[00:07] <blackmoon105> hi, i've a problem with uploaad in my personal package archive: "Unable to find package_0.0.1.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution." even if the source is present in the same directory of *.changes. Can you help me?
[00:19] <cody-somerville> blackmoon105, debuild -S -sa
[00:20] <blackmoon105> cody-somerville: ok, thanks now i try with -sa
[00:26] <blackmoon105> cody-somerville: now it work, thanks
[00:27] <cody-somerville> np
[00:59] <Hobbsee> Hey all.  Why in long bugs do we only see the top 80 comments?  Often, people want to see updates on the bugs - so perhaps the first 40, the message, and then last 40 would be good?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> gmb: any idea why it's done that way?
[01:02] <nhandler> Hobbsee: That would make it difficult to follow the the comments.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> nhandler: it would?  Why?
[01:05] <nhandler> Hobbsee: If I am looking at a bug for the first time which has > 80 comments, I would be seeing the first 40 comments, and then it would jump to the last 40. This is fine if I just want to see what the bug is about and the current status, but what if I want to see the stuff that happened in between?
[01:06] <nhandler> The current way of handling it would allow me to just go through the comments in order and follow the entire history of the bug
[01:06] <Hobbsee> nhandler: no, i'm saying "move the box that's normally at the end, to the middle"
[01:06] <Hobbsee> then it will be obvious
[01:07] <Hobbsee> indeed, if you want to load all 102 comments, to see what the most recent updates on the bug are.
[01:07] <nhandler> What box at the end? I thought it was just a link, or did they update it again
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Displaying first 80 comments.  View all 102 comments or add a comment.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> in a box with a big (i)
[01:09] <nhandler> Yeah, I don't think that was there the last time I looked at a big bug. One advantage to having it at the end is that it is easy to jump to the bottom of a page. It isn't so easy to jump to the middle
[01:09] <Hobbsee> (might be only on edge yet)
[01:10]  * nhandler runs edge
[01:10] <Hobbsee> hmm, that's true.  it's easy to get there, but requires 2 page loads for something i'd think is fairly common
[01:12] <cody-somerville> Hobbsee, I think they're planning to make it ajaxy
[01:50] <maxb> Wanting to see the last comment on a bug is surely the common case?
[02:34] <MTecknology> kiko: hrm... i getted forgetten? :P
[02:39] <maxb> Hi, has there been any movement on the question of how to handle Packages-arch-specific for Soyuz recently?
[02:39]  * maxb has a list of packages that are outdate in jaunty owing to being P-a-s-masked
[02:40] <maxb> and is wondering whether to start filing bugs on each one
[06:56]  * beuno puts on his mpt hat
[06:56] <beuno> goooooood morning Launchpad(ers)
[07:00] <spm> :-D
[07:01] <beuno> man, I know I'm in a weird timezone when spm is around during my day
[07:01] <beuno> hi spm   :)
[07:01] <spm> hey beuno! ah, it's only 6pm here, so not that late yet. :-)
[07:03] <beuno> spm, but it's Thu?
[07:03] <spm> beuno: yup
[07:03] <beuno> ok, slightly saner then
[07:04]  * wgrant joins the party.
[07:04] <beuno> hey hey wgrant
[07:04] <beuno> how's it going?
[07:04] <wgrant> Pretty busy with uni, but otherwise good.
[07:04] <wgrant> Where are you at the moment?
[07:05] <beuno> lovely Cape Town, South Africa
[07:05] <wgrant> Aha.
[07:05] <wgrant> Which sprint is it this time?
[07:06] <beuno> "Take over the world with amazing User Experience" sprint
[07:07] <spm> beuno: amusingly, I was just about to suggest "Conquer the World"
[07:07] <wgrant> Of the non-Launchpaddy type with the motto "let's be as disconnected and alienating as possible"?
[07:08] <beuno> spm, conquer sounds hard. Taking over is less of a hassle
[07:08] <spm> pedantical. alive and well. :-D
[07:08] <wgrant> Heh.
[07:33] <thumper> beuno: want to head home via NZ?
[07:33] <thumper> :)
[07:36]  * wgrant wasn't aware that beuno ever got home.
[07:36] <spm> "where ever I lay my hat... that's my home..."
[07:37]  * beuno hides from thumper 
[07:37] <jamesh> new zealand is a friendly country, so not too bad a choice
[07:37] <jamesh> they won't try to fingerprint you
[07:37] <jamesh> or at least they haven't started doing so :)
[07:37] <thumper> beuno: c'mon, it'll be fun, good food, good hacking, lots of wine :)
[07:37]  * wgrant looks intimidatingly over the Tasman.
[07:38] <mwhudson> it's not exactly in between south africa and south america though
[07:38] <jamesh> and you probably won't run into any genetically engineered killer sheep
[07:38] <mwhudson> unless you go the long way around i guess
[07:38] <thumper> mwhudson: yeah it is
[07:38] <thumper> mwhudson: well, sure
[07:38] <spm> mwhudson: just directly over antarctica!
[07:38] <mwhudson> hah
[07:38] <thumper> a literal skip across the ocean
[07:38] <beuno> thumper, I'm sure it will be fun, I'm trying to cut down on fun
[07:38] <spm> think 'world == ball' vs flat map :-)
[07:38] <beuno> but we can chat more next week when I'm back home
[07:39] <thumper> home is overrated
[07:39] <thumper> unless it is mine
[07:39]  * spm was waiting for it...
[07:39] <jamesh> given that south africa is half way to Brazil for me, it probably wouldn't make sense to go from SA -> Argentina via NZ
[07:40] <jamesh> you should probably watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779982/ before going to NZ though
[07:40]  * beuno hides better
[07:40] <thumper> haha
[07:40] <thumper> that was a funny bad movie
[07:40] <spm> Black Sheep. my guess that was the movie linked to was right :-D I thought that was a spoof at first!
[07:41] <jamesh> it wasn't that bad
[07:41] <spm> better than killer tomatoes?
[07:42] <jamesh> haven't seen that one
[07:42] <spm> don't lose 90 mins of your life then :-)
[07:42] <mwhudson> come on
[07:42] <mwhudson> how many other films feature genetically engineered killer sheep?
[07:42] <spm> ok. the library scene was a classic. "To Maa Toe"
[07:43] <mwhudson> jamesh: maybe eagle vs shark would be more useful advice?
[07:43] <jamesh> I'm still looking forward to watching http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0910904/ even though it probably won't be that great
[07:43] <mwhudson> jamesh: haha
[07:46] <spm> jamesh: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080391/  but don't say I didn't warn you how bad it is. so bad a scare movie it's amusing, bad.
[07:47] <wgrant> spm: W. T. F.
[07:48] <spm> wgrant: it's easy. killer tomatoes eat everybody. plot begin and end right there :-)
[07:48] <wgrant> spm: Complex!
[07:50] <spm> wgrant: it had it's moments. The scene where the master of disguise, disguised as a tomato, is sitting round the fire eating humans with the other tomato's; turns to the one to his left and asks to be passed the Ketchup. Classic humour. ;-)
[07:51] <spm> Mind you... I think it was about 25 years ago when I saw it - mid 80's; so memory has faded on how bad it was....
[07:54] <spm> ha. they even have that line in the outed quotes page at imdb.
[07:55] <spiv> spm: one of the monster types in a C64 game I used to play were Killer Tomatoes
[07:56] <spm> spiv: that has just totally made my day! seriously! :-)
[07:56] <spiv> spm: the sprite was a big round red tomato with a little pistol
[07:56] <spm> Ha!
[07:56] <spiv> spm: it was Temple of Apshai, or something.
[07:56] <spm> don't know that one, sadly
[07:56] <spiv> Actually, no, it was the expansion pack for that...
[07:57]  * spm wonders how codebrowse would go on a C64... >:)
[07:58] <spm>  /usr/bin/python2.4 1.1Mb in size == badly.
[07:59] <jamesh> spm: so you might need to add an MMU and virtual memory ..
[07:59] <jamesh> or maybe you just need some form of bank switching
[08:00] <spm> the C64 already has that one.
[08:00]  * jamesh never had a C64
[08:00] <spm> you could poke "ROM", and it would wactually write to the RAM underneath. Allowed for some... "interesting" tricks.
[08:01] <spm> it had the full 64K of Ram, but, yeah, you had to switch stuff around to get access to it.
[08:02] <spm> tbh. the nicest thing about past reminiscing, is that it's the *past*. :-)
[08:05] <jml> anyway, I think beuno is coming to Sydney
[08:05] <jml> or I'm visiting him in BA -- it's all a bit unclear.
[08:05] <kiko> you know what I say about the girls in BA
[08:06] <beuno> BA FTW!
[09:05] <henninge> 02:39	maxb	Hi, has there been any movement on the question of how to handle Packages-arch-specific for Soyuz recently?
[09:06] <henninge> maxb: No, the soyuz team is still thinking about it.
[09:06] <wgrant> It's getting pretty late for that
[09:07] <kiko> why do you say that?
[09:07] <wgrant> We release in a month.
[09:07] <wgrant> And this has been going on for a while...
[09:07] <kiko> what's the problem?
[09:07] <kiko> is there a specific bug that needs fixing?
[09:08] <henninge> wgrant: were you referring to my answer to maxb?
[09:08] <wgrant> Probably bug #311952
[09:08] <wgrant> Which is targetted to 2.2.3, I see. Good.
[09:08] <wgrant> henninge: Yes.
[09:08] <kiko> wow, that sounds like an old bug
[09:09] <henninge> wgrant: I just relayed what bigjools told me ... :)
[09:09] <wgrant> henninge: Why is relaying necessary?
[09:09] <bigjools> it will get looked at soon
[09:09] <henninge> wgrant: see, now he's fully awake ... ;-)
[09:10] <wgrant> bigjools: Good to hear.
[09:11] <bigjools> I'm still on my first cup of coffee!
[09:11] <thumper> kiko: were you going to call?
[09:11] <bigjools> wgrant: as you noted, it's in 2.2.3
[09:11] <kiko> thumper, I need to chat with muharem first
[09:11] <wgrant> bigjools: The solution is to never sleep!
[09:11] <thumper> kiko: ok, it is 22:11 now
[09:12] <bigjools> wgrant: unfortunately my wife wouldn't be too happy about that :)
[09:12] <al-maisan> wgrant: that solution becomes less viable the longer it drags on ;)
[09:12] <wgrant> al-maisan: Hm, perhaps.
[09:13] <kiko> thumper, let's leave it for your morning then, I'm happy to ring you in 8h
[09:13] <wgrant> al-maisan: How're archive rebuilds coming along?
[09:13] <wgrant> I was hoping I wouldn't have to organise any this late in Jaunty :(
[09:13] <domas> hello! where can I find wiki or other document management functionality, to have bigger descriptions of things for blueprints?
[09:14] <domas> =)
[09:15] <beuno> domas, is this for Ubuntu?  if it is, you can use: wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:15] <domas> nope, just a launchpad-hosted project
[09:15] <al-maisan> wgrant: re. the archive rebuilds .. the core functionality is there but initiating a rebuild is not exposed through the web application yet.
[09:15] <beuno> if not, any other place you'd like, we don't currently provide wikis, although we'd like to in the near-ish future
[09:16] <wgrant> al-maisan: And I suppose the new slave scanner and pooled buildds would make them a lot more efficient?
[09:17] <wgrant> == more plausible
[09:17] <al-maisan> wgrant: the recent build farm management improvements (particularly the improved build dispatch throughput) are of general benefit
[09:18] <thumper> kiko: cool
[09:19] <al-maisan> wgrant: rebuilds will result in more build activity, build dispatch throughput improvements are kind of important :)
[09:19] <kiko> thumper, call with mark on monday 9:00 UTC
[09:19] <kiko> am
[09:19] <kiko> so 6am for me
[09:19] <al-maisan> kiko: 7 am?
[09:19] <thumper> kiko: ack
[09:20] <bigjools> wgrant: new slave scanner == ~25m less per scan of the whole build farm
[09:20] <kiko> al-maisan, dialing now
[09:20] <al-maisan> OK
[09:22] <wgrant> bigjools: 25 minutes!? Out of how long? I didn't think it could be that bad...
[09:23] <bigjools> wgrant: ~29 -> ~4
[09:23] <bigjools> I'll blog about it when I get more accurate figures
[09:23] <domas> beuno: damnit. thats what one gets for running biggest wiki on the interweb, no personal/project wiki :(
[09:23] <wgrant> bigjools: That's quite an impressive improvement.
[09:24] <bigjools> wgrant: indeed - the old scanner did not scale *at all*
[09:26] <beuno> domas, which project is this?
[09:27] <domas> beuno: my personal is 'mydumper' ;-)
[09:27] <domas> beuno: I'm working on wikipedia in spare time too, though
[09:29] <beuno> domas, ah, interesting. So you already have a wiki!  ;)
[09:30] <domas> haha, could use mysql forge wiki :)
[09:30] <beuno> domas, do you use bzr?
[09:30] <domas> I'd like it to be self-contained
[09:30] <domas> beuno: yup!
[09:30] <domas> though "you" can mean three different entities :)
[09:30] <beuno> it's pretty high on our list, having a wiki
[09:31] <beuno> bzr-backed and everything
[09:31] <domas> mysql is bzr, I personally use bzr, wikipedia is still mostly SVN
[09:31] <beuno> domas, it's odd that a project like wikipedia wouldn't have moved to DVCS yet
[09:31] <domas> beuno: there're not that many developers, though
[09:32] <domas> and we still remember the pain of switching from CVS
[09:32] <domas> we were the sourceforge beta customer back then :)
[09:33] <beuno> domas, you *could* have a mirror of wikipedia's SVN on Launchpad, and use bzr  ;)
[09:34] <wgrant> beuno: Unfortunately that's not too useful until LP uses bzr-svn :(
[09:35] <beuno> wgrant, we're getting there
[09:35] <beuno> thumper_laptop, has lots of secret plans
[09:36] <wgrant> Excellent! Then I can turn off my cron job and blame somebody else when it breaks.
[09:38] <beuno> and, don't tell anyone, git imports as well
[09:38] <wgrant> That's not going to make you too popular, I'm afraid.
[09:39] <beuno> being popular is overrated
[09:39] <dholbach> could it be that loggerhead/codebrowse is unhappy atm?
[09:40] <wgrant> It's going to get rid of any people who might be holding out for LP to provide git hosting, even though you've repeatedly said it's not going to happen.
[09:40] <elmo> dholbach: yes.  bounced
[09:40] <dholbach> elmo: gracias!
[09:41] <beuno> wgrant, setting people's expectations right is a good thing
[09:41] <beuno> herb, spm, is codebrowse slacking off again?
[09:41] <beuno> ah
[09:41] <beuno> taken care of
[09:42] <wgrant> beuno: Oh yes, I'm not saying it's not a good thing.
[10:44] <wgrant> You know, I actually quite like that shortlist() bug. It means Ubuntu bug-related pages are sanely sized again.
[10:47] <intellectronica> wgrant: heh, yes, but it would be better if it was shortlisted after sorting by popularity rather than alphabetically :)
[10:47] <wgrant> intellectronica: Certainly.
[10:48] <wgrant> I see that your official tag stuff will resolve this in a somewhat more useful way.
[10:48] <intellectronica> wgrant: anyway, this is going to be sorted this cycle, since we're introducing official tags
[10:48] <intellectronica> exactly
[10:49] <wgrant> intellectronica: What was shortlist meant to do? It certainly didn't make them very short before...
[10:50] <intellectronica> wgrant: the original implementation was more a facility for the developer - it issued warnings when the list got too long, but didn't actually truncate it
[10:50] <wgrant> intellectronica: Aha.
[11:45] <wgrant> noodles775: Putting the archive secret in the username spot seems like a seriously bad idea. Things are more likely to censor the password than the username.
[11:46] <noodles775> wgrant: it was more that the username is useless in this case... bigjools ^^^
[11:46] <noodles775> (well, almost useless information)
[11:46] <wgrant> noodles775: Right, but I think it might still be useful to have in there.
[11:46] <bigjools> it's not useful
[11:46] <wgrant> If on a shared system I have a P3A installed, I probably want to know how I can reissue the token.
[11:47] <noodles775> wgrant: yep, that'll be possible through the UI - LP knows which token corresponds to which user...
[11:48] <noodles775> but I'm not sure I'm understanding your concern...
[11:48] <wgrant> noodles775: It isn't possible, because I don't own the P3A and don't know whose account was used to create the token.
[11:49] <wgrant> It may not be obviously useful to have the username there, but putting something secret in a non-secret place for no good reason doesn't seem like a good idea.
[11:50] <noodles775> wgrant: perhaps... the only 'good reason' I think was to simplify the deb url...
[11:50] <wgrant> If I looked at that, I would think it was a mistake.
[12:07] <IntuitiveNipple> danilos: jtv: ping ?
[12:10] <jtv> IntuitiveNipple: both in call
[12:11] <jtv> IntuitiveNipple: urgent?
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> quick one:  I've had a bunch of emails confirming I'd uploaded gnome-screensaver translations - but I never did!
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe we can come bakc ot it once you're free?
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> s/bakc ot/back to/
[12:19]  * henninge lunches
[12:20] <danilos> IntuitiveNipple: did you not upload an Ubuntu package?
[12:21] <IntuitiveNipple> No, and even stranger the emails are dated Tuesday when I was off-line.
[12:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Tueday, 7.27am - 10.23am, 182 notification emails
[12:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Example: here's the message source of the last email: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130135/
[13:41]  * henninge is back
[14:14] <Adri2000> is it intended that time on bugs' +activity page is utc while it seems to be local time everywhere else?
[14:21] <persia> henninge, I've no idea where offline-installer may have gone, but there's still interest in tracking it.
[14:22] <persia> henninge, It's completely different from offline-updater
[14:23] <henninge> persia: Found it: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/drupal/+spec/offline-installer
[14:23] <henninge> seems like ubuntu-drupal was moved to drupal
[14:23] <henninge> or renamed, rather
[14:23] <persia> Ah.  That would confuse things, but maybe make them less likely to get all the spec reassignments by default.
[14:24] <henninge> persia: but it should still be under ubuntu, right?
[14:25] <persia> Right.
[14:26] <persia> Is that something that can be done directly yet, or are we still waiting for the bug to be resolved (on passing things over the project/distro wall)?
[14:27] <awilkins> If you dput -f a source package with the same version name will rebuilding it use the new version?
[14:28] <persia> awilkins, dput -f only forces locally.  Soyuz will reject it because it's an already uploaded version.
[14:28] <awilkins> Thanks
[14:29] <awilkins> So I need to hike the version number?
[14:30] <persia> If you want to upload something to a launchpad-hosted repository, it needs to have a higher version number than is already in that repository (or in a repository on which that repository depends).
[14:31] <awilkins> persia: Righto. I'm not sure why the build failed, to be honest, it failed to apply a patch that seems to work just fine here, so I'm operating under the assumption that I left the file it was patching in a bad state before I uploaded it..
[14:31] <persia> awilkins, You may find it useful to try local builds with sbuild to simulate the environment
[14:32] <persia> !sbuild
[14:32] <awilkins> persia: Thanks for that, this is my first day trying to package debs
[14:40] <henninge> persia: It seems that bug about retargetting blueprints is not easily fixed, I am sorry.
[14:40] <henninge> persia: How about creating a new blueprint in Ubuntu and either copying the content of the current one or refer to it from the new entry?
[14:41] <persia> henninge, I expected that, since the same class of bug applies also to retargeting bugs and questions.
[14:41] <FreeUser> is there any launchpad admin here??
[14:42] <persia> Personally, I *really* don't like that solution, especially because 1) there's no advanced search for blueprints, and 2) there's not a clearly mapped out set of blueprint status values that allow for blueprints that don't get implemented.
[14:43] <persia> I'll discuss with those tracking the blueprint to see if they think it's important enough, but I'd be happy to wait another cycle or two (as long as it can be properly placed for May).
[14:43] <henninge> FreeUser: If you have an admin request, please file a question: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[14:44] <persia> On the other hand, if there's no improvements expected to blueprints before May, then I might have to use the workaround anyway.
[14:44] <persia> (which is all the more annoying as this is only one of several blueprints I would like to see retargeted)
[14:45] <henninge> persia: I do not know the readmap, but I don't expect too much progress on blueprints until may.
[14:45] <FreeUser> henninge: i can't becuase i lost my email account
[14:45] <FreeUser> so i can't login there
[14:45] <persia> Do you mean "until may", as in they might be there in may, or "until may" as in "at least not before may, and probably longer"?
[14:45] <henninge> persia: I wonder if some-one could do some database-magic to help you ...
[14:46] <persia> It was in the hope of said DB magic I filed the question :)
[14:46] <henninge> ;)
[14:46] <henninge> I am not sure what the LOSAs tried, exactly.
[14:46] <henninge> persia: ^
[14:47] <persia> Would you mind chasing it up with a LOSA one more time?  If it can't be resolved, I'll use a workaround.  If it can, I'll review more carefully what ought be against Ubuntu for May, and submit another question with the list, and a reference to this question for procedure.
[14:47] <henninge> FreeUser: You mean "lost" as in "I don't have acces to it anymore" ? ;)
[14:48] <henninge> persia: will do
[14:48] <persia> henninge, Thank you.
[14:49] <FreeUser> henninge: yes, i did use bugmenot.com to register my email and didn't bother to remember the adress, because i had it saved in Firefox
[14:50] <FreeUser> :p
[14:52] <henninge> FreeUser: Please create an account with you new email address first, then file a question with the new account to merge the other account into it.
[14:53] <henninge> FreeUser: No need to use something like bugmenot.com on Launchpad ... ;-)
[15:02] <henninge> persia: I assume when you talk about "May", you are talking about UDS?
[15:05] <persia> Well, hopefully sufficiently before then to effectively plan schedules, etc.
[15:05] <henninge> persia: ;-)
[15:05] <persia> So, say, being able to manipulate things effectively sometime before the 11th.
[15:06] <persia> Given that, it would probably have to land in the release in late April.
[15:06] <persia> Which would mean next cycle, so if there aren't plans, there isn't much time to get them :)
[15:06] <persia> Anyway, far too late here.  I'll read backscroll.
[16:16] <technopagan1> Hi! I deleted some files on my local checkout, wanted to grab the actual files from Launchpad again, did bzr update and check and it all dispays that all is fine. But it isn't. There are whole files missing on my local checkout. How di I force a download from Launchpad to overwrite my local files?
[16:16] <beuno> technopagan1, run: bzr status
[16:16] <beuno> what does that tell you?
[16:17] <technopagan1> beuno: That there's one file removed + one file unkown
[16:18] <beuno> technopagan1, you can do:  bzr revert
[16:18] <beuno> and it will revert the state
[16:19] <technopagan1> beuno: But it will not revert the branch on Launchpad to a previous revision, will it?
[16:19] <beuno> technopagan1, this will only affect your working tree
[16:19] <technopagan1> beuno: Because I don't want to damage something there
[16:19] <beuno> please do keep in mind that checkouts are bound to their parent, in the case, the launchpad branch
[16:19] <beuno> so if you delete and commit, it will do the same in LP
[16:20] <beuno> if you don't want that, you should use "bzr branch" instead
[16:20] <beuno> but now, it's safe to revert
[16:20] <beuno> you can always go back to a previous revision
[16:20] <technopagan1> beuno: So I don't need to use remove $filename to take a file out of the branch. Simply deleting it locally + then commiting is enough?
[16:21] <beuno> technopagan1, well, 'bzr rm FILE' is better
[16:23] <technopagan1> beuno: Thank you! It worked!
[16:23] <beuno> technopagan1, happy to help
[17:43] <qsi> hello, I have renamed some files in my code, how can I make sure the launchpad associates the old names with the new names?
[17:44] <henninge> qsi: did you use "bzr rename" (or move, mv) ?
[17:45] <qsi> henninge: I didn't do anything yet, but i'm planning to rename, ...
[17:45] <qsi> what's the best approach?
[17:45] <henninge> qsi: oh, "have renamed" made me think differntly ... ;-)
[17:46] <qsi> henninge: yeah that's true :)
[17:46] <henninge> qsi: If you are talking about a bzr repository, use "bzr rename" to rename them.
[17:51] <henninge> persia: I just saw I forgot to tell you:
[17:51] <qsi> henninge: ok, I'm curious how that will work out, ... looks logical, so if I want to diff the a version in loggerhead of a file, I can do this between the newly renamed file and a file which has the old name? Or will all files be renamed?
[17:52] <henninge> persia: Please file a question with all the blueprints, as you had suggested. They can only be moved with db magic.
[17:52] <henninge> qsi: if you "bzr rename" files they are renamed, in that revision.
[17:53] <qsi> henninge: but loggerhead will be smart enough to still be able to diff files between different revisions
[17:53] <henninge> qsi: loggerhead is just a front end for bzr, so we are talkling bzr here.
[17:53] <henninge> qsi: I should think so
[17:54] <qsi> henninge: right, so /loggerhead/bzr/
[17:54] <henninge> qsi: renaming is just an operation on the file, just like changing the content.
[17:54] <henninge> qsi: let me try it out ...
[18:00] <henninge> qsi: it is as I said: http://pastebin.com/d32f157e4
[18:01] <henninge> qsi: works as you suggested ;)
[18:02] <qsi> henninge: neat, bzr is quite new to me, but I really start to like it more and more
[18:02] <qsi> hennigne: thanks for having a look at this for me
[18:04] <henninge> qsi: np, I like to try out cases that I don't come accross that often.
[18:04] <henninge> across
[18:04] <henninge> ?
[18:06] <henninge> ok, I am done for today.
[18:06] <qsi> across i guess
[18:07] <henninge> qsi: :-)
[21:39] <jimi_hendrix> hi, noob question...i want to contribute a little code to a friends project and he told me to branch it...what console command with bzr would that be?
[21:40] <LarstiQ> jimi_hendrix: bzr branch <url to project>
[21:40] <LarstiQ> jimi_hendrix: say, bzr branch lp:bzr-svn/0.5 for the 0.5 series of bzr-svn on launchpad
[21:41] <LarstiQ> jimi_hendrix: or bzr branch bzr+ssh://host/srv/bzr/product/trunk, or bzr branch ~friend/project, you get the idea :)
[21:41] <jimi_hendrix> ok
[21:42] <jimi_hendrix> do i need a lp account?
[21:43] <thumper> no
[21:43] <thumper> not to branch
[21:43] <thumper> although bzr will ask you to do a lp-login if you use the lp URL
[21:43] <thumper> which you don't have to do to get the branch over http
[21:44] <thumper> but if you want to make your code easily accessible to your friend
[21:44] <LarstiQ> and you don't need it at all if you're not interacting with launchpad
[21:44] <thumper> by putting your code back on LP
[21:44] <thumper> then yes, you'll need to login
[21:44] <thumper> a login
[21:44] <thumper> and an ssh key
[21:45] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: which branch did you friend ask you to get?
[21:47] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, colist
[21:47] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, also how do i specify what code to branch?
[21:47] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: as in the main branch for colist?
[21:48] <jimi_hendrix> ya
[21:48] <jimi_hendrix> well i think so
[21:48] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: do you have bzr installed?
[21:48] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: do a `bzr --version`
[21:50] <jimi_hendrix> version 1.3.1
[21:52] <thumper> ouch
[21:52] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: what OS?
[21:52] <jimi_hendrix> Ubuntu (dont laugh)
[21:54] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, its debian based...so...
[21:54] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: I'm using ubuntu too
[21:54] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: I wouldn't laugh :)
[21:54] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you really want to get a more recent bzr
[21:55] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: are you comfortable editing your apt sources list?
[21:55] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, yes
[21:55] <jimi_hendrix> i have setup arch by my self :)
[21:55] <thumper> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa
[21:55] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: add the bzr team's ppa
[21:56] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: and upgrade your bzr
[21:56] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: it'll make stuff go faster
[21:56] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: bzr is nicer than arch :)
[21:57] <jimi_hendrix> lol
[21:58] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, wheres the apt sources again?  i always forget
[21:58] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:58]  * thumper thinks#
[21:58] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: or you could use adept-manager (for kde) or synaptic (for gnome)
[22:00] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, what should the line read?
[22:00] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: which ubuntu do you have
[22:01] <jimi_hendrix> 8.04
[22:01] <jimi_hendrix> fglrx dont love me in ibex
[22:02] <thumper> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bzr/ppa/ubuntu hardy main
[22:02] <jimi_hendrix> thanks
[22:04] <jimi_hendrix> bah? still at 1.3.1
[22:04] <kiko-afk> jimi_hendrix, really?
[22:05] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you still need to do the `sudo aptitude upgrade`
[22:05] <jimi_hendrix> oh duh
[22:05] <thumper> update then upgrade
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> 1.12
[22:07] <thumper> cool
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> ok, now back to branching to colist
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> how do i do it
[22:07] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: do you have an LP login?
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> yes
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> jimi_hendrix
[22:08] <thumper> `bzr lp-login jimi_hendrix`
[22:08] <thumper> then go to where you want to create the branch
[22:08] <thumper> and do `bzr branch lp:colist`
[22:09] <jimi_hendrix> wait
[22:09] <jimi_hendrix> do i need to lp-login my email?
[22:09] <jimi_hendrix> because when i login it asks for my email
[22:10] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you should also do `bzr whoami "your name <your@email.address>"`
[22:11] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you don't seem to have a launchpad account
[22:11] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: at least not where you said
[22:11] <jimi_hendrix> try myspot40@gmail.com?
[22:11] <jimi_hendrix> cause it asks for my email when i login and i get that
[22:11] <thumper> when you log in, and click on your name in the top right hand corner, what is the url
[22:12] <jimi_hendrix> ~myspot40
[22:13] <jimi_hendrix> ok it says i need to register ssh keys
[22:14] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you should use your gmail address above in the bzr whoami
[22:14] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: that way Launchpad can link your commits to your user
[22:14] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: do you have an SSH key?
[22:14] <jimi_hendrix> no?
[22:14] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you don't actually need it to get the branch
[22:15] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: have you done the whoami?
[22:16] <cyberix> kiko-afk: When I brand a project
[22:17] <cyberix> kiko-afk: I'm asked to give images of three different sizes
[22:17] <cyberix> kiko-afk: brand, logo, icon
[22:17] <jimi_hendrix> yes
[22:17] <kiko-afk> cyberix, yeah, it's because we want them pixel perfect. :)
[22:17] <cyberix> kiko-afk: where is the logo sized image displayed
[22:18] <jimi_hendrix> it gives my real name though and i dont want that
[22:18] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: ooh... kay...
[22:19] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: then don't use your real name ?
[22:19] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: either way, you can use `bzr branch lp:colist` to get the branch
[22:19] <ronny> hi
[22:19] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: and since you don't have an lp-login defined
[22:19] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: it should get it over http
[22:20] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, uhh it has my hostname and stuff, but i didnt put my real name in my profile
[22:20] <jimi_hendrix> so should i log out?
[22:20] <jimi_hendrix> then will it contribute anonymosly?
[22:20] <ronny> anyone of the team here, we just enabled the trac plugin in our trac and would like to know if it works
[22:21] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: I don't understand what you are trying to do
[22:21] <rockstar> intellectronica, see ronny's comment above
[22:21] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: all revisions will have some form of author recorded
[22:21] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: this is defined by the whoami command
[22:21] <jimi_hendrix> ok, how do i change what is outputed by the whoami command
[22:22] <nhandler> jimi_hendrix: bzr whoami 'New Name <email@host>'
[22:22] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: `bzr help whoami`
[22:22] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: it is helpful to have a real email address that will get to you
[22:22] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: it is the purpose of recording it
[22:22] <intellectronica> ronny: which project?
[22:22] <intellectronica> gmb: ^^^
[22:23] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, i rarely check my real email...i probably check my junk one (myspot40@gmail.com) more often than my real one
[22:23]  * gmb catches up
[22:23] <gmb> ronny: What intellectronica said, first of all :)
[22:23] <jimi_hendrix> ok
[22:23] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: just use whatever
[22:23] <jimi_hendrix> and i branch the code with bzr branch lp:colist
[22:24] <ronny> intellectronica: pida
[22:24] <intellectronica> gmb: do we still have to reset all existing watches before we start pulling using the plugin?
[22:24] <gmb> intellectronica: Ideally, yes.
[22:25] <gmb> intellectronica: In this case it's 8 watches.
[22:25] <intellectronica> wow, i python ide. i should give this a try
[22:25] <gmb> ronny, intellectronica: I'll take care of it.
[22:25] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: yes
[22:25] <intellectronica> gmb: cool, thanks
[22:25] <ronny> nice, thanks
[22:26] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, do i need to be in the dir with all the stuff? or do i specify what dir to use
[22:26] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: if you are in say ~/src
[22:26] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: then calling bzr branch lp:colist, will create a directory colist in ~src
[22:27] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: or you can give it another parameter to define the location to branch to
[22:27] <jimi_hendrix> ok
[22:56] <gmb> ronny: Okay, the plugin appears to be working okay, but Launchpad is having some trouble telling the PIDA Trac which LP bug refers to a given Trac bug. If it's okay with you I'll try to debug this tomorrow (it's 22:55 my time). I've filed this as bug 341997; please subscribe to that for updates.
[22:58] <ronny> gmb: thats ok
[23:57] <vila> Does anyone know how to delete a milestone like https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+milestone/1.14rc1-error (created in the wrong series)