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| liw | yo yo, hula ring, and other greetings | 15:57 |
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| mvo | hello | 15:58 |
| robbiew | waaaaazzzz uuuuuup! :P | 15:59 |
| TheMuso | Hey folks. | 15:59 |
| evand | hi | 16:00 |
| robbiew | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is robbiew. | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
| slangasek | hi | 16:01 |
| * robbiew waits for others | 16:02 | |
| robbiew | mvo: cjwatson: liw: Keybuk: ready to go? | 16:02 |
| Keybuk | ready | 16:02 |
| mvo | yes | 16:02 |
| liw | robbiew, sure | 16:02 |
| robbiew | james_w: are you awake...in Brisbane, right? | 16:02 |
| Keybuk | just turn off those 5 red lights and I'm off | 16:03 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:03 |
| * liw censors bad joke | 16:03 | |
| TheMuso | It would actually be an hour earlier for james_w than it is for me. | 16:03 |
| TheMuso | So 2 AM. | 16:03 |
| robbiew | ouch | 16:04 |
| robbiew | ok...let's get started | 16:04 |
| robbiew | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/0311#Agenda | 16:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/0311#Agenda | 16:04 |
| robbiew | so Alpha 6 is tomorrow...whoohoo :D | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | sorry I'm late; my stepson left his cello in school which slowed the normal flow of events | 16:04 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:05 |
| robbiew | now worries, just started | 16:05 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Jaunty Alpha 6 | 16:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Jaunty Alpha 6 | 16:05 |
| robbiew | so are those 4 bugs supposed to be fixed by tomorrow?...or pushed to Beta | 16:05 |
| slangasek | the gnome-keyring one was targeted courtesy of the mobile team, and is assigned to one of their guys; I'll follow up on that | 16:06 |
| robbiew | ok | 16:06 |
| slangasek | since it's only been reported on ARM, we wouldn't need any rebuilds to get it "fixed" for alpha-6 | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | I meant to put bug 337306 off until beta, since my first attempt to fix it failed and I haven't had a chance to revisit; done now | 16:07 |
| slangasek | ok, thansk | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 337306 in oem-config "oem-config task selection doesn't work with debconf-using packages" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337306 | 16:07 |
| robbiew | well...none of the bugs seem to bad to me...moving on | 16:07 |
| robbiew | well...100% CPU is a little nasty :P | 16:08 |
| robbiew | skipping Feature Status update...I think we're fine there | 16:08 |
| robbiew | 91 bugs targeted for Jaunty | 16:09 |
| robbiew | no critical...that's nice | 16:09 |
| robbiew | hi doko :) | 16:10 |
| doko | sorry, a bit late (and I have to leave in a few minutes :-/ | 16:10 |
| robbiew | anyway...wanted to highlight the bug fixes report | 16:10 |
| robbiew | doko: no worries | 16:10 |
| robbiew | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/jaunty-fixes-report.html | 16:11 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/jaunty-fixes-report.html | 16:11 |
| robbiew | has everyone..or anyone...seen this? | 16:11 |
| slangasek | yes | 16:11 |
| Keybuk | no | 16:11 |
| robbiew | it's interesting...even has a "scoreboard" at the bottom | 16:12 |
| Keybuk | seb is not winning! | 16:12 |
| robbiew | though I don't really care about who fixes the most...as there's no way to measure difficulty | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | I'm looking through the jaunty bugs and giving some more of them priorities | 16:12 |
| robbiew | or complexity of the resolution | 16:12 |
| robbiew | ok | 16:12 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: ^ | 16:13 |
| robbiew | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/ubuntu-foundations-jaunty-fixes-report.html | 16:13 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/ubuntu-foundations-jaunty-fixes-report.html | 16:13 |
| robbiew | gives a view of the team | 16:13 |
| doko | have to look at the ca-certificates-java bugs, but I think most of these are already fixed | 16:13 |
| robbiew | though poor liw is not represented...more incentive for upload rights | 16:14 |
| robbiew | ;) | 16:14 |
| * liw hangs head in shame | 16:14 | |
| robbiew | liw: all that means is someone is stealing your thunder :P | 16:14 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Team Buglist | 16:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Team Buglist | 16:15 |
| robbiew | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/ubuntu-foundations-assigned-bug-tasks.html | 16:15 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/ubuntu-foundations-assigned-bug-tasks.html | 16:15 |
| robbiew | so the QA team has taken the time to document a workflow, for handling these bugs | 16:16 |
| robbiew | http://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/QA/BugFixing/TeamAssigned | 16:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/QA/BugFixing/TeamAssigned | 16:16 |
| robbiew | I'd like to stress the use of the "ct-rev" tag | 16:17 |
| Keybuk | I'm a little worried about the possibility that the assignment field is going to become a firehose | 16:17 |
| robbiew | "If the team decides that it cannot realistically take responsibility for a given bug it should be assigned to Nobody (or a suitable community team) and the 'ct-rev' tag should be added" | 16:17 |
| * ScottK grumbles about 'assignment to a suitable community team' again. | 16:17 | |
| robbiew | heh | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | I have a sort of general concern about the workflow | 16:17 |
| * robbiew is all for "Nobody" | 16:17 | |
| cjwatson | I think once a bug is Triaged then it ought to belong to developers to organise, not QA | 16:18 |
| Keybuk | for me, the problem is that there are a lot of bugs which I'm the best person to deal with | 16:18 |
| Keybuk | and most of them are on packages which I'm also the best person to deal with | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | unless it is a customer priority or other major case requiring escalation | 16:18 |
| Keybuk | and I tend to watch those packages | 16:18 |
| Keybuk | so I already know about the bugs | 16:18 |
| liw | Keybuk, we need to clone you, you're a SPOF | 16:18 |
| Keybuk | and I use the assignment field to actually note which bugs I'm actively working on | 16:18 |
| Keybuk | if all those bugs get assigned to me, I can't do that anymore | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | it means as a developer, there is little left in Launchpad to help *me* manage my workflow | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | all of the Launchpad bells, whistles and nobs have been taken over by QA | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | and sidelined us | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | I share this concern | 16:19 |
| * doko is leaving now (worked from Daniel's place today, broken DSL). not sure if I will be online tonight | 16:19 | |
| Keybuk | if everything is assigned to me | 16:19 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: Keybuk: would it be easier to assign to the Foundations Team | 16:20 |
| Keybuk | and everything is in the Triaged state | 16:20 |
| Keybuk | and the Importance is mandated already | 16:20 |
| Keybuk | how do I manage my own todo list in LP? | 16:20 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: you don't use 'in progress' to denote bugs you're working on? | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | robbiew: I'd rather it be left unassigned, and that the Triaged state should be the responsibility of developers | 16:20 |
| mvo | post-it notes | 16:20 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: I use In Progress to mean I have at least a partial fix | 16:20 |
| Keybuk | but that doesn't help with sorting | 16:20 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: which developers? those watching the package? | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | there is a sort of general assumption here that all bugs must be on track to be fixed in some kind of reasonably near-term timescale | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | which is entirely fair for important bugs | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | but I'm concerned that it leaves us with a hell of a lot of paperwork to do for bugs that just aren't that important | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | but that shouldn't be expired | 16:21 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: understand | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | actually, I think I can articulate this more clearly | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | there is a state not encapsulated in that document, which is "Canonical should spend time fixing this, but not in the near future" | 16:22 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: good point | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | if we implement that by assigning bugs anywhere (be it the foundations team or an individual developer), then (a) that clutters our lists (b) it discourages contributors from working on it | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | but, according to that document, ct-rev + assignment to Nobody means that we aren't interested | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | which isn't right | 16:23 |
| robbiew | well...I think it means we (Canonical) won't fix due to resources...but would still like it resolved | 16:24 |
| Keybuk | right | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | well, look at lots of the qa-jaunty-foundations bugs | 16:24 |
| Keybuk | and what Colin's saying is that there's another state | 16:24 |
| robbiew | got it | 16:24 |
| robbiew | bugs we want to fix, but not right now | 16:24 |
| Keybuk | that we (Canonical) won't fix it _right_now_ due to resources...but would still like it resolved...and may have the resources later | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | plenty of them are really old, and for the last half-dozen releases they've been in a "Canonical would like to fix this, but not yet" state | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | I don't think we can change this by fiat, obviously, but should raise the concern with QA | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | also, the page indicates that Triaged bugs may be re-triaged ("Mark as invalid, wontfix, incomplete, as a dupe, etc. i.e. triage it better") | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | I would like to strongly object to this | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | once it is Triaged, I find that further involvement by bug triage teams tends to be a net loss for me | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | (cf. my recent blog post) | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | a *developer* might choose to re-triage it if the triage was wrong, but I think this should be left to developers looking at the bug | 16:26 |
| robbiew | agreed | 16:26 |
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| cjwatson | that said, I don't object at all to the QA team having a process that helps them assess Triaged bugs and flag ones that need urgent developer attention | 16:27 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: Keybuk: I think you raise valid points...and encourage you to feed it back to QA ;) | 16:28 |
| robbiew | fwiw, it's nice for me to be able to have something to help me gauge workload | 16:28 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: what is the process by which we do that? | 16:28 |
| robbiew | they are collecting "Feature" requests at the bottom of the page | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | robbiew: I'm guessing, but I suspect you're more interested in near-term workload than "things Colin wants to work on next year" ;-) | 16:29 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: heh, yes | 16:29 |
| robbiew | just for when those fire drill assignments pop up | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | and at the same time, I want to have a way to record things that I want to look at later, without getting in *your* way | 16:29 |
| robbiew | it's nice to know who I should and probably shouldn't ask | 16:30 |
| robbiew | understand | 16:30 |
| * robbiew likes mvo's post-it solution (j/k) | 16:30 | |
| * mvo is actually using it that for some (short-term) items | 16:30 | |
| Keybuk | robbiew: there isn't enough room on my desk for posties | 16:30 |
| Keybuk | too many netbooks | 16:30 |
| mvo | it has the nice property that you can then throw the postit away when its done, a good feeling :) | 16:31 |
| robbiew | Keybuk has a netbook cloud, tentatively called a "puff" | 16:31 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:31 |
| mvo | lol | 16:31 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Sponsoring Queue | 16:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Sponsoring Queue | 16:31 |
| robbiew | http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ | 16:31 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ | 16:31 |
| robbiew | it's there...we all know about it...some do more than others...enough said | 16:33 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Karmic UDS | 16:33 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Karmic UDS | 16:33 |
| * liw uses GTD for keeping track of bugs, outside LP | 16:33 | |
| robbiew | I've created a page for session suggestions | 16:34 |
| robbiew | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/UDS/May2009 | 16:34 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/UDS/May2009 | 16:34 |
| Keybuk | when a developer can no longer use the bug tracking system to keep track of bugs ... an EPIC FAIL has occurred | 16:34 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: +1 | 16:34 |
| * slangasek needs to find a way to keep track of session ideas over the course of a release cycle; I had several ideas for Karmic UDS and can't find them in my brain now | 16:35 | |
| liw | robbiew, should we add topics to that page, or discuss them with you first? | 16:35 |
| robbiew | liw: just add them | 16:35 |
| * liw hits slangasek with the GTD book | 16:35 | |
| robbiew | liw: I'm subscribed | 16:35 |
| liw | robbiew, ack | 16:35 |
| slangasek | liw: I'm alluding to a desire to have them tracked somewhere other than on my local system though :) | 16:36 |
| robbiew | slangasek: yeah...I kept a folder where I would put emails that had potential ideas | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | robbiew: I assume that it's unnecessary to add things for which we're having requirements calls? | 16:36 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: correct :D | 16:36 |
| liw | slangasek, I stick to my answer ;-) but I'll postpone GTD fanboyism until after the meeting | 16:36 |
| robbiew | I suppose we could for public consumption | 16:36 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: ^ | 16:37 |
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| cjwatson | probably good to start pushing 'em out | 16:37 |
| * robbiew will update | 16:38 | |
| robbiew | the last thing on my list is travel | 16:38 |
| robbiew | a note should be going out today or tomorrow from our lovely admin team | 16:38 |
| robbiew | the goal is to have all travel booked by end of March | 16:39 |
| robbiew | so just a heads up | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | for somehands/allhands/uds? | 16:39 |
| robbiew | yes...all three | 16:39 |
| Keybuk | does anybody know anybody who's going to this mysterious "somehands" ? | 16:39 |
| * robbiew is...and cjwatson | 16:39 | |
| slangasek | next thing you know they'll be adding jazzhands | 16:40 |
| Keybuk | followed by looknohands | 16:41 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | I assume I'm needed at somehands because I'm organising one of the allhands tracks | 16:41 |
| RainCT | lol | 16:41 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: no, it's because you get to live after the revolution | 16:41 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:41 |
| Keybuk | unless somehands is some heaven's gate-like event, in which case that statement would be entirely wrong | 16:42 |
| robbiew | somehands is just those management type topics that most others would be bored with...nothing special | 16:42 |
| robbiew | was a way to make sure we don't have a bunch of management meetings during Allhands | 16:43 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Good News/AOB | 16:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Good News/AOB | 16:43 |
| * robbiew noticed Keybuk got 25sec *with* compiz | 16:44 | |
| robbiew | whoohoo! | 16:44 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: you're spying on me! :p | 16:44 |
| mvo | I made some progress on the aufs based upgrade branch, I will post something to ubuntu-devel about it | 16:44 |
| cjwatson | I would say that I think we've finally fixed the installer races, except that IIRC that was my good news last week too | 16:44 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:44 |
| liw | I note that we must be getting close to a release. My laptop, which runs the current release, has started behaving erratically. It always does this at the end of an Ubuntu release. | 16:44 |
| * mvo did a successful upgrade of intrepid->jaunty on a aufs overlayed system, so everything was back to intrepid after the neext reboot | 16:44 | |
| cjwatson | ooh | 16:45 |
| evand | hot | 16:45 |
| slangasek | informal feedback this week is that Keybuk has sped up the boot to the point where it's faster to reboot a machine than to resume from hibernation | 16:45 |
| slangasek | oops :) | 16:45 |
| liw | slangasek, but I've had that for years :P | 16:45 |
| Keybuk | I've sped it up sufficiently that you stare at a blank screen and mouse cursor longer than you see usplash ;) | 16:45 |
| Keybuk | mvo: \o/ | 16:46 |
| mvo | Keybuk: out of curisoity, how much win was the protobuf stuff on the mini9? | 16:46 |
| Keybuk | mvo: about 3s, so a third of compiz's start time | 16:47 |
| mvo | cool! | 16:47 |
| Keybuk | evand: random question, and I'm sure you get this one a lot | 16:47 |
| Keybuk | evand: but I assume you have plans to fix the city locations in the u6y timezone map? | 16:47 |
| evand | Keybuk: yes, made some progress on that recently, but more is needed. | 16:47 |
| evand | London is currently sitting in the English channel. | 16:48 |
| Keybuk | oh, for me London is on an off-shore Oil Rig in the North Sea | 16:48 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:48 |
| robbiew | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:49. | 16:49 |
| Keybuk | it did briefly occur that there's a wonderful Lost-related easter egg waiting to happen with that map... | 16:49 |
| * robbiew gives you back 10min...enjoy! :P | 16:49 | |
| TheMuso | heh | 16:49 |
| TheMuso | and thanks | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | it's a map projection kind of issue. evand is busy committing stuff to ubiquity full of obscure floating-point arithmetic | 16:49 |
| liw | thanks | 16:49 |
| evand | :) | 16:49 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: indeed, it looked like the new map was Mercator to me? | 16:49 |
| Keybuk | which is a bitch to project onto :p | 16:49 |
| evand | Miller | 16:50 |
| cjwatson | Miller, I'm told | 16:50 |
| slangasek | thanks all :) | 16:50 |
| liw | evand, I will be curious to see if Helsinki has moved away from the radioactive coast of the Arctic ocean | 16:50 |
| evand | lol | 16:50 |
| cjwatson | evand: it actually reminded me slightly of the obfuscated perl raytracer I wrote some years back ;-) | 16:50 |
| evand | haha | 16:51 |
| Keybuk | The Miller cylindrical projection is a modified Mercator projection, proposed by Osborn Maitland Miller (1897-1979) in 1942. The parallels of latitude are scaled by a factor of 0.8, projected according to Mercator, and then the result is divided by 0.8 to retain scale along the equator. | 16:51 |
| Keybuk | eep | 16:51 |
| evand | yarp | 16:51 |
| mvo | sounds like fun :P | 16:52 |
| Keybuk | I assume you're accounting for the variance between the WGS 84 reference ellipsoid used by the GPS systems and the ... | 16:53 |
| evand | oh, of course! | 16:53 |
| * Keybuk had to learn all this stuff | 16:54 | |
| Keybuk | my brain dribbled out of my ears | 16:54 |
| evand | hahaha | 16:54 |
| Keybuk | but it turns out that knowing that the GPS system altitude is based on a fictional reference geoid and not on the ground comes in quite useful when flying ;) | 16:54 |
| Keybuk | (and map projections, knowing that if you fly in a straight line what shape line you draw over the map and stuff | 16:55 |
| Keybuk | and then knowing that flying in a straight line is never efficient, and instead you want to fly in a great circle, which may be a very funny shape on your map :p) | 16:55 |
| evand | very cool. How much longer until you can fly the lot of us to UDS? | 16:56 |
| Keybuk | it's more a question of money than time at this point :-/ | 16:57 |
| * ScottK has (in ancient history) had to do great circle plotting of a trans-Atlantic voyage on paper charts before. | 17:00 | |
| bdmurray | hello | 17:01 |
| pedro_ | hello everybody | 17:01 |
| * ogasawara_ waves | 17:01 | |
| * cgregan waves | 17:01 | |
| davmor2 | hello | 17:01 |
| jcozens | Hi | 17:01 |
| sbeattie | hey | 17:01 |
| bdmurray | #startmeeting | 17:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:03. The chair is bdmurray. | 17:03 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:03 |
| bdmurray | The agenda for the meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings and first up we have pedro_ | 17:03 |
| pedro_ | Last Thursday we celebrated the flashplugin-nonfree hug day https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090305 | 17:04 |
| cr3 | bdmurray: you'll be chairing during the testing sprint? :) | 17:04 |
| bdmurray | cr3: yes, heno asked me to do this | 17:05 |
| pedro_ | we had a really good participation from the bugsquad again (they are rocking so hard) | 17:05 |
| cr3 | bdmurray: thanks man! | 17:05 |
| pedro_ | we had some heroes bigal50, Joel Goguen (jgoguen), Martin Mai (MrKanister) and Charlie Kravetz (charlie-tca) | 17:05 |
| pedro_ | big kudos to them ;-) | 17:05 |
| pedro_ | and specially to MrKanister for helping out to set up everything | 17:06 |
| cr3 | pedro_: why is it called a hug day rather than a bug day? | 17:06 |
| * pedro_ hugs MrKanister | 17:06 | |
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| bdmurray | cr3: that's why ^ | 17:06 |
| * MrKanister huggs pedro back | 17:06 | |
| pedro_ | cr3: triage a bug, win a hug ;-) | 17:06 |
| pedro_ | tomorrow we're having a samba hug day, we have been coordinating this with the server team | 17:07 |
| cr3 | pedro_: dude, I so need to participate in those more! | 17:07 |
| cr3 | pedro_: what's the wiki page for the samba hug day? | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090312 <- people already started to work on it | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | cr3: ^ | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | i know Joel is amazing | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | we're going to have people from the server team available to answers question regarding bugs on the #ubuntu-bugs channel | 17:08 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: did bugs w/ patches get added to the template? I stuck them in for Samba again | 17:08 |
| cr3 | pedro_: I'll invite some people from montreal, they might be interested too | 17:08 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray: it's not added, i'll do that | 17:08 |
| pedro_ | cr3: awesome! | 17:09 |
| bdmurray | #action pedro to add patches table to bug day template | 17:09 |
| bdmurray | hrm | 17:09 |
| pedro_ | so that's it, we'll be waiting for you to start squashing samba bugs tomorrow ;-) | 17:09 |
| * cr3 hugs pedro_ in advance | 17:09 | |
| pedro_ | talking about hug days heroes, hello charlie-tca | 17:10 |
| pedro_ | :-) | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | hello, sorry I am a little late | 17:10 |
| bdmurray | This week we had a couple of new bug control members and one returning one. | 17:10 |
| bdmurray | Julien Lavergne, gilir on freenode, was approved as a member and is interested in awn, conduit, ogmrip among other packages | 17:11 |
| bdmurray | István Nyitrai, sianis on freenode, was also approved as a member and is interested in l10n bugs, misspellings, typos and has been working on gdebi a fair bit | 17:12 |
| pedro_ | yay for a conduit contributor :-) | 17:12 |
| bdmurray | Third TJ, IntuitiveNipple on freenode, was a former member of Bug Control who has returned! He has an interest in kernel bugs and received lots of positive comments from the kernel team. | 17:13 |
| bdmurray | There is one last application, andres mujica's, still pending if any bug control members want to comment. | 17:14 |
| bdmurray | That covers all that's going on in bug control! | 17:14 |
| bdmurray | Is there somebody who can speak about the testing day? | 17:16 |
| davmor2 | Yo | 17:16 |
| davmor2 | Testing day was mostly me and charlie-tca this week we found a few issues that have kinda been resolved for apha6 due to it | 17:17 |
| davmor2 | ara_: is running the one on Monday which iirc is based on notify-osd and others | 17:18 |
| ara_ | yes, focus will be notify-osd and checkbox | 17:19 |
| cr3 | ara_: yay! | 17:19 |
| bdmurray | Okay, that sounds great! | 17:20 |
| bdmurray | Moving on - last week or the week before we talked about a bug weighting / gravity as a way to find 'important' bugs in a large collection of bugs. | 17:21 |
| bdmurray | I've taken a stab at this using a calculation like so http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/129811/ | 17:21 |
| bdmurray | Different points are assigned to the tags that a bug report has where lots of points are given for regressions or apport reported bugs | 17:22 |
| bdmurray | Then points are also given for duplicates, subscribers and users affected which we'd talked about. | 17:22 |
| bdmurray | I'd also like to add in some points if the bug report is private as that is one that should be looked at soon and hopefully made public. | 17:23 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: should regression-update and regression-proposed get a high weighting? | 17:23 |
| sbeattie | as they're supposed to be regressions that were introduced by a (proposed) update. | 17:23 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: right, and probably higher than regression-release? | 17:24 |
| sbeattie | that's my intuition. | 17:24 |
| bdmurray | so something like 250 and 300 for proposed then updates | 17:24 |
| bdmurray | okay, noted | 17:25 |
| bdmurray | Its this kind of feedback I'm looking for | 17:25 |
| bdmurray | I've run some reports using this at http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/tmp/gravity/ | 17:25 |
| bdmurray | sorting by the gravity you can identify which bug reports probably should be looked at first | 17:26 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: hrm, should workflow bugs get excluded? | 17:26 |
| sbeattie | e.g. Bug 340606shows up on the no-package report. | 17:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 340606 in ubuntu "FeatureFreezeException: S.M.I.L.E" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340606 | 17:27 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: if you could look at rhythmbox / totem and let me know if the gravity number is useful or indicative of something useful that would be helpful | 17:27 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray: alright | 17:28 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: and maybe the needs-packaging ones too | 17:28 |
| sbeattie | mmm, yeah. | 17:28 |
| bdmurray | I'm really curious if people would find these reports useful or not | 17:29 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: might be useful to put the little lock marker or some other indicator for private bugs. | 17:29 |
| bdmurray | So please test them out and let me know! | 17:30 |
| pedro_ | ok will do it | 17:31 |
| bdmurray | In other news, compiz now has an apport hook! | 17:31 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: thanks for working on that, I think they could be useful. | 17:31 |
| sbeattie | nice! | 17:31 |
| bdmurray | It gathers hardware info, xorg log file and xsession errors | 17:32 |
| bdmurray | The same things asked for at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingCompiz | 17:32 |
| bdmurray | Maybe we should add compiz to the hug day targets list for after the release | 17:33 |
| pedro_ | that's a good idea, I'll add that to the Planning page | 17:34 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: do you have a list of packages that it would be a priority to get apport hooks added to? | 17:34 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: not really, if we were to make a list I think it should take into consideration bug volume and Debugging page existence | 17:35 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: looking around I think we are doing pretty well now | 17:37 |
| bdmurray | gnome-power-manager might benefit from one though | 17:37 |
| bdmurray | oh and firefox | 17:38 |
| bdmurray | so those 2 seem like a priority | 17:39 |
| sbeattie | for anyone who's interested, gnome-power-manager appears to include a gnome-power-bugreport.sh script that might be useful for ideas for inclusion in an apport hook | 17:39 |
| cr3 | speaking of power management, checkbox should also come with a hibernate/suspend test script in the next release which should land before beta | 17:41 |
| bdmurray | I that back about firefox - there is one | 17:41 |
| bdmurray | Firefox could use a package bug guideline | 17:42 |
| bdmurray | Okay, that's all that was on the agenda. Is there any other business? | 17:43 |
| cr3 | all good here | 17:44 |
| pedro_ | noup | 17:44 |
| bdmurray | Okay, thanks everyone! | 17:45 |
| bdmurray | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:45. | 17:45 |
| bdmurray | win 40 | 17:45 |
| pedro_ | thanks you | 17:45 |
| davmor2 | ta | 17:48 |
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