[00:01] Nafallo: oh no. [00:01] Nafallo: Welcome to test The People's Dictionary - a completely new English-Swedish Dictionary belonging to the people and improved and extended by the people. The People's Dictionary will soon replace the Lexin Swedish-English dictionary. [00:01] So, both the best and worst pastas you've ever had were Greek! [00:01] how? why? WHY? [00:01] Flannel: hm, yeah. i think so [00:01] haha [00:21] @mark [00:21] (mark [] []) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if was kicked from with the comment , if is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, is only needed when send in /msg [00:22] @mark #ubuntu-women bertolo came in to the channel with the usual boring trollish behaviour. Wouldn't be suprised to see equivalent elsewhere. [00:22] Error: Not in that channel [00:22] @mark bertolo came in to the channel with the usual boring trollish behaviour. Wouldn't be suprised to see equivalent elsewhere. [00:22] The operation succeeded. [01:19] Nafallo: no, it worked [01:19] was wrong [01:19] :-D [01:20] but [01:21] /ban *!?=mattias@c-ed78e755.021-338-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se!#ubuntu-whatever [01:21] [02:21:00] [Error] MODE: No such channel. [01:21] Nafallo: ^ [01:21] ah wait, that's just cause it doesn't exist [01:21] but no [01:21] it gives the same for existing channels [01:22] :-) [01:33] _VIM_ called the ops in #ubuntu (link) [01:35] that was remotely helpful ops call [01:36] Myrtti, jrib: when i feel less lazy... you'll stop having to wait for ops calls on those kinds of things ;) [01:36] (and no, i don't mean i'll actually watch and act on them) [01:36] LjL: so you'll do my ops watches as well? [01:36] here, have some gum [01:37] Myrtti: nah. i'll just have the floodbots warn you when a NSFW site is linked to. [01:37] I think I'm that much closer into getting this thing done that I could go to bed now [01:38] since I do have that doctors appointment tomorrow as well [01:38] Myrtti: trying to do something about that coffee addiction huh? [01:39] LjL: will it be able to detect if an image is porn? [01:39] jrib: not per se. domain name based. [01:40] jrib: although, uhm, i've heard of some neural network based heuristics..... [01:40] jrib: but, no, i don't have the cpu power. [01:40] LjL: I usually drink only one or two cups a day [01:40] one today to be exact [01:40] Myrtti: just keep saying yourself that [01:40] I can keep up just to SPITE YOU ALL [01:40] i smoke one or two cigs a day too [01:40] with the power of pure aggression [01:40] or perhaps it's one or two bags of tobacco [01:41] * jrib hates coffee [01:41] Myrtti: then have sarah lend you the pointy stick [01:41] * Myrtti hates tobacco [01:41] * Myrtti pokes LjL with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™ [01:41] *SQUEEEAK* [01:41] Myrtti: no, the other, aggressive, stick. [01:42] ok, I'm not going to waste more time [01:42] nini [01:42] i'm going to find if i can buy an electric cigarette actually [01:42] one, it "shouldn't" do much harm [01:42] two, it should look ridiculous enough to provide an incentive to stop anyway. [01:42] at least in public. [01:42] Myrtti: eighteight [01:49] onehundredandfiftyeightmilonehundredandfiftyeightmil [01:49] eh? [01:51] Seeker`: go to bed. [01:52] :( [02:30] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: how can we help you? [02:30] oh, hi Balzac [02:30] who? [02:31] how can I help you? [02:32] how does one earn oppage? [02:32] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: by not being like you [02:32] and sorry if that sounded crude. [02:32] !guidelines [02:32] The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [02:32] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: asking generally means you won't be made one [02:32] like me? [02:33] what am i like? [02:33] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: i cannot really say... but... check the guidelines [02:33] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: you don't ask for it, for one thing. [02:33] thanks [02:34] I was just curious. I don't think I'll be an op. [02:34] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: that makes two of us [02:34] i really like that Ubuntu is a swahili word [02:34] meaning "humanity to others" [02:35] that was a really nice choice of a name for software, don't you think? [02:35] I think Barack Obama's father must also have known how to speak Swahili, coming from Kenya. [02:36] Offtopic... [02:36] sorry [02:36] you guys are pretty cool [02:37] brb [02:42] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: you should probably use a proxy on your shell provider, so you can have a consistent identity and it's handier to switch from machine to machine [02:46] why? [02:46] you guys seem friendly enough and I have nothing to hide. [02:46] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: i didn't mean that, actually quite the contrary [02:46] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: it's confusing for us to see you as both balzac and Dont_Tase_Me_Bro [02:47] not to mention the verizon address [02:47] and i bet it's confusing for you to switch between all those machines [02:47] without having a consistent irc environemnt [02:47] just a bit of fun to lighten things up a bit :) [02:47] fun? [02:48] some people find irony makes them laugh [02:48] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: i don't get the irony [02:48] i find irony makes me laugh sometimes [02:49] i'm not referring to the nickname itself [02:49] sadly, this isn't in anyway ironic [02:49] if that's what you're thinking about [02:49] just about the several hostnames/identities [02:50] i mean, freenode staff could even notice that and start believing that you're using multiple proxy hosts or shell hosts, or botnet machines, or i dunno what, to dodge bans or otherwise muddle waters and confuse irc ops and users [02:50] maybe there should be a biometric security system [02:50] we could require users to have their iris scanned [02:50] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: If you've no further on topic business here then please /part [02:50] that would prevent situations like you're bringing up [02:53] I'm enjoying the company [02:53] I think I'll have another question soon if you let me stick around [02:54] bbiab [03:01] @login [03:01] The operation succeeded. [03:28] back [03:34] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: Do you have an operator/abuse question? [03:40] phantomcircuit: may we help you? [03:40] oh yeah im banned from #ubuntu but it's on my auto join list so i was forwarded here [03:50] @btlogin === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [04:37] !idle | Dont_Tase_Me_Bro [04:37] Dont_Tase_Me_Bro: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [05:20] ok [05:20] another time [05:20] bye [06:51] hateball called the ops in #ubuntu (h1tler) [07:29] !idle | phantomcircuit [07:29] phantomcircuit: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [07:30] oh yeah im banned from #ubuntu but it's on my auto join list so i was forwarded here [07:41] phantomcircuit: and has your ban been talked about yet? [07:41] nope [07:42] so you havent discussed it with the ops at any point? [07:44] nope [07:45] phantomcircuit: Lying certainly isn't a good way to go about getting a ban removed. [08:05] it's technically true [08:05] no op has talked with me about my ban [08:06] they talked to me about what appeared to be ban avoiding (ironically i turned the proxy off and not on) [08:28] phantomcircuit: what's the issue ? [08:28] i accidentally spammed some [08:28] phantomcircuit: where and when [08:29] every other channel removed the ban within 12 hours :| [08:29] i dont even remember anymore but it's been days at least [08:29] 3 days [08:29] and you tried to avoid the ban using a netcollect.org host [08:30] and you've been banned and kicked more than one from what I can see [08:30] phantomcircuit: so what's the situation with your behaviour ? [08:31] actually i was banned with the netcollect.org host [08:31] i stopped using that proxy for a totally different reason (cant really trust that server anymore...) [08:31] so i got banned again for evading [08:31] yup [08:31] you ban evaded [08:32] yeah but it was totally not on purpose [08:32] as I said - you've been kicked and banned a few times before [08:32] so I'll re-ask the question "what's with the behaviour ?" [08:32] when? [08:32] phantomcircuit: in general [08:32] "you've been kicked and banned a few times before" [08:32] when? [08:32] oh [08:33] few times on 7th march [08:33] 26feb [08:33] July [08:33] yeah [08:33] so "what's with the behaviour" [08:33] the original ban was 26 fed [08:33] you appear to not get it [08:33] then i was banned for ban evasion on the 7th of march [08:33] see why i forgot about the ban? [08:34] no [08:34] no? [08:34] no , I don't see why you forgot about the ban [08:35] and as I said - you've been kicked / banned a few times for behaviour [08:35] I understand accidents can happen, and I'm willing to accept that, just curious to the other incidents ? [08:36] because it was over a week [08:36] ? [08:36] who bans someone for over a week for an accidental two line spam? [08:36] phantomcircuit: I've just said I'm happy to accept that accidents happen [08:36] I'm asking about your other kicks/bans behaviour ? [08:37] i have no idea [08:37] july? that's the summer [08:37] beats me [08:37] so spamming #ubuntu-offtopic with /me punches knomede ? [08:37] was that also an accident ? [08:37] you seem to make a mistakes spamming channels, or repeating yourself consistantly [08:38] what? [08:38] isn't #ubuntu-offtopic ... offtopic? [08:38] phantomcircuit: yes [08:38] that doesn't mean "spam" or "flood" the channel repeating the same thing over and over [08:39] phantomcircuit: I'm not being funny - I'm just curious / trying to understand the situation [08:39] phantomcircuit: I totally accept accidents happen [08:39] I made a miss-paste myself yesterday, so I know how easy it is to do it [08:39] phantomcircuit: fyi, the "offtopic" #ubuntu-offtopic simply means it's not a support channel. it's still an ubuntu channel and the same code of conduct applies [08:40] right [08:40] also /me punches knomede? [08:40] when did i say that? [08:41] in #ubuntu-offtopic in july when you where kicked for saying it over and over again [08:41] well, banned actually, but the point is the same [08:41] phantomcircuit: bottom line is, if I remove the ban, are we going to see any more issues with you ? [08:42] uh [08:42] no? [08:42] phantomcircuit: why is that a hard question ? [08:42] phantomcircuit: I'm just asking for a staight answer [08:42] not a clever one [08:42] because i dont even remember that stuff from july [08:43] Myrtti: ping [08:43] so how can i say i wont do something i dont remember again? [08:43] phantomcircuit: because you can say "no I won't cause any issues again" [08:43] doesn't matter if you remember doing it or not [08:43] Mez ping [08:44] honestly i don't really care if you unban me [08:44] phantomcircuit: ok then, we'll leave the conversation here then [08:44] i've never gotten any help from anybody in #ubuntu that i can remember [08:44] phantomcircuit: ok - no problem then, bye [08:44] phantomcircuit: if there is nothing else you need from us, please leave the channel and return to your day [08:45] yeah see the thing is that #ubuntu is on my auto join list [08:45] phantomcircuit: remove it [08:45] so as long as the ban is forwarding me here im going to end up here [08:45] phantomcircuit:remove the auto join [08:45] phantomcircuit: it's that simple [08:45] nah that takes effort from me [08:45] just change the ban [08:45] it's not hard [08:45] phantomcircuit: no problem [08:47] phantomcircuit: all done, your welcome to leave now [08:47] why do you keep asking? [08:47] just do it [08:47] it's done [08:48] what do you get like a demerit for kicking someone? [08:48] phantomcircuit: I shouldn't have to, nor do I have access to kick you from this channel [08:48] phantomcircuit: I've asked you to leave, updated the ban as you requested, your welcome to leave, it would be appreciated [08:49] unless there is something you genuinly need/want [08:49] ill leave the next time i close xchat [08:50] jussi01: Myrtti elky Pricey nalioth tritium Gary nudge [08:50] phantomcircuit: just leave, it's pointless to behave like this, [08:50] true but it's also pointless to indulge you and leave [08:50] !ops [08:50] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [08:50] it's a zero sum game [08:50] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-ops () [08:50] i can neither win nor lose [08:50] so i don't care [08:50] ikonia, i am here, i also need to read up [08:50] me too [08:51] elky: ahh super [08:51] thanks chaps [08:51] phantomcircuit: this channel is kept free of users so that the ops can better talk to people with problems, it is a no idle zone [08:51] and ladies [08:51] like i said before [08:51] MEH [08:55] thanks [08:55] if he returns with more cheek, i'll upgrade it to a kb [08:55] I don't think he will [08:55] I was happy to unban him to be honest, every one makes slip ups with the keyboard [08:56] just his smart mouth [08:56] until you got the attitude? [08:56] pathetic attempt to be pain [08:56] unless you sort the ban I'll just ge forwarded here as I can't be bothered removing the auto join [09:00] he was doing so well until then :) [09:01] although he *was* more interested in the past than your queries about future conduct [09:01] to be fair to him, I didn't phrase that very well [09:40] @btlogin [09:41] Seeker`: shouldn't you be at work ;) [09:41] not seen you online in daylight hours for ages [09:42] train was cancelled [09:42] working from home until the next one [09:42] nicie [09:42] nice [09:51] yeah,public transport sucks [10:10] I got a cortisone shot \o/ [10:11] woo? [10:11] ikonia: ping [10:11] Myrtti: cortisone is wonderful stuff [10:12] jussi01: hello [10:13] the pain will go away lalalalalalalala [10:18] * Tm_T hates himself [10:18] Tm_T: why? [10:21] just everything goes wrong [10:22] :( [10:27] time to try and get the train [10:28] run [11:22] ikonia: pong [11:22] Mez: not to worry, he left [11:23] (the guy I wanted your view on ) [11:23] ah, sorry, I was on my way into work [11:23] and good to know that my opinion is wanted [11:25] seemed polite to ask you about the guy you banned [11:25] window 16 [11:27] lol, did I ban him? [11:28] yup [11:28] looks like an old one that got overlooked [11:28] then Myrtti pulled him on for ban evasion on your log [11:28] your ban sorry [11:28] I thought the saying was "ban happy" not "ban sorry" [11:29] I'm sorry to ban [11:29] .....mostly [11:30] * Gary was being humorous [11:32] In ubottu, ActionParsnip said: !welcome is Please write all in one single line, do not chat here. (/join #ubuntu-offtopic) Ask your question and see, if someone answeres. Please always prepend the nick name of the person, you are talking to. Use TAB key for autocompletion of nick names. [11:36] In #ubuntu, hmw said: !welcome is Welcome! Too much going on here? I fear you gotta live with it. To reduce traffic, please write all in one single line. Ask your question and see, if someone answers. We're all volunteers and we might not know. Don't repeat your question often. Please always prepend the nick name of the person, you are talking to (So the clients can hilight the line and make a sound). Use TAB key for autocompletion of nick names. Pl [11:36] Gary: as was [11:36] I [11:38] genii, HI! [12:41] How do we feel about people ( ActionParsnip ) suggesting getdeb over waiting for an offical repo fix for Pidgin? [12:41] I'm not too fond of it myself. [12:41] I disgourage it [12:41] breaks deps [12:41] causes problems when a fix is released to the repo [12:42] discourage even [12:42] pretty iffy suggestion in #kubuntu as well [12:43] hes just keen to find a solution "now" rather than for the long term [12:43] I don't see a problem with it if it's explained first that this may cause problems, but if you HAVE to have this now, this second, here is your best option [12:44] at least it can be removed if it's in a deb [12:44] but I don't recommend it ever [12:44] they'll be back when it breaks stuff (which it will) [12:44] getting into sebsebseb territory imo [12:44] yes, totally, which is why at least a deb can be removed, [12:44] the problem is if it calls deps that update beyond current ubuntu versions or cause conflicts [12:45] recommending osalt instead of repos [12:45] I've seen him suggest upgrading to Jaunty in the past as well to 'fix' issues. [12:45] not happy with that at all [12:46] as I said I think he's just keen to always provide a fix "now" rather than for the long term [12:46] if he can't fix it now a random upgrade to a jaunty may seem a good idea to him [12:46] Do you all mind if I ask him to join here? I'm a bit busy with work on my end so I'm not sure if I can devote one on one time to explain the entire thing to him. [12:47] sure [12:47] if you want I'll have a quiet chat with him in PM [12:47] he's normally quite receptive and his heart is in the right place [12:47] i'm heading to bed after a day of dealing with idiots [12:47] or you can pull him in here [12:47] ikonia: If you want to take care of him yourself thats perfectly fine with me :) [12:47] elky: Goodnight! [12:48] I'll give him a nudge, his intent is not bad [12:48] I know [12:48] no sweat, I'll speak to him [13:13] spoke to ActionParsnip - totally understood and said he'd put a bit more thought it [13:13] zero problem at all [13:33] jussi01_: was asleep, and somehow got disconnected over night. [13:45] * genii sips [13:48] Morning, genii. [13:52] tritium: Good mornin' :) [13:52] :) [14:12] damn chineese IP owners, some chineese ISP has been trying to brute force 2 of my servers for 4 days solid now, there "abuse" inbox is full [14:13] nice to see them talking a solid stance against missuse of their IP range [14:15] can you not set it to ignore from an address range? [14:16] ikonia: Why not just blacklist their entire range>? [14:16] Gary: Yes, exactly [14:17] block all of china :p [14:17] not sure you want to be SSH'ing into the USA out of China anyway [14:17] and yeah you're not alone, on some of my servers I can go through a couple thousand PAM failures a day [14:17] jdong: I'm pretty sure they are packet sniffing (the chinese govt) [14:18] well yes they are but my gut feeling with SSH is you're guilty until proven innocent. [14:18] Probably [14:19] genii: already done [14:19] genii: doesn't mean they have stopped attacking [14:20] jdong: I don't mind attackes sshguard and fail2ban stop anything of any issue, just ammusing me that this one china IP has been hitting the same 2 servers solid for 4 days straight [14:20] no breaks no anything [14:20] they are not getting past the firewall, but they are still trying [14:20] yep; it happens. [14:20] I think 4 days solid is the longest I've seen [14:20] Most of the attacks I've seen lately on our boxes were from Korea and not China [14:20] I personally don't fail2ban anymore [14:20] I've found it only gets in the way when I have a broken SSH key or ctrl-C too many ssh attempts :) [14:21] And Romania for some reason [14:21] with the general slowness of SSH authentication I find it hard to believe an effective brute-force could be done anyway. [14:21] if they want a crack at me they should go over to my squirellmail login and hammer those. [14:21] jdong: I still use it with sshguard so it has to be a double positive to block it, I had a close call with a new box about two weeks ago where someone tried to brute it that hard it couldn't respond to ssh to give me a session to stop them [14:21] jdong: felt justified in leaving it on after that (new box didn't have it on) [14:22] ah, indeed that's pretty annoying [14:22] I might reconfigure fail2ban with a bit more permissiveness [14:22] but yeah the 3-strikes policy definitely didn't work out for me [14:22] which must have been quite hard considering it only allows ssh connection with keys or it cuts them off straight away [14:22] I found myself flushing chains for my users more than anything else. [14:22] jdong: I use 5 attempts that's not in the exclusion range within 6 hours [14:22] oh I don't think those kiddie scripts care about that :) [14:23] jdong: seems to have worked solid for me for years [14:23] the exclusion list is the key [14:23] ah [14:23] as long as i'm on my home IP I can mess up as much as I want and it won't block me [14:23] always got a back door [14:24] * ikonia notes to china, please don't spoof my hope ip [14:24] home [14:26] fortunately TCP spoofing is nontrivial :) [14:26] :) [14:30] * Panarchy says Hi [14:31] Panarchy: what's up ? [14:31] Just seeing where the ops stance is now, on allowing me back into the #ubuntu channel [14:31] nope [14:31] not going to happen any time soon [14:32] Why not? [14:32] because your attitude is still terrible [14:32] up until about 2 hours ago you where still flooding channels until a freenode staff member stepped in [14:32] which I've lost count how many times you've been asked to stop doing [14:34] 2 hours ago? [14:34] I think I was still at training [14:34] please don't be picky [14:34] "a few hours" ago [14:34] if you really need it I'll get the time stamps [14:34] but this is a good example of your attitude and how much it is not helpful [14:34] ... [14:35] what does ..... ? mean [14:36] It's an elipsis [14:37] unless there is something else you need, I request you leave the channel and carry on with your day [14:37] carry on with my day? [14:37] It's 1:37am now [14:38]