[04:47] <a|wen> anyone here who is kind of responsible for the BugSquad part of the wiki?
[04:49] <a|wen> would it be possible to split out the "Hug day! [date]" text in the header https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Header on it's own page? that would make it possible to include the always correct date in the header on all the kubuntu-pages on the wiki (now we need to update manually; which is only done once a month or so)
[06:13] <dholbach> good morning
[06:32] <a|wen> dholbach: morning ... do you have anything to do with the bugsquad pat of the wiki?
[06:32] <dholbach> a|wen: I used to, but not so much anymore - pedro might be a much better contact for it
[06:33] <dholbach> or bdmurray or ogasawara
[06:33] <a|wen> dholbach: okay; just a "small" change i didn't want to do so not to mess up stuff...
[06:34] <dholbach> a|wen: what is it?
[06:34] <a|wen> splitting out the "Hug day! [date]" text in the header https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Header on it's own page? that would make it possible to include the always correct date in the header on all the kubuntu-pages on the wiki :)
[06:34] <dholbach> a|wen: sounds reasonable :)
[06:34] <dholbach> we've done that in a few other MOTU pages too
[06:35] <a|wen> :) ... does going with /BugSquad/Header/Hugday sound okay?
[06:36] <dholbach> yeah
[06:44] <a|wen> done! ... cool, no more manual updating :)
[06:44] <dholbach> rock and roll!
[06:44] <dholbach> :-)
[06:54] <YoBoY> good morning
[10:04] <gnomefreak> mvo: if your around i have a bug that i think is something that cant be fixed in update-manager its bug 81464
[10:07] <mvo> thanks gnomefreak, I have a look
[10:07] <BUGabundo> isn't there a dbgsym version of cheese? its seg faulting on me
[10:07] <gnomefreak> mvo: np thanks for looking
[10:08] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: cheese-dbgsym
[10:09] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: cheese-dbgsym - debug symbols for package cheese
[10:09] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: not there on ddebs
[10:09] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: oh than no  that is where all the dbgsym as far as i know let me check if there is a dbg package.
[10:10] <BUGabundo> ok got a trace non the less
[10:10] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: nope thats it
[10:10] <BUGabundo> filing on LP
[10:10] <BUGabundo> yeah, I checked it too... no debug version
[10:11] <gnomefreak> ask them to add minhary build of dbg in the package (add to control file and need to add 1 line to rules however i dont remember offf hand since we dropped dbg in mozilla packages for size reason
[10:11] <gnomefreak> dbg in mozilla apps run ~50mb
[10:12] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/341618
[10:13] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: did you use apport to file the crash bug? if you do that apport will add dbg symbols adn will mark as a duplicate if there is one :) pitti did a great job on apport
[10:14] <BUGabundo> already added them
[10:15] <BUGabundo> manually
[10:15] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/341618/comments/2
[10:15] <BUGabundo> humm let me fire up apport once again
[10:16] <gnomefreak> that is a great backtrace it has the info needed by the looks of it
[10:16] <BUGabundo> nice
[10:20] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: apport is not finding the one that I manually posted
[10:20] <BUGabundo> with the auto generated!
[10:20] <BUGabundo> should I file both and mark as dupe?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: it wont you need to double click file in /var/crash and follow the promts
[10:21] <BUGabundo> ahh
[10:21] <BUGabundo> didn't know I could double click it
[10:21] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yes make 341618 a dup. of the apport fileed bug
[10:22] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:22] <ttx> signasap
[10:22] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: you can run from trm but i cant for the life of me remember (i think its "apport filename in /var/crash"
[10:22] <BUGabundo> humm
[10:22] <ttx> er.
[10:22] <BUGabundo> that never worked for me
[10:23] <ttx> Feel free to bug me with any samba-hugday-related questions btw
[10:25] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: dupe of bug 341624 now
[10:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: im not signed up for cheese so when in private i can see load page
[10:29] <BUGabundo> ohh
[10:29] <BUGabundo> let me unmark it then
[10:31] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: clear now
[10:31] <BUGabundo> ahh
[10:31] <BUGabundo> v4lconvert_convert()
[10:31] <BUGabundo> I'm pretty sure that the driver working
[10:31] <BUGabundo> let me alert Nol to it
[10:31] <gnomefreak> i missed that in the backtrace but as long are you see it thats all that matters
[10:32] <BUGabundo> I don't
[10:32] <BUGabundo> its the subject
[10:32] <BUGabundo> LOL
[10:32] <BUGabundo> let me attach the dmesg traces too
[10:32] <BUGabundo> Nol is gonna need them
[10:35] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130102/plain/
[11:06] <Hew> Could someone have a look at this backtrace http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23760111/gdb-pidgin.txt from bug 341045? It looks a bit unusual to me, I'm not sure if it's complete or not.
[11:09] <BUGabundo> Hew: I get pidgin crashes
[11:09] <BUGabundo> but never seen one like that
[11:09] <BUGabundo> it would look to be plugin related
[11:10] <seb128> Hew: yeah, it's not useful
[11:10] <BUGabundo> ask him to run --debug too
[11:10] <BUGabundo> and watch for the plugin list
[11:10] <pedro_> hey folks, remember that we're celebrating a samba hug day today https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090312 , feel free to grab any bug out of the list and squash it
[11:10] <pedro_> bonjour seb128
[11:10] <seb128> hello pedro_
[11:10] <seb128> pedro_: how do you say hello again in your weird language? ;-)
[11:11] <pedro_> weird language?
[11:11]  * pedro_ grabs his shotgun
[11:11] <Hew> thanks BUGabundo, seb128.
[11:11]  * seb128 offers pedro_ a guinea pig to eat
[11:11] <delicowa> hi i suppose today is the hug day..How do things work on hug days
[11:12] <pedro_> lol
[11:12] <pedro_> delicowa: yep indeed, well if you look to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090312
[11:13] <pedro_> there's a list of bugs, some of them have a green background, that means someone already triaged those
[11:14] <seb128> pedro_: btw sorry for the bugmail spam, I was on a bug cleaning rampage yesterday
[11:15] <pedro_> delicowa: so select an untriaged bug and follow the instructions on the page to triage it, as soon as you finish with it, mark it as close with the hug day tools or edit the wiki page by hand, we recommend the hug day tools it's easier to do the job with it
[11:15] <delicowa> thanks pedro
[11:15] <delicowa> triage? as in try to resolve it?
[11:15] <pedro_> seb128: no problem, btw were you having a email delay yesterday? i was having the emails from like 12UTC at 20 UTC or so
[11:16] <seb128> pedro_: I was having emails but with quite some lag too yes
[11:16] <seb128> pedro_: seems back to normal today
[11:17] <delicowa> thanks again pedro.......have to sign out now
[11:17] <pedro_> seb128: nice i was about to start blaming evolution :-P
[11:17] <seb128> pedro_: hey, people tend to always blame the poor mailer when it's due to servers
[11:20] <BUGabundo> any idea why instaling libc6-dbg remove libc6-dbgsym?
[11:21] <pedro_> seb128: yeah, that's so true
[11:22] <seb128> pedro_: you still didn't reply to my hello question btw ;-)
[11:22] <seb128> BUGabundo: because they ship the same files and can't be installed together
[11:22] <seb128> BUGabundo: it's true for all -dbg and -dbgsym binaries
[11:23] <seb128> BUGabundo: -dbgsym is an automatic way to create -dbg for everything
[11:23] <pedro_> seb128: well "hola" works :-P
[11:23] <seb128> pedro_: hola to you ;-)
[11:23] <BUGabundo> seb128: ahh
[11:35] <BUGabundo> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libtorrent-rasterbar2_0.14.2-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libtorrent-rasterbar.so.2.0.0', which is also in package libtorrent-rasterbar1
[11:35] <BUGabundo> known prob?
[11:43] <Hew> My USB media player is being mounted as read-only. Anyone know the package that would be responsible for this?
[11:45] <BUGabundo> Hew: usually that means that it was umounted dirty
[11:45] <BUGabundo> check the FS and remount
[11:45] <BUGabundo> should be of then
[11:47] <Hobbsee> [22:47] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: did you find a bug on it?
[11:48] <BUGabundo> I saw
[11:48] <Hobbsee> right
[11:48] <BUGabundo> or better, I replied on +1
[11:50] <BUGabundo> firefox 3.1 just froze... what's the best way to dump the reason for the crash?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: fixed.
[11:54] <BUGabundo> thanks
[11:55] <BUGabundo> is there a bug for it?
[11:55] <Hobbsee> nope
[11:55] <BUGabundo> so I know when it gets build?
[11:55] <BUGabundo> I'll keep trying then
[11:55] <Hobbsee> not even in debian, for some reason.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> it'll be in the archive in a couple of hours, max, i expect
[11:55] <Hobbsee> oh, hrm, it'll get dropped in a queue
[11:56] <BUGabundo> np
[11:56] <BUGabundo> thanks for the work
[11:56] <Hobbsee> np
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[12:33] <pedro_> ttx: salut, do you need any other logs on bug 330827 ?
[12:33] <pedro_> thanks ubottu
[12:34] <ttx> looking...
[12:34] <pedro_> thanks you
[12:37] <ttx> pedro_: looks like a completely borked install. Multiple crashes, Exec format error...
[12:37] <ttx> not sure he can give us anything more useful
[12:39] <pedro_> ttx: ok, thanks for looking
[12:40] <ttx> pedro_: his seahorse bug got invalidated as a "wrong local install", this one is probably related. I kept it open/private just in case someone else would submit the same type of crashes
[12:40] <pedro_> alright
[12:58] <jgoguen> Could someone on bug-control change the importance of bug 237341 to Low?
[13:02] <pedro_> jgoguen: looking
[13:03] <pedro_> jgoguen: done. btw please consider in joining the bug control team, you have been doing a great work
[13:03] <pedro_> jgoguen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl <- all the information is there
[13:15] <jgoguen> pedro_: you think I have enough to do that already?
[13:21] <pedro_> jgoguen: yeah, totally, you've been contributing a lot to hug days, triaging bugs, finding upstream ones and linking them to lp, etc.
[13:22] <pedro_> jgoguen: i'm sure you can be a good addition to the team
[13:23] <jgoguen> pedro_: thanks :) do you mind if I ping you later with a short list of bugs to make sure they're a good representation of what the team is looking for?
[13:25] <pedro_> jgoguen: no problem at all, just send me a query when you're done so we don't flood in the channel :-)
[13:26] <jgoguen> :)
[13:40] <Hew> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23779173/Stacktrace.txt from bug 295140. Is the bug in k3dsurf, or a package such as nvidia or mesa?
[13:58] <bddebian> Boo
[14:00] <BUGabundo> foo fam fee
[14:03] <bddebian> heh
[14:06] <pedro_> Today we are having the Samba Hug Day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090312 , we still have bugs waiting for being triaged, feel free to grab any of them
[14:12] <pedro_> ttx: may you give some feedback on bug 300221 ?
[14:12] <ttx> pedro_: looking...
[14:12] <pedro_> ttx: thanks you rock
[14:15] <ttx> pedro_: confirmed.
[14:34] <pedro_> ttx: great, thanks
[14:39] <bcurtiswx> hey all, i looked through the bugs/tags wiki, i couldn't find anything that would relate to a patch submitted that needs to be tested... is there such a thing.. and if not should I add it?
[14:39] <EtienneG> Haaaa Samba.  Can't live with it, can't live without it.  :D
[15:09] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: what do you see the workflow for that being?
[15:10] <BUGabundo> $ exaile /usr/share/exaile/xl/library.py:17: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead
[15:10] <BUGabundo>   import md5, os, random, re, threading, time, traceback, gc, sys
[15:10] <BUGabundo> do you guys think I should report this?
[15:14] <bcurtiswx> anyone respond to my tags question? i got disconnected
[15:14] <BUGabundo> (03:09:21 PM) bdmurray: bcurtiswx: what do you see the workflow for that being?
[15:15] <BUGabundo> gonna need some help finding exaile memory leak... anyone wants to help?
[15:16] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: test to reproduce bug, then if you can reproduce the bug, test the patch to see if its a good fix? (im not fully knowledgeable about workflows)
[15:17] <bcurtiswx> apologies for a flaky wireless connection on my end
[15:18] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: most likely every bug with a patch is untested (other than the uploader) right now, so we'd have to tag every bug patch-needs-testing (or what have you), so I think it'd make more sense to start using patch-been-tested (or what have you)
[15:21] <charlie-tca> There is a tag used in launchpad called "patch" with 113 bugs
[15:22] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: im sorry, but i guess I would think patch-needs-testing makes more sense for patches that aren't tested yet, then patch-been-tested (using your tags as an example)
[15:23] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: but maybe i just haven't caught onto the idea quite right
[15:23] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: right but every bug with a patch is probably in the needs-testing state
[15:24] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: so we'd just be tagging every bug with that
[15:24] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: instead lets tag the smaller subset, the tested ones, after they've been tested
[15:24] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: ah, so you're saying that theres such a large amount of bugs with patches, that its better to mark the tested ones?
[15:25] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: yes
[15:25] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: ok, is there a group that tracks bugs with patches attached that go around testing them?
[15:26] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: not that I know of, would you like to start one?
[15:27] <acidborg> hi
[15:27] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: hmm, i don't even know how to use a .patch file, and i wouldn't be able to tackle that many patches
[15:28] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: if a group that does that is beneficial enough, i can try to learn it and start a group
[15:28] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: with enough interest from others to help as well, of course
[15:29] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: I can help write the documentation and I've written up some the patch workflow at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Patches
[15:30] <bdmurray> Why don't I write up how to test them today and you can look that over / test it some?
[15:31] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: sure
[15:33] <pedro_> ttx: may you please have a look to the patch provided on bug 164544? the provider said it fixes the issue
[15:34] <pedro_> ubottu: you're being evil today
[15:34] <pedro_> let's try again, bug 164544
[15:35] <ttx> pedro_: looking...
[15:36] <bcurtiswx> ubottu has mood swings, may be that time of month?
[15:37] <acidborg> Is anyone working on bug 280814 ?
[15:38] <ttx> pedro_: I would set it back to Incomplete. The patch has been disputed on our bug, and the bug is incomplete on the related Samba bugtracker item...
[15:39] <pedro_> ttx: awesome, thanks
[15:39] <pedro_> acidborg: ttx might know ;-)
[15:39] <ttx> acidborg: not that I know of.
[15:40] <acidborg> ok, so I want to try (it's my first hug day)
[15:40]  * ttx cheers
[15:44] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: you can usually tell if someone has started triaging a bug by looking at the activity log, that link can be found on the top right of bug pages
[15:45] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: thanks
[15:46] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: the chances of someone else working on a bug at the same time as you is rare, and if it happens its not a big deal, just make sure you or the other person know whos taking care of the bug
[15:47] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: ok
[15:49] <bcurtiswx> brb, moving to another location
[15:56] <acidborg> I've marked bug 280814 as invalid. Can anyone check it, please?
[16:05] <benste> where can I contact MOTU mailing list withouht subsribing it?,
[16:05] <benste> just want to add https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiemu/+bug/341779 to the wishlist
[16:07] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: according to the bugs/patches link you sent me, i should see a star next to the patch instead of the green down arrow.. i installed greasemonkey and the lp_patches script (as well as all the others on that page), but i don't see the star? am i doing something wrong?
[16:07] <bdmurray> did you reload the page?
[16:08] <bcurtiswx> yeah even restarted firefox a couple times
[16:08] <bcurtiswx> hmm, maybe its cached in?
[16:08] <bdmurray> how did you install the greasemonkey script? at the code page?
[16:09] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i clicked the link and then greasemonkey asked me to install it and i clicked install
[16:09] <bcurtiswx> 3.0.7 firefox
[16:09] <jelmer> pedro_, hi
[16:10] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: there are 2 links when you browse the code one is wrong and one isn't
[16:10] <jelmer> pedro_, you just marked bug 302148 as confirmed
[16:10] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: you want the green download arrow on the far right
[16:10] <bdmurray> don't click on the file name as that's horked
[16:10] <bcurtiswx> ahh ok
[16:14] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: that was it, thx
[16:15] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: I wonder if sticking a file name in bzr that says that would help
[16:15] <bdmurray> so you see something like "click green arrow to install" when browsing the code
[16:17] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: yeah something like "click green down arrow", maybe put that in the README?
[16:18] <bdmurray> I was just going to name the file that so you could read it when going to the web page w/o opening the readme
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: even better
[16:23] <mathiaz> ttx: hi - how is the samba bug day going?
[16:23] <ttx> plenty of activity, looking at the resulting bugmail
[16:24] <ttx> I mostly did some support, I didn't really triage myself.
[16:24] <mathiaz> ttx: awesome! :)
[16:29] <acidborg> Can I mark bug 320212 as confirmed?
[16:31] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: can you reproduce the bug OR has someone commented that they are able to reproduce it?
[16:32] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: no. It has all the info required so, what state should I give it instead of new?
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: as long as all of the information is there (and i agree it all is), you would request a bug control member to set as triaged, and they will set importance
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: i can take care of that for you :-)
[16:40] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: thanks, I would appreciate that
[16:42] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: done
[16:42] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: thanks
[17:01] <pedro_> jelmer: yeah, a few mins ago, I'm reading your comments on it now
[17:05] <pedro_> jelmer: got it, your call then
[17:05] <pedro_> mathiaz: hey, have you looked at the graphs at the bottom of the page?
[17:05] <pedro_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/samba/plots/samba-1day-triaging.png
[17:06] <pedro_> ttx: do you know if there's an upstream report about bug 337037 ?
[17:06] <pedro_> ttx: i cannot find anything on the upstream BTS
[17:07] <ttx> pedro_: so far I only found the thread. We were waiting for some reproduction before escalating the issue to samba devs.
[17:08] <ttx> pedro_: finding someone with windows stuff / jaunty share to reproduce would be great
[17:09] <pedro_> ttx: alrighty, thanks
[17:19] <bcurtiswx> what package manages suspend and what program manages the keyboard shortcuts (i.e the suspend one)
[17:34] <ttx> ok guys, I'm calling it a day. mathiaz should be able to help you for the rest of the HugDay.
[18:04] <hggdh> mrooney, ping
[18:04] <mrooney> hggdh: hello!
[18:04] <hggdh> mrooney, I had a look at the eeebotu logs, and indeed we hit a problem yesterday (timeouts)
[18:04] <mrooney> hm interesting
[18:05] <hggdh> yay
[18:05] <mrooney> but it doesn't happen often, perhaps just a normal thing
[18:05] <mrooney> ?
[18:05] <hggdh> It was different -- a timeout on 127.0.0.1... I still have to get back there, and look at it, but I am quite busy this week
[18:06] <hggdh> tomrrow I might have some time
[18:08] <mrooney> bdmurray: do you know why the upstream project for firefox is Mozilla Core?
[18:08] <mrooney> that is where launchpad files the bug against if you click through its helpers, but I feel that doesn't really make sense
[18:13] <bdmurray> mrooney: jcastro know a fair bit more about upstream relations than me
[18:16] <mrooney> bdmurray: okay thanks, maybe he can chime in when he is around
[18:54] <pedro_> mathiaz: do you have any thoughts about bug 280712 ?
[18:54] <pedro_> bug 280712
[18:56] <mathiaz> pedro_: I'd move it to confirmed - the reporter is one of the Canonical support guy
[18:56] <mathiaz> pedro_: and ask if he can reproduce it on intrepid/jaunty
[18:57] <pedro_> mathiaz: oki doki, I'll do that, thanks yu
[18:57] <pedro_> s/yu/you
[19:07] <ivoks> oh... it's a bug squash day
[19:08] <mathiaz> ivoks: yop - did you notice anything unusual in your inbox?
[19:09] <ivoks> ?
[19:09] <mathiaz> ivoks: I meant bug mail
[19:10] <ivoks> mathiaz: nothing
[19:11] <mathiaz> ivoks: oh well - pedro_ is doing an amazing job at triaging samba bugs
[19:11] <ivoks> i see most of them are triaged
[19:29] <ivoks> would ucf give up on absence of user input?
[19:29] <ivoks> and leave package unconfigured
[19:30] <ivoks> or could update-manager do that?
[19:30] <ivoks> bug 298126
[19:32] <ivoks> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/107188/comments/14
[19:32] <ivoks> hm... yes...
[20:55] <ivoks> mathiaz: here?
[20:55] <mathiaz> ivoks: yes
[20:56] <ivoks> mathiaz: i think bug 337037 should be high
[20:57] <mathiaz> ivoks: may be. It's on the radar though.
[20:58] <mathiaz> ivoks: ttx has been looking into that. He was just blocked in reproducing it because he doesn't have access to an Office system.
[20:58] <ivoks> oh...
[22:37] <bitumen2003> ?Is there a hug today or was it yesterday date was for march 12th
[22:38] <bitumen2003> ohhh and hi everyone!
[22:48] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: I've written a rough draft for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/PatchTesting
[22:51] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: ok thanks.  Im going through dholbachs packaging tutorials packaging my first package from tar.gz
[22:57] <greg-g> bdmurray: that looks good, and useful to get people's feet wet with testing patches (the straight-forward, simple sounding nature of it is good)
[22:57] <bdmurray> greg-g: well, I gloss over how to get a vm working and how to build a package ;-)
[22:58] <greg-g> right, "simple sounding" ;)
[22:58] <bdmurray> greg-g: thanks though, I wanted it to be approachable
[22:58] <greg-g> I think you acheived that
[23:01] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: yeah it looks quite approachable
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> what package is debuild a part of?
[23:37] <bcurtiswx> found it, devscripts
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> hmm, my debuild failed.. and i can't say i know why