[00:00] compiz does not have such bugs, thank you very much [00:00] on slow hardware? [00:05] well, that was odd. [00:05] Something suddenly started devouring my CPU. [00:05] synchronised crashing [00:05] Picture taking my 2.4GHz CPU, and then throwing away 950/1000 cycles. [00:12] DanaG: that's like 0.01 seconds [00:12] less, actually [00:37] aah, I figured it out: some sort of file system corruption. [00:37] forcing fsck fixed it. [00:40] Evening [00:41] Is jaunty currently utterly fubared? [00:41] I wouldn't go that far ... [00:41] okay, slight exageration :-) [00:41] *noticably* fubared? [00:42] are you pondering whether you should upgrade? [00:42] (I came back home today to find that my laptop (updated last night) has lost the ability to do window decoration, network-manager has forgotten what DNS is and the updates aren't working [00:43] nah, it's nothing I can't fix [00:43] for the former, install compiz [00:43] I'm just wondering if it's just me having bad luck with packages or something more general [00:43] you uninstalled part of it with a dist-upgrade [00:43] *nod* [00:44] I'm getting a load of packages unable to create files ATM, too [00:44] heh, why is it that people seem never to CHECK what it is update-manager wants to remove? [00:45] I never let update-manager do partial-upgrades. [00:45] DanaG: because this is a dev release and sometimes things *change* [00:45] update-manager didn't offer to remove compiz here [00:45] Instead, I look in aptitude to see why it wants to do what it wants to do, and then just wait. [00:45] only dist-upgrade did [00:46] * bruce89 only uses aptitude to upgrade [00:46] ... No space left on device?! What the fsck? [00:46] ah, ext4 ... [00:46] oh dear [00:46] ext4 [00:46] ? [00:47] yeah, sudo touch /forcefsck [00:47] and then reboot [00:47] if you're not actually out of space, that's probably an ext4 bug [00:47] and let it do a full fsck. [00:47] ahhhh [00:47] Right. [00:47] nccooke@haematite:~$ sudo touch /forcefsck [00:47] touch: cannot touch `/forcefsck': No space left on device [00:47] bah. [00:48] oh dear :-) [00:48] yes, there's plenty of space left [00:48] eh, try booting single. [00:48] recovery mode. [00:48] however, I can force a fsck easily myself [00:48] yeah. [00:48] there's a quicker way. "init 1", for a start :-) [00:48] reboot 30 times? :P [00:50] you can use tune2fs I suppose [00:50] oh yeah, how do you change the default journal mode with tune2fs? [00:51] I like using data=journal mode, but it means I have to pass rootflags= on the kernel command line, or root won't mount. [00:51] data=journal does give better data integrity in case of lockups, correct? [00:54] Is there any way to do the equivalent of Sun's ZFS file system's snapshot feature? [00:54] Copy-on-write, where you can make backups of only the diffs? [00:56] That's better. [00:56] I can write to my own disk again :-) [00:57] and no reboot necessary [00:58] random: http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10130701-100.html [01:00] http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4796 [01:00] HP accelerometer == can play Neverball with it. [01:04] Hay all, running kubuntu and plasma is crashing on login, anyone have any ideas? [01:36] hey i just installed jaunty x86_64 on my laptop and when in livecd i got full resolution but now i only get up to 1024x768 [01:39] what GPU/ [01:39] intel 4500 [01:40] hrm [01:40] does compiz work? [01:40] it works fine in 8.10, but i dont know let me see [01:40] that's my new 3d acceleration test :/ [01:40] hehe [01:41] yes compiz works beautifully [01:41] hehe [01:41] so its just the res [01:41] no it hates your monitor [01:41] err, so [01:42] hmm ya, i just want 1280x800 gosh [01:42] hello [01:43] let me double check my xorg.conf [01:43] lol that might be it [01:43] how do i do that xorg-configure thing again [01:44] brb [01:44] anyone awake? [01:45] yup [01:45] i hate asking this in here [01:45] but it seems people in ubuntu are sleeping [01:45] :/ [01:45] I need linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-13-server [01:45] the .deb [01:45] i managed to uninstall it and now i have no wifi [01:46] serios: so get it from archive.ubuntu.com [01:46] ive tried but i dont know where to look [01:46] on archive [01:47] Search for it? [01:47] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-13-server_2.6.27-13.18_i386.deb [01:47] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-13-server_2.6.27-13.18_amd64.deb [01:47] oh golly [01:47] thanks [01:47] backports [01:47] crdlb: ? [01:48] he wants -backports-, that's -restricted- [01:49] well I dont know [01:49] there is no backports 2.6.27-blah [01:49] i need the modules for 2.6.27-13 [01:49] :/ [01:49] I think that is it [01:50] crdlb: oh, he said wifi so that's l-r-m [01:50] could be ath5k [01:50] I don't think linux-backports-modules ever has anything in it, does it? [01:50] no its an intel wifi [01:50] afaik [01:50] serios: oh, that's just the firmware you need then [01:50] serios: that's in l-r-m, my links are what you want [01:50] intel wifi has loadable firmware? :/ [01:50] kk [01:51] yes [01:51] I thought that was only broadom [01:51] no [01:51] I thought they all did at this point [01:51] But I only have broadcom and intel [01:51] intel has since the 3945 [01:51] every laptop in my house has atheros [01:52] or the 2200 even, i dunno [01:52] by pure coincidence [01:52] I know one of their older ones which has a linux driver doesn't need firmware and is completely open source [01:53] hey for some reason i logged out and logged in and it works [01:53] bz0b: logout restarts X [01:53] bz0b: first boot either your monitor was off or there was some timing issue reading the info from the monitor [01:53] that's called the windows fix lite [01:53] i got full res, i think the dpkg-reconfigure fixed it [01:53] lol [01:54] but now my tty's all look like their having a seizure why is that [01:54] bz0b: restart computer [01:55] ok [01:55] brb [01:55] I think 2200 doesn't need loadable firmware. [01:55] 3945+ does. [01:58] anyway on a less serious note, just for giggles I installed Ubuntu on a Quadcore x 4 IBM server (16 cores) at work with 16GB Ram and it was amazing [01:58] lol [01:59] /j #ubuntu-offtopic [01:59] err [02:07] hey Amaranth i rebooted then it went back to the smaller resolution, then i went into tty1 and did a /etc/init.d/gdm restart and it fixed it again, except for again all the tty's look like they are having a siezure again [02:07] bz0b: yep, sounds like a timing problem [02:08] Amaranth, how is that fixed? [02:09] *shrug* [02:09] lol [02:16] anyone getting terrible problems with IO scheduling? [02:17] copying a file from CD to HD makes everything slow and my music is just static (underruns) [02:22] why did latest upgrade rename /etc/modprobe.d/options to options.dpkg-bak? borked my tv tuner. [02:38] durt: because you changed /etc/modprobe.d/options and told it to use the package's version on upgrade [02:39] durt: I would just be glad it made a backup, most of the time when you change a file a package owns it just wipes your copy out [02:39] Amaranth: I have been seeing a LOT of buffer underruns. [02:39] SeveredCross: You're not talking about the same thing [02:39] amaranth: I'm not sure if they're I/O related. [02:39] SeveredCross: I'm talking about my system feeling like the load is at 500 when copying a file [02:39] Oh, hum. Not that bad, no. [02:39] hell the load probably is at 500 [02:40] it feels like I've got no DMA... [02:40] but SATA always has DMA [02:40] you can't even check for DMA, it's always there [02:41] I put my custom options in a custom.conf file instead. [02:54] Amaranth: do you have tracker running? [02:55] JanC: of course not [02:55] tracker and beagle are slow [02:56] I had some serious issues while tracker was running (normally tracker isn't slowing down my system significantly) [02:57] but as it's doing disk I/O almost all the time, and if there would be an IO scheduling issue somehow... [03:02] so does upstart do anything in jaunty? or is just kinda there? [03:02] of course it "does something" [03:02] i'm trying to figure out if i should play with upstart or manually screw with symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/ [03:02] dtchen: well it doesnt control booting yet does it? [03:03] maco: it does [03:03] err, it has for quite a while now [03:03] try removing upstart and see how far you get into a boot. [03:03] and has been doing for a long time [03:03] maco: see /etc/event.d/* [03:07] oh [03:07] ok === les_ is now known as les [03:07] i thought since it was supposed to change again it still wasnt recommended to migate your init scripts there === les is now known as Guest97367 [03:08] your thought is correct, but not for the reason that "it doesn't control booting yet" [03:08] the version of upstart that's currently used is quite old [03:09] and the "language" used to describe services has changed in recent versions [03:09] dtchen: i figured if init scripts arent supposed to migrate to it yet, then it cant be controlling boot because there's nothing in it yet [03:10] you really want to look at what casey is doing in fedora [03:11] can i create an upstart script for something that lacks an init script, like vpnc? [03:11] upstart lets you tell one service to stop if anoher starts right? [03:11] so i could tell it stop miredo when vpnc starts? [03:12] that should be possible if both are defined by upstart scripts [03:12] well id have to define upstart scripts for them [03:12] or at least for vpnc [03:13] but its not too hard, right? === Guest97367 is now known as les [03:13] although the version of upstart in jaunty if quite old, so current documentation on the upstart site might not apply [03:14] s/if/is/ [03:15] why would you want to stop miredo when vpnc starts [03:15] dtchen: because they dont work together [03:15] my school doesnt allow ipv6 so when i start vpnc if miredo's running it gets stupid [03:15] yes they do [03:16] that's patently false [03:16] i was using it not two days ago [03:16] not to mention your school does not DPI v4 UDP to block teredo [03:17] ....didnt work when i tried to use them together [03:17] you can't use miredo even if you're not using vpnc [03:18] why not? [03:18] don't you recall? [03:18] it works fine for web browing [03:18] you experience the strangest route issues that i can't reproduce [03:18] but it half the time doesnt work on freenode [03:18] that's hardly vpnc or miredo to blame, however [03:18] can always telnet freenode, can always ping freenode, just get connection refused on some connect attempts for irc [03:19] which i dont understand [03:19] yeah, thats just my curse [03:19] wait, you have telnet access to freenode? [03:19] anyone can telnet foo.freenode 6667 [03:19] or 8001 or whatever [03:19] that's IRC though [03:19] i think he means to the irc port [03:19] Amaranth: its anonymous [03:19] not remove shell [03:19] no [03:19] err, remote [03:19] i can telnet to ipv6.chat.us.freenode.net on 6667 [03:20] maco: then your irc program is broken, nothing else [03:20] but if i try to connect in irssi, it's only worked twice [03:20] Amaranth: he's not trying to remote in, he's just testing it works [03:20] she never ran a tshark or tcpdump for me, so it's not like i could look at the debug spew [03:20] maco: Amaranth is correct though [03:20] dtchen: i wiresharked it [03:20] maco: if you can telnet [03:20] dtchen: there were no udp packets [03:20] then there is no reason irc shouldn't work [03:20] dtchen and i are both using irssi and he can connect every time [03:21] dtchen: want the cap file? [03:21] lzma it somewhere [03:22] look i can irc via telnet, any problems with my irc client connecting must be problems with the irc client [03:22] that is hard to do, btw [03:22] how does one irc via telnet? [03:23] Painfully. [03:23] hehe, HTTP & SMTP are easier indeed [03:23] when the server starts responding you type 'user foo foo foo :foo' [03:23] then enter [03:23] maco: it's just a text-based protocol [03:23] then 'nick foo' and enter [03:23] then 'join #ubuntu+1' [03:23] JanC: ive never tried though [03:23] ok ill try quassel then [03:23] then 'privmsg #ubuntu+1 :this is my message and the colon is important' [03:24] neither did I, but I've done this with HTTP & SMTP to test new installs [03:24] oh, and POP3 IIRC [03:24] and probably other protocols ツ [03:25] i always forget pop3 and smtp [03:25] You can tell they were somewhat meant to be used like that though [03:25] I always have to look at the RFCs [03:26] but were meant to be easily tested/debuged [03:26] but they * [03:26] ok [03:26] looks like quassel can do ipv6 just fine [03:27] i told you it was irssi. [03:27] quassel is nice [03:27] your irssi works! [03:28] doesn't mean irssi isn't broken [03:28] i'm also using hardy, and you aren't. [03:28] just means his ipv6 setup looks like the irssi developer's ipv6 setup [03:28] or that [03:28] :( but quassel doesnt let me /win 2 and such [03:29] and its got this weird extra window of text. how do i make it put all the text in one window? [03:29] holy wrong channel, batgirl [03:29] why? [03:29] quassel is new in jaunty [03:30] and there isnt a #kubuntu+1 [03:30] so use #kubuntu as intended [03:30] 9people there ask quassel questions) [03:30] if you try to go to #kubuntu+1 im pretty sure it redirects to *here* [03:33] dtchen: hey, how's the bluetooth stuff goin? [03:33] dtchen: get a chance to look at the mini 1030nr at best buy? [03:33] no, today is my day off from ubuntu work. [03:33] oh yeah, have you seen the mini-note 2140? [03:35] http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4796 [03:35] Too bad the LCD is 16:9 and not 16:10. [03:36] http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/first-impressions-of-the-hp-mini-2140-netbook/ [03:37] maco_: you could also try weechat (not sure it supports IPv6 though) [03:39] it says it does, so... [03:40] I realize now I screwed up (I didn't realize there was a forum with such anouncements). At some recent past point I did a "aptitude full-upgrade" and hosed some things because of python transition. Now I can not seem to fix because python is not configured and all the tools to configure seem broke in that they need python or something. I know this was a bad move, but any suggestions to fix configuration of python? [03:41] hansin: use dpkg to downgrade everything you shouldn't have upgraded? [03:41] how did you not notice it saying "hi, i'm going to remove 30 packages, is that ok?" though? [03:42] dtchen: do you know if the same regression would effect all snd-hda-intel cards? [03:42] http://jkontherun.com/2009/02/04/first-impressions-of-the-hp-mini-1000-mi/#more-29037 [03:42] well, that was a "live and learn" thing. lets just leave it at that... :( [03:43] Cycom: the jack event regression that you experience does not affect all codecs equally [03:43] dtchen: hear anything about the mini 9? [03:43] Cycom: what was your SSID? (`lspci -nv|grep -A1 0403') [03:43] dtchen: todays your day off. [03:43] today's* [03:44] yeah, that's true [03:44] dtchen: I was just going to upgrade the mini 9 if you had no data on it. [03:44] thus, on an ubuntu-day, you will have more samples. [03:44] well, that's a chicken-n'-egg. [03:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6noiwmLNpM&eurl=http://jkontherun.com/category/reviews/page/2/ [03:45] dtchen: 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 02) Subsystem: 103c:361a btw :) [03:48] Cycom: it's already fixed [03:49] (well, by "fixed", i mean that the specific multi-hp jack reporting has been disabled for 2.6.29) [03:49] dtchen: what is? [03:49] for your sigmatel. [03:49] dtchen: so audio should be working right now? [03:50] i'm checking jaunty [03:50] linus merged it four days ago [03:51] hansin: there should be no need for python to install python (at least not when using the commandline) [03:52] no, it has not been merged into jaunty yet [03:52] hello everyone, I am ssh irc chatting through a phone [03:52] i am ver excite [03:52] dtchen: so the fix will come as a kernel update? [03:53] akio: neat. i'm using miredo tethered through a G1. [03:53] aww I want a G1 [03:53] Cycom: i'll ask for it to be merged once i verify it [03:53] that's tomorrow night's work, however [03:53] I'm using a meager Palm Centro [03:54] dtchen: how do you like the G1? [03:54] dtchen: also, let me know if you need a guinea pig. [03:54] i like the phone, but i don't have high expectations [03:55] i like playing games on the touchscreen :P [03:55] maco_: Thanks. === bruce89 is now known as bruce89bot [03:56] dtchen: Is it hackable? (do you have root) [03:56] there's wiki explaining how to get root [03:56] akio: yes, it's extremely straightforward. and yes, which is why i can tether. [03:56] JanC: Thanks. I'm trying different things. The python package did not fully configure, but reinstalling via 'dpkg -i python_****' is erroring out. I'll pastebin what it is doing... [03:57] although there is a fancy apk gui for tethering now [03:57] hansin: erroring how? saying a newer version is already installed? [03:57] I figure tethering is watched by the carrier [03:57] akio: he's got an unlimited plan [03:57] akio: it is. [03:58] maco_: Or anyone, it is like this. Nothing to do with new versions: http://pastebin.com/d3738f0b3 [03:58] they do DPI, inject ads, and dither-down most graphic images [03:59] hansin: remove pitivi perhaps [03:59] hansin: remove pitivi first [03:59] python got installed by was not fully configured (I assume like an idiot I just did an 'aptitude full-upgrade' during the pyth... NEVER MIND, thanks I'll give it a go now! [03:59] hansin: ah, maybe you need to downgrade pycentral before the rest of pthon? [04:00] maco_: there is probably no need to downgrade [04:00] I miss verizon's old qnc service. it was slow as heck, but I could get enough net speed to do an ssh session from anywhere for free. [04:00] JanC: well seeing as half the system doesnt work with the new python packages... [04:01] JanC: if you try to install the new python packages, a good chunk of ubuntu-desktop gets removed. only way to get those back would be to downgrade the python upgrade [04:01] his upgrade doesn't work because of pitivi --> (temporarily) remove pitivi [04:01] at least, that's what it looks like [04:02] and I'm using the new packages without major breakage BTW [04:02] :-O [04:02] It works, thanks you all. I removed pitivi. Makes sense now. I didn't realize it was its own package (or what it was). I thought it was just part of Python. Thanks again! [04:02] he finished the Sarah Jane Adventures *without me*?! [04:04] and he's still got my doctor who season 4 that he took from my shelf [04:04] (reading dtchen's part message) [04:05] hansin: I suppose pitivi will be fixed in "the near future" somewhere [04:06] the magic of Python [04:11] I must have installed that during "hardy" when I installed the Ubuntu Studio meta-package. Not why that being broken would create such a fuss... [04:12] hansin: python2.6 is now the default instead of python2.5 [04:12] and because of that all python-based application get re-compiled for that version [04:13] and apparently there is something in the pitivi code that python2.6 doesn't like [04:14] hansin: please report a bug about that BTW [04:15] Okay, that seems to make sense. So when I tried to get Python 2.6 installed, it would hang/bork on some Pitivi issue and never fully get installed. I guess I would have expected it to say "hey you suck package, i'm going to ignore you!!". Okay, I'll file a bug report; that's the least I can do. [04:16] and post the bug # here maybe (if you do it now) === bruce89bot is now known as bruce89 [04:17] Actually, first what I will do is let my system upgrade and then try to install Pitivi and see if it screws things up again. It may have been that I upgrade during that time period that it was posted to not upgrade and I just needed to back myself into the corner I painted myself into. I don't want to open a BR if it is already fixed. I'll check right now and see if anything has already been filed. [04:27] Just reinstalled Pitivi. I'll keep an eye on things. Off for a reboot, but will be back later. Thanks for the help. [04:59] So far no problem with reinstalled Pitivi. I'll keep tabs on it, and if there are issues I'll submit a bug. I suspect it had more to do when I upgraded than anything else, but I watch it. [05:04] Bah... Exit to error: Can't init SDL No available video device... I installed SDL from source trying to play a game and now it doesn't think I have a video device. [05:25] <_stochastic_> is anyone here familiar with the best practise for editing udev rules in Jaunty? Particularly adding raw1394 support? [05:32] can anyone tell me what's going on with the different gstreamer plugins packages? [05:32] like gstreamer-plugins-ugly vs. gstreamer-plugins-ugly-multiverse [05:38] DaemonMDV: -multiverse = non-free [05:39] so the regular package is the ugly plugins where licensing isn't the issue? [05:39] -ugly is probably stuff that in some countries some people claim patents on or such [05:40] like MP3 [05:41] they explain that ugly is either bad code, poorly maintained, or questionable licensing [05:41] seems like -ugly has only decoders & -ugly-multiverse has the LAME encoder [05:41] no, bad code is in -bad [05:41] so I assume that the ugly plugins in Universe are the ones where code and maintainence are the issue? [05:41] oh === FaMott is now known as FaMott|Sleeps [05:42] you know, there is the good, the bad & the ugly ;-) [05:43] yeah [05:43] as long as Ubuntu doesn't force Fluendo on me [05:43] I'm good [05:43] heh [05:43] gstreamer is pure concentrated evil [05:43] true story [05:43] please do that somewhere else [05:43] -fluendo is in a separate package [05:44] ;D [05:44] I've found that Xine plays more formats, but gstreamer is less CPU intensive [05:44] DaemonMDV, i found mplayer plays all formats [05:44] well not the one in jaunty obviously [05:44] but whatever [05:45] Codeina is pure concentrated evil [05:45] for the price of the Fluendo Plugin Pack you could buy a copy of Vista [05:45] with money left over [05:45] yeah right [05:45] seriously [05:46] the Fluendo pack is $85 US [05:46] Vista Basic OEM is $80 on Newegg [05:47] and if you buy an OEM copy without a PC it's illegal... [05:47] no it's not [05:47] plus Vista Basic is barely usable anyway [05:47] the OEM license states that you qualify as an OEM if you install it [05:47] which technically also means you are your own tech support B-) [05:48] Microsoft doesn't really mind normal people buying OEM software, that's why US companies sell a crapload of it to US customers [05:48] and Microsoft has never sued [05:49] oki, Intel X4500 with UXA makes compiz misbehave since I dist-upgraded last night. turning off UXA makes the problem go away. [05:49]