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JDStonewhen a friend of mine unplugs his power adapter from his laptop, it goes into standby, any ideas?06:05
pittiGood morning07:18
didrockspitti & mvo : morning o/07:51
mvohey didrocks07:51
pittihey didrocks07:56
* Amaranth tries again here08:12
Amaranth$ ls -lh /var/log/syslog08:12
Amaranth-rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 329M 2009-03-11 02:50 /var/log/syslog08:12
Amaranthpulseaudio can stop DoS'ing me now08:12
pitti^  see #ubuntu-devel08:12
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pittiseb128: bonjour08:25
seb128hello pitti08:25
pittiseb128: I looked at the log for bug 34050808:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 340508 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__BOXED() (dup-of: 274915)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34050808:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274915 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in pango_shape()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27491508:25
pittiseb128: "Report is a duplicate of #329289 (not fixed yet)"08:25
pittiseb128: I guess marking as duplicate failed because the alleged master bug is also a duplicate08:26
pittiseb128: I thought I fixed that a while, but it seems that something broke there08:26
seb128pitti: wasn't it supposed to follow the chain of duplicates?08:26
pittis/a while/& ago/08:26
seb128slomo: hey, let me know when you are around to talk about this gst bug ;-)08:27
seb128slomo: new bug for you08:38
seb128slomo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/34080008:38
ubottuUbuntu bug 340800 in totem "totem-plugin-viewer crashed with SIGSEGV in realloc()" [Medium,Incomplete]08:38
seb128ups08:38
seb128slomo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57489808:38
ubottuGnome bug 574898 in don't know "totem-plugin-viewer crashed with SIGSEGV in realloc()" [Normal,Unconfirmed]08:38
seb128slomo: this one has a debug stacktrace with gst-ffmpeg rebuilt to not use the system copy08:39
seb128slomo: I'm looking at getting infos for the other one, you don't get the "WARNING **: Failed to retrieve channel layout from caps." either08:40
slomoi'll take a look08:41
slomothat warning is not a problem though08:41
seb128slomo: in fact those have the same stacktrace08:41
seb128slomo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574870 updated too08:41
ubottuGnome bug 574870 in don't know "totem-gstreamer crashed with SIGSEGV in memset()" [Normal,Unconfirmed]08:41
seb128slomo: we get a lot of similar crashers in jaunty, I reassigned 15 at least this week, sirestart says those are rather gst-ffmpeg bugs than ffmpeg since ffplay doesn't have the issue08:42
slomoyeah, looks familiar... could you retry with gst-ffmpeg from debian/unstable? at least the aac bug is fixed there, the memset() one probably too08:43
seb128slomo: the one uploaded yesterday? I synced whatever was current some days ago08:43
seb128slomo: trying08:44
seb128slomo: btw should be sync the new gst-plugins-ugly version? ;-)08:44
slomoyes, the one i've uploaded yesterday08:44
seb128slomo: building it locally to try right now08:45
slomonot sure... you should sync ugly/bad/ffmpeg if possible but there are new features and a million bugfixes ;)08:45
seb128slomo: we still have over a month before jaunty and those are in universe, seems rather a good deal to get the million bugfixes08:45
seb128what do you think?08:45
seb128slomo: ok, new gst-ffmpeg fixes those bugs, let me close them now ;-)08:47
slomothen sync it... there's a known regression with seeking in mpeg files in -bad but a patch is already in bugzilla and will be in next pre-release on friday08:47
seb128ok good08:47
seb128slomo: oh and did you read bugs about dvd playing in totem-gstreamer not working with current versions?08:49
slomoseb128: no... what are the symptoms?08:51
seb128slomo: let me look at the bugs08:51
seb128slomo: hum, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23125176/gst-plugins-bad0.10_0.10.10-1_0.10.10-1ubuntu1.diff.gz, somebody uploaded that to ubuntu ... would it make sense to get into debian too?08:52
seb128the new celt is not in debian08:52
slomoseb128: oh, no but it should go upstream :)08:52
seb128right08:53
slomodamn, i've assigned myself to the bug with that patch and forgot about it08:53
slomo:=08:53
slomo:)08:53
didrockshey seb128 o/08:54
didrocksand slomo too ;)08:54
seb128hey didrocks08:54
seb128didrocks: could you resync gst-plugins-bad0.10 on debian? it's in universe so you can upload08:54
slomohi didrocks08:54
seb128didrocks: there is just the trivial change I pointed to apply over the new version08:54
didrocksseb128: no pb, will do it a little later. "trivial change I pointed to apply"?08:55
seb128didrocks: cf the diff.gz url I copied some lines ago08:56
didrocksseb128: ok, I'm backlogging :)08:56
pittibonjour didrocks08:59
seb128slomo: bug #338321 is the dvd issue, I need to test there08:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 338321 in totem "Totem movie player not playing DVD Video" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33832109:00
seb128pitti: you broke gnome-utils!09:20
pittioh, uh, what?09:20
seb128pitti: the current version doesn't do schemas registration at all in its postinst -> gnome-system-log crash on start with fresh config09:21
seb128pitti: I'm looking into it09:21
pittiseb128: is that dh_gconf?09:22
seb128pitti: yes09:22
pittidarn, sorry09:22
pittiI did debdiff, but didn't compare postinst09:22
pittiseb128: want me to fix it?09:22
seb128pitti: that's ok, I'm on it ;-)09:22
* pitti hugs seb128, merci09:22
pittiseb128: darn, then I need to go back putting together the new gnome-themes-extras and wrestle with autobreak09:23
seb128pitti: you're welcome09:23
pittiseb128: perhaps gnome.mk should add dh_gonf..09:23
seb128pitti: good luck with that09:23
seb128pitti: it does, I'm looking at why that doesn't work ...09:23
pittiseb128: I'll need it09:23
loolasac: help!09:23
loolasac: My wlan1 wifi card is now seen as unmanaged09:23
loolasac: And I can't get it to be managed by NM again09:23
loolasac: I had it in /etc/network/interfaces for some minutes this morning, but even with everything commented out in /e/n/i, NM still says it's unmanaged09:24
seb128pitti: I'm wondering if that's due to the cdbs rules order, I think gnome.mk needs to be after debhelper.mk09:24
* seb128 tries09:24
loolasac: I thought it cached this somewhere, but can't find where09:24
pittiseb128: ah, good point09:24
pittiseb128: I'm used to put the class first, and then the rules, but indeed that might not work with current gnome.mk09:25
asaclool: sudo killall nm-system-settings09:25
asacand yes. NetworkManager init should get a "reload" command09:26
pittiseb128: gnome.mk should perhaps do them in binary-post-install then, but if flipping include order around, it's fine for now09:26
pittiseb128: binary-install calls dh_install09:26
pittiseb128: could you try changing binary-install/%: to binary-post-install/%: in /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk and a no-change rebuild of gnome-utils?09:27
pittiseb128: I'm just afraid that there might be other packages which have that trap09:27
seb128pitti: lemme try09:27
loolasac: THANKS!09:28
loolasac: I don't quite understand why restart doesn't do that though?09:29
asaclool: because thats how it is ;) ... its definitly a missing feature and should be done, yes.09:30
loolasac: Ok; thanks!09:34
seb128hum09:36
seb128didrocks, mvo, pitti:09:36
seb128bzr: ERROR: No module named bzrtools.upstream_import09:36
seb128You may need to install this Python library separately.09:36
seb128what do I do to fix that?09:37
seb128pitti: the cdbs change you suggested makes not difference09:37
* pochu didn't know the "check for notifications" patches are not UI changes :-)09:38
pittiseb128: does dh_gconf get called in the build log at all?09:38
pochuso no UI freeze exception required09:38
pittiseb128: bzr error> what did you try?09:38
seb128pitti: bzr-buildpackage09:38
seb128pitti:09:38
seb128$ grep dh_gconf gnome-utils_2.25.92-0ubuntu2_i386.build09:38
seb128$09:39
seb128pitti: I did dist-upgrade yesterday, perhaps another python-* screwage09:39
mvoanyone familar with the latest pycentral ? it complains loudly that Python-Versions is not defined, yet I do define it in the debian/control file (trying to fix python-ropemacs)09:41
seb128mvo: don't talk to me about python, that's not good for my nerves ;-)09:41
seb128mvo: btw if you have any idea about the bzr-buildpackage error I just copied ...09:42
seb128james_w: ^09:42
pittiseb128: hm, works here..09:42
mvoseb128: you have the latest bzrtools installed I assume :) ?09:43
seb128$ python -c 'import bzrtools'09:43
seb128Traceback (most recent call last):09:43
seb128  File "<string>", line 1, in <module>09:43
seb128ImportError: No module named bzrtools09:43
mvogrrrrr python grrr09:43
seb128$ dpkg -l bzrtools | grep ^ii09:43
seb128ii  bzrtools09:43
seb128current version yes09:43
mvoheh :)09:43
seb128hate hate python09:43
mvomaybe its yet anohter python crazyness09:43
mvowhat does ls -l /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-package/bzrtools show?09:44
seb128$ ls -l /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-package/bzrtools09:44
seb128ls: cannot access /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-package/bzrtools: No such file or directory09:44
mvohm09:44
mvotry bzrlib ?09:45
seb128that works09:45
mvoand there plugins (in that09:45
seb128$ python -c "import bzrlib"09:45
mvois there a dir for bzrtools ?09:45
seb128$09:45
seb128doh, typo in your line09:45
mvooh, sorry09:45
seb128no bzrtools dir09:46
seb128are you interested to debug that or should I just reinstall the package?09:46
seb128I guess that will fix it09:46
mvoseb128: a moment of debugging would be nice09:47
mvoseb128: what is the output of dpkg -L bzrtools ? could you pastebin that?09:47
seb128$ ls /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/bzr*09:48
seb128ls: cannot access /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/bzr*: No such file or directory09:48
mvols -l /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins09:48
mvowoah09:48
seb128$ dpkg -L bzrtools | grep pyshared | grep bzrtools09:48
seb128/usr/share/pyshared/bzrlib/plugins/bzrtools09:48
seb128...09:48
mvoso python did not create the symlinks for you09:48
seb128I did clean python2.4 yesterday09:49
seb128and he did a bunch of "refreshing symlinks" round09:49
seb128he -> it09:49
seb128I'm wondering if that broke those09:49
mvoheh09:49
mvocould you check /var/log/apt/term.log ?09:49
seb128clean = sudo apt-get autoremove09:49
mvothat would be fun indeed09:49
seb128Unlinking and removing bytecode for runtime python2.409:50
seb128...09:50
seb128    bzrtools: >= 2.4 (['install', 'ok', 'installed'])09:50
seb128but not details09:50
mvolet me try it here09:51
mvojust go ahead with the reinstall, but it might be worthwhile to report a bug09:51
mvoI don't think you are the only one who will run into it09:52
seb128mvo: I don't really need it right now so I can keep it broken for the day09:52
mvoI think I found the problem now, if there is a version installed with Python-version, pycentral is unable to recover *ever* it seems10:03
seb128what?10:03
mvoand bonus points for dpkg --remove --force-all python-ropemacs not work too10:03
seb128mvo: you get the bug too?10:03
mvothis is a different one10:03
mvowith python-ropemacs10:03
mvothat fails to install/remove everything for me10:04
crevetteseb128, if you update gnome-icon-theme, it seems there is a bug where the spinner name has changed, and may broke for application using it10:04
seb128crevette: I'm not main is frozen for alpha6 mostly now10:04
mvobut like i said, not just "fail", break everything forever10:04
seb128urg10:04
crevette:)10:05
seb128mvo: if you open a bug can you give me the number please10:05
seb128crevette: can you let dobey know so it's fixed for 2.26?10:05
crevettewe're still investagating on #gnomefr :)10:05
mvoseb128: its a different one from what you have10:05
seb128mvo: ok10:05
mvoits even better, the package can not even be upgraded to a fixed version10:14
seb128...10:14
crevetteseb128, about the g-icon-theme problem, the bug was on nemiver code11:03
seb128crevette: ok good11:04
* kenvandine waves12:06
pochu+if (strcmp ((char*)c->data, "actions")) {12:29
pochu+supports_actions = TRUE;12:29
pochuI think I missed an "!" in that if...12:29
pochuI was getting crazy as to why Liferea keeped showing those weird dialogs :)12:29
kenvandine_wkpochu: hehe12:35
kenvandine_wkbryce: i see your intel driver build failed in  your ppa12:35
kenvandine_wkbryce: no rush... but is that something you are going to fix soon?12:36
pochukenvandine_wk: btw slangasek has told me he doesn't things this changes need UI exceptions FWIW12:36
* kenvandine_wk is trying to decide if he wants to edit his xorg.conf or not :)12:36
kenvandine_wkpochu: ok12:36
pochukenvandine_wk: it was exactly that, works fine now :)12:40
pochuseb128, asac: hi, could you have a look at my liferea update? The new upstream release is bugfix-only, it works fine here, and the notifications patch seems to DTRT :) http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/liferea_1.4.26-0ubuntu1.dsc12:45
asacpochu: i can look after lunch. waiting for someone to pick me up so not sure yet when that will be (hopefully soon ;))12:47
* kenvandine_wk is happy that his new laptop is much faster than his desktop :)12:48
* kenvandine_wk hugs the t400!12:48
pochuasac: no hurry, thanks!12:50
asacpochu: why didnt upstream include the patch?12:50
pochuasac: it's in trunk only12:50
asacpochu: k12:51
kenvandine_wkseb128: ping13:04
seb128kenvandine_wk: hi13:04
kenvandine_wkhey13:04
kenvandine_wkso libgda4.0, there are symbols removed without versioned sonames13:05
kenvandine_wkjust for the providers13:05
kenvandine_wk-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 146480 2009-03-10 16:11 libgda-mysql.so13:05
kenvandine_wk-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 204020 2009-03-10 16:11 libgda-postgres.so13:05
kenvandine_wk-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0   5352 2009-03-10 16:11 libgda-sqlite.so13:05
seb128where are those installed?13:06
seb128if they are not public libraries that's ok13:06
kenvandine_wk /usr/lib/libgda-4.0/providers/13:06
seb128ok, not an issue, they do what they want with their private code13:07
kenvandine_wkokie dokie13:07
seb128good that you are checking for such changes though ;-)13:07
kenvandine_wk:)13:07
* kenvandine_wk attaches a diff13:07
slomodidrocks: if you merge gst-plugins-bad you also want to get http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57400913:07
ubottuGnome bug 574009 in gst-plugins-bad "[mpegpsdemux] seeking broken for streams that don't start with timestamp 0" [Blocker,Resolved: fixed]13:07
slomoseb128: you also might want to sync gnonlin :)13:07
seb128slomo: thanks13:08
kenvandine_wkseb128: what's the easiest way to see if something comes from main or universe?13:10
kenvandine_wkor from some ppa for that matter13:10
seb128kenvandine_wk: locally?13:11
kenvandine_wkyeah13:11
seb128kenvandine_wk: apt-cache madison source or apt-cache policy source13:11
seb128ups binary in the second case13:11
kenvandine_wkah13:12
kenvandine_wkok13:12
kenvandine_wkthx13:12
seb128you're welcome13:13
kenvandine_wkanyone know what the proper behavior is for the gnomecompat compiz plugin?13:13
kenvandine_wkit looks like it just implements some similar behavior13:14
kenvandine_wkbut stores it's own keybindings and such13:14
kenvandine_wkas opposed to just reading the gnome gconf settings13:14
kenvandine_wkwhich seems sub-optimal13:14
seb128hey rickspencer313:16
kenvandine_wkmorning rickspencer3!13:16
seb128kenvandine_wk: mvo is the one who probably knows best about that13:16
seb128or Amaranth13:16
kenvandine_wkmvo: ping13:16
didrocksslomo: thanks, noted. I will do it this evening :)13:16
* kenvandine_wk goes to refill the coffee... this time change is kicking my butt13:17
mvokenvandine_wk: pong13:17
rickspencer3seb128: kenvandine_wk: mvo: good morning!13:17
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: do you have virtualization set up on your desktop?13:18
mvohey rickspencer313:18
rickspencer3mvo: seb128: if kenvandine_wk sets up a VM with with Jaunty, can he use that to test various permutations of your upgrade script for notify-osd/indicator-applet?13:19
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: i can now that i have my new laptop :)13:19
didrocksslomo: I will also try to get the harvest low hanging fruits, if applicable13:19
kenvandine_wkmvo: read back for my question about the gnomecompat compiz plugin please13:20
* kenvandine_wk cries over an empty coffee pot13:20
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: get some more coffee, you may need it13:20
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: gonna be a rough day?13:20
kenvandine_wkhehe :)13:20
seb128rickspencer3: I guess he could yes but that would tedious work, ie having to get the old version, do random config, upgrade, clean everything back and try other combinaisons13:20
mvokenvandine_wk: it should sync the settings back and forth13:21
kenvandine_wkmvo: oh  so it should read the settings from gnome?13:21
kenvandine_wkok, that isn't working then :)13:21
kenvandine_wkseb128: not hard... just need to give me some use cases to test :)13:22
rickspencer3seb128: is there a better way to test it?13:22
mvokenvandine_wk: but the plugin is enabled?13:22
kenvandine_wk"screw it up this way" and update13:22
kenvandine_wkmvo: yes13:22
seb128rickspencer3: push it early and wait for users to complain if it breaks? ;-)13:22
kenvandine_wkif i change the settings in the keyboard shortcuts, the plugin doesn't get them13:22
rickspencer3with a VM, he could take snapshots, so it's trivial to get back to a known state13:22
rickspencer3seb128: hmmm13:22
seb128rickspencer3: that's only a gnome-panel layout if it's messed up on upgrade for beta users that no big deal imho13:22
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: i think we can test it a little before pushing it :)13:22
mvowhere is the upgrade script currently living?13:23
seb128mvo: gnome-panel13:23
rickspencer3ok ... I'm putting it out there as an option13:23
mvoand you guys take care of it?13:23
rickspencer3but I would like to see some testing if it's feasible (don't know what else kenvandine_wk is booked in for)13:23
seb128mvo: I took over the task and said I would work on that with you today13:23
mvoheh :)13:23
seb128mvo: morning has been busy but see query13:23
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: the keyboard shortcuts with compiz and the s-c-p patch making it upstreamable...13:24
kenvandine_wkare the main things13:24
mvoseb128: ok, we can work on it in a bit, need to finish some other stuff first13:24
seb128mvo: thanks13:24
kenvandine_wki also need to fix a build for intrepid for the OLS guys13:24
seb128then we can organize for testing13:24
kenvandine_wkmvo: mind taking a quick look at the gnomecompat plugin to see if you can figure out what broke?13:25
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: most of the time involved with that kind of testing is the setup time... which is mostly idle13:27
kenvandine_wkso i can be working on other things too13:27
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: it's actually pretty handy to a VM set up anyway13:28
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: i am big on VMs :)13:28
kenvandine_wkone of the reasons i wanted this new laptop :)13:28
rickspencer3also, I was hoping that maybe you could look ensuring the the indicator-applet works in various permutations and log bugs where it does not13:29
kenvandine_wkneeded a box with VT support :)13:29
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: i have already logged some bugs there :)13:29
kenvandine_wkunrelated question... on a fresh install, what should i have to do to get the codecs needed for mp3?13:31
kenvandine_wkon my last install i don't recall doing anything...13:31
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: seb128: pitti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/JauntyIndictorAppletTestCases13:31
kenvandine_wkso figured we had some codec buddy kind of thing13:31
seb128rickspencer3: thanks13:31
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: ubuntu-restricted-extras13:31
sorenkenvandine_wk: We used to have something pop up and tell you that you needed extra stuff to do it.13:32
seb128kenvandine_wk: double click on a mp3, totem is started and should ask if you want to install whatever is required13:32
sorenkenvandine_wk: ...in totem, at least.13:32
kenvandine_wkseb128: i just tried that13:32
kenvandine_wkgot an error playing stream13:32
kenvandine_wkdidn't trigger anything13:32
* kenvandine_wk found a bug i guess13:32
seb128kenvandine_wk: anything printed on the command line?13:33
kenvandine** Message: Error: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument13:33
kenvandinepulsesink.c(836): gst_pulsesink_prepare (): /GstPlayBin:play/GstBin:visbin/GstBin:abin/GstBin:audiosinkbin/GstGConfAudioSink:audio-sink/GstBin:bin5/GstAutoAudioSink:autoaudiosink1/GstPulseSink:autoaudiosink1-actual-sink-pulse13:33
seb128that seems a pulseaudio issue and not a codec one13:34
seb128are you sure you lack the codecs?13:34
kenvandineno i am not13:34
mvokenvandine: if you want to diagnose gnomecompat,that is fine with me :)13:34
kenvandinejust installed this thing :)13:34
seb128kenvandine: is pulseaudio running?13:34
kenvandineyes13:34
seb128hum13:35
seb128can you paplay /usr/share/sounds/question.wav?13:35
kenvandinethis is interesting... the login sound played when i logged in13:36
kenvandinebut13:36
kenvandinecanberra-gtk-play -i desktop-login13:36
kenvandineALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:626:(pulse_prepare) PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Invalid argument13:36
kenvandineFailed to play sound: IO error13:36
seb128iz pulse bog13:36
kenvandineALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:626:(pulse_prepare) PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Invalid argument13:36
kenvandineyeah13:36
kenvandinedefinately pulse13:36
kenvandinei got that from paplay13:36
seb128try restarting pulse and see what happens13:37
kenvandineok13:37
kenvandinecan i just HUP it?13:37
kenvandineok13:38
kenvandinethat worked13:38
* kenvandine guesses there is no way to find out how it got in that statu13:38
kenvandinestate13:38
seb128wait and see if that happens again13:38
kenvandinewill do13:39
rippsDoes anybody know where I can get some documentation on the Gnome dbus multimedia keys framework?13:51
mvo_seb128, hi, sorry. nm killed my network13:55
mvo_seb128, I have the migration stuff in front of me now, what exactly needs to be done?13:55
mvo_just adding the indicator applet? if so, where?13:55
seb128mvo_: re13:56
seb128mvo_: next to the notification area if I understood those guys correctly13:56
seb128pitti: ^ can confirm that?13:56
seb128davidbarth: ^ or you?13:57
seb128mvo_: bug #34077713:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 340777 in gnome-panel "Panel should add the messaging indicator for users upgrading" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34077713:57
kenvandine_wkseb128: it is just to the right of the notification area on this clean install13:57
seb128mvo_:13:58
seb128"It should be inserted at the end of the applet stack as much as possible and aligned right. So, it should appear slightly to the left of the notification area. This isn't the default placement with a clean install, but it should make the insertion MUCH easier and has been deemed good for putting it on the panel."13:58
* dobey wonders why the message indicator isn't just a notification area icon anyway :)13:59
seb128dobey: their design has no notification area I think14:00
seb128dobey: ie they are getting ride of it not adding new icons to it14:00
dobeynm-applet and gnome-power-manager are being replaced?14:05
rippsC'mon, does anybody know how to make a plugin that uses gnome multimedia keys?14:05
seb128dobey: not this cycle but they plan to rewrite a panel and might have different indicators for those14:07
dobeyoh you mean gnome-shell, or something else?14:08
seb128dobey: I don't know the details of their plan, just somebody mentionned that they want less icons in the notification area over time and not add new ones there14:09
dobey*shrug*14:09
* vuntz wonders who is "they"14:10
seb128vuntz: the canonical dxteam14:10
dobeyvuntz: well it's apparently not a superset of 'me'14:10
vuntzseb128: so they plan to rewrite a panel. No joke?14:11
seb128vuntz: not sure what the plan are but I understood from the boston submit previous year that the gnome-shell etc idea was that no?14:11
mvo_rewriting seems to be en-vouge currently14:11
vuntzseb128: if it's gnome-shell, then okay. I was just afraid that it'd be something else14:12
* mvo_ should rewrite something too14:12
seb128ok good ;-)14:12
vuntzmvo_: apt?14:12
seb128mvo_: update-manager in C? ;-)14:12
mvo_heh :)14:12
mvo_seb128, hm, I guess we need to keep the migrate fusa stuff around too because of lts->lts upagrdes?14:15
mvo_maybe we should just fold it into that ...14:15
seb128mvo_: yes14:17
seb128pitti: do you think we could speed up the proposed to updates delay for pidgin?14:26
pittiseb128: yes, absolutely14:29
seb128slomo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23748365/heineken_commercial.wmv not playing at the right speed do you know if that's a known bug?14:29
pittiseb128: got a call now, TTYL14:29
seb128slomo: ie if there is something about that in bugzilla, not easy to figure to what other bug that can correspond14:29
seb128pitti: ok, see you14:29
slomoseb128: works here14:30
seb128slomo: using debian versions or trunk?14:31
slomoseb128: debian versions and trunk14:31
slomohow fast does it play? is it only very slightly faster/slower?14:32
seb128slomo: bah, on the first try it looked twice the speed and now it works ...14:32
seb128slomo: ok, seems to be a totem buffering issue or something14:34
seb128slomo: I played from the website directly first time and it buffered for some seconds and played very fast the start of the video then14:34
slomoprobably... i saw this for other files too when it has to buffer a lot in the beginning14:35
slomobut that's a gst bug then, no totem bug14:35
seb128slomo: right, "gst-launch playbin uri=http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23748365/heineken_commercial.wmv" behaves the same way14:36
mvo_asac, haha, n-m shows me a wirless network indicator in my kvm virtual machine. that is cute .) is that a known issue?14:43
asacmvo_: lol14:43
mvo_asac, signal strengh is zero (unsuprissingly)14:43
asacmvo_: see -devel-discuss thread14:44
asacmvo_: dx team found its much more intuitive to use that for no connnection14:44
seb128mvo_: design team decided that not connected == signal 014:44
asacmvo_: so they updated the human theme14:44
asacmvo_: just use a different theme ;)14:44
asaci dont have this problem because i dont even have gnome-settings-daemon running to do font stuff ;)14:44
seb128I found it pretty confusing too14:45
mvo_really?14:45
mvo_thats a joke?14:45
asacmvo_: no.14:45
seb128mvo_: no, read the list discussion14:45
mvo_lol14:45
asacmvo_: thats what was found by dx folks14:45
asacmvo_: they said its clear for users: no signal == no connection14:45
seb128that's what you get when you let designer decide on technical things I guess ;-)14:45
asaci tried to prevent that since this idea came up14:46
mvo_geh, its better and better14:46
asacbut they say it works on Mac OSX  .... even though i am not sure why they think that our previous icon doesnt work ;)14:46
seb128mvo_: they somewhat agreed that adding a red cross on the icon could make sense after the discussion on the list though14:46
seb128so let's see14:46
mvo_I see. if it is used on macosx it must be perfect14:46
asacactually i know how this started, but i wont go in details here14:46
seb128mvo_: ;-)14:46
asacmvo_: read the thread and comment14:46
seb128mvo_: we have never used macOS so we can't understand I guess14:47
asaci suggested to skip this step, and do the right solution instead of having a confusing icon for a full cycle14:47
asaci would be fine if this would be a final solution. but they agreed that there are better solutions, so i dont understand why its still done ;)14:47
mvo_so this is not what we will release?14:48
mvo_or is the plan to fix it in jaunty+1?14:48
asacmvo_: we will releasae and (i hope) agree on the better solution i suggested for karmic14:48
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asacunless i find time and do a heroic act of doing the right solution this cycle i guess ;)14:49
seb128mvo: they agreed to add a red cross on the 0 signal icon I think14:50
mvoaha, ok14:50
mvothat would make it better (also at least to me it would still be confusing, but less so)14:50
asacyeah red cross is better.14:51
pittikenvandine_wk: hey, good morning15:03
kenvandine_wkhey pitti15:03
allquixoticCan anyone hug a desktop-related bug me for please? I know it's not hug day, and this isn't the target of the next hug day, but it's a crasher bug in a popular app :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/34115515:04
ubottuUbuntu bug 341155 in pidgin "Pidgin 2.5.5 crashes with Yahoo buddies on MSN" [Undecided,New]15:04
seb128allquixotic: not a lot to do right now, the bug is not closed upstream yet15:05
pittiseb128: okay, we have several thumbs-up for pidgin, I copy now15:06
* seb128 hugs pitti15:07
allquixoticseb128: True, we don't have the "real" fix, but we have a hotfix that fixes the crasher -- I get a few warning messages on Pidgin startup, but they aren't recurring. I think that beats a crasher. I'm not saying "commit the hotfix now!" but as a contingency -- worst case, Pidgin devs do nothing -- do we ship the code as-is in Jaunty, or would it be possible to commit the hotfix in that case?15:09
seb128allquixotic: we have time to wait for a proper fix, there is over a month before jaunty15:11
allquixoticseb128: True. I have no reason to believe upstream won't fix it in a month. I'll resurrect this issue if it's *not* fixed in a month, though :)15:13
seb128slomo: any idea what to ask on bug #330165?15:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 330165 in ffmpeg-debian "totem-plugin-viewer crashed with SIGSEGV in realloc()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33016515:26
seb128slomo: and does http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23755516/PattieMaes_2009.mp4 play at normal speed for you?15:34
seb128slomo: sorry for all the questions today, trying to clean a bit all those gst bugs to see what needs to be done before jaunty ;-)15:35
slomoplays at normal speed, yes15:35
* kenvandine_wk -> lunch15:35
seb128slomo: using debian versions too? this mp4 plays way too slowly there15:36
nick_can someone point me towards a good reference on how udev-dbus-hald work in Ubuntu?15:36
seb128same issue using gst-launch playbin uri=15:36
slomoseb128: the realloc() thing was fixed by his restart, the wmv3_vdpau part is fixed in gst-ffmpeg git15:37
seb128nick_: as in any other distro?15:37
nick_distro agnostic i suppose15:37
seb128slomo: the git change will land to debian in the next month? ;-)15:37
seb128nick_: www.google.com, type dbus?15:37
slomoseb128: yes, friday or saturday :)15:38
seb128slomo: excellent thanks!15:38
slomoseb128: and that mp4 video plays fine using the debian versions15:38
seb128slomo: grum, weird, maybe that's the syncs from this morning, I didn't install that yet, thanks anyway15:38
lapois there a jaunty lpia iso somewhere?15:52
calcrickspencer3: my new patch works! :-)15:55
calcrickspencer3: so i need to beat on it a bit and then upload it after alpha 6 release15:56
* rickspencer3 ^5 calc15:56
nick_seb128: i thought maybe Ubuntu had something in the dev section on it15:57
nick_seb128: that doesn't get crawled by google.com15:57
seb128nick_: no15:57
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calcrickspencer3-mtg: it fails to write to gvfs fuse ftp but that may just be a bug in gvfs fuse, i will track it down after i am done working with pitti on the java MIR bug16:07
calcactually i'm 99% certain it is a gvfs fuse bug since well i'm using gvfs as a regular fs now16:07
calcso its either a bug that should be fixed in gvfs or a workaround needed in OOo if it is impossible to fix the bug in gvfs16:07
calcsome gvfs backends can't support certain posix features due to being not real filesystems16:08
* calc just had a huge amount of stress lifted now that saving to network shares works again :)16:08
dobeycalc: it could just be a bug in the ftp server too :)16:09
mvowhy is the second counter thing back when I click on logout in jaunty? I liked the previous solution that said 60sec - 50 sec etc16:14
calcdobey: possibly, yea16:15
calcdobey: but there were bugs that i just had fixed in gvfs in the past couple weeks16:15
* calc bets on it being a bug that can be fixed in gvfs fuse layer16:16
calcccheney@x200:~/.gvfs/ftp as cheney on cheney.ws$ touch foo16:18
calctouch: cannot touch `foo': No such file or directory16:18
calcso it looks like it is below the OOo layer anyway16:18
calcccheney@x200:~/.gvfs/ftp as cheney on cheney.ws$ ls -l foo16:18
calc-rwx------ 1 ccheney ccheney 0 2009-03-11 13:17 foo16:18
calcso it did create foo but didn't determine that it did16:18
calcso returned an error instead16:18
calcit seems it might be timeout related16:19
calcif you "ls -l foo" right after touch it isn't there but if you wait a second it is16:19
calcits a bug in the ftp caching in gvfs16:42
seb128calc: I've been unsetting the milestone for you openoffice shared-mime-info bugs16:48
seb128calc: openoffice 2007 formats are mostly recognized now16:48
ubottuOpenOffice.org bug 2007 in Word processor "Should be able to read AbiWord files." [Feature,Closed: wontfix] http://openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=200716:48
seb128you have some corner case in the zillion of example in your tars which are still buggy though16:48
seb128but I think it's low importance16:48
calcseb128: ok thats fine16:52
kenvandine_wkmvo: is this update script ready to be tested?16:56
mvokenvandine_wk: the one I attached to the bugreport? that can be tested, its just not integrated with the package yet, I was waiting for feedback if it should be folded into the fusa script or not16:57
mvothat depends on the plans for the next lts of the dx team16:57
kenvandine_wkmvo: ok, what bug is it again?16:57
mvobut it should be fine for running it by hand16:57
mvogive me a sec16:58
kenvandine_wkok16:58
mvoI have it open *somewhere*16:58
* mvo needs more brains16:58
* kenvandine_wk needs a tab limit on firefox :)16:58
mvobug #34077716:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 340777 in gnome-panel "Panel should add the messaging indicator for users upgrading" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34077716:59
kenvandine_wkwould keep the insanity level down16:59
kenvandine_wkthx16:59
* kenvandine_wk opens another tab :)16:59
mvoright now, I just have ~100 open, that used to be ~350 :)16:59
kenvandine_wkmvo: did the right thing for me... in one test case :)17:01
* kenvandine_wk will do it in a VM17:01
* calc wonders if he can find a way to test the rest of the gvfs backends via fuse so he can beat on them as well17:15
davidbarthpitti: hi, btw, for the MI testcases, i think we should put that on the testcases wiki made by the QA team, ok?18:05
pittidavidbarth: sure, please feel free to move the wiki page18:06
davidbarthpitti: there is already a wiki page for that?18:06
pittidavidbarth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/JauntyIndicatorAppletTestCases18:06
pittidavidbarth: it didn't address my comments yet, though (reply to rickspencer3-mtg's mail)18:06
asachmm. just added the indicator applet to my panel; interestingly enough it now reads "No indicators" ;) ... sounds confusing18:32
* asac starts pidgin18:33
asacstill "No indicators"18:35
kenvandine_wkasac: hey... i have seen that too, but only on foresight18:45
kenvandine_wkhaven't had time to try to figure out why18:46
kenvandine_wkbut i guess if it is happening on jaunty, it should be filed as a bug18:46
asachmm18:47
asaci thought its because i never used any app that has libindicate support18:47
asaci will ask ted when he is back18:47
kenvandine_wkyeah... it happens with both evo and pidgin running18:47
kenvandine_wkbut i have only seen it happen on my wife's foresight laptop :)18:48
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kenvandine_wkasac: if she will let me use her laptop tonight, i will try to debug it there :)18:48
asackenvandine_wk: i now installed "indicator-messages"18:49
asacafter adding indicator applet again to panel its just empty ;)18:49
asaclet me start pidgin again ;)18:49
kenvandine_wkoh18:49
kenvandine_wkhumm18:49
asacheh18:50
asacyeah it works18:50
asacnow i have a "letter" displayed there18:50
asaceven even though i dont have any event18:50
asaccool ... now i have an applet that allows me to pop up pidgin ;)18:51
kenvandine_wkthat is what you should get18:51
asacso same functions as the tray thing. let me see if i can get an event from somewhere18:52
asacgood18:52
asacfirst message popped up the chat window ... which is annoying, but probably a pidgin setting18:52
asacsecond message indiciated that there are new messages in panel18:53
asackenvandine_wk: can you send a /msg to asac_the_2nd ?18:53
asackenvandine_wk: one more please18:54
asac(first messagte seems not to work)18:54
asacok cool18:54
asacthanks18:54
kenvandine:)18:54
kenvandinesome messages seem to go to /dev/null18:54
kenvandinei have a bug open about that18:54
kenvandineted is looking at it18:54
asaci think its the first message that triggers a new chat window/tab18:54
kenvandineit is18:55
asacat least that is reproducible18:55
kenvandinethat is a pidgin setting18:55
asacto not notify about first message?18:55
kenvandineno18:55
kenvandineto open that window18:56
kenvandineyou don't get it in the indicator if it opens18:56
asackenvandine_wk: yeah. still it should notify i guess because it opens in background18:56
kenvandinei think that default should be changed18:56
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asachmm. a python binding for libindicate would be useful now i guess ;)19:30
kenvandine_wkasac: ted is working on it :)19:31
dobeysomeone should update tango-icon-theme in jaunty ;)19:41
dobeyprobably in debian too i guess19:41
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nrghow do i disable nautilus from launching on usb mass storage insertion20:30
seb128bryce: hey21:46
seb128bryce; about bug #67188, Sergey who wrote comment #62 is upstream for libxklavier libgnomekbd and the gnome keyboard capplets21:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 67188 in mactel-support ""Error activating XKB configuration." - Requires manual xorg.conf editing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6718821:47
seb128bryce: I would advice trying what he asked there21:47
davmor2ah seb128: you might know.  On freesoftware only should jockey offer to install Nvidia binary driver?21:47
seb128davmor2: no clue, dunno what "freesoftware only" is and I've no nvidia boxes nor use jockey21:48
davmor2seb128: thanks :)21:48
seb128you're welcome ;-)21:48
seb128ask pitti tomorrow I would say21:48
davmor2seb128: that was my next resort :)21:48

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