[00:32] I have a newbie question. When I put in an audio cd it doesnt the usual thing where it puts the icon on the desktop, and i cant find it when browsing. I am new at things. I do not understand mounting. [00:37] Anyone? [00:56] knome: What? Tabs in the settings manager? What's that? [01:19] aliksy: still having issues? [01:30] Hello People. [01:30] doing an ls takes a long time. So when trying to run fsck on the / parition, it warns about data loss. What is the proper thing to do? [01:34] B0BBY: save important files (you should have a recent backup already, right?) [01:34] on a cd or usb or external disk [01:34] David-A: most of the stuff is not missino critical on xubuntu. [01:34] but on the dual boot windows there's a lot of stuff that's important. [01:35] but the windows partitino should be fine, no? [01:36] David-A: if it is on the same physical disk it is just a matter of time, i think [01:37] * David-A talking to himself? [01:37] * B0BBY wonders same about David-A [01:37] :P [01:37] ok. then next is to do what? Run fsck.ext3 anyhoo? [01:38] or can I schedule that to run at startup? [01:39] if smartmontools isnt installed, try smartctl from a livecd (installing it on the harddisk is not too good if it is giving up, better try save things) [01:39] smartctl can test the drive and report ageing statistics [01:40] meh, I'll install it anyhoo. LOL [01:41] you have backup of the important files on the win partition? if not, dont postpone it too long [01:42] David-A: it's moe of a work laptop. So I use it for work VPN. So not so much the files to save. But rather to use as dumb terminal and then connect to work stuff. [01:43] http://pastebin.com/fe3b1fae [01:45] has pre-fail labels.... [01:50] B0BBY: "Pre-fail" is just the Type of parameter. The "-" means no alarm yet. [01:50] All "Value" > "Threshold" (less Value is worse) so aging-wise the disk seems ok [01:51] David-A: I'll read it again and understand the output. [01:52] So do I run fsck? Or just reboot a few times. it seems to be ok now. [01:54] Did you start a self-test via smartctl? It can run while you work. There is a quick one and a little longer one. [01:55] self test? let me check. [01:57] ok, I see smartctl --all --test-long . that one? [01:58] I dont remember. Just make sure its the one that dont distroy data and that can run while mounted. [01:58] ok, it says Execute SMART extended self-test routine immediately in off-line mode. [01:59] Testing has begun. lease wait 30 min. So it should be ok. it didn't warn or anything about dangers of running it. [01:59] ok, check its log when it is estimated to be finished [02:00] hm, let me check what "off-line" means... [02:34] anyone know a good Remote Desktop Viewer for xubuntu? i'm trying to connect to a windows xp computer. what program do you reccomend? [02:51] anyone? [02:55] so does everyone just come here to chill out? :( [02:59] no, we see the Q but dont know the A and keep quiet (imagine if everyone said "i dont know" alll the time!) [03:00] (and yes, we are here to chill out too) :) [03:03] * David-A realised juan has left === forces is now known as Guest1295 [05:10] sup? [05:11] Ish: two failed CD burns, and now I'm out of blank CD's, so no Xubuntu tonight. Whas up with you? [05:12] not much [05:13] going to internet some [05:14] you should get more cd's [05:14] or fail your burnings less [05:14] yes, and yes. [05:15] I'm moving into a new place, and my blanks are still in storage. Don't know why the burns are failing, Ubuntu 8.04 burned ok, this box proves that. [05:17] I"m going to go hang out in #ubuntu, cul. [05:17] my cd had a small problem with install, but we pulled through [05:23] Ish: have you considered tryint to do a setup with usb, or just burning a mini.iso? When you are only using a 8mb image there is a much smaller chance of download/burn issues [05:24] i'm good, sounds like n2diy needs the help [05:25] i had a weird startup-problem though. it goes into a "Busybox" when i restart, i have to type "exit" and enter to get to the login prompt [05:26] hrm... [05:30] Ish: the problem i have with my two burns is I boot into busybox and get an intramfs prompt. I thought that was normal, but I'm told it isn't. [05:31] and that happens when I try to install, or verify the disks. [05:32] idk about this intramfs === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [10:41] Suggestions for light, basic image editor [10:42] for cropping, scaling, rotating digicam shots [10:44] taw, gthumb image viewer can do all that, and you could always use the gimp [10:46] somebody at other channel suggester f-spot [10:46] oh that might be able to do it too, dont have it installed :) [10:47] I don't have it or gthump, have to install both :-) [10:48] yeah try them and see which fits you best :) [10:48] just waiting them to flow in [10:57] hmm, f-spot doesn't have what I asked for? [10:58] and gthumb does the work, but UI needs bit too many clicks to get cropping done, but quite ok [10:58] it doesn't? I'm fairly sure it does... [10:58] I think. [10:58] don't have it installed but I remember using it for those [11:00] hmm, maybe wrong command line options [11:00] I tried first 'f-spot file.jpg' [11:00] and it gives me usage, where I took '-v -view view file(s) or directory(ies)' [11:00] maybe that's not correct option [11:01] and it wants to keep some database [11:01] oh my, old XV was fine [11:11] 'f-spot -i .' might work, but I don't want picture database, Iwant edit one picture [11:11] gthumb at least was one step better [11:43] hi [11:43] linux noob here [11:43] is there any reason to install an old version of xubuntu? [11:43] if hardware specs are low? [11:44] i'm installing the latest xubuntu on a laptop w/ only 128mb ram [11:45] to get lighter you would need to install very old version [11:46] it's more about programs you run [11:46] oh yeah? so i can't disable features to make it lighter? [11:46] would you recommend then that i install xubuntu like... version 7.04 feisty? [11:46] jedhunsaker: to be honest, I'd use the Ubuntu minimal cd to install the barebone version and handpick what I'd want, perhaps not even xfce at all [11:47] you've got terribly little ram [11:47] lol i know, friends cpu [11:47] i have the ubuntu alternate installation cd [11:47] i already had ubuntu installed this way [11:47] but i heard xubuntu was lighter [11:48] it is to a certain degree [11:48] jedhunsaker, its lighter than gnome or kde [11:48] but not that far :-/ [11:48] but not light enough [11:48] how far back (old version) should i go? [11:48] you really want specifically xfce? [11:48] i had feisty installed (7.04) but then it said i could install updates for 7.10 [11:49] not necessarily [11:49] i just want it to run fast [11:49] relatively [11:49] that's what the girl who owns it wants anyway [11:49] because you can get the latest 8.10 with the ubuntu-minimal, and install something like icewm instead of xfce and hand pick the apps that would run smoothest [11:49] and itunes, but she's probably pressing her luck there [11:49] Myrtti, for getting really lighter you should go to days that amount of mem & cpu was at least some how decent [11:50] distros 7-10 years ago [11:50] taw: I used icewm in the days when that amount was decent [11:50] I use fvwm still [11:50] so it's the gui that really defines performance? [11:50] haven't found any other which has that configurability [11:50] I still wouldn't get an *old* version [11:51] see that's what i was thinkin' Murtti [11:51] old means there's bugs that have later been fixed, perhaps even security threats [11:51] I agree [11:51] so get ubuntu-minimal or debian, that's up to date [11:51] hi, anyone knows when the ppa for intrepid will get updated to the final 4.6? [11:51] so i should just keep this xubuntu installation and turn off features then [11:51] jedhunsaker: if you insist on having xubuntu [11:51] yes [11:52] ubuntu-minimal, or that [11:52] only thing is i just had ubuntu on [11:52] and replaced it with xubuntu [11:52] kinda don't want to go back again [11:52] thanks Murtti [11:52] Myrtti [11:54] xubuntu is ok, just replace xfce with something ligter [11:54] use lightest browser [11:54] etc [11:55] what's lighter than xfce? [11:55] that still has a gui? [11:56] i see the minimal cd files... 6.06, 6.10, 7.04, 7.10, 8.04, 8.10 [11:57] my only concern is that i won't know which packages to install [11:57] as i am new to linux [11:57] what you mean gui? [11:57] dekstop icons? [11:57] i mean something more than a command shell [11:57] yeah [11:58] what's lighter than xfce? [11:58] i heard about DSL (damn small linux) [11:58] but [11:58] i don't think it has a gui [11:58] for me, my fvwm has enough gui [11:58] it has menus, and from menu I can open apps I need [11:58] or icewm [11:59] nearly all wm's have menus, but desktop, no [11:59] jedhunsaker: and of course you'd use the latest minimal cd [11:59] icewm looks and feels a lot like the gui in windows 95/98 and is verry light, that might be the best option [12:00] i can install that right on top of xfce though and make it the default, no? [12:00] on gdm you can select which session to use when logging in [12:02] ( so thats a yes ) [12:09] Murtti: what theme do you use for icewm? IceQua looks nice... [12:10] test [12:10] on low mem installations even themes may have bad effect on performance [12:11] nice looging gradient fills, etc [12:11] solid colors are faster to draw [12:12] yeah, but i'm such an art snob [12:12] bacground image takes memory, solid one color background [12:12] << art student [12:12] ha [12:13] ok thanks guys... i have to be sleeping now [12:13] you've been a lot of help [12:13] i appreciate it [12:13] hi all [12:13] hi basa [12:13] hi jedhunsaker [12:13] I need lunch [12:13] should had that 2 hours ago [12:16] trying to solve the mystery of vanished compositing tab from the manage tweak window [12:18] oh, he "mentioned" me... [12:18] I wish people would do tab completion :-< [12:25] lol [12:59] Hello [14:56] Okay, is there a better program for managing the menus in XFCE than what is built-into XFCE? [14:57] Nope [14:57] One of the things like like about Blackbox is that the menus are a simple flat text file [14:57] Or do I have to continue to find and edit .desktop files? [14:57] ...so once I have it configured, I can simply copy the file everywhere it's applicable. [14:57] Yes :) [14:59] hi, anyone knows when the ppa for intrepid will get updated to the final 4.6? [15:01] vinnl: Not what I wanted to hear, but I guess that's what I get for using Linux. Two things I wish were easier: adding menu entries for programs that don't add themselves to the menu, and moving stuff that is in the wrong place (like all the menu entries for programs installed under Wine going in one menu, no sub-menus). [15:02] mnemoc, jeromeg has a PPA with Intrepid packages for 4.6 [15:02] PKodon, will all be possible when Xfce 4.8 is released, but that's not of much help now :( [15:02] It's rather confusing to see a whole bunch of "readme" entries, and no idea which program they go to. [15:02] GNOME and KDE can both do it, has nothing to do with Linux in general though [15:02] brb [15:02] vinnl: Well, thanks anyway. [15:04] vinnl: http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-guelfucci/ppa <--- this? [15:07] vinnl: thanks! [15:07] mnemoc, yep :) [15:14] vinnl: BTW, when installing programs under Wine gloms everything in one menu, is that a fault of Wine or XFCE? [15:15] PKodon, which menu? [15:15] Well, in PC/OS, it's all stuck in Other [15:16] I believe it's sort of both at fault... There was a bugreport on this a while ago and I believe the suggested fix was in Wine's .desktop files [15:16] If I install 5 programs with Wine, there may be 5 "readme" entries in "Other", plus all the others menu entries. To get them in sub-menus I have to physically go change the .desktop files. [15:17] Yeah, not pleasant... [15:18] I just reinstalled PC/OS, so I don't have anything in there right now, but I think when Wine sets up the .desktop files, it doesn't put them in sub-directories named for the program (or in the .desktop files it doesn't define where the program should go). [15:19] I believe it does do this in Ubuntu so I suppose it's using a menu category not supported by Xfce or something [15:20] Interesting, though, the new release of PC/OS gives you a menu entry for a root file manager, so I don't have to use a sudo command to change things. [15:21] I've personally set up a "Open as root" custom action in Thunar [15:21] vinnl: most packages are still 4.5.91-1 there :\ [15:21] True? Hmmm... [15:22] oh, no... sorry [15:22] ^.^ [15:22] replacing my 4.5.91-1 ancient stuff with 4.6. [15:22] * mnemoc needs more coffee :p [15:23] vinnl: It's also a bit confusing to have all Wine-installed programs listed in "Other", since "Other" seems to have no connection (visually) with Wine. [15:24] Yeah I know [15:24] Anyway, I guess I'll do some more research, I'll have to make some notes as to where I find things and what to do to change them. If I do that, I'll be able to remember it better (than following someone else's instructions). [15:25] PKodon, Wine applications are (I believe) in ~/.local/share/applications/wine [15:26] I found some "portable" versions of some games I have on several websites (you can put them on USB stick and run them from there - leaves nothing on the machine you run them on) and I have to figgure out how to set up some way to see them in the menu when they're there. [15:28] You could set up a script that creates the required .desktop files when your stick is plugged in, I suppose... But that's a bit of a drag [15:28] That said, I don't know of any other OS that can do that [15:29] Oh, there was one other thing, some games and other programs in Wine change the screen resolution and go full-screen, but the XFCE panel still shows (and covers up anything at the bottom of the screen). The mouse then goes behind the panel, and you can't see what you're clicking on, nor can you access the panel. [15:29] Not all full-screen windows programs act that way, though, so it's confusing. [15:29] PKodon, one way around that is letting wine create a smaller virtual desktop [15:30] Yeah, I've tried that. I' [15:32] Er, I've got the normal resolution 1280x1024, and set up Wine to do a desktop of 1280x960. However, at that resolution, programs that show up as full-screen 640x480 end up displaying in the upper-left-hand corner of that screen (instead of the center), and are difficult to read. [15:36] Oh, on a different topic, I have a Dell LCD display, and an nVidia GeForce2 graphics card, with the EnvyNG drivers installed. The monitor's controls don't include a screen size adjustment, just position. Is there any way to control screen size through the graphics card? [15:37] (display adjustment, not resolution) [15:38] Oops, it's a GeForce3, sorry. [15:41] does someone else upgrade to xfce4-4.6 ? I can't find "Setting Manager" in the menu. [15:42] Hermenegil, it should be there, just as the normal settings items [15:43] Shouldn't need it. Applications -> Settings -> Xfce 4 Settings Manager [15:44] Also, in Xubuntu, most of the settings are now listed when you click Applications -> Settings [15:44] its not there ?? [15:44] Is this in Jaunty? [15:44] or, what version of Xubuntu? [15:45] Intrepid [15:45] Did you install from the PPA? [15:45] yes [15:46] you could as on #xfce, either you need another package in the PPA or it is a bug [15:53] mm, sorry whats "PPA" ? I downloaded two files manually "xfce4-4.6-installer.run" and "xfce-goodies-4.6-installer.run" [15:53] how can one enable the "faces" in the gdm team for Xfce? (8.10+jeromeg's ppa) [15:54] Hermenegil: a personal repository [15:54] s/team/theme/ [15:54] Hermenegil, "Personal Package Archive", it's a place where people can store installation files (.deb packages) they made for Ubuntu specifically [15:54] Hermenegil: then it won't work. It has to packaged for Xubuntu [15:54] mnemoc, you need to use a theme that supports them [15:55] Hermenegil: You are missing needed files for settings manager to be there [15:55] vinnl: there is any theme with faces saying xubuntu? [15:55] Don't think so [15:55] :( [15:55] Well, I made one a *long* time ago but that was ugly :P [15:55] I believe it's not that difficult, let me check [15:55] =) [15:58] Hermenegil: here are the files needed to install Xfce 4.6 on Intrepid - Get it here: https://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa . File the bugs against it on http://bugzilla.xfce.org/ . [15:59] mnemoc, I don't know how quickly you're with picking this up, but I suppose you can come quite far if you look at an example theme that uses a list in /usr/share/gdm/themes [16:00] vinnl: thanks for the hint :) i'll look into that [16:01] yw :) [16:01] my smaller daughter can't type her name yet and she can be very anoying when asking [16:01] Ah, understandably [16:01] You could use a theme that doesn't say Xubuntu, though ;-) [16:02] nah [16:02] =) [16:02] That's the spirit ^.^ [16:03] what is the name of the replacement of Xnest? [16:04] !xnest [16:04] Sorry, I don't know anything about xnest [16:04] Me neither :P [16:04] the thing to get a new X session as a window [16:04] inside yours [16:04] I thought it was still xnest [16:05] yes? i thought it got replaced by something else in 7.4 [16:06] I have used it sometime ago... And I believe I had to use gdmflexiserver or something later [16:06] Xephyr! [16:07] !xephyr [16:07] Sorry, I don't know anything about xephyr [16:07] * mnemoc kicks the bot [16:10] Well, I guess the bot can't know everything. [16:11] It's *bot*, not *God* :P [16:12] Right! [16:15] mnemoc: you might be right about that. Memory fails when needed most for me [16:15] :) [16:16] try !info xephyr [16:16] !info xephyr [16:16] Package xephyr does not exist in intrepid [16:16] * charlie-tca kicks the bot, too [16:16] !info xserver-xephyr [16:16] xserver-xephyr (source: xorg-server): nested X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.5.2-2ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 1342 kB, installed size 2408 kB [16:17] * charlie-tca kicks the bot again [16:17] :) [18:00] Hi, I have xubuntu 8.10, I've tried to increase the number of workspaces to 4 using Xfce menu > Settings > Workspaces Settings, however it doesn't seems to have any effect. suggestions anyone? [18:42] hey guys, how do i install the needed dependencies for xfce 4.6? [18:42] i can't find them in synaptic or anything D: [18:43] how are you trying to install xfce 4.6? === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [18:44] well i wanted to install it via the repo, but then it just said that i would get a partial upgrade, so then i used the .run to see what dependencies i was missing [18:45] the .run installer from xfce should list you all the dependencies [18:46] You then have to install the -dev packages of these. [18:46] what repositor are you trying to use? [18:46] it does, yes, but then i don't know where to install them. for example, i see gtk-doc. i can't just do sudo apt-get install gtk-doc [18:46] there is a devel version of 4.6 for intrepid in https://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa [18:47] That is exactly the one I was about to tell you to look for. [18:47] you are supposed to submit bug reports and subscribe charlie-tca to any bugs you find [18:50] i mean, its not a bug about the ppa or anything, i just can't find the dependencies x_X [18:51] they are out there somewhere i just dunno where [18:52] wrinkliez, Are you using apt-get or synaptic to install from the ppa? [18:53] synaptic [18:55] im slowly finding the dependencies, lol, its annoying that gtk-doc is actually gtk-doc-tools, etc [18:55] but its going [18:55] wrinkliez: Which ubuntu release are you using? [18:56] 8.10 [18:56] wrinkliez: you should not have to install dependencies manually. [18:57] hmm... curious [18:57] i certainly have to on a fresh install of xubuntu 8.10, with everything sudo apt-get update'd [18:58] Get it here: https://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa . File the bugs against it on http://bugzilla.xfce.org/ . [18:58] If you are using a .run you got it direct from Xfce and it doesn't have all the dependencies satisfied [18:59] well the ppa doesn't install things correctly either though, that's the thing. the .run at least tells me what's up. [19:00] what was your problem with the ppa? [19:00] the ppa is packaged for Xubuntu [19:01] wrinkliez: I logged out of xfce session and ran "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in console (that you get by e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F1 in the login screen.) [19:01] it says it can only do a partial upgrade... and when i do do the partial upgrade, it's a very messy installation [19:01] i tried it once before, this is my second attempt [19:02] let me try that jarnos [19:05] wrinkliez: you get back by Ctrl-Alt-F7 [19:08] wrinkliez: Maybe you have to do "sudo apt-get update" first. [19:15] ok so, my update manager still says that not all updates can be installed [19:15] and i can either close or do a partial upgrade -_- [19:17] jargos, what was your suggestion again? i logged out to find that i forgot the command [19:17] jarnos* [19:19] wrinkliez: Log out, Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, there may be some questions, exit after it has finished, Ctrl-Alt-F7 [19:20] thanks man, im gunna try it :) [19:20] wrinkliez: you are welcome [19:22] wrinkliez: sometimes you have to run apt-get dist-upgrade a couple of times, restarting in between, too [19:24] Hey, all [19:24] Hello, Pres-Gas [19:25] Is there anyone here that is using Gnome-Do with XFCE and Gnome-Do just disappears with nary a whimper? [19:25] I just get nothing [19:26] Can't pinpoint when it started [19:26] how do i add another virtual desktop at the bottom right hand corner? i tried adding a panel, but it doesn't appear to be working -- i want to see 3 virtual spaces instead of the default 2 [19:27] applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> workspaces [19:27] charlie-tca: ahh, ok. i think i got mixed up with the 'panel' nomenclature [19:28] no problem. [19:28] hi all [19:28] thanks charlie-tca [19:28] You are welcome [19:28] hey basajaun [19:28] hi char [19:28] hi basajaun [19:29] hi brandonban6 [19:29] Hello, [19:29] HI Pres-Gas [19:29] Hello, basajaun [19:29] HI charlie-tca [19:31] charlie-tca: I still haven found the answer to the mystery of the vanished compositing tab [19:31] That's really a weird one. [19:31] baffling [19:32] Itś not even because I use compositing but it was there before I d love to know what happened [19:32] Yeah, I'm hoping you tell us when it gets fixed [19:33] which I knew what the cullprit script uses to switch off compositing [19:33] I have emailed the author? [19:33] Do they have a contact you could email? [19:34] the page is no longer maintained so.... [19:34] :( [19:34] next time I will look twice lol [19:34] jarnos, it worked! hoozah [19:36] wrinkliez: good. [19:37] is there a way to use the xfce-power-manager instead of the gnome one? [19:41] Is it in that PPA? [19:42] xfce4-power-manager is. [19:42] Then, you should be able to install it from there and remove the gnome-power-manager [19:43] cool [19:43] I don't know if it actually works, though [19:43] the dimming didn't work on zenwalk, :/ [19:43] so let's see [19:43] Even on Jaunty, we are using gnome-power-manager [19:44] wrinkliez: you can disable the gnome one in autostarted applications and put the xfce4 one there. [19:45] hmm, doesn't have an option to dim the screen -_- [19:45] wrinkliez: I mean the power managers [19:46] Is the dimming control a panel applet? [19:47] xfpm will include screen dimming later. [19:47] wrinkliez: ^ ^ [19:48] what does xfpm stand for? [19:48] if you dont mind [19:48] xfce-power-manager [19:49] thanks, Maximilian1st [19:49] Does someone know how to install otr for xchat on intrepid? [19:49] I just read that on the mailing list. [19:49] oh haha [19:49] dang [19:50] ok cool [19:50] what is otr for xchat? [19:50] wrinkliez, What was the problem with the PPA you just had? [19:50] apparently not "over the road" ? [19:50] off-the-record messaging plugin [19:51] to encrypt messages with xchat [19:51] when i went to upgrade, it told me that i could only do a partial upgrade [19:52] bigzed: install it through synaptic-package-manager. [19:52] You said something about dependencies not being proposed [19:52] charlie-tca, which repository and which package? [19:52] that was when I tried the .run, not the .ppa [19:52] That you had to search for the dependencies yourself. [19:52] charlie-tca, I don't find any information about this [19:52] wrinkliez: and you had any issues with the ppa ? [19:53] and even when all the dependencies were checked in the .run, the ppa still said i could only do a partial upgrade [19:53] universe, package is "xchat-otr" [19:53] wrinkliez: you tried sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? [19:53] yeah it worked after sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [19:54] charlie-tca, I don't find "xchat-otr" with aptitude [19:54] i had to log in with cntrl alt f1 [19:54] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [19:54] charlie-tca, Do you have used any special repositories? [19:54] reboot, and then it worked [19:54] bigzed: give me a minute to load 8.10 again [19:55]