| ebroder | Anyone willing to sponsor an upload? bug #339449 | 01:25 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 339449 in mit-scheme "FeatureFreezeException: Merge mit-scheme with Debian" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339449 | 01:25 |
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| imbrandon | jcastro: happy bday ( its midnight mytime, not sure about yours ) | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:53 |
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| tgm4883 | in debian/copyright, I have the standard gpl v2 blurb, but I have some files that are strictly v2, can I freely remove the part that says "or (at your option) any later version. " | 05:23 |
| tgm4883 | the standard blurb i'm talking about is similar to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythexport/intrepid/annotate/head%3A/debian//copyright | 05:23 |
| persia | tgm4883, If you have sources with two different licenses (and GPLv2 is different than GPLv2+), then it's best practice to identify them, and have two paragraphs. | 05:24 |
| persia | If all your source is the same, just use the same text as in the source files. | 05:25 |
| tgm4883 | persia, right, and I am separating them. I just need to know if I can just remove that part for the files that are strictly v2, or if there is a different blurb I should be using | 05:25 |
| persia | You should *always* use the blurb in the source files. | 05:25 |
| persia | Don't use "standard" blurbs, except when upstream did. | 05:25 |
| ripps | I'm trying to write a script that puts the operations dch, debuild, and dput into single command. How can I pull the latest version from debian/changelog, without a bunch of other stuff? | 05:27 |
| persia | Note that when dealing with licenses with addresses, and you *know* the address is no longer current, updating that is fine, but otherwise, stick with upstream. | 05:27 |
| persia | ripps, I don't think you want to do it that way, but dpkg-parsechangelog is probably what you want. | 05:28 |
| tgm4883 | persia, ok, in the files, the only thing they say is "# Released under the terms of the GNU GPL v2" | 05:28 |
| tgm4883 | which I was under the impression that I had to add the short license to debian/copyright | 05:28 |
| persia | OK. You've found an exceptional case. | 05:29 |
| tgm4883 | well I am exceptional ;) | 05:29 |
| persia | I recommend bugging upstream, because they are *supposed* to put in the blurb. Bugging by way of a patch attached to an enhancement request is best practice. | 05:29 |
| tgm4883 | ok, and the short term? | 05:30 |
| persia | That said, yes, drop the "or (at your option) any later version." text. | 05:30 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 05:30 |
| ripps | What's the easiest way of managing multiple packages with multiple backports? | 05:30 |
| persia | I can't promise the archive-admins won't complain, but it's the closest you'll get to being right for now. | 05:30 |
| tgm4883 | heh, well, they are complaining with how it is right now ;) | 05:30 |
| tgm4883 | thats what i'm trying to fix | 05:31 |
| persia | The source files are *not* properly licensed, in my opinion. I recommend checking with the archive admin to make sure you're meeting their requirements before pushing it again. | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | ok, will do | 05:32 |
| tgm4883 | thanks persia | 05:32 |
| persia | tgm4883, Also, it's worth remembering that regardless of the contents of debian/copyright, the orig.tar.gz must be suitable for redistribution on it's own. | 05:33 |
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| iulian | Does anyone know why I'm getting: 'Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.0.1 and 1.9.0.*.' when I run firefox? | 06:45 |
| iulian | Doh | 06:47 |
| * iulian hasn't finished upgrading. | 06:47 | |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:50 |
| * wgrant notes that we are ~ half way through the obvious part of the universe Python 2.6 transition. | 06:55 | |
| iulian | G'morning dholbach! | 07:15 |
| dholbach | hiya iulian | 07:15 |
| iulian | How is it going? | 07:17 |
| dholbach | very good - how are you doing? | 07:18 |
| ebroder | I know I can't make the alpha release, but can someone upload bug #339449 so it's in the queue? | 07:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 339449 in mit-scheme "FeatureFreezeException: Merge mit-scheme with Debian" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339449 | 07:18 |
| iulian | dholbach: I'm doing my calculus homework right now and looking at my irssi window. :-) | 07:20 |
| dholbach | good luck with that :) | 07:21 |
| ebroder | Dude - IM + homework !!= productivity | 07:22 |
| iulian | Hehe | 07:22 |
| ebroder | Seriously - it just doesn't work. Context switches are expensive | 07:22 |
| dholbach | fabrice_sp__: looks like im-sdk is still FTBFSing (it built fine for me in pbuilder though :-/) | 07:58 |
| dholbach | I'll be back in a bit, just letting you know | 07:58 |
| willwill | hi! any one willing to review my package here? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mbpurple | 08:34 |
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| Toadstool | good morning everybody | 08:57 |
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| eMerzh | If a motu has some time to review my package at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman ... | 10:10 |
| c_korn | hello, I want to open a bug about moving scilab to univesre because it is now free. is there a wiki or something about how to request? | 10:41 |
| slytherin | c_korn: have you solved the FTBFS problem? | 10:43 |
| c_korn | slytherin: yes, it is already in jaunty. but in multiverse | 10:43 |
| dholbach | c_korn: just file a bug report, explaining what changed and that you want to move it to universe and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors - somebody will review, ACK and subscribe ubuntu-archive later | 10:44 |
| slytherin | c_korn: I asked you if you solved the FTBFS problem. | 10:45 |
| c_korn | slytherin: it only failed to build because there were empty translation files in the package. I removed them in clean target. | 10:46 |
| dholbach | seems like it FTBFS in a couple of other places still: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/scilab/5.1-0ubuntu2 | 10:47 |
| c_korn | oh, that you mean :P I filed a bug in the scilab bug tracker. sylvestre wants to look at it. | 10:48 |
| c_korn | at least powerpc and ia64 should build then | 10:48 |
| c_korn | the other archs fail for some other reasons | 10:48 |
| c_korn | missing dependencies | 10:48 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 10:49 |
| directhex | openjdk-6-jdk: Depends: openjdk-6-jre (>= 6b14-1.4.1-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed | 10:49 |
| directhex | java shonk | 10:49 |
| directhex | on SOME arches anyway | 10:49 |
| directhex | checking to see if we can link a JNI application... no | 10:50 |
| directhex | configure: error: could not link file that includes jni.h | 10:50 |
| directhex | on others | 10:50 |
| directhex | generally, java suckitude's to blame one way or another | 10:50 |
| c_korn | is this sufficient? https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/340413 | 10:52 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 340413 in baltix "move scilab-5.1 from multiverse to universe" [Undecided,New] | 10:52 |
| slytherin | c_korn: why did you file it in baltix? | 10:53 |
| c_korn | slytherin: was a mistake | 10:53 |
| c_korn | https://bugs.launchpad.net/scilab/+bug/340413 | 10:53 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 340413 in baltix "move scilab-5.1 from multiverse to universe" [Undecided,New] | 10:53 |
| c_korn | should I mark the baltix one as invalid? | 10:54 |
| c_korn | should I list all packages that have to be moved? | 10:55 |
| geser | c_korn: have you checked if all build-dependencies and runtime-dependencies for all binary packages are in main/universe? | 10:58 |
| geser | and the bug should be better against the scilab package in ubuntu and not the scilab project | 10:59 |
| pochu | * Change pastebinit's default behavior to reading from stdin (Thanks fta) | 11:08 |
| * pochu hugs stgraber :-) | 11:08 | |
| * pochu hugs fta too ;) | 11:08 | |
| c_korn | geser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/scilab/+bug/340413/comments/1 I checked all dependencies | 11:11 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 340413 in baltix "move scilab-5.1 from multiverse to universe" [Undecided,New] | 11:11 |
| c_korn | they are fine | 11:11 |
| stgraber | pochu: works ? | 11:17 |
| stgraber | pochu: that should be a "no new feature but everything's fixed" release, a bit last minute for Jaunty but we couldn't keep the one we had in so ... | 11:18 |
| pochu | stgraber: didn't update yet... shouldn't it? | 11:19 |
| pochu | stgraber: you're a good upstream for that! :) | 11:19 |
| stgraber | even the translations seem to work (except one string as it's been added yesterday and isn't translated on LP yet) | 11:24 |
| Laney | jcfp: I need your python 2.5 wizardry. How did you manage to get rid of the << 2.6 dep on sab? I've a similar problem with another package... | 11:41 |
| jcfp | Laney: it had to do with trying to provide a public module without supporting the default python version | 11:42 |
| jcfp | which apparently isn't allowed unless the package name is something like pythonX.Y-modulename | 11:43 |
| Laney | guh | 11:43 |
| jcfp | In case of sab, solution was to make the module private | 11:44 |
| Laney | might work, thanks | 11:45 |
| torkel | siretart: thanks! | 12:04 |
| sistpoty|work | hi folks | 12:16 |
| ScottK | Hi sistpoty|work. | 12:29 |
| sistpoty|work | hi ScottK | 12:29 |
| cristi | savvas: hy! | 13:00 |
| cristi | savvas: so what should i do in order to help out with the python packages update to 2.6 (i think) | 13:00 |
| geser | cristi: you mean the python 2.6 transition? | 13:08 |
| cristi | geser: yes | 13:08 |
| geser | cristi: have you read the mail on ubuntu-devel what needs to be changed in the packaging of a package? | 13:09 |
| cristi | geser: i am just getting started, i am still reading articles on the wiki. however i was told that it's not that hard to contribute to the python 2.6 transition | 13:09 |
| cristi | geser: so the answer is no | 13:10 |
| geser | cristi: it's really easy | 13:10 |
| geser | (in most cases) | 13:10 |
| cristi | what is really easy lol | 13:10 |
| cristi | the python transcription i guess, ok can you help me out so i can start doing something | 13:11 |
| geser | cristi: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027528.html | 13:11 |
| geser | the next step is then picking a package which needs a transition | 13:12 |
| geser | btw: have you already a jaunty pbuilder? | 13:13 |
| cristi | geser: yes, i got it last night and took a look at introductive stuff | 13:14 |
| geser | good as it makes the test building easier | 13:14 |
| Laney | ffmpeg did a release?! :O | 13:20 |
| directhex | what what? | 13:21 |
| directhex | ffmpeg, the "change everything every week" app? | 13:21 |
| Laney | http://svn.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg/branches/0.5/RELEASE?revision=17805 | 13:21 |
| Laney | crazy | 13:21 |
| StevenK | And the world didn't end!? | 13:28 |
| StevenK | The release name is all kinds of ironic | 13:29 |
| slytherin | what kind of policy is this "we have made a release but we only accept bugs against svn trunk"? | 13:33 |
| directhex | slytherin, it's more liberal than their usual policy of "trunk or gtfo" | 13:33 |
| * slytherin will be back in 10-15 minutes. | 13:34 | |
| theholyduck | directhex, i like the trunk or gtfo | 13:35 |
| theholyduck | it works therefor its good | 13:35 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 14:00 |
| geser | Hi bddebian | 14:00 |
| bddebian | Hi geser | 14:00 |
| __iron | hi | 14:05 |
| __iron | isnt a new pidgin-version avaible in 8.10 ? | 14:13 |
| geser | __iron: afaik it's being worked on | 14:14 |
| __iron | k thx geser | 14:15 |
| sven777 | would any motu kindly review my package? Thanks in advance! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lmalinux | 14:21 |
| quadrispro | hi guys | 14:25 |
| siretart | Laney: and guess what, that release is already in debian unstable since *last week* | 14:30 |
| cristi | uhm i had the hardy version of pbuilder (or at least i think), and i run sudo pbuilder update --distribution interpid --override-config. however, after trying to build a package i am getting this (error i think?) http://pastebin.com/m30804dd7 | 14:33 |
| cristi | can anyone tell me what should i do? this is my first package | 14:33 |
| directhex | cristi, not enough output to be helpful | 14:34 |
| slytherin | cristi: can you paste complete error? The part you pasted is not much usefull | 14:34 |
| cristi | yes, one moment | 14:34 |
| cristi | i see now that the problem is a bit deeper | 14:34 |
| cristi | http://pastebin.com/m13e8dfee | 14:35 |
| hyperair | cristi: sudo | 14:36 |
| hyperair | no wait, there's more | 14:37 |
| cristi | no no, i think i overpasted | 14:37 |
| cristi | i used sudo | 14:37 |
| cristi | 2nd time | 14:37 |
| slytherin | cristi: have you enabled universe section in your config? because libstatgrab-dev is in universe | 14:37 |
| cristi | blah i guess not, can you tell me how to do that, or give me a link..? | 14:38 |
| hyperair | --components | 14:39 |
| slytherin | cristi: are you using a ~/.pbuilderrc? If not, it is better to copy /etc/pbuilderrc to ~/.pbuilderrc and modify that file. | 14:39 |
| hyperair | cristi: sudo pbuilder update --override-config --components "main universe" | 14:40 |
| cristi | hyperair: i am getting hardy release packages :-s | 14:41 |
| hyperair | oh | 14:41 |
| hyperair | --distribution intrepid then | 14:41 |
| cristi | i guess i should give an output | 14:42 |
| * hyperair nods | 14:43 | |
| cristi | http://pastebin.com/m53074083 | 14:44 |
| hyperair | intrepid not interpid | 14:44 |
| cristi | lol omg | 14:45 |
| hyperair | lol | 14:45 |
| directhex | i didn't want to say anything... :/ | 14:45 |
| hyperair | lol | 14:46 |
| cristi | >_< | 14:46 |
| cristi | what the hell -> Someone else has lock over /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz.tmp, waiting | 14:47 |
| slytherin | cristi: this is the reason I asked you to use separate pbuilderrc | 14:47 |
| cristi | slytherin: i did separate | 14:48 |
| cristi | copied to ~/ | 14:48 |
| cristi | ok, so now what should i do | 14:48 |
| slytherin | cristi: did you name the file .pbuilderrc? | 14:49 |
| cristi | yes | 14:49 |
| cristi | however, it's all i did | 14:49 |
| cristi | just copied it | 14:49 |
| slytherin | cristi: did you change the distribution and components in that file? | 14:49 |
| cristi | no | 14:50 |
| slytherin | after that you need to do pbuilder --update --override-config | 14:50 |
| cristi | #COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" // i should just uncomment the line ? | 14:51 |
| slytherin | cristi: it depends on what all components you want. If you want all of them then uncomment it. | 14:54 |
| cristi | i am still getting -> Someone else has lock over /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz.tmp, waiting | 14:54 |
| cristi | slytherin: so, now what should i do? | 14:56 |
| hyperair | slytherin: does it matter, if you're on a single-user system? | 14:57 |
| hyperair | cristi: break the lock. don't ask me where it is though | 14:57 |
| c_korn | hello, is this move request sufficient? or do I miss something? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/340413 | 14:59 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 340413 in baltix "move scilab-5.1 from multiverse to universe" [Undecided,Invalid] | 14:59 |
| slytherin | hyperair: does what matter? | 15:00 |
| cristi | hyperair: this is not really working | 15:00 |
| cristi | i don't know what is causing the lock. | 15:01 |
| hyperair | slytherin: having a separate .pbuilderrc. personally i have a bunch of scripts which maintain different pbuilder base.tgz, each of different releases. i've never touched a pbuilderrc before | 15:02 |
| hyperair | cristi: maybe another pbuilder is running? | 15:02 |
| hyperair | or maybe the previous run of pbuilder didn't close cleanly | 15:02 |
| cristi | hyperair: i have only one terminal session open | 15:02 |
| hyperair | hm | 15:02 |
| cristi | hyperair: i can start over reinstalling pbuilder i guess ? | 15:03 |
| hyperair | no. | 15:03 |
| hyperair | no need. | 15:03 |
| cristi | ok | 15:03 |
| hyperair | i mean it won't do anything | 15:03 |
| hyperair | hmmm | 15:03 |
| hyperair | just delete /var/cache/pbuilder | 15:03 |
| slytherin | hyperair: I have punch of pbuilderrc each corresponding to a different pbuilder chroot. :-) | 15:03 |
| hyperair | slytherin: command line options ftw =p | 15:04 |
| slytherin | cristi: don't delete /var/cache/pbuilder. It will also delete your base.tgz. | 15:04 |
| hyperair | slytherin: that's the point. it can be regenerated | 15:04 |
| cristi | slytherin: ok, i didn't delete it | 15:04 |
| cristi | slytherin: was really close to though xD | 15:05 |
| hyperair | i don't know, when things get messy like this, sometimes it would be faster to just start over, don't you think? | 15:05 |
| slytherin | cristi: delete that .tmp file instead. | 15:05 |
| slytherin | hyperair: provided you have fast internet connection. | 15:06 |
| cristi | ok | 15:06 |
| cristi | now? | 15:06 |
| hyperair | slytherin: debootstrap takes at most 15 minutes on my desktop, and that's with 512kbps | 15:06 |
| slytherin | hyperair: 512 is fast. | 15:06 |
| hyperair | slytherin: you sure? | 15:06 |
| hyperair | it maxes out at 50 kB/s | 15:06 |
| slytherin | hyperair: yes. In the places I live, you either get fast speed or unlimited data transfer. Not both. | 15:07 |
| hyperair | slytherin: ouch. | 15:07 |
| hyperair | slytherin: i've got 512kbps, unlimited data transfer | 15:07 |
| hyperair | slytherin: which part of the world are you from anyway | 15:08 |
| slytherin | hyperair: India | 15:08 |
| hyperair | i see. | 15:08 |
| hyperair | your ISP sucks =( | 15:08 |
| hyperair | and i thought malaysian ISPs were bad | 15:09 |
| cristi | slytherin: uh i deleted the .tmp file, now i just run again sudo pbuilder --update --override-config ? | 15:09 |
| hyperair | cristi: yeah | 15:09 |
| cristi | slytherin: ok, finally done | 15:10 |
| cristi | slytherin: thank's a lot! :D | 15:11 |
| slytherin | cristi: welcome | 15:11 |
| ara | anyone willing to answer a migration to python 2.6 question?? any takers? :) | 15:58 |
| RainCT | ara: just ask, and if someone knows the answer he'll tell you :) | 15:59 |
| RainCT | although I guess you already know this | 15:59 |
| ara | :D | 15:59 |
| ara | well, the thing is that if in jaunty now you do 'apt-get source ldtp' and try to build it, it will fail | 16:00 |
| ara | the problem is that it does not use distutils | 16:00 |
| ScottK | What's the error? | 16:00 |
| ara | so I don't know how to fix it | 16:00 |
| ara | dh_install -i --sourcedir=debian/tmp | 16:01 |
| ara | dh_install: python-ldtp missing files (usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/*.py), aborting | 16:01 |
| ara | it does not find it, because it places them under /tmp instead | 16:01 |
| ara | (debian/tmp) | 16:01 |
| pochu | ara: what are the contents of your .install file? | 16:03 |
| ara | usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/*.py | 16:04 |
| ara | usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ldtplib/*.py | 16:04 |
| jpds | You'll have to change it to python2.6/dist-packages*. | 16:04 |
| ScottK | ara: Change it to usr/lib/python*/*-packages/*.py | 16:05 |
| ara | I already tried that | 16:05 |
| pochu | you guys are fast | 16:05 |
| ara | I already tried that :) | 16:05 |
| ScottK | ara: Tried which? | 16:05 |
| anakron | hi all | 16:05 |
| ara | I changed it to usr/lib/python*/dist-packages/*.py | 16:05 |
| ara | it didn't work | 16:05 |
| pochu | ara: can you do `ls debian/tmp/usr/lib/` when the build fails? | 16:05 |
| anakron | hi rainct, persia, thekorn. pedro_ | 16:05 |
| ScottK | ara: That's not what I suggested. | 16:06 |
| anakron | and Laney | 16:06 |
| anakron | :) | 16:06 |
| ara | ScottK, yes I am going to try it now | 16:06 |
| pochu | anakron: you're on a waving spree! | 16:06 |
| anakron | :-) | 16:06 |
| ScottK | Also if the issue is related to overall path, like /tmp/debian versus /tmp, that's unrelated to the new Python. | 16:06 |
| ara | ScottK: i tried your suggestion and it didn't work either | 16:07 |
| ScottK | OK. What error then? | 16:07 |
| ara | ScottK: smae | 16:08 |
| ara | ScottK: same | 16:08 |
| ScottK | ara: Can you pastbin the actual build failure message and your debian/rules? | 16:09 |
| ara | ScottK, pochu: these are the contents of debian/tmp after the failure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129373/ | 16:09 |
| ara | ScottK: it is the current package, without changes: if you do "apt-get source ldtp" you will have it all | 16:10 |
| ScottK | OK | 16:10 |
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| pochu | ara: it's installing things in /ldtplib rather than /usr/lib/python*/*packages :) | 16:11 |
| ara | pochu: not really | 16:11 |
| ara | pochu: it used to install things under /usr/lib/python*/*packages/ldtplib and /usr/lib/python*/*packages, and now it has lost that structure | 16:12 |
| ara | pochu: again, I didn't change anything on the packaging | 16:12 |
| ara | pochu: so I thought it might be something related to the python migratoin | 16:12 |
| pochu | ara: sure. I mean, right now it tried to install things in / ;) | 16:13 |
| pochu | or at least that's what your pastebin shows | 16:13 |
| * ScottK is going to try building it and see. | 16:14 | |
| ara | pochu: but I already saw that :) | 16:14 |
| ara | pochu: thanks anyway, I will keep trying | 16:15 |
| savvas | geser: thanks for sponsoring it! :) and sorry for the typo ("LP" instead of "LP:") | 16:31 |
| savvas | hm.. that's nice, debian bugs are now successfully tracked through launchpad :) | 16:36 |
| ScottK | ara: Change python-ldtp.install to *.py | 16:45 |
| ScottK | It at least builds. | 16:46 |
| ScottK | You'd have to see if the binary has all the right files in it. | 16:46 |
| ara | ScottK: it is an upstream bug. i am talking with upstream now, thanks! | 16:49 |
| ScottK | ara: Excellent. | 16:50 |
| savvas | Is there a command that outputs "i386" or "amd64" depending on the architecture? | 17:00 |
| savvas | arch isn't available unfortunately | 17:02 |
| RainCT | savvas: uname, but it returns other values than just i386/amd64 | 17:04 |
| savvas | uname -m ? I'll see what I can do with it, thanks :) | 17:04 |
| RainCT | and I'm not sure if it shows the architecture you are running one or that one for the kernel.. :P | 17:04 |
| savvas | oh :p | 17:04 |
| savvas | cristi: you asked to help for python transition? | 17:05 |
| cristi | savvas: yes, but geser helped me a lot | 17:05 |
| RainCT | savvas: I'm using it in pbuilder-dist, os.uname()[4].replace('x86_64', 'amd64').replace('i586', 'i386').replace('i686', 'i386') | 17:05 |
| RainCT | for bash, uname -m | <sed/awk..> should do the same | 17:06 |
| pochu | dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH | 17:06 |
| savvas | cristi: ah ok:) Since you also mentioned you're a beginner, I would suggest to start looking for bugs with "bitesize" tags: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize | 17:06 |
| savvas | pochu: now that's more like it :P thanks! :) | 17:07 |
| RainCT | pochu: uhmm nice | 17:07 |
| savvas | pochu: does it return i386 for i686 kernels as well? | 17:07 |
| maxb | Also, dpkg --print-architecture | 17:08 |
| cristi | savvas: they seem a bit difficult, i don't know. I tried to repair the xsensors package but i couldn't figure it out >_<. uhm and most bugs are taken for the ubuntu version | 17:08 |
| pochu | savvas: no idea, see dpkg-architecture(1) :) | 17:08 |
| savvas | hm, cool | 17:08 |
| maxb | dpkg --print-architecture definitely returns the string you expect to find in .deb file names. | 17:09 |
| pochu | savvas: and no, because I have a 686 kernel and it return 386 :) | 17:09 |
| maxb | Which is probably the same as DEB_HOST_ARCH | 17:09 |
| pochu | s/386/i386/ | 17:09 |
| RainCT | does someone know how often popcon.ubuntu.com is updated (the data, not the website :))? | 17:10 |
| cristi | savvas: can i have your opinion apout a pbuild build error? | 17:10 |
| savvas | cristi: sure, but don't forget that I'm a beginner as well, not a motu :) | 17:12 |
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| cristi | savvas: lol i thought you were a motu. however you surely know more about packaging than me so http://pastebin.com/m376c52b9 | 17:13 |
| savvas | pochu, maxb: just what I needed, awesome!! thanks :) | 17:13 |
| savvas | cristi: I think --install-layout is for python 2.6 | 17:14 |
| savvas | error: option --install-layout not recognized | 17:14 |
| cristi | savvas: is there really a problem with debian/rules ? | 17:14 |
| cristi | savvas: oh | 17:14 |
| savvas | cristi: try to substitute "for py in python2.4 python2.5" with "for py in python2.6 python2.5" | 17:15 |
| maxb | I think jaunty's python2.5 might well accept --install-layout as a no-op | 17:16 |
| savvas | cristi: is your pbuilder for jaunty release? | 17:16 |
| cristi | savvas: yes | 17:16 |
| cristi | savvas: i don't know where to substitute that | 17:17 |
| cristi | savvas: "for py in python2.4 python2.5" with "for py in python2.6 python2.5" | 17:17 |
| savvas | cristi: cool then :) - it's in the file debian/rules :) | 17:17 |
| cristi | savvas: >_< | 17:17 |
| savvas | cristi: found it? | 17:18 |
| cristi | savvas: one moment | 17:18 |
| savvas | maxb: right, I forgot :P | 17:18 |
| cristi | savvas: i can't find that phrase | 17:18 |
| cristi | i have a --install-layout=deb , it's what i added to rules | 17:20 |
| savvas | brb | 17:20 |
| savvas | cristi: can you paste the debian/rules file on pastebin? | 17:22 |
| cristi | savvas: sure | 17:22 |
| cristi | savvas: http://pastebin.com/m19039cb8 | 17:22 |
| savvas | cristi: can you paste debian/control as well? :) | 17:23 |
| savvas | cristi: and debian/pyversions as well, I forgot :) | 17:24 |
| cristi | savvas: http://pastebin.com/m630c5e16 | 17:24 |
| cristi | savvas: no pyversions | 17:25 |
| cristi | savvas: only pycompat | 17:25 |
| savvas | ah true | 17:25 |
| savvas | ok | 17:25 |
| savvas | so the log says "for py in python2.4 python2.5" | 17:26 |
| savvas | in debian/rules you have something similar: for py in $(PYVERS) | 17:26 |
| ScottK | savvas: That's the expansion of what's in rules | 17:26 |
| savvas | PYVERS is a variable in that file | 17:26 |
| cristi | savvas: ok, so what should i do? | 17:27 |
| savvas | cristi: if you look at the top of the rules file it says: PYVERS:=$(shell pyversions -r) | 17:27 |
| savvas | also in the log it says: # | 17:27 |
| savvas | pyversions: missing XS-Python-Version in control file, fall back to debian/pyversions | 17:27 |
| savvas | pyversions: missing debian/pyversions file, fall back to supported versions | 17:27 |
| savvas | # | 17:27 |
| ScottK | Which should work OK even if it's not preferred. | 17:28 |
| cristi | savvas: ah so i should change PYVERS to what? | 17:28 |
| savvas | ScottK: so XS-Python-Version isn't necessary at all? | 17:28 |
| cristi | note that i don't have intrepid, but 8.04 | 17:28 |
| savvas | cristi: if pbuilder is jaunty, it's fine :) | 17:29 |
| ScottK | It's supposed to be there, but the fallback should work. | 17:29 |
| cristi | savvas: it is | 17:29 |
| cristi | ScottK: so why doesn't it? | 17:29 |
| ScottK | Good questions. | 17:29 |
| savvas | ok cristi in debian/control under "Standards-Version: 3.7.2" try putting in a new line: XS-Python-Version: all | 17:29 |
| cristi | savvas: aha, ok | 17:30 |
| savvas | cristi: by the way, when did you last update pbuilder? | 17:31 |
| cristi | should i add these changes when running dch -i? | 17:31 |
| ScottK | cristi and savvas: From the build log you're building against Intrepid, not Jaunty | 17:31 |
| cristi | savvas: i installed it today | 17:31 |
| ScottK | That's the problem. | 17:31 |
| cristi | ScottK: uhm, so i should have a Jaunty pbuilder? | 17:32 |
| savvas | ah, I missed that :P | 17:32 |
| ScottK | Look at the version of python2.5 that's installed and then rmadison python2.5 | 17:32 |
| cristi | ScottK: i have no idea how to do that | 17:32 |
| ScottK | savvas: Would you please help cristi get her pbuilder to be Jaunty. | 17:33 |
| cristi | ScottK: his! xD omg | 17:33 |
| savvas | cristi: to remove the pbuilder you already have try this: sudo rm /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz | 17:33 |
| cristi | savvas: can't i just upgrade? | 17:33 |
| tillux | heya there. I'm looking for a way to build a pxe-bootable image with xserver, gtk etc... I don't know where to start so I thought it'd be best to ask the masters of the universe ;) | 17:34 |
| savvas | cristi: it's easier to start clean :) | 17:34 |
| ScottK | cristi: You can, but you'll end up with a slightly different configuration and it will take as long if not longer. | 17:34 |
| savvas | sudo pbuilder --create --debootstrapopts --distribution jaunty --components "main restricted universe multiverse" | 17:35 |
| ScottK | cristi: Every day isn't like this. The first day is the hardest. | 17:35 |
| cristi | savvas ScottK: ok, so i'll start over deleting | 17:35 |
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| cristi | ScottK: hope so | 17:35 |
| savvas | cristi: this is the command to create a new pbuilder ^ | 17:35 |
| cristi | savvas: done | 17:35 |
| ScottK | savvas: You might also consider recommending pbuilder-dist for new people. It's generally simpler. | 17:36 |
| cristi | savvas: oh w8 ok | 17:36 |
| savvas | ScottK: never heard about it :) I'll try it :P | 17:36 |
| ScottK | savvas: It's in ubuntu-dev-tools | 17:36 |
| ScottK | The equivalent is pbuilder-dist jaunty create | 17:36 |
| cristi | savvas: damn, i get an error | 17:37 |
| ScottK | Or you can symlink pbuilder-jaunty to it and do pbuilder-jaunty create. | 17:37 |
| savvas | cristi: what does it say? | 17:37 |
| cristi | savvas: http://pastebin.com/m54799feb | 17:37 |
| savvas | cristi: let's try with pbuilder-dist, install this: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools | 17:39 |
| cristi | savvas: i have them | 17:39 |
| savvas | great! execute: sudo pbuilder-dist jaunty create | 17:39 |
| cristi | still not | 17:40 |
| cristi | savvas: http://pastebin.com/m2e854888 | 17:40 |
| savvas | give me a sec | 17:41 |
| fta | pochu, you're welcome (pastebinit stdin) | 17:42 |
| * fta hugs pochu back | 17:42 | |
| savvas | cristi try: sudo pbuilder-dist jaunty create --mirror "http://archive.ubuntu.com" | 17:43 |
| cristi | savvas: it;s basically the same error | 17:44 |
| savvas | argh | 17:44 |
| savvas | give me a sec | 17:44 |
| cristi | savvas: [: 195: /home/cristi/pbuilder/jaunty-amd64_result: unexpected operator | 17:44 |
| cristi | savvas: this is extra | 17:44 |
| savvas | cristi: how about this: sudo pbuilder --create --debootstrapopts --distribution jaunty --components "main restricted universe multiverse" --mirror "http://archive.ubuntu.com" | 17:45 |
| cristi | savvas: same. | 17:45 |
| ScottK | cristi: Do you have hardy-backports enabled? | 17:46 |
| cristi | ScottK: i don't know what are those | 17:46 |
| ScottK | I think they are generally called unsupported updates or something similar | 17:47 |
| ScottK | savvas: cristi needs the deboostrap out of hardy-backports for this to work. | 17:47 |
| cristi | ScottK the instalation worked today | 17:48 |
| savvas | cristi: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntu.com/129431/plain/ -O /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/jaunty | 17:48 |
| savvas | cristi: and then: sudo pbuilder-dist jaunty create | 17:49 |
| savvas | if this doesn't work, we'll try ScottK 's suggestion :) | 17:49 |
| cristi | savvas: nice, it does (i think) | 17:49 |
| savvas | nevertheless, it's good to update debootstrap from backports repositories if you'll use pbuilder: http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10ubuntu1~hardy1_all.deb | 17:50 |
| mrooney | would anyone have time to get to bug 333639? It is an update request and I think everything is ready to go! | 17:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 333639 in wxbanker "Please update wxbanker to 0.4.1.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333639 | 17:50 |
| cristi | i am installing that too | 17:52 |
| savvas | cristi: it basically needed the script for the jaunty release, debootstrap didn't "know" about jaunty since it was released after hardy :) | 17:53 |
| stefanlsd | How can i use a different build place for pbuilder-dist. ive tried export BUILDPLACE and --buildplace. It defaults here - /tmp/buildd/ | 17:54 |
| cristi | savvas: hah, cute | 17:54 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: PBUILDFOLDER | 17:54 |
| savvas | cristi: once it's done, try rebuilding, without any changes (without adding XS-Python-Version), if ScottK is right, it should work :) | 17:54 |
| RainCT | ah, build place | 17:54 |
| RainCT | I don't know then :( | 17:54 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: nodnod. my /tmp is on lvm and its too small for this package... guess i could symlink it | 17:55 |
| savvas | stefanlsd: --buildplace should work | 17:56 |
| savvas | any errors? | 17:56 |
| cristi | savvas: i guess that it is common to create the tarball first, and it's not something that should have been created previously ?:-s | 17:57 |
| savvas | cristi: If I understood you correctly, every time you do a change in the debian source package you have to execute "dch -i" (add a changelog) and "debuild -S -sd" if the package is already in ubuntu (if the package is new or a new upstream release, use "debuild -S -sa") | 17:59 |
| savvas | cristi: you can skip "dch -i" if you already have changed the changelog :) | 17:59 |
| cristi | savvas: i got that so far | 18:00 |
| savvas | usually you get the debian source package along with the tarball with this command: apt-get source packagename | 18:01 |
| cristi | savvas: nonono, uhm i was refering to the pbuilder tarball | 18:01 |
| stefanlsd | savvas: this is using pbuilder-dist. does that make a difference? | 18:01 |
| savvas | stefanlsd: try with pbuilder (might be an error in the pbuilder-dist script?) | 18:02 |
| stefanlsd | savvas: will do. my pbuilder always used to work. not sure when in jaunty it stopped working. seems like it doesnt read my vars in ~/.pbuilderrc | 18:03 |
| savvas | cristi: I don't understand :\ you feed pbuilder with *.dsc files created using debuild :) | 18:04 |
| cristi | savvas: creating base tarball [/var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz] | 18:04 |
| cristi | savvas: this is what i was talking about | 18:04 |
| savvas | ah :P | 18:04 |
| savvas | it's created automatically if it's not already there | 18:05 |
| savvas | I mean.. | 18:05 |
| savvas | we use --create to create it | 18:05 |
| cristi | error: option --install-layout not recognized | 18:05 |
| cristi | savvas: unbeliveable | 18:06 |
| savvas | cristi: paste the whole log | 18:06 |
| cristi | savvas: http://pastebin.com/m6f64d9ba | 18:07 |
| savvas | Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main gettext-base 0.17-3ubuntu2 [83.9kB] | 18:07 |
| savvas | it still uses intrepid, weird | 18:07 |
| savvas | let me check that debootstrap script I gave you :P | 18:08 |
| cristi | savvas: :)) | 18:08 |
| savvas | cristi: try installing debootstrap from backports, the link I gave you earlier | 18:09 |
| cristi | savvas: uhm the problem might be with pbuilderrc? | 18:09 |
| cristi | savvas: i had it copied to ~/ | 18:10 |
| cristi | ~/.pbuiderrc could be the problem? i have DISTRIBUTION=intrepid there | 18:10 |
| savvas | er.. probably | 18:10 |
| savvas | remove that file | 18:10 |
| savvas | install debootstrap backports and try again: sudo rm /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz; sudo pbuilder-dist jaunty create | 18:11 |
| savvas | third time's the charm :P | 18:12 |
| cristi | savvas: :)) what should i get from the link you gave me? | 18:13 |
| savvas | cristi: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10ubuntu1~hardy1_all.deb; sudo dpkg -i debootstrap_1.0.10ubuntu1~hardy1_all.deb; sudo apt-get -f install | 18:14 |
| cristi | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 18:14 |
| cristi | savvas: i don;t think that's ok | 18:16 |
| cristi | savvas: eh, we'll see | 18:16 |
| savvas | cristi: did it complain about dependencies? | 18:17 |
| cristi | savvas: damn i didn't see an error | 18:18 |
| savvas | cristi: apt-cache policy debootstrap | 18:19 |
| savvas | it should show you which version is installed | 18:19 |
| savvas | debootstrap 1.0.10ubuntu1~hardy1 is the backport version | 18:19 |
| cristi | savvas: Installed: 1.0.10ubuntu1~hardy1 | 18:20 |
| savvas | cristi: and try again: sudo apt-get -f install | 18:20 |
| cristi | savvas: so it's ok? | 18:20 |
| savvas | if it doesn't complain, then it's alright :) | 18:20 |
| cristi | ok then rerunning pbuilder | 18:20 |
| savvas | great, good luck :D | 18:21 |
| cristi | savvas: i'll need it i guess ~_~ | 18:21 |
| savvas | cristi: check the logs while downloading | 18:22 |
| savvas | Distribution is jaunty. | 18:22 |
| savvas | it should say jaunty, not intrepid | 18:22 |
| cristi | savvas: it's jaunty | 18:23 |
| savvas | then it should be ok now :) | 18:25 |
| cristi | savvas: E: failed to find /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz, have you done <pbuilder create> to create your base tarball yet? | 18:27 |
| cristi | savvas: sudo pbuilder create? | 18:27 |
| savvas | cristi: you used pbuilder-dist ? | 18:28 |
| cristi | savvas: hm? no | 18:28 |
| savvas | try: sudo pbuilder-dist jaunty build yourfile.dsc | 18:28 |
| cristi | shift: 72: can't shift that many | 18:28 |
| cristi | savvas: -> creating base tarball [/home/cristi/pbuilder/jaunty-amd64-base.tgz] | 18:29 |
| * savvas scratches his head | 18:29 | |
| cristi | savvas: this is part of the pbuilder create | 18:29 |
| cristi | savvas: jaunty pbuilder create | 18:29 |
| savvas | cristi: try: sudo pbuilder-dist jaunty build yourfile.dsc | 18:29 |
| cristi | savvas: seems to be working, let's see results | 18:30 |
| savvas | ah, so pbuilder-dist installs the base files locally! :P | 18:30 |
| cristi | savvas: /:) i don't understand | 18:31 |
| savvas | 19:11:41 < savvas> install debootstrap backports and try again: sudo rm /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz; sudo pbuilder-dist jaunty create | 18:31 |
| savvas | if you used this command, you used pbuilder-dist to make the new .tgz pbuilder file | 18:31 |
| savvas | unless you set it to be created at /home/cristi/pbuilder/ :) | 18:32 |
| cristi | savvas: let me get you a bit of output because i don't really know if it is ok | 18:33 |
| cristi | savvas: http://pastebin.com/m452ccc06 | 18:34 |
| savvas | looks good, you got both 2.5 and 2.6 directories as far as I can see | 18:36 |
| cristi | savvas: now, how do i do the debdiff :D? what do i put there? i can see in the example 2 .dsc, which? | 18:38 |
| savvas | cristi: while in the directory of the package folder (e.g. "somepackage-1.0.1/") type: debdiff | 18:38 |
| cristi | debdiff: fatal error at line 248: Can't read file: debian/changelog | 18:39 |
| savvas | cristi: ls -l | 18:40 |
| cristi | savvas: hm i think i got it wrong | 18:40 |
| savvas | do you see a folder like somepackage-1.0.1/ ? | 18:40 |
| cristi | yes | 18:40 |
| savvas | then cd somepackage-1.0.1/ | 18:40 |
| savvas | :) | 18:40 |
| savvas | and then: debdiff | 18:40 |
| savvas | it should output a patch, that you can save: debdiff > ../mypatch.debdiff | 18:41 |
| savvas | ( to access it, cd .. and cat mypatch.debdiff ) | 18:42 |
| cristi | savvas: http://pastebin.com/m30d60c35 | 18:42 |
| savvas | cristi: sudo apt-get install devscripts | 18:42 |
| cristi | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 18:43 |
| savvas | ah | 18:43 |
| savvas | sudo apt-get install patchutils | 18:43 |
| savvas | :) | 18:43 |
| savvas | now try again: debdiff > ../mypatch.debdiff | 18:44 |
| savvas | cd .. | 18:44 |
| savvas | cat mypatch.debdiff | 18:44 |
| cristi | should mypatch.debdiff have a specific name? | 18:45 |
| savvas | well, no, but I like to use packagename_version.debdiff | 18:45 |
| cristi | savvas: ok, so it's done | 18:46 |
| savvas | yep | 18:46 |
| savvas | what did you add in the changelog? | 18:46 |
| savvas | ah wait | 18:46 |
| savvas | + * Python 2.6 transition: added --install-layout=deb to debian/rules | 18:46 |
| savvas | + * Modify Maintainer value to match the DebianMaintainerField | 18:46 |
| savvas | + specification. | 18:46 |
| savvas | cristi: did you find a bug open about this? | 18:47 |
| cristi | savvas: in the changelog? | 18:47 |
| savvas | cristi: hold a sec | 18:47 |
| savvas | cristi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pystatgrab | 18:48 |
| cristi | savvas: ? | 18:48 |
| savvas | since there are no bugs open for it, click "report a bug" | 18:49 |
| savvas | cristi: it's good to open a bug report about it, so you can close it afterwards :) | 18:49 |
| cristi | savvas: wait. what bug? | 18:49 |
| cristi | savvas: how did you reach a conclusion that there is a bug? | 18:50 |
| savvas | http://paste.ubuntu.com/129462/ | 18:50 |
| savvas | if you would have jaunty, you would see this error | 18:50 |
| savvas | you could report the bug with a subject as "fails to install in jaunty" | 18:51 |
| cristi | savvas: you took this out of one of my pastes ? | 18:51 |
| cristi | savvas: aha | 18:51 |
| savvas | or the error: "Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed | 18:51 |
| cristi | savvas: shouldn't i upload the package first? | 18:52 |
| savvas | cristi: upload it where? :) | 18:52 |
| cristi | submit for sponsoring ? | 18:52 |
| cristi | i don't really know what to do next | 18:52 |
| savvas | cristi: ok step by step | 18:53 |
| cristi | savvas: ok, so what's next ?:D | 18:53 |
| savvas | file the bug first, with the subject "fails to install in jaunty" and the error message in the description | 18:53 |
| savvas | then you check if your package is main or universe, it matters because you then know who to subscribe | 18:54 |
| savvas | check here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/python-statgrab | 18:54 |
| savvas | it says "[universe]" | 18:54 |
| === tonyyaru1so is now known as tonyyarusso | ||
| cristi | savvas: should i give an advanced report? | 18:54 |
| cristi | savvas: if so, what tags should i put? | 18:55 |
| savvas | cristi: nothing :) but if you want to, I think these are correct: bitesize packaging | 18:56 |
| savvas | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags | 18:56 |
| cristi | savvas: ok i submited | 18:57 |
| savvas | ok so we know it's in universe, as I explained above | 18:57 |
| cristi | savvas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pystatgrab/+bug/340681 | 18:58 |
| savvas | you have to subscribe the sponsors for universe | 18:58 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 340681 in pystatgrab "fails to install in jaunty" [Undecided,New] | 18:58 |
| savvas | click "subscribe someone else" | 18:58 |
| cristi | savvas: who? | 18:58 |
| savvas | actually wait | 18:59 |
| savvas | cristi: a couple of things to change in your debian/changelog | 18:59 |
| savvas | 1) Remove this: "* Modify Maintainer value to match the DebianMaintainerField specification." | 19:00 |
| cristi | savvas: ok, done? | 19:00 |
| savvas | in ubuntu it's not required to mention that you changed it to Ubuntu MOTU Developers :) | 19:00 |
| cristi | savvas: do i now rebuild and debdiff? | 19:00 |
| savvas | and 2) include this: * LP: #340681 | 19:00 |
| cristi | what is that | 19:01 |
| savvas | that's a code the launchpad janitor detects when someone uploads the source - it uses it to close the bugs :) | 19:01 |
| cristi | savvas: so i rebuild and debdiff? | 19:01 |
| savvas | you can use (LP: #nnnn) or in any way you like, as long as it says "LP: #1234" | 19:01 |
| savvas | yes | 19:01 |
| savvas | then attach that patch to the bug page | 19:02 |
| savvas | "Add a comment/attachment | 19:02 |
| savvas | by clicking ^ | 19:02 |
| ScottK | (LP: #nnnn) is the preferred formulation. | 19:02 |
| cristi | savvas: ah, how do i recreate the .diff? | 19:02 |
| savvas | debdiff > ../mypatch.debdiff | 19:03 |
| savvas | cristi: also note what ScottK mentioned :) | 19:03 |
| cristi | savvas: ok | 19:03 |
| savvas | (just don't forger that ":" as I have :P) | 19:04 |
| savvas | *forget | 19:04 |
| cristi | savvas: now, starting from scratch, after editing the changelog what was i supposed to do again? | 19:04 |
| cristi | savvas: i put * LP: #340681 | 19:04 |
| cristi | savvas: so it's with the ":" | 19:04 |
| savvas | well you can change it again if you want to :) | 19:05 |
| savvas | * Python 2.6 transition: added --install-layout=deb to debian/rules (LP: #340681) | 19:05 |
| cristi | savvas: debuild -S -us -uc ? | 19:05 |
| savvas | (without "* LP: #340681") | 19:05 |
| cristi | i'm confused now | 19:06 |
| cristi | savvas: * Python 2.6 transition: added --install-layout=deb to debian/rules | 19:06 |
| cristi | * LP: #340681 | 19:06 |
| savvas | ok open the editor and open debian/changelog | 19:06 |
| cristi | savvas: is this ok? | 19:06 |
| savvas | Remove * LP: #340681 | 19:06 |
| savvas | And use: * Python 2.6 transition: added --install-layout=deb to debian/rules (LP: #340681) | 19:06 |
| cristi | savvas: and that's it? | 19:06 |
| savvas | then save and do as you said: debuild -S -us -uc | 19:06 |
| savvas | I hope so :) | 19:07 |
| savvas | cristi: by the way, note the errors that debuild mentions, especially the ones from lintian checking | 19:08 |
| === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand | ||
| savvas | if the package comes from debian, just note them, don't do anything to follow or fix them | 19:09 |
| savvas | the less changes ubuntu has from debian, the easier is to follow debian again during debian sync stage (synchronisation of packages) :) | 19:10 |
| cristi | savvas: ok | 19:10 |
| cristi | savvas: i finished debdiff | 19:10 |
| cristi | savvas: now what ? | 19:10 |
| savvas | 20:02:20 < savvas> "Add a comment/attachment | 19:10 |
| savvas | and attach that file | 19:11 |
| savvas | *that debdiff | 19:11 |
| cristi | savvas: so i should attach the debdiff to the bug report? | 19:11 |
| savvas | exactly | 19:12 |
| savvas | and check that "this attachment is a patch" check mark | 19:12 |
| ScottK | Ping me when it's there and I'll review it. | 19:12 |
| savvas | will do :) | 19:13 |
| cristi | savvas: uhm you told me the is a patch thingy too late.. i already uploaded the .debdiff | 19:13 |
| savvas | cristi: no problemo | 19:14 |
| cristi | savvas: i can edit that? | 19:14 |
| savvas | cristi: see the patch on the right menu? | 19:14 |
| savvas | there's an "edit" below it | 19:14 |
| cristi | savvas: :D | 19:14 |
| savvas | you can thank the launchpad developers for that ;) | 19:14 |
| cristi | savvas: mkay | 19:15 |
| cristi | savvas: and now, what goes next? | 19:15 |
| savvas | cristi: ok so now you have your bug, your LP: #nnn in the changelog, and the patch uploaded. you're ready to subscribe the universe sponsors | 19:15 |
| savvas | subscribe some else and add: ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 19:16 |
| cristi | savvas: i am not understanding what you want me to do | 19:16 |
| savvas | click "Subscribe someone else" | 19:17 |
| savvas | Person: ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 19:17 |
| savvas | click Add | 19:17 |
| cristi | savvas: and that's it? | 19:18 |
| savvas | cristi: and that's it :) | 19:19 |
| cristi | savvas: savvas and the package? | 19:19 |
| savvas | cristi: if you find another bug with this problem, you of course subscribe yourself to the bug report | 19:19 |
| savvas | cristi: you attach debdiffs for patches, OR diff.gz for new upstream releases | 19:20 |
| cristi | savvas: no, uhm, i mean the package, don't i upload any packages or whatever? | 19:20 |
| savvas | I don't know, I don't generally do that :) | 19:20 |
| savvas | sponsors usually check the packages on their own | 19:21 |
| cristi | savvas: so i only look for errors and report them? or what? | 19:21 |
| savvas | cristi: I would look for bitesize stuff | 19:22 |
| savvas | usually they already contain easy stuff that needs to be done | 19:22 |
| savvas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize | 19:22 |
| cristi | savvas: i don't understand what exactly is going on | 19:22 |
| cristi | so far | 19:22 |
| cristi | i got that package, edited what should have been edited, debuild, debdiff | 19:23 |
| cristi | and uploaded the debdiff because there was an error? | 19:23 |
| savvas | it's a python transition | 19:24 |
| savvas | let me explain | 19:24 |
| ScottK | cristi: I'm reviewing your debdiff and if it's good, I'll upload a package with those changes. | 19:24 |
| savvas | ubuntu developers decided to use python 2.6 as the standard python version for ubuntu jaunty | 19:24 |
| ScottK | cristi: There is an extra changelog.dch.save file in your diff. I'll remove it, but watch out for that in the future. | 19:25 |
| cristi | ScottK: oooh so a motu looks at the debdiff and makes the changes, and uploads the package? | 19:25 |
| savvas | cristi: exactly :) | 19:25 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 19:25 |
| savvas | sponsors = motu | 19:25 |
| savvas | for universe :P | 19:25 |
| cristi | savvas: i see, that really makes sence | 19:25 |
| savvas | so everything's ok now? :) | 19:26 |
| cristi | savvas: however, where do i upload the debdiff if i don't get any bugs when building? | 19:26 |
| savvas | cristi: there are always bugs! you mean you don't see them because you don't use jaunty :) | 19:27 |
| cristi | savvas: so there is no chance not to be a bug | 19:27 |
| savvas | then, as I said use a detailed subject such as "cannot install in jaunty (python transition required)" | 19:27 |
| savvas | cristi: if there's no bug, why would you change it? | 19:28 |
| ScottK | cristi: One other point is line lengths no longer than 79 characters in debian/changelog. I also fixed that. | 19:28 |
| cristi | nice | 19:28 |
| savvas | cristi: note that sponsors don't usually fix the patches :P | 19:29 |
| cristi | ScottK: ok, thank you | 19:29 |
| cristi | savvas: so, i should have respected the line lenght and removed the changelog.dch.save | 19:30 |
| savvas | cristi: yep! | 19:30 |
| cristi | alright! | 19:30 |
| savvas | hm.. | 19:31 |
| cristi | so, i'm done! | 19:31 |
| savvas | ScottK: which line was it? | 19:31 |
| savvas | cristi: yes :) | 19:31 |
| savvas | welcome to the packaging side of the world!! :D | 19:32 |
| ScottK | savvas: The only line in debian/changelog that was added. | 19:32 |
| savvas | oh, "* Python 2.6 transition: added --install-layout=deb to debian/rules (LP: #340681) | 19:32 |
| cristi | savvas: :D thank you | 19:32 |
| savvas | good to know :P | 19:32 |
| savvas | cristi: another note, you start a new line under the first character of the previous one | 19:33 |
| cristi | ScottK: how am i supposed to spot that fast? | 19:33 |
| savvas | * Python da da da | 19:33 |
| ScottK | cristi: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu. | 19:33 |
| savvas | new line | 19:33 |
| cristi | ScottK Thank you! :D yay! | 19:33 |
| savvas | cristi: perhaps the line lentgth was mentioned in the lintian errors :) | 19:34 |
| ScottK | cristi: I use either vim which tells me what column I'm in or Kate which I have set to have a vertical line at 80 characters. | 19:34 |
| savvas | *length | 19:34 |
| cristi | savvas: thank you a lot for the help and lost time :D | 19:34 |
| ScottK | savvas: It's not. | 19:34 |
| ScottK | savvas: Thank you for helping out. | 19:34 |
| savvas | ScottK: ah ok :P anytime! :) | 19:34 |
| savvas | cristi: anytime as well :) | 19:34 |
| ScottK | cristi: Generally it takes some longer time to get sponsored, but I took you out of turn since it was your first one. | 19:34 |
| cristi | ScottK: i see, thank you again then :) | 19:35 |
| cristi | last question for today, how do i spot more of these python transition packages? | 19:35 |
| ScottK | cristi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/pystatgrab/0.4-1.1ubuntu1 | 19:36 |
| cristi | ScottK thanks | 19:37 |
| savvas | cristi: you have to use the development release for that :) | 19:37 |
| savvas | grep-aptavail -F Depends "python (<< 2.6)" -sPackage | 19:37 |
| cristi | savvas: development release for what? | 19:38 |
| savvas | 20:36:00 < cristi> last question for today, how do i spot more of these python transition packages? | 19:38 |
| savvas | you can use: grep-aptavail -F Depends "python (<< 2.6)" -sPackage | 19:38 |
| savvas | development release = jaunty for now :) | 19:38 |
| cristi | savvas: ok, so the packages listed are the ones that need editing for the transition | 19:39 |
| savvas | cristi: you always check the launchpad for bugs and the source logs | 19:49 |
| savvas | example, for binary package python-statgrab, the source package is: pystatgrab | 19:49 |
| cristi | savvas: yes.. i thought of that, you probably get all the packages with that grep command | 19:49 |
| savvas | you go to: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sourcepackagename | 19:49 |
| savvas | that means: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pystatgrab | 19:50 |
| savvas | you see if there's anything about python transition mentioned | 19:50 |
| savvas | cristi: here's a list from jaunty: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129491/ | 19:50 |
| maxb | You could also use -sSource instead of -sPackage for the grep-aptavail | 19:51 |
| cristi | savvas: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-renpy returned nothing | 19:51 |
| savvas | http://paste.ubuntu.com/129493/ | 19:52 |
| maxb | best then to feed it through sort -u, since some sources will build multiple python binary packages | 19:52 |
| savvas | ok, as maxb said :P | 19:52 |
| cristi | savvas: so that means that i can edit the package? | 19:52 |
| cristi | aha.. | 19:52 |
| maxb | cristi: The binary package python-renpy is built by the source package renpy | 19:52 |
| savvas | cristi: binary package names != source package names (not always :) ) | 19:52 |
| maxb | Also, 1 source package builds 1 *or more* binary packages | 19:53 |
| savvas | cristi: here's the list with maxb 's suggestion: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129494/ | 19:53 |
| cristi | maxb: ah ok, thanks, so -sSource | 19:54 |
| savvas | grep-aptavail -F Depends "python (<< 2.6)" -sSource | sort -u | 19:55 |
| cristi | and if i get a page not found, i can edit the package, else it has already been done? | 19:55 |
| maxb | uhm, no, not at all | 19:55 |
| maxb | If you get a page not found, you've constructed a broken URL | 19:55 |
| maxb | So there's no package by that name for you to edit | 19:55 |
| cristi | maxb: so how do i know which package to edit ? | 19:56 |
| maxb | uh, because you just picked one from the list? | 19:56 |
| savvas | here's a final list with links: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129497/ :P | 19:57 |
| * savvas loves the Linkification add-on for firefox :) | 19:57 | |
| cristi | xD | 19:58 |
| savvas | maxb: do you know a devscript that changes the control Maintainer field to ubuntu motu "automagically"? :) | 19:59 |
| maxb | update-maintainer? | 19:59 |
| savvas | let me check | 20:00 |
| savvas | cool! thanks :) | 20:01 |
| hyperair | hmm i never knew there was such a thing | 20:01 |
| hyperair | quite useful | 20:01 |
| fabrice_sp_ | Hi. If I'm getting this error: objcopy:debian/iiimf-server/usr/lib/stA2gQhj: cannot create debug link section `debian/iiimf-server/usr/lib/debug//usr/lib/libiiimutils.so.0.0.0': Invalid operation. Where should I open a bug report? | 20:01 |
| savvas | maxb: it checks if it main or motu appropriately? | 20:02 |
| * maxb gently nudges savvas at the manpage | 20:02 | |
| savvas | :P ok got the message haha | 20:02 |
| hyperair | lol | 20:02 |
| savvas | it does, nice :) | 20:04 |
| eMerzh | I'm looking for a MOTU review on my package (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman ) thansk :) | 20:13 |
| LiraNuna | Hello, I want to be able to cross compile 32bit on 64bit environment. I got gcc/g++ -m32 working, but I still can't cross compile when it comes to extra libraries | 20:41 |
| LiraNuna | for example, libpng, I have it as 64bit library but not as 32bit | 20:42 |
| LiraNuna | any idea what package I need to install to achieve cross compile environment? | 20:43 |
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| Amaranth | LiraNuna: so you just need a 32-bit libpng to link to? | 20:44 |
| LiraNuna | not 'just' libpng, I'm using libpng as an eample | 20:44 |
| LiraNuna | example* | 20:44 |
| Amaranth | ia32-libs | 20:44 |
| LiraNuna | I got this installed. | 20:45 |
| LiraNuna | $ apt-cache policy ia32-libs ia32-libs: Installed: 2.2ubuntu18 | 20:45 |
| Amaranth | LiraNuna: well that has /usr/lib32/libpng.so | 20:45 |
| LiraNuna | hmm, that's correct - but GCC cannot find it | 20:46 |
| * Amaranth checks wine to see what it does | 20:47 | |
| LiraNuna | ... wine ? | 20:47 |
| Nafallo | red please | 20:47 |
| Amaranth | wine on ubuntu amd64 is a 32-bit app | 20:47 |
| Nafallo | oh. oops. | 20:47 |
| LiraNuna | Amaranth, ah, I see | 20:47 |
| Amaranth | LiraNuna: so it is one example of building a 32-bit app on a 64-bit system | 20:47 |
| LiraNuna | I use gcc/g++ -m32 | 20:48 |
| LiraNuna | and I use g++-multilib package | 20:48 |
| Amaranth | looks like you need --libdir | 20:48 |
| Amaranth | assuming the app is using autotools | 20:48 |
| LiraNuna | no, custom makefiles | 20:49 |
| LiraNuna | http://rafb.net/p/cjmTEG43.html | 20:49 |
| Amaranth | the problem is you can't use -lpng12 | 20:50 |
| Amaranth | you have to give it the library path explicitly | 20:50 |
| LiraNuna | bleh, -L/usr/lib32/ ? | 20:50 |
| Amaranth | that might work, i dunno | 20:51 |
| LiraNuna | isn't that hardcoding ... | 20:51 |
| LiraNuna | oh, I am using pkg-config | 20:52 |
| LiraNuna | `pkg-config --cflags --libs $(PACKAGES)` | 20:52 |
| Amaranth | yeah, can't do that | 20:52 |
| LiraNuna | anyway to tell it 'use 32bit version' ? | 20:52 |
| Amaranth | you'll have to hard code | 20:52 |
| Amaranth | there is no pkg-config file for the 32-bit versions | 20:53 |
| LiraNuna | I lose portability this way... | 20:53 |
| LiraNuna | damn :( | 20:53 |
| LiraNuna | thanks for your help and your time | 20:53 |
| Amaranth | LiraNuna: if you were using autotools it would be possible to do it dynamically like wine | 20:54 |
| LiraNuna | autotools is heavy and bulky, I'd rather not use it | 20:54 |
| Amaranth | although to be honest building wine on 64-bit seems to be a big magic, I've never managed to build it locally | 20:54 |
| Amaranth | s/big/bit/ | 20:55 |
| cristi | can anyone provide a link with what to do for the python 2.6 transition? | 20:56 |
| ScottK | cristi: I can tell you how I've been finding packages than need work .... | 20:57 |
| ScottK | You can do pbuilder login to login to your Jaunty chroot. | 20:58 |
| ScottK | That will give you a shell in a Jaunty environment. | 20:58 |
| ScottK | Then do apt-cache rdepends python2.5 | 20:58 |
| ScottK | That will give you a list of packages that still have a direct depends on 2.5 (some are OK and some are not) | 20:58 |
| cristi | ScottK i see | 20:58 |
| ScottK | Then try and install them in your chroot. The ones that refuse to install with the depends on python << 2.6 error need work. | 20:59 |
| cristi | ScottK i was referring to what to do once you get the package, what to do to the package | 20:59 |
| ScottK | I'm sure there are far more efficient ways to do it, but that works for me. | 20:59 |
| ScottK | First look in the debian directory for any hard coded references to site-packages. | 21:00 |
| ScottK | If you find those, that guarantees the package needs modfication. | 21:00 |
| ScottK | If not, try a test build and see if it rebuilds without change. | 21:00 |
| ScottK | If it doesn't then you know you have stuff to fix. | 21:00 |
| ScottK | If it does, examine the results of the build and see if it installs files in /usr/local or any odd places. | 21:01 |
| ScottK | There are many ways to do this. I use debc. | 21:01 |
| ScottK | From your pystatgrab build you should be able to do debc pystatgrab_0.4-1.1ubuntu1_i386.changes|less in the dir with the results from your build. | 21:02 |
| ScottK | If that looks sane it may just need a rebuild. | 21:03 |
| cristi | ScottK ok, thanks | 21:03 |
| ScottK | That's the general process I follow. | 21:04 |
| cristi | ScottK thanks again for the help today | 21:10 |
| cristi | good night all | 21:11 |
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| savvas | bug 340783 for python transition :) | 22:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 340783 in ensymble "Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340783 | 22:10 |
| savvas | and this time the LP: #nnn is correct :P | 22:10 |
| lfaraone | Hi, it seems like I might have broken the public portion of my GPG key. This must have happened a while ago, because none of the keyservers I've checked have a valid copy. Is there any way to find the public portion of my key, possibly from an archive or something? | 22:11 |
| savvas | lfaraone: name? | 22:12 |
| savvas | I'll try and check :) | 22:13 |
| drewmeigs | hi, everyone. | 22:19 |
| savvas | lfaraone: Luke Faraone (Prior keys lost) <luke.faraone at gmail dot com> ? | 22:20 |
| savvas | there seems to be an old one revoked: 1024 bit DSA key 32799A20, created: 2007-04-22 (revoked) | 22:21 |
| drewmeigs | i know this question is probably asked many times each day, but i was wondering if anyone had some advice on joining you guys aside from what is in the wiki? i would really like to join your group. | 22:22 |
| ScottK | drewmeigs: My advice is just dive in, get to work, and ask questions as you have them. | 22:23 |
| lfaraone | savvas: oops, yes, it's 0AC-something | 22:24 |
| lfaraone | savvas: sorry, I was away | 22:24 |
| lfaraone | savvas: http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/stats/0AC70206.html | 22:24 |
| drewmeigs | thank you ScottK. is it difficult to get a mentor or guide? | 22:24 |
| lfaraone | drewmeigs: well, what do you know already? | 22:24 |
| savvas | lfaraone: try: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --search-keys "faraone" | 22:24 |
| lfaraone | drewmeigs: (about programming/packaging etc) | 22:25 |
| ScottK | drewmeigs: There is a formal mentorship program that has a wait, but if you're a bit of a self starter you don't need one. | 22:25 |
| ScottK | There is almost always someone here willing to help. | 22:25 |
| lfaraone | ScottK: 1024 bit DSA key 0AC70206, created: 2008-01-24 | 22:25 |
| lfaraone | savvas: * 1024 bit DSA key 0AC70206, created: 2008-01-24 | 22:25 |
| drewmeigs | i have read through the wiki and have some theoretical knowledge. im not saying i am ready to be a member today or anything. i mean, i dont need someone to hold my hand, but i would like someone who could really be a mentor to me. that would be nice. sort of a designated resource and guide. | 22:26 |
| ScottK | lfaraone: Why are you pointing me at that? | 22:26 |
| savvas | lfaraone: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 32799A20 | 22:26 |
| savvas | lfaraone: it worked for me :) I think I got the revoked key | 22:27 |
| lfaraone | savvas: yeah, that's my old key. | 22:27 |
| savvas | ScottK: error :) | 22:27 |
| ScottK | Fair enough. | 22:27 |
| lfaraone | savvas: which I revoked because I had the other one, which is now broken. | 22:27 |
| lfaraone | drewmeigs: feel free to ask us any questions you have. | 22:28 |
| ScottK | drewmeigs: If you look on the wiki there is stuff about the mentorship program. | 22:28 |
| lfaraone | drewmeigs: do you know how to get started with MOTU? | 22:28 |
| joaopinto | drewmeigs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring | 22:28 |
| savvas | lfaraone: so wait, you want to use your revoked key? | 22:28 |
| lfaraone | savvas: No, I mean 0AC70206's public key is broken on the keyserver; try to use it. | 22:29 |
| * lfaraone will be right back, dinner. | 22:29 | |
| drewmeigs | i have read the wiki and all. would someone mind telling me a good way to get started? im not sure i was entirely clear on that. | 22:30 |
| savvas | lfaraone: revoked key: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129555/ and key 0AC70206: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129554/ | 22:35 |
| drewmeigs | well thanks for your help, guys. i appreciate it. i'll go back and read the documentation some more. | 22:41 |
| lfaraone | savvas: yes, when I import 0AC70206 (my non-revoked pubkey) onto a clean system and run "gpg --encrypt 0AC7026", I get gpg: 0AC70206: skipped: unusable public key | 22:43 |
| ScottK | drewmeigs: We're in the middle of trying to update packages for Python 2.6. If you look at the logs for earlier today where savvas and I were talking with crissi you can get a good tutorial on getting started with something useful. See irclogs.ubuntu.com. | 22:44 |
| savvas | ScottK: you were some seconds late :) | 22:47 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 22:48 |
| ScottK | Oh well. | 22:48 |
| savvas | and I didn't notice him unfortunately | 22:48 |
| savvas | I've sent him a query message | 22:49 |
| ScottK | OK. Good. | 22:50 |
| savvas | lfaraone: no idea, sorry - the only thing I could recommend it to try and change the expiry date on the new key - maybe that would make it work :) | 22:54 |
| savvas | *recommend is | 22:55 |
| lfaraone | ScottK: ... oh? | 22:55 |
| savvas | fix that tab key :) | 22:55 |
| lfaraone | savvas: is that seriously the problem? | 22:55 |
| lfaraone | savvas: that too. :P | 22:55 |
| lfaraone | ScottK: (sorry) | 22:55 |
| savvas | I've no idea, just a hunch :P | 22:55 |
| lfaraone | savvas: expires 2010-01-01 according to seahorse | 22:56 |
| lfaraone | savvas: although there's an el-gamal subkey that expired 3 months ago... | 22:57 |
| savvas | lfaraone: I meant bump the expiration, until 2010-06-01 or 2011-01-01, this could possibly allow you to reissue the key | 22:59 |
| lfaraone | savvas: ah. | 23:02 |
| savvas | lfaraone: any luck? :) | 23:05 |
| lfaraone | savvas: none yet. | 23:11 |
| lfaraone | savvas: hm, it seems to work fine. | 23:12 |
| lfaraone | savvas: can you try importing it from subkeys.pgp.net and encrypting something? | 23:12 |
| savvas | lfaraone: I don't know how to use other people's keys other than mine :\ | 23:14 |
| lfaraone | savvas: gpg --recv-keys 0AC70206; echo blah | gpg -a -e -s -r 0AC70206 | 23:14 |
| maxb | lfaraone: So, you can sign, but you can't encrypt? | 23:15 |
| savvas | lfaraone: that one seems to work :) | 23:16 |
| savvas | http://paste.ubuntu.com/129564/plain/ | 23:17 |
| savvas | mine is key 94185BB9 :P | 23:18 |
| lfaraone | maxb: people couldn't encrypt to me because my el-gamal key was expired and GPG didn't tell me :) | 23:18 |
| * pochu lols at bug 337396 | 23:19 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 337396 in gstreamer0.10 "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_set_valist()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337396 | 23:19 |
| lfaraone | In other news, I'm currently using an ElGamal encryption key and a DSA signing key. Isn't DSA insecure? | 23:19 |
| pochu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX3F_uVDANA | 23:20 |
| maxb | I think that's still the combination that gnupg suggests for generating new keys, so why do you think so? | 23:22 |
| savvas | lfaraone: isn't the bits number that matters? :) | 23:23 |
| lfaraone | maxb: I thought I saw someone say somethign to that effect. Wasn't backed up by anything, however. | 23:23 |
| lfaraone | savvas: quite. | 23:23 |
| maxb | It's conceivable that DSA is weak for encryption but not for signing... but I'm not a crypto expert :-) | 23:24 |
| lfaraone | maxb: ah. | 23:24 |
| maxb | Generally I trust the GnuPG guys to be recommending something sane | 23:24 |
| lfaraone | maxb: obviously it's just easier to do rubber-hose cryptanalysis or guess my passphrase :) | 23:25 |
| maxb | meh, I'd like to see people guess my passphrase | 23:26 |
| maxb | It's >30 characters | 23:26 |
| lfaraone | maxb: lord. | 23:26 |
| lfaraone | maxb: I prolly should regen my keys anyway, my passphrase is much less than that. | 23:26 |
| lfaraone | maxb: (between 8 and 12) | 23:26 |
| maxb | 'tis amazing how quickly you can type a decently long passphrase once your fingers are used to it, if you choose one which flows over the keyboard | 23:27 |
| lfaraone | maxb: is it a sentance? | 23:27 |
| maxb | no, it's an obscure bit of trivia drawn from an obscure sci-fi book | 23:28 |
| lfaraone | maxb: which book? :P | 23:29 |
| maxb | sufficiently obscure that I feel comfortable announcing that to the world :-) | 23:29 |
| maxb | Hah! | 23:29 |
| lfaraone | maxb: ah, so not something like "Foundation" | 23:29 |
| lfaraone | maxb: keep in mind this is archived for all eternity :) | 23:29 |
| maxb | The important things being that (a) it's pronouncable, and (b) it's no words you'll ever find in a dictionary | 23:30 |
| savvas | so now it works? :P | 23:31 |
| lfaraone | maxb: savvas yeah. | 23:32 |
| lfaraone | maxb: plugh! | 23:32 |
| lfaraone | maxb: so something like eezeefooyotuviaseewalahmuCietu or kauxiHevahdahvohSietahcenaiDor? | 23:33 |
| maxb | I think I recognize pwgen at work here :-) | 23:34 |
| lfaraone | maxb: hehe. | 23:36 |
| lfaraone | maxb: I'd assume that pwgen passwords are *not* secure? | 23:36 |
| maxb | Well, they're a whole lot more secure than anything that can be dictionary-attacked | 23:36 |
| savvas | great :) | 23:37 |
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| maxb | Obviously they're not quite as secure as 8 fully random chars, but you've got to draw the line somewhere | 23:39 |
| savvas | is it safer than "I'm a real bada**, I just love me!" :p | 23:39 |
| maxb | "It depends" | 23:40 |
| maxb | :-) | 23:40 |
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