[03:30] anyone using a Quick cam for notebooks in ubuntu 8.10 with skype? [03:30] works in ekiga === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth === asac_ is now known as asac [07:52] Good morning === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:17] hello [08:17] good morning [08:23] hey seb128 & crevette [08:23] hey didrocks [08:23] lut didrocks crevette [08:23] crevette: did you see my comments this week-end? [08:23] didrocks, I didn't had time to looke to the package [08:24] I was tired due to some birthday party [08:24] seb128: if there is some update/things to do, do not hesitate (even if it will be updated after the soft freeze) [08:24] hey mvo [08:25] hey seb128 [08:25] didrocks: there is a gnome-netstatus update you can look at if you want [08:25] mvo: your compiz updates were not installable, did you forgot to upload package renames? [08:25] salut seb128 [08:26] seb128: oki [08:26] hi mvo [08:26] seb128: hrm, what packages were not installalble? [08:26] mvo: slangasek fixed it [08:26] mvo: " * Depend still on compiz-fusion-plugins-{main,extra} instead of on [08:26] compiz-plugins-{main,extra}, as the package names have not changed in [08:26] 0.8.2." [08:27] ohhh [08:27] I had planned to rename them (upstream renamed them) but didn't in the end to avoid NEW and all this [08:27] hey didrocks [08:28] seb128: but one most have made it into bzr :( [08:29] crevette: ok, just tell me when you fixed those :) [08:29] didrocks, yeah, I'll update bugs when it's ready, I'll try to do nautilus-sendto-universe quickly [08:33] pitti: I've untagged yet another firefox bug and removed the retracer lock [08:33] seb128: thanks; I'm about to fix it once and for call in crash-digger [08:33] just need another 5 mins to finish the morning email [08:33] pitti: thank you [08:34] brb restarting session [08:42] 456 mails from rosetta, not bad for the night [08:45] morning everyone [08:46] morning huats [08:47] mvo: I got rosetta and bug watch spam this night [08:47] lut huats [08:48] hello seb128 [08:54] mvo, seb128: so do I [09:00] seb128: gnome-netstatus update is finished. I will test it this evening and try to push it to alioth too as it is a stable release [09:01] didrocks: we are on sync with debian? [09:02] seb128: not for this package. There is only a few remaining patches that seems to not be ubuntu specific and I have to seek if they have been reported to debian and refused, or just not been reported [09:05] too bad. i think the update yesterday killed my window decorations :/ [09:06] * asac checks whether there are more updates ;) [09:07] k ... so compiz is not running and there are new compiz bits coming [09:09] didrocks: great, you'll look into the pidgin backport? I added stable tasks to that bug which originally asked for 2.5.5 update [09:09] hey pitti [09:10] pitti, if you want to test gnome-bluetooth 2.27.1 which can replace bluez-gnome (and hence fix the pin code problem) you can try my package in my ppa (https://edge.launchpad.net/~bmillemathias/+archive/ppa) [09:11] seb128 suggested to push in universe to have time to test it, I think this is a very good idea [09:12] crevette: oh, the entire bluez-gnome is obsolete then? [09:12] crevette: is g-b an entirely different project, or was b-g renamed? [09:12] pitti, not sure..., bastien didn't expected new release from bluez-gnome [09:13] I don't think it's appropriate to switch at this time [09:13] gnome-bluetooth has a different purpose before, but it was superseded by gnome-user-share [09:13] I just want this silly bug fixed, but that can't be too hard with the current version either [09:13] so bastien decided to fork bluez-gnome and use the name gnome-bluetooth [09:14] so the code base is almost the same than bluez-gnome with a lot of enhancements, but still rough [09:17] mvo: compiz is really dead for me ;) [09:17] asac: oh? [09:18] asac: I was just about to ask you what to do with n-m on ugrdae. should I add code that detects if n-m is being used and refuse upgrades over ssh (because at some point n-m will stop the interface?) [09:18] mvo: yes. no window decorations on my intel chipset [09:18] asac: could you please check if "compiz" (the meta-package) is installed [09:19] mvo: please try to disable hal getting torn down [09:19] also ensure that udev is not restarted/shutdown [09:19] mvo: no [09:19] asac: and then put a ps afx into a pastebin [09:19] its pn [09:19] asac: could you please install it ? [09:19] and re-login into the session [09:20] mvo: well i have metactiy running. should i get back to no-decoration state? [09:20] mvo: i looked and compiz wasnt running iirc [09:20] mvo: was compiz removed by accident? [09:20] pitti: do you have any opinion on the "hal/udev" should not be restarted so that n-m keeps its interfaces [09:21] oh? I restart hal all the time [09:21] asac: yes, there was a transient issue with the update [09:21] mvo: i dont even say it shouldnt be restarted. hal should not be stopped like in the beginning of the upgrade process [09:21] and then being down for 20 minutes [09:21] ah [09:21] right [09:21] at least i would like to try that [09:21] it should be restarted in the postinst only [09:21] yeah [09:22] mvo: also check what udev does ;) [09:22] it would wreak havoc if d-bus changed underneath us, but it hasn't changed since 1.0 [09:22] so I think it's okay [09:22] if you need it, please file a bug against hal and assign it to me [09:23] (or commit it into the hal bzr, of course :) ) [09:23] I will do a local version and try it there, I still ahve a test-image [09:23] ah, convenient: dh_installinit -R [09:23] so this should just be a DEB_DH_INSTALLINIT_ARGS=-R in debian/rules [09:25] mvo: ok. i so i am now installing compiz meta package and re-login? [09:25] asac: please do [09:26] pitti: sweet [09:28] so do we restart dbus during upgrade? [09:28] mvo: any clue why hal disappears/reappears multiple times in the syslog? [09:29] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22876290/nm-upgrade-syslog [09:30] * asac relogin [09:32] mvo: so i dont have desktop effects enabled. if i enable it everything gets so slow that i cannot even click the "keep previous settings" thing [09:32] have to wait 45 seconds [09:33] i will reboot now. who knows whats going on in the driver [09:38] mvo: ok. so nothing helps. compiz dead on my X61 ;) [09:38] seb128: bug 337110 :-) [09:38] Bug 337110 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/337110 is private [09:39] asac: could you please put your .xsession-errors log into some pastebin? or the startup stuff it outputs (if you run it from a terminal) [09:39] pitti: \o/ [09:39] pitti: I will have a look at it within the day, yes [09:39] didrocks: you rock [09:39] it's pretty urgent, I think [09:39] mvo: ok i will try to run it from terminal [09:39] pitti: thanks for the task :-) [09:39] didrocks, pitti: the icq issue? [09:39] seb128: yes [09:39] didrocks: I wish I could help you, but I have so many tasks to do ATM that I'd need to fork three times.. [09:40] pitti: oh, babies ;) ? [09:40] seb128: I also committed a change to drop CoreDump et al from invalid bugs [09:40] pitti: no problem. I will give a first status about it this evening :) [09:40] mvo: eventually :) but training lasts quite a bit [09:40] mvo: http://pastebin.com/f12055dbb [09:40] pitti: waouh ;-) [09:41] heh :) [09:41] mvo: I told that to a friend yesterday "oh, you had babies, you forked? " ;) [09:41] so .xsession-erros is completely cluttered by Gsm things [09:41] how can i disable that= [09:41] x-session-manager[4454]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: disconnect client [09:42] didrocks: is he a geek, did he get the joke? [09:42] asac: hm, that looks ok, but its still dog-slow? [09:42] mvo: didnt work at all [09:43] mvo: yes, he is a geek, otherwise, I would not have told him that. Not *so* crazy :) [09:43] :) [09:43] mvo: now i am without decorations [09:43] could be that i hit ctrl-c [09:43] let me run again [09:44] asac: could you run gconftool --unset /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/active_plugins [09:44] please ? [09:44] mvo so yes. its gdog slow [09:44] switching gnome terminal tab takes 20 seconds [09:44] didrocks: let me know if you need testing or sponsoring, I use ICQ and have intrepid and hardy boxes [09:44] typing this line takes like 10 seconds [09:44] asac: that is strange, I want your Xorg.0.log [09:45] let me kill compiz first [09:45] asac: what is super strange is that hardly anything in the graphic code changed due to the update [09:45] mvo: indeed. [09:45] seb128: yes, I will appreciate: I guess last time I connected to ICQ, it was something like 2001 :) [09:46] so, what can be my ICQ number? :p [09:46] * mvo has his first cup of japanese tea after days of stomach suffering - what a delight [09:46] mvo: http://pastebin.com/f5d8a3cd4 [09:46] mvo: be careful with your stomach in this case, tea can be more harmful than coffee [09:47] seb128: new apport uploaded (with fixed apport-retrace); next time it fails, please ignore; I'll update the chroots when it built/published, and restart [09:47] didrocks: yeah, I'm just having one cup (to be on the safe side) [09:47] but its *so* good :) [09:47] * mvo is happy [09:47] * asac not happy ;) [09:48] pitti: ok [09:48] asac: # [09:48] [ 0.619738] (**) intel(0): Using UXA for acceleration <- was that working before [09:48] mvo: i used this since berlin. yes. [09:48] ok [09:48] mvo: its the new default for intel i think [09:48] pitti: if you log into the chroots please add a deb-src source there so source retracing works again [09:48] mvo: i can check if thats the reason. but EXA was severly broken lsat time [09:48] # [09:48] [ 2.455715] (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled <- and that was ok too? [09:48] so i assumed its just not supported for intel anymore [09:49] seb128: ah, will do [09:49] mvo: i never explcitly did anything with DRI [09:49] asac: its fine, I'm just poking [09:49] mvo: so no idea. [09:49] mvo: how can i disable it ? [09:50] I don't know, I need to check the driver [09:50] ok i will disable the expclitit UXA now and re-login [09:51] mvo: ok UXA it is indeed [09:51] bryce_: ^^ [09:52] bryce_: UXA breaks compiz since yesterday [09:54] seb128: can i bribe you to NEW pywebkitgtk? [09:54] asac: yes, let me have a look [09:54] seb128: or reject [09:55] asac: why reject? [09:55] seb128: its broken since doko didnt care [09:55] it's not binary NEW? [09:55] seb128: its binary NEW [09:55] seb128: dont know. its a new upstream version that huats prepared [09:55] if you didnt hand out FFe [09:55] i hope you can just new it ;) [09:56] yeah, I grant it and will new it [09:56] seb128: thats so precious. maybe after all these weeks gwibber will finally work then ;) [09:56] asac: it is accepted already I think [09:56] what is all the buzz about this thing ;-) [09:56] (since this night) [09:56] huats: since when? [09:56] huats: hmm. [09:56] let me check [09:57] at least it is not in new anymore from my point of view [09:57] seb128: its the main app for using twitter with gtk [09:57] seb128: yes. scratch that [09:57] what is all the buzz about twitter [09:57] seb128: it was still in new yestrerday night [09:57] ok, good ;-) [09:57] asac: it was yesterday indeed [09:57] slangasek probably cleaned [09:57] seb128: twitter (identi.ca) is good for bonding [09:57] seb128: and if you dont like writing prosa blogs ;) [09:58] but still want to get news out [09:58] I'm so not into all those web2 social website things [09:58] seb128: get an identi.ca account ;) [09:58] but if people enjoy writting their life on the web and sharing all their privates datas there good for them ;-) [09:58] seb128: start doing it. i wondered about it before i started doing it too [09:59] and thought it was senseless ;) [10:00] and they got you now? ;-) [10:00] seb128: yeah ;) ... since three month already. [10:00] seb128: not sure if i will continue to do that forever [10:00] at least i managed to find some firefox security testers through that channel ;) [10:01] seb128: good thing is you can create a search for keywords (like ubuntu, gnome, firefox)= and then you see if someone has to say something about it ;) [10:01] so you get news you would miss otherwise [10:02] also the new notifications are good for that ;) (lots of notifications that shouldnt get in your way) [10:02] I will give it a try and test gwibber too [10:02] seb128: hi! When you have some time, could you take a look on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-farsight/+bug/337195 please? We need it to upload latest Empathy to Jaunty [10:02] Ubuntu bug 337195 in telepathy-farsight "[UVFe] Please allow merge for telepathy-farsight 0.0.4" [Wishlist,New] [10:02] seb128: :-P [10:03] cassidy: do you need a merge or a sync? [10:03] seb128: let me and jorge know when you have an account so you can be properly introduced ... that will give you a bunch of subscribers/followers right away ;) [10:03] ok back to nss [10:03] seb128: a sync I think. [10:03] asac: ok ;-) [10:04] bryce_: let me know if you need anything for the UXA-compiz bustage [10:04] seb128: if the pkg has no ubuntu change, that's a sync, right? [10:04] cassidy: right, the bug seems to suggest that but the title doesn't [10:04] seb128: indeed. Let me ask confirmation to bigon [10:05] cassidy: synced [10:05] thanks! [10:05] you're welcome [10:05] great, hopefully we should have an Empathy with working/reliable audio/video in Jaunty :) [10:06] cassidy: excellent ;-) [10:14] seb128: do you have your script somewhere which debdiffs a built .deb against dpkg -L? [10:15] pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/diff-symbols.py [10:15] pitti: just run diff-symbols.py in the src dir after the build [10:16] pitti: dholbach had an another variant which takes 2 debs and compare those [10:16] seb128: hm, that's for shlib symbols [10:16] oh [10:16] seb128: I mean .deb contents [10:16] like debdiff old.deb new.deb [10:16] pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/debnbfiles [10:16] but old.deb being dpkg -L [10:16] mvo: "asac:Modify Update Manager so that it does not automatically download new indexes when connected to a 3G network:started " [10:16] mvo: whats the status on this? is that postponed? [10:16] seb128: that very; merci! [10:17] pitti: run "debnbfiles" in the directory which has the debs [10:17] pitti: you're welcome [10:26] asac: any opinion on bug #332253? [10:26] Launchpad bug 332253 in epiphany-browser "Epiphany doesn't mention Ubuntu in user agent string" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332253 [10:26] asac: I hope to still get to it, but a lot of stuff kept me busy [10:28] hey MacSlow [10:28] mvo, hey there [10:28] seb128, pitti yo [10:29] * MacSlow is so happy to have working network on his laptop again [10:29] hello MacSlow [10:30] seb128: we'll need gabble .22 too for proper audio/video support. See https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-gabble/+bug/337361 [10:30] Ubuntu bug 337361 in telepathy-gabble "[UVFe] Please sync telepathy-gabble 0.7.22-1 from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] [10:30] asac: hrm, I blew away my image with the nm settings, what was the magic to tell it to do a dhcp connection again? I think you had it on your server in tmp somewhere [10:31] cassidy: I trust you guys to follow on issues due to updates, synced [10:31] seb128: gave input on how to do that [10:31] asac: thanks [10:32] seb128: thanks. I want it working and think for now we still have time to sync version [10:32] seb128: FYI, I created a small script generating http://people.collabora.co.uk/~cassidy/tp-versions.html [10:32] cassidy: right before beta is still fine [10:33] cassidy: do you need some other syncs on this list? [10:33] mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/mvodhcp [10:33] mvo: put that in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connec*/ [10:33] seb128: Salut would be good if we care about file transfer https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-salut/+bug/333070 [10:33] Ubuntu bug 333070 in telepathy-salut "Please sync telepathy-salut 0.3.8-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] [10:34] cassidy: synced [10:35] seb128: great, thanks [10:35] seb128: what's the deadline until which we can push new versions btw? [10:35] asac: excellent, thanks a lot [10:35] cassidy: syncing -glib too [10:36] cassidy: one month ago? ;-) [10:36] asac: I'm building new images now, lets see how it goes [10:36] cassidy: beta is in 2 weeks, so you still have until end of next week for reasonable changes I would say [10:36] seb128: right but in practice :) I guess the TP stack is a bit different as it's basically use only by Empathy atm [10:37] ok [10:37] cassidy: right, that'w why I'm doing syncs now without asking too much [10:37] and we did lot of audio/video stabilizing work these last weeks so it would a shame to miss them in Jaunty [10:37] cassidy: but still we are past the freeze and beta is a good time to stop getting new versions [10:38] ok. I'll try to make some tests with current jaunty packages [10:38] cassidy: do you want telepathy-python 0.15.7 too? [10:38] cassidy: so we can get your list back to mostly green ;-) [10:39] let me check the release ntoes [10:39] seb128: yeah, it's a safe and good to have one [10:43] cassidy: ok, syncs done, now get the current empathy version in jaunty ;-) [10:43] \o/ [10:43] seb128: yep, I'll ask to bigon to merge the pacakge [10:43] thanks [10:50] seb128: i think I will upload the simple default for subpixel now so we get it on alpha CD (and see how many complain) ... the other big fix i will put in some PPA the other day. [10:50] asac: oh good idea I wanted to ping you about that yesterday and forgot, thanks [10:50] shout if you disagree ;) (e.g. greyscale vs. rgba in gnome-settings-daemon font schema) [10:50] ok [10:52] asac: just add a .gconf-defaults to gnome-settings-daemon [10:54] seb128: hmm. i wanted to do something like this: # asac:Communicate with Mozilla upstream that they should start responding:done [10:54] oops ;) [10:54] someone fix paste [10:54] seb128: http://pastebin.com/f4f60f27e [10:55] asac: right, that's why I wrote to use a .gconf-defaults, they are made for that [10:55] asac: echo "/desktop/gnome/font_rendering/antialiasing rgba" > debian/gnome-settings-daemon.gconf-default [10:55] asac: echo "/desktop/gnome/font_rendering/antialiasing rgba" > debian/gnome-settings-daemon.gconf-defaults [10:56] oh [10:56] asac: dh_gconf does the installation, registration etc [10:56] nice [10:56] * asac reverts stuff [10:56] asac: ls /usr/share/gconf/defaults for some example [10:57] asac: that allow use to have a "clean upstream" set of default and an another layer with distro changes [10:57] use -> us [10:57] yes, I see the benefit. didnt know about that hook [10:58] tedg: *hug* @ bug 339818 [10:58] Launchpad bug 339818 in indicator-applet "do not display tray handle, but add back standard right-click menu" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339818 [10:58] pitti: ;-) [11:17] pitti: retracer crashed, good update ;-) [11:20] seb128: I'm just updating right now [11:20] added deb-src, too [11:20] * seb128 hugs pitti [11:25] seb128: thanks to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474053 most of the packages FTBFS :( [11:25] Debian bug 474053 in python2.5-minimal "python2.5-minimal: looks like Python 2.5, but isn't" [Normal,Open] [11:26] cassidy: shouldn't those build-depends on python2.5 then? [11:27] asac: Just commented on the moz bug (was travelling yesterday evening; just came at the oxford sprint) [11:27] seb128: don't know. I'm just an upstream dev. :) bigon: ^ [11:27] cassidy: rohh [11:28] I'm fixing tp-farsight right now [11:28] lool: oxford sprint? [11:28] lool: no problem ;) [11:28] bigon: what's the right fix? [11:28] s/site-packages/*-packages [11:29] I think it's the thing to do [11:31] right [11:31] rahh xchat has crashed [11:32] asac: The QA Desktop Automation sprint [11:33] seb128: retracers updated and unlocked; shoul be fixed for good now, hopefully [11:34] pitti: you rock! [11:34] lool: automatic bugs fixing? ;-) [11:35] seb128: Press reboot! [11:35] Hmm no [11:36] mvo: bwah, I lost my window decorations after latest dist-upgrade (new compiz) [11:36] mvo: known problem already? or shall I file a bug? [11:37] pitti: do you have compiz (the meta-package) still installed? there was a transient problem during the upgrade [11:37] . o O { wow, metacity feels fast } [11:38] the inability to stack notifications is really annoying if you get many notifications [11:38] e.g. add a search in gwibber on "Ubuntu" in twitter and you will constantly see notifications ;) [11:39] not sure if it would be better if they get stacked ;) [11:41] mvo: oops, indeed not [11:42] compiz: Hängt ab: compiz-gnome soll aber nicht installiert werden [11:42] Hängt ab: libcompizconfig0 (>= 0.8.2) soll aber nicht installiert werden [11:42] mvo: ^ [11:42] ich haenge auch immer ab ;) [11:42] pitti: oh? is your mirror up-to-date, that should be fine [11:42] haha@asac [11:42] mvo: well, as up to date as archive.u.c. can be.. [11:42] * pitti hugs assasc [11:42] and asac, too [11:42] * asac hugs all ;) [11:43] * pitti hugs the German mafia [11:43] * mvo scratches his head [11:44] pitti: maybe because of the new libprotobuf3 dependency? but you have universe enabled, right? [11:45] seb128: pidgin seems to build successfully with no change. I will give some basic tests this evening in intrepid (without ICQ) before giving it to you for ICQ testing. [11:46] (it builds on both intrepid & hardy) [11:46] didrocks: ok [11:46] didrocks: "with no change"? [11:47] seb128: yep, just backporting it (I saw that there is already one backported version in hardy for 2.5.2) [11:47] ah ok, good [11:48] what's ls -l /etc/fuse.conf for you guys? [11:49] and are you in the "fuse" group? [11:49] and do you have ~/.gvfs mounted and gvfs-fuse-daemon running? [11:49] didrocks: I'm fine doing build and test this afternoon if you want, I've access to my hardy and intrepid install easily today but not this evening [11:49] didrocks: and I've nothing special to do due to alpha freeze [11:49] pitti: yes. i am in fuse group [11:50] hm, anyone who is *not* in the fuse group? [11:50] no [11:50] let me check my other system [11:50] hmm [11:50] seb128: ok, let me push the branch somewhere if it's easier for you, (ok, that's a little bit overkill for only a changelog change ;)) [11:50] ah, it seems the permissions of /etc/fuse.conf don't atually matter [11:50] pitti: I can start a test user if you want [11:50] pitti: yes [11:50] pitti: my other system isnt in fuse [11:50] my unmounted ~/.gvfs was not writable for me, so I couldn't mount [11:50] didrocks: only a changelog log? there is no code change, what fixes the bug? [11:50] that was the reason why gvfs-fuse-daemon didn't start, not the /etc/fuse.conf permissions [11:51] but i logged in through ssh (i doubt that this matters) [11:51] asac: ok, thanks [11:52] seb128: I just rebuilt the last version (1:2.5.5-1ubuntu1) against a hardy and intrepid chroot. I thought we just wanted to backport it, not doing a update (maybe I was not clear enough in my previous sentence) [11:52] but if you prefer, we can prepare a proper update and cherry picking the fix [11:52] didrocks: we want to backport the code change which fixes that specific issue [11:52] didrocks: not to update hardy to 2.5.5 [11:53] seb128: ok. because that what was done in hardy-backports already (they have 2.5.2 although hardy is at 2.4.1), so, people who uses backport will not have the fix [11:54] didrocks: backport is not my issue, I want to get those fixes to -updates, everybody doesn't use backports [11:54] didrocks: I consider backport as crack usually ;-) [11:54] seb128: ok, I was mislead by the "backport" term used there lately :) [11:54] pitti: retracer crashed again [11:54] seb128: I am on it right now :) [11:54] didrocks: thanks! [11:55] pitti: oh, new error [11:55] pitti: seems an apport bug now [11:58] mvo: compiz somehow makes firefox 3.1 and trunk behave bad. seems that XQueryTree gives error: [11:58] The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. (Details: serial 1247 error_code 3 request_code 20 minor_code 0) [11:58] mvo: takes about 20 seconds to go away ... feels like it doesnt remove a not existing window instantly when proces goes away [12:01] seb128: bwaaah, my stupidity [12:01] seb128: will fix in a bit [12:02] thanks [12:03] seb128: I will do it this evening. Unfortunately, my company firewall prevents me to go to pidgin.im website (I wanted to follow the commits and to search through the bugtracker) [12:04] didrocks: ok [12:07] seb128: fixed locally in i386 retracer, restarted, committed to trunk [12:07] pitti: python-mechanized was fun :) [12:08] asac: how can I reproduce this? [12:08]