[00:28] <pier> good night
[00:28] <pier> at all
[00:48] <kaddi> hi... i'm trying to connect two laptops to each other with an ehternet cable. but have no idea how to do this. any help? one laptop is running intrepid sie otherone gutsy
[00:49] <doleyb> kaddi: get an ethernet hub, or get a crossover adapter
[00:51] <Slartibartfast> kaddi: there are also special crosss over ethernet cables, but a normal ethernet cable won't work
[00:52] <kaddi> no way to do this like that?
[00:53] <maco> kaddi: if the hardware's new enough it may work
[00:53] <maco> many NICs nowadays can figure out how to work in the absense of a crossover cable
[00:54] <kaddi> what would i have to do to check if my pc will be capable?
[00:54] <maco> try it and see
[00:54] <mefisto__> that's cool maco I didn't know that. so just one of them would need to work, right?
[00:54] <Slartibartfast> maco: mmm i didn't know that ...
[00:55] <maco> if you connect them together and set IP addresses for both with routes that'll let them talk, it should work
[00:55] <maco> mefisto__: i dont know if its one or both
[00:55] <maco> Slartibartfast: i learned this when i had to conect sans-router (so i wouldnt have to change its route settings) to my print server
[00:56] <maco> bf told me that new hardware can detect it so give it a try, and hey, it worked
[00:56] <mefisto__> crossover cables are not hard to find though kaddi. you could even make one yourself if you're into that kind of thing
[00:56] <maco> mefisto__: theyre also not the sort of thing the average person has under their bed
[00:56] <Slartibartfast> thats indeed nice to know ... :-) ...
[00:56] <kaddi> mefisto__ the problem might be, that those aren't really my cables we're talking about.. they're just borrowed...
[00:56]  * maco glances at pile of computer parts under teh bed
[00:56] <mefisto__> maco: ok, so I'm not average
[00:57] <mefisto__> maco: it's when they're ON the bed that it has become a problem :)
[00:58] <kaddi> so what do i do to try and see? that was really my question.. suppose i plugged in, set the eth  connection so that each pc sees the other one as a gateway.. where should i see other pc showing up if it worked?
[00:58] <maco> kaddi: if you can ping the other, it worked
[00:58] <maco> if you want to exchange files, i suggest installing an ftp server on one
[01:04] <genka> hi
[01:05] <genka> could someone help me plz?
[01:05]  * genka has just installed kubuntu and is a mindless pup
[01:06]  * StR|Sangreal is willing to help but doesnt understand the question yet ;)
[01:07] <genka> well i have a few
[01:07] <genka> first one is on Kopete i get html code when someone sends me a message
[01:07] <genka> how do i make it so that it actually sends a message?
[01:07] <StR|Sangreal> hmm not sure
[01:08] <genka> lol
[01:08] <genka> errr
[01:08] <StR|Sangreal> there were some issues as AOL changed their procol standards
[01:08] <genka> i wish the body would show up
[01:08] <genka> at least i could read that
[01:08] <o0Chris0o> Anyone here familiar with AcidRip? I am running into problems, I am currently running 8.10 Hardy Kubuntu. I am trying to rip some music videos off of my dvd disc, the DvD loads fine, when I click to start the process, the program closes
[01:08] <genka> but nothing shows up
[01:08] <genka> hmmmmmm
[01:09] <genka> also is there any way to view my windows directory on kubuntu?
[01:09] <StR|Sangreal> i use pidgin instead of kopete, and i had to manually upgrade to 2.5.5 because the main versions were not compatible with the new aol standards
[01:09] <danub> !compiz
[01:09] <StR|Sangreal> genka
[01:09] <StR|Sangreal> yes you can
[01:09] <StR|Sangreal> first open dolphin
[01:09] <StR|Sangreal> and in the left panel
[01:10] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: it might help diagnosing what's wrong if you start it from commandline, make it crash, then see what the error messages say in konsole
[01:10] <sixofour> i accedently deleted all the bars and menus off my desktop, how do i restore them to tehir default?
[01:10] <StR|Sangreal> there will be sth like "volume vfat0" or similar
[01:10] <StR|Sangreal> its very likely some of other non unix partitions
[01:10] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: I'm not very familiar with the terminal, but getting there, how can I do that?
[01:10] <kaddi> maco: it's a one time thing: i need to get about 5 Gb of data from my old pc to my new one. and i just wanted to avoid using my painfully slow usbdrive. so i don't think ftp is a good solution ;)
[01:11] <genka> no sth on the left lol
[01:11] <genka> i have a dual boot that installed through windows
[01:11] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: start it by typing   acidrip   in konsole, then do what you need to do to make it crash
[01:15] <Slartibartfast> what dpkg command let me see from which package a certain binary is from? .....
[01:15] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: when it's crashed paste what's in konsole at http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and give us the url it returns here so we can look at it
[01:17] <mefisto__> Slartibartfast: maybe you want to install apt-file, then apt-file search <binary-file>  will tell you what package(s) contain that file
[01:17] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: it doesnt give me an error, when I click start, it shuts off, but it gives me an error when it started, I will paste the link here in a sec
[01:18] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130002/
[01:18] <Slartibartfast> mefisto__: Thanks ... will do, just thought there was also some option i could give to dpkg to do that
[01:19] <BluesKaj> genka, wubi ?
[01:23] <usuario> where is Brazil chat?
[01:23] <sixofour> !compiz
[01:23] <kaddi> !br
[01:24] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: can you play any of the chapters and watch them in the preview tab?
[01:26] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: It freezes
[01:27] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: there's also a debug button at bottom left of the the window that will open up a box where you can see messages telling you what acidrip is actually doing in the background
[01:28] <mefisto__> bottom right, sorry
[01:28] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: I actually tried that, but it don't spit out any errors when I try to rip a video and preview it
[01:30] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: in the settings tab, do you have mencoder, mplayer, lsdvd, /tmp/  in the first 4 fields?
[01:31] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: yes I do
[01:31] <usuario> how do i change my name?
[01:32] <Slartibartfast> !root
[01:33] <Slartibartfast> :-P
[01:33] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: do you have a video file you can test mplayer with?
[01:33] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: yes I do one sec
[01:34] <Slartibartfast> Guest19562: if you are root when using irc you are "asking" for problems
[01:34] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: you should have mplayer in your menu, or start it from konsole with    gmplayer
[01:37] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: it plays fine
[01:43] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: can you play the dvd normally in a player?
[01:45] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: or another way to ask the question is, have you installed libdvdcss2 to play encrypted DVDs?
[01:48] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: I'm not sure....I installed the restricted extras
[01:48] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: and yes it plays regularly in dvd player
[01:49] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: so yes, you can play the DVD in a player (eg mplayer) in linux?
[01:49] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: correct
[01:50] <o0Chris0o> sorry for the long reply, had company come in quick
[01:52] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: I'm out of ideas. I can tell you I don't get the       Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton     errors, just       AcidRip message - No configuration file found, nevermind
[01:52] <o0Chris0o> hmmm alright
[01:52] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: have you tried with dvdrip?
[01:53] <o0Chris0o> will it allow me to rip certain chapters? I wint to be able to rip individual chapters in a dvd, not one big file
[01:54] <o0Chris0o> I will give it a try
[01:54] <o0Chris0o> installing now
[01:55] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: it does basically the same as acidrip, but the interface is a little less straightforward
[01:55] <o0Chris0o> alright
[01:56] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: when you load the DVD, there's "specify chapter mode" that you set to "selection" which will then list the chapters
[01:56] <o0Chris0o> alright
[01:59] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: how do I load the dvd? I don't see the option
[02:00] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: rip title tab, read DVD table of contents
[02:02] <iain> hi I've got a problem here with text on screen in KNetwork Manager.  When I hover over the icon the text appears only for a second and is then replaced with a blank box.  When I go into any of the menu's, same thing.  Heck now that I look at it this program is doing the same thing.... there's no names just a list of face icons... until someone types something then the names appear for a second....
[02:02] <iain> anyone know where I should start?
[02:02] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: after ripping the chapter(s) you want, go to the transcode tab and "Transcode" button will turn it into an avi
[02:03] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: odd, its not loading for me, the only tab thats showing for me is Storage Tab
[02:03] <o0Chris0o> the rest is greyed otu
[02:04] <o0Chris0o> aahh missing some of the tools
[02:04] <o0Chris0o> I checked the dependincies
[02:04] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: I was missing xvid4conf and rar
[02:06] <iain> oh well I'll deal with it another time... later all
[02:08] <rmrfslash> how can i watch quicktime in the browser on kubuntu?
[02:08] <rmrfslash> do i need to install something for vlc?
[02:12] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: they arent mandatory files, but I got them anyways, still the rest of the tabs are greyed out except storage
[02:13] <o0Chris0o> ahh nvm mefisto__ I had to create it first :D
[02:13] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: oh, you mean create project?
[02:13] <o0Chris0o> yeah, I didn't do that before
[02:14] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: like I said it's not as straightforward as acidrip
[02:14] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: indeed :)
[02:17] <o0Chris0o> wow 28 hours?
[02:17] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: says fps is 2.6
[02:18] <mefisto__> 28 hours? how long is the video? I just did a test and it made a 3 min avi in about 2 minutes
[02:18] <mefisto__> did you select a chapter? or the whole dvd?
[02:20] <o0Chris0o> it wouldn't let me select at least 1 chapter, so I selected the title of where the videos where
[02:20] <o0Chris0o> I know before in windows, it only took a few hours
[02:20] <KDesk> hi, where can I ask something about kubutnu jaunty?
[02:21] <mefisto__> #ubuntu+1
[02:22] <KDesk> mefisto__:  thanks :
[02:23] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: on the right of the title list, there is "specify chapter mode". if you change it to "selection" it lists the chapters on the right there
[02:24] <goofey> mefisto__: I didn't know that existed - nice!
[02:24] <o0Chris0o> ahhh, I see
[02:26] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: odd, I tried selecting one of the titles and its saying its too small and useless and I should delete it, its 7 minute video
[02:27] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: the title is 7 minutes? or a chapter in a title?
[02:27] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: sorry excuse me the chapter in the title
[02:28] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: either way it should work though. I did a 3 min avi like I said and it work flawlessly
[02:28] <o0Chris0o> yeah I dunno man, :(
[02:33] <o0Chris0o> Still getting same error
[02:33] <o0Chris0o> I have no clue why
[02:36] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: try acidrip again. wouldn't it be nice if it just magically worked now?
[02:36] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: lol, that would be too easy, its ripping a video, I went down further on the chapter to chapter 4 and its ripping, going to wait and check it out
[02:37] <rafael_> jesus is love
[02:39] <rafael_> brasil?
[02:39] <o0Chris0o> transcoding now
[02:40] <hua> :)
[02:40] <o0Chris0o> hmm wasn't even the whole video
[02:42] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: acidrip is working lol
[02:43] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: on chapter 4, must be something with the first 3 tracks that produces an error?
[02:43] <sixofour> so, i'm trying to change my password, when i click the browse button it shows my partitions as empty when they arn't
[02:43] <sixofour> same with any program
[02:43] <sixofour> that borwses the file system
[02:44] <sixofour> like if i brwose to my data drive in amarok, its empty...
[02:44] <Gon> What is the name of the project in launchpad, which corresponds to the package which has the dialogues to add network folders in konqueror/dolphin?
[02:45] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: I just got back, I can't believe my eyes! I was just joking
[02:45] <Gon> i want to add some spanish translations
[02:46] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: it started to go on chapter 4, its freezing up and the encoding status don't seem to be moving :(
[02:47] <o0Chris0o> I also don't even hear my dvd rom moving so I dunno
[02:51] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: how long did it take you to rip a video
[02:52] <sixofour> hrm
[02:52] <sixofour> its saying my drives are empty
[02:53] <o0Chris0o> !rip
[02:58] <mykevelli> anyone available to answer some basic linux (specifically kubuntu) questions?
[02:58] <stealth-> sure
[02:58] <stealth-> ill try, anyways
[02:59] <mykevelli> okay, thanks.  I have pretty extensive experience in windows but i just installed linux for the first time last night :P  I'm trying to figure out how to get my sound working.
[02:59] <mykevelli> im guessing I dont hav a driver for it installed
[02:59] <mykevelli> but really dont have a clue where to start looking
[03:00] <stealth-> sound doesnt work at all, im guessing?
[03:00] <mykevelli> correct
[03:00] <stealth-> one sec, ill do a little research :)
[03:00] <devilsadvocate> mykevelli, can you check if your volume is turned up?
[03:00] <mykevelli> thank you.  this is on a laptop that is roughly a year old, by the way
[03:00] <mykevelli> and yes, my volume is turned up :)
[03:01] <devilsadvocate> mykevelli, also, do you have an intel hda thingy?
[03:01] <stealth-> okay, if you can find the kde program called sound, then it should list the installed drivers, If any
[03:02] <mykevelli> its just called sound?  i have one called Kmix
[03:02] <stealth-> no
[03:02] <mykevelli> devilsadvocate: could you clarify?  im not sure I understand
[03:02] <stealth-> there is also, KDE control module, which may lead to that
[03:03] <devilsadvocate> mykevelli, some of the intel high definition audio chipsets are reported to have issues with some linux distros/versions... if you have intel hda then if nothing works you may have to look into that as a possible source of the problem
[03:03] <mykevelli> I do not see it. no
[03:04] <mykevelli> is there a way to see what the name of my audio card is?
[03:04] <mykevelli> a linux version of Device Manager, if you will.
[03:04] <mykevelli> im honestly, not sure the name of my soundcard, to be honest.
[03:05] <devilsadvocate> mykevelli, there is a device manager _somewhere_ in the kde control panel. simpler way is to just run lspci on a terminal (command line)
[03:06] <devilsadvocate> mykevelli, also, can you pastebin the output of lsmod | grep snd
[03:06] <stealth-> mykevelli: I cant really be of much help here, as of I have never had any experience with linux sound issues. Sorry, but I think devilsadvocate would be more accustomed to helping you
[03:06] <devilsadvocate> !pastebin
[03:06] <mykevelli> i was just about to ask if there was a grep to get just the sound part
[03:07] <devilsadvocate> mykevelli, for lspci, i think you should grep for Audio. that isnt always foolproof. even the snd grep for lsmod is a bit of a guess :)
[03:08] <mykevelli> ah
[03:08] <mykevelli> there is a single line.  should i still pastebin it?
[03:08] <devilsadvocate> you can just paste it then
[03:08] <mefisto__> mykevelli: you could also do   lshw -C multimedia
[03:09] <mykevelli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130027/
[03:11] <mykevelli> mefisto__: here is the result of that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130029/
[03:11] <mykevelli> it is indeed intel hda though
[03:12] <mykevelli> so it may just be the problem devilsadvocate mentioned before
[03:13] <mefisto__> mykevelli: look here, it probably applies to your soundcard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616845
[03:13] <sixofour> how can i search my pc for files
[03:14] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: find / -name filename
[03:14] <sixofour> with a gui
[03:14] <Slartibartfast> ah :-)
[03:14] <sixofour> i'm using dolphin
[03:15] <sixofour> ..and i don't know exact file name
[03:15] <sixofour> firefox downlaoded something but i can't go to download location
[03:15] <sixofour> go to download location
[03:15] <sixofour> and my quotes don't work
[03:15] <o0Chris0o> its usaually set as your desktop
[03:16] <sixofour> is there an auto arrange for my icons
[03:16] <Slartibartfast> ah ... you can open the download manager in firefox again ...
[03:16] <sixofour> wtf i can't type quates
[03:16] <sixofour> quotes
[03:16] <Slartibartfast> CTRL Y
[03:16] <devilsadvocate> mykevelli, you can try following throgh that forum topic. From personal experience, though, i'd suggest you recheck your volume settings (not muted, turned up) once again :)
[03:16] <sixofour> what is ctrl y
[03:16] <sixofour> can't do question marks either
[03:16] <sixofour> actually, my shift doesn't work
[03:16] <sixofour> wtf
[03:17] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: in firefox ... it opens the download windows
[03:17] <mykevelli> devilsadvocate:  im checking into it now.  but im pretty sure its not my volume.
[03:17] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: there you can see the downloaded file ...
[03:17] <devilsadvocate> sixofour, you might have a keymapping issue
[03:17] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: you still around?
[03:18] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: yes
[03:18] <sixofour> the downlaod window is open
[03:18] <sixofour> but i need to find the file
[03:18] <sixofour> on my drive
[03:18] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: I got it to rip a video...finally but I see lines when there is movement from the ppl in the video
[03:18] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: right click the file you downloaded ...
[03:18] <sixofour> ive already said twice that dioesn't work
[03:19] <sixofour> you can't go to download location
[03:19] <sixofour> it asks what program to use to open the download location
[03:19] <mefisto__> o0Chris0o: any movement? or is it extreme, fast motion that causes the lines?
[03:19] <sixofour> man wtf all the sudden my shift keys do nothing
[03:19] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: Sorry ... thought it would say open download folder
[03:19] <sixofour> it does say that
[03:19] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: any movement
[03:19] <sixofour> but that's not what it does when you click it
[03:20] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: also, it doesn't rip the entire video :(
[03:20] <Slartibartfast> In Dolphin you can use CTRL + F
[03:20] <devilsadvocate> Slartibartfast, is strigi indexing enabled by default? (dont think it is...)
[03:20] <Slartibartfast> Hmmm ... not sure
[03:21] <Slartibartfast> just tested with *.avi ... and it just found the files
[03:21] <mefisto__> strigi is supposed to be enabled, but doesn't work. it's not good for searching filenames much anyway, it's great at finding file content
[03:22] <sixofour> so, shift does nothing, any ideas , this is a stion
[03:23] <sixofour> ugh
[03:23] <mefisto__> to use strigi, alt-F2 and type strigidaemon, then alt-F2 strigiclient where you can start indexing, and do a search when enough files have been indexed
[03:24] <Slartibartfast> But when using Dolphin and use CTRL F, doeos this also use strigi ?
[03:24] <o0Chris0o> mefisto__: I am still getting "The Chapter is too small. Its useless"
[03:24] <mefisto__> sixofour: when you right-click firefox downloads and "open containing folder" does anything happen?
[03:25] <sixofour> it asks em what program to open open containign fodler with
[03:25] <sixofour> me
[03:25] <mefisto__> Slartibartfast: no, that's not strigi
[03:25] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: dolphin ?
[03:26] <sixofour> where is dolphin
[03:26] <mefisto__> sixofour: ok, just set it to be /usr/bin/dolphin or /usr/bin/konqueror
[03:26] <sixofour> i have to browse to it from root
[03:26] <Slartibartfast> /usr/bin/dolphin ... i guess
[03:27] <sixofour> there is no application named dolphin
[03:27] <sixofour> or a folder
[03:28] <mefisto__> typo?
[03:28] <Slartibartfast> sixofour: when choosing the application you already see the folder where the file in which it is downloaded
[03:29] <Slartibartfast> you said you use dolphin ... as file browser
[03:37] <mykevelli> devilsadvocate: Mind making sure I'm reading this right before I start trying stuff? My audio card is ALC660VD.  SO i need to go to the section for that and just try appending the things in that list to my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file?
[03:38] <mykevelli> in a line like this:  options snd-hda-intel model=<one word from the group at a time>
[03:43] <devilsadvocate> mykevelli, yeah
[03:50] <klobster> any group I can join to give suggestions to apt-get developers?
[03:51] <klobster> also, hello this is klobster
[03:51] <mykevelli> hmm, what is the undo command in vim?
[03:52] <klobster> in windows : (
[03:52] <Slartibartfast> mykevelli: u
[03:52] <mykevelli> errr, just U?
[03:52] <Slartibartfast> ESC u
[03:52] <mykevelli> ok thanks
[03:53] <mykevelli> is it possible to undo more than one command?
[03:54] <Slartibartfast> mykevelli: yes i think so ... not sure .. can try press u again
[03:54] <mykevelli> :/ it just undoes the undo.
[03:54] <mykevelli> how about just closing this file without saving it.  i tried using the arrow keys and it was entering in capital C and D's instead of moving up and down
[03:56] <Slartibartfast> mykevelli: use :q! close without safe
[03:56] <kamilin> hey
[03:57] <Slartibartfast> mykevelli: maybe you use vi then insead of vim .... ?
[03:57] <kamilin> would sum1 give me a hand?
[03:57] <Slartibartfast> instead*
[03:58] <kamilin> i need to install a package with dpkg but havn't been able to
[03:58] <Slartibartfast> kamilin: dpkg -i .... doesn't work?
[03:59] <kamilin> yup i do dpkg -i but
[03:59] <klobster> fine, fail.  anyone know shuttlewors email address?
[03:59] <mefisto__> mykevelli: try nano instead, it's much easier
[03:59] <kamilin> the last thiing that appears on coonsole is that is configuring
[03:59] <mykevelli> I will as soon as I can figure out how to get out of this file without saving it
[03:59] <klobster> *shuttleworths
[03:59] <kamilin> but no installing at all
[04:00] <mykevelli> I don't know what :q! means.
[04:00] <mefisto__> mykevelli: :q enter  (colon Q enter key)
[04:00] <Slartibartfast> what kind of package ? ... no error messages? ..
[04:01] <Slartibartfast> kamilin: ^^
[04:01] <kamilin> i'm gonna tgry again then i'll tell ya everything
[04:01] <kamilin> *try
[04:01] <kamilin> brb
[04:01] <mykevelli> mefisto__: ahh. thanks.
[04:02] <klobster> go to #vim
[04:03] <Slartibartfast> mykevelli: if you made changes it maybe asks if you want to write out the changes to file ... with  :q! you force to quit without write out the changes
[04:03] <mykevelli> yeah I saw that.  Thanks.
[04:03] <mykevelli> it just didnt seem intuitive (at least to me) to just type colon then q.  i guess i was voerthinkging it
[04:03] <mykevelli> over thinking*
[04:05] <mefisto__> mykevelli: it drives me mad every time
[04:06] <mykevelli> mefisto__: nano seems a lot friendlier :)
[04:07] <o0Chris0o> back
[04:08] <votaguz> hi all, i have a error, when i try copy a directory to my Blackberry SD card y get a Input
[04:08] <votaguz> output error
[04:08] <votaguz> Exist a way to correct errors on the SD card from Konsole ?
[04:10] <kamilin> hey back
[04:10] <kamilin> btw how do i know my bluetooth reference?
[04:13] <Slartibartfast> kamilin: you have installed the kde bluetooth framework ? / can you find kmenu > applications > Internet kdebluetooth4 ?
[04:13] <devilsadvocate> mykevelli, nano is a lot friendlier. after you spend time with nano writing code, though, you realize you need something more, at which point the effort to learn vim is justified
[04:13] <kamilin> im on ubuntu 8.04 with gnome
[04:13] <devilsadvocate> i'm told that holds for emacs wrt vim as well, though, so.
[04:13] <mykevelli> devilsadvocate: ahh I see.  Actually I was wrong earlier.  I was using vi anyways.
[04:13] <Slartibartfast> why then you ask question in #kubuntu?
[04:14] <Slartibartfast> kamilin: ^^
[04:14] <kamilin> cuz it autologged in
[04:14] <Slartibartfast> better ask gnome questions in #ubuntu
[04:14] <kamilin> u_u
[04:14] <kamilin> well ty anyways
[04:15] <kamilin> cya later when i try kubuntu :D
[04:15] <Slartibartfast> kamilin: :-) np
[04:32] <mike_> anyone else having huge problems with k3b in 8.10
[04:32] <Guest12581> anyone else having huge problems with k3b in 8.10
[04:33] <Guest12581> k3b wont burn anything
[04:34] <Guest12581> tells me that dao might fix but that doesn't fix
[04:34] <Guest12581> neither does sudo apt-get purge k3b and then a reinstall
[04:35] <Guest12581> I think it is a problem with the bacjend
[04:35] <Guest12581> -j+k
[04:35] <Guest12581> vbox also wont let me mount the drive but the drive works ifne in windows
[04:40] <oh7fdn> is there known solution to bug that crashes kppp in kubuntu 8.10 when tryin to add phonenumber?
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Guest12581: k3b works fine here
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Guest12581: backend is wodim
[04:46] <Guest12581> (K3bDevice::HalConnection) lock queued for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVDR___PX_810SA
[05:25] <rulo_> hello
[05:25] <rulo_> i need help whit virtualbox im new =)
[05:26] <husayn> oyeee
[05:26] <husayn> where r all of u
[05:26] <rulo_> español?
[05:26] <rulo_> o0
[05:26] <rulo_> hey
[05:26] <husayn> oyee
[05:26] <rulo_> puedes ayudarme xD?
[05:26] <rulo_> con el virtualbox?
[05:26] <doleyb> !es
[05:26] <husayn> naso deso keso
[05:26] <rulo_> #ubuntu-es
[05:26] <rulo_> o0
[05:27] <husayn> espansh na so
[05:27] <husayn> can u chat on urdu
[05:27] <husayn> rulo where r u
[05:27] <husayn> rulo
[05:27] <rulo_> mexico
[05:27] <rulo_> how can change channel to spanish?
[05:27] <husayn> english and urdu
[05:28] <husayn> ask REFAIL nADAL
[05:28] <husayn> :d
[05:29] <doleyb> rulo_: /join #ubuntu-es
[05:29] <mykevelli> im trying to run the command ./configure and I get the error message: "error: C compiler cannot create executables" anyone have any ideas why?
[05:30] <mykevelli> this is the first time I have tried to run this command, by the way
[05:30] <eatThisAndDie> mykevelli, do you have gcc?
[05:31] <eatThisAndDie> if you don't I think you need to install the package build-essential (or build-essentials)
[05:31] <mykevelli> eatThisAndDie: great question.  I dont have a clue.  How can I check?
[05:32] <eatThisAndDie> try just typing 'gcc'
[05:32] <mykevelli> 'gcc: no input files'
[05:32] <eatThisAndDie> yeah you have gcc then.
[05:33] <eatThisAndDie> Is there any other messages before that last line?
[05:33] <eatThisAndDie> generally it would let you know if there are dependencies not met
[05:33] <eatThisAndDie> btw, what you trying to compile?
[05:33] <tweakedeh> How would I clear the temp?
[05:34] <eatThisAndDie> tweakedeh: what temp?
[05:34] <mykevelli> eatThisAndDie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130056/
[05:34] <carutsu> hello everyone!... my laptop is experiencing high temperatures :/ ... and only 1 fan is active (yet all the time)... so I was looking in google and found (and tried) that i should do "echo -n 3 > /proc/acpi/fan/[FAN]/state" well I did it (for all my five fans) but when I cat again all of 'em are shown as off
[05:34] <mykevelli> and I am trying to compile alsa drivers
[05:34] <carutsu> :/ what should I do?
[05:35] <SandGorgon> anybody see the description of the KDE + EXT4 bug on slashdot today - there's a lot of blame laying on the way KDE is maintaining its config files. Not good...
[05:35] <tweakedeh> eatThisAndDie: my temporary files
[05:36] <rulo_> who can helme for activate webcam usb in windows virtualizated in virtualbox i can run it!
[05:36] <carutsu> cat /proc/acpi/fan/C32[4567]/state shows off, off, off and on (i'd preffer them all auto)
[05:36] <eatThisAndDie> mykevelli: 1. you'll need to check the config.log, it could be trying to wirte to a folder you don't have the permissions to.
[05:36] <DaSkreech> tweakedeh: which temporary files ?
[05:36] <tweakedeh> DaSkreech: /tmp
[05:36] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: Why is that not good
[05:37] <tweakedeh> all of them.
[05:37] <DaSkreech> tweakedeh: They are cleared every day and everytime you reboot
[05:37] <tweakedeh> k
[05:37] <DaSkreech> any particular reason you want them gone now?
[05:37] <DaSkreech> !webcam
[05:37] <carutsu> !temp
[05:38] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: well the bug report mentions a lot of ways in which the writing of config files assumes ext3 behavior - so any change of filesystems essentially breaks it
[05:38] <eatThisAndDie>  mykevelli: 2. if (1) applies, you could try setting the --prefix flag to a folder that you knw you have permissions to. i.e /home/USERNAME/opt/APPLICATIONNAME
[05:38] <eatThisAndDie> !tmp
[05:38] <eatThisAndDie> !/tmp
[05:38] <carutsu> !temperature
[05:38] <carutsu> =?
[05:38] <carutsu> !fan
[05:39] <mykevelli> eatThisAndDie: yeah i did open that file but i'm really not sure what i'm looking for.  nothing particularly jumped out at me.
[05:39] <eatThisAndDie> you wanna try pastebin-ing it?
[05:39] <mykevelli> eatThisAndDie: sure
[05:40] <eatThisAndDie> mykevelli: perhaps you could try the prefix flag
[05:40] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: Still not sure why that's bad
[05:40] <DaSkreech> or to be more accurate. Not good
[05:40] <mykevelli> eatThisAndDie: I'm not sure how to do that (only been using linux for about 24 hours).  care to clarify?
[05:41] <eatThisAndDie> private then
[05:41] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: oh it simply corrupts them and then ... reinstall time! (bug 317781)
[05:41] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: Well then don't use ext4 :)
[05:43] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: dont think that's exactly the solution now is it - it is interesting in the way, KDE is breaking, but Gnome is not
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Gnome breaks as well
[05:43] <DaSkreech> anything that writes small files often breaks
[05:44] <mefisto__> I've got a kubuntu jaunty install using ext4 and it's humming along nicely so far
[05:44] <DaSkreech> well and doesn't fsync(fd) before writing
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Aparently XFS has the same issue and I've been running XFS for about 3 years now with no issues
[05:45] <SandGorgon> the fact that it hasnt hit you  does not mean it does not exist - it looks like a fairly wide-reported bug
[05:45] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: but to address the it's Not good statement ext4 is not in production use and this was found out before it was deployed and long before it's in common use so how is it bad ?
[05:47] <mefisto__> DaSkreech: clearing /tmp daily, is that a debian thing, or just ubuntus? I'm assuming it's a cronjob that handles that?
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Yes check your /etc/cron.daily
[05:48] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: ext4 is marked as stable - it is intended to go into production, not in beta. There are some patches going to go in 2.6.30 that will minimize the effect, however that in no way mitigates the fact that these issues need to br resolved.
[05:48] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: Right and they were highlighted before ext4 is in wide usage. Why is it bad?
[05:50] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: ok i am missing something here - are you suggesting that the fixes be done in ext4? because if KDE does not play nice with a FS, intended for production use, it looks to be "bad"
[05:50] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: Huh?
[05:51] <maco> note: gnome and kde both have the issue
[05:51] <SandGorgon> maco: correct - but what is the solution ?
[05:51] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: It's been pointed out a few times already
[05:52] <DaSkreech> which again is why I was interested why this is bad :)
[05:53] <maco> SandGorgon: ted said there was a different function call that should be used to force it to actually write, didnt he?
[05:53] <maco> he also suggested using a db instead of a billion text files, but :(
[05:53] <DaSkreech> It's the same one that Firefox tried to patch out for 3.0.3
[05:53] <maco> the lack of text files is why i quit e17
[05:53] <SandGorgon> maco: fsyncdatawrite.. ur right on that one
[05:53] <DaSkreech> It flushes the entire file buffer to the disk
[05:53] <DaSkreech> which is really sucky for performance as he noted
[05:53] <SandGorgon> i think patches went into sqlite to allocate memory in chunks rather than on every alloc
[05:54] <SandGorgon> this fixed (will fix) the problem
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Right so he said that the configuration of applications needs to be rethought the seperation of all apps delineeated databases rewritten and then all will be well
[05:55] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: does it sound a bit too close to the Windows Registry ???? i begin to get palpitations on that one
[05:56] <DaSkreech> It does
[05:56] <DaSkreech> plus it drops the robustness of the system quite a bit in my view
[05:56] <DaSkreech> but as I pointed out this has been found out quite early so over all it's quite good
[05:58] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: i hope so too
[05:58] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: a) you can run ext4 in ext3 mode so if push comes shove distros will ship with it like that
[05:59] <DaSkreech> b) ext4 knows the extent of the issue so they will make some compromises as you noted with some patches
[06:00] <DaSkreech> hopefully the kernel will patch at some point that the filesysnc isn't so damned if you do damned if you don't for large scale app writers
[06:00] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: what is worrying is that the last few comments of the bug reports mentions not pulling in the patches (for the 2.6.30 kernel which remedies this issue with file truncation) for Jaunty
[06:00] <DaSkreech> and for the long term we can build a solid config system that satisfies UNIX requirements and is both performance and robust friendly while allowing recovery
[06:01] <DaSkreech> SandGorgon: They will probably just flip on ext3 compatibilty then
[06:01] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: true...
[06:02] <DaSkreech> so you lose the performance edge for ext4 in daily use but get the other perks
[06:02] <DaSkreech> in any case ext4 isn't default in Jackalope
[06:03] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: and IMHO neither should it be marked as stable to use
[06:03] <DaSkreech> What?
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Jackalope and ext4 ?
[06:04] <SandGorgon> DaSkreech: KDE and ext4
[06:04] <SandGorgon> or gnome
[06:04] <DaSkreech> so we have the CLI only release \o
[06:05] <SandGorgon> except the home partition (with the dotfiles), i think it can be used for production use
[06:05] <SandGorgon> that's what i meant
[06:05] <DaSkreech> depends on how often they are written out? :)
[06:06] <SandGorgon> my bad.. correct
[06:27] <DarkriftX> if i need to back my entire system to a new drive (drive failing) would i be able to do just a full system backup and place that on the new drive and have it run?
[06:27] <DarkriftX> i know on windows systems there is more to it so im unsure on the exact method
[06:27] <DarkriftX> make partition bootable, install grub and files? would that be al i needed to do?
[06:41] <nihl> ...
[06:49] <BattleStarJesus> How do I turn on a toolbar from a terminal
[06:59] <branden> I'm obviously in the wrong place my version is hardy heron
[07:09] <DaSkreech> BattleStarJesus: edit the config file I would guess
[07:35] <kc1n> is there a way to set the wallpaper for the lock screen ?
[07:35] <kc1n> im using Kubuntu 8.10
[07:35] <DaSkreech> seperate from the desktop ?
[07:36] <kc1n> DaSkreech:the desktop one would be fine
[07:36] <DaSkreech> I think you can
[07:36] <DaSkreech> plasma on screensaver might facilitate that
[07:36] <DaSkreech> never checked
[07:37] <kc1n> DaSkreech:ok
[08:17] <noren> hi all
[08:35] <Tinason> greetings. im having an issue with amarok. i cant seem to get the main window on the screen. when i click 'restore' in the tray incon's context menu, it shows me the really small 'winamp-looking' with the graphical frequency display
[08:35] <Tinason> i would really like to change to the main amarok window, o kubuntu geniuses
[08:45] <noren_> hi al
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Tinason: Ah you are using 1.4 ?
[08:49] <Tinason> yes
[08:50] <DaSkreech> It has a mini mode
[08:51] <vlt> Hello. What does the "footprint" icon in kmail or akregator, for example, mean?
[08:52] <doleyb> footprint?? that's the gnome logo..!
[08:53] <Tinason> ah i see
[08:53] <Tinason> thanks
[08:53] <nikos> Hello, I am using kubuntu jaunty alpha 5 and it seems that plasma has some memory leak, consumes about 35% cpu and becomes unresponsive over time. Is this some known issue ?
[08:54] <DaSkreech> vlt: I'm assuming you are using some custom theme :)
[09:07] <elsdfr> hi, i installed and had flash working but now i load firefox and i just get a grey box.. im using kubuntu64
[09:08] <adi1> hi all
[09:09] <adi1> how can I activate the horizontal scroll in touchpad of a dell laptop on kubuntu hardy?
[09:09] <adi1> anyone any idea?
[09:09] <adi1> thanks
[09:13] <adi1> hello is anyone in here?
[09:13] <elsdfr> no
[09:14] <DaSkreech> !tsynaptics
[09:14] <DaSkreech> !synaptics
[09:14] <DaSkreech> ^^
[09:15] <noren> DaSkreech; u there
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Yes
[09:16] <noren> can u help me get kubuntu installed on external usb hard disk
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Let me know if you have problems but I can't promise to stay around
[09:19] <oh2lcq> great, I edit sudoers end must done some mistake, sudo won't work cause of that, root maybe have some password but I never set it up?
[09:20] <oh2lcq> is there default password for root?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> oh2lcq: no
[09:21] <oh2lcq> so, I installed kubuntu and never tell root password
[09:21] <oh2lcq> installing program never ask password for root
[09:22] <oh2lcq> can't use sudo can't use root
[09:24] <oh2lcq> any hints?
[09:24] <thefish> oh2lcq: you cant just use sudo?
[09:24] <DaSkreech> oh2lcq: live CD and fix it
[09:24] <DaSkreech> thefish: He used sudo to edit sudo and locked himself ot of sudo
[09:24] <thefish> ah saw your messedup sudoers :)
[09:24] <thefish> hehehe
[09:24] <thefish> nice
[09:25] <thefish> oh2lcq: like DaSkreech says then, the only way is to either boot to single user (recovery mode), or livecd and fix the sudoers
[09:25] <oh2lcq> and dunno root password, it never set
[09:25] <thefish> by default root has nopassword
[09:25] <thefish> its not enabled
[09:26] <thefish> boot to a live cd, mount your pc's hard drive, look for etc/sudoers, edit it, profit
[09:26] <oh2lcq> ahaa, authentication failure can mean that too
[09:27] <oh2lcq> so i have to do, 13 years of Suse and RedHat, this newer happenet
[09:28] <thefish> i know, i am neary in tears myself
[09:30] <altrortla> hello... there's a way to know what kind of Audio sistem is used and what is the programm that use it?
[09:32] <beardbar> guys i just made the switch from vista to kubuntu, was having so much fun. then I rebooted and now im getting a kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot... message, ive googled and tried all suggestions but nothing seems to work. happened right after i clicked on an nvidia app in the system settings, forgot what its called
[09:33] <altrortla> #ubuntu
[09:34] <beardbar> telling me to go there?
[09:34] <thefish> beardbar: kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot is not a bad thing, i think you probably have a messed up X config
[09:35] <thefish> beardbar: did you change any of the settings in the nvidia app that you opened?
[09:36] <beardbar> thefish: didnt get a chance, it just went to terminal and hung for 5 minutes so I rebooted.
[09:36] <beardbar> thefish: tried repalcing xorg.conf with xorg.conf.failsafe
[09:36] <thefish> ok, and now you just have a black screen?
[09:36] <thefish> ah and failsafe also doesnt work?
[09:37] <beardbar> nope, i just get the kinit failure and login prompt. when i try startx i get no screens found
[09:37] <mgk> this sometimes happens when teh swap partion gets messed up
[09:37] <mgk> try this
[09:37] <mgk> reboot, press escape to bring up the grub menu
[09:38] <mgk> and try one of the recovery mode options
[09:38] <mgk> does it give you a terminal then?
[09:38] <beardbar> gives me a reovery menu 6 options
[09:38] <thefish> mgk: swap breaks x?
[09:39] <mefisto__> ever since someone asked about the gnome foot logo, it's been bugging me. why a foot?
[09:39] <mgk> not as far as i know, but it wont even get far enought to start x if the swap is messed up
[09:39] <thefish> mefisto__: its all here: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/GNOME
[09:39] <beardbar> mgk: i have 6 choices resume/clean/dpkg/fsck/root/xfix
[09:40] <mgk> thats from the grub menu?
[09:40] <beardbar> no, thats what loaded up after choosing recovery mode form the grub menu
[09:41] <mgk> ok two secs let me load a vm
[09:41] <DaSkreech> mgk: Yea the new recovery is a menu
[09:41] <beardbar> mgk: thanks man
[09:41] <DaSkreech> with some choices
[09:41] <DaSkreech> if he chooses root he gets what you are used to
[09:41] <mgk> ok cool choose root :)
[09:42] <DaSkreech> mefisto__: Gnome's have big feet
[09:42] <beardbar> ok
[09:42] <mgk> when you get to a prompt, try sudo fdisk -l
[09:42] <mgk> that will list your partitions and types
[09:42] <mgk> is ther one that says swap?
[09:42] <mgk> will be something like /dev/sda2 or similar
[09:43] <mefisto__> DaSkreech: you'd think they would try not to draw attention to the big footprint of a DE
[09:43] <thefish> lol
[09:43] <DaSkreech> KDE has a larger footprint on first boot
[09:44] <thefish> mefisto__: read the uncyclopedia article on kde as well, just for a balanced view :)
[09:44] <beardbar> mgk: checking now, i have 3 hard drives installed and its scrolling offscree :(
[09:44] <mgk> ok type
[09:44] <mgk> sudo fdisk -l | grep swap
[09:45] <thefish> cat /proc/swaps
[09:45] <mgk> that | is a pipe, its next to the z key if your not familar
[09:45] <mgk> cat /proc/swaps is easier :) didnt know that one
[09:45] <thefish> swapon -s is the same :)
[09:46] <Machtin> hi guys.. i got a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P, but Kubuntu 8.10 doesn't show any ethernet device when i do sudo ifconfig -a..
[09:46] <beardbar> got it
[09:46] <beardbar> mgk: dev/sda6
[09:46] <mgk> ok so were goign to stop using that partition as a swap one and then re format it as a swap partiion
[09:46] <Machtin> i really have no clue how to get that thing activated/installed.. whatever.. could anyone of you guys help me with that?
[09:46] <mgk> so sudo swapoff /dev/sda6
[09:47] <mgk> will stop using it
[09:47] <mgk> tehn try sudo mkswap /dev/sda6
[09:47] <mgk> will re do  it as swap
[09:47] <beardbar> ok done
[09:48] <dapper-daniel> Machtin: use google to find out which ethernet chip is on the mainboard
[09:48] <mgk> then sudo update-initramfs -u to update
[09:48] <thefish> Machtin: lspci may help with that as well
[09:48] <beardbar> done
[09:49] <Machtin> kay, i'll just check that chip
[09:49] <mgk> ok so did it do somethig like update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-9-generic
[09:49] <beardbar> something like that yes
[09:49] <thefish> Machtin: in lspci output, look for ethernet, or network
[09:49] <mgk> cool beans, give it a reboot and see if that helped
[09:49] <Machtin> kk, will do!
[09:50] <Machtin> Realtek RTL8111D <- that's what google told me
[09:50] <thefish> Machtin: afaik that should just work
[09:51] <Machtin> hm, but that would have to show up at ifconfig, no?
[09:52] <thefish> Machtin: try `sudo modprobe r8169`
[09:52] <beardbar> mgk: well that got rid of the kinit error, now i just get the login prompt rather then booting into kde. when i login and type startx i get a no screens found error
[09:52] <mgk> did you remove your xorg config or somethiing similar?
[09:53] <thefish> Machtin: that should just return you to a prompt, no messages
[09:53] <beardbar> ya i had replaced xorg.conf with my xorg.conf.failsafe earlier
[09:53] <Machtin> thefish, dapper-daniel thank you!
[09:53] <mgk> ok try rebuilding it with
[09:53] <mgk> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[09:53] <Machtin> i have absolutely no clue why.. but it just works..
[09:53] <mgk> and then sudo /etc/ini.d/kdm restart
[09:54] <mgk> and then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[09:54] <mgk> missed the t
[09:54] <thefish> Machtin: you just loaded the kernel module that makes it work, the "driver"
[09:54] <mefisto__> Machtin: so it's there now?
[09:54] <Machtin> actually i'm feeling kind of an idiot.. but i prefer that above having no network device
[09:54] <dapper-daniel> how can I restart all the plasma stuff (desktop, kicker etc)
[09:54] <Machtin> it indeed is
[09:54] <Machtin> but i didn't do anything.. just booted again
[09:54] <Machtin> and i rebootet 3 times yesterday..
[09:54] <Machtin> just to make really really sure..
[09:54] <beardbar> mgk: ok done, should i try startx now?
[09:55] <mgk> can do , or try restarting kdm
[09:55] <mefisto__> Machtin: so you might need to figure out why the module isn't loading on boot as it should
[09:55] <Machtin> sorry for having bothered you guys, and a big thanks again! :)
[09:55] <Machtin> mefisto__: i didn't load it manually.
[09:55] <Machtin> i mean.. i didn't even do the modprobe..
[09:55] <beardbar> mgk: i tried the restart but it just said stopping k display manager, starting k display manger and brought me back to the prompt
[09:55] <mefisto__> Machtin: oh, ok
[09:56] <mgk> ok does startx work?
[09:56] <Machtin> sorry and thanks again :)
[09:56] <beardbar> nope still get no screens found, giving up kinit: connection refused / unable to connect to X server
[09:58]  * dapper-daniel needs to knwo how plasma can be restartet
[09:59] <mgk> you mentioned this happened due to something to do with nvidia?
[09:59] <mgk> did you uninstall any X stuff?
[10:00] <Machtin> dapper-daniel: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/GettingStarted <- at the very bottom.. does that work maybe? :)
[10:00] <mgk> maybe do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop xserver-common xserver-xorg   to ensure its all there
[10:01] <beardbar> mgk: ya - updated my nvidia drivers, i got the propietary warning prompt and installed em because I wanted to setup my 3 monitors.
[10:02] <beardbar> then i restarted and it all this happened. trying your suggestion now
[10:03] <beardbar> it does say no devices detected as well
[10:05] <mgk> ok, sorry X is not my forte, its something that usualyl makes me cry as i use ati, maybe someone else can help who has more experince with nvidia and x?
[10:05] <StR|Sangreal> hello
[10:05] <StR|Sangreal> pls i have been using kubuntu intrepid amd64
[10:06] <beardbar> no problem, you been more then enough help, thank you so much mgk
[10:06] <StR|Sangreal> and installed visual garbage patch
[10:06] <mgk> np good luck :)
[10:06] <StR|Sangreal> after upgrading to kde42 the visual performance went worse
[10:07] <StR|Sangreal> and actually all my kde is much slower
[10:08]  * |redwizardstudio sticks to 32bit kubuntu :P
[10:08] <StR|Sangreal> how can i 1. remove or update the visual garbage patch 2. use some autodiagnostic to fix kde?
[10:09] <koksy89> ?
[10:11] <thefish> StR|Sangreal: you mean desktop effects?
[10:11] <mefisto__> StR|Sangreal: you know everyone is now thinking "what did you say about my mother?!!"
[10:12] <thefish>  ^ that
[10:12] <thefish> :)
[10:13] <thefish> if you can figure out what some people mean in irc, you have a special gift
[10:13] <StR|Sangreal> no
[10:13] <StR|Sangreal> nothing to do with compiz
[10:14] <thefish> kde desktop effects are not compiz
[10:14] <thefish> otherwise you could just apt-get remove visual_garbage_patch
[10:14] <thefish> then invert the phase variable of course
[10:15] <StR|Sangreal> i am rather not sure which packages were responsible for the garbage fixes
[10:16] <StR|Sangreal> i am googlin out the article right now
[10:16] <StR|Sangreal> but
[10:16] <thefish> i dont think anyone but you knows what you mean by the garbage fixes
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:17] <thefish> word
[10:21] <StR|Sangreal> ok about the garbage thing... if you install kubuntu on ati or nvidia included notebooks, kde flickers and newly opened windows are first displayed as a mess of colors
[10:22] <altrortla> hello... there's a way to know what kind of Audio sistem is used and what is the programm that use it?
[10:22] <StR|Sangreal> and someone developed something to dampen these... i am not really sure but i think they caled this phenomenon *visual garbage*
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: its common, are you using kde 4.2?
[10:23] <StR|Sangreal> hmm i have installed thath something, yet on 4.1
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: i remember someone a while back giving a like with a new set of xorg maybe (it was months back) that fixed that
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: are you running compiz?
[10:23] <StR|Sangreal> after upgrading to 4.2 that something started being counterproductive
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: my compiz did that a bit
[10:23] <StR|Sangreal> yes i am
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> that may be why, i had it exactly the same (compiz breaks a lot of stuff)
[10:24] <StR|Sangreal> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/?p=211
[10:24] <StR|Sangreal> this was what i did follow
[10:25] <ibuffy> and i'm back :)
[10:25] <StR|Sangreal> and its called video garbage, not visual garbage :-[
[10:26] <ibuffy> i'm using kde 4.1.x why?
[10:26] <ibuffy> i'm on intrepid
[10:27] <xiliu> Hi, in Kubuntu, are there any text editor like gedit in Ubuntu ? thanks
[10:27] <mgk> kate
[10:27] <ibuffy> sources.list: http://dpaste.com/13396/
[10:27] <ibuffy> xiliu ^
[10:27] <ibuffy> kate
[10:27] <xiliu> ok thanks
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: its something like that, im unsure. i ditched all that naff ages ago, LXDE ftw
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> xiliu: you also get kwrite as well
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> xiliu: no idea why
[10:28] <ibuffy> is kde 4.2 not the default for intrepid?
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> ibuffy: it is for jaunty, you can install 4.2 for intrepid easily
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> KDE 4.2 out http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> add the repo (if you really want to use the ppa kde4.2) then sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:30] <StR|Sangreal> thefish: ok the term was video garbage, and i attached a reference link... could you try to treat it now?
[10:31] <ibuffy> i'd like to try 4.2 but i don't wan to experience dependency hell again, i'll stick with the default
[10:32] <mefisto__> ibuffy: you could try out the jaunty livecd if you want to just try it out
[10:32] <ibuffy> i've tried it, it's great
[10:32] <ibuffy> i'll wait until the next kubuntu release
[10:33] <ibuffy> !audio
[10:33] <ibuffy> i thought arts was deprecated
[10:34] <mefisto__> bot is behind the times
[10:38] <thefish> StR|Sangreal: i am running 4.2 here without compiz, and I dont experience problems, maybe try going to 4.2?
[10:38] <thefish> it is very easy to do
[10:39] <StR|Sangreal> i am on 4.2
[10:39] <thefish> ah, disable compiz?
[10:39] <StR|Sangreal> the garbage started to mess up after upgrade
[10:39] <thefish> you got more flickering etc after the upgrade?
[10:39] <StR|Sangreal> yes
[10:40] <thefish> did you try to disable compiz?
[10:40] <mefisto__> and remove that "garbage" ppa? or do you still need it?
[10:40] <SandGorgon> wait.. why is compiz needed for KDE - shouldnt kwin be doing all that?
[10:40] <thefish> exactly
[10:40] <StR|Sangreal> hmm i dont know
[10:41] <StR|Sangreal> i have installed from distro dvd intrepid
[10:41] <StR|Sangreal> and just upgraded
[10:41] <StR|Sangreal> most of things are on default
[10:41] <thefish> you are sure its compiz, not ust kwin effects?
[10:41] <SandGorgon> i suggest u run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" with the backports enabled in apt's update repositories
[10:42] <ibuffy> hmm
[10:42] <ibuffy> i know at some point i donwloaded skype using apt-get
[10:42] <ibuffy> wonder why it's not there now
[10:42] <StR|Sangreal> hmm its probably not compiz
[10:43] <StR|Sangreal> i dont have any process beginning with compiz* running
[10:43] <SandGorgon> ibuffy: run kbuildsycoca4 from cmdline
[10:44] <ibuffy> eh?
[10:44] <mefisto__> StR|Sangreal: someone on that link you posted says there is a nvidia driver that fixes the problem. so if you have that driver installed, you shouldn't need that ppa
[10:45] <bentob0x> how can I lower my screen resolution?  It's currently on 1920x1200 and I want it on 1650x1080 but the appearance settings doesn't offer me any choices?
[10:45] <SandGorgon> ibuffy: that updates system menus, etc. with the software you actually have installed
[10:45] <bentob0x> it's for my laptop
[10:46] <beardbar> mkg: whats the best way to possibly do a fresh install?
[10:46] <ibuffy> SandGorgon: ah, thanks. but this is a fresh install and i'm just wondering why i can't find skype in the repos
[10:46] <mefisto__> !info skype
[10:47] <mefisto__> ibuffy: did you get it from medibuntu maybe?
[10:48] <StR|Sangreal> !skype
[10:49] <StR|Sangreal> plas where can i find sources.lst?
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.list
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: make a backup copy first
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.list /boot/grub/menu.list_old
[10:50] <StR|Sangreal> curious
[10:50] <StR|Sangreal> i dont have the repository now
[10:50] <StR|Sangreal> whence its probably not installed as well
[10:51] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: what's with all the gnome commands?
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: i bounce between the rooms so i get confuddles
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> ;(
[10:52] <StR|Sangreal> ok my primary problem is to fix video garbage
[10:52] <StR|Sangreal> please could sb help me with that?
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: use kdesudo kate instead of gksudo gedit
[10:55]  * ActionParsnip thinks there should be an xsudo for both systems instead of gksudo/kdesudo
[10:57] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: or maybe at least a common name for both
[10:59] <bentob0x> how can I lower my screen resolution on my laptop?  It's currently on 1920x1200 and I want it on 1650x1080 but the appearance settings doesn't offer me any choices what so ever?
[10:59] <mefisto__> !fixres
[11:00] <mefisto__> bentob0x: that link has an example xorg.conf
[11:01] <mefisto__> bentob0x: you need to generate modelines for your desired resolution with gtf or cvt
[11:01]  * StR|Sangreal only wants to ge rid of video garbage for now :/
[11:02] <Guest35450> can I let kmail iconize in the icon's bar??
[11:02] <bazhang> StR|Sangreal, with compiz or not
[11:03] <mefisto__> StR|Sangreal: what about trying that nvidia beta driver mentioned on that blog?
[11:03] <StR|Sangreal> without compiz
[11:03] <bazhang> StR|Sangreal, this is 8.10?
[11:03] <StR|Sangreal> which process should be running in case of having compiz fusion on?
[11:05] <mefisto__> StR|Sangreal: on my hardy install it's compiz.real
[11:05] <husayn> can Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy be upgraded to KDE 4.2 ?
[11:06] <bentob0x> lol @ fixres :)
[11:06] <bentob0x> thx mefisto__
[11:06] <mefisto__> husayn: don't think so husayn.
[11:06] <StR|Sangreal> hopefully no compiz so far
[11:07] <husayn> ok tel me an easy......... way to install SAMBA on Hardy
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> husayn: sudo apt-get install samba
[11:07] <husayn> using Adept ...... when i type SAMBA and search there are a lot of searches almost 15 ....... should i install them all ?
[11:07] <husayn> thanks ActionParsnip
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> husayn: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-install-kde-42/   will get you kde 4.2 in hardy  just change the word intrepid to hardy and you will use hardy debs
[11:09] <husayn> I installed Interpid on my Home laptop IBM T42....... but when i installed its alternative graphics driver.. the X disappeared
[11:09] <husayn> i have ATI readon mobile 7500 chip on it...
[11:09] <husayn> the X window disappeared and i had to ... reinstall Kubuntu
[11:09] <husayn> and then finally i switched back to Windows XP
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> husayn: you didnt have to reinstall, just run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xser-xorg
[11:10] <husayn> ahh i didnt knew that !!!
[11:10] <husayn> secondly at office i have Dell Optiplex... Interpid hangs on the Startup of KDE while hardy works fine
[11:11] <husayn> i have read in articles that there is problem with the Dell Optiplex devices.. they have problems with Interpid
[11:11] <noren> hi there , my laptop harddisk is making a lot of crackling sound and not booting up is there a way to fix the damage part of the hardisk
[11:12] <mefisto__> husayn: this page has helped me a few times getting out of ati troubles: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[11:12] <noren> i installed kubuntu on an exxternal hard disk but its also not booting from that
[11:12] <klems> aie seems to be death that 1
[11:12] <husayn> i think its an old laptop
[11:12] <[-Haza-]> Morning folks. Im pretty sure my kubuntu 8.10 (kde 4.2) GUI is going a little nuts. (icons disappearing ect). IS there a terminal command i can use to "refresh" my desktop GUI?
[11:12] <noren> husayn: yes quiet old
[11:12] <klems> ctrl + alt+ backspace and relog
[11:12] <husayn> noren try replacing the HDD
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> [-Haza-]: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old   will reset all kde apps as well as kde itself settings to defaults
[11:13] <husayn> it will consume a lot of time ... reparing that one and finally its not good to repair that old hardisk
[11:14] <husayn> anyone know how to search hardisk in Kubuntu ?
[11:15] <Guest99373> the windows are using the space of the taskbar, how can I stop this behavior??
[11:15] <mefisto__> husayn: search for what? filenames? commandline or gui?
[11:15] <husayn> Guest99373 are you using 8.10
[11:15] <Guest99373> yes
[11:15] <husayn> filenames  mefisto
[11:15] <husayn> Guest99373 right click on the taskbar and click remove... or something like that.. its called Pannel
[11:15] <husayn> remove pannel like that
[11:16] <klems> did he wanted to delete?
[11:16] <husayn> just remove
[11:16] <Guest99373> but if I remove it, how can I see the task bar?
[11:16] <klems> you see
[11:16] <husayn> I want to know... how to search filename
[11:16] <Guest99373> ok
[11:16] <klems> he probably wants it always on top
[11:16] <makdaknife> husayn:  in the shell or in the gui?
[11:17] <husayn> GUI
[11:17] <klems> you right click on the panel, panel settings
[11:17] <Guest99373> kelms: I need the windows do not use the same area
[11:17] <mefisto__> husayn: locate <filename>   (if it's a new file, you can   sudo updatedb   to make sure the database locate uses is current)
[11:17] <klems> in the black bar that came up you can select more options on you're right
[11:17] <Guest99373> but I dont see any option in panel settings..
[11:17] <makdaknife> mefisto__: that depends if locate is installed... also that's in the shell not the gui...
[11:18] <Guest99373> even in "more options"..
[11:18] <ibuffy> anyone have success with akkregator connecting to gmail?
[11:18] <ibuffy> s/gmail/google reader
[11:18] <mefisto__> makdaknife: that's all very obvious :)
[11:18] <klems> you select always visible
[11:19] <Guest99373> is selected.. actually now the all panel has a windows frame with the buttons minimize,maximize and close jajaja
[11:19] <mefisto__> husayn: ctrl-F in konqueror or dolphin
[11:19] <Guest99373> after I re-select "always visible"
[11:19] <klems> it's ok now?
[11:19] <husayn> Thanks
[11:20] <makdaknife> mefisto__: was just saying ;-) btw, didn't know about ctrl-F in konqi
[11:20] <Guest99373> klems: no, is not.. the all panel has a windows-frame
[11:21] <Guest99373> I think is a issue with compiz..
[11:21] <klems> can be
[11:21] <Dr_willis_AAO> mixxing kde4 + compiz  - is often not a good idea
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> compiz is usually the issue
[11:22] <mefisto__> husayn: you said you have hardy, right? kfind used to be in my kmenu, but it's disappeared. it's still installed though, so you might find it in your kmenu
[11:22] <Guest99373> I fixed.. I just move to emerald.. and is ok
[11:22] <Guest99373> :=
[11:22] <Guest99373> thanks :)
[11:23] <klems> ok ^^
[11:23] <klems> anyone know how to start programs on a selected desktops at startup?
[11:23] <mefisto__> husayn: but my favourite gui search tool in hardy is searchmonkey
[11:24] <Dr_willis_AAO> klems,  ages ago  i used a program called 'kstart' i think to do such a task.. but im not sure if its in kde4 , or of theres a newer/better way
[11:24] <klems> kstart --desktop 2 program works but not on startup
[11:24] <husayn> how to start saerchmonkey
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> !startup | klems
[11:25] <mefisto__> husayn: you need to install it first: sudo apt-get install searchmonkey
[11:25] <Dr_willis_AAO> make the startup script pause a few seconds then run the kstart whatever, command
[11:25] <husayn> Downloading........
[11:25] <klems> ubottu gonna try that
[11:26] <husayn> dont you guys think this Ubuntu box need an internet connection whenever we try to install something :)
[11:26] <Dr_willis_AAO> !bot | klems
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> i love when folks talk to the bot
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> ubottu how are you
[11:31] <mefisto__> ubottu the meaning of life
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> i love you ubottu
[11:31] <mefisto__> aww, he didn't fall for it
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> he usually says something about getting crushed by something and ravaged by wolves
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> or similar
[11:33] <Dr_willis_AAO> !love
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> thats it
[11:34] <remoteCTR1> hi folks!
[11:34] <panos4ever> hi
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> ice-weasels   wolves, s'all the same
[11:34] <remoteCTR1> how do i edit the sources.list to enable backports in kubuntu, please?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> !backports
[11:35] <noren> ActionParsnip: any suggestion to lock the damage poprtion of the hard disk
[11:35] <remoteCTR1> hi ActionParsnip and thanks:)
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> noren: you could find out where it is an make a partition around it
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> noren: then just leave it alone
[11:36] <mefisto__> noren: it's only going to get worse though
[11:36] <Dr_willis_AAO> id be saving up for a new hard drive....
[11:36] <noren> the prob is with my old laptop i thought of installing kubuntu on external usb hard disk and boot from it but it also failling
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> noren: i'd check the ram in the system then
[11:37] <noren> its 256 mb , the system stop at the GRUB
[11:37] <mefisto__> noren: grub error? or boot fails after that?
[11:37] <noren> system stop after displaying GRUB and a blinking cursor
[11:39] <husayn__> when i click properties...  on folder and click share and then open the share window i cant add another path infact i m in root mode
[11:39] <noren> i was trying to get an external botable hard disk set up so that i dont have to use the laptop's harddisk
[11:39] <Dr_willis_AAO> this is form booting the USB drive noren ? or the main hard drive?
[11:39] <Dr_willis_AAO> Getting a external usb hd bootable with a 'normal install' - can often be tricky
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> noren: check ram is ok then you will need to find at what point the badness occurs and create partitions before and after it, this will leave the bad blocks alone. I would suggest cutting your losses and buying a new HDD
[11:40] <noren> Dr_willis_AAO: i had configured the system bios to boot from the external usb first
[11:40] <Dr_willis_AAO> noren,  and like i said getting the drive to boot properly with a 'normal' install to a usb drive may be the issue
[11:41] <Dr_willis_AAO> grub may be looking at the wrong hd now that its installed/booted from the usb hd. for one issie.
[11:41] <Dr_willis_AAO> hard drive 'devices' can jump around.
[11:41] <noren> Dr_willis_AAO: yes this may be a prob but is there fix for that alos
[11:42] <Dr_willis_AAO> with booting external usb things.. ive found that its often a hit or miss proposition
[11:42] <Dr_willis_AAO> I have machines that boot some but not all of my thumbdrives properly...
[11:42] <Dr_willis_AAO> but the thumbdrives do work in other machines..
[11:42] <husayn__> which is the best virtualization in Kubuntu software
[11:42] <husayn__> like in Windows it was VMWARE
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> !best | husayn
[11:43] <Dr_willis_AAO> husayn,  best is relative..
[11:43] <Dr_willis_AAO> :)
[11:43] <Dr_willis_AAO> i perver virtualbox in windows..
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> husayn: windows also has virtualbox too
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> husayn: linux has both also
[11:43] <Dr_willis_AAO> vmware - has gotten too... 'overkill' for my needs
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> !vmware
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> !virtualbox
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> !qemu
[11:43] <Dr_willis_AAO> !dosbox
[11:43] <Dr_willis_AAO> :(
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> husaynthere is no best
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis_AAO: dosbox rocks
[11:44] <beardbar> anyone else running a nvidia 9800gt?
[11:44] <Dr_willis_AAO> dosbox lets me play my old dos games. :)
[11:45] <mefisto__> Dr_willis_AAO: and you still have those games? impressive
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> husayn__: there is no best of ANYTHING in life, its only best to you. Millions will agree, millions will disagree. popularity does not equal best
[11:45] <Dr_willis_AAO> mefisto__,  i got several large box's of old games. :)
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis_AAO: get sid and al's incredible toon machine ;)
[11:45] <husayn__> i know... but qemu seems to be difficult one to configure
[11:45] <husayn__> there is VMWARE player for Kubuntu but not a VMWARE WOrkstation i think
[11:45] <Dr_willis_AAO> ActionParsnip,  :) ive been playing FreeCol lately.
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> husayn__: read the vmware factoid above
[11:46] <Dr_willis_AAO> Problem i have now is tthat my AAO netbook can only do 600xXXXX res.. so some games/programs dont display right if the  windows are too tall.
[11:46] <Dr_willis_AAO> i need to remberhow to set up a scrolling virtual screen
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> husayn__: depends what the box is for, some people use virtualbox as its easy, some tout vmware for its features yet it is closed source
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> husayn__: try a few, try them all
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> husayn__: see which you like
[11:47] <mefisto__> Dr_willis_AAO: 5 1/4 inch floppies?
[11:47] <Dr_willis_AAO> mefisto__,  i got a few of those also
[11:47] <Dr_willis_AAO> mefisto__,  and box;s of C64 software
[11:47] <husayn__> okey let me install VIrtualBox
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis_AAO: get dukenukem3d, install the high res pack and get eduke :)
[11:50] <Dr_willis_AAO> anyone recall the 'feature' years ago commonly used. where you could have a large size 'desktop' and  on a lower-res/size monitor pan around the desktop? its not commonly used any more. but was used a lot back then. (1990's)
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis_AAO: my system did that on its own a while back
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis_AAO: my xorg.conf had someting like  Mode "1024x768 @ 1600x1024_75' or something weird  like 2 resolutions for 1 mode
[11:53] <Dr_willis_AAO> yea - now a days when it happens.. people think its a bug.. :) but it used to be a feature
[11:53] <mefisto__> you add a Virtual line in xorg.conf to get that, don't you?
[11:53] <Dr_willis_AAO> Notsure.. googling for examples.. and reading man pages now
[11:54] <Dr_willis_AAO> tried to enable it last night - but vouldent figure it out
[11:54] <Dr_willis_AAO> i couldent get
[11:54] <Dr_willis_AAO> i couldent get    Virtual xdim ydim
[11:54] <Dr_willis_AAO> to do anything in the xorg.conf :
[11:55] <Dr_willis_AAO> Video modes which are too large for the specified virtual size will be rejected. If this entry is not present, the virtual screen resolution will be set to accommodate all the valid video modes given in the Modes entry.
[11:56] <Dr_willis_AAO> so.. lets see.. if i wanted a 1600x1024 'virtual' scrolling desktop..  the way i read that man page.. thats not wher i set it at.
[11:58] <mefisto__> Dr_willis_AAO: Some drivers/hardware combinations do not support virtual screens. <<- maybe that's why?
[11:58] <Dr_willis_AAO> Hmm.. its a feature of X however.. not really of the drivers from what i recall ages ago.
[11:58] <Dr_willis_AAO> i imagine theres a upper limit to the size ofthe virtual desktop based on video ram
[11:58]  * Dr_willis_AAO googles some more
[11:58] <mefisto__> Dr_willis_AAO: maybe trying it with vesa driver first will be easier to figure out
[11:59] <beardbar> i just wish nvidia 9800 gt would work with 8.10
[11:59] <Altin> hey
[11:59] <Altin> can anyone recommend any partitioning software for linux (with a gui)
[11:59] <Dr_willis_AAO> gparted is the defacto tool for that Altin
[12:00] <Dr_willis_AAO> mefisto__,  heres some  info on it. :) No tubuntu specific.. but looks goodl
[12:00] <Dr_willis_AAO> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.archlinux.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D34569&ei=i_i4SfqjKOHAtgfvodSnBg&usg=AFQjCNHwVaT4NwIpOovtJ5oTx7sy3c4oRw&sig2=Ees76FTcWFWyyfLeBeTH-w
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Altin: dont ask in both channels, only as in the channel relevant to your distribution of ubuntu (ubuntu or kubuntu)
[12:00] <Dr_willis_AAO> Love google :)
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> love ask.com
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> love msn search
[12:01] <Dr_willis_AAO> ask.com 'how do i use google'
[12:01] <Dr_willis_AAO> :)
[12:01] <Dr_willis_AAO> go ask jeeves
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> use them all
[12:01] <Dr_willis_AAO> ya dont hear mich about that one any more
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> using only one for tricky searches imho is ignorant
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> different search algorithms, different results
[12:02] <Dr_willis_AAO> its not tricky once ya figure out what to serch for. :)
[12:02] <Dr_willis_AAO> but most all thehits i get are 'its doing this scrolling desktop thing.. how do i make it stop' :)
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> i use loads
[12:02] <Dr_willis_AAO> not how to enable it.
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> its like researching in one library the way i see it
[12:03] <Dr_willis_AAO> The things i do for games. heh
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> you wanna use lotsa libraries
[12:03] <Dr_willis_AAO> wesnoth dont like the short res. :(
[12:08] <adi_> hi all
[12:08] <adi_> how do i make doplhin as root
[12:08] <adi_> ?
[12:08] <Dr_willis_AAO> !kdesudo
[12:08] <adi_> kdesu dolphin does not work
[12:09] <Dr_willis_AAO> running gui file managers as root can be a VERY VERY bad idea
[12:09] <adi_> im on interpid kde 4.2
[12:09] <adi_> ok
[12:11] <adi_> I did kdesudo dolphin and dolphin opens but there is no content in it
[12:11] <adi_> it says somthing like probs with klauncher or something
[12:11] <Dr_willis_AAO> its because the other kde services are running as a user.. not root so the 2 are not talking pehaps..
[12:11] <Dr_willis_AAO> if i want a 'root' file manager. i use 'mc' in a terminal..  i feel thats safer
[12:12] <adi_> what is "mc"?
[12:12] <Dr_willis_AAO> !info mc
[12:12] <Dr_willis_AAO> a must have tool :)
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis_AAO loves the mc
[12:13] <adi_> does this MC have a gui?
[12:13] <Dr_willis_AAO> install it and see. :)
[12:13] <Dr_willis_AAO> its like the old dos/2 pane file managers
[12:13] <adi_> so sudo apt-get install ms?
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> adi_: it runs in a terminal, its not too bad
[12:13] <Dr_willis_AAO> does a text/ansi  windows count as a gui. :)
[12:13] <Dr_willis_AAO> when you got to do a lot of file manageing over ssh.. its very handy also
[12:14] <gorgonizer> adi_: you could always try Krusader, which has a specific root-user mode :)
[12:14] <adi_> why can't I just make some gksu nautilus/thunar like in kde?
[12:14] <Dr_willis_AAO> if you 'launch' a video file with it.. it can play them in mplayer with the ascii option..so you can watch videos  in the console  :) in ascci animation
[12:15] <Dr_willis_AAO> even using  nautilus as root - can have  issues...  people often learn the hard way that its not a good idea
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> you can run mplayer without an xserver anyroad ;)
[12:15] <adi_> oh I see but im not that much into the system
[12:15] <adi_> I know what I do in file sys
[12:16] <adi_> I just want to be able to use dolphin or konqueror as root
[12:16] <Dr_willis_AAO> one Big problem withrunning the filemanger as root.. it  if youhave 2 of them running.. which one is the root one?
[12:16] <adi_> so anyone anyidea?
[12:17] <adi_> in kde 3 was somthing like that
[12:17] <adi_> like extensions or somthing
[12:17] <Dr_willis_AAO> kdesu dolphin
[12:17] <Dr_willis_AAO> worked here..
[12:17] <adi_> it does not work
[12:17] <peace_> Dr_willis_AAO: well the icons are different
[12:18] <adi_> it says could not start procces
[12:18] <adi_> cannot talk to klauncher
[12:18] <Dr_willis_AAO> it has to spawn some kde services first..  it does so here..
[12:18] <peace_> adi_: have u killed kde?
[12:18] <adi_> no
[12:18] <Dr_willis_AAO> but my main user is not running kde.. so im actually running dolphin in gno,me
[12:19] <adi_> ok i go kdesu dolphin, than dolphin opens and there is no file in it just blank
[12:20] <Dr_willis_AAO> put in an address /address bar?
[12:20] <Dr_willis_AAO> if its opening the /root/ dir  it maybe empty>
[12:21] <Dr_willis_AAO> bye alll.
[12:22] <adi_> this is what I get: Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: The name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by any .service files.
[12:22] <adi_> after "kdesu doplphin"
[12:23] <mefisto__> adi_: logout/login will probably fix that
[12:25] <adi_> ok thanks
[12:31] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs
[12:32] <kosmofield> Is it possible do a case sensitive sort of a file with the sort command in linux? :|
[12:33] <wolfgang--> hi guys.. i started "knetworkmanager" but can't find the symbol nowhere.. should be next to the clock, no?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> ghostcube: not bad, shame the systems only dual quad core, stick it in a cray
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> ghostcube: or get SCSI SSD ;)
[12:39] <mefisto__> wolfgang--: ctrl-esc and search for it to see if it's running
[12:46] <mgk> Lifrym01@h
[12:46] <mgk> :s
[12:47] <altrortla> #php
[12:47] <altrortla> !php
[12:51] <bigjocker> !gnomesux
[12:51] <bigjocker> bah
[12:51] <bigjocker> this is not a kde bot
[12:51] <bazhang> bigjocker, please /msg ubottu
[12:53] <mgk> i found it funny :(
[12:54] <mgk> not rolling arround side splitting funny but still it made me smile
[12:54] <Sipox> moin
[12:58] <adi_> hi all again
[12:59] <adi_> what should I do to make konqueror read flash content
[12:59] <adi_> ?
[12:59] <adi_> where does konqueror goes to search for adobe flash player?
[13:00] <adi_> Im looking for that file but cant find
[13:01] <wolfgang--> mefisto__: it is running
[13:02] <personman> i usually put the flash plugin in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ then use konqueror's option to scan for plugins
[13:03] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip: hehe but nice data rates
[13:03] <ghostcube> 2059 gb/s
[13:03] <ghostcube> :D
[13:05] <mefisto__> adi_: it's normally at /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so    but you can put the .so file anywhere and point konqueror to the location
[13:06] <mefisto__> wolfgang--: kill it and try starting it again?
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> ghostcube: true but thats due to the array, PCI-e scsi with 256Mb cache and SCSI SSDs would smoke it
[13:06] <ghostcube> hehe
[13:06] <wolfgang--> mefisto__: did so several times :/
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> btw y'alls pidgin 2.5.5 is in repos so if you got yours from get deb I suggest you uninstall it then reinstall from the repo
[13:20] <mefisto__> wolfgang--: what about trying to start it from konsole to see any errors?
[13:21] <wolfgang--> mefisto__: none.
[13:21] <wolfgang--> doesn't give any output
[13:22] <wolfgang--> i thought it might be that some part of the taskbar is missing
[13:22] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Folks
[13:22] <wolfgang--> hi BluesKaj
[13:22] <wolfgang--> where these symbols use to be.. because when i close kopete, there also is no icon next to the clock
[13:23] <wolfgang--> and i finally got it back
[13:23] <wolfgang--> thanks mefisto__ :)
[13:24] <wolfgang--> i must have accidentely closed that part of the taskbar.. sorry
[13:24] <BluesKaj> wolfgang-- , have you tried using add widgets like task manager ?
[13:25] <mefisto__> wolfgang--: so what did you do to get the icon to appear?
[13:25] <wolfgang--> added a widget.. "system bar" or something like that
[13:25] <wolfgang--> i'm on a german computer.. which is somewhat confusing.. my dad uses it.
[13:26] <BluesKaj> your dad into linux ?
[13:26] <wolfgang--> and he didn't want it to be english.. but on my computer, i have set everything concerning linux to english
[13:26] <wolfgang--> no, he saw it at my computer and wanted to try it, now he has a new one.
[13:28] <wolfgang--> however, thanks again :) gotta quit and reboot. bye guys :)
[13:28] <BluesKaj> yeah, like my old dad's swedish typewriter :)
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: if you run an ls -s command with the args backward by mistake, does it destoy the data?
[13:50] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: I don't know. I don't even understand the question :P
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: ok you have some data on an ntfs partition that you want nicely linking to a link in ~/
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: normally you run: ln -s /mnt/ntfspartition/folder ~/linkname
[13:51] <mefisto__> oh, ln -s ?
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> yeah
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> wat if you run:  ln -s ~/linkname /mnt/ntfspartition/folder
[13:52] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: not absolutely sure, but I think you just get a message that the file already exists or the like
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: phew, some dude in #ubuntu ran a similar command and i was worried
[13:54] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: just tried it and got: ln: creating symbolic link `file.txt': File exists
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> itd be ln -sf to force create ;)
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> thanks for putting my head at rest
[13:55] <mefisto__> I'd be in trouble otherwise. I can never remember which way it goes, target link-name
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> heehehe
[14:01] <beardbar> Hi, anyone here run 3 monitors?
[14:02] <JuJuBee> genii: Did you ever look to see what you installed to get BlueRay playing ?
[14:08] <corigo1> !aac
[14:21] <corigo1> Any recommendations on a GUI app from ripping AAC files?
[14:25] <Ornedan_> How does one enable mouse wheel emulation on a trackpoint in Intrepid? In Hardy, 'Option "EmulateWheel" "on"' in xorg.conf did it, but it seems Xorg in Intrepid no longer respects those settings
[14:26] <ipac> holas cmoo
[14:26] <ipac> alguien de argentina
[14:27] <Ornedan_> Also, how does one reduce the eyecandy? It seems to be making the GUI lag. To the extent of ~0.2s delay between keypress and character appearing in konsole
[14:29] <lilM> hi there :)
[14:29] <matze_german> someone here?
[14:29] <matze_german> need help with my kubuntu :P
[14:30] <matze_german> anyone not idlin here? :P
[14:31] <corigo1> matze_german: best just to ask
[14:31] <matze_german> okay :)
[14:31] <matze_german> well my problem:
[14:31] <matze_german> I've tried to connect to my beamer
[14:31] <matze_german> after a restart it worked.
[14:32] <matze_german> but my panel was lost
[14:32] <matze_german> is lost
[14:32] <corigo1> !abcde
[14:32] <matze_german> if I right-klick and say add panel
[14:32] <matze_german> it opens a panel on the up site of my screen
[14:33] <matze_german> but not on the bottom
[14:33] <matze_german> and please, excuse my english :D
[14:34] <ghostcube> matze_german: hmm oder probiers im de channel
[14:34] <ghostcube> :D
[14:34] <ghostcube> !de
[14:34] <matze_german> ja
[14:34] <matze_german> oder so
[14:34] <matze_german> :D
[14:34] <corigo1> matze_german: if it is on the top of the screen can you drag it to the bottom?
[14:36] <antoranz> guys..... can you help me with a kde problem (4.2) on jaunty?
[14:36] <antoranz> cause it's mutin on ubuntu+1
[14:36] <antoranz> mutis, I mean
[14:37] <cavlak> turk yokmu
[14:38] <Ornedan_> How does one enable mouse wheel emulation on a trackpoint in Intrepid? In Hardy, 'Option "EmulateWheel" "on"' in xorg.conf did it, but it seems Xorg in Intrepid no longer respects those settings
[14:38] <Ornedan_> Also, how does one reduce the eyecandy? It seems to be making the GUI lag. To the extent of ~0.2s delay between keypress and character appearing in konsole
[14:39] <ipac> hello a todos
[14:48] <Faust-C> i wonder why kubuntu seems so slow and "crashy"
[14:48] <Faust-C> i have 4G ram, decent proc
[14:48] <Faust-C> and i cant find the option to enable hibernate when i close laptop lid
[14:48] <Faust-C> anyone provide assistance
[14:49] <Faust-C> documentation rather
[14:50] <Faust-C> futhermore dolphin and konq both crash when i try to access webdav shares
[14:51] <XPS_M1330> anyones uises iopete?
[14:51] <XPS_M1330> kopete
[14:52] <Faust-C> yeah i couldnt get jabber to work
[14:52] <XPS_M1330> How can I turnoff those annoying notification messages everytime someone sends a message? should I just change messenger client?
[14:52] <Faust-C> XPS_M1330: in the settings somewhere look for notifications
[14:53] <noren> Faust-C: whats the prob with jabber
[14:53] <XPS_M1330> Faust-C:  that's the first thing I looked for, there's no notification tab
[14:53] <Faust-C> noren: couldnt get it to work
[14:54] <Faust-C> XPS_M1330: look thru all the tabs its there somewhere
[14:54] <XPS_M1330> actually, there's onein the system settings
[14:54] <noren> Faust-C: i use it for google talk what was the prob
[14:54] <XPS_M1330> I would expect them to be in kopete's
[14:54] <Faust-C> noren: kopete just wont coonect to jabber, says its not supported
[14:54] <Faust-C> but PSI works fine
[14:55] <beardbar> has anyone been able to achieve 3 monitor setup with 8.10?
[14:55] <Faust-C> beardbar: i think that really depends on your vid card
[14:55] <beardbar> running dual 9800gt
[14:56] <noren> Faust-C: ass in for jabber account of google chat
[14:56] <beardbar> I have dual mode working semi ok. ready tons of threads but can't seem to find the answer
[14:56] <XPS_M1330> why did the gnome power manager just appeared in my kde tray? can't turn if off!
[14:56] <Faust-C> noren: lol
[14:57] <Faust-C> beardbar: are you using the nvidia binary driver?
[14:57] <noren> Faust-C: mulitple typos << sorry :(
[14:57] <Faust-C> i got dual to work fine on my laptop
[14:58] <beardbar> faust-c: im using NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-180.29
[14:58] <Faust-C> beardbar: you used jockey to install the driver right
[14:59] <Faust-C> XPS_M1330: i wish i could figure out how to make laptop lid go into hibernate
[14:59] <Faust-C> brb
[14:59] <beardbar> my dual works, but the login screen on boot is like right between the monitors so its frustration, and when i maximize a winow it takes up both monitor, i actually downloaded it from nvidia then ran the install via the console
[15:00] <Faust-C> beardbar: well i use the one from repos and it works fine
[15:00] <Faust-C> i have one monitor setup for 'primary'
[15:01] <XPS_M1330> Faust-C: make laptop hibernate when you close lid?
[15:01] <beardbar> guess i';; try some new settings
[15:01] <Faust-C> XPS_M1330: yeah
[15:01] <Faust-C> suspend to disk
[15:02] <Faust-C> it works if i use tray icon
[15:02] <XPS_M1330> selecting that option in guidance doesn't work?
[15:02] <Faust-C> yeah but i want to close lid
[15:02] <Faust-C> like in ubuntu
[15:03] <XPS_M1330> Faust-C when you left-click on the battery icon, it opens up guidance power manager. at the bottom of the window there "When laptop lid closed" then a choice between do nothing, lock screen, suspend, hibernate and shutdown.
[15:04] <Faust-C> XPS_M1330: heh i didnt see that lemme look
[15:04] <XPS_M1330> On my laptop it does what I selected (lock screen) when I close lid
[15:04] <XPS_M1330> that's funny
[15:11] <XPS_M1330> Faust-C: did it work?
[15:15] <Faust-C> wow zoned out
[15:16] <Faust-C> XPS_M1330: TY!
[15:16] <Faust-C> awsome now im semi happy
[15:17] <XPS_M1330> semi?
[15:18] <Faust-C> well the general desktop is laggy
[15:18] <Faust-C> like if i click to open folder it takes a while to respond like a few seconds
[15:19] <Faust-C> or if i switch workspaces
[15:19] <XPS_M1330> well KDE is bloated...
[15:19] <Faust-C> all effects are turned off
[15:19] <Faust-C> yeah but shouldnt be this laggy, 3.5 wasnt (last i recall) and ubuntu isnt laggy
[15:19] <edgar> #kubuntu-es
[15:19] <XPS_M1330> checkout the CPU policy. Mine is powersave (minimal CPU speed) when I'm on battery, performance when on AC
[15:20] <Faust-C> guess kde4 isnt ready but i like kmail, basket, etc
[15:20] <Faust-C> ah yes
[15:20] <XPS_M1330> yeah basket is usefull for work
[15:20] <Faust-C> and kmail actually works well w/ imap unlike evolution
[15:20] <XPS_M1330> I realise I don't use KDE apps much, though
[15:21] <Faust-C> i use general qt apps
[15:21] <XPS_M1330> I had a lot of trouble with evolution with encoding, accents appear all funky
[15:21] <XPS_M1330> I use opera's internal mail client
[15:21] <Faust-C> not to mention i hoped webdav was working w/ dolphin and konq
[15:21] <Faust-C> cause nautilus doesnt support webdav
[15:21] <XPS_M1330> the contact list handler is far better than anything else, and I've tried a lot of mail clients
[15:22] <XPS_M1330> what's webdav?
[15:22] <XPS_M1330> omg it's so sunny outside
[15:22] <Faust-C> XPS_M1330: its sorta like a network share
[15:22] <Faust-C> but w/ apache or IIS (if IIS supports webdav)
[15:23] <XPS_M1330> ok
[15:23] <XPS_M1330> too bad it's so crazy cold
[15:24] <JuJuBee> Every time I log in (kde4.2) my screen is fairly dark.  I use Fn+F6 to brighten it.  How can I set this to default?
[15:28] <DaSkreech> noren: Got through?
[15:30] <noren__> -*+
[15:30] <noren__> *++
[15:50] <blip-> hi all,  I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 and wanted to add KDM themes, so I downloaded themes as .zip files from KDE-Look.org.... KDM3 themes to be precise.  but the System Settings tool doesn't let me install them..   It keeps saying the file is not a valid KDM theme archive.   any ideas ?
[15:52] <ronin_> Ive been having problems with text rendering strangely in Kubuntu, it doesn't seem isolated to a single app
[15:52] <ronin_> either text doesn't show up at all or it shows up too large for its containing box
[15:53] <blip-> why is installing a theme so hard, why use some strange format
[15:54] <dima_> hi, everyone. How could I find out what filesystem is there on a partition?
[15:56] <blip-> ok got it.  turns out some idiot released his theme as a .zip file and tar.gz are what's expected...
[15:56] <Guest8100> hi, I need the tool png2eps, any idea how to install it?
[15:57] <X-TREME81> back
[15:57] <ronin_> dima_ from command line or from your desktop?
[15:57] <X-TREME81> schade das es das wicd nicht gibt hier des tool finde ich spitze
[15:58] <giarca> !lighttpd
[15:59] <demi> Guys I messed up adding a repo addy in adept and it wont open.
[15:59] <demi> and Synaptic gives the following error
[15:59] <ronin_> dima_: whatever, just install gparted
[15:59] <demi> E: Type 'sudo' is not known on line 49 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:59] <demi> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[16:00] <demi> how can I fix this so it will load right?
[16:00] <corigo1> seeking GUI app that will rip AAC. Suggestions?
[16:00] <makdaknife> demi: it looks like you have corrupted your sources.list file
[16:01] <makdaknife> demi: you will need to open it in an editor and go to line 49 to remove the offending line
[16:01] <makdaknife> demi: which probably contains 'sudo'
[16:03] <demi> im using "sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list" but it wont let me delete any of it.
[16:04] <corigo1> demi: something like sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list (Kate will open a temp file which should resolve the editing issue)
[16:05] <makdaknife> corigo1: sound juicer apparently rips AAC
[16:05] <demi> Thanks Corigo1, I got it now.
[16:07] <giarca> !squid
[16:12] <demi> im trying to add the repo for medibuntu for my codecs.
[16:12] <corigo1> Anybody ever use abcde? I don't know what to do when cddb returns multiple possible matches
[16:12] <demi> what is the repo I need to add?
[16:13] <demi> what part of this do I add in for medibuntu repo?
[16:13] <demi> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/intrepid.list --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[16:15] <makdaknife> demi: that is a command that you should run on the command line
[16:15] <makdaknife> demi: it will handle updating your sources for you
[16:16] <makdaknife> demi: it downloads the list of additional sources and puts them into your config
[16:18] <demi> im trying to install this for mp3 playback
[16:18] <demi> libxine1-ffmpeg
[16:18] <demi> Cant get apt-get to work=\
[16:19] <demi> nm got it working..
[16:24] <demi> is there a codec package I can install to enable mp3 support? that one fiel didnt do the trick.
[16:28] <corigo1> faac
[16:28] <corigo1> demi: faac
[16:30] <corigo1> demi: sorry that's mp4... try all the ffmpeg libs
[16:30] <demi> ive installed that package, and ffmpeg packages, and still no mp3 support.
[16:30] <corigo1> In which app? Amarok?
[16:31] <demi> yea I want to play mp3's in that and/or audacious
[16:31] <corigo1> demi: sorry to ask a Windowish question... have you restarted?
[16:32] <Ornedan_> Upgrade of Hardy -> Intrepid broke my laptop's suspend button. How do I manually conf it?
[16:32] <demi> I'll try that
[16:33] <hw> !mcp65
[16:38] <demi> Everytime I restart kde, my resolution goes to 1600x1200, and I get these akonadi errors, every restart, what could be wrong?
[16:39] <corigo1> demi: any luck on the MP3 issue?
[16:39] <demi> yea, works fine now in amarok, just not audacious
[16:40] <klinac> #ubuntu
[16:40] <klinac> ^^
[16:40] <corigo1> I downloaded Audacious yesterday and uninstalled it 5 minutes later. Terrible app
[16:41] <corigo1> demi: did you install something to connect to your ipod or other mobile device?
[16:41] <demi> no
[16:41] <corigo1> because Akonadi is related to PIM
[16:42] <demi> Could the akonadi be causing my screen resolution to go to 1600x1200, from 1280x960 each restart?
[16:42] <corigo1> what about your video driver? Default or proprietary?
[16:42] <demi> proprietary
[16:45] <corigo1> hmm... mis-translated acronym. PIM in this case is a much broader definition. Yes, it could be at fault it is very deep in KDE: http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/
[16:45] <Ornedan_> Which configuration file sets the properties shown by "xinput list-properties"?
[16:46] <corigo1> demi: personally I recommend making the effort to move up to 4.2 it is definately more stable.
[16:47] <pucko-> demi, may be that your monitor wrongly reports that resolution as the default during X startup..
[16:48] <corigo1> true, you could set it to a fixed resolution instead of Auto
[16:50] <tyler_d> looking for a program to make a bootable usb key?
[16:50] <tyler_d> ie. an install iso on a usb key
[16:50] <corigo1> <- feeling less than useless and quiting while I'm ahead.
[16:50] <nkat> now i have intrepid, how can i install jaunty over intrepid ibex ?
[16:52] <Haza> Afternoon gents im having some troubles with Kubuntu 8.10 (KDE4.2.x)
[16:52] <Haza> My taskbars just seem to disappear for no reason
[16:53] <Haza> in fact.. so does my desktop as well
[16:53] <Haza> I can still move through the oen windows using alt+tab... but
[16:53] <Haza> And i didn't get any popup error to tell me of a crash
[16:54] <Haza> How can i go about trying to debug this?
[16:55] <Haza> Is there a command i can run in a shell to restart my KDE? or something like that?
[16:55] <Haza> (without having to relog)
[16:57] <jussi01> hrm...
[16:57] <jussi01> anyone know an equivalent for this? http://www.applian.com/flvplayer/download_flv_player.php
[17:01] <Ornedan_> Which configuration file sets the properties shown by "xinput list-properties"?
[17:09] <makdaknife> Haza: try this: kquitapp plasma; plasma
[17:18] <hw_> Anyone here with MCP65 High Definition Audio hardware?
[17:18] <hw_> I have no sound :(
[17:19] <hw_> snd_hda_intel driver is loaded
[17:35] <doleyb> jussi01: well just use mplayer to view those.  get it from medibuntu
[17:40] <chris-rc1> hi
[17:40] <JuJuBee> genii : any info for me on playing blueray?  Cant get mplayer installed as per web directions.  failed on trying to configure --enable-gui
[17:41] <Binded> stupid question here i have a x64 system with 4 gigs of ram and the live cd or what ever only lists 2.7   how do i over come this
[17:41] <chris-rc1> how can i best use desktop search on intrepid? (nepomuk?)
[18:17] <Faust-C> hell he left
[18:17] <Faust-C> i had a solution to the ram issue
[18:19] <nadie> hola
[18:19] <thorns> hola
[18:20] <nadie> de donde eres
[18:20] <nadie> thorns:
[18:20] <thorns> nacer: ^^ -- don't speak Spanish :P
[18:20] <nadie> k
[18:20] <thorns> nacer: I'm sorry
[18:20] <nadie> whay?
[18:20] <nadie> :)
[18:21] <thorns> nadie: Look closely. I've directed my message to someone else by mistake.
[18:22] <peaches> so tell me how the xorg.conf is supposed to be set up for HAL
[18:23] <jhutchins_wk> peaches: ?
[18:23] <peaches> jhutchins:  i dunno i think an upgrade rewrote xorg.conf "update-manager" to set it up for HAL but i broke it
[18:24] <peaches> got a lot of this now # commented out by update-manager, HAL is now used
[18:26] <peaches> but then it was all mangled . i tried to fix it. then it worked. now it doesnt
[18:26] <chris-rc1> stupid question, but how can i use strigi?
[18:27] <peaches> chris-rc1: in system settings advanced tab desktop search
[18:27] <peaches> turn it on then type up a storm in alt+f2 thing
[18:28] <Haza> Hmm, my taskbars keep disappearing on me :(
[18:28] <Haza> I have to ctrl+alt+backspace to relog everytime
[18:28] <Haza> but im not getting a crash error :(
[18:28] <peaches> you mean panels, dont you
[18:28] <Haza> peaches: Thats right yes
[18:28] <peaches> does your desktop disappear
[18:29] <Haza> well actually... the panels and the deskyop disappear
[18:29] <peaches> or just panels
[18:29] <Haza> peaches: Thats right
[18:29] <Haza> Both
[18:29] <peaches> what kubuntu version
[18:29] <Haza> 8.10 (KDE4.2.x)
[18:29] <peaches> no idea
[18:29]  * Faust-C hasnt had to many problems
[18:29] <peaches> just kidding, what happens when you press alt+f12 after they crash
[18:30] <Haza> Hmm, i will have to give it a try peaches
[18:30] <peaches> if the runner box comes up, type plasma to restart it
[18:30] <Haza> Let me see if i can get it to crash again :)
[18:30] <chris-rc1> peaches: it's written there "Failed to contact strigi indexer"
[18:30] <peaches> if it's a later version package of kde, type plasma-desktop instead
[18:31] <peaches> chris-rc1: does it say something about cant find name of org.kde.strigisomething orother
[18:31] <peaches> Haza: if the little box doesnt come up then instead log ctrl+alt+Fn to another terminal, login, and type DISPLAY=:0 plasma &
[18:32] <peaches> if you use :0 display
[18:32] <Haza> peaches: Okay. noted. I will ping you if it happens again and those options fail
[18:32] <Haza> peaches: And thank you
[18:38] <chris-rc1> peaches: sth similar, yes
[18:42] <truenex> Hola :)
[18:42] <sileo> ciao
[18:43] <truenex> Alguien habla español xD ?
[18:43] <sileo> !list
[18:43] <Pici> !es | truenex
[18:43] <jamesjedimaster> truenex: hello, if you look for help in spanish you maybe try #kubuntu-es
[18:43] <truenex> OK ! =)  Thnx ! :)
[18:51] <sileo> !list
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> hey all, with .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ where are the icons sourced from, some have their icon as a single word without a path
[18:57] <noren> hi
[18:58] <noren> !flash
[18:59] <chris-rc1>  i am trying to use strigi, but it tells sth about not being able to start the indexer...
[19:00] <guimarca> hi
[19:01] <sixofour> what program can let me on kubuntu connect to a computer on my network using XP, transfer a 9gb file, then get it back after i reformat?
[19:02] <sixofour> reformating the kubuntu
[19:03] <jamesjedimaster> sixofour: you can transfer files using samba
[19:04] <guimarca> i have a problem with firefox and flash plugin in ubuntu
[19:04] <guimarca> can anybody help me?
[19:04] <|redwizardstudio> GRRR
[19:05] <sixofour> how do you start samba after you get it?
[19:05] <sixofour> samba in konsole does nothing
[19:06] <noren> guimarca: whats the prob ??
[19:06] <guimarca> I can not to see video with firefox
[19:07] <noren> !flash | guimarca
[19:07] <jamesjedimaster> sixofour: samba is a daemon, once you install it, you can see your shared folder in a windows box
[19:08] <sixofour> i need to see it in a kubuntu box
[19:08] <guimarca> thank
[19:08] <sixofour> and it can't be in /home/user/
[19:09] <jamesjedimaster> sixofour: with dolphin go to network places and see if you can reach another machines, even windows machines
[19:10] <jamesjedimaster> they must be in the same network segment
[19:10] <sixofour> i got it
[19:11] <sixofour> wow
[19:11] <sixofour> i have a fast local network :P
[19:12] <sixofour> 9 gb in 20 minutes
[19:12] <noren> sixofour: y reformatting
[19:12] <jamesjedimaster> cool
[19:12] <sixofour> noren
[19:13] <sixofour> because kubuntu is on an 8gb drive, and i don't use /home/ because of that, my data is on a seperate hard drive, also ive been using sudo too much, its a clusterfuck of fail atm
[19:13] <sixofour> i need sudo to use my data drives
[19:13] <sixofour> kubuntu keeps changing their permissions back
[19:14] <jussi01> !language | sixofour
[19:14] <sixofour> i'm going to set it up so kubuntu is on the 160 Gb hard drive, with no aprtitioning, 2gb swap will be on it also however
[19:14] <sixofour> the 8g drive will be...eh...backup i guess, lol
[19:14] <sixofour> but i am wondering, should i seperate my data and OS?
[19:15] <sixofour> like section otu 20Gb from the 160 for the OS
[19:15] <sixofour> out*
[19:15] <noren> sixofour: TIP this time create different partion for /root /home and /data
[19:15] <sixofour> i don't know how to do that
[19:15] <jamesjedimaster> it is highly recommended to store in one partition the OS and in another partition all data
[19:15] <jussi01> !home | sixofour
[19:15] <santtu> how can i install tar . gz packages
[19:15] <santtu> jussi
[19:16] <santtu> sä puhut suomee
[19:16] <santtu> ??
[19:16] <santtu> noo??
[19:16] <fosco_> english please
[19:16] <noren> sixofour: while installing u can assign different partion to different mount point
[19:16] <santtu>  how can i install tar . gz packages
[19:17] <fosco_> santtu, in general it is not recommended
[19:17] <blackflag> Hello all :) what is the best way to figure out a cooling system in kW for a small datacenter?
[19:17] <sixofour> so i need a different moutnpoint for root and for home?
[19:17] <fosco_> try to search a deb package first
[19:17] <santtu> could someone help me
[19:17] <jussi01> santtu: ei, puhun vain vähän suomea.
[19:17] <jussi01> santtu: you may want to try #kubuntu-fi
[19:17] <santtu> ok sepäs mukavaa
[19:17] <jussi01> :)
[19:18] <santtu> well actually im running ubuntu dapper but thanks for help
[19:18] <santtu> thanks jussi
[19:18] <jussi01> :)
[19:18] <hrika> hi! where can i find documentation on wifi configuration with kde 4.2 in intrepid?
[19:19] <sixofour> so i'll just make two aprtitions on the drive, one for os and one for home data what ever
[19:19] <sixofour> and a 2gb swap
[19:19] <noren> !wifi | hrika
[19:21] <hrika> noren: they don't seem to be up to date, esp. for kde 4.2 and intrepid
[19:21] <hrika> noren: any idea which wireless tool is shipped by default for jaunty? knetworkmanager?
[19:22] <torako> hey
[19:23] <noren> hrika: i m using knetwork manager
[19:24] <torako> noren: are you using Jaunty?
[19:24] <hrika> noren: ok, thanks
[19:25] <torako> noren: is it better than .10 or .04.2?
[19:26] <noren> torako : no i am using 8.10 intrepid
[19:26] <noren> 4.2 is better
[19:26] <torako> really?
[19:26]  * torako considers getting 4.2
[19:26] <torako> i have to agree .10 is kinda annoying
[19:27] <noren> torako: u can upgrade from  8.10
[19:27] <sixofour> that would eb a downgrade
[19:27] <torako> can someone explain how?
[19:27]  * torako is a n00b
[19:28] <noren> torako: http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[19:28] <torako> isnt that telling me how to get 4.2 or something?
[19:29] <torako> kde
[19:29] <torako> oop
[19:29] <torako> just thought
[19:29] <torako> youre not saying about 8.04.2
[19:29]  * torako slaps his head
[19:29] <noren> torako: what distro are u using now
[19:30] <torako> 8.10
[19:30] <noren> ^^ the llink i gave will help ur 9.10 to upgrade to kde 4.2
[19:30] <sixofour> yeah how are we using 8.10 is 8.04.2 is just released?
[19:30] <noren> oops 8.10
[19:30] <sixofour> if*
[19:31] <torako> i wanted to know originally
[19:31] <torako> is 8.04.2 better than 8.10?
[19:31] <noren> torako: 8.04.02 is a LTS with KDE 4.2
[19:32] <sixofour> lts?
[19:32] <p_quarles> noren: Kubuntu 8.04 is not LTS
[19:32] <p_quarles> LTS only applies to the base system and ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[19:32] <torako> so 8.04.2 is better than 8.10?
[19:32] <p_quarles> torako: no
[19:32] <torako> hmmm
[19:33] <torako> but surely kde 4.2 is better!
[19:33] <p_quarles> torako: asking if X is better than Y without specifying your criteria is asking a question devoid of any meaning
[19:33] <torako> ?
[19:33]  * torako is now confused
[19:33] <sixofour> lol one of these guys
[19:33] <noren> torako: upgrade ur 8.10 to 4.2 and see for urself
[19:34] <p_quarles> noren: 8.04.2 != KDE 4.2
[19:34] <torako> ohhhhhhh god
[19:34] <torako> right.
[19:34] <noren> torako: or u can wait for few weeks and get 9.04 :)
[19:34] <sixofour> linux stuff has retarded version format
[19:34] <torako> WILL SOMEONE JUST TELL ME IF 8.04.2 IS BETTER THAN 8.10?!
[19:35] <p_quarles> torako: it's not that simple; it depends on your criteria, like I said
[19:35] <torako> well,
[19:35] <sixofour> next week kubuntu will be in version 10.5, then a day after its really 8.11
[19:35] <torako> can someone just give me the basics?
[19:35]  * torako s eye twitches
[19:36] <p_quarles> sixofour: Ubuntu and KDE use different version numbers because they ARE DIFFERENT PROJECTS
[19:36] <sixofour> who is talking about kde?
[19:36] <noren> sixofour: its always YEAR.MONTH
[19:36] <DasEI>  torako: 8.10 is slightly faster in bootup, more kernelimplemented then mudul-based, 8.04 better for weak hardware
[19:36] <sixofour> yeah/month?
[19:36] <sixofour> year*
[19:36] <p_quarles> torako: 8.10 is newer; 8.04 is older
[19:36] <torako> oh for....
[19:36] <torako> ok
[19:36] <torako> fine
[19:36] <torako> i got it now
[19:36] <torako> thank you.
[19:37] <noren> The Kubuntu team is proud to announce the release of Kubuntu 8.04.2, the
[19:37] <noren> second and final maintenance update to Kubuntu's 8.04 release. This release
[19:37] <noren> includes updated desktop, and alternate installation CDs for the i386 and
[19:37] <noren> amd64 architectures. This update is provided in recognition that the current
[19:37] <noren> Kubuntu release (8.10) with its cutting edge KDE 4 desktop is not yet
[19:37] <sixofour> i understoof what torako wanted the first time he asked, tsk tsk
[19:37] <noren> appropriate for all users.
[19:37] <sixofour> cutting edge lol
[19:37] <torako> if SOMEONE could of just said what DasEI said
[19:37] <torako> it would be better
[19:37] <torako> so, i thank you DasEI
[19:38] <p_quarles> noren: right; 8.04 uses KDE 3.5.11, which is the last-generation (but more tested) version of KDE
[19:38] <DasEI> np, torak
[19:38] <sixofour> i think people mention the crtiria stuff in "what is better" question,simply to be asanine
[19:38] <DasEI> !best
[19:38] <sixofour> "what is better?" is by default askign which is newer
[19:38] <sixofour> everyone knows that
[19:38] <p_quarles> torako: What DasEI said is a broad and somewhat deceptive summary of the real differences
[19:39] <torako> p_quarles: yes, but it was what i wanted to know...
[19:39] <noren> torako: then u sud have been more specific in the questiion  :D
[19:40] <draik> Hello everyone
[19:40] <noren> draik: wats up
[19:40]  * torako s eye twitches AGAIN.
[19:40] <draik> noren: Nothing much. Just saying Hello to everyone here
[19:41] <p_quarles> torako: okay, then I'll give you a similar but contradictory summary: 8.10 uses fewer system resources, and is therefore better for weak hardware; 8.04 is more tried and tested for those wanting stable systems
[19:41] <sixofour> lol
[19:41] <torako> p_quarles: Riiiiiight
[19:41] <torako> p_quarles: thanks
[19:41] <DasEI> did anyone got advchk to run ? it's a newfeeder for rss and related
[19:42] <sixofour> version format is still whack, the amount of changes from one month to another may not be the same every month
[19:42]  * torako will be right back
[19:43]  * torako is back
[19:43] <flabr> hi there...which are the packages i need in order to install the drivers for ATI Radeon x1600? I need glx
[19:44] <torako> ask someone else.
[19:44] <torako> i dont know
[19:44] <noren> how many of u use (konqueror + opendns) did it really improve the konqueror performancce
[19:44] <torako> Konqueror is annoying
[19:44] <torako> it doesnt let me view new deviations at deviatnart
[19:44] <noren> !ati | flabr
[19:44] <torako> *deviantart
[19:45] <flabr> thanks
[19:45] <torako> i use firefox
[19:45] <torako> like all the cool kids use
[19:45]  * torako laughs
[19:46] <noren> torako: its really lightweight browser . yestarday someone suggested arora its even lighter than that
[19:46] <sixofour> firefox is fail
[19:46] <torako> noren: Konqueror is...not suited to my needs
[19:46] <torako> i have to use firefox
[19:46] <sixofour> firefox 3 just destroyed all of its credability
[19:46] <torako> meh
[19:46] <torako> i still use it
[19:46] <sixofour> defasult firefox sitting idle uses 350Mb of ram
[19:47] <sixofour> that is crap
[19:47] <torako> meeh?
[19:47] <noren> i found even opera to be fastee than ff3
[19:47] <torako> *meh
[19:47] <torako> opera sucks
[19:47] <torako> but aanyway
[19:47] <sixofour> i use oepra
[19:47] <sixofour> used*
[19:47] <torako> its all on opinion
[19:47] <ubunturos> I use firefox
[19:47] <sixofour> haven't installed it yet lol
[19:47] <sixofour> 250mb of ram isn't an opinion
[19:47] <sixofour> 350*
[19:47] <sixofour> that is less than window vista
[19:48] <torako> vista sucks!
[19:48] <torako> EVERYTHING SUCKS!
[19:48] <sixofour> yes, and vista uses less resources then firefox
[19:48] <noren> !language ! torako
[19:48] <sixofour> only reason i got firefox is for #thumbshare
[19:48] <torako> thats why i plan on killing Bill Gates later on in life
[19:49] <torako> noren: "sucks" is not strong language
[19:49] <ubunturos> instead, use energy in promoting Free and Open Source Software
[19:49] <sixofour> so when i install kubuntu, i need two partitions right?..one for home/data and oen for root?
[19:50] <sixofour> and a small 2gb for swap
[19:50] <noren> yes 604
[19:50] <sixofour> :D
[19:50] <draik_> Ok, this is now borderline odd to irritating. My desktop cannot keep an Internet connection, can't use the recommended 173 nVidia driver, the 96 driver I used in the past freezes the entire desktop, the audio is getting choppy as quickly as I drop Internet connection.
[19:51] <sixofour> foss needs to get better counter parts for some things before i promote them, just being free isn't a very good criteria
[19:51] <sixofour> draik_:  try kde3.5?
[19:51] <noren> draik_: wow
[19:51] <draik_> sixofour: I'm on 4.2
[19:51] <draik_> noren: Yeah, this sucks
[19:51] <sixofour> yes, try kde3.5
[19:51] <sixofour> its way less resource using than 4
[19:51] <sixofour> and that may help some things
[19:52] <draik_> How do I go from 4.2 to 3.5?
[19:52] <sixofour> hrm, that i don't remember
[19:52] <noren> draik_: when was the last time everything was running smoothly for u ?? :D
[19:52] <draik_> noren: Before I got the 1TB HDD. 5 or 6 weeks ago now.
[19:53] <sixofour> going to reinstall kuybuntu again, be back in a bit
[19:53] <draik_> The current Kubuntu on the 1TB is a new install
[19:53] <noren> draik_: wen did the above mentioned probs started ??? did u make any update
[19:53] <draik_> It's the same package list that I had in my previous install
[19:54] <jeykey> hi
[19:54] <noren> draik_: i gues the recomended package for 8.10 and above is 177 nvidia driver
[19:54] <noren> jeykey: hi
[19:55] <draik_> noren: I don't have 177, just 96 and 173
[19:55] <noren> !nvidia
[19:58] <torako> can someone tell me when the beta version on 9.04 comes out?
[19:58] <torako> not the official release
[19:58] <torako> the beat
[19:58] <torako> *beta
[19:58] <DasEI> torako: out already
[19:58] <torako> really?!
[19:59] <torako> not a alpha
[19:59] <PhilippeP> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[19:59] <torako> thanks
[19:59] <DasEI> join #ubuntu+1, torako
[20:00] <flabr> hi again..i am running a distro which is based on ubuntu ... Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu12 ... but how to know if it is Hardy, Dapper...and so on? Im not familiar with the different ubuntu
[20:00] <torako> alpha 6 huh....
[20:00] <DasEI> !version
[20:00] <DasEI> flabr ^
[20:00] <flabr> thaks :)
[20:00] <flabr> thanks
[20:00] <torako> april 23rd......
[20:00] <torako> hmmm
[20:01] <Simkin> how can i install 3.5.10 instead of 4.x?
[20:01] <Simkin> 4.x bites.
[20:01] <torako> march 26 the Beta version of Jauntu comes out...
[20:01] <draik_> noren: I'm doing the CLI install of the 173 driver. I will reboot, cross my fingers and hope it all works out
[20:01] <torako> i might get the Beta version of Jaunty when it comes.
[20:01] <torako> and stick with it until april 23rd..
[20:02] <torako> is there a image which tells me which kubuntu distro comes out at which time?
[20:03] <torako> aha.
[20:03] <torako> FOUND IT!
[20:04] <Haza> peaches: Ping
[20:04] <peaches> Haza: .
[20:04] <Haza> peaches: So it crashed eventually :)
[20:04] <peaches> what
[20:04] <Haza> And i tried your steps...
[20:04] <torako> is there a alpha of 9.10?
[20:04] <peaches> oh yeah
[20:04] <torako> i want to see what its gonna be like
[20:04] <draik_> What's the command to see if I have GLX going?
[20:04] <Haza> peaches: The Plasma thing
[20:05] <Haza> the taskbar came back for a split second then disappeared again... :(
[20:05] <torako> oh theres not a alpha of Karmic until may...
[20:05] <torako> :(
[20:05] <torako> oh well
[20:06] <cortijo> join #France
[20:06] <torako> cortijo: why?
[20:07] <peaches> Haza: run a konsole and see what kind of error it's giving if any
[20:08] <draik> I installed nvidia-glx-173, but I can't seem to get it activated with the Hardware Driver
[20:08] <Haza> peaches: the "DISPLAY=:0 plasma &" command?
[20:08] <peaches> Haza: sure what does it say
[20:08] <Haza> <unknown program name>(16721)/ checkComposite: Plasma has an argb visual 0x12c2af0 71303169
[20:08] <Haza> <unknown program name>(16721)/ checkComposite: Plasma can use COMPOSITE for effects on 0x12bb360
[20:08] <peaches> Haza: what version did you say you were on
[20:08] <Haza> 8.10 (4.2.x)
[20:09] <Haza> as far as i understand
[20:09] <peaches> is that intrepid, and whats the .x
[20:09] <Guest13857> how can I get audacious to play streams ?
[20:09] <Haza> peaches: im guessing its 4.2.something :)
[20:10] <peaches> Haza: upgrade it if upgrade is available. it shouldnt be crashing. also if it's a compositing issue, upgrade the drivers
[20:11] <peaches> Haza: and you sure you have nothing more to add to the plasma output?
[20:11] <peaches> Haza: actually wait a sec
[20:12] <torako> does anyone know if there is a easy site making program that i can install via adept or konsole?
[20:12] <peaches> Haza: do you have a plasma-desktop command?
[20:12] <menox> screem?
[20:12] <Haza> I'll check
[20:12] <torako>  does anyone know if there is a easy site making program that i can install via adept or konsole?
[20:12] <Haza> peaches: Just the command "plasma-desktop" ?
[20:13] <peaches> yep
[20:13] <Haza> peaches: bash: plasma-desktop: command not found
[20:13] <augustin> bonsoir à tous
[20:13] <torako> anyone?
[20:13] <Doc_exe> easy site making program?
[20:13] <Doc_exe> like what
[20:13] <torako> yeah
[20:14] <peaches> Haza: did you already log back in properly ?
[20:14] <Haza> peaches: I have yes
[20:14] <augustin> does anyone speak french?
[20:14] <torako> like a easy site making program
[20:14] <ubunturos> !fr | augustin,
[20:14] <Doc_exe> like framework?  I just setup Joomla up... thats pretty nice
[20:14] <Doc_exe> or do u want to code it up from the ground up?
[20:14] <augustin> thank you
[20:15] <Guest13857> someone here can run audacious with internet-radios??
[20:15] <ubunturos> augustin: welcome, (how do you say that in french?)
[20:15] <torako> well, preferably something free
[20:15] <peaches> Haza: restart plasma now and see if it gives the same problem or if it only happens when it crashes randomly. in konsole: kquitapp plasma; plasma
[20:15] <ubunturos> bonjour?
[20:15] <Haza> torako: If you want an Open Source IDE you can use Eclipse. Thats supports loads of languages
[20:16] <chris-rc1> hello
[20:16] <Haza> peaches: Just testing
[20:16] <torako> IDE?
[20:16] <Haza> Integrated Development Enviroment
[20:16] <peaches> i mean see if it will restart ok or do the momentary start / disappaering window thing
[20:16] <chris-rc1> i am currently running strigi and it's indexing (which takes one whole cpu), but i cannot use nepomuksearch in dolphin
[20:16] <Haza> torako: google -> define:IDE
[20:16] <peaches> torako: you trying to make websites?
[20:16] <Haza> peaches: okay i ran the above command
[20:17] <torako> yes, i am
[20:17] <Haza> And the panels have crashed again
[20:17] <Haza> You want the output?
[20:17] <peaches> chris-rc1: nepomunk search is what?
[20:17] <Haza> Its 4 lines
[20:17] <Doc_exe> joomla
[20:17] <Doc_exe> look into it
[20:17] <torako> is joomla free?
[20:17] <Doc_exe> yes
[20:17] <peaches> Haza: and it restarts or no?
[20:17] <Doc_exe> only takes a google to find out
[20:17] <Haza> peaches: It does not look like it
[20:18] <Haza> peaches: (No panels or background)
[20:18] <peaches> chris-rc1: im actually trying to get strigi working on my own box right now myself
[20:18] <chris-rc1> peaches: i try to do 'nepomuksearch:SEARCHSTRING' in dolphin and nothing happens
[20:18] <torako> yeah, but google searches are so expensive 8(
[20:18] <torako> never mind,
[20:18] <draik> I am trying to activate nvidia-glx-173, but I am being told that another version of this driver is in use. How can I correct this?
[20:18] <torako> ive got one.
[20:18] <torako> called lamp
[20:18] <torako> !lamp
[20:18] <chris-rc1> peaches: according to the howto soprano is not compiled properly, but strigi does start (just not from systemsettings)
[20:19]  * torako is watching a video and may/may not reply
[20:19] <chris-rc1> draik: what's it saying?
[20:19] <peaches> chris-rc1: which howto?
[20:19] <chris-rc1> wait
[20:19] <draik> chris-rc1:  A different version of this driver is in use
[20:20] <chris-rc1> when does it say this?
[20:20] <chris-rc1> peaches: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6743477
[20:20] <peaches> torako: try quanta i think.. might be in kdewebdev
[20:20] <peaches> or something
[20:20] <draik> Hardware Drivers. I'm trying to choose the recommended 173 but it will not activate because of this.
[20:20] <torako> quanta?
[20:20] <torako> sounds intriging
[20:20] <chris-rc1> draik: and what driver are you running right now?
[20:21] <chris-rc1> draik: and if you use kde4, you should defo use lates 180.x driver
[20:21] <draik> To the best of my knowledge, none. My xorg.conf is default. Per by boot, though, 173.14.12
[20:21] <draik> I don't have the 180 :(
[20:21] <chris-rc1> download it?
[20:22] <draik> On it
[20:22] <peaches> chris-rc1: what was the exact error that strigi says in desktop search under system settings?
[20:22] <chris-rc1> draik: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[20:22] <chris-rc1> draik: there are newer ones on the ftp server, though, but this one should suffice
[20:23] <draik> chris-rc1: That's only providing me with 173
[20:23] <draik> 180 per repos has been installed
[20:23] <chris-rc1> peaches: right now it say it's not running and nothing else (no matter what i do, and strigi is indexing right now). it used to say sth along the lines of 'cannot connect to indexer' and sth about method not found i think
[20:24] <Haza> peaches: If you are interested: http://pastebin.com/d2312c6c0
[20:24] <chris-rc1> draik: which card?
[20:24] <Haza> Thats the error i got
[20:25] <draik> chris-rc1: GeForece FX 5700LE
[20:25] <peaches> chris-rc1: are you watching it index its dialog thing?
[20:27] <peaches> Haza: thats very odd.. you notice any other programs having problems with dbus any time, even after plasma crashes?
[20:27] <Haza> umm, im afraid i havent noticed anything
[20:27] <Haza> @ peaches
[20:28] <peaches> Haza: also when it crashes or you kquitapp make sure theres no ghost process plasma still hanging around.. might as well just kill -9 it
[20:28] <Haza> peaches: I'll check my processlist just now
[20:28] <chris-rc1> draik: hmm, you could install envy then
[20:29] <chris-rc1> draik: apt-get install envyng (maybe envyng-qt or sth)
[20:29] <peaches> killall -9 plasma; wait a while, then restart
[20:29] <tmeixner> hi - is anyone on kubuntu 9.04? what's the latest kernel version used (I'm trying to recover this installation in my grub config)
[20:29] <draik> OK. Gotta reboot. BRB
[20:29] <peaches> Haza:  by the way are you using the 3D desktop?
[20:29] <Haza> peaches: I am
[20:29] <chris-rc1> peaches: yes, strigiclient is running and it's a gui thingie
[20:31] <draik_> chris-rc1: I hope I can get things working again
[20:31] <Haza> peaches: Okay done
[20:31] <peaches> Haza: ok if have always had problems with 3D Desktop and nvidia (random crashes) till now latest svn seems to be pretty good.. turn that off next time you log in properly, then try the same kquitapp (make sure to use this so it saves the 3D setting),  killall, restart, and see if it will restart or just crash repeatedly again.. could be a 3D desktop thing
[20:32] <Haza> peaches: Noted:
[20:32] <Haza> peaches: It started up this time
[20:32] <peaches> Haza: does it restart or just crash again now
[20:32] <Haza> peaches: If it help.... : http://pastebin.com/m2505d58
[20:32] <Haza> Its started okay
[20:32] <peaches> Haza: what was the last thing you did, kill the process?
[20:32] <draik_> chris-rc1: I'm logging in now...
[20:33] <Haza> peaches: i tried...
[20:33] <Haza> hazamonzo@hazamonzo-laptop:~$ killall -9 plasma;
[20:33] <Haza> plasma: no process killed
[20:33] <Haza> The "plasma"
[20:33] <peaches> oh so other than that, you just waited?
[20:33] <Haza> And that pastebin was the resulting output
[20:33] <Haza> Thats right
[20:33] <peaches> Haza: but you said it restarted ok right, even with that output?
[20:34] <draik> Well, it seems that it's all well and in order
[20:34] <Haza> peaches: Thats right
[20:34] <chris-rc1> peaches: how long is the indexing supposed to take? like at the maximum
[20:35] <draik_> and now my screen went completely black
[20:35] <draik_> Computer frozen :(
[20:35] <peaches> Haza: it may just be the process stalling on exiting taking more time than usual (could explain no DrKonqi or whatever popup) but still connected to dbus so next time plasma starts, it detects itself and doesnt re-run. just put a killall before restarting it next time
[20:35] <peaches> chris-rc1: i have no idea but with a big disk it take a long long time
[20:36] <peaches> first time i successfully used strigi a while back it took up about 5GB just in indexing data
[20:36] <peaches> i think i ran it overnight
[20:37] <Haza> peaches: Right. Any idea why it might be crashing in the first place?
[20:37] <peaches> Haza: 0. it's plasma
[20:43] <ScorpKing> peaches: haha.. nice nick :)
[20:43] <chris-rc1> chris-rc1: well, if don't need the latest drivers, then envy is the cleanest way to install nvidia drivers
[20:43] <peaches> chris-rc1: when you renice does it bring up a cpu scheduler grahpical dialog or does it just ask a number? (im using the later version with the graphics)
[20:43] <peaches> ScorpKing: im not very creative
[20:44] <peaches> hah
[20:44] <chris-rc1> peaches: gui with cpu scheduler and i/o scheduler
[20:44] <peaches> chris-rc1: ok put it on low priority
[20:45] <torako> !love
[20:45] <torako> D8
[20:45] <ScorpKing> peaches: creativity has many forms
[20:45] <peaches> chris-rc1: if you hover over the different options it will give a tooltip what they mean
[20:45] <torako> Ice weasels...
[20:45] <peaches> is peaches some kind of internet meme i dont know about
[20:45] <ScorpKing> torako: you are going to get yourself kicked from the channel
[20:45] <chris-rc1> peaches: yeah,. just realised that :-)
[20:46] <chris-rc1> and what cpu scheduler should i use
[20:47] <torako> cortijo:
[20:47] <torako> oops
[20:47] <peaches> whatever you want. i just said lower priority means it wont gobble up your cpu when youre trying to do other things
[20:47] <torako> sorry
[20:47] <torako> ScorpKing: i have to go anyway
[20:47] <torako> bye!
[20:47] <ScorpKing> torako: ok bye
[20:47] <draik_> chris-rc1: EnvyNG doesn't have the 180.
[20:48] <draik_> EnvyNG is currently installing the recommended 173
[20:48] <chris-rc1> draik_: ok, what's the problem again?
[20:49] <draik_> chris-rc1: Getting a driver to work.
[20:49] <chris-rc1> peaches: gosh, i am so blind!
[20:50] <chris-rc1> draik_: then i'd go with envy. just run it and see if it works
[20:50] <draik_> OK
[20:54] <draik> chris-rc1: Well, that seemed to be the fix
[20:55] <draik> I got interwebs, muzics and pretty screensaver again :)
[20:55] <draik> Thanks chris-rc1
[20:57] <noren> draik:       what happened
[20:57] <chris-rc1> draik:  np
[20:58] <ubuntu__> is there a a way to watch youtube videos in kaffine  without downloading like totem does
[20:58] <chris-rc1> peaches: now strigi doesn't use any cpu time any more and when i try to renice it shows it's set to 0 again. but that can't be cause it's not doing anything, at all
[20:59] <chris-rc1> ubuntu__: you can still run kaffeine?
[20:59] <ubuntu__> i'm trying kubuntu on live cd
[20:59] <ubuntu__> been using another distibution   n liked that feature of totem
[21:01] <ubuntu__> or is there some other way to do that in a kde application
[21:04] <ubuntu__> but the biggie for me will be getting the right updates cuz  i'm on ppc and a friend gave me the live cd for  8.0.4.2
[21:06] <w-heat> hi, can anyone tell me how to stop a device being managed by network manager? I've tried putting an entry in /etc/network/interfaces and it's still showing up in nm
[21:08] <chris-rc1> ubuntu__: well, on 8.10 the latest update breaks kaffeine. just so you know
[21:09] <chris-rc1> peaches: so now strigi sin't doing anything any more and i cannot change the nice lever (is reset everytime i change it)
[21:12] <peaches> chris-rc1: what was it before
[21:13] <sixofour> so, i installed kubuntu, but when i load it i get:
[21:13] <sixofour> GRUB Loading... Error 22
[21:13] <sixofour> and it stops
[21:14] <peaches> ubuntu__: how exactly does totem do it, you do something special from the internet browser?
[21:17] <draik> noren: I guess the driver just had to be installed through EnvyNG
[21:19] <sixofour> so i need a /boot partition?
[21:19] <DasEI> sifofour: yep, file not found error
[21:19] <sixofour> !!!!!!!!!
[21:19] <sixofour> if someone could have told me
[21:20] <sixofour> i have to install kubuntu for the 4th time now
[21:20] <DasEI> sixofour: nope, wait
[21:20]  * sixofour sighs
[21:20] <sixofour> i have 3 partitions, /home swap and /
[21:21] <DasEI> sixofour: all needed partis are automatically set home, basically / and swap are enough, you'll prbly have /boot (and various other)
[21:21] <sixofour> i did it manually
[21:21] <sixofour> i made /hopme / and swap
[21:21] <sixofour> ./home, /, swap*
[21:21] <DasEI> sixofour: you're on live cd now ?
[21:21] <sixofour> yes
[21:21] <sixofour> GRUB fails to load
[21:21] <sixofour> Error 22
[21:21] <abongile> Hi, I am newbie, the rtl8187se wifi driver does not work with the latest kernel update but works perfectly under earlier kernel. How can I get to work with the latest kernel? I apologise if this not the right place to ask.
[21:22] <DasEI> mount your hd
[21:22] <sixofour> mount my hd?
[21:22] <DasEI> open a terminal, sixofour...
[21:22] <DasEI> sixofour: sudo fdisk -l
[21:22] <DasEI> sixofour: devicename of your / ?
[21:23] <draik_> I think I spoke too soon
[21:23] <sixofour> how do i know which is / ?
[21:23] <DasEI> sixofour: by size ?
[21:23] <sixofour> /dev/sdb1   *           1        2432    19535008+  83  Linux
[21:23] <sixofour> /dev/sdb2            2433       19457   136753312+   5  Extended
[21:23] <sixofour> /dev/sdb5            2433       19210   134769253+  83  Linux
[21:23] <sixofour> /dev/sdb6           19211       19457     1983996   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[21:23] <draik_> It froze on me
[21:24] <DasEI> sixofour: let'ts try : sudo mkdir /mnt/sdb1
[21:24] <acryline> do you k,ow au opensim canal and how I can connecting to it  ?
[21:24] <acryline> hello
[21:24] <sixofour> done
[21:24] <DasEI> sixofour: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1
[21:24] <sixofour> done
[21:24] <DasEI> sixofour: cd /mnt/sdb1
[21:24] <DasEI> sixofour: ls
[21:25] <sixofour> yeah
[21:25] <sixofour> its root
[21:25] <DasEI> root ?
[21:25] <Dr_willis> dont forget a sudo mkdir /mnt/sdb1 first :)
[21:25] <DasEI> sixofour: cd /boot
[21:25] <sixofour> bin   cdrom  etc   initrd.img  lost+found  mnt  proc  sbin  sys  usr  vmlinuz
[21:25] <sixofour> boot  dev    home  lib         media       opt  root  srv   tmp  var
[21:25] <DasEI> !grub | sixo
[21:25] <sixofour> i'm in /boot$
[21:25] <sixofour> i am reading that
[21:25] <acryline> do you k,ow au opensim canal and how I can connecting to it  ?
[21:25] <DasEI> sixofour: first link
[21:26] <sixofour> it helps me in pretty much no way lol
[21:26] <sixofour> how do i know grub is broken?
[21:26] <DasEI> sixofour: it looks like it can't find parti or kernel
[21:26] <sixofour> what is parti?
[21:27] <pcsc50> hi there! There is someone that can help me with EpsonJavaPOS?
[21:27] <DasEI> sixofour: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[21:27] <DasEI> sixofour: ^partition
[21:27] <sixofour> couldn't find pastebinit
[21:27] <pcsc50> i'm am going crazy, please help me
[21:27] <DasEI> sixofour: which ubu version ?
[21:28] <sixofour> ubu?
[21:28] <DasEI> !version
[21:28] <sixofour> ok..what is ubu?
[21:28] <DasEI> ubuntu ??
[21:28] <sixofour> oh
[21:28] <sixofour> 8.10
[21:28] <pcsc50> There is someone that can help me with EpsonJavaPOS?
[21:28] <jose> nas noches
[21:28] <jose> estoy muy perdido
[21:28] <DasEI> sixofour: gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:29] <jose> alguien me dice algun manual o web explique como montar un servidor email
[21:29] <DasEI> !paste  | sixofour
[21:29] <pcsc50> There is someone that can help me with EpsonJavaPOS or T88IV printing under linux
[21:30] <DasEI> sixofour: can you paste that file and give us url here ?
[21:30] <sixofour> installing gedit
[21:30] <sixofour> one sec
[21:30] <DasEI> sure, sorry
[21:30] <thebe> new user of linux
[21:30] <thebe> need help of you
[21:30] <thebe> could any of you help me
[21:31] <DasEI> !ask
[21:31] <thebe> thanks, I have acer aspire 5530 and the sound card does not work how could I get its driver
[21:31] <thebe> for linux
[21:31] <sixofour> DasEI:  that file is empty
[21:32] <sixofour> .mnt  . LST or IST?
[21:32] <sixofour> menu*
[21:32] <DasEI> sixofour: /boot/grub/menu.lst                     <<is empty ? no typos ?
[21:32] <sixofour> LST or IST?
[21:32] <DasEI> LST small
[21:32] <sixofour> yes, its empty
[21:33] <sixofour> er
[21:33] <sixofour> menu/lst lol
[21:33] <DasEI> sudo grub
[21:33] <DasEI> ??
[21:33] <draik_> My screen goes black when it freezes
[21:33] <DasEI> !alsa | thebe
[21:33] <sixofour> its still empty
[21:33] <draik_> When it finally returns, its still frozen.
[21:33] <draik_> I can't do anything on the desktop
[21:34] <thebe> thanks
[21:34] <DasEI> sudo grub                  , sixofour
[21:34] <sixofour> ok
[21:34] <DasEI> find /boot/grub/stage1
[21:34] <DasEI> result ^ ?
[21:34] <sixofour>  (hd1,0)
[21:34] <pcsc50> I need help to configure Epson Thermal Printer T88IV.. I going crazy. Please help me. It works with EpsonJavaPos
[21:35] <DasEI> sixofour:  root (hd1,0)
[21:35] <sixofour> ok..
[21:36] <DasEI> you have two disks there ?
[21:36] <sixofour> two hard drives yes
[21:36] <sixofour> one is unallocated
[21:36] <DasEI> the other containing windows ?
[21:36] <pcsc50> I need help to configure Epson Thermal Printer T88IV.. I going crazy. Please help me. It works with EpsonJavaPos
[21:36] <DasEI> a, I see
[21:36] <sixofour> i don't have windows at all
[21:36] <sixofour> i installed kubuntu to an empty drive
[21:36] <DasEI> sixofour:  setup (hd1)
[21:37] <sixofour> it successed in what ever it did
[21:37] <DasEI> sixofour:  quit
[21:37] <sixofour> ok
[21:37] <DasEI> sixofour:  make sure your bios is set to boot from sdb;
[21:37] <sixofour> lol
[21:38] <DasEI> sixofour: see yah hopefully : sudo reboot
[21:38] <sixofour> how?
[21:38] <sixofour> just type sudo reboot after quit?
[21:38] <DasEI> yes, but then you get logged off
[21:38] <sixofour> what about that bios stuff?
[21:38] <sixofour> i don't know how to do all that
[21:39] <DasEI> F2 or ESC mostly to get in pc's bios, you can alter the boot-sequenz there
[21:39] <sixofour> ???
[21:39] <DasEI> just try without cd after reboot or come back
[21:40] <DasEI> thebe ?
[21:40] <draik_> chris-rc1: Would you know what is causing the freeze after working so smoothly?
[21:41] <pcsc50> I need help to configure Epson Thermal Printer T88IV.. I going crazy. Please help me. It works with EpsonJavaPos
[21:42] <ibuffy> i don't want to download ubuntu-graphics, but i do want to see what files are included in the package. how can i do taht?
[21:42] <ibuffy> ah, packages.ubuntu.com
[21:42] <ibuffy> can apt-get list the files?
[21:43] <DasEI> or synaptic
[21:43] <thebe> "find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd". I did not understand 'uname -r ' in this case! Does it stand for something
[21:43] <DasEI> ibuffy: apt-cache search | grep <expression>
[21:43] <thebe> or I have to type the same 'uname -r'??
[21:44] <DasEI> thebe: just type uname -r without quotes in terminal
[21:44] <ibuffy> DasEI: i'm just wanting to browse, i wouldn't know what to grep for. wanting to get a few packages, but i can't remember their names, so grep wouldn't come in handy
[21:44] <DasEI> synaptic is handy then
[21:45] <DasEI> ibuffy: you can search both there, filenames and descriptions
[21:45] <thebe> thebe@Voracious:~$ find /lib/modules/unamr -r | grep snd
[21:45] <thebe> find: unknown predicate `-r'
[21:45] <thebe> thebe@Voracious:~$
[21:45] <thebe> this is displayed then
[21:45] <ibuffy> man... i can't wait until the new package manager arrives
[21:45] <ibuffy> adept is so confusing compared to synaptic
[21:46] <DasEI> thebe : uname -r  to see what it does,  quotes for the whole cmd
[21:46] <ibuffy> package manager or updater, it's confusing. it should be the same
[21:46] <DasEI> dpkg, lol
[21:46] <DasEI> ...
[21:46] <draik_> I have installed the nVidia driver through EnvyNG and that is not resolving the issue. my desktop is still freezing when I use a video driver
[21:46] <ubuntu__> totem has  a search plugin    n it plays it right in  totem
[21:46] <ibuffy> anyway... adept package manager doesn't show ubuntustudio
[21:47] <ibuffy> neither does the updater
[21:47] <DasEI> apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[21:48] <ibuffy> yeah yeah... i can find it that way.. but i want my graphical packman
[21:49] <DasEI> ibuffy: synaptic also shows
[21:50] <DasEI> .. so does adept
[21:51] <ibuffy> argh, which adept?
[21:51] <DasEI> ibuffy : sudo adept from trml
[21:52] <ibuffy> that is the 'package manager'
[21:53] <ragil> hi all
[21:53] <ibuffy> so... let's give it one more go
[21:53] <ibuffy> hi ragil
[21:53] <ragil> btw can i ask something
[21:53] <ibuffy> well.. i'll have to wait awhile until some other packages are through installing to get admin privs
[21:53] <ibuffy> ragil: this is a support channel :)
[21:54] <ragil> if i want to change default run level on ubuntu where is conf file is located?
[21:55] <sixofour1> GRUB Loading... Error 22
[21:58] <thebe> thanks
[21:58] <thebe> I got the solution
[22:02] <ibuffy> ragil: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-and-ubuntu-linux-run-levels.html
[22:02] <ibuffy> alright DasEI, i don't know how you found ubuntustudio using adept
[22:02] <ibuffy> i searched just for ubuntustudio
[22:02] <ibuffy> nothing
[22:02] <ibuffy> fetched package lists, did it again, same results
[22:02] <DasEI> your sources.list ??
[22:03] <ibuffy> they are fine
[22:03] <ibuffy> i can find ubuntustudio-* using apt-get
[22:03] <DasEI> I found a bounce there, wallpapers, audio,.. medibuntu maybe ?
[22:04] <ibuffy> DasEI: http://bayimg.com/DAoeNAAbe
[22:06] <ibuffy> adept has never worked for me, it's so discouraging... so when's the packman coming out
[22:06] <ibuffy> please say soon
[22:09] <beardbar> Hi guys so yesterday I cam to the conclusion that 8.10 just wont support 3 monitors after much forum reading and googling. I apparently need to down grade but was wondering how diffrent kde 3 is to kde 4?
[22:09] <DasEI> ibuffy: packman is something else, it's a file hoster
[22:11] <DasEI> sixofour1:
[22:11] <DasEI> ?
[22:11] <sixofour1> yeah
[22:11] <sixofour1> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[22:11] <DasEI> sudo grub-install /dev/sdb1
[22:11] <sixofour1> ./boot isn't mounted on anything
[22:11] <sixofour1> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block devi
[22:13] <draik_> I've just had my desktop running for the past 10-15 minutes without doing anything to it. It is still running (non-frozen)
[22:13] <draik_> If I were to launch an app, it would freeze
[22:13] <draik_> Firefox, Thunderbird, System Settings, EnvyNG, etc
[22:14] <DasEI> sixofour1: sure, mount it again or it isn't writeable
[22:14] <sixofour1> mount what?
[22:14] <sixofour1> i'm being spoonfed here, no clue what i am doing
[22:15] <sixofour1> lol
[22:15] <beardbar> anyone how big a diffrent kde 4 is to kde 3?
[22:16] <sixofour1> k its mounted
[22:16] <DasEI> sixofour1:  sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb
[22:17] <sixofour1> Unrecognized option `--root-directoy=/mnt'
[22:18] <DasEI> sixofour1: sudo umount -a
[22:18] <beardbar> oh i guess kde4 is on 8.04 lol nm
[22:18] <DasEI> sixofour1: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[22:19] <DasEI> sixofour1:  sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb
[22:19] <sixofour1> ok
[22:19] <sixofour1> stuff happened
[22:20] <sixofour1> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[22:20] <sixofour1> (hd1)   /dev/sdb
[22:20] <sixofour1> thats the result
[22:20] <sixofour1> an error occured but it said to ignore it
[22:21] <DasEI> corresponding BIOS drive  ? which error ?
[22:21] <cajun> i'm having an issue installing Kubuntu 8.4 on an older laptop.  It is a Gateway that is running Millenium. It has 120MB RAM, and it's a P3.  When the install starts, the progress bar during initialization gets to maybe 10 or 15% before the laptop just completely shuts down.
[22:21] <sixofour1> Due to a bug in xfs_freeze, the following command might produce a segmentation
[22:21] <cajun> I have run a memory test and no errors were found.
[22:21] <sixofour1> fault when /mnt/boot/grub is not in an XFS filesystem. This error is harmless and
[22:21] <sixofour1> can be ignored.
[22:21] <cajun> what can I do to make it work?  Millenium boots with no problems that I can see.
[22:21] <sixofour1> !pastebin
[22:22] <DasEI> cajun:120 is hard, try alternate installer or :
[22:22] <ibuffy> DasEI: heh, i know what packman is, but i was using packman as a short way of saying package manager because i'm a lazy typer
[22:22] <DasEI> !minimal
[22:22] <cajun> is that why i can't even run it live?
[22:23] <DasEI> might be, but for that also :
[22:23] <DasEI> !bootoptions
[22:23] <DasEI> (for the live^)
[22:23] <sixofour1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130365/
[22:23] <sixofour1> DasEI:
[22:23] <cajun> i installed the "hedgehog" version on an older computer a few years ago and didn't have an issue. It was running Win95.
[22:24] <cajun> i have the liver version on my 8.4, is that different than what I'd get from that url?
[22:24] <DasEI> sixofour1: looks good, : cd /mnt
[22:24] <DasEI> sixofour1: looks good, : cd /boot
[22:24] <DasEI> cd /grub
[22:24] <DasEI> nano menu.lst
[22:25] <DasEI> cajun: yes, the alternate installer is a better bet for that machine, but can't run live
[22:25] <Slonkie> Would anyone be capable of helping me making my Atheros AR5BXB63 wireless work on kubuntu?
[22:25] <sixofour1> abi-2.6.27-7-generic     grub            System.map-2.6.27-7-generic
[22:25] <cajun> ok.  thanks for your help.
[22:25] <sixofour1> config-2.6.27-7-generic  memtest86+.bin  vmcoreinfo-2.6.27-7-generic
[22:25] <sixofour1> ls of /boot
[22:25] <ibuffy> can't upgrade to kde 4.2...
[22:26] <ibuffy> would like to if possible
[22:26] <ibuffy> it will be on jaunty right?
[22:26] <ibuffy> i will hold off if so
[22:26] <DasEI> sixofour1:sudo updatedb
[22:26] <sixofour1> 4.2 is on 8.10
[22:26] <goofey> ibuffy: it will be in jaunty
[22:26] <DasEI> sixofour1:locate menu.lst
[22:26] <ibuffy> it's in unsupported backports
[22:26] <ibuffy> not something i'm wanting to use...
[22:26] <DasEI> sixofour1:get the one from the disk ( cd has also)
[22:27] <gabriel_> can anyone figure out why i suddenly only can get working sound in dragonplayer, and not in totem player or vlc player?
[22:27] <ibuffy> and maybe a new _package manager_ will be issued with jaunty
[22:27] <ibuffy> i miss the old adept
[22:27] <sixofour1> which one is that? [there are 8 files]
[22:27] <DasEI> gabriel_: pcm ?
[22:27] <DasEI> !alsa | gabriel_:
[22:28] <DasEI> gabriel_: install alsamixer and check pcm-volume
[22:28] <DasEI> sixofour1:paste the output of locate ^
[22:28] <DasEI> paste
[22:29] <eladioreis> Hello can anyone help-me ho can i listen radio online with mozilla?
[22:29] <sixofour1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130366/
[22:29] <gabriel_> o dpmt
[22:29] <DasEI> eladioreis:google for onlineradio, but amarok is much nicer to me
[22:30] <gabriel_> i don't have sound system. only multimedia
[22:30] <gabriel_> and no option for "enable the sound system"
[22:30] <eladioreis> i have amarock
[22:30] <Constrabus> After an install with 8.10 I enabled effects in desktoop settings. Now the dekstop is black but I can see the mouse. How do I rever the settings?
[22:30] <DasEI>  /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst  , sixofour1
[22:30] <gabriel_> DasEI: however, testing the sound works in multimedia dialog
[22:30] <sixofour1> ok what do i do?
[22:30] <Constrabus> revert*
[22:31] <DasEI>  gedit /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst  , sixofour1, still empty ???
[22:31] <sixofour1> how can i check?
[22:31] <jhutchins_wk> Constrabus: So you're saying those weren't the effects you wanted?
[22:31] <DasEI> gabriel_: sudo apt-get install alsamixergui
[22:31] <sixofour1> ff gedit is 86mb?
[22:32] <DasEI> gabriel_: when done : alsamixergui
[22:32] <DasEI> nano /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst  , sixofour1, still empty ???
[22:32] <Constrabus> jhutchins_wk Im saying that enableing the settings made everything unuseable because the desktop is black now and can only see the mouse. Default settings are needed.
[22:32] <Slonkie> Would anyone be capable of helping me making my Atheros AR5BXB63 wireless work on kubuntu?
[22:32] <jhutchins_wk> Constrabus: Well, there was no guarantee you'd _like_ the effects.
[22:33] <DasEI> gabriel_: gui up ?
[22:33] <sixofour1> ok i see stuff DasEI
[22:33] <jhutchins_wk> Constrabus: Maybe the mouse is all there is.  Not very usefull, I'll admint.
[22:33] <sixofour1> 142 lines
[22:33] <thebe> hi, unluckily my usb was inserted in my laptop while i was installing linux and it also got formated in ext3 file system. I don know how to format it with fat and i don recognize in shell also
[22:33] <thebe> any one to help this new user
[22:33] <DasEI> ctrl-c in trml to close gedit , :XD sixofour1
[22:33] <DasEI> nano*
[22:33] <Constrabus> jhutchins_wk Ok how can I change tthe setting perhaps in the console since thats all I have
[22:33] <jhutchins_wk> Constrabus: I think you may be able to select a different session in the login manager, that may help.
[22:33] <gabriel_> DasEI: yes, that got the sound back! awesome :)
[22:34] <sixofour1> ctrl-c doesn't close it
[22:34] <thebe> DasEI is there to help me again
[22:34] <shadowhywind> Hay all having a bit of problem, every time I try to use glx (either glxgears, or compiz) my laptop will freeze (most of the time within 5 mins)
[22:34] <jhutchins_wk> Constrabus: You may also be able to run kdesudo(?) kcontrol.
[22:34] <DasEI> sudo reboot  sixofour1
[22:34] <jhutchins_wk> !sudo
[22:34] <gabriel_> DasEI: however, i don't understand what caused it to dissapear in the first place... ubuntu really isn't more stable than windows :/
[22:34] <DasEI> thebe ?
[22:34] <sixofour1> can't do that either
[22:34] <sixofour1> i can only type text
[22:34] <thebe> hi
[22:35] <gabriel_> DasEI: and why does it say that pulseAudio doesn't work?
[22:35] <thebe> DasEi
[22:35] <thebe> I am here
[22:35] <thebe> listening you
[22:35] <sixofour1> how do i exit?
[22:35] <sixofour1> hit the x on the terminal?
[22:35] <thebe> I did solve the problem with sound card
[22:35] <jhutchins_wk> sixofour1: exit <CR>
[22:35] <DasEI> or ctrl and x in nano
[22:35] <thebe> but usb is gone now
[22:35] <sixofour1> what is exit <cr>
[22:35] <sixofour1> ?
[22:36] <DasEI> yo
[22:36] <Constrabus> jhutchins_wk is there a command to make defualt settings? im in the cosole
[22:36] <Constrabus> console*
[22:36] <DasEI> gabriel_: alsa is mostly common, depends on your hardware
[22:36] <will_> I'm running KDE/Openbox, is there a way to control the window action's for the Openbox portion?
[22:37] <DasEI> thebe: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:37] <gabriel_> DasEI: i have awesome HW :)
[22:37] <noren> damn network admin, i was downloading jaunty alpha 5 bugger they removed the entirre thing when i was half way with download
[22:38] <noren> can any one confirm if its working for them >>> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/jaunty-alpha-5
[22:39] <noren> it seems they have now updated it to alpha 6 what a waste of time for me :(
[22:39] <thebe> but I have to format my flash memory
[22:39] <DasEI> thebe: sudo apt-get install usbview usbutils
[22:39] <thebe> thanks
[22:39] <Dr_Willis64> thebe,  you format the filesystem with the mkfs.XXX command
[22:40] <Dr_Willis64> thebe,  or with a front end like gparted
[22:40] <draik_> It would appear that I cannot use any nVidia drivers as they all cause my computer to freeze
[22:40] <DasEI> thebe: sudo fdisk -l , flash there ?
[22:40] <thebe> what does that xxx stand for
[22:40] <Dr_Willis64> hit TAB and see the options
[22:40] <Dr_Willis64> mkfs.vfat for vfat, ext2 for ext2.. and so on
[22:40] <thebe> thank you
[22:40] <DasEI> thebe: use gparted
[22:40] <Dr_Willis64> XXX for porn drive? :)
[22:40] <Constrabus> jhutchins_wk   Just had to delete .kde dir in home and let it recreate for defualt settings.
[22:41] <RiotingPacifist`> could somebody tell me if ucl.ac.uk is down or if im just having problems with my connection
[22:41] <DasEI> RiotingPacifist`: url ?
[22:41] <gabriel_> another really FUNNY bug: when i PAUSE amarok, i get weird artifacts in any video playback... hahaha... and when i press play again in amarok - perfect video playback again :)
[22:41] <RiotingPacifist`> http://www.ucl.ac.uk
[22:41] <gabriel_> is that weird or what?
[22:42] <gabriel_> if i minimize amarok, it's back to perfect video playback again
[22:42] <RiotingPacifist`> gabriel_: what kde and what gfx card
[22:42] <RiotingPacifist`> s/card/drivers
[22:43] <gabriel_> kde4.2, nvidia gf8800 drivers are that 177 recommended one
[22:43] <gabriel_> kubuntu 8.10
[22:43] <DasEI> RiotingPacifist`:loading very slow, if at all, still empty
[22:43] <gabriel_> weird artifacts in video playback only when amarok is showing
[22:43] <Slonkie> Would anyone be capable of helping me making my Atheros AR5BXB63 wireless work on kubuntu?
[22:43] <gabriel_> and paused
[22:44] <gabriel_> in stopped mode there are no artifacts. only in paused mode
[22:44] <DasEI>  Slonkie:I don't use wl, but might see:
[22:44] <DasEI> !wireless
[22:44] <beardbar> actually, im not sure i understand this but does 8.04.2 come with kde 4 or only kde 3?
[22:44] <gabriel_> RiotingPacifist`: weird huh :)
[22:44] <RiotingPacifist`> DasEI thx, i resinstalled last nite and been having internet troubles (droping 15% of my ping to google) not sure if it was me/myisp/ucl
[22:44] <ubuntu__> 3
[22:45] <DasEI> Slonkie: try #ubuntu for that, if no help here
[22:45] <ubuntu__> that is what i have on live cd
[22:45] <ubuntu__> beardbar kde  3
[22:46] <ubuntu__> since it is long term support
[22:46] <beardbar> ubuntu__: drat, wanted so bad to run kde4 but 8.10 doesnt support 3 monitors very well
[22:46] <DasEI>    Connection to 144.82.111.20 Failed     The system returned:     (110) Connection timed out  , RiotingPacifist`
[22:47] <RiotingPacifist`> gabriel_: id guess that you have composing enabled, which generally means youll get those bugs given (kde4.x isnt very mature with desktop effects, nvidia closed grafix drivers while good are full little of bugs)
[22:47] <ubuntu__> if i install the live cd can somebody here help me get it where i can get the upates since i am using ppc
[22:47] <andy> hi
[22:47] <andy> i have a severe problem
[22:47] <andy> cannot login anymore into the KDE
[22:47] <RiotingPacifist`> thx DasEI, now if only i could figure out why pinging my router is dropping 7% of my packets
[22:48] <RiotingPacifist`> andy: is your hdd full? login to a term and run df - h, can you login to failsafe?
[22:48] <andy> I had 190MB of free space on my hdd and i wanted to install openclipart and it said it requiered also open office and i clicked install, as I already have wirter and calc, ... i thought i wouldn#t chnage much, but now I have 0 Bytes free
[22:49] <DasEI> RiotingPacifist`: sudo netstat            ?? dns ?
[22:49] <andy> i did apt-get remove octave and supposedly this freed 30 MB but df still says 0
[22:49] <andy> RiotingPacifist am with alt ctrl F1  in console
[22:49] <RiotingPacifist`> andy: problem is you have no free space in temp to setup the permition files, run sudo apt-get clean from a terminal see if that frees you up some space
[22:50] <thebe> I did sudo fdisk -l but I did not recognize the usb
[22:50] <DasEI> !trash | andy
[22:50] <beardbar> ubuntu__: look what i found, anyone know if this works well? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04.1/release/
[22:50] <thebe> i plugged out usb and even then I got the same output of this command
[22:50] <RiotingPacifist`> alternatively somebody might no the command to mount /tmp on a ramdisk as a quick fix
[22:50] <Dr_Willis64> thebe,  unplug/plug it back in , check out put of 'dmesg' command, (run it once, then wait a few sec and run dmesg again to see new messages at the bottom.
[22:50] <RiotingPacifist`> *know
[22:51] <DasEI> thebe: try a reboot to reload hal
[22:51] <Faust-C> hmm now desktop seems better since i changed nvidia settings from streched to centered
[22:51] <sixofour2> DasEI:
[22:51] <Faust-C> option wasnt there in ubuntu
[22:52] <sixofour2> GRUB Loading.... Error 22
[22:52] <andy> RiotingPacifist: sudo apt-get clean didn't change a thing. And 0+30=0  I had zero free, freed 30 and still have zero free
[22:52] <sixofour2> lol
[22:52] <DasEI> sixofour2: yes
[22:52] <thebe> I am waiting DasEI!!
[22:52] <DasEI> thebe: try a reboot to reload hal,  sudo reboot
[22:52] <DasEI> sixofour2: can you D/L and burn a cd ?
[22:53] <sixofour2> what cd?
[22:53] <DasEI> sixofour2: super-grub-disk
[22:53] <RiotingPacifist`> netstat shows rpc.statd dhclient & dhclient3 is having 2 dhclient a bad thing?
[22:53] <andy> trash is empty
[22:53] <sixofour2> there is no /boot
[22:53] <sixofour2> i need a /boot partition don't i?
[22:54] <etfb> Anyone using kpowersave in Hardy instead of the standard Guidance Power Manager?  I notice it's got a weird bug: if you shut down and then close the lid, it will suspend... then when you resume later, it continues shutting down.  Anyone else see behaviour like that, or am I imagining it?
[22:54] <RiotingPacifist`> but im pinging my router 192.168.1.1 so i dont think im even using dns, could it be the new wireless stack :S
[22:54] <sixofour2> ive insteal with this cd severasl times in the past 4 days
[22:54] <sixofour2> installed
[22:54] <DasEI> sixofour2: there is, we checked before
[22:55] <sixofour2> there isn't
[22:55] <sixofour2> there is a folder /boot
[22:55] <sixofour2> but the only partitions are / and /home/
[22:55] <andy> well, thanks
[22:55] <RiotingPacifist`> !tmpfs
[22:55] <DasEI> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130366/
[22:55] <RiotingPacifist`> !tmp
[22:56] <RiotingPacifist`> andy i think there is a utility like mount overflow tmpfs to let you login, /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp start or something like that
[22:56] <DasEI> RiotingPacifist`: 2 dhcp clients ? ifconfig ? more then one nic ?
[22:56] <sixofour2> i wonder if reinstalling kubuntu can fix this
[22:56] <DasEI> RiotingPacifist`: andy left
[22:56] <sixofour2> ugh
[22:56] <sixofour2> ive installed kubuntu 5 times in 2 days
[22:57] <DasEI> sixofour2: there is, for some reason grub didn't install properly
[22:58] <sixofour2> how many aprtitions do i need?
[22:58] <sixofour2> EXACTLY
[22:58] <sixofour2> what do they need to be called
[22:58] <DasEI> sixofour2: 2 least,    /  and swap
[22:58] <Dr_Willis64> 2 minimum :) yep
[22:58] <sixofour2> well i have 3
[22:58] <Dr_Willis64> you can use 3 if you want
[22:58] <sixofour2> ./ swap and /home/
[22:58] <DasEI> a separate /home, no prob
[22:58] <sixofour2> yeah so wtf is the problem?
[22:59] <Dr_Willis64>  thats the 2nd most common layout
[22:59] <RiotingPacifist`> DasEI: i have wireless and an unused ethernet port, netstat -i is giving me a few extra devices though :S eth0:avahi wlanmaster0
[22:59] <sixofour2> what does error 22 mean?
[22:59] <Dr_Willis64> thats a grub error. check the grub homepage
[22:59] <sixofour2> grub has a home page?
[22:59] <Dr_Willis64> YES....
[22:59] <Dr_Willis64> Most EVERYTHING has a homepage :)
[22:59] <sixofour2> what is grub?
[22:59] <Dr_Willis64> grub is very very very well documented
[22:59] <sixofour2> lol
[22:59] <Dr_Willis64> !grub
[22:59] <sixofour2> oh
[22:59] <sixofour2> i read those, didn't help any
[22:59] <Dr_Willis64> Grub is such an improntant tool - its worth reading about.
[23:00] <Dr_Willis64> so go check its manual at the homepage.
[23:00] <sixofour2> i think i'll just reinstall and hope
[23:00] <Dr_Willis64> if you plan on using linux - its worth learning grub :)
[23:00] <Dr_Willis64> or just rely on the old windows mentality of reinsgtalling and hopeing..
[23:00] <will_> Is there a way to change the mod-key in Openbox from ALT to META?
[23:00] <Dr_Willis64> I doubt if reinstalling will change much
[23:01] <sixofour2> i doubt if reading sveeral hundred pages of completely unrelevent information will either
[23:01] <Dr_Willis64> you dont know.. it MAY be doumcneted right there on the 'grub error code page'
[23:01] <etfb> How do I put a daily time limit on a login.  I want my kids to have a maximum of 3 hours a day on their computers, so they can interact with something other than YouTube and horsey RPGs.  Any ideas?
[23:02] <RiotingPacifist`> sixofour2: its thowing up an error to do with multiboot kernels can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:02] <Faust-C> etfb: it would be simpler to limit inet
[23:02] <goofey> etfb: I'm pretty sure edubuntu has that option (might be able to use their program in kubuntu)
[23:03] <Faust-C> etfb: or a kiosk mode
[23:03] <sixofour2> what is a gui program i can use to view this file?
[23:03] <goofey> ubottu: !edubuntu | etfb
[23:03] <RiotingPacifist`> http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html < type grub errors into firefox3 and thats what you get
[23:03] <DasEI> sixofour2: means a file not found error, mount / again and paste menu.lst
[23:03] <RiotingPacifist`> sixofour2: erm kate or any text editor
[23:04] <DasEI> sixofour2: kate, gedit, nono, vim ....
[23:04] <Dr_Willis64> 22 : No such partition
[23:04] <Dr_Willis64>     This error is returned if a partition is requested in the device part of a device- or full file name which isn't on the selected disk.
[23:04] <DasEI> nano
[23:04] <cajun1> is there a way to do the minimal installation using a USB wireless NIC?
[23:04] <cajun1> that's what I have and the Ubuntu install isn't recognizing it.
[23:04] <sixofour2> The file /boot/grub/meny.lst could not be loaded, as it was not possible to read from it.
[23:04] <sixofour2> er
[23:04] <sixofour2> lol
[23:04] <Dr_Willis64> sounds like somthing is totally missconfigured then.
[23:05] <etfb> Faust-C: Limiting internet doesn't stop them playing games...
[23:05] <sixofour2> The file /boot/grub/menu.lst could not be loaded, as it was not possible to read from it.
[23:05] <DasEI> sixofour2: paste your menu.lst
[23:05] <RiotingPacifist`> sixofour2 is there anything in /boot
[23:05] <DasEI> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130366/
[23:05] <etfb> I'll check the Edubuntu website and see what they use for that.
[23:05] <sixofour2> abi-2.6.27-7-generic     memtest86+.bin               vmcoreinfo-2.6.27-7-generic
[23:05] <sixofour2> config-2.6.27-7-generic  System.map-2.6.27-7-generic
[23:05] <sixofour2> ls of /boot
[23:05] <carlitos____> hi,  anyone  pls  I have  a  epson model FX-880+  how to  install it  in kubuntu the model do not appears to  select  it
[23:05] <DasEI> sixofour2: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[23:05] <Dr_Willis64> theres no /boot/grub direcgtory?
[23:06] <Faust-C> etfb: playing online games or local games?
[23:06] <sixofour2> i guess not
[23:06] <RiotingPacifist`> cajun1: its possible, not easy but definatly possible
[23:06] <Dr_Willis64> oh yea.. look at the installed systems /boot/ NOT the live cds /boot/ :)
[23:06] <DasEI> sixofour2: gedit /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:06] <sixofour2> mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[23:06] <etfb> Faust-C: Local ones - the online ones are kind of hard to play with the internet, I find.
[23:06] <Faust-C> oic
[23:06] <DasEI> sixofour2: fdisk -l  ?
[23:06] <etfb> s/with/without/, of course.
[23:06] <sixofour2> you know i am on livecd right DasEI
[23:06] <sixofour2> any changes i make are not saved
[23:07] <DasEI> sixofour2: sure
[23:07] <cajun1> it's an older laptop so there's no no ethernet port.
[23:07] <Dr_Willis64> sixofour2,  ifyou mount the partition and edit them they would be..
[23:07] <sixofour2> ubuntu@ubuntu:/boot$ fdisk -l
[23:07] <sixofour2> Cannot open /dev/sda
[23:07] <sixofour2> Cannot open /dev/sdb
[23:07] <Dr_Willis64> use sudo fdisk -l
[23:07] <DasEI> sixofour2: sudo fdisk -l  ?
[23:08] <sixofour2> http://pastebin.com/m32aab21e
[23:08] <cajun1> riot: can you walk me through it or know where i can get directions?
[23:08] <RiotingPacifist`> cajun1: do you know what packages you need to support the usb wireless device?
[23:08] <DasEI> sixofour2: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[23:08] <cajun1> i assume that dialup won't work either
[23:08] <DasEI> sixofour2: gedit /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:09] <cajun1> not specifically. kubuntu just made it work with no problem.
[23:09] <DasEI> sixofour2: you changed drives in bios, didn't you  ?
[23:09] <sixofour2> no
[23:09] <cajun1> i'm attempting to do a clean install.
[23:09] <sixofour2> i todl you i don't know anything about that
[23:09] <DasEI> sixofour2:do you an external drive ?
[23:09] <sixofour2> no
[23:09] <sixofour2> 2 hard drives
[23:09] <DasEI> real strange then
[23:10] <Dr_Willis64> 2 internal drives, both sata or ide? you installed to the first or 2nd one?
[23:10] <sixofour2> one die oen sata, sata second, installed to second
[23:10] <DasEI> sixofour2: however, menu.lst > paste
[23:10] <sixofour2> ide*
[23:10] <sixofour2> it worked before because i installed to the ide 8Gb drive, but someone said that is bad and told me to do something else
[23:11] <sixofour2> i reinstalled because altering the SATA drive required sudo
[23:11] <sixofour2> actually
[23:11] <Dr_Willis64> its Possible that the use of a ide and sata drives are causing the 'enumeration' of the drives to switch around. thus grub is getting them swapped
[23:11] <sixofour2> i can still put /home/ on the sata
[23:11] <sixofour2> and put / on ide
[23:11] <sixofour2> then i won't need sudo to use or save anything
[23:11] <Dr_Willis64> so theres no windows at all on this sytem?
[23:11] <RiotingPacifist`> cajun1: could you use the alt CD to settup the system without requiring a network connection? ive not installed ubuntu in almost a year but any install that doesnt require a net connection (not a netinstall) should work
[23:12] <sixofour2> there is nothing
[23:12] <DasEI> sixofour2: this why you get the errors, let's check menu.lst fo uuids to prevent that
[23:12] <Dr_Willis64> sixofour2,  or ya could of learned how to mount the drive properly and not reinsgtalled at all
[23:12] <sixofour2> jsut a broken kubuntu install
[23:12] <sixofour2> i did what #kubuntu told me
[23:12] <thebe> I did sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb
[23:12] <TonserPerson> i have a question...and im in bit og a desperate situation
[23:12] <thebe> is it okay to format the usb
[23:12] <Dr_Willis64> sixofour2,  if you 'must' reinstall again..i would unplug one drive.. and install to the other..  that way theres only 1 hard drive to mess with. and get that working first
[23:13] <Dr_Willis64> then you can easially put /home/ on the 2nd hd.
[23:13] <TonserPerson> i have 3 x harddisks... 1 with windows vista...and one without any os...and one with a third OS
[23:13] <sixofour2> but the install requires two drives
[23:13] <DasEI> or just another grub install with that setup, sixofour2
[23:13] <TonserPerson> i just installed kubuntu on my second drive...without a os
[23:13] <RiotingPacifist`> everybody wants tho help in here but unfortnunatly we arn't all geniouses and get stuff wrong, my guess is that all you need to do is reinstall grub from the livecd
[23:13] <Dr_Willis64> sixofour2,  that makes no sence.. You dont need 2 drives to install.
[23:13] <draik_> What would cause the recommended nVidia driver to work one minute and then cause havoc the next? I can't do anything with an nVidia driver because video gives out if it doesn't freeze first.
[23:13] <TonserPerson> reboot...select the kubuntu drive to boot from
[23:13] <thebe> but I got message that mkfs.vfat: Will not try to make filesystem on full-disk device '/dev/sdb' (use -I if wanted)
[23:13] <TonserPerson> grub error 17 occurs
[23:14] <TonserPerson> i choose my windows disk for boot...again grub error
[23:14] <Dr_Willis64> thebe,  you want to make a filesystem NOT ON /dev/sdb  but PERHAPS /dev/sdb1
[23:14] <sixofour2> one drive is 8gb, i'm not using that for / and /homer/
[23:14] <TonserPerson> what is grub doing on my windows disk_
[23:14] <sixofour2> ./home/
[23:14] <ubuntu__> any ppc users here
[23:14] <Dr_Willis64> i wouldent even mess with a 8gb hd  much at all. :)  could mount it later to some location i guess..
[23:14] <sixofour2> menu.lst http://pastebin.com/m6818c769
[23:15] <RiotingPacifist`> thebe: you normally put a partition table on a device, use qtparted
[23:15] <Dr_Willis64> they made ide drives that are 8gb in size? :) egads.how old is that thing.
[23:15] <sixofour2> 10 years old
[23:15] <sixofour2> it was my OS drive when i had windopws
[23:16] <thebe> RiotingPacifist i did not get you could you tell me the detail
[23:16] <DasEI> sixofour2: the switching around is really strange
[23:16] <sixofour2> what is switching around?
[23:16] <cajun1> riot: i installed the minimal instead of the alternate.  i'll try again
[23:16] <DasEI> sixofour2: sudo blkid                 > paste the output
[23:16] <Constrabus> There is no more space left on my boot partition to apt-get upgrade gwenview. can I have apt-get do the work somewhere else then copy the product to /boot?
[23:17] <thebe> while i did sudo fdisk -l then I got
[23:17] <thebe> thebe@Voracious:~$ sudo fdisk -l
[23:17] <sixofour2> /dev/sda1: UUID="ad69ede1-c882-4bc9-ab61-8b5c5a739732" TYPE="ext3"
[23:17] <thebe> Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes
[23:17] <sixofour2> /dev/sda5: UUID="6601b099-1dab-43c7-b55b-f5f1225a78ff" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
[23:17] <thebe> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
[23:17] <RiotingPacifist`> TonserPerson: my guess is that you installed grub to the wrong mbr, the windows cd can be used to fix its mbr, and then grub can be reinstalled to the correct mbr
[23:17] <sixofour2> /dev/sda6: UUID="8744a4fb-a7d8-4f6c-959f-8364c1ee67d2" TYPE="swap"
[23:17] <thebe> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[23:17] <sixofour2> /dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs"
[23:17] <thebe> Disk identifier: 0x0defb609
[23:17] <thebe>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[23:17] <thebe> /dev/sda1           20111       26755    53375962+  83  Linux
[23:17] <thebe> /dev/sda2   *        1307       20110   151041024    7  HPFS/NTFS
[23:17] <thebe> /dev/sda3               1        1306    10490413+   5  Extended
[23:17] <thebe> /dev/sda4           26756       38913    97659135   83  Linux
[23:17] <thebe> /dev/sda5               1        1306    10490382   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[23:17] <thebe> Partition table entries are not in disk order
[23:17] <thebe> Disk /dev/sdb: 2006 MB, 2006974464 bytes
[23:17] <ubuntu__> thebe past bin
[23:17] <thebe> 62 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1019 cylinders
[23:17] <thebe> Units = cylinders of 3844 * 512 = 1968128 bytes
[23:17] <thebe> Disk identifier: 0x000d999c
[23:17] <thebe>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[23:17] <DasEI> sixofour2: /dev/sda <> /dev/sdb  switching
[23:17] <thebe> thebe@Voracious:~$
[23:17] <sixofour2> oh
[23:17] <DasEI> !paste | thebe
[23:17] <Constrabus> There is no more space left on my boot partition to apt-get upgrade gwenview. can I have apt-get do the work somewhere else then copy the product to /boot?
[23:18] <Dr_Willis64> if a machine boots the 2nd hd.. often the 2 disks get 'switched' sda becomes sdb and so forth.. thats one ofthe reasons the UUID stuff is used these days
[23:18] <Dr_Willis64> Constrabus,  /boot/ is not where stuffinstalls to / is
[23:18] <RiotingPacifist`> cajun1: i think the wireless stuff may not be on the minimal install but you can install a full os (if thiers space) then remove what you dont want with purge to get a smaller system
[23:18] <Dr_Willis64> Constrabus,  i would clean out some of the things on your hard drive if you are that short on space
[23:19] <RiotingPacifist`> thebe: if you run a nice gui tool like qtparted you should be able to select /dev/sdb and create a large partition then format it vfat
[23:19] <sixofour2> i'll just reinstall and put / on the first drive, problem solved
[23:19] <RiotingPacifist`> draik_: kernel updates mess up the proprietary driver
[23:19] <sixofour2> that or i can switch the hard drives around
[23:20] <sixofour2> id rpefer the firsdt option
[23:20] <DasEI> sixofour2: and also check super-grub-disk for future
[23:20] <sixofour2> welp, i'll be back soon
[23:20] <DasEI> sixofour2: want to stop  here ?
[23:20] <RiotingPacifist`> sixofour2: ive not followed the entire converstation but i think you only need to reinstall grub
[23:20] <Constrabus> Dr_Willis64 I have a separate partition set to mount at /boot
[23:21] <DasEI> thebe ?
[23:21] <RiotingPacifist`> Constrabus: /boot only has your kernels, why does gwenbiew care about /boot :S
[23:23]  * Dr_Willis64 was about to say that RiotingPacifist`  :) but im cooking lunch...
[23:23] <Dr_Willis64> there /  Then theres /boot :)
[23:23] <Constrabus> RiotingPacifist` I suppose because it updated the kernel and is trying to update initramfs but doesnt have enough space to do so? =)
[23:24] <kaddi> !muse
[23:24] <Constrabus> Ill just have to resize partitions booting into gparted live
[23:24] <Dr_Willis64> if /boot/ is full.. you got some serious issues :)
[23:24] <kaddi> !info muse
[23:24] <RiotingPacifist`> Constrabus: how many kernels do you have in /boot
[23:25] <Constrabus> Rioting the one that came with the install CD and the one it is trying tto update to
[23:26] <Guest79712> need help w/ usb mount not working in 8.04
[23:27] <Guest79712> plugging in the usb key used to automount but not anymore
[23:27] <RiotingPacifist`> Constrabus: ah well then the only safe thing to do is resize the partition, if your *insane*(i.e this could break your system so dont sue me) like myself you could remove the last good kernel stuff and only leave the current kernel and the new one
[23:28] <Constrabus> RiotingPacifist` Yeah resizing is the only thing left I can do unless I want to reinstall everything. Tried removing the old kernels but when I do it wont update cuz it need the old ones to get info to update from. So im stuck in the middle. lawl :/
[23:29] <RiotingPacifist`> but how small did you make /boot lenny only takes 20M per kernel
[23:30] <Constrabus> 40M... Im used to gentoo. this install if for a friend and I didnt realize that precompiled kernels would take up so much room with all the vmimage crap lawl
[23:30] <RiotingPacifist`> wth is ubuntu doing nowerdays :S, back in 8.04 and bellow i used delete all the kernels and just hope the new one worked
[23:31] <Constrabus> beats me. gotta run. thanks for your help
[23:31] <RiotingPacifist`> Constrabus: you could make a fake /boot containing all the /boot stuff, unmount real /boot, mv /boot2 to /boot then update and move through a few good kernels to the real boot
[23:32] <Constrabus> I was thinking about that also but its my friends so then he would havee to do that every time there is a kernel update
[23:32] <Constrabus> Hes ub noob
[23:33] <Dr_Willis64> i wouldent even mess with /boot/ partition these days..
[23:33] <RiotingPacifist`> yeah still its got to be better than genkernel :P
[23:33] <Constrabus> Dont use genkernel in gentoo.
[23:33] <Constrabus> Configure/compile my own
[23:34] <Constrabus> Toodles. see you later
[23:34] <RiotingPacifist`> now you tell me! i tried that too but i was doing it wrong. cya
[23:34] <RiotingPacifist`> Dr_Willis64: lvm is defiantly worth it given the state of my hardware and i dont trust grub2, so /boot is my only option
[23:35] <Dr_Willis64> I dont find much need for me for lvm either.
[23:35] <RiotingPacifist`> i like playing around with other distros
[23:35] <Dr_Willis64> all this fancy smacncy stuff makes it harder for me to access my err... vacation pictures from live cd and so forth. ;)
[23:35] <Dr_Willis64> and other disrtos.
[23:35] <Guest79712> can someone help me get my usb key mounted?
[23:36] <Dr_Willis64> Guest79712,  if ya plug it in and wait a few moments and use 'sudo fdisk -l' does it show up ?
[23:36] <RiotingPacifist`> !paste
[23:36] <Guest79712> nope
[23:36] <Guest79712> well what should I look for?
[23:37] <RiotingPacifist`> . /dev/sdb (assuming you have only 1 hdd)
[23:37] <Dr_Willis64> pastebin the fdisk -l  output.. compare it to what it looks like BEFOR you plug in the drive
[23:37] <Guest79712> fdisk give me blocks not mb so I'm not sure if i see it or not
[23:37] <Guest79712> multilple hdds
[23:38] <Dr_Willis64> example of mine...
[23:38] <Dr_Willis64> sudo fdisk -l | grep Disk
[23:39] <Dr_Willis64> Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
[23:39] <Dr_Willis64> Disk /dev/sdb: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
[23:39] <Dr_Willis64> :) makes for cleaner output
[23:39] <Guest79712> sdb shows as one of my hdds
[23:40] <Guest79712> my usb key is not in taht list
[23:42] <qyr> Im using Kubuntu 8.10 , In Desktop Settings i see only options for Wallpaper and Desktop themes . I dont see any place where i can set a screensaver ..can someone plz help me with this ?
[23:43] <coreyman> do i have to remove kde games individually or is there a package
[23:43] <coreyman> qyr... applications>settings>screensaver
[23:44] <Guest79712> Disk /dev/sda: 20.4 GB, 20416757760 bytes
[23:44] <Guest79712> Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80032038912 bytes
[23:44] <Guest79712> Disk /dev/sdc: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
[23:44] <qyr> coreyman: in applications->settings, i have Qt4 settings,Software Sources and Wallet Management tool . Again, no option for screensaver :(
[23:44] <Guest79712> no 256mb usb key
[23:45] <coreyman> guest79712 usb may not be automounting
[23:45] <coreyman> qyr uhm
[23:45] <Guest79712> i noticed, how to get it to mount?
[23:45] <qyr> coreyman: do i need to install some package separately ?
[23:46] <coreyman> qyr i didnt have to, but im looking at .. sudo "apt-cache search screensaver" for the actual package.
[23:47] <coreyman> i think the package is kscreensaver-xsavers
[23:47] <coreyman> or try xscreensaver
[23:47] <qyr> coreyman: ok thanks,ill give that a try
[23:47] <coreyman> gues79712 i'm not sure never had that problem let me search.
[23:48] <Guest79712> k, tks
[23:49] <coreyman> guest79712 someone else had the problem and fixed it by installing some packages...
[23:49] <coreyman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80070
[23:49] <Guest79712> k, should i just look for usb pkgs?
[23:50] <coreyman> can you not see that thread?
[23:50] <HoudDenBek> guys Im on kubuntu hardy, is there a way that when I select items on the desktop, the whole name of the item is displayed?
[23:50] <Guest79712> no, haven't really config my irc client yet
[23:50] <coreyman> ok guest ill post it here.
[23:51] <adminko> hello
[23:51] <adminko> ^_^
[23:51] <Guest79712> k, i found it
[23:51] <coreyman> guest79712 you found the post :P?
[23:51] <Guest79712> yes, tks
[23:51] <adminko> I`m instal kubuntu xD
[23:51] <adminko> i`ts my 1st day whith kubuntu )
[23:51] <adminko> enybody RUS ?
[23:51] <coreyman> kool adminko
[23:51] <coreyman> RUS=Russian?
[23:51] <adminko> Yes
[23:52] <coreyman> nah, us
[23:52] <adminko> nah?
[23:52] <coreyman> no*
[23:52] <adminko> )))
[23:52] <coreyman> nah== no in slang
[23:52] <adminko> how i can instal some icq client on kubuntu? )
[23:52] <coreyman> I installed pidgin
[23:52] <Slonkie> adept
[23:53] <coreyman> sudo apt-get pidgin
[23:53] <coreyman> wait.. icq
[23:53] <coreyman> what is icq
[23:53] <coreyman> oh yeah, icq, pidgin does that
[23:53] <adminko> pidgin?
[23:53] <adminko> icq=qip=miranda
[23:53] <Haza> Folks. Can someone give me some keywords i can google about setting up a virtual machine on my Kubuntu to run windows. Software names ect?
[23:55] <coreyman> haza virtual machine from the sdn  network? i saw it earlier today on netbeans related projects im trying to find the link
[23:55] <adminko> Есть РУССКИЕ БЛЯЯЯ ?? :))))
[23:57] <coreyman> haza http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox
[23:57] <Haza> coreyman: Thanks mate. Checking it out now :)
[23:58] <coreyman> anyone know a channel for css?
[23:58] <Haza> coreyman: heheh #css
[23:58] <Haza> and #web