[00:02] <asac> fta: by hal?
[00:02] <asac> fta: what is the device name in the /dev hierarchy?
[00:02] <fta> yes
[00:02] <asac> ttyUSB0?
[00:03] <fta> yes, 1st try, then 1, 2, ...
[00:03] <asac> fta: so lets say thats it ... then please disconnect from network (maybe stopi NM) and run:
[00:03] <asac> /lib/udev/nm-modem-probe --verbose --export /sys/class/tty/ttyUSB0
[00:07] <fta> asac, it fails with error 21
[00:07] <fta> fails on open()
[00:07] <asac> fta: that means its still locked from NM or ppp or in kernel or so
[00:07] <asac> fta: you really need to stop everytihng to be safe
[00:08] <asac> e.g. i get that error when my modem is in use
[00:08] <asac> probably means resource not available or something
[00:08] <asac> fta: osrry ;)
[00:08] <fta> hm, interesting, will i killed nm, the kernel says it disconnected ttyUSB0 and 1, while the last that I used was 2
[00:08] <asac> fta: /dev/ttyUSB0 ;)
[00:08] <asac> no the sysfs thing
[00:09] <fta> -will+when
[00:09] <asac> yeah. try the /dev/ devices you have
[00:09] <fta> in /sys/class/tty/ttyUS*, i just have 2 and 3
[00:10] <fta> both fail on open with code 21
[00:10] <asac> fta: /dev please ;)
[00:10] <asac> fta: not /sys
[00:10] <asac> e.g. /dev/ttyUSB0
[00:10] <fta> same, just 2 and 3 in /dev/ttyUS*
[00:11] <asac> fta: yes. but run the proper agsinst that
[00:11] <fta> better
[00:11] <asac> /lib/udev/nm-modem-probe --verbose --export /dev/ttyUSB2
[00:11] <asac> and USB1
[00:11] <asac> try both
[00:11] <asac> err USB3
[00:11] <asac> fta: please paste the output
[00:12] <fta> hm, 3 was very verbose once, but now, just a few lines
[00:13] <asac> fta: just paste everything ;)
[00:16] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/129014/
[00:18] <asac> fta: yeah. NM should have detected your ttyUSB2 through udev then
[00:18] <asac> bit strange
[00:18] <asac> maybe some bustage
[00:19] <asac> fta: maybe keep your eyes open if that happens randomly (e.g. sometimes "detected through udev" and sometimes "detected through hal")
[00:19] <asac> fta: thats a huawai usb thing with "option" driver, right?
[00:20] <asac> fta: oh shit. all fine
[00:21] <asac> fta: i forgot the "prefer" hal patch and seems i uploaded that ;)
[00:21] <asac> hmm or maybe not
[00:21] <asac> let me g
[00:21] <asac> grab latest from bzr
[00:21] <asac> hmm ... no i dont
[00:22] <fta> i have your nm ppa enabled
[00:22] <asac> fta: what version for network-manager package?
[00:23] <fta> 0.7.1~rc3
[00:23] <fta> -0u1
[00:23] <asac> thats ok ... main arcihve thing
[00:23] <asac> fta: so yes. please next time when you boot or something if its always that way ;) ... or maybe just on replugging and so on.
[00:24] <asac> usually if the proper succeeds it should get detected by udev
[00:24] <fta> i grepped my logs, always hal
[00:24] <asac> fta: its new
[00:24] <asac> e.g. since rc3
[00:25] <asac> so before it was always hal
[00:25] <fta> so still hal here
[00:25] <fta> the thing is, i don't use it everyday, mostly during w-e when i'm away
[00:27] <fta> i will try to unlock my other sim in xp using qemu
[00:27] <asac> hmm
[00:28] <asac> fta: what do you have in /lib/udev/rules.d/77-nm-probe-modem-capabilities.rules
[00:28] <asac> ?
[00:28] <fta> it's the one that i don't have to pay for
[00:28] <asac> fta: have you tried to restart NM?
[00:28] <asac> e.g. without replugging the device?
[00:29] <fta> i had to, to pastebin your stuff, i restarted nm and replugged my wire
[00:29] <asac> fta: and it detected the key with hal again?
[00:29] <asac> or did you remove the device?
[00:30] <asac> btw, you can stay on wired ;)
[00:30] <asac> at least until you try to restart NM you can just keep using wired to try broadband connecgt
[00:30] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/129018/
[00:31] <asac> fta: you could try to increase the delay to 5 seconds or something
[00:31] <asac> 2 seconds is quite tight and might not be true on all systems
[00:31] <asac> but that shouldnt matter on restarting NM ... only when you plug in your device
[00:31] <asac> hmm
[00:32] <fta> in the n-m applet, i have 3 entries now (even after i restarted n-m)
[00:33] <asac> sounds like a hal bug.
[00:33] <asac> restart hal ... restart NM ;)
[00:33] <asac> in that order
[00:35] <fta> restart hal -> nm died, restart nm -> good, 1 GSM
[00:38] <asac> ok. i will think about it. teaking the delay in the udev .rules file from above might be another way
[00:38] <asac> but well.
[00:40] <fta> as least, i can deco/reco without rebooting, unlike ~10 days ago
[00:42] <fta> looks like n-m is not releasing the device, after the unplug, so hal keeps it too, and when n-m dies, hal has no reason to rescan that
[00:47] <asac> i dont think its that simple ... but i wont rule out that the device is not properly released
[00:48] <asac> anyway ... i have to sleep now ;) ... cu tomorrow
[00:49] <fta> well, at least, the kernel logs seems to indicate that
[00:49] <fta> yeah, cu, i seriously need some sleep to
[08:24] <gnomefreak> sunbird 0.9 intrepid hardy are uploaded and ready for testing :)
[08:24] <gnomefreak> debian 492837
[08:34] <gnomefreak> asac: did you get iceowl 0.9 in Debian yet?
[09:03] <gnomefreak> Who is the upstream devs for liferea? Mozilla? Gnome? show doesnt give me anything about upstream
[09:10] <gnomefreak> asac: i was refering to debian 500647
[09:11] <asac> one second
[09:11] <asac> i have lost my window decorations
[09:11] <asac> have to fix that first
[09:11] <asac> otherwise the chatwindow stays at almost zero size
[09:16]  * gnomefreak not in hrry for much of anything today
[09:16] <gnomefreak> hurry even
[09:17] <asac> gnomefreak: iceowl 0.9 is in experimental isnt it?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> dont know i dont have debian system anymore
[09:39] <gnomefreak> bug 339772
[09:47] <asac> gnomefreak: so i didnt really get whats the problem with the new upstrema verison?
[09:48] <gnomefreak> asac: upstream version?
[09:52] <asac> gnomefreak: 3.1 vs. 3.5
[09:52] <asac> gnomefreak: we got mails on our mailing list
[09:52] <asac> about that from dev-planning
[09:54] <gnomefreak> the problem is that we need to update how we receive the sources dont we?
[11:08] <gnomefreak> i miss my buttons (home, back, refreash, forward) in 3.1
[11:14] <asac> gnomefreak: extensions=
[11:14] <gnomefreak> nope
[11:14] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont think there is a problem with the version change upstream
[11:14] <asac> gnomefreak: its something we have to accept that we have to transition if we pick some prospective version during alphas
[11:14] <gnomefreak> asac: i get them right after upgrade than they go away
[11:15] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. that sounds like an extension thing
[11:15] <asac> gnomefreak: disable all
[11:15] <gnomefreak> asac: ill try again
[11:16] <gnomefreak> asac: would be nice if addons opened
[11:19] <gnomefreak> asac: nope still same i will try a few more things and let you know
[11:22] <gnomefreak> asac: nope safe mode didnt help either nor did new profile
[11:23] <gnomefreak> asac: 3.1~b4~hg20090308r23700+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  its been like this for over a week
[11:25] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a bit
[11:30] <asac> gnomefreak: strange .. i dont have that issue
[11:46] <gnomefreak> asac: i'm guessing any change to firefox applies to abrowser right?
[11:46] <asac> gnomefreak: usually yes. do you use abrowser 3.1 b4*
[11:46] <asac> ?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> asac: yep
[11:46] <asac> gnomefreak: does the problem go away if you use ffox-branding?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> asac: ill check
[11:50] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[11:51] <gnomefreak> asac: i installed firefox-3.1-branding nothing changed other than removing abrowser. still no buttons
[11:51] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm
[11:52] <gnomefreak> asac: are you using the umd build?
[11:52] <asac> yes
[11:52] <asac> let me start it now
[11:53] <gnomefreak> asac: does your help>about work? mine foesnt nor do i have buttons (just vertical lines than navigate back forward ....)
[11:54] <asac> gnomefreak: disable ubufox
[11:54] <gnomefreak> asac: cant
[11:54] <asac> gnomefreak: i could reproduce with ubufox enabled
[11:54] <gnomefreak> asac: that would mean tools>addons needs to work
[11:54] <asac> gnomefreak: cant? .. with ubufox the back/forward buttons are always greyed out
[11:54] <gnomefreak> and it doesnt
[11:55] <gnomefreak> i could uninstall it but i have this feeling it would take out alot of other things
[11:55] <gnomefreak> asac: im removing it
[11:55] <asac> yeah try that
[11:58] <gnomefreak> asac: nope
[12:00] <gnomefreak> asac: renaming ~/.mozilla failed to help
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure whats up with you. i see the issue with ubufox
[12:02] <asac> fta: the compare target spits out stuff for ffox 3.1
[12:02] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23613967/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.firefox-3.1_3.1~b4~hg20090308r23700%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[12:03] <gnomefreak> asac: is that in a chroot/pbuilder?
[12:04] <asac> gnomefreak: thats in ppa
[12:04] <gnomefreak> ah reading now
[12:06] <gnomefreak> nothing here helps maybe removing ubufox didnt remove it from addons?
[12:06] <asac> fta: any clue why all the xulrunner stuff is back there?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> but renaming ~/.mozilla should have disabled ubufox
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe you have it in your profile?
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: well. uninstall + renaming definitly should
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: check that firefox is really stopped when you start it
[12:07] <asac> e.g. killall firefox-3.1
[12:08] <gnomefreak> ok wtf
[12:08] <gnomefreak> is 3.1 not dying on shutdown?
[12:08] <gnomefreak> killing it worked
[12:09] <asac> gnomefreak: heh ;)
[12:09] <asac> gnomefreak: it dies on shutdown
[12:09] <asac> gnomefreak: but if you uninstall ubufox and dont stop it, ubufox will still be used
[12:09] <gnomefreak> that is the issue see below
[12:09] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ ps aux | grep firefox-3.1
[12:09] <gnomefreak> 1000     18122  0.0  0.2   2076   580 pts/1    S+   08:09   0:00 grep firefox-3.1
[12:09] <gnomefreak> browser is closed
[12:10] <gnomefreak> ubufox is still runnign and i dont have it installed
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ubufox was the problem with the tools>addons as welll. so if i install it again i wont beable to get into addons to disable it
[12:12] <gnomefreak> killing it with or without browser open fails to kill it
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: thats interesting
[12:15] <asac> let me check if i have a different ubufox version (maybe in my profile)
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: no i have  ~b1
[12:15] <gnomefreak> 0.7~b1-0ubuntu1
[12:16] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. do you use disable extensoin check?
[12:16] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe it an accumulated thing that gets worse by using more extensions
[12:16] <gnomefreak> asac: what do you mean? tools>addons?
[12:16] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont mean anything
[12:17] <asac> gnomefreak: if you have disabled extension compatibility check that calls for trouble
[12:17] <asac> otherwise i dont understand why your behaviour is different than mine
[12:17] <asac> but i have to look because its definitly broken
[12:17] <asac> so for now dont use ubufox with 3.1
[12:18] <gnomefreak> well it works now like it should with ubufox gone everything works now but for some reason pa sux and ps aux | grep ubufox show different
[12:18] <gnomefreak> asac: i cant disable it after installing it so it will stay gone
[12:20] <gnomefreak> the help>about is only screwed up in abrowser not firefox-3.1-branding
[12:20] <asac> gnomefreak: how is it screwed? also without ubufox?
[12:21] <gnomefreak> XML Parsing Error: undefined entity
[12:21] <gnomefreak> Location: chrome://browser/content/aboutDialog.xul
[12:21] <gnomefreak> Line Number 40, Column 9:        &logoCopyright;
[12:21] <gnomefreak> --------^
[12:21] <asac> ok
[12:21] <asac> ok
[12:22] <asac> i will investigate the abroawser thing and ubufox for 3.1 asap
[12:22] <asac> for now just keep ubufox disabled
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i will. thanks
[12:23]  * gnomefreak has a few things to take care of so browser isnt important at this time
[12:29] <gnomefreak> if i get done with SM-2 today ill work on lightning-sunbird bugs see if i cnt clean them up.
[12:30]  * gnomefreak off while i start the build and hope fsh patch doesnt fail, i dont want to run autoconf :(
[12:33] <gnomefreak> james_w: if your around can you give me a hint on what im doing wrong? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/631537 asac fta2 feel free to give me hint too
[12:33] <gnomefreak> it should not run ./debian/rules get-orig-source
[12:34] <gnomefreak> tarball is in tarballs dir
[12:38] <asac> gnomefreak: put the tarball in the toplevel dir
[12:38] <asac> imo thats a regression
[12:38] <asac> not sure why james_w changes back and forward ;) ... i hope we get some stable stuff at some point
[12:38] <gnomefreak> ill try. this is bzr builddeb bug right?
[12:39] <asac> gnomefreak: in ~/.bazaar/builddeb.conf i have:
[12:39] <asac> http://pastebin.com/f644e3201
[12:39] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[12:39] <asac> that helps you to get back to normal behaviour
[12:41] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[12:42] <gnomefreak> asac: i guess i have to make that file
[12:43] <asac> yes
[12:44] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks it works now
[12:48] <asac> welcome
[13:27] <asac> jtv: please dont sent me translation mails after uploads ;)
[13:28] <asac> jtv: otherwise we will all create a promail bounce that accidentially redirects to you ;)
[13:28] <asac> just kidding
[13:28] <jtv> asac: it's only a tiiiiiny fraction of what we were getting in your place :-P
[13:29] <jtv> asac: danilo's working on a cherrypick to stem the flood.
[13:29] <jtv> asac: that said, my jet lag finally kicked in and my brain's not working.  Talk to Danilo if you want sensible answers.
[13:29] <asac> jtv: ok. sleep well ;)
[13:30] <jtv> asac: zzz
[13:30] <jtv> asac: Left Friday night, arrived Sunday nightzzzz
[13:33] <asac> jtv: you should stop travelling
[13:33] <asac> jtv: its the same as in real life: one sprint helps you to get quicker from a to B
[13:33] <asac> but many sprints just slows down stuff because one is too exhausted
[13:35] <jtv> asac: yeah… I did get to see New Zealand though!  (It was halfway on my last trip)
[13:40] <asac> jtv: ok. did you take a day or two off afterwards?
[13:40] <jtv> asac: yesterday
[13:41] <asac> jtv: but that was back in bangkok right? i ment if you took a day off to visit NZ ;)
[13:41] <jtv> asac: didn't take a day off to visit NZ, just had a few hours there between flights
[13:41] <asac> lol
[13:41] <asac> thats how it is ;)
[13:41] <jtv> asac: two days ago I took a bus to Mount Eden and walked up all the way to the summit…  that was like a little vacation all by itself
[13:42] <jtv> asac: taking the Sunday off would have been complicated.  :-)
[13:46] <asac> jtv: mount eden. that sounds like paradis
[13:46] <asac> e
[13:46] <jtv> asac: looks like it too, but it was named after…  IIRC it was the family name (before his peerage) of the old mentor of the first governor there.
[13:47] <jtv> You know how the British like to change their last names to confuse everyone
[17:22] <gnomefreak> i really hate bounced builds
[17:34] <asac> gnomefreak: wh?
[17:34] <gnomefreak> asac: it didnt bounce. i guess upload failed. Sm 2 intrepid
[17:35] <gnomefreak> jaunty uploaded built fine
[17:36] <gnomefreak> asac: how hard is it to add support for dev. releases in mozilla-devscripts?
[17:37] <asac> gnomefreak: if you hav ethe same orig already in for jaunty just build using -sd
[17:37] <asac> so you ust upload diff.gz and .dsc
[17:37] <gnomefreak> makes it faster that way :)
[17:45]  * gnomefreak found a way around the firefox-3.1 not showing buttons, just have to try it first. If you patch this issue you might want to add it to 3.0 to get rid of those "firefox is still running" errors
[18:13] <gnomefreak> asac: i pushed again and in terminal said it uploaded so i better get either a good email or bad one
[18:13] <asac> gnomefreak: you have to remove the .upload files first
[18:13] <asac> if you already uploaded same version
[18:13] <asac> otherwise try to use better version
[18:14] <asac> ok. preparing myself to get off-ramp for tonight
[18:15] <gnomefreak> asac:  i used the -sd switch
[18:16] <gnomefreak> asac: before you go is Jaunty going to support fingerprint scan?
[18:17] <asac> gnomefreak: good question. not sure.
[18:17] <asac> not sure if there are drivers
[18:17] <asac> if so, its a probably a pam thing or gdm
[18:18] <gnomefreak> pam most likely (assuming support for all DE well atleast the big 3
[18:18] <gnomefreak> )
[18:31] <gnomefreak> ok lets see if i cant work out this icon crap
[18:54] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds lol, mozilla ownz the build farm!
[19:59]  * gnomefreak rebuilds for intrepid. i dont get FTB but PPA does ill try again
[20:04] <gnomefreak> fta: how much work would it take to update m-d for sunbird 1.x its pre release. is it something as simple as changing a few settings or new code (config file, ect..)
[20:07] <fta> just a .conf file inside the package, no need to touch m-d at all
[20:38] <asac> fta: yeah. maybe we should send up dailies in steps .... like every 2 hours a different package ;)
[20:40] <gnomefreak> please tell me its not in cdbs-rules
[20:41] <gnomefreak> looks like it would be the one :( the /cdbs-rules/debhelper.mk
[20:41] <fta> gnomefreak, what are you talking about?
[20:42] <asac> i think he wants to enable sunbird to use mozclient for orig rules
[20:42] <gnomefreak> fta: the config file from comment above
[20:43] <gnomefreak> those are all install rules it looks like
[20:43] <fta> gnomefreak, no, take a branch with a debian/mozclient/ dir as an example
[20:44] <fta> ff3.1 or tb3
[20:44] <gnomefreak> k
[20:44] <fta> it's also documented in the README of m-d
[20:57] <fta> 1064  firefox-3.0                    502138 78181 340173 83750    34 (Alexander Sack)
[20:57] <fta> 9680  cxchromium                      2960   356  2392   158    54 (Unknown)
[20:57] <fta> 12747 firefox-3.1                     1522   186   673   663     0 (Unknown)
[20:57] <fta> 17276 gwibber                          747    97   280   370     0 (Unknown)
[20:57] <fta> 24259 firefox-3.2                      253    28    57   168     0 (Unknown)
[20:57] <fta> 30246 chromium-browser                 108     6     0   102     0 (Unknown)
[20:57] <fta> cxchromium is popular :P
[20:59] <asac> what is cxchromium?
[20:59] <fta> win32 chromium runinning with codeweaver / wine
[21:00] <fta> -ni
[21:03] <fta> 21591 thunderbird-3.0                  377    48   212   117     0 (Unknown)
[21:19] <gnomefreak> ok im gone. made changes to rules and control but i need to look at rules closer it looks like the DEBIAN_VERSION and freinds are maxed out at 0.9 but my sed has gotten left behind
[21:28] <gnomefreak> the lines with sed -n 's/^Version: \([0-9.]*\).*$$/\1/ p')   if i remember my sed right it is upto and including 0.9
[21:31] <fta> it grabs all numbers and dots. so it could match 0.9, 1.0, 1.2.3.4.5 but not 0.9-1
[21:32] <fta> well, given 0.9-1, it will return 0.9
[21:36] <gnomefreak> well its not grabbing the 1.9 branch at all i tried with DEBIAN_DATE and ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_BRANCH_MOZILLA_1_9_BRANCH neither are working
[21:37] <gnomefreak> rules i added include /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/lightning-sunbird.mk and control just the build-dep
[21:40] <fta> please pastebin what you do & get
[21:42] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/631615
[21:42] <gnomefreak> forgot the date one
[21:43] <gnomefreak> nope its there just jumbled in the other shit
[21:43] <fta> 1st line is wronge, DEBIAN_BRANCH_MOZILLA_1_9_BRANCH => DEBIAN_BRANCH=MOZILLA_1_9_BRANCH
[21:43] <fta> wrong
[21:44] <gnomefreak> ok let me try real fast
[21:46] <gnomefreak> im assuming i cant use ranch and date in same command so i would need to know exact version to add to changelog first
[21:47] <gnomefreak> s/ranch/branch
[21:47] <fta> you should be able to do that
[21:48] <gnomefreak> fta: heres the output of them http://pastebin.mozilla.org/631616
[21:51] <gnomefreak> from the README.gz it tells me to add to rules and control however in the README lightning-sunbird only has 1.8 branch does that matter?
[21:52] <gnomefreak> brb smoke and think
[21:57] <gnomefreak> k
[21:58] <gnomefreak> i dont have source im just going on what reambe says
[23:12] <asac> fta: so what was on my list from your side? primssm ... something else?
[23:13] <fta> prism, yeah.
[23:14] <fta> i wouldn't mind some hints to prevent my 3G SIMs from locking themselves
[23:14] <fta> -locking themselves+becoming unusable on ubuntu
[23:25] <asac_> fta: reconnect
[23:25] <asac_> 00:14 < fta> -locking themselves+becoming unusable on ubuntu
[23:25] <asac_> 00:21 < asac> fta: i have no clue, because o dont even understand whta kind of locking that is
[23:26] <asac_> 00:24 < asac> @time
[23:26] <fta> hm
[23:26] <asac_> fta: i wanted to ask modem folks today. will do that tomorrow
[23:37] <fta> asac_, thanks, let me know if i can help
[23:38] <asac_> fta: i will send you there if they need more info ;)
[23:42] <fta> 4720  songbird                       15031   683 13368   813   167 (Unknown)
[23:42] <fta> hm, that's a lot, not sure it's only mine
[23:42] <asac> fta: probably not. dont they distribute debs on their own?
[23:43] <asac> hmm
[23:48] <fta> still have deprecation warnings in bzr
[23:48] <asac> yeah
[23:49] <asac> most likely python 2.6 came out of nowhere for most ;)
[23:49] <asac> my main issue is currently my offline bug ;)
[23:49] <fta> cool, just added a strong 'compare' to chromium. it will fail if it finds something
[23:49] <asac> offlineimap ;)
[23:49] <asac> fta: thats what we actually want for the mozilla packages too i think
[23:49] <fta> i reported the issue in #bzr, they said they fixed it already, but the fix is not in jaunty
[23:49] <asac> fta: at least for 3.1 and later i guess
[23:50] <asac> fta: did you add a bzr targetpackage target too?
[23:51] <fta> ?
[23:51] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/129570/
[23:51] <asac> otherwise its not on the ubuntu radar at all
[23:51] <fta> i didn't file a bug, just asked on irc
[23:52] <fta> stevel, is there a tag for 1.1 ?
[23:54] <stevel> fta: http://timeline.songbirdnest.com/client/browser/tags/Songbird1.1.1
[23:54] <fta> thanks
[23:54] <asac> yay. just saw a dent about that ;)
[23:55] <asac> fta: without butg new upstream stuff probably wont get rolled to jaunty
[23:55] <fta> i just assumed enough people are using bzr to realize it's needed :P
[23:56] <asac> fta: what if everyone feels the same ;)
[23:56] <fta> then we're doomed
[23:56] <asac> hehe
[23:56] <asac> hear, hear, ... thats what i am saying :)
[23:57] <asac> i would think: "then there will be a SRU"
[23:57]  * stevel tries to catch his bus
[23:59] <asac> fta: hmm ... have you checked dh_install --list-missing?
[23:59] <asac> man dh_install