <dtchen> Cycom: it's a jack regression; between 1.0.17 and 1.0.18, there was a huge jack event-reporting overhaul, and it broke quite a few things like internal {d,}mic jack enablement and line-out/hp jack event reporting
[04:32] <dtchen> Cycom: `linux' is the name of the source package containing the ALSA drivers
[04:33] <dtchen> (not to be confused with `alsa-driver', which we only use to ship `linux-sound-base' and `alsa-base' normally)
[04:34] <dtchen> anyhoo, time for Z then work.
[04:34] <Cycom> k! thanks again dtchen. later :)
[04:36] <ripps> Does anybody here know of a way to check if a file is symlink or not; I'm making a script to automatically remove a symlink directory with another quickly and easily.
[04:45] <Zeldarock> I'm getting some sort of text dump type thing when rebooting after the install
[04:47] <Zeldarock> something went wrong
[04:47] <Zeldarock> help
[04:47] <coty> I just upgraded to 9.04 and installed all the upgrades but once I enabled compiz my window borders disappeared and I can't get them back for some reason. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[04:47] <DanaG> hmm.
[04:47] <DanaG> Kernel panic?
[04:47] <DanaG> Can you boot an old kernel?
[04:47] <Zeldarock> I'm given a message: "Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode"
[04:48] <DanaG> ah, probably broken ATI or nvidia.
[04:48] <Zeldarock> huh?
[04:48] <DanaG> Video drivers.
[04:48] <Zeldarock> help
[04:48] <Zeldarock> real hardware, or virtual?
[04:48] <DanaG> Are you running it in a VM?
[04:48] <Zeldarock> yes
[04:49] <DanaG> Ah, then it'd be the VM guest addition drivers.
[04:49] <Zeldarock> agh
[04:49] <Zeldarock> I choose to run in low graphics mode and I get a blue box with text
[04:49] <Zeldarock> what do I choose? yes or no?\
[04:50] <DanaG> Not sure what you're asking.
[04:50] <Zeldarock> can I save the install?
[04:50] <Zeldarock> or am I going to start from scratch?
[04:50] <coty> I'm guessing no one knows how to fix the windows border problem Im experiencing
[04:50] <DanaG> I think you just have to re-do whatever you did to install the guest additions.
[04:50] <Zeldarock> I can't
[04:50] <Zeldarock> I can't even get inot ubuntu
[04:51] <DanaG> You should be able to log into safe graphics mode.
[04:51] <DanaG> ctrl-alt-f1 to get to terminal -- or in virtualbox, it'd be right-ctrl f1
[04:51] <Zeldarock> the text says "there already appears to be an X server running on dispaly"
[04:51] <DanaG> ah, sounds like GDM is confused.
[04:51] <DanaG> switch to console and sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[04:51] <DanaG> then sudo killall X]
[04:51] <Zeldarock> this is the blue text box with no cursor
[04:51] <DanaG> X
[04:52] <Zeldarock> I'm not even in ubuntu yet
[04:52] <DanaG> If it's at that blue box, then yes, it is booted.
[04:52] <DanaG> The gnome display manager (login window, that is) just has failed.
[04:52] <DanaG> You can switch to a text console and log in there.
[04:53] <coty> How can i change my window manager over to emerald..?
[04:53] <Zeldarock> reinstall geust additions?
[04:55] <Zeldarock> it says "program Xord closed unexpectedly" in the crash report
[04:55] <Zeldarock> *xorg
[04:55] <DanaG> Is it VirtualBox?
[04:55] <Zeldarock> yes
[04:55] <DanaG> you can just go to the menu and select the "install guest additions" menu item.
[04:55] <DanaG> Are you at a desktop now, or at the text login>
[04:55] <Zeldarock> what about the crash report?
[04:55] <Zeldarock> desktop
[04:55] <DanaG> ah, ignore the crash report.
[04:56] <DanaG> You'll want to select that "install additions" menu item, then go to "computer" in the panel and browse to the CD drive.
[04:56] <DanaG> Then open gnome-terminal, and cd to /media/VBOXsomething (not sure of the exact name)
[04:57] <DanaG> and then sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run
[04:57] <Zeldarock> cdrom/media?
[04:57] <DanaG> or x64, if that's what the guest is.
[04:57] <DanaG> yeah, /media/cdrom0, I guess.
[04:57] <Zeldarock> so, whats the full command
[04:57] <DanaG> It'll be easier just to cd to there, than to guess -- I don't remember the exact file name.
[05:00] <Volkodav> anybody runs nightlies.videolan.org/builds 64 bit ?
[05:00] <Volkodav> looks like it is down
[05:01]  * DanaG doesn't bother with VLC.
[05:01] <DanaG> It fails at subtitles.
[05:01] <DanaG> Completely ignores styling and positioning information.
[05:01] <DanaG> =þ
[05:02]  * Volkodav never cared about subtitles
[05:03] <DanaG> ooh, nice themes: v
[05:03] <DanaG> http://francois.vogelweith.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=24
[05:04] <DanaG> Too bad I can't use them -- they look hideous if your panels are not exactly 24 pixels.
[05:04] <DanaG> =þ
[05:05] <Zeldarock> everythings going wrong
[05:06] <Zeldarock> it tells me that greeter application appears to be failing, and tries to default to a different one, but it can't so the message keeps on appearing, I can't move on.
[05:07] <Zeldarock> the gues tools installtion failed apparently
[05:07] <Zeldarock> help
[05:08] <DanaG> hmm, oh yeah, I do have to get ready for bed, and all that -- anyone else want to take over?
[05:08] <Zeldarock> please help
[05:08] <DanaG> if it failed, you're probably missing kernel headers, or something.  It should tell you why.
[05:08] <Zeldarock> I'll try to take over
[05:08] <Zeldarock> the auto resize optiuon is greyed out
[05:09] <DanaG> ah yeah, the vboxvideo driver isn't installed or loaded.
[05:09] <Zeldarock> that's my lithmus test
[05:09] <Zeldarock> help
[05:09] <DanaG> anyway, the virtualbox blog should be able to help.
[05:09] <Zeldarock> it booted in low grpahics mode again
[05:09] <DanaG> er
[05:09] <DanaG> wiki
[05:09] <DanaG> or ask in #vbox
[05:10] <DanaG> Or google for jaunty virtualbox guest
[05:10] <DanaG> those three words together.
[05:12] <Zeldarock> there is no xorg config file
[05:12] <Zeldarock> its black
[05:12] <Zeldarock> *blank
[05:12] <Zeldarock> ...
[05:15] <DanaG> That's to be expected, actually.
[05:15] <DanaG> anyway, I can't do any more right now -- perhaps ask in #vbox
[05:15] <Zeldarock> pelase give me yours
[05:15] <Zeldarock> there's nobody in vbox available
[05:16] <DanaG> hmm, google should be able to help.
[05:16] <DanaG> google for virtualbox xorg.conf
[05:16] <Zeldarock> please give me yours
[05:23] <Jpdota> hey, i just upgraded from intrepid to jaunty (i know it's alpha, it's in a vm for testing), but whenever i boot, it simply gives me a black screen and the "loading" cursor.  does anyone know what the problem is?
[05:35] <Jpdota> there are no errors in the Xorg log
[05:37] <zeldarocks> Jaunty borked my xorg.conf file
[05:38] <zeldarocks> it would boot in low grpahics mode everytime
[05:39] <zeldarocks> will the final release fix this?
[05:49] <Jpdota> ahhh, it seems the error lies in authentication gdm failed
[06:37] <syockit> zeldarocks: it might be the driver you know
[06:56] <lucent> Hey, has OpenOffice stopped working for anyone else?
[06:56] <lucent> I get the splash screen, and then nothing happens
[07:09] <Infecto> [54065.859059] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK
[07:09] <Infecto> [54065.859062] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 70162552
[07:09] <Infecto> [54065.859081] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK
[07:10] <Infecto> [54065.859084] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 70162552
[07:10] <Infecto> hmmm
[07:10] <Jpdota> Infecto: use pastebin for multi-line pastes
[07:10] <joejc> whats new in 9.04?
[07:11] <Jpdota> joejc http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha5
[07:12] <joejc> so nothing worth mentioning?
[07:13] <Jpdota> ext4
[07:13] <joejc> how much better is it?
[07:13] <Jpdota> dunno, google it :P
[07:14] <crdlb> if you have hourly backups, it's great :)
[07:16] <joejc> can anyone use 1 EB of maximum filesystem size and 16 TB of maximum file size?
[07:16] <Jpdota> yes...google.
[07:18] <lucent> Jpdota: not quite
[07:18] <lucent> there's some issues with GFS last I worked for them
[07:18] <Jpdota> :P
[08:03] <Slartibartfast> SO i installed this webkitkde package to let Konqueror use the webkit render engine ... followed the README to make webkit the default .. but this seems not working
[08:04] <Slartibartfast> on localhost it still shows "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/4.2; Linux) KHTML/4.2.1 (like Gecko)"
[08:05] <Slartibartfast> But in View Mode webkit is selected
[08:05] <Slartibartfast> anybody who can confirm this?
[08:06] <lucent> you could try the acid3 test
[08:06] <lucent> heh
[08:07] <Slartibartfast> mmmm ... indeed it gives the 100/100 ...
[08:07] <Slartibartfast> so konqueror lies about what it uses :-P
[08:10] <Slartibartfast> But when KHTML was the default and i used View Mode to view it with webkit i got a different browser identification ...
[08:10] <Slartibartfast> "Mozilla/5.0 (Konqueror/4.2; Linux) AppleWebKit/527+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/419.3)"
[08:11] <crdlb> heh, might as well throw an 'also like Opera, not like IE' in there too
[08:12] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[08:12] <crdlb> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/528.5+) epiphany
[08:15]  * Slartibartfast is going to hotmail and see how it works :-P 
[08:15]  * crdlb has newer webkit than Slartibartfast 
[08:16] <Slartibartfast> WHyyyy ??
[08:17] <Slartibartfast> as expected hotmail through in some javascript error popups .... but also gmail's ajax page won't load :-(
[08:19] <crdlb> unfortuanately, my webkit is webkit-gtk, which is even less mature than webkit-qt :)
[08:20] <Slartibartfast> on acid3 i get the 100/100 score, but it still has the ugly big red warning square over it
[08:20] <crdlb> warning square?
[08:21] <Slartibartfast> yes ... red image ... square ... maybe it's an svg
[08:23] <crdlb> heh, there's about 1 pixel more spacing between 'acid3' and the boxes than in the reference rendering
[08:23] <crdlb> I guess it fails :P
[08:24] <Slartibartfast> :-) ... but the "default" browser identification is hard coded in konqueror? ...
[08:25] <Slartibartfast> i mean alternative it can show webkit, but when as default it falls back to it's "dafault identification"
[08:25] <Slartibartfast> default*
[08:26] <crdlb> maybe it is
[08:26] <Slartibartfast> OK
[09:05] <will-shand> hey
[09:07] <will-shand> anyone else got problems checking mail with KMail? im getting  "Source URL is malformed"
[09:12] <ikonia> is dslbl off line at the moment ??
[09:14] <ikonia> oh wait
[09:14] <ikonia> it's dead !
[09:14] <ikonia> the whole project is dead
[09:16] <Exilant> Hi, in kubuntu jaunty, does system-settings -> advanced -> system/Printer configuration work for any of you?
[09:17] <Exilant> to me it complains about missing kcm-scpk.py, dunno if that is in packaging or just on my system
[09:18] <ikonia> oops
[09:18] <ikonia> didn't realise I was in +1
[09:18] <ikonia> apoloies
[09:34] <Exilant> will jaunty use python 2.6 exclusively? right now some stuff(python-kde4, kubuntu-desktop) still depends on 2.5, and that probably causes some problems
[09:34] <lucent> huh?
[09:35] <GooD2KnoW> is jackalope working fine? how are the chances that an upgrade will break my system? :)
[09:35] <GooD2KnoW> *upgrading*
[09:35] <lucent> chances are good that a distro upgrade will have unintended side-effects
[09:36] <lucent> it's alpha
[09:36] <crdlb> Exilant: eventually, yes
[09:36] <lucent> when jaunty gets a release, alpha -> release will be unsupported
[09:36] <lucent> so you're effectively going to gaurantee yourself a full reinstall
[09:36] <GooD2KnoW> yeah .. but the basics should work .. i hope :)
[09:36] <lucent> just letting you know how it is
[09:36] <Exilant> crdlb: ok, thanks.
[09:37] <Exilant> won't file it all as a bug then.
[09:37] <lucent> prayer is not enough to make this stuff work like you pretend to will it to do things
[09:37] <Exilant> GooD2KnoW: it works here, with some flaws.
[09:38] <lucent> i.e. OpenOffice is b0rk here
[09:38] <Exilant> but a lot better than ibex final (kubuntu) worked for me
[09:38] <lucent> sound is b0rk
[09:38] <GooD2KnoW> that would be ok :)
[09:38] <lucent> ext4 is b0rk, under heavy usage it results in data loss
[09:38] <GooD2KnoW> what about the speed? is it really faster than ibex?
[09:38] <lucent> modules are compiled in now that cause b0rk, notably ipv6
[09:39] <Exilant> don't have ibex, but it's not really slow
[09:39] <lucent> it's noticably slower at web browsing and dns lookups in some setups
[09:40] <lucent> the ecryptfs beginnings do not gracefully handle out-of-diskspace conditions, leading to dataloss
[09:41] <lucent> I cannot think of a decent reason to suggest that you upgrade to jaunty alpha 5, and certainly not on a production machine if that's what you intend
[09:41] <GooD2KnoW> hm yeah .. i want to upgrade my workstation to alpha 5  :)
[09:42] <GooD2KnoW> just interested
[09:42] <lucent> the live cd is an interesting recovery environment though
[09:42] <lucent> take me seriously when I say, back up your damn computer data :)
[09:43] <GooD2KnoW> hehe okay
[09:44] <lucent> jaunty alphas have eaten my $HOME nearly 10 times to date
[09:44] <GooD2KnoW> lol
[09:45] <lucent> very nearly killed my LCD controller twice
[09:50] <Exilant> well, jaunty has been better to me :)
[09:51] <Exilant> no data loss, no broken hardware
[09:52] <GooD2KnoW> *9 minutes left*
[09:53] <lucent> I do my part to break this shit (and report the bugs)
[09:54] <lucent> that's all I can do.
[10:29] <GooD2KnoW> *18 minutes left*
[10:29] <GooD2KnoW> lol :)
[11:08] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu jaunty says: mysqld can't start
[11:08] <yao_ziyuan> where is the log of mysqld?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> yao_ziyuan: /var/log somewhere
[11:16] <yao_ziyuan> gnomefreak: yes, but /var/log/mysql.log and /var/log/mysql.err are both empty
[11:16] <yao_ziyuan> i assume it will be fixed in the final release...
[11:16] <gnomefreak> yao_ziyuan: well i'm guessing since it cant start you get no error
[11:17] <yao_ziyuan> right...
[11:17] <yao_ziyuan> gnomefreak: can i manually start it?
[11:18] <oCean_> yao_ziyuan: mysql error msg might be in syslog: "grep -i mysql /var/log/syslog"
[11:18] <gnomefreak> yao_ziyuan: try using /etc/init.d/
[11:18] <hggdh> sudo invoke-rc.d mysql start
[11:19] <yao_ziyuan> oCean_: result: http://pastebin.com/m2da590fa
[11:20] <yao_ziyuan> hggdh: says:
[11:20] <yao_ziyuan>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                                                                     [fail]
[11:20] <yao_ziyuan> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[11:21] <oCean_> yao_ziyuan: yuck, it says /usr/bin/mysqladmin, no such file or dir
[11:21] <yao_ziyuan> oCean_: so how do i fix it?
[11:21] <oCean_> is there really no mysqladmin?
[11:21] <oCean_> type "which mysqladmin"
[11:22] <yao_ziyuan> oCean_: no there isn't
[11:22] <yao_ziyuan> "which ..." returns empty
[11:22] <yao_ziyuan> so should i install "mysql"?
[11:22] <oCean_> yao_ziyuan: I missed the part where you explained your problem. But my guess is, you do have mysql-server installed?
[11:23] <oCean_> 'cause I think the mysqladmin program (which controls the startup etc) comes with that package
[11:23] <yao_ziyuan> no i don't
[11:23] <yao_ziyuan> now i'm installing it
[11:23] <oCean_> yao_ziyuan: aha.
[11:24] <yao_ziyuan> ok. now started.
[11:24] <oCean_> yao_ziyuan: but there is an /etc/init.d/mysql script? I would think that comes from the mysql-server package too...
[11:24] <hggdh> mysqladmin should be under mysql-client
[11:24] <oCean_> hggdh: Aha!
[11:25] <yao_ziyuan> it installed these for me: libdbd-mysql-perl libdbi-perl libnet-daemon-perl libplrpc-perl mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server mysql-server-5.0
[11:25] <oCean_> yao_ziyuan: that should do it :)
[11:25] <oCean_> still wondering though how you had the /etc/init.d/mysql script.
[11:25] <hggdh> makes sense. It is always easier to start something that has been installed ;-)
[11:25] <hggdh> perhaps a previous install?
[11:26] <hggdh> cuz /etc/init.d/mysql should be installed by mysql-server
[11:26] <yao_ziyuan> oCean_: there is such a file. do you want its content?
[11:26] <oCean_> yao_ziyuan: nope. no need
[11:30] <yao_ziyuan> i upgraded from kubuntu 8.10 to kubuntu jaunty alpha with latest updates via sudo update-manager -d
[11:31] <yao_ziyuan> maybe it didn't or failed to install mysql-server/client
[11:33] <hggdh> I think at one point in time you did have mysql installed, and then (perhaps on the upgrade) it got uninstalled
[11:36] <VSpike> Howdy.  My google-fu is failing me on this one.  After coming back from screensaver, the focused app will not accept keyboard until I switch away from it and back again (with Alt-Tab, which still works!)
[11:36] <VSpike> Anyone seen this or similar?
[11:36] <VSpike> This is true even when I only have one app running
[11:36] <VSpike> Or one window in the window list
[12:14] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  changing GNOME theme hasn't worked properly on this laptop since Intrepid, without or without compiz.  GTK2 colors are not applied and window themes change bitmaps but not colors.  any idea on how to debug this?
[12:33] <VSpike_> Howdy.  My google-fu is failing me on this one.  After coming back from screensaver, the focused app will not accept keyboard until I switch away from it and back again (with Alt-Tab, which still works!)
[12:33] <VSpike_> Anyone seen this or similar?
[12:33] <VSpike_> This is true even when I only have one app running
[12:35] <theholyduck> this is what happens when you dont use a wm with mouse over focus i guess :P
[12:41] <VSpike> :)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> i've not seen that, and don't use focus on mouse
[12:41] <VSpike> The thing is the, window appears to have focus
[13:08] <Exilant> in kubuntus konsole, i can create deifferent profiles, for ssh, python, etc. i can mark them as visible, but they always disappear again and i have to mark them as visible again after a restart. Is this somehow intended or broken?
[13:53] <Ienorand> Anyone know when kernel is going to be bumped next in jaunty?
[13:54] <Eruaran> bumped ?
[13:54] <Eruaran> I had a kernel update yesterday
[14:16] <repete> I noticed with the latest updates for Jaunty aptitude wants to remove libmono1.0*
[14:16] <repete> Anyone know if that is because we are transitioning all Mono apps to 2.0?
[14:16] <Eruaran> sounds good to me :D
[14:16] <Eruaran> I'd rather purge mono
[14:17] <repete> Eruaran: I'm sure it does, but I use packages that require Mono, like Tomboy, F-Spot and Banshee :-)
[14:17] <Eruaran> me neither
[14:17] <Eruaran> I don't use any of them
[14:18] <GooD2KnoW> upgraded to jaunty :) ... nearly all is working fine .. but compiz isnt working .. / no window decorators ... any tips?
[14:18] <charlie-tca> GooD2KnoW: restart the system?
[14:18] <GooD2KnoW> ive done that several times :)
[14:19] <GooD2KnoW> still no borders / window bars
[14:20] <repete> GooD2KnoW: did you keep your home directory?
[14:20] <GooD2KnoW> yeah
[14:20] <repete> GooD2KnoW: did you try (from the command line) something like `compiz --replace`
[14:21] <GooD2KnoW> repete, have done that, but still no  borders etc.
[14:21] <GooD2KnoW> it says xgl not present
[14:22] <repete> GooD2KnoW: did you run `glxinfo`?
[14:22] <GooD2KnoW> nope
[14:22] <GooD2KnoW> just a sec
[14:23] <repete> $ glxinfo | grep -i rendering
[14:23] <repete> direct rendering: Yes
[14:26] <GooD2KnoW> direct rendering: Yes
[14:29] <scizzo-> xgl?
[14:29] <scizzo-> have you tried without using xgl at all?
[14:29] <scizzo-> might be that xgl is broken for xserver
[14:30] <GooD2KnoW> i just want the default compiz setup to work =)
[14:30] <scizzo-> GooD2KnoW: try to disable xserver-xgl then and see if you can get it working
[14:32] <scizzo-> and yes you have to restart X for it to work...
[14:32] <scizzo-> that is so X reloads the xserver setup
[14:33] <Eruaran> ctrrl+alt+backspace doesn't work for me atm
[14:34] <GooD2KnoW> nor for me .. even alt+tab isnt working
[14:34] <Eruaran> heh
[14:34] <Eruaran> alt+tab works fine for me
[14:35] <Eruaran> man... coverswitch has gotten so smooth... schweet
[14:44] <repete> Eruaran: I believe ctrl-al-backspace is disabled
[14:44] <repete> permanently
[14:44] <repete> bbl
[14:46] <Eruaran> what ?
[14:46] <Eruaran> Why on earth for ?
[14:46] <Eruaran> It shouldn't be disabled
[14:47] <danbhfive> Eruaran: new standard
[14:48] <danbhfive> Eruaran: there is some way of re-enabling it, but I can't recall
[14:49] <Eruaran> how is giving people less contol over their systems a "new standard" ?
[14:49] <GooD2KnoW> soo... alt tab is working again :D
[14:49] <GooD2KnoW> wasnt set in the metacity schema
[14:49] <danbhfive> Eruaran: its a new standard because its what is happening upstream
[14:49] <danbhfive> !notes
[14:50] <Eruaran> danbhfive: what is happening upstream ?
[14:50] <GooD2KnoW> btw: restarting x: alt + print + k
[14:50] <Eruaran> k
[14:50] <hggdh> Eruaran, there was a long discussion about it on the devel and deve-discuss ML. You might want to read it
[14:50] <Eruaran> ok
[14:50] <danbhfive> Eruaran: there is a note in the alpha5 link in the topic
[14:51] <Eruaran> danbhfive: ok
[14:53] <picklesworth> Hi... does anyone here use Workrave?
[14:54] <Eruaran> hggdh: can u give me a link ?
[14:57] <hggdh> Eruaran, yes, give me a bit
[14:57] <Eruaran> thanks
[14:58] <genii> !info workrave
[14:59] <genii> Interesting
[14:59] <hggdh> Eruaran, it started here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027299.html . Be aware it is a long read
[14:59] <Eruaran> thanks hggdh
[15:01] <picklesworth> Indeed :) I've noticed that its recent version is a complete UI disaster, creating at least two (and on some occasions three) panel applets / windows at once for no good reason, where closing any quits the entire app. It wasn't like that before, and nobody else seems to have noticed, so I'm wondering if it's a compatibility issue
[15:01] <Ienorand> Oh, has jaunty moved away from *.27 yet?
[15:01] <hggdh> .27 what? kernel?
[15:01] <Ienorand> yea
[15:01] <hggdh> a long time ago...
[15:02] <hggdh> (in alpha times, that is)
[15:03] <Ienorand> hggdh: um, what is the current then?
[15:04] <oCean_> Ienorand: 2.6.28-8
[15:05] <hggdh> and 2.6.29 RC5 is available from  PPA for *tests* only. I will not be in final Jaunty, AFAICR
[15:06] <Ienorand> oCean_: and has it been upgraded since the 09march daily build?
[15:06] <oCean_> Ienorand: not sure
[15:06] <hggdh> latest is 2.6.28-9.29
[15:06] <oCean_> ah, ok
[15:07] <hggdh> fresh out of the oven
[15:07] <hggdh> er, hot out of the oven
[15:07] <oCean_> I like those :)
[15:10] <repete> ek
[15:17] <GooD2KnoW> okay.. compiz is working again :D
[15:18] <GooD2KnoW> the login screen is really nice .. is there a theme with this style? :)
[15:18] <Ienorand> How do you check the kenrel version history for jaunty, never relly got that organisation in launchp
[15:19] <Ienorand> GooD2KnoW: No, which is one of the problems, it looks too "odd".
[15:19] <GooD2KnoW> hmm okay. so i will be using mac4lin again :)
[15:24] <ArcSighter> hello, I'm experience with jaunty A5 the same issue I've experienced with intrepid, it's incredibily slow and I'm getting load averages of 2 .3 standard, with huge ups up to 15, do you guys know how I( can determine the source of the problem? Maybe hardware based, maybe a software, I don't know...
[15:25] <Pici> ArcSighter: Check what top says when you're seeing these load issues.
[15:25] <ArcSighter> ok, wait
[15:25] <ArcSighter> I normally get firefox consuming a lot, but equally to hardy, and the machine wasn't freezing
[15:27] <ArcSighter> here's my current isn't that slow by now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129360/
[15:28] <ArcSighter> Pici: did you check?
[15:28] <ali1234> ArcSighter: i get that kind of thing when i've been running for days on end
[15:29] <ali1234> but my machine is really old
[15:29] <Pici> ArcSighter: xorg can get that much cpu usage if you're not using hardware acceleration
[15:29] <Ienorand> Where can I find the former ubuntu login screen?
[15:29] <ArcSighter> Pici: you mean drivers for my card, they're installed, I think
[15:30] <ArcSighter> ali1234: I'm giving my pc the same uptimes I gave to hardy, and wasn't experiencing this
[15:30] <ali1234> yeah same here... i just figured it was time to buy a new computer :)
[15:31] <ali1234> it seems to me that the main culprit is firefox, especially if you leave open pages with many flash adverts and stuff like that
[15:32] <ArcSighter> ali1234: I've heard about that
[15:32] <ArcSighter> Pici: the output of glxinfo http://paste.ubuntu.com/129363/
[15:35] <ArcSighter> so any clues>?
[15:35] <Pici> ArcSighter: I'm not sure, sorry.
[15:35] <Ienorand> How do you configure the appearance and behaviour of update manager (getting rid of the #¤%&/!! popups and getting the icons back)?
[15:36] <ArcSighter> ok I'll move my question to #ubuntu
[15:40] <Ienorand> Is there noone who can give me any hints on this? Have they just changed the behaviour and completely given the finger to everyone who doesn't want it?
[15:41] <danbhfive> lenorand: I think there is a setting in gconf somewhere
[15:42] <Ienorand> danbhfive: Thank you. Will check out.
[15:43] <danbhfive> !logs
[15:44] <picklesworth> Ienorand: they seem fairly convinced it's the right way. maybe it would be if Metacity / Compiz had nice ways to treat unimportant windows, eg. getting them out of the same stack all your work is in... You can uncheck auto_launch in gconf: /apps/update-notifier... or change the number of days between it opening automatically
[15:44] <Ienorand> danbhfive: Okay, I can turn off the popup behaviour there, but that will leave me with no notifications whatsoever...
[15:45] <picklesworth> I feared that :/
[15:45] <Ienorand> picklesworth: I want my gmbhg icons back! Waaaah!
[15:45] <picklesworth> Ienorand: Probably bug-report worthy. It should fall back gracefully if it's an option.
[15:46] <picklesworth> Just don't mention the war :P
[15:46] <danbhfive> lenorand yeah, thats all I've heard about.  I don't know
[15:48] <Ienorand> ... yea, though I'm frankly quite pissed about it :)
[15:50] <Ienorand> Oh, hang on! If disabling auto_launch I do get at least the "updates available" icon back, wohoo!
[15:51] <marijus> /msg NickServ identify marijus73
[15:51] <picklesworth> yay!
[15:52] <danbhfive> marijus: yes, we all saw that
[15:53] <picklesworth> Hm.. is upstream's new volume control in the repositories somewhere, or will I have to recompile gnome-media?
[15:54] <Amaranth> picklesworth: check what packages come from gnome-media
[15:54] <Ienorand> And the restart required icon popped back as well, now I'm euphoric!
[15:55] <Ienorand> :D
[15:55] <picklesworth> lenorand: I've never seen someone happy about restarting their computer :P
[15:55] <Amaranth> picklesworth: looks like recompile though
[15:55] <picklesworth> aye, it does :(
[15:56] <Amaranth> good, marijus changed their pasword
[15:56] <Amaranth> password*
[15:56] <picklesworth> yah, the Devices page must have been hacked back into sound preferences from source, too, judging by the backwards look of the thing
[15:57] <Ienorand> picklesworth: Heh, means I can still have ubuntu working the way I want it, which is enough for celebration : )
[16:19] <Ienorand> Where can I find the version history and changes for the jaunty kernel?
[16:20] <Amaranth> Ienorand: changelogs.ubuntu.com
[16:22] <rsteenwyk1> I just upgraded to 9.04 for the fun of it, but now VirtualBox is giving me an error when I try to boot up my XP Guest. It tells me to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup as root, which I do, but that gives me an error as well, tells me to look at /var/log/vbox-install.log. The log shows "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv: 342: /usr/share/virtualbox/src/vboxdrv/build_in_tmp: not found"
[16:22] <rsteenwyk1> any idea what I should do to fix that?
[16:24] <picklesworth> Hooray! It's actually pretty easy to build gnome-media from source (just make sure you put it in /usr/local to avoid bumping in to the stuff from the repos). Now if only there was a PPA...
[16:43] <Ienorand> Okay... so where in the mess that is changelogs.ubuntu.com do I find the kenrel version history for jaunty?
[16:45] <Ienorand> No... looking at the dates, it isn't actually there...
[16:55] <BUGabundo> hi guys! what's new?
[16:55] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: ping
[16:56] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: pong
[16:56] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: congrats on entering the Americas team
[16:56] <charlie-tca> Thanks.
[16:56] <oCean_> hmm
[16:57] <oCean_> do you have a link for lsmod from /sbin to the actual executable in /bin? Mine is missing
[16:58] <oCean_> or was until I linked it
[17:30] <kneeki> Anyone use Synergy with Ubuntu 9.04?
[17:42] <DPic> Is there any reason why Jaunty wouldn't work on iMacs?
[17:45] <digitaloktay> hi
[17:45] <digitaloktay> da gibt es ein bug oder? hab gestern jaunty installiert und hab ein update gemacht inkl. kernel auf 2.6.28-8 generic, danach kam ein kernel panic nach dem neustart
[17:46] <digitaloktay> so jetzt afflux
[17:46] <digitaloktay> :)
[17:46] <afflux> digitaloktay: .... you failed
[17:46] <thiebaude1> !de
[17:46] <digitaloktay> naia brb
[17:46] <DPic> I've been trying to install jaunty on an iMac. I've tried booting from a separate partition, a usb stick, and both 32-bit and 64-bit install CD's
[17:47] <DPic> the 64-bit cd doesn't seem to detect the keyboard, but both of them load enough for me to get a mouse cursor which turns into the spinning thing, but it freezes there
[17:48] <DPic> i was looking through the jaunty 5 caveats but none of them looked like they would be causing this
[17:49] <Pici> Are iMacs PPC?
[17:49] <DPic> not the new ones
[17:49] <DPic> they ditched PPC a while ago (sorta)
[17:50] <genii> Any intel based macs should just be able to use the i386 versions (although may need efi grub versions)
[17:51] <DPic> genii: there is no special version for efi grub... that's a separate issue
[17:51] <DPic> i've been using the right version
[17:51] <DPic> i don't think i would've even gotten a mouse if i wasn't
[17:52] <DPic> i had tried with alpha 4 but gave p figuring it would be fixed by alpha 5 but it still doesn't work
[17:52] <gnomefreak> it should be the same as running 386 on PC although not sure if they dropped yaboot or not
[17:54] <DPic> gnomefreak: isn't yaboot just for PPC?
[17:54] <gnomefreak> DPic: your best to file a bug on that its kind of important although i barely use mouse
[17:54] <DPic> alright
[17:54] <gnomefreak> DPic: not sure i dont own a new one. I'm not sure what they use, it would be related to file system more so than PPC
[17:55] <DPic> the new ones use EFI
[17:55] <DPic> but i have refit installed which worked fine for intrepid (i *did* have intrepid i386 installed just fine)
[17:56] <gnomefreak> DPic: it wasnt broke enough for you? you thought you needed more of a challenge?
[17:57] <mnemo> an updated "anjuta" package fails to install for me in jaunty... is this a known problem? is there a workaround?
[17:57] <ljuwaidah> perfect
[17:57] <ljuwaidah> will 9.04 support fingerprint authentication?
[17:57] <DPic> does anybody have an iMac to test the liveCD out on? (not even install)
[17:58] <afflux> mnemo: can we see logs please?
[17:58] <euxneks> if my desktop freezes, where would I find the logs for that?
[17:58] <EagleScreen> ljuwaidah I dude it
[17:59] <euxneks> i.e. my mouse works fine but I cannot change to terminals
[17:59] <ljuwaidah> EagleScreen: you dude it?
[17:59] <gnomefreak> perfect == everything building fine everything uploding no problems nad me sitting back with a mixed drink watching IRC
[17:59] <euxneks> so my keyboard isn't working plus the desktop won't load but my mouse will continue to move
[17:59] <EagleScreen> ljuwaidah yes
[18:00] <ljuwaidah> I didn't know dude is a verb
[18:00] <afflux> ljuwaidah: probably not out of the box. but it's possible (afaik) even in older ubuntus.
[18:00] <gnomefreak> marijus: use paastebin to paste the command and output
[18:00]  * gnomefreak thought it was a noun 
[18:00] <EagleScreen> ljuwaidah I mean, Iam almost sure that Kubuntu 9.04 won't support fingerprint reader
[18:01] <afflux> any experiences with notify-osd on wmii?
[18:01] <ljuwaidah> 'cause f11 will have that out of the box so I was wondering if ubuntu will do that too
[18:01] <gnomefreak> EagleScreen: i dont think either will
[18:01] <marijus> gnomefreak: what command?
[18:01] <afflux> I don't see any notifications and can't find a reason why.
[18:01] <mnemo> afflux: http://pastebin.com/m69b0fccc
[18:02] <gnomefreak> marijus: sorry i meant mnemo
[18:02] <gnomefreak> afflux: add the applet you will than see them
[18:02] <afflux> gnomefreak: wmii has no panels :(
[18:02] <EagleScreen> I have heared that OpenSuse has done some form fingerprint
[18:02] <gnomefreak> good point
[18:02] <afflux> mnemo: apt-cache policy anjuta libgbf-1-2
[18:03] <ljuwaidah> I think it's important that we have it 'cause most laptops these days come with fp scanners
[18:03] <afflux> gnomefreak: though that may be the issue. any idea whether it's planned to support non-gnomish window managers?
[18:03] <EagleScreen> there is a Bug in KDE database that request fingerprint support in kdm, it is marked as confirmed by popular demand by votes
[18:03] <gnomefreak> ljuwaidah: ask for it with KK than. if it doesnt suppport it now it wont for final
[18:04] <mnemo> afflux: http://pastebin.com/f3adeebec
[18:04] <ljuwaidah> what's kk?
[18:04] <gnomefreak> afflux: not a clue, I'm not a fan of it at all, but you might want to try devel-discuss mailing list from lists.ubuntu.com
[18:05] <gnomefreak> ljuwaidah: Jaunty+1
[18:05] <afflux> gnomefreak: alright, thanks!
[18:05] <ljuwaidah> Ah!
[18:05] <afflux> mnemo: thats bug 338464
[18:05] <gnomefreak> yay only 2000k more to go :)
[18:05] <afflux> mnemo: you can workaround it by sudo dpkg --purge libgbf-1-2
[18:06] <ljuwaidah> how about out of the box support for tablets?
[18:06]  * gnomefreak happy now brb smoke
[18:06] <DPic> gnomefreak: alrighty, i reported it as bug 340652
[18:07] <Haegin> hi, I am having major issues with compiz and an nvidia card in the latest alpha
[18:07] <Haegin> are these issues documented anywhere?
[18:07] <DPic> Haegin: i think everyone is having the same issues. i haven't looked into it but i assume it'll be fixed
[18:07] <mnemo> afflux: it says "dependency problems - not removing" ??
[18:07] <ljuwaidah> I guess not many people have tablets
[18:07] <BUGabundo> Haegin: +1
[18:07] <Haegin> DPic: any way to fix it manually?
[18:08] <ljuwaidah> but can you guys at least include a linuxwacom package?
[18:08] <afflux> mnemo: huh. what depends on it?
[18:08] <DPic> Haegin: sorry, i haven't looked into it. i don't care too much about compiz. i only use it to show off =]
[18:08] <mnemo> afflux: http://pastebin.com/f3fcc7c8e
[18:08] <ljuwaidah> maybe one that modifies xorg.conf, too
[18:08] <Haegin> DPic: ok, I'm not majorly bothered apart from the fact that the default install ends up with no window manager because of it
[18:09] <afflux> ljuwaidah: I remember seeing some support for wacom tablets, iirc even out of the box
[18:09] <DPic> Haegin: ah yeah, i'm sure that'll be fixed
[18:09] <ljuwaidah> afflux: it doesn't work on mine
[18:09] <afflux> mnemo: dpkg --purge libgbf-1-dev libgbf-1-2
[18:10] <ljuwaidah> I have to compile linuxwacom from source, copy the .so file and modify xorg.conf for it to work
[18:10] <DPic> anybody have an intel iMac to try to reproduce bug 340652 on?
[18:10] <mnemo> afflux: http://pastebin.com/f63e0fd82
[18:11] <gnomefreak> mnemo: mnemo what was the install error?
[18:11] <afflux> mnemo: err...
[18:11] <afflux> mnemo: bug 338464
[18:11] <afflux> gnomefreak: ^
[18:11] <afflux> sry
[18:11] <gnomefreak> afflux: i see it thanks
[18:11] <gnomefreak> as its pushed again
[18:11] <gnomefreak> damnit
[18:11] <gnomefreak> wrong channel
[18:12] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: lol
[18:12] <afflux> mnemo: I think "aptitude remove libgbf-1-2 libgbf-1-dev" might work.
[18:13] <mnemo> afflux: its removing all of gnome-devel now
[18:14] <afflux> huh
[18:14] <afflux> mnemo: err, fire up aptitude and ask it to update anjuta and remove libgbf-1-2.
[18:15] <gnomefreak> DPic: i assigned it to correct package. thanks for filing with us today we will get to it sometime after christmas j/k
[18:15] <ljuwaidah> I gtg, thank y'all
[18:16] <DPic> gnomefreak: isn't ubiquity just the installer itself? the LiveCd didn't get that far
[18:17] <gnomefreak> DPic: its either that or d-i. since you were using live cd assuming you were in livecd when failure it wont by d-i
[18:17] <gnomefreak> d-i is background to ubiquity
[18:18] <mnemo> afflux: I said "yes" to removing all of gnome-devel before, but then I reinstalled it afterwards... however, then update-manager crashed and then I relaunched update-manager and then it said I had I new update and that was libgbf and then that failed to install and then I pressed "CHECK" and then I got 9 more updates through a dist-upgrade (new kernel etc)
[18:18] <mnemo> afflux: anyway I _think_ it will work after this, thanks
[18:19] <afflux> mnemo: uh oh. sry for inconvenience ;)
[18:19]  * gnomefreak wonders why everyone is getting new kernels 
[18:19] <gnomefreak> are you sure it wasnt just restricted-modules for kernel?
[18:20] <mnemo> afflux: no problem, I got a stable intrepid machine as well so im not too bothered when the jaunty box barfs
[18:21] <mnemo> omg this is a bad way, with the new updates xorg fails to start.. :O .xsession-errors says "bad fb number"
[18:22] <mnemo> -w+d
[18:23] <gnomefreak> who was the fingerprint scanner person?
[18:24] <mnemo> he left, ljuwaidah I think
[18:25] <gnomefreak> yeah :( yes ther eis fp scanning support if you see him again
[18:32] <DPic> couldn't jockey detect available open source drivers? i suggest this in bug 340669
[18:33] <crdlb> DPic: well, any open source drivers will generally be installed already
[18:42] <BUGabundo> gym
[18:42] <BUGabundo> see you guys tomorrow
[18:42]  * Exilant wonders with gnomefreak
[18:49] <EagleScreen> gnomefreak where did you find that information about fingerprint support?
[18:51] <Haegin> I just updated and had major trouble when I came back to login - my session was only lasting <10 seconds apparently due to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-localhost which seems to set the xhost permissions on the display
[18:52] <Haegin> I fixed the problems when I altered the line starting xhost +si... to xhost +si:localuser:`id -un` (without the trailing >& /dev/null)
[19:07] <EagleScreen> will 9.04 use UsplashSmooth??
[19:07] <fosco__> EagleScreen, don't think so
[19:09] <J-_> Does Jaunty support SSE optimzation, and will it work with my GM965 chipset? A program I want to compile says I can enable the option if needed.
[19:10] <crdlb> SSE is a CPU thing
[19:11] <J-_> oh
[19:11] <crdlb> but yes, it is supported
[19:11] <J-_> awesome. thanks dude. :) cheers.
[19:26] <gnomefreak> EagleScreen: libpam-thinkfinger - PAM module for the STMicroelectronics fingerprint reader
[20:03] <DPic> who was complaining about not being able to log in because of "bad fd number"?
[20:03] <DPic> i just updated and i'm getting that now too
[20:04] <DPic> had to use failsafe gnome to log in
[20:04] <DrHalan> did the speed of the "ati" driver improve in jaunty?
[20:07] <DPic> dunno. are you asking because oyu noticed a speed improvement, or because it was slow in intrepid?
[20:10] <Amaranth> DPic: He is probably asking because he wants to know if he can complain about fglrx not supporting his card anymore :P
[20:10] <Amaranth> DrHalan: expect 50-70% the speed of fglrx
[20:10] <Amaranth> and don't expect it to ever get better
[20:10] <DPic> Amaranth, ah. do you have any idea what this "bad fd number" is about?
[20:11] <Amaranth> DPic: nope, haven't seen that one
[20:11] <DrHalan> Amaranth: yeah exactly. It is slow as hell in intrepid
[20:11] <Amaranth> sounds like some app is trying to pass a fd number to another process and something is going wrong
[20:11] <mnemo> DPic: yeah, its a known bug
[20:12] <mnemo> xorg is broken right now on all graphics cards due to a typo in a xsession bash startup script
[20:12] <mnemo> DPic: if you want to locally workaround this problem, find the filename of the script (it starts with 60x11 something) and then edit that file as a super user and remove the >& token from the last line
[20:13] <DPic> cool thanks
[20:13] <mnemo> dpic: the fix is commited though and should hit the repo very soon
[20:13] <DPic> i'm also noticing that when i add backgrounds, they disappear when i restart
[20:13] <DPic> is that a separate bug?
[20:13] <mnemo> not seen that one
[20:13] <DPic> mind testing it out for me?
[20:14] <DPic> just go to change desktop background and select any image on your computer
[20:14] <DPic> after restarting, it's gone
[20:14] <DrHalan> so why isnt the speed of ati improving?
[20:14] <mnemo> dpic: reboot or just re-login?
[20:15] <Amaranth> DrHalan: to get near fglrx speeds they'd have to do special tuning for each and every different model of ati card
[20:15] <DrHalan> don't they?
[20:15] <Amaranth> DrHalan: 50-70% is achievable with generic code
[20:15] <Amaranth> they don't, they write r300 code, r500 code, etc
[20:15] <Amaranth> they don't write X1400 code
[20:16] <DrHalan> why not?
[20:16] <DPic> mnemo, oh damn, never mind it's not a bug. i was adding backgrounds from a partition that wasn't permanently mounted
[20:16] <mnemo> dpic: ok
[20:16] <Amaranth> DrHalan: because it would take ages and it a lot of very hard work
[20:16] <crdlb> because even if you had the resources to do it, you end up as buggy as fglrx :)
[20:16] <Amaranth> it is*
[20:16] <DrHalan> hm
[20:16] <Amaranth> right, and hand tuning for every card is more likely to create bugs
[20:17] <Amaranth> gallium3d might get it up to 70-80% for at least r500 cards
[20:17] <Amaranth> I think the older ones are still more special purpose than generic shader engines and gallium3d would essentially ignore the special purpose hardware and run pure shaders
[20:18] <Amaranth> although there was work to get support for cards that lack certain kinds of shaders so perhaps that is not true anymore
[20:26] <DPic> this isn't jaunty specific, but how do i set a drive to mount automatically?
[20:27] <mnemo> DPic: during the stone age it was done in /etc/fstab I think but maybe there is a better way these days... google for it, sound very common
[20:27] <DPic> i had the chance to do it during installation but i forgott
[20:31] <DPic> seems like i still have to edit fstab
[20:31] <danbhfive> DPic: I think the installer just sets up fstab for you
[20:40] <unixdawg> so when they going to fix gstreamer for user side
[20:41] <eid> Hi, I have problem with logging to ubuntu after installing today's updates. I got this error in xsessions-erros "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-localhost 4: Syntax error: bad fd number"
[20:41] <mnemo> eid: its fixed already and the bugfix has been submitted to archive
[20:42] <mnemo> eid: if you got "main server" configured you should be able to just run "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" to fix it
[20:42] <mnemo> eid: otherwise, as a temporary workaround, remove the ">&" token from the last line in the 60x11-localhost file
[20:43] <eid> mnemo: mnemo : how can I be sure that I am using the main server, I don't have GUI now I am using irssi
[20:45] <euxneks> mnemo, eid haha I was just trying to figure this out when I saw you two talking about it
[20:45] <mnemo> eid: if you're not getting a fixed x11-common package through apt-get upgrade you're probably on some mirror (thats the default)
[20:45] <mnemo> eid: if you're in CLI mode, just edit the file and drop the >& thing
[20:46] <eid> mnemo: I will delete >& only ?
[20:46] <mnemo> yeah or change it to &>
[20:46] <crdlb> just delete the
[20:46] <crdlb> err just delete the &
[20:47] <crdlb> if that script is run by dash, &> won't work either
[20:47] <mnemo> when the next update comes, you should select "choose package maintainers version" anyway
[20:47] <mnemo> crdlb: ah ok
[20:47] <crdlb> well, it'll see it as 'command &', which might be bad
[20:48] <theholyduck> unixdawg, not to mention gstreamer is horrible anyway
[20:48] <eid> mnemo: crdlb Thanks it works :)
[20:48] <theholyduck> and any sane developer wouldnt be using it
[20:48] <bruce89> hmm
[20:49] <crdlb> theholyduck: -_-
[20:49] <unixdawg> but they need to fix what they break
[20:50] <bruce89> what's broken?
[20:50] <mnemo> bruce89: xorg
[20:50] <bruce89> ah, I'll not upgrade that then
[20:51] <eid> I have problem with the usplash, I have wrong colors and resolution. I think I made a mistake when I was using 8.10. I want to remove any setting related to usplash and make fresh install, I tried apt-get purge usplash and it did not work !
[20:52] <unixdawg> gstreamer in user mode
[20:52] <unixdawg> its playing back at double speed
[20:52] <unixdawg> only works when you use apps in sudo mode
[20:53] <theholyduck> unixdawg, i dont really care because as i said. any sane person will just use libav* directly
[20:53] <theholyduck> less chance of stuff cocking up. the ability to include your own UP TO DATE decoder.
[20:53] <theholyduck> and just general betterness
[20:54]  * bruce89 thought ffmpeg didn't bother with API stability
[20:55] <bruce89> not to mention ffmpeg reimplements everything
[20:55] <eid> any idea about usplash ?
[20:55] <theholyduck> bruce89, they dont :P
[20:55] <theholyduck> but its easily fixed by making your app use a staticly linked ffmpeg
[20:55] <theholyduck> and then update it when you feel ready for it
[20:55] <bruce89> that's nice security-wise
[20:56] <theholyduck> bruce89, dynamic linking is hell anyway
[20:56] <theholyduck> there is a REASON anyone even semi profesionall doing stuff for linux includes all the libs they use in the install
[20:56] <Amaranth> theholyduck: you _must_ be an ffmpeg or mplayer developer
[20:56] <Amaranth> theholyduck: everyone else likes releases and dynamic linking
[20:57] <Amaranth> theholyduck: vmware includes a copy of every library it uses but will use the system one if it is available
[20:57] <Amaranth> it's still dynamically linked, they just ship fallback copies of things they link to
[20:58] <theholyduck> Amaranth, am not but i share their views :P
[20:58] <theholyduck> bruce89, the only thing dynamic linking promotes is distros not upgrading their libraries because stuff would break
[20:58] <theholyduck> and you sit there with MORE security holes and less performance
[20:58] <theholyduck> then you got developers using your libs in unintended ways. and abusing bugs in your software. and when you FIX those. they complain because they needed that buggy behavior.
[20:58] <theholyduck> Amaranth, well dynamic linking is GREAT if developers and users were people who didnt cock up
[20:59] <theholyduck> if mistakes never happened. and it was a perfect world
[20:59] <Amaranth> theholyduck: but we don't consider bugs part of the ABI so...strawman
[20:59] <bruce89> gstreamer uses a lot more than just ffmpeg
[20:59] <theholyduck> id be the biggest supporter of dynamic linking
[20:59] <theholyduck> bruce89, and all of it besides ffmpeg is shit
[20:59] <theholyduck> or useless
[20:59] <theholyduck> or both
[21:00] <bruce89> charming
[21:00] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[21:00] <bruce89> however, I don't like Phono
[21:00] <bruce89> an abstraction over an abstraction is too far
[21:01] <theholyduck> Amaranth, but i agree with their releases are stupid policy aswell
[21:01] <theholyduck> the only thing releases does is suck manpower and time that could better be spent doing improvements
[21:01] <Amaranth> theholyduck: we _never_ have two copies of something in the repos
[21:02] <theholyduck> Amaranth, i know. and i think its a retarded policy.
[21:02] <Amaranth> well, except for 32-bit libraries for 64-bit systems
[21:02] <Amaranth> I think it's the only sane way to handle security
[21:02] <theholyduck> Amaranth, actually. your mplayer is built with static libs i think?
[21:02] <theholyduck> as in static libav* atleast
[21:02] <theholyduck> since its over 2 years old
[21:02] <theholyduck> and your ffmpeg libs probaly wouldnt work with it
[21:03] <theholyduck> im guessing you use its included libass and simlar aswell. while shipping a libass package
[21:03] <Amaranth> gah, they did make that change
[21:03] <Amaranth> they should have just dropped mplayer
[21:03] <theholyduck> Amaranth, built from svn. mplayer is easily the best video player on the unix platform
[21:04] <theholyduck> even the 2 year old ubuntu build is a close call compared to the updated rest
[21:04] <Amaranth> ha
[21:04] <Amaranth> mplayer is the most complicated and finicky player I've ever used
[21:05] <crdlb> except that it has no plugin support ...
[21:05] <theholyduck> Amaranth, meh. i got 8 lines of ~/.mplayer/config and i just have thunar run mplayer filename on any video file
[21:05] <theholyduck> and it just works
[21:05] <theholyduck> picks the right audio track, subtitle track, and right vo, etc,etc
[21:05] <bruce89> hmm, #ubuntu-offtopic methinks
[21:05] <theholyduck> crdlb, who really needs it?
[21:05] <Amaranth> yeah, although I doubt the conversation would last long there
[21:05] <crdlb> distros
[21:05] <theholyduck> crdlb, plugins for what anyway?
[21:06] <Amaranth> this is the kind of thing #ubuntu+1 used to be used for, actually
[21:06] <bruce89> incidentally, totem does DVDs now
[21:06] <crdlb> codecs they can't legally include by default?
[21:07] <Amaranth> crdlb: see: all of them
[21:07] <theholyduck> indeed. ubuntu is allready stretching it by packaging ffmpeg
[21:07] <Amaranth> can mplayer play a movie backwards?
[21:07] <Amaranth> like if you drag the slider backwards does it actually show it playing?
[21:07] <Amaranth> same with forwards, really
[21:07] <theholyduck> Amaranth, it hasnt implemented reverse playback no. because thats a pain in the arse to do
[21:07] <theholyduck> and useless
[21:08] <theholyduck> it can SKIP backwards and show the frames it skips to
[21:08] <Amaranth> i find it useful for skipping to a part of a video to watch
[21:08] <theholyduck> and it doesnt have a slider to drag
[21:08] <theholyduck> Amaranth, well thats not playing backwards though
[21:08] <Amaranth> and I think all gstreamer codecs can do it except the ffmpeg ones
[21:08] <theholyduck> its just showing the i frames
[21:08] <theholyduck> and yes. there is a difference
[21:08] <theholyduck> a MAJOR one
[21:08] <Amaranth> i know
[21:09] <Amaranth> gstreamer literally plays the video though
[21:09] <Amaranth> high speed or backwards depending on what direction you're dragging the slider
[21:09] <theholyduck> Amaranth, who the hell has time on their hand to write something as useless as a BACKWARDS frame decoder?
[21:09] <theholyduck> sure writing a system for displaying the iframes as you're dragging the slider is 1 thing
[21:09] <theholyduck> but ACTUAL backwards decoding?
[21:09] <Amaranth> people aiming for an exceptional video playback system
[21:10] <bruce89> more of a media everything system
[21:10] <theholyduck> but ffmpeg allready does basicly any video format ever
[21:10] <theholyduck> add that to mplayer format to use w32/64codecs for the stuff it cant
[21:10] <theholyduck> and i really dont see the need for anything else
[21:11] <theholyduck> mplayers ability :P
[21:11] <Amaranth> don't even get me started on w32codecs
[21:11] <theholyduck> Amaranth, its a dirty evil stupid hack,etc,etc
[21:11] <theholyduck> but it WORKS :P
[21:11] <bruce89> nor is it needed
[21:11] <Amaranth> hacky, slow, buggy, illegal
[21:11] <theholyduck> bruce89, sure it is
[21:11] <Amaranth> and no, not needed
[21:11] <theholyduck> bruce89, you need it to play realmedia
[21:11] <bruce89> not in my experience
[21:11] <theholyduck> atleast some of it
[21:11] <Amaranth> ffmpeg can handle realmedia
[21:12] <theholyduck> Amaranth, not ALL realmedia.
[21:12] <theholyduck> and not the mplayer you ship in ubuntu
[21:12] <Amaranth> and who the hell uses realmedia anymore?
[21:12] <theholyduck> Amaranth, all my old pornos!
[21:12] <theholyduck> etc
[21:12] <bruce89> certainly not the BBC
[21:12] <Amaranth> uh
[21:12] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[21:12] <theholyduck> Amaranth, you cant use the word porno?
[21:13] <Amaranth> It's a very bad thing to be talking about
[21:13] <theholyduck> im not talking about them. just giving a reason
[21:13] <theholyduck> currently just mentioned as a word. not whats in them
[21:13] <theholyduck> you english people are too uppity on what words one can and cant use.
[21:13]  * bruce89 is Scottish
[21:14] <bruce89> our telly's full of swearing mind
[21:14] <theholyduck> its pretty fun to compare movie ratings between us/england and norway.
[21:14] <theholyduck> anything rated 15 in norway will be 18+ in the us
[21:15] <theholyduck> but yeah its a bit offtopic i gues
[21:15]  * bruce89 was saying that
[21:15] <Amaranth> yeah, back to the point
[21:15] <Amaranth> gstreamer is a framework for media
[21:15] <Amaranth> ffmpeg is a bunch of codecs in a library
[21:20] <AmyRose> I'm guessing this is also the channel for Kubuntu Jaunty?
[21:21] <bruce89> !kde
[21:21] <bruce89> probably
[21:21] <euxneks> kubuntu+1 forwards to here so I'm guessing yes
[21:22] <AmyRose> Well, I'm having some Qt 4.5-releated drawing glitches. When I point at toolbar buttons, they look like they're pressed down.
[21:29] <Amaranth> It is the place but no one here actually uses KDE so...
[21:29] <Amaranth> Basically there is no place
[21:35] <euxneks> how does one restart xorg in jaunty now?
[21:36] <euxneks> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart?
[21:37] <jpds> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[21:41] <carl0s-> Does anybody know where per-user X resolution settings are stored? I've dropped the resolution too low and I can't set it back as the screen just stays black with the mouse pointer on there.
[21:41] <Haegin> Ubuntu seems to have an old buggy version of taglib-sharp in the jaunty repos atm, which project should bugs be assigned to?
[21:41] <carl0s-> so gdm looks fine, but once I log in I get 800x600 instead of the 1024x600 that I want.
[21:42] <carl0s-> also I can't actually login normally since last updates, I get "your session lasted less than 10 seconds.. something died" and have to use failsafe gnome session. Anybody else seeing this?
[21:44] <euxneks> update again
[21:44] <euxneks> :)
[21:44] <euxneks> there was a small glitch they've fixed with updates
[21:45] <euxneks> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:47] <firephoto> anyone have any suggestions for changing touchpad settings on kubuntu?
[21:56] <firephoto> ok. does anyone know what to insall from the gnome side to get the configuration utility that exists(?) in the gnome settings for a touchpad?
[21:56] <FaMott> Hmmm, Is the Directory X11 supposed to err... Replicate itself?
[22:06] <FaMott> Like this is /usr/bin/X11 >.> http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k280/Mottmon/lolwut.png
[22:06] <FaMott> (Don't mind the name, it's my reaction to the fact it's duplicated itself TWENTY+TIMES)
[22:08] <hggdh> FaMott, I do not follow you. What do you mean?
[22:08] <FaMott> Did you look at the image?
[22:09] <hggdh> now I did, and this is why I had not follwed you before...
[22:09] <hggdh> wow!
[22:09] <hggdh> no, it is not
[22:09] <hggdh> (supposed to). At all.
[22:10] <gnomefreak> i have to get me one of those ;)
[22:10] <hggdh> :-)
[22:10] <gnomefreak> you only need 1 X11
[22:10] <FaMott> Hmmm, How do I go about getting rid of the others, then?
[22:10] <demon_> i have a question
[22:10] <gnomefreak> i know i read the above, sorry my time to relax after a crap day
[22:11] <demon_> is it true that in 9.04 you can use usb stick as ram? just like in vista
[22:11] <hggdh> well, that is a more complex issue... I would do that out of X
[22:11] <gnomefreak> normally they rename X11.1 ect... maybe not .1 but you know what i mean
[22:11] <Cycom> FaMott: it's a symlink that's recursive.
[22:12] <FaMott> ... Okay, so If I undo the symlink, it'll be alright?
[22:12] <joaopinto> demon_, you can already do that with 8.10, you just need to create a swap partition on the flash device :)
[22:12] <hggdh> then a 'ls -l' should show it
[22:13] <Cycom> FaMott: I would advise against it.
[22:13] <Cycom> it's fine now.
[22:13] <Cycom> why would you mess with that particular symlink?
[22:13] <Cycom> it just points to .
[22:13] <demon_> NOOOOOOOOOOOO joaopinto you need to tell how to do that :D
[22:13] <Cycom> you can see this with ls -ls X11
[22:13] <FaMott> Is it wasting space?
[22:14] <Cycom> FaMott: not in the least.
[22:14] <FaMott> Ok, then I probably don't have to worry about it
[22:14] <demon_> joaopinto, can i PM you :)
[22:16] <LSD200> quick Q - what in ubuntu stops the title bar at the top of apps from showing - just ran a bunch of updates and it's vanished from my apps
[22:16] <Cycom> FaMott: in fact, I suspect it would be BAD to remove that symlink.
[22:17] <FaMott> Probably.
[22:19] <bz0b> hey what version is gnome in jaunty?
[22:20] <bz0b> is it going to be 2.26 for stable release?
[22:21] <gnomefreak> should be
[22:21] <gnomefreak> !info gnome jaunty
[22:22] <gnomefreak> thats not right
[22:22] <gnomefreak> !info gnome-desktop jaunty
[22:22] <FaMott> !info g++
[22:22] <gnomefreak> x11-xfs-utils
[22:22] <gnomefreak> damnit
[22:23] <gnomefreak> version is 2.25.92 its pre 2.26
[22:24] <bz0b> ok thats what i thought
[22:24] <bz0b> thanks gnomefreak
[22:25] <bz0b> gnome is in hard freeze anyways so its pretty much the rc right?
[22:25] <gnomefreak> bz0b: np sorry for the cruft before i didnt get away from here fast enough :(
[22:25] <gnomefreak> right
[22:25] <bz0b> np thanks
[22:26] <LSD200> :/ ok it's a gnome fault i was having in jaunty where no title bars showing
[22:26] <bz0b> is jaunty pretty stable as of now?
[22:26] <crdlb> it varies
[22:26] <gnomefreak> define stable
[22:26] <LSD200> i wouldn't use it for work yet
[22:27] <gnomefreak> much more stable than 2 months ago but still able to break on you
[22:27] <bz0b> as far as everyday use for basic things such as web browsing, watching movies, litsening to music, and an occasional aircrack for proof of concept here or there ;-)
[22:27]  * gnomefreak has some bugs to fix but nothing that cant wait for KK
[22:28] <gnomefreak> firefox has a bug or 100 but ubufox needs to be fixed as it seems to be root cause
[22:28] <gnomefreak> seamonkey sunbird lightning and the rest of my toys are all working fine ;)
[22:29] <bz0b> i see ok well sounds good thanks for the info
[22:29]  * crdlb hopes that one day ephy can be the default with firefox available for people who want it
[22:29]  * bz0b is buring ubuntu 9.04 amd64 as he speaks
[22:29] <bz0b> crdlb: is ephy any good?
[22:29] <gnomefreak> crdlb: thats bee discussed i think it was hardy devel sycle
[22:30] <crdlb> not yet :)
[22:30] <crdlb> well, with it using gecko, it wouldn't make much sense
[22:30] <gnomefreak> its a gnome based gecho browser now choice with webkit
[22:30] <crdlb> but in a cycle or two, once webkit-gtk is mature ...
[22:30] <LSD200> i'll stick with opera
[22:30] <gnomefreak> yeah mature
[22:30] <bz0b> battle of the browsers nice
[22:31] <FaMott> I like Opera >.> but it lacks the extensions I need, all though firefox is starting to yanno, Go bad D:
[22:32] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: it's not a gnome-based gecko browser anymore
[22:32] <gnomefreak> we might get the horrible "firefox is currently open" error or whatever it is. I have a work around for 3.1 but still need to work out kinks
[22:32] <LSD200> opera is good for work and baffles the "IT admin" so all is good and handles e-mail etc much better imho just a shame it's not included
[22:32] <Amaranth> it's a webkit browser with a gecko option that you probably shouldn't use as I don't think anyone makes sure it works
[22:33] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: no? it still uses gecko engine with a choice of webkit
[22:33] <gnomefreak> or vice versa
[22:33] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: the focus is on webkit
[22:33] <bz0b> what is a webkit browser with gecko if i may ask/
[22:33] <Amaranth> Wouldn't surprise me if they dropped gecko support after webkit gets good enough
[22:33] <crdlb> gecko support _is_ dropped
[22:33] <crdlb> in trunk
[22:33] <Amaranth> there you go
[22:34] <crdlb> they've been removing some of the abstractions too
[22:36]  * gnomefreak really starting to hate seamonkey so i will get back to it tomorrow night guys
[22:36] <gnomefreak> i take that back one more thing to finish
[22:36] <bz0b> hey just a question to some of the devs, does ubuntu have a way of being able to compile its packages based upon your system specs in order to get the most out of your system, e.g like gentoo
[22:37] <crdlb> no, because the difference is negligable
[22:37] <Amaranth> bz0b: no but for the few packages where it actually matters that stuff is done at run-time
[22:37] <crdlb> in particular, if you use amd64, you're already dropping all the legacy support
[22:37] <bz0b> crdlb: what do you mean negligable
[22:38] <bz0b> i see, just curious so basiaclly everyone have the same pre-configured bins for whatever version of ubuntu they use
[22:38] <bz0b> i understand that as the ease of access goes, but when it comes to the hard core guys who want to get the most preformance out of there system thats where you loose some possible users
[22:39] <dnyaga> Updated kernel to 2.6.28.29 [regular updates]. Boot on my machine broke. Can boot older kernel [2.6.28.28]
[22:39] <gnomefreak> 2.6.26-9?
[22:40] <gnomefreak> linux-image-2.6.28-9-generic  << the one i couldnt find
[22:40] <LSD200> think 1 of the regular updates has "tweaked" gnome
[22:40] <bz0b> another question, for security purposes isn't using sudo over just having root kind of insecure, considering all someone has to do is get user privledges go sudo, and bam full root access
[22:40] <Amaranth> bz0b: no because they now have to find your username and your password
[22:41] <Amaranth> and sudo logs everything run through it, although sudo -s kind of breaks that
[22:42] <bz0b> Amaranth: right but for the standard user who has one user on the system other than the daemon user accounts, its somewhat insecure
[22:42] <Amaranth> bz0b: How so?
[22:42] <Amaranth> bz0b: they now have to find your username and your password
[22:42] <bz0b> well one rootkit, on a regular user who has wheel access, run a terminal sniffer and gg
[22:43] <dnyaga> Installed: 2.6.28-9.29; Previous: 2.6.28-9.28; Boot with "newer" kernel - dropped into Busybox with a complaint that it cannot find the root device.
[22:44] <gnomefreak> thats the one i getting atm i dont see it being a problem but wont know until morning
[22:44] <digitaloktay> dnyaga, kernel-panic?
[22:45] <gnomefreak> sudo nor su store sensitive data in clear text
[22:45] <dnyaga> Yes. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/340795 for a little more detail.
[22:46] <digitaloktay> yes i had this problem yesterday after update with kernel, too
[22:47] <gnomefreak> dnyaga: do you delete kernels from grub/system when you update one?
[22:47] <gnomefreak> other wise busybox means nothing just boot older kernel
[22:48] <gnomefreak> nevermind i thought you said you cant boot earlier kernel in here but bug report says you can
[22:48] <dnyaga> No, I do not. It was a simple update-reboot. My older kernels are still in place.
[22:48] <gnomefreak> key words "ext4 partitions"
[22:48] <dnyaga> Yes, even now running on 2.6.28.28. 2.6.28.29 is the one that wont boot.
[22:49] <gnomefreak> not yet stable. atm it is a choice but ext3 is default. ext4 should be better in KK at least from what i hear
[22:49] <crdlb> ext4 broke, what a shock :o
[22:50] <dnyaga> Converted my former ext3 partitions when I installed the alpha close to a month ago. Not sure if we should blame ext4 yet though. Working fine with previous 2.6.28 kernels.
[22:51] <gnomefreak> dnyaga: kernel version means nothing other than to track it. a module could break ext4 and not ext3
[22:51] <bruce89> I assume to not bother installing 2.6.28-9 ones, or the ubuntu14 xorg
[22:52] <gnomefreak> 1:7.4~5ubuntu15 works fine
[22:52] <gnomefreak> 14 is behind ;)
[22:53] <dnyaga> OK. Reported it for info sake, happy for now working with whatever kernel boots.
[22:53]  * gnomefreak didnt fix this upstream didnt touch it and asac hadnt gotten to it. more testing tomorrow
[22:54] <bruce89> where's the bug?
[23:01] <durt> hey folks, just upgraded an hour ago, new kernel, new xorg, now Xsession errors out with /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-localhost: 4: Syntax error: Bad fd number. Anybody else see this?
[23:02] <crdlb> update again :)
[23:02] <durt> k
[23:03] <crdlb> if that doesn't work, you can edit that file and remove the '&' in '>&' to get X to start
[23:03] <crdlb> but if you're on the main archive, you should have it
[23:03] <magcius> What version of libtorrent is in the repositories?
[23:03] <durt> crdlb: ok, thx
[23:04] <crdlb> magcius: which libtorrent?
[23:04] <magcius> crdlb, hmm?
[23:04] <crdlb> there's the libtorrent rtorrent uses and there's the libtorrent deluge uses
[23:04] <magcius> crdlb, aren]
[23:04] <magcius> crdlb, aren't they the same?
[23:04] <crdlb> the latter is called libtorrent-rasterbar in ubuntu
[23:04] <crdlb> nope, completely unrelated
[23:09] <CarlFK1> dvgrab ... "": damaged frame near: timecode 00:02:06.04 date 2067.02.15 22:26:25  This means that there were missing or invalid FireWire packets.
[23:09] <CarlFK1> this seems new
[23:09] <CarlFK1> kino is ok though
[23:13] <DanaG> "Regardless of type, a bubble should appear as a rectangle of color #131313 (regardless of theme) with opacity 90%, corner roundness 0.375 em, and a drop shadow of #000000 color and 0.5 em spread. The bubble should blur whatever is behind it with a Gaussian blur of 0.125 em." -- no, no, no!  Hard-coding colors is RUDE!
[23:13] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[23:13] <bruce89> DanaG: yet another nail
[23:13] <DanaG> I really have a bone to pick with apps that say "screw you" to my theme colors.
[23:14] <bruce89> "Black is what Vista does, we need to do that too"
[23:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the new PulseAudio has "flat volumes" -- which I find royally confusing.
[23:16] <melik> xfce 4.6 is so amazing
[23:16] <DanaG>   "When there is a kernel oops, a notification bubble appears asking if you want to send the error to the Kernel Oops Web site: “Always”, “Yes”, “No”, or “Never”. This should totally be an alert box instead."
[23:16] <DanaG> .... totally!
[23:16] <DanaG> =þ
[23:18] <bruce89> DanaG: I used to get a dialogue with "ok" and "cancel" buttons
[23:19] <bruce89> then I switched to gnome-{italian_name}-session
[23:19] <DanaG> stracciatella?
[23:19] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/327427
[23:19] <DanaG> .... should pop up?  No thanks.
[23:20] <DanaG> What if I plug my phone into my laptop to use bitpim.... it'll prompt me to set up mobile broadband?
[23:20] <DanaG> Well, for one, I don't have a data plan.
[23:20] <DanaG> And for another, the setup wizard doesn't even offer Verizon at all!
[23:22] <DanaG> It also happens to give me no notification AT ALL for brightness and volume.
[23:22] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/331311
[23:22] <DanaG> Not even blank now... just plain not there at all!
[23:23] <DanaG> So... not fixed!
[23:23] <bruce89> tell me about it
[23:23] <bruce89> flawed design, worse implementation
[23:24] <Amaranth> heh
[23:24] <Amaranth> good design, buggy implementation
[23:24] <Amaranth> too bad things that want you to do something with them can't automatically be converted to the indicator applet
[23:25] <Amaranth> Although that's not the only use of the indicator applet so...
[23:25] <crdlb> my only issue with notify-osd now is that they insist on changing all the icons to look good with notify-osd
[23:25] <crdlb> so they look horrible with notification-daemon
[23:26] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/331311
[23:26] <DanaG> er
[23:26] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/334809
[23:27] <bruce89> the general design isn't a bad idea, but the actual specifcs are barm
[23:29] <bruce89> and not getting upstream's input is not good
[23:31] <bruce89> shame Fiesty wasn't Forked Fudge
[23:31] <Amaranth> I've never heard of a fudge
[23:31] <Amaranth> What kind of animal is that?
[23:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/338837
[23:32] <bruce89> we had a pet hamster called Fudge
[23:33] <Amaranth> DanaG: that at least is a simple fix
[23:33] <Amaranth> DanaG: put the images in the hicolor theme
[23:34] <DanaG> Check out these themes:
[23:34] <DanaG> http://francois.vogelweith.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=3&Itemid=14
[23:34] <Amaranth> oh, even better, that's a bug in the build script
[23:34] <Amaranth> they're already being installed somewhere theme-agnostic
[23:34] <bruce89> taking their time to fix it
[23:34] <DanaG> They're nice... but since they assume 24-pixel panels, they look horrible with bigger panels.
[23:35] <Amaranth> DanaG: I can't read any of that
[23:35] <DanaG> The pictures are what matter, not the words.  =þ
[23:35] <Amaranth> not if I want to install them
[23:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, they give you an apt source line.
[23:36] <DanaG> oh yeah, and another thing with notify-osd: it's horribly laggy.
[23:37] <FaMott> sudo mount /dev/sda1
[23:37] <FaMott> mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[23:37] <FaMott> That... may be an issue o.O
[23:37] <DanaG> Try hitting volume-up and volume-down repeatedly.
[23:37] <DanaG> ... and while it lags, it eats CPU, too.
[23:37] <Amaranth> huh, nothing shows up at all anymore
[23:37] <Amaranth> oh, right
[23:37] <Amaranth> sudo mv /usr/share/notify_osd /usr/share/notify-osd
[23:38] <Amaranth> err, wrong window
[23:38] <DanaG> I symlinked notify-osd to notify_osd
[23:38] <DanaG> I figured symlinking is just as good, and will let it fix itself later.
[23:38] <DanaG> deb http://debian.vogelweith.com/ intrepid zgegthemes
[23:38] <DanaG> deb-src http://debian.vogelweith.com/ intrepid zgegthemes
[23:38] <Amaranth> it's not lagging for me
[23:39] <DanaG> there's a metapackage, zgegblog-themes
[23:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what video driver?
[23:39] <Amaranth> now brightness, that lags like hell
[23:39] <DanaG> I'm on Radeon, R600.
[23:39] <DanaG> Oh, and try doing "skip track" a lot in a media player app that uses notifications.
[23:39] <Amaranth> but that's true on all distros, it's just gnome-power-manager
[23:39] <Amaranth> Intel X3100, UXA
[23:39] <DanaG> You'll find it can start lagging for like 15 minutes, devouring CPU the whole time.
[23:40] <Amaranth> notifications are not showing up at all for banshee
[23:41] <Amaranth> DanaG: nope, banshee behaves
[23:41] <DanaG> hmm, try with quodlibet.
[23:41] <Amaranth> so the app is broken
[23:42] <DanaG> Load a bunch of tracks, then skip forward a bit, and then hit skip-back a whole bunch of times so it indicates first-track multiple times.
[23:42] <Amaranth> i'm not going to install and setup a music player I don't want to use just to see a bug in said app
[23:42] <crdlb> because it doesn't update its old notifications?
[23:42] <Amaranth> right, quodlibet is creating new notifications instead of updating the old one
[23:42] <DanaG> In the old one, it'd show all the notifications by replacing old ones with new ones, and by stacking them.
[23:43] <DanaG> So it would get a bunch stacked vertically, but no artificial delay between them.
[23:43] <crdlb> right, but there's no reason to see more than one new-song notification
[23:43] <crdlb> so it should be updating the old one
[23:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, also try simply holding volume-up or volume-down, so it repeats.
[23:45] <DanaG> It'll start doing that distracting blinky thing... rather glitchily.
[23:46] <DanaG> ... and it'll stay pegged at max volume the whole time, and not let you decrease volume until it's done.
[23:46] <crdlb> I prefer the original mockups for volume/brightness
[23:46] <crdlb> trying to have defined increments when you don't control the hardware is stupid
[23:47] <DanaG> hold on while I ctrl-alt-backspace for a moment.
[23:47] <Amaranth> crdlb: eh?
[23:47] <bruce89> "New vendor-specific caps may be specified as long as they start with "x-vendor""
[23:48] <Amaranth> oh, yeah
[23:48] <Amaranth> the mockup looks super shiny
[23:48] <Amaranth> I wish they implemented the volume like that
[23:48] <DanaG> I think they should use a "triangle" thingy for volume, not just a flat bar.
[23:49] <Amaranth> they originally did but changed it to a boring bar
[23:49] <DanaG> oh yeah, I like non-shiny... take a look at my theme.
[23:49] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png
[23:49] <DanaG> Sure, it's snazzy and bright... but not... glossy.
[23:50] <DanaG> Oh, and I have changed my lower thing back to a normal panel -- not a dock anymore.
[23:50] <thiebaude> DanaG: looks cool
[23:50] <DanaG> Nodoka engine is nice.
[23:51] <thiebaude> i wish i can run 9.04
[23:51] <Amaranth> DanaG: mine is a bit more shiny
[23:52] <crdlb> Amaranth: why does noitify-osd insist on animating itself? :/
[23:52] <Amaranth> DanaG: oxygen for gtk, gnome-colors icon theme (blue), gnome-do's docky
[23:52] <Amaranth> crdlb: eh?
[23:52]  * bruce89 sticks with plain old ClearLooks
[23:52] <bruce89> this week, with green colours
[23:53] <crdlb> they had to add a workaround to animation so that animation wouldn't do its own fade effect
[23:53] <Amaranth> crdlb: say my name twice (two lines) in a couple seconds
[23:53] <crdlb> ie modify the default configuration
[23:53] <crdlb> Amaranth: 1
[23:53] <crdlb> Amaranth: 2
[23:53] <Amaranth> suck
[23:53] <Amaranth> it doesn't combine them
[23:54] <Amaranth> crdlb: because it's supposed to work with all compositors
[23:55] <Amaranth> and there is no "please fade me" request you can make to a compositor
[23:55] <crdlb> if a compositor doesn't want to fade notifications, then it won't ...
[23:55] <Amaranth> they want it to always fade
[23:55] <crdlb> and if a user doesn't want them to fade ...
[23:56] <Amaranth> they should use OpenSuSE's KDE desktop
[23:56] <Amaranth> we're trying to provide an experience
[23:57] <bruce89> yuck
[23:57] <Amaranth> one thing I'd like is larger fonts in the notifications though
[23:57] <Amaranth> like in the mockup
[23:58] <DanaG> Oh yeah, havee  youaaweeeeerraaasss
[23:58] <DanaG> araa
[23:58] <Amaranth> ?
[23:58] <DanaG> afbvasdf argh somethhhing's devouring my cp
[23:58] <DanaG> it's hard to yu wen everythethin's lagging
[23:58] <Amaranth> downloading a video to the desktop?
[23:58] <DanaG> pe.
[23:59] <DanaG> npe.
[23:59] <Amaranth> the thumbnailer seems to have forgotten how to not try to thumbnail things that are changing
[23:59] <bruce89> Amaranth: compositor trying to show a notification?
[23:59] <bruce89> oops, DanaG