[00:05] <shtylman> Riddell: noted, will do
[00:13] <Riddell> shtylman: any plans to make the partition bars behave the same as the GTK version?
[00:22] <shtylman> Riddell: with regard to? placement?
[00:40] <nixternal> XDG compliancy...yay, I pray for that daily :)
[00:42]  * ScottK thought you prayed to some emacs related diety?
[00:42] <nixternal> not any more
[00:43] <ScottK> Oh?  What happened?  Discovered the joy of vim?
[00:43] <nixternal> yup :)
[00:43] <dtchen> nixternal has fallen to the dark side
[00:43] <nixternal> still getting used to vim in some aspects, but thus far I am just as efficient with it than I was in emacs
[00:44] <nixternal> i find myself wanting to go back to emacs from time to time, but when I try, I realize I have forgotten so much that it would take forever to get back into shape
[00:44] <dtchen> i would have recommended vile as transition
[00:44] <nixternal> heh, been there done that
[00:45] <dtchen> i find i mostly use the vi subset, so vim-tiny's sufficient
[00:45] <nixternal> i use vim, with all of the little plugins and what not
[00:46] <ScottK> nixternal: To me XDG means a bunch of directories in $HOME I don't care to have.
[00:46] <nixternal> though for coding, I am still madly involved with Eclipse, which I absolutely love
[00:46] <dtchen> eclipse is pretty nice
[00:46]  * ScottK  wonders who should update the package ....
[00:46] <nixternal> ScottK: that is just XDG_HOME, there are other things involved with XDG that clean all of that up
[00:46] <dtchen> ScottK: find someone to handle pulseaudio, and i'll do it.
[00:46] <nixternal> hehe
[00:46] <dtchen> doing sound & eclipse is a bit far beyond madness
[00:47]  * ScottK wasn't considering you for the honor.
[00:47] <nixternal> dtchen: I have been getting a popping noice through my speakers in jaunty..I don't know if it is bad line noise or not..has anyone else complained of something similar?
[00:47] <ScottK> It's clear nixternal isn't busy doing other Ubuntu stuff.
[00:47] <nixternal> ya, eclipse packaging is mad
[00:47] <nixternal> I am busy with other ubuntu stuff
[00:47] <dtchen> nixternal: yes - is only the popping audible, or is the popping just in the background?
[00:48] <ScottK> nixternal: What you do is go to #ubuntu-motu and find a MOTU wannbe and offer to help them.  Upload it with their name in debian/changelog and then they TIL.
[00:48] <nixternal> in the background...when no sound is playing I hear it from time-to-time..not all of the time
[00:48] <dtchen> nixternal: ah, that's the hw-ptr issue i fixed
[00:48] <nixternal> did you fix it recently?
[00:48] <nixternal> because I am sitting here and have not heard it tonight and I did an update earlier
[00:49] <dtchen> yes, in linux. i'm test-building ATM.
[00:49] <nixternal> I am sure I heard it this morning
[00:49] <dtchen> the hw-ptr is precisely that - it's pretty nondeterministic, since it depends on how the bios initialises the codec.
[00:49] <nixternal> have my sound up, listening for it to happen
[00:49] <dtchen> so it can "randomly" (dis)appear
[00:50] <nixternal> gotcha
[00:51] <shtylman> bug 317781 is a facinating read
[00:57] <ScottK> yep.
[03:37] <ScottK> So I was trying to figure out why my kids Intrepid Kubuntu desktop (KDE 4.1.4) has gvfs ...
[03:37] <ScottK> phonon-backend-gstreamer   Depends    gstreamer0.10-plugins-base and gstreamer0.10-plugins-base Recommends gvfs
[03:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Can we arrange to not pull in gvfs do you think?
[03:38] <ScottK> I'm now a huge fan of aptitude why BTW.
[03:41] <nhandler> ScottK: I never knew about aptitude why before. Thanks a lot
[03:41] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[03:41] <ScottK> I'm not generally an aptitude fan, but I like that.
[04:12] <freeflying> nhandler: arounds?
[04:37]  * a|wen goes updating the meeting times in the wiki + top-banner
[06:46] <a|wen> the "hugday" entry in our top-banner is now "automagically" updated when the bugsquad updates their banner :)
[08:27] <a|wen> and same for the REVU ... so now we only have to update our own stuff :)
[10:38] <ScottK> It seems http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=938370 would be good for backporting ....
[11:03] <yao_ziyuan> i'm with the latest kubuntu jaunty. when i drop a file from QuickAccess to Trashcan, the file stay over Trashcan until i click it. then it says, 'file can't be trashed as it is already deleted'. is anyone with the same problem or am i alone?
[11:03] <yao_ziyuan> back in kubuntu intrepid, there is no such a problem.
[11:04] <yao_ziyuan> file drag-drop between dolphin and dolphin is fine.
[12:30] <ghostcube> anyone want to see fast pc :O
[12:30] <ghostcube> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs
[12:30] <ghostcube> wth
[12:30] <ghostcube> 2096 gb/s data transfer rate
[12:31] <ghostcube> :|
[13:08] <Riddell> these DVDs take ages to install
[13:13] <davmor2> Riddell: That's why I hate doing them more than expert installs
[13:20] <jussi01> hehe, dont ask me why, but Riddells comment just made me think of "These Romans are crazy!" :P
[13:24] <Sput> why?
[13:25]  * jussi01 slaps Sput
[13:25] <jussi01> nasty!
[13:25] <Sput> hrhr
[13:26] <Sput> you basically asked for it!
[13:26] <jussi01> can anyone get the itv player working? Ive installed moonlight, but it still doesnt work :/
[13:29] <jussi01> oh never mind... seems there is a reason why :( http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=9613
[16:32] <maco> whoever said in here that kmail is more stable when you use dimap instead of imap was right. but wow dimap is a slow sync
[16:43] <a|wen> maco: it is pretty slow, yeah ... but rather slow than unstable
[16:45]  * JontheEchidna cowers behind pop3
[16:51] <a|wen> hehe
[17:16] <Riddell> the kpackagekit update notification is pretty rubbish, it disappears after a second with nothing in the systray to click on
[17:18] <jussi01> theres a notification? o.O
[17:19] <maco> Riddell: i mentioned that last week. cant remember the response, something along the lines of "can't be done"
[17:19] <maco> jussi01: yes itll popup "there are 163 updates available" with "install now" "install later" and "shut up" buttons
[17:20] <maco> if you dont click anything, it just disappears after a second and then you have to know what to look for in kicker to find it again
[17:20] <jussi01> curious... dont think Ive ever seen it...
[17:21] <Riddell> but there's nothing in the panel to click
[17:21] <Riddell> sounds like we should disable it and go back to our old update notifier
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> Really the notification should be persistent, but there's a bug in the plasma notifications that doesn't let things be persistent
[17:32] <Riddell> right
[18:16] <Quintasan> Hmm, anyone noticed that the binary clock plasmoid has problems with date? After each plasma restart it has 00:00 hour set and no date
[18:41] <ScottK> Riddell: When agiteau first showed up and I asked about helping out with some notifications bugfixing in the meantime for Jaunty that was the first one I was thinking of.
[18:42] <ScottK> But I generally agree.  We either need to fix it pretty quick or switch back.
[20:02] <VaSavoir> hello, is there a place to discuss about software developpement under ubuntu ?
[20:05] <Riddell> VaSavoir: no I'm afraid not especially but there are channels for individual projects.  KDE would be #kde-devel
[20:09] <VaSavoir> riddell: ok, thank, but i try to find info on kevent and so on, i try to detect disk partition change and mount unmont in reeltime
[20:10] <Riddell> hello
[20:10] <Riddell> i am cool
[20:11] <Riddell> ahem, cats
[20:11] <ScottK> The cat says it's cool?
[20:11] <Riddell> VaSavoir: in KDE solid does that.  lower down hal will do that.  kevent I don't know about, you'd need to investigate linux docs
[20:12] <VaSavoir> ok, thank for all :-)
[20:20] <davmor2> Riddell: Let the friggin cat in if it's cool you evil swine ;)
[20:34] <davmor2> Riddell: prepare for shipping to end user has no icon in kubuntu menu but has on the desktop
[21:00] <davmor2> Why is there no Ubuntu bug search for available as a search engine ?
[21:15] <ScottK> davmor2: I just use Google anyway.  It's faster.
[21:16] <davmor2> scottK: probably sadly true but it would surely promote another aspect of the *buntu family :)
[21:16] <ScottK> davmor2: I tend to view it more as a separate Canonical product that we use.
[21:17] <davmor2> ScottK: yes I suppose :)
[21:17] <davmor2> I was only enquiring anyway not a finger point :)
[21:18] <ScottK> Of course if they open source it, make it not slow, and make the U/I better for navigation than the url history in my browser, then I might consider different.
[21:20] <davmor2> :D
[22:24] <dtchen> JontheEchidna: sound drivers should be triaged to affect `linux', please. thanks.
[22:24] <dtchen> *not* `alsa-driver'
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> probably still a better place than kdebase :P
[22:25] <dtchen> yes, of course
[22:25]  * JontheEchidna doesn't get people who bump every Kubuntu bug without a package to kdebase
[22:25] <dtchen> i could say the same thing about alsa-driver, alsa-lib, pulseaudio, ...
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:38] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you sponsor this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/341986 ?
[22:38]  * JontheEchidna takes a look
[22:38] <lex79> thx
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> lex79: just curious, where'd the new .desktop file come from?
[22:39]  * JontheEchidna sees some other changes not related to category
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> or are they just general XDG spec compliance changes you did?
[22:40] <lex79> I added Categories=Qt;KDE;Network;
[22:40] <lex79> is wrong?
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> Nah, that's right
[22:40] <lex79> with a quilt patch
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> But the patch also says that this line got lost: Encoding=UTF-8
[22:41] <lex79> I convalidate with desktop-file-validate
[22:41] <lex79> yes
[22:41] <lex79>  Encoding=UTF-8 is deprecated
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> Ah, ok
[22:41] <lex79> :)
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> Just checking ;-)
[22:41] <lex79> and also terminal=0 is deprecated
[22:41] <lex79> now Terminal is boolean
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> Cool, so these are just general XDG compliance fixes
[22:42] <lex79> I have to add in changelog JontheEchidna?
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> It would be nice
[22:42] <lex79> ok
[22:53] <lex79> JontheEchidna: now? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/341986
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> Great!
[22:54] <lex79> ok
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> I would recommend giving upstream the patch too
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> etc
[22:55] <lex79> I will do it
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> :)
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> brb, then I will sponsor
[22:58] <lex79> thanks, I sent a patch to upstream :)
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> Ok, testbuilding
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> (just to be safe ;-)
[23:02] <lex79> uhhhhm
[23:02] <lex79> :)
[23:03]  * ScottK would get grumpy if he found out JontheEchidna wasn't test building.
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> Don't worry, you've set a good example :)
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> I testbuild all uploads I sponsor
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> and mine of course :P
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> Oh, reenabling universe in my pbuilder would probably help, lol
[23:06] <lex79> I think yes :)
[23:08] <lex79> ScottK: ack for this? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k9copy/+bug/339688 :(
[23:09] <ScottK> Someone please make a release announcement and send it to kubuntu-devel .....
[23:09] <ScottK> lex79: Minus points for edge urls.
[23:10] <ScottK> lex79: Give it it's first ack though?
[23:10] <ScottK> lex79: Also next time test before you ask for the FFe.
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> lex79: Out of curiosity, is there any reason kblogger depends on a kde3 version of libkipi?
[23:11] <lex79> ok :)
[23:11] <lex79> I don't know JontheEchidna
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I will have to investigate that then
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> Not your fault of course
[23:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Sponsor lesson #1: It's always the sponsoree's fault.
[23:13] <lex79> :D
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> So basically it doesn't matter who introduced the bug, it's also partly the fault of everybody who didn't notice it?
[23:15] <lex79> Last in changelog for me :P
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> It looks like kblogger's cmake doesn't check for kipi either
[23:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: See rule #1.
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> lex79: if you could remove the libkipi0-dev build-depend, that'd be great. Kipi support is still on the todo list for the KDE4 version
[23:23] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I have to remove or change in libkipi6-dev ?
[23:24] <ScottK> Remove
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> Yeah
[23:33] <lex79> JontheEchidna: done
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> Thx
[23:35] <lex79> me too
[23:59] <jjesse> quick question i just built a jaunty vm and all i have is the login background (sorry not more preicse) even after i login, no applets, no kickoff, nothing, also no crash?