[11:52] <kwwii> if anyone knows or talks to kido, tell him to answer his email concerning the licensing of Dust :)
[12:15] <andreasn> kwwii, hi! I recently noticed you did some fixes to not-connected-thing with the Network Manager icon. Did you look into the connecting stage as well? Haven't been able to figure out any smart design for that.
[12:36] <kwwii> andreasn: actually, we just updated the offline icon just a few minutes ago...wanted to talk to you about that actually
[12:36] <kwwii> I have thought about the connecting animation but we decided that for jaunty there is not enough time to do it
[12:36] <_MMA_> andreasn: I already have an assumption as to the answer to this question but I'm wondering if there is/will/should be support for SSD drives in FreeDesktop? Something like "drive-ssddisk" maybe?
[12:37] <andreasn> _MMA_, no idea, you can probably check with dobey
[12:37] <_MMA_> Gotcha
[12:39] <andreasn> kwwii, I think the meters+[x] makes sense, That's how my cell phone does it. Previously the icon was too much about network, and while that's true in one sense, I think people tend to think more in terms of "does my Internet work, and how fast will it be?"
[12:39] <andreasn> kwwii, so I welcome the change
[12:42] <andreasn> _MMA_, I think he's in #ubuntu-devel, but he might not be awake yet
[12:42] <_MMA_> swalko: If you're happy with your accessories-calculator I'll be adding it to Breathe in the next day or so.
[12:42] <_MMA_> andreasn: I checked. He's connected but looks away.
[12:44] <andreasn> I think he's located in Texas or something like that
[12:44] <kwwii> andreasn: cool, we should discuss this stuff more when there is more time
[12:45] <andreasn> kwwii, sure. Now it's time for lunch.
[12:45] <kwwii> cool, bon appetit
[13:14] <swalko> _MMA_: if you want, you may add it
[13:14] <swalko> _MMA_: i am fully busy now
[13:47] <kwwii> _MMA_: we currently don't differentiate between scsi, ide or raid, do we?
[13:48] <_MMA_> kwwii: No. But it was a point that was brought up at one point. I was just looking into it.
[13:49] <kwwii> _MMA_: to be honest I doubt there is a reason that a user needs this info, but that is just my opinion ;)
[13:50] <_MMA_> kwwii: Sure.
[14:49] <yharrow> Does anybody know what the design status of Jaunty is? are we just going to go with that very out of place GDM screen as the "big change" and make no further changes?
[14:50] <yharrow> I've been following the art list for a while and seen some really good work, but its impossible for me to tell what will actually be implemented in this next release.
[14:52] <_MMA_> yharrow: The art list as it is is really just community art. With loose connections to anything official for Ubuntu. /That's/ Canonicals show.
[14:53] <yharrow> _MMA_, ok, I can understand that. But wouldnt it make sense for canonical to give at least some tiny indication of what work fits its goals, so that artists have at least some idea of which direction they should go in?
[14:54] <yharrow> Or is the art community simply irrelevant and akin to an ubuntu dedicated gnome-looks.org?
[14:54] <_MMA_> yharrow: Sure. In as much as it makes sense for the U.S. gov to tell me *exactly* how my taxes are being spent on various bail-out efforts. :P
[14:55] <yharrow> _MMA_, are you trying to tell me that their design process is confidential?
[14:55] <_MMA_> yharrow: Communication could be better, sure. Hopefully things will be better for Karmic.
[14:56] <yharrow> I'm just really dissapointed, since they did tout "a great visual overhaul" in this release
[14:56] <yharrow> and while I and other people within the community were working hard to make that happen, what was canonical doing?
[14:56] <_MMA_> yharrow: I'm saying I believe /they/ are still figuring that out. So they can hardy tell us.
[14:57] <_MMA_> *hardly
[14:57] <yharrow> _MMA_, lack of organization much?
[14:57]  * _MMA_ shrugs.
[14:58] <andreasn> yharrow, "great visual overhaul" have been said for a couple of releases back now. maybe it's rather going to happen in smaller steps over several releases.
[14:59] <_MMA_> yharrow: I would just contribute to the handful of smaller but still organized projects on the list.
[15:00] <yharrow> You know what, if they left the release the way it was, I would completely agree. But they went out of their way to include a less than professional looking GDM screen in the alpha that completely clashes with both the overal look and some of the newer themes
[15:01] <yharrow> it makes me say to myself "what were they thinking?
[15:04] <yharrow> _MMA_, which organized projects are you referring to?
[15:05] <_MMA_> "Breathe" for one.
[15:08] <kwwii> nobody said that we were going to do a total overhaul for this release
[15:08] <kwwii> we had wanted one for intrepid but that didn't work out....after that we started to build our new team
[15:09] <kwwii> and just yesterday I had a meeting with important people discussing my plans for increasing the effort on community artwork
[15:09] <kwwii> we are planning on pushing out a bunch of design briefs for pretty much every part of the desktop
[15:10] <kwwii> and I am working on setting up the same kind of thing with two very well known art and design schools
[15:11] <_MMA_> \m/
[15:12] <kwwii> also, I'll be putting out a codument once a month or so with the best stuff from the community, the best stuf from outside the community and the best stuff from canonical and the desgin school efforts
[15:12] <kwwii> erm, document
[15:12] <kwwii> but anyway, more about all of that when things are finalized
[15:17] <tretle> kwii - I suspect that when ubuntu switches to packagekit it will be easier to make things like community theme packs etc gain more visability
[15:18] <tretle> imho visibility of these things is probably one of the current issues
[15:19] <tretle> and when theres new releases there should be some amount of effort put into advertising changes in certain add on packages like community art packs
[15:19] <_MMA_> kwwii: Also, I gotta figure out how Synaptics new "Screenshot" feature works. (new button at the bottom near package info) This would be nice for themes and such.
[15:21]  * tretle thinks it was a bad idea adding the screenshot in the description widget, it should have been done like gloobus
[15:26] <zniavre> http://img13.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=capturemgq.png
[15:28] <_MMA_> zniavre: Nice. I dig that.
[15:30]  * tretle thinks that the fact that there are no size requirements on the screenshots makes synaptic look unbalanced 
[15:31] <kwwii> tretle: to be honest, it is more about doing the packaging the themes than anything else
[15:31] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah
[16:47] <thorwil> kwwii: just as i was about to work over kyudo. official design briefs could make much of it obsolete
[16:47] <kwwii> thorwil: actually, I think you'll find that it could help to define it better
[16:47] <kwwii> we could tie everything into one piece
[16:49] <thorwil> well, i guess conflicts can be worked out if and when they happen
[16:49] <kwwii> thorwil: right, I'll keep you in mind when we start this stuff
[16:50] <kwwii> thorwil: your commitment to the artwork community is pretty amazing and I hate to waste it
[16:50] <thorwil> the one clear change in my mind has been to drop the whole "we" thing, trying to invite participation in building the kyudo doc itself. no more :)
[16:51] <thorwil> kwwii: it's all selfish. have to do something to not get insane, not using any of my skills at work ;>
[17:05] <thorwil> http://streetanatomy.com/blog/2009/03/11/not-your-grandmas-rocking-chair/
[17:09] <kwwii> thorwil: actually, loosing the we is a really good idea
[17:10] <kwwii> hehe
[17:10] <thorwil> i just realised it didn't work and it's more honest without
[17:11] <kwwii> yes, I think so too
[17:11] <kwwii> well, time for dinner soon, my last evening in South Africa....see you all tomorrow before I fly home
[17:12] <thorwil> ok, bon appetite, cya
[17:12] <kwwii> ciao
[19:06] <tretle> are there any plans for a new wallpaper/gtk theme before the artwork deadline?