[00:06] <MaFrei> hello, i'm back again and i have a problem while i want to install a Realtec Ethenet driver. I have postet de output with the error here http://paste.ubuntu.com/129008/
[00:07] <MaFrei> the error i english is: install: regular File ?/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/kernel/drivers/net/r8101.ko? cannot been shown:  Permission denied
[00:09] <MaFrei> maybe the problem is that exactly those realtec driver is already installed in xubuntu?
[00:59] <Mood> anyone used skype w/ xubuntu on machine < P4? (i.e. P3 ~500 MHz)? any problems/issues?
[02:17] <j1mc> can someone tell me why there are six different printing applets in xubuntu?
[02:17] <j1mc> http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9706/printinghell.png
[02:19] <zoredache> if one doesn't work, maybe the other will?  It makes setting up printing easier...
[02:19] <j1mc> zoredache: having to choose between 6 different applets to print or set up a printer doesn't make much sense.
[02:20]  * zoredache wonders if people realized he was trying to be sarcastic....
[02:20] <j1mc> haha... no, i didn't, sorry.
[02:20] <zoredache> j1mc: yeah..
[03:31] <vejan738> help question?
[03:32] <vejan738> i got a IBM600e laptop with xubuntu 8.04 and it freezes loading up for about 5 minutes, then it finishes loading to my desktop
[03:33] <vejan738> how an i solve this problem?/
[04:15] <dgimse> greetings I just installed xubuntu 8.10 and have run amock a few problems and i was wondering if anyone else had these problems.  I think they are caused by my manual installation of the 96.43.11 drivers. anyone else having problems after installing the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.11-pkg1.run file?
[07:07] <taw> morning
[09:08] <Pip> Hello, how to install xubuntu in a text mode virtual console other than X11 graphic environment ?
[09:08] <Pip> Is there any command like setup to get a text mode GUI  ?
[09:09] <turbanoff> hii  all
[09:09] <turbanoff> need help
[09:09] <turbanoff> Xubuntu in VirtualBiox
[09:10] <turbanoff> i remove networkmanager* packages
[09:11] <Pip> How to get a plain text mode GUI for xubuntu installation in a virtual console ?
[09:53] <pingvinas> hello everyone
[09:53] <pingvinas> i got a biiiig problem. PLZ HELp!!!!!
[09:53] <pingvinas> the top line (menu) and the bottom line on the desktop has dissapeared
[09:53] <pingvinas> what's going on?
[09:54] <pingvinas> plz i need it desperately!!!!
[09:55] <pingvinas> how to get them back?
[09:55] <Pip> the X11 got crazy when booting from live CD
[09:56] <protium> hey umm can anyone help me out, im kinda new to xubuntu (new to linux as whole actually) and i want to configure proxy in xubuntu but i dunno how
[09:56] <pingvinas> i didn't boot them from live cd
[10:02] <protium> nvm go t it
[10:24] <taw> Pip, use alternate install cd, that installs in text mode
[10:34] <pingvinas> hello
[10:35] <pingvinas> i removed .gnome and .gconf directories to get default gnome configuration, but it doesn't restore it!!
[10:35] <pingvinas> what should i do to get default gnome back?
[10:37] <ablomen_> pingvinas, .gnome2 has all the gnome settings .gnome is only there for backwards compatibility afaik
[10:41] <pingvinas> albomen_, i don't have gnome2
[10:42] <pingvinas> ablomen, is it in /etc/
[10:56] <pingvinas> ablomen_ how to get the .gconf directory back?
[10:57] <taw> pingvinas, .gnome2, not gnome2
[10:57] <taw> pingvinas, how did you remove it, with rm or some file manager?
[10:57] <pingvinas> rm
[10:58] <pingvinas> since i was told that after restarting it will configure the defaults automatically
[10:58] <pingvinas> now i don't have the default setting neither do i have .gnome or .gconf
[10:59] <pingvinas> taw, do you know how can i get the desktop panels back and the configuration directories?
[10:59] <pingvinas> shall i resinstall xubuntu or is there any easier solution?
[10:59] <taw> sure there is
[10:59] <taw> are you talking about gnome or xfce?
[11:00] <pingvinas> what shall i do then? please help, taw. i am not a professional but i need it desperatelly
[11:00] <taw> can you get terminal somehow?
[11:00] <pingvinas> sorry, but i don't know the difference between the two.
[11:00] <pingvinas> yes, i can get the terminal
[11:01] <pingvinas> i got it
[11:01] <pingvinas> what shall i do next?
[11:01] <taw> run ' xfce4-panel &'
[11:01] <pingvinas> wow, i got it back!!! :)
[11:02] <pingvinas> now how can i get the .conf and .gnome folders back?
[11:02] <pingvinas> thanks!!!
[11:02] <pingvinas> taw!
[11:02] <taw> now just add applets you need, and log out with 'save session' box checked
[11:02] <pingvinas> yeah, i will do that. will it restore the .gnome and .gconf folders?
[11:03] <taw> any idea why you need them?
[11:04] <pingvinas> i get a warning window about the gnone config when the computer starts and it began after i deleted the .conf and .gnome
[11:04] <pingvinas> but i will restart now with 'save session' and see what happens
[11:04] <pingvinas> plz, don't quit for a while taw, i get back
[11:06] <pingvinas> taw, i get the error message that configuration defaults for gnome power manager have not been installed properly and that i should contact the administrator
[11:06] <taw> at least this would work:
[11:07] <taw> 1) boot to recovery mode
[11:07] <taw> (on grub you get meny by pressing esc, I think)
[11:07] <pingvinas> how can i boot to recovery mode?
[11:07] <taw> on grub menu you have that
[11:08] <pingvinas> you mean at the login window?
[11:08] <taw> for very short period it says something like press esc to get menu
[11:08] <taw> no no, before you get kernel loaded
[11:08] <pingvinas> oh ok
[11:08] <pingvinas> and then?
[11:09] <pingvinas> after i boot to recovery
[11:09] <pingvinas> ?
[11:09] <taw> there might be some text-mode menu
[11:09] <pingvinas> ok
[11:09] <taw> you take shell
[11:09] <taw> on shell
[11:09] <taw> cd /home
[11:10] <pingvinas> ok
[11:10] <pingvinas> and then?
[11:10] <taw> here I assume your accoutn is uzer, replace it with your actual loginname
[11:10] <taw> mv uzer uzer.org
[11:10] <taw> mkdir uzer
[11:10] <taw> chown uzer: uzer
[11:10] <taw> exit
[11:10] <taw> reboot
[11:10] <taw> login with your account
[11:11] <taw> should create all again
[11:11] <pingvinas> so i need to write uzer uzer.org? why is that .org?
[11:11] <pingvinas> i mean: mv uzer uzer.org
[11:11] <pingvinas> ?
[11:11] <taw> then you can move or copy files & folders from ../uzer.org to your new home directory
[11:12] <taw> you rename your old home directory
[11:12] <taw> and make new, empty directory
[11:13] <pingvinas> so now my home directory is "migi", so i rename it to "migi.org" and then i create new "migi" and then move everything back from "migi.org" to "migi" right?>
[11:13] <taw> when you log in with empty home directory, it's like login first time
[11:13] <taw> yes
[11:13] <taw> and that migi.org can be migi.this_was_before_everyhting_blow_up or what ever you want
[11:13] <pingvinas> now one important question: is there any danger to the data on my computer? i have some really important things without back up, which i don't want to love
[11:14] <pingvinas> to lose
[11:14] <taw> that's why we mv, not rm
[11:14] <pingvinas> ok, and then i move everything when i get back to kernel?
[11:15] <pingvinas> and chown uzer: uzer is for what?
[11:15] <taw> to make you the directory owner, without that root would own that, and you would not have write permission to it
[11:16] <pingvinas> oh ok
[11:16] <taw> when moving everything back, be carefull
[11:16] <pingvinas> why?
[11:16] <taw> so that you won't copy something old, broken over newly created working ones
[11:17] <pingvinas> and how can i move everything back?
[11:17] <taw> I would do:
[11:17] <taw> cd ../migi.org
[11:17] <taw> mv -i * ~
[11:17] <taw> mv -i .* ~
[11:18] <pingvinas> and that's it?
[11:18] <taw> and on every question 'overwrite ....' answer is no
[11:18] <taw> man mv
[11:18] <pingvinas> so i should write '*~' without space?
[11:19] <taw> no
[11:19] <taw> ~ is your home dir
[11:19] <pingvinas> so i should write '* home'?
[11:19] <taw> you can also say 'mv -i * ../migi/' yif you feel better with it
[11:20] <pingvinas> oh i see now
[11:20] <pingvinas> and i should do that in shell too?
[11:20] <taw> yes
[11:20] <pingvinas> and then write 'man mv'?
[11:21] <pingvinas> and after that 'exit'?
[11:21] <taw> you can do same thing in graphical file manager also if you feel more comfortable with it
[11:21] <pingvinas> i will do it in shell i guess
[11:22] <taw> that 'man mv ' is only if you want to know what that mv -i means
[11:22] <pingvinas> so after 'mv -i * ../migi/' i should write 'exit' directly?
[11:22] <taw> you want to do that 'mv -i .* ~' also
[11:22] <pingvinas> yes
[11:23] <pingvinas> and then exit?
[11:23] <taw> if you want
[11:23] <taw> or you can leave shell open
[11:23] <pingvinas> and then i get back to kernel?
[11:23] <pingvinas> ok i try now
[11:23] <pingvinas> thanks a lot taw!
[11:24] <taw> wait
[11:24] <pingvinas> ??
[11:24] <taw> you can run those 'mv' commands in terminal, as youself, doesn't need to be root
[11:25] <pingvinas> ok so no i go to recovery mode, then "cd /home" then "mv migi migi.org", then "mkdir migi", then "chown migi: migi", exit and then do the "mv" commands in terminal back in kernel, right?
[11:27] <pingvinas> is that right?
[11:27] <pingvinas> taw?
[11:27] <taw> your usage of 'kernel' word is correct
[11:29] <pingvinas> sorry?
[11:29] <taw> what you mean with 'kernel' ?
[11:29] <pingvinas> i mean back to desktop
[11:30] <taw> 'ok so no i go to recovery mode, then "cd /home" then "mv migi migi.org", then "mkdir migi", then "chown migi: migi", exit and then do the "mv" commands in terminal back in desktop'
[11:30] <taw> yes, that's correct
[11:30] <pingvinas> ok
[11:30] <pingvinas> thanks a lot, taw
[11:30] <taw> no prob
[11:56] <pingvinas> taw, it doesn't work anyway. it didn't create new .gconf or .gnome
[11:57] <pingvinas> so i don't know how to get those directories back
[11:58] <taw> is your xubuntu upgraded from some earlier version?
[11:59] <pingvinas> i think it's the last one
[11:59] <pingvinas> how can i check?
[11:59] <pingvinas> i just installed it two months ago or so
[11:59] <taw> ok then, if you know you haven't upgraded form one version to another
[12:00] <taw> ' ... from one ...'
[12:00] <pingvinas> but would it make any difference?
[12:00] <pingvinas> so i should type ' ... from one ... ' in terminal?
[12:01] <taw> I was just thinking if those directories were created with old distribution, and aren't really used anymore
[12:01] <taw> but you still have some problem, what was the error?
[12:02] <pingvinas> it says on start up that the gnome configuration power adapter is wrecked
[12:02] <pingvinas> power adaptor or something...
[12:02] <taw> on menu, take 'settings -> power management'
[12:03] <pingvinas> it says 'the configuration defaults for GNOME power manager have not been isntalled correctly
[12:03] <pingvinas> '
[12:03] <pingvinas> so it's something with power adapter
[12:04] <pingvinas> any idea how to solve this problem?
[12:07] <taw> have you tried google?
[12:07] <pingvinas> no, not yet
[12:08] <pingvinas> looking, but can't find anything
[12:10] <taw> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-980711.html
[12:10] <taw> first hit with search 'the configuration defaults for GNOME power manager have not been isntalled correctly'
[12:13] <pingvinas> shall i try to reinstall it?
[12:13] <pingvinas> 'apt-get --reinstall install gnome-power-manager' in terminal?
[12:15] <taw> 'sudo' in front of that
[12:15] <pingvinas> yeah, do you think i should do that?
[12:16] <taw> yes
[12:19] <pingvinas> taw, it still says the same error
[12:20] <pingvinas> it's probably because i removed .gconf and .gnome
[12:20] <pingvinas> since before that it was ok
[12:22] <taw> config defaults and use .gnome and .gconfd are different thing
[12:22] <taw> I would suspect reason is something else
[12:22] <taw> but gotta go
[12:37] <bradley__> hi.  i am trying to delete some (lots and lots) if files from a usb drive.  for some reason the default action seems to be to move the files into the trash on my computer.  is there a way to have it bypass that and just delete them directly form the usb drive?
[13:00] <dixon2081> cannot log into xcfe4 any tips?
[13:00] <dixon2081> i am using ubuntu 8.10 with kubuntu and xubuntu desktops
[13:06] <charlie-tca> dixon2081: any error messages?
[13:06] <dixon2081> no
[13:06] <dixon2081> it goes right back to the log in screen
[13:26] <dixon2081> how would i set xcfe4 back to defaults thru terminal, what codes do i need to enter?
[13:28] <charlie-tca> delete ~/.config/xfce4 and ~/.config/xfce4-session and restart the system. That will delete all changes you have made to it.
[13:37] <reynante> my listen music player does not play my mp3s continuously, how do i fix this?
[13:37] <reynante> after playing a song, it will not play the next song
[13:38] <charlie-tca> Are they all listed in the playlist on the left?
[13:39] <reynante> yes
[13:39] <reynante> its in full display mode
[13:40] <dixon20811> i got a bash with that command you gave me
[13:40] <charlie-tca> reynante: I don't know enough about it. wel will see if someone else can answer
[13:40] <reynante> left side is the album, right sides are the songs
[13:40] <charlie-tca> dixon20811: what do you mean you got a bash?
[13:40] <reynante> maybe the player hates avril lavigne
[13:40] <reynante> :)
[13:41] <charlie-tca> reynante: maybe?
[13:41] <dixon20811> well it said it could not remove the file
[13:43] <charlie-tca> That is probably the problem, then. If you were in your HOME directory, you should be the owner and able to remove them
[13:43] <charlie-tca> perhaps kubuntu changed permissions
[13:43] <dixon20811> idk
[13:43] <dixon20811> i just had to set kde back to default
[13:44] <dixon20811> now im trying to set gnome back to default
[13:44] <dixon20811> and then xfce4 back to default
[13:45] <reynante> charlie-tca, got it, the file needs to be enqueued
[13:45] <charlie-tca> great. glad you got it.
[13:45] <reynante> <-- windows fanboy
[13:46] <dixon20811> <--- hates windows
[13:46] <reynante> not yet familiar with the new additions of xubuntu
[13:46] <dixon20811> well i got it thru sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:46] <dixon20811> with ubuntu 8.10
[13:46] <reynante> well we can't do away with windows, adobe cs3 programs, autocad, 3dstudio max and stuff
[13:47] <dixon20811> <- has had success with wine :)
[13:48] <reynante> well if you configure and maintain win xp right, you can run it with a p3 machine with 128mb ram
[13:48] <reynante> although xubuntu would run faster :)
[13:48] <dixon20811> :)
[13:49] <dixon20811> <- likes ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu, but likes xubuntu the best :)
[13:49] <reynante> of all the buntus, i like xubuntu best too
[13:49] <dixon20811> :)
[13:49] <reynante> ubuntu = 2 hand broad sword , xubuntu = katana
[13:50] <dixon20811> :)
[13:50] <dixon20811> windows = bastard sword :p
[13:51] <dixon20811> brb
[13:51] <dixon20811> gotta c if something worked...
[13:52] <ball> I just gave Xubuntu a plug on the Illinois school tech geeks mailing list.
[13:52] <ball> ...because I like it.
[13:53] <charlie-tca> Thank you, ball
[13:53] <charlie-tca> good news is always welcome
[13:53] <ball> charlie-tca: No problem.  Someone on there asked what OS to run on a Pentium III box.
[13:54] <ball> ...so I offered up my vote.
[13:54] <genii> A low-overhead one ;)
[13:54] <charlie-tca> Easy question, huh?
[13:54] <ball> Ah, now I get to read other people's suggestions.
[13:55] <ball> I wonder what "Zenwalk" is.
[13:55] <ball> Ah, someone else suggested Ubuntu
[13:55] <ball> I think I would prefer Xubuntu even on a faster box.
[13:56] <genii> For many people the xfce desktop confuses them, I've found
[13:56] <ball> I'm trialling Xfce at a site about 130 miles S. of here.
[13:57] <ball> That's not being done on Xubuntu yet though.
[13:57] <ball> I should say "preparing to trial"
[13:58] <ball> At the moment their desktops are running on a server with NetBSD, but I've done it on Ubuntu Server before now too.
[13:58] <genii> At one of my jobs we are putting Xubuntu on about 2500 old p2 boxes
[13:58] <ball> genii: There's a 300 MHz Celeron Covington box behind me.
[13:58] <genii> Hehe, nice
[13:58] <ball> I tried installing Ubuntu Server on it last night, but the installer wouldn't work with the display adaptor.
[13:59] <ball> genii: I've had to press it into service as a test rig, to replace my 800 MHz Pentium III box that died.
[13:59] <reynante> genii, wish i can help you install xubuntu
[13:59] <reynante> 2500 units = thats quite a handful
[14:00] <reynante> what are they for? school?
[14:00] <ball> Oh good!  Someone else plugged Xubuntu too!
[14:00] <ball> Ideally it'll become the default school OS for Illinois :-)
[14:01] <genii> reynante: We got them from city hall, old office boxes (Dell GX1) . The place I am working for is a community based ISP. So we are putting Xubuntu, with old dialup modems and giving them away to ppl without computers and internet, etc.
[14:01] <ball> Wait, you said 2,500 ?!
[14:01] <reynante> wow, thats great genii
[14:01] <genii> ball: Yes. We had over 3,000 but some were no good and got stripped
[14:02] <reynante> if people shared like this, i dont think that life would be hard
[14:02] <ball> genii: how will they connect to your ISP?  Via POTS?
[14:02] <genii> ball: Yup
[14:02] <ball> genii: do you have a bank of analogue modems, or something like a T-1 line?
[14:02] <reynante> linux will the backbone of things when shtf
[14:02] <genii> ball: We have 2 PRI
[14:03] <ball> genii: both for inbound calls, or is one a trunk to the Internet?
[14:03] <genii> ball: Both for incoming, one line reserved for incoming system access only for terminal to the routers, servers, etc
[14:04] <ball> genii: where are you btw?
[14:04] <genii> ball: Toronto, Canada
[14:04] <ball> HAH!  I knew it!
[14:04] <reynante> wish i can migrate to canada :)
[14:05] <ball> reynante: that's on my "to-do" list
[14:05] <reynante> then work with genii to help install xubuntu
[14:05] <reynante> ball, where are you from?
[14:05] <ball> reynante: I'm British, but I live in Illinois, USA
[14:05] <reynante> ah
[14:05] <reynante> im pinoy, from the philippines
[14:06] <ball> Once I have this disk ready, I should try installing Xubuntu on this box.  It's possible the installer doesn't suffer the same problem as Ubuntu Server
[14:07] <ball> It probably wants more than 192 Mbytes RAM though.
[14:08] <ball> ...the most this box will take is 256M
[14:08] <charlie-tca> ball: I have tested Jaunty in 128MB ram. Using the alternate cd, you can install and run fine in 192MB
[14:08] <charlie-tca> (a little slow, maybe)
[14:09] <charlie-tca> and that with a STB Velocity 4MB video card, too
[14:10] <genii> I have built a netboot server which auto-installs currently 8.04 on them, registers the MAC and then next reboot they get incremental names/logins
[14:11] <ball> genii: that sounds like a sensible approach.  Do they all have PXE firmware?
[14:11] <ball> ...or bootp at least?
[14:11] <genii> 256 seems optimal, according to our current testing. You can have browser, editor, IM and file manager all open without yet going into swap
[14:12] <genii> ball: Yes, the nics can pxeboot
[14:12] <ball> genii: Hmm... do I really want to spend US$ 20 on this box though? :-)
[14:13] <ball> hello crazygir
[14:13] <crazygir> hiya hiya!
[14:13] <crazygir> 8.10 is associated with which ubuntu version? I get lost in the silly names
[14:13] <crazygir> despite loving pixar
[14:13] <charlie-tca> genii: that sounds about right. I found that 256MB is about ideal for general use without too much limitations
[14:13] <genii> Intrepid Ibex
[14:14] <ball> Now, there's a Pentium III box beside me that could take 768 Mbytes.
[14:14] <ball> I think that's a better candidate for Xubuntu.
[14:14] <genii> charlie-tca: We found at 192 that swap starts to get used earlier
[14:14] <ball> (or would be, if I bought more RAM for it)
[14:14] <pleia2> crazygir: debian is the one that has pixar names :) ubuntu is kinda arbitrary animals
[14:14] <genii> So since these boxes have 6.5Gb hd we wanted to minimize bottlenecks, etc
[14:14] <charlie-tca> genii: it does. but at one or two applications only at a time, it remained useable
[14:15] <charlie-tca> Unless one is Xchat. That seems to eat the memory
[14:15] <ball> 256 Mbytes PC100 ECC, US$ 30
[14:15] <genii> charlie-tca: Yes. In xfce we used for benchmark: pidgen, firefox, abiword, and thunar
[14:15] <ball> czesc Riotta
[14:16] <ball> oops, missed him or her
[14:17] <reynante> xubuntu updated itself yesterday after installation and there are two choices when you press esc during grub bootup. how do i remove the older one
[14:24] <crazygir> pleia2: oh right. silly linux :P
[14:30] <crazygir> is pidgin 2.5.5 available for 8.10? i can't seem to get an updated package
[14:35] <charlie-tca> crazygir: I only show it at 2.5.2
[14:36] <ball> kancerman: hey neigbour
[14:49] <crazygir> charlie-tca: ditto
[14:49] <ball> ooh... tea!
[14:49] <crazygir> how would I get 2.5.5? ICQ has updated their protocol, which 2.5.2 barfs on
[14:49]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:49] <genii> Damned AOL
[14:49] <crazygir> they're all idiotic :P
[14:51] <genii> crazygir: http://www.getdeb.net/app/Pidgin   has 2.5.5
[14:56] <ball> genii: is your ISP a co-op?
[14:56] <genii> ball: Yes
[14:56] <genii> Since 1994 :)
[14:56] <ball> I've thought about doing something related down here, but on a much smaller scale of course.
[15:00] <crazygir> genii: I don't quite understand.. can this not be installed through the package manager?
[15:00]  * crazygir misses ports
[15:01] <ball> crazygir: FreeBSD person?
[15:01] <crazygir> Open
[15:01] <ball> Ah okay.
[15:01]  * crazygir nods
[15:01] <ball> NetBSD man myself.
[15:01] <crazygir> :)
[15:02] <ball> Trying to use Xubuntu and Ubuntu Server more these days though (for some things)
[15:04] <crazygir> I thought it was supposed to be simple :p
[15:04] <ball> It has been for me, except for the initial culture shock ;-)
[15:05] <crazygir> is it possible to install pidgin 2.5.5 with synaptic
[15:05] <crazygir> ?
[15:05] <crazygir> I like avoiding screwing with installing packages by hand
[15:06] <ball> what version do you get with "sudo apt-get install pidgin" ?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> You should be able to download it, double-click it to install
[15:07] <charlie-tca> or, Jaunty alpha 6 is coming 2009-03-12, and you could upgrade to jaunty and have it
[15:08] <charlie-tca> or, you could add the Jaunty universe repository to intrepid and then it should be able to upgrade itself
[15:09] <charlie-tca> but that might not work
[15:10] <crazygir> ball: 2.5.2
[15:11] <ball> What does 2.5.5 offer over 2.5.2?
[15:11] <crazygir> ICQ changed their protocol
[15:12] <charlie-tca> ball: <crazygir> how would I get 2.5.5? ICQ has updated their protocol, which 2.5.2 barfs on
[15:12] <crazygir> thanks :)
[15:12] <ball> Ah, okay.
[15:12] <ball> I did see that earlier, but I wasn't paying attention.
[15:13]  * charlie-tca gonna slap attention to ball
[15:13] <ball> charlie-tca: hey, I've got tea here so hopefully the caffeine will help.
[15:13] <charlie-tca> I'm sure it will. It always helps me.
[15:13]  * charlie-tca still working on the morning coffer
[15:13] <genii> crazygir: Since 2.5.5 is not in official release yet, the only way currently is to manually install a .deb file, such as the one at getdeb.net. It's not so painful :)
[15:14] <charlie-tca> s/coffer/coffee
[15:15] <genii> When you d/l the deb file it whould prompt you to open it with gdebi or so, which will install it
[15:16] <charlie-tca> but, use Synaptic Package Manager to remove "pidgin-data" first. That will remove pidgin also
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Then you can install the pidgin files on the download page
[15:19] <ball> genii: so, once pidgin is officially released with support for the new protocol, then there will be a binary package for it?
[15:20] <genii> ball: Yes, I imagine it will be backported. So updates will just overwrite the getdeb version (unless it has been specifically pinned)
[15:20]  * ball isn't sure what all that means.
[15:22] <charlie-tca> it just means that after installing 2.5.5 from debian, if xubuntu updates intrepid, it will still work
[15:23] <charlie-tca> unless you do some adjustments specifically telling Xubuntu not to touch the pidgin files
[15:23]  * charlie-tca thinks that is what genii said
[15:26] <crazygir> genii: sure it is ;)
[15:28] <genii> charlie-tca: Yes, exactly
[15:51] <crazygir> genii: so when using  these packages, I'm told to run sudo apt-get on the cmd line, which errors out with E: Couldn't find package pidgin-data_2.5.5-1~getdeb1_all.deb
[15:51] <ablomen> crazygir, sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[15:52] <genii> crazygir: If you are installing from command-line use instead:    sudo dpkg -i pidgin-data_2.5.5-1~getdeb1_all.deb
[15:52] <crazygir> ah
[15:52]  * genii hands ablomen a coffee
[15:52] <crazygir> -f is for fix, I assumed file
[15:52] <ablomen> heh
[15:53]  * charlie-tca thinks it is only for confusion
[15:53] <crazygir> wow.. this is *wonderfully* sensible
[15:54] <crazygir>  /end sarcasm
[16:18] <sekel> how do i upgrade to the new xfce?
[16:29] <sekel> how do i upgrade to the new XFCE?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> sekel: what version of xubuntu?
[16:30] <freego> sekel, what version of xfce?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Jaunty has Xfce 4.6 already
[16:30] <sekel> hmmm
[16:30] <sekel> i dont know
[16:30] <sekel> :(
[16:31] <sekel> what is jaunty
[16:31] <charlie-tca> go to Applications -> About Xfce; click the infor tab
[16:31] <charlie-tca> What version does it give
[16:31] <sekel> just says xfcei have 4.4
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Are you using Xubuntu?
[16:31] <sekel> yes
[16:31] <charlie-tca> 4.4.??
[16:31] <freego> sekel, wich version?
[16:31] <freego> intrepid?
[16:32] <sekel> version 4.4.3 (Xfce 4.4)
[16:32] <sekel> xubuntu 8.10
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Okay. You can get a copy here: Get it here: https://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa . File the bugs against it and subcribe charlie-tca to them, please.
[16:33] <charlie-tca> oops. Do not file bugs on Launchpd. They must be filed on xfce.bugzilla.org instead
[16:33] <charlie-tca> nope. http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[16:34] <sekel> rthx
[16:34] <sekel> thx
[16:46] <brandonban6> can't you just download 4.6 from xfce.org instead of running a distro upgrade?
[16:48] <charlie-tca> you can, but you may have to fight the packages more because of dependencies. The PPA has everything needed to make it work in Xubuntu
[16:49] <brandonban6> ahh, I see. Does make sense.
[16:50] <charlie-tca> That's why it is not recommended to directly install it. It just doesn't work
[16:52] <brandonban6> I find that with a few things in linux though.......it seems there are several things I have to arm wrestle...partly because I'm running ubuntu and in a windows environment at work (xubuntu at home).
[16:58] <sekel> i added the repo but it shows no upgrades for my system stil
[16:59] <charlie-tca> did you do apt-get update?
[16:59] <sekel> i did
[16:59] <sekel> :S
[16:59] <sekel> i didnt ad the key thingy though
[17:02] <sekel> odd
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Did you follow the instructions here: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[17:11] <charlie-tca> After adding the ppa and key, you should be able to sudo apt-get install xfce4-4.6.0pa1ĩntrepid1
[17:11] <charlie-tca> I think
[17:11] <sinbox> I'm trying "sudo xinit -- :2" to test an edited xorg.conf but I just get errors any ideas?
[17:53] <sinbox> anyone can help me with forcing my screen resolution as my KVM is not passing the monitor's EDID correctly
[17:58] <genii> Temporarily bypass the kvm, install read-edid package, issue:  sudo get-edid | parse-edid and use result to make a resolution entry in the xorg.conf. Then plug your kvm back in the middle.
[18:06] <sinbox> wil try that genii thanks, I already made some entry in xorg.conf though but it does not seem to force the resolution and won't give me more than 800x600, will report after trying your idea though
[18:12]  * brandonban6 is away: [Time to Grub]
[18:22]  * brandonban6 is back (gone 00:09:56)
[18:22] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell brandonban6 about away
[18:23] <Myrtti> brandonban6: turn that off.
[18:23]  * charlie-tca thanks Myrtti 
[18:25] <brandonban6> okay, thank you Myrtti
[18:31] <RurouniJones> Hoi all, which MP3 player / library app would you recommend for xubuntu?
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Listen Music Player is the default for Xubuntu
[18:32] <RurouniJones> Hmm, it isn't in my Multimedia menu section
[18:32] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu?
[18:32] <RurouniJones> Hardy but I just found it in the repo, no worries.
[18:44] <basajaun> hi need help with compositor
[18:48] <knome> !ask | basajaun
[18:51] <basajaun> I have used a script called Compiz-check was asked for the test if I wanted to turn compositor off , yes, but now the option has disappeared from window manager tweak
[18:52] <basajaun> how do I restore the WMT to its original settings with the compositor tab?
[18:54] <brandonban6> RurouniJones, I really like banshee for mp3s if you want to explore other options :)
[19:02] <RurouniJones> Gracias
[19:03] <basajaun> After using Compiz-check script compositor tab has disappeared from window manager tweak how do I restore settings
[19:22] <Salix_> Hello! How to convert all the SVG files (*.svg) to PNG files (*.png) the easiest way?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> imagemagik
[19:24] <knome> or inkscape command line
[19:25] <charlie-tca> sounds like "command line" either way
[19:25] <Salix_> command line is OK
[19:25] <Salix_> but using "convert *.svg *.png" gives me a bunch of strangely named png files :-/
[19:26] <charlie-tca> knome knows more art stuff than me. I just stumble on it
[19:27] <knome> Salix_, inkscape --export-png=FILENAME
[19:27] <knome> Salix_, you might need to create some kind of loop to go through all the svg's
[19:38] <Salix_> with a loop it was rather fast... but it's a pitty that I couldn't figure out how to do it otherwise
[19:38] <Salix_> thanks anyway!
[19:38] <Salix_> :-)
[19:42] <milkytoast> hello, I am having a problem with my screensaver.  I am on an older system with an intel 82810E built on video card.  I went poking around the screensavers when I selected antsearchlight,  Xorg freeked out and started giving me odd color patterns on the screen.  I do not have openGL enabled mainly because this card doesn't support it well and I don't really need it.  I do need to know how to reset the screen saver to blank. Thank you
[19:43] <milkytoast> I did try ~/gconf/gnomescreensaver/%gconf.xml
[19:44] <milkytoast> but when I opened up the screensaver menu again it was back to antsearch light... and I had to reboot
[19:44] <knome> !screensaver
[19:45] <milkytoast> ok
[19:45] <milkytoast> !screensaver at the console?
[19:45] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[19:45] <milkytoast> 8.10
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I am bringing it up, just a minute
[19:51] <batcoder-7> did xubuntu ever fix that bloat problem it had with 8.04?
[19:53] <milkytoast> it seems like it to me, this runs fairly well on this older system
[19:53] <milkytoast> P3 700,  256MB of ram
[19:53] <basajaun> compositor tab gone any Ideas how to restore  Window Manager Tweak?
[19:54] <n2diy> Hi long time Ubuntu user here. I just upgraded from Dapper to Hardy, and found it is a little challenging for my hardware, so I'm going to give Xubuntu a test drive, any tips or tricks I should be aware of before I start my journey?
[19:54] <milkytoast> what is your hardware?
[19:55] <n2diy> batcoder-7: what bloat problem?
[19:56] <batcoder-7> it got much beffer in its last release
[19:56] <charlie-tca> milkytoast: I would try deleting ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-screensaver
[19:56] <n2diy> milkytoast: PIII/500mhz, 256m ram, 8.5g HD
[19:56] <charlie-tca> The screensaver will rebuild it, and it is the screensaver configuration file.
[19:57] <milkytoast> ahh
[19:57] <milkytoast> should I try and kill the screen saver daemon in case there are any saved preferences stored in it?
[19:58] <n2diy> nothing heard, away I go, hopefully I'll be chatting with you on Xubuntu, in half an hour or so.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> It shouldn't matter.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> n2diy: you are doing a fresh install?
[20:00] <n2diy> Whoops, not so fast,
[20:00] <n2diy> charlie-tca: umm, yes, over a fresh install of Ubuntu 8.04
[20:01] <charlie-tca> basajaun: Might try removing and reinstalling xfwm4, which is the window manager
[20:01] <charlie-tca> You should be fine, as long as you are not just adding xubuntu-desktop to gnome. That would not allow the lighter resources to work
[20:02] <basajaun> charlie-tca: using synaptic?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> basajaun: I would log out, open a tty2 (ctrl+alt+f2), and use apt-get there
[20:03] <n2diy> how do I start the install from Busybox? Or, is there another way to start the install other than booting the Xubuntu disk?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> If you are overwriting the ubuntu partition, I don't know any way to do it from busybox
[20:04] <basajaun> k Charlie thanks will try that and uninstall command ?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> basajaun: sudo apt-get remove xfwm4
[20:05] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install xfwm4
[20:05] <charlie-tca> should remove and reinstall. wait a minute, let me look something up.
[20:06] <basajaun> k
[20:08] <n2diy> Ok, how do I install Xubuntu?
[20:09] <knome> n2diy, di you already have a ubuntu/kubuntu system?
[20:10] <n2diy> knome: yes, Ubuntu 8.04, on this box, and my test box.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> basajaun: okay, that should work. You may have to restart if the desktop won't come up for you
[20:10] <charlie-tca> n2diy: normally from a cd you burned the image to, just like ubuntu
[20:10] <basajaun> k charlie-tca  thanks
[20:11] <basajaun> bye
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Good luck, basajaun
[20:11] <basajaun> ty
[20:11] <charlie-tca> !download
[20:11] <knome> fail
[20:11] <n2diy> charlie-tca: ok, but my cd is marked "boots to Busybox" is that normal?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> that kinda sucks
[20:12] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/get
[20:12] <charlie-tca> n2diy: no, is that an Xubuntu cd?
[20:12] <n2diy> charlie-tca: yes, but I haven't tried it in a long time, so maybe it is something wierd here, let me give it another try, thanks.
[20:13] <milky_> well, didnt' work
[20:13] <milky_> but I did delete it then rebooted the machine and that worked
[20:14] <w33d> hi
[20:14] <milky_> thanks for you help
[20:14] <w33d> can somebode help mi with up my wlan0?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> so, milky_ you are back where you started with compositor missing?
[20:15] <charlie-tca> !somebody | w33d
[20:15] <w33d> :)
[20:15] <w33d> ok
[20:16] <milky_> oh,  I'm setup as milky and not milkytoast for some reason
[20:16] <w33d> does somebody speak polish? :D
[20:16] <milky_> my problem was just wiht the screen-saver
[20:16] <knome> w33d, nope. and this is not a polish support channel anyway :P
[20:16] <charlie-tca> oh!
[20:16] <charlie-tca> !polish
[20:17] <knome> charlie-tca, ! you beat me
[20:17] <w33d> thx
[20:17]  * charlie-tca happy today
[20:17]  * charlie-tca beat knome... he must have been daydreaming
[20:17] <brandonban6> lol, nice charlie-tca
[20:17] <knome> hehe
[20:18] <knome> maybe i'm just slower than normal today
[20:18] <charlie-tca> probably be another month before it happens again
[20:18] <knome> (or my content fetching script isn't working ;))
[20:18] <charlie-tca> That's it!
[20:19] <knome> mmh, i think i'll rip some cd's
[20:19] <charlie-tca> I tried that. It cut my hands up
[20:19] <knome> lol
[20:19] <knome> is it weird that my "play cd" action is "sound-juicer" ?
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Depends on the xubuntu version. In jaunty, yes
[20:20] <knome> charlie-tca, is there a better ripper?!
[20:20] <charlie-tca> no, you upgraded instead of fresh install, right?
[20:20] <knome> upgrade, yes.
[20:20] <charlie-tca> probably normal, then
[20:21] <knome> that was mostly a theoretical/rhetorical question :P
[20:21] <charlie-tca> I don't know the cd ripper apps at all.
[20:21]  * charlie-tca wasted the answer again.
[20:21] <knome> i know grip and sound-juicer. that's all
[20:22] <knome> grip is good but it seems to have some nasty bugs and it's not maintained anymore.
[20:22] <charlie-tca> I turned some into mp3's, and don't know what I used to do that even
[20:22] <charlie-tca> I tried to do some more, but couldn't find the app I used.
[20:25] <w33d> who can i connetc to wifi? i config essid, key wep
[20:25] <w33d> and still not connected
[20:26] <charlie-tca> You have to unplug the network cable, I think.
[20:26] <charlie-tca> a little help here, on wireless, please
[20:27] <basajaun> vanished compositor tab in Window Manager Tweak
[20:27] <charlie-tca> still missing, basajaun ?
[20:28] <w33d> charlie-tca i have unplug
[20:28] <basajaun> yes charlie-tca  just rebooted after un/re-installing xfwm4
[20:28] <charlie-tca> We just have to wait for somebody else to help, w33d
[20:29] <w33d> problem is that im noob,
[20:29] <w33d> its my firts time with linux
[20:30] <n2diy> Ok, I tried installing Xubuntu, and it boots to Busybox, "initramfs" prompt?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> n2diy: that cd may be bad. Did it pass integrity check?
[20:31] <n2diy> charlie-tca: no, the check boots to the same thing.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Then it is a bad image. You need to download and burn the iso again
[20:32] <n2diy> charlie-tca: ok, drat, no blank CDs, can I burn it to DVD, and boot from that?
[20:32] <charlie-tca> yes, it should work the same
[20:33] <charlie-tca> But if it doesn't pass the cd integrity check, it also won't install, normally
[20:33] <n2diy> charlie-tca: ok, roger that, thanks.
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Good luck
[20:36] <knome> how do i rip a DVD audio disc?
[20:39] <milkytoast> might want md5 the CD image as well
[20:39] <milkytoast> n2diy
[20:49]  * charlie-tca seems to have used up all of his answers. May as well give up now
[20:49] <basajaun> not sure what to do now
[20:50] <charlie-tca> never give up. Just ask again later. More people will be around, maybe one will have the anser
[20:50] <charlie-tca> s/anser/answer
[20:50] <knome> basajaun, so you lack some compiz option?
[20:50] <knome> basajaun, or compiz broke something?
[20:52] <basajaun> not really knome , I have used a script to test my machine and I stupidly accepted that the script would stop compositor but now.....
[20:52] <knome> the xfwm compositor?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> The whole tab is missing from window manager tweaks, knome
[20:54] <knome> right.
[20:55] <basajaun> the script is caller Compiz-check , test if a computer can run compiz and says found a compositor cannot test... do you want to stop compositor
[20:55] <knome> basajaun, where did you download that?
[20:57] <basajaun> there http://forlong.blogage.de/entries/pages/Compiz-Check knome
[20:57] <knome> ok, let me see
[20:59] <knome> basajaun, waht happens if you run 'xfwm4' from terminal?
[21:02] <superdump> hello
[21:02] <superdump> this is a general question but i'm not sure where else to ask
[21:02] <knome> !hi | superdump
[21:02] <basajaun> xfwm4:8252 warning Another window manager is already running
[21:02] <knome> !somebody | superdump
[21:02] <knome> basajaun, ok.
[21:02] <knome> basajaun, suppose you have tried booting already?
[21:03] <basajaun> yes knome
[21:03] <superdump> knome: :) don't worry, i will. /me is an ffmpeg dev
[21:03] <basajaun> and I have de/re-installed xfwm4 from tty2
[21:04] <knome> basajaun, what does your ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml say? there should be an option "Xfwm/UseCompsiting"
[21:04] <superdump> i installed a machine a while ago and didn't create a separate home partition for whatever reason. now i want to reinstall the OS on the machine but before i do that i want to back up the home dir to another machine on my lan preserving ownership, permissions, etc etc so when the OS is set up again, i can copy everything back
[21:04] <superdump> i'm guessing using rsync for this would be good (i'm not a linux sys admin ;))
[21:04] <knome> basajaun, UseCompositing, of course.
[21:05] <superdump> but the rsync man page lists a lot of options, so it's difficult to know which to use
[21:05] <superdump> i found something suggesting -varpltz and run it as root, but that spat a lot of permissions errors
[21:05] <superdump> which makes it useless
[21:05] <superdump> does anyone have any suggestions?
[21:06] <knome> not really. use ssh? ;)
[21:06] <superdump> (to make this vaguely on topic, i'm fed up of my parents' pc running kubuntu because 4.1 is horrible so i'm making them use xubuntu instead)
[21:06] <basajaun> Use Compositing?
[21:07] <knome> basajaun, let me pastebin mine.
[21:07] <basajaun> ok
[21:08] <knome> basajaun, the first two lines are removed: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/129524/
[21:08] <knome> basajaun, see line 23
[21:08] <charlie-tca> superdump: rsync auREq /FROM/DIRECTORY/ /TO/DIRECTORY will copy all files including hidden files
[21:08] <superdump> ok
[21:08] <knome> basajaun, maybe if you set that to 1 you might get the tab back.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> The R option says use relative pathnames, so it will set them to the partition
[21:09] <superdump> and preserve all permissions, ownership and timestamps regardless of the user conducting the rsync command? (assuming they have permissions to copy the files)
[21:09] <charlie-tca> If you include a 'n' it will dry run the rsync so you can see what it will do
[21:10] <superdump> ok
[21:10] <charlie-tca> I would then delete most of the hidden files, if you don't mind reconfiguring everything, to avoid incompatibility with kde and xubuntu
[21:11] <charlie-tca> (applies mostly to .config and .cache and .gconf types
[21:11] <basajaun> knome: its is on 1
[21:12] <knome> basajaun, ok. do you have xfce4-mcs-plugins-extra installed?
[21:12] <knome> basajaun, you might try to purge remove it and reinstall.
[21:13] <knome> basajaun, also xfce4-mcs-manager and xfce4-settings
[21:13] <basajaun> what the commands?
[21:14] <basajaun> are the commands
[21:16] <basajaun> knome from tty?
[21:17] <basajaun> I ĺl try that
[21:20] <superdump> charlie-tca: thanks
[21:20] <superdump> have fun peoples
[21:23] <basajaun> knome:  using aptitude purge?
[21:24] <knome> basajaun, apt-get --purge remove ...
[21:24] <knome> basajaun, or from synaptic with removing completely
[21:25] <basajaun> k thanks
[21:25] <basajaun> Ill do that now
[21:25] <knome> yeah.
[21:50] <basajaun> hi
[21:51] <basajaun> knome: no joy un/re-installed xfce4 mcs manager and plug-ins
[21:51] <basajaun> still not copositing
[21:51] <basajaun> jinxed
[21:51] <basajaun> compositing
[22:15] <basajaun> I guess
[22:16] <_Pete_> !usb
[22:16] <knome> basajaun, ok...
[22:16] <knome> JPohlmann, maybe you knw why compositor tab has disappeared from the settings manager?
[22:17] <basajaun> lol
[22:18] <knome> basajaun, why lol? he's our xfce liaison.
[22:19] <Myrtti> ♥ JPohlmann
[22:19] <knome> Myrtti, yes.
[22:19] <basajaun> was just a nervous laugh
[22:19] <knome> Myrtti, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2008-September/006528.html
[22:19] <basajaun> been staring at screen for a while
[22:20] <Myrtti> knome: yes?
[22:20] <basajaun> no offense mean and I d love to know
[22:20] <Myrtti> knome: you're not exactly telling me anything new here ;-)
[22:20] <knome> Myrtti, nevermind. :P
[22:20] <knome> Myrtti, why ? then? :P
[22:21] <Myrtti> knome: just wondering where you're getting at since you should know that I preeetty much know all that already ;-P
[22:21] <Myrtti> nevermind :-D
[22:21] <Myrtti> I'm feeling jovial as today is a painfree day
[22:21] <knome> Myrtti, hah. :) onnea
[22:21] <_TuGa_> hello i'm about to install xubuntu on a lapi with 4gb ram can anyone please tell me what should be the swap part size?
[22:22] <Myrtti> _TuGa_: do you plan to use hiberation on the computer?
[22:22] <knome> +n
[22:22] <knome> ;P
[22:23] <Myrtti> though, in my case painfree is a relative term as my right lower limb is never ok, but anyway...
[22:23] <knome> yeah. my back hurt sooooo much earlier.
[22:24] <Myrtti> I'm only on my second year with this :-/
[22:24] <knome> i really should go to sleep. i was snoring already at 8pm when i lying down to fill a crossword
[22:24] <knome> +wnet
[22:24] <knome> d'oh!
[22:24] <knome> good night. :)
[22:25] <Myrtti> nini knome
[22:25] <knome> see you later.
[22:25] <knome> basajaun, good luck :)
[22:25] <basajaun> thanks knome
[22:26] <basajaun> thanks for taking the time
[22:27] <basajaun> getting cross eyed bye all
[22:34] <wrinkliez> ah, maybe you guys can help me. ive been messing around with the new xfce power manager and i cant figure out if there is a way to actually dim my screen?
[23:26] <ferdi> hi everyone what is the differnece xubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-alternate ??
[23:27] <charlie-tca> xubuntu-desktop cd is also a live cd. It has a graphical installer
[23:27] <David-A> ferdi: alternate has text-based install and need less memory during install
[23:27] <charlie-tca> xubuntu-alternate needs less memory to install Xubuntu.
[23:28] <ferdi> can i use alternete with wubi??
[23:29] <ferdi> and after installation do i need to do something for wireless??
[23:29] <ferdi> may wireless card is broadcom it works in ubuntu in default
[23:30] <charlie-tca> I don't believe you can use the alternate cd with wubi, but I have never used wubi
[23:30] <charlie-tca> If the card works in Ubuntu, it should work in Xubuntu also
[23:30] <charlie-tca> We remove gnome desktop and add Xfce desktop
[23:32] <ferdi> charlie-tca,  Xfce isn't it default?
[23:33] <ferdi> i want to use Xfce
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Xfce is the default installed desktop environment in Xubuntu
[23:33] <charlie-tca> But most of the underlying operating system is the same as Ubuntu
[23:33] <ferdi> ohh you  remove gnome desktop and add Xfce desktop in ubutnu , right?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:34] <charlie-tca> with a few more changes, but that is the major difference
[23:34] <ferdi> why dou you do this i mean why don't you just downlad xubuntu
[23:34] <charlie-tca> That is xubuntu
[23:35] <charlie-tca> That's why if your wireless worked in Ubuntu, it should work in Xubuntu
[23:35] <ferdi> no no you say we delete gnome after add Xfice im saying why you do this Xfce is default in xubuntu
[23:36] <charlie-tca> I'm sorry, I seem to have worded that wrong then.
[23:36] <ferdi> why you donwload ubuntu than remove gnome add xubuntu at the begining just donwload xbuntu ??
[23:36] <charlie-tca> no
[23:36] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu uses gnome desktop environment. Xubuntu uses Xfce desktop environment
[23:37] <ferdi> =) ok
[23:37] <ferdi> thanlk you
[23:37] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:46] <ferdi> BTW yes i can use WUBI with xubuntu-desktop