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mptMacSlow, did you happen to get a screenshot of the kerneloops fallback alert with your actions fix?07:28
pittiGood morning07:42
didrocksgood morning o/07:42
MacSlowmpt, already fixed upstrem07:44
MacSlowmpt, pitti got our notify-osd release for that yesterday07:44
MacSlowmpt, I still need to do the new/proper dialog for kerneloops-applet07:45
mptMacSlow, yes, I saw that you fixed the bug, thanks, I was just wanting to see what it looked like07:45
MacSlowmpt, there's time allocated for such work today07:45
mptok, I'll chat with you about it this afternoon07:45
MacSlowmpt, sure07:46
mvoasac: hm, I get the "zero signal strengh" icon now for unmanaged devices as well. is that known?08:05
mvoasac: IIRC it used to show something different for those (my network is fine, its just not managed by NM)08:06
pittimvo, asac: zero sig strength> I get the same, when I'm not connected to any wifi08:08
didrocksmvo: yep, cf -devel08:08
didrocks(the ML)08:08
mvopitti: I learned yesterday it is a design desicion to show that when no connection is there08:12
pittiokay08:12
mvoI'm just curious about the unmanaged devices case08:13
davmor2pitti: morning I've got a query about freesoftware only install jockey offered to install the nvidia binary should it?08:15
pittidavmor2: no, it's not supposed to08:15
pittidavmor2: could you please do "ubuntu-bug jockey-gtk" and then add your /etc/apt/sources.list?08:15
pittidavmor2: please use ubuntu-bug, that will collect log files, etc.08:16
davmor2I didn't think it had before which is why it through me.08:16
pittiif you don't have restricted in your apt sources, it shouldn't offer it indeed08:16
davmor2pitti: I need to re-do the Ubuntu tests due to re-spin so I'll check it out again then for you08:16
pittidavmor2: many thank!08:16
pittis08:16
didrocksmvo & pitti : the full thread about this change is there: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007345.html08:21
seb128didrocks: what change?08:23
didrocksseb128: the 0-strength wifi icon for disconnected network08:27
seb128ah, discussing that again08:27
seb128we discussed it yesterday afternoon on this channel already ;-)08:28
seb128hey didrocks mvo pitti btw ;-)08:29
* pitti hugs seb12808:29
didrocksseb128: mvo & pitti seemed to not be aware of that or is that my english is getting so bad? ;)08:29
* seb128 hugs pitti08:29
didrockshey seb128 btw ;)08:29
pittiseb128: with the freeze still being on, I declare today as an apport day08:30
pittididrocks: I just missed it, probably08:30
seb128that's basically the design team which decided that disconnected == no signal08:30
pittiwell, I hope I only get that icon if a wifi is available08:30
seb128which suboptimal if you ask me08:30
pittithen it makes sense08:30
pitti(to me, anyway)08:30
didrocksseb128: we agree so :)08:30
didrockspitti: no08:30
seb128but macOS does it apparently and that's a good justification for most changes ...08:30
pittibefore, I couldn't tell whether there's wifi available and I'm not connected, or whether there's no wifi at all08:31
pittibut *shrug*08:31
didrockspitti: from the ML discussion, it seems not. If you have no wifi card even, you have that icon :/08:31
pittitoo small a detail for me to argue about..08:31
seb128pitti: my first reaction was "urg, my AP is broken"08:31
pittididrocks: that sounds wrong08:31
didrocksseb128: so do I :/08:31
seb128pitti: ie, "I'm connected but get pretty bad signal but I'm sitting some meters away so it must be broken"08:31
pittididrocks: and no, MacOS does *not* show a wifi symbol if you don't have a wifi card08:31
pittiat least not the one from 2004, which I had on my old ibook08:32
pittiseb128: it could really be a different icon..08:32
seb128not only it could but it should ;-)08:32
seb128ok, so ffmpeg is crash land but not for me, shrug08:32
seb128can somebody try playing a video for me?08:33
pittiwhich one?08:33
seb128bug #33016508:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 330165 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg "video crashes due to vdpau decoders" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33016508:33
pittiwith my wife being in Italy, I watched a lot of videos this week :)08:33
seb128the description has instructions08:33
seb128pitti: the bug seems to be with flv and mp4 mostly08:34
pittiflv, that's youtube, isn't it?08:34
* pitti tries http://www.jhepple.com/SampleMovies/niceday.wmv08:35
pittiwhich was said to crash totem08:35
seb128pitti: yeah08:35
didrockspitti: we totally agree. It seems counter-intuitive. But they are experts and can't argue against that from my user/dev point of view :)08:35
didrockswe'll see user's reaction (and bad one), I'm afraid :/08:35
didrocksho, It wasn't intended to troll, just to point you to the discussion thread at the beginning :)08:35
pittiseb128: hm, it plays and doesn't crash, but it's more like a dia show08:36
seb128bug #341068 has an example too08:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 341068 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg "totem-gstreamer crashed with SIGSEGV - playing flv file with totem" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34106808:37
pittiseb128: erm, "slide show", I mean08:37
huatsmorning everyone08:37
seb128lut huats08:37
huatshello seb128 and pitti08:37
mvoseb128: I just got a 0-zero symbol for unmanaged devices as well, this is why I brought it up again. I was wondering if that was intentional as well08:37
tjaaltonhuats: how's the anjuta update doing?-)08:37
huatstjaalton: it is on his way08:38
huatsI was really busy lately08:38
tjaaltonok08:38
huatsbut I hope to finish it today08:38
tjaaltongreat08:38
huatstjaalton: I hope I'll be able to talk to the debian maintainer today... so that we can take some common decisions...08:38
didrockshello huats08:38
huatshello didrocks08:39
seb128pitti: that is driving me crazy, lot of users have crashes they can trigger easily on those files but I don't get the bugs on my installs08:39
pittihm, .flv works just fine here08:40
pittioh, hang on, that was in firefox08:40
* pitti searches for a youtube downloader08:40
seb128pitti: the flv is attached to the bug08:40
pittiseb128: I don't see it08:44
seb128pitti: what about http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/download/video/6205/talk/481?08:44
seb128pitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23766462/Romeo_-_Basement_Jaxx.flv on the bug08:44
pittiI installed youtube download plugin and got http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-B7_7LA02A08:44
pittiplays fine08:44
seb128comment #708:44
seb128ok, you don't get those issues either than08:44
seb128*shrug*08:44
pittiseb128: I don't think I'm looking at the same bug than you then; I'm on 33016508:45
seb128pitti: I was speaking about #34106808:45
seb128which is another example08:45
seb128but people who get the issue seem to get it on any of those example08:45
seb128could be specific to some hardware or something08:46
seb128well, upstream disabled the vdpau decoder in svn08:46
seb128let's see if that makes a difference for those who have the bug08:46
pittiseb128: romeo plays; do I need to watch the entire one?08:46
seb128pitti: no, it crash directly for them, thanks08:46
seb128you are in the same case that I am, works fine for you too08:47
davmor2pitti: is this in totem08:47
pittidavmor2: yes, standard totem-gstreamer08:47
pittiseb128: the TED talk works fine as well08:47
seb128https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg/+bug/332860 has mp4 and flv examples08:47
ubottuUbuntu bug 332860 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in memset(), when clicking proprieties menu" [Medium,New]08:47
seb128which work fine for me too08:47
pittiseb128: perhaps we have a different set of codecs installed than them?08:47
pittiseb128: the codec packages overlap08:48
seb128pitti: I went though 60 bugs or something and none of the example are crashing for me *shrug*08:48
pittiseb128: comparing dpkg -l '*gstreamer*'08:48
pittimight reveal something?08:48
seb128pitti: I did try to uninstall the universe code totem reinstall those with the codec install thing08:48
seb128and still no bug08:48
davmor2pitti: the video for me would crash just after it had finished.  Type in canon and select the guitar one at the top let it run all the way through and see if it crashes :)08:48
seb128and got dpkg -l lists form users08:48
pittihttp://pastebin.com/f4de99573 <- mine08:48
seb128from08:48
seb128pitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23755515/dpkg_l_gst.txt08:51
seb128pitti: from bug #33016508:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 330165 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg "video crashes due to vdpau decoders" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33016508:51
seb128pitti: not much difference08:51
seb128pitti: thanks for trying, don't bother too much I spent yesterday triaging those bugs, there is quite some responsive users I will try to get some to open upstream bugs08:54
seb128pitti: apport bug days -> good08:54
pittiseb128: well, not apport bugs08:54
seb128pitti: please fix the autoduplication to handle master being a duplicate again08:54
pittiseb128: (1) write launchpad crashdb test suite08:54
seb128pitti: that's driving me crazy too08:54
pitti(2) fix that double-duplicate bug08:54
pitti(3) if there's still time, merge/test the launchpadlib branch08:55
pittibut this thing really needs a test suite08:55
pittiLP behaviour is changing too often08:55
seb128well, once you use launchpadlib things should be stable no?08:55
pittiright08:56
pittibut you never know..08:56
pittiit's also better for reproducing errors and making sure that bug fixes don't regress other things08:56
pittiI'm sure that the dup-of-a-dup thing worked some day08:56
seb128it worked until recently08:57
pittiand I still need to fix the dup db consolidation08:57
seb128we rely on that a lot, I closed at least 15 duplicates myself yesterday due to it not working08:57
seb128all the notify-osd duplicates are let open for example08:57
seb128I just closed yet an another one08:57
crevettegood morning08:59
seb128lut crevette08:59
pittiseb128: btw, you can use dupdb-admin changeid <oldmasterbug> <newmasterbug>09:04
pittiseb128: this will change the master bug number09:05
seb128pitti: ah, good to know, thanks09:05
pittiseb128: there's also "dump"09:05
seb128what was the same again of that tools which allowed to search through launchpad bugs using the command line?09:08
pittisomething from bughelper?09:09
pittisorry, I never really used that09:09
seb128bughelper thanks09:09
pittiah :)09:09
seb128launchpad search sucks so much09:09
seb128that's a shame09:09
* pitti uses site:bugs.launchpad.net with google09:09
asacmvo: pitti: fact is that human theme now has 00_signal for nm-no-connection. thats basically it. so everywhere where we had "nm-no-connection" before in NM we see zero signal strength now.09:12
pittiasac: that sounds wrong..09:13
asacpitti: dont tell me09:13
asactell dxteam09:13
asacor even dux09:13
pittimpt: using an empty wifi signal to tell people that they don't have a connection sounds just plain wrong to me09:13
asacpitti: look at the thread in devel-discuss09:13
pittiasac: yeah, I should do that09:13
asacpitti: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007345.html09:14
asachttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007352.html09:15
asachttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007356.html09:15
asachttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007359.html09:15
asaclast one was my suggestion.09:16
mptpitti, I agree09:16
pittimpt: I do think it makes sense to tell apart the "wifi available, but none connected", and "no network connetion at all available" cases09:17
mptyep09:18
pittinice09:18
asacalso ... even if you only have wifi, no signal means for me: "out of range" rather than "APs available, you can click here to connect"09:18
pittiso if you agree as well, why did we do that change then?09:18
asacmat says its logical09:18
pittiyes, if I don't have a wifi card, it's absolutely logical to display a signal strength09:19
davmor2pitti: I just tried it and it works again Yay :)09:19
pittidavmor2: jockey or video playback?09:19
davmor2totem playing canon that is :)09:19
asacpitti: marks point is that nowadays wired doesnt matter09:19
pittihuh?09:20
asaceverybody goes for wifi or broadband09:20
pittiok, let me rip out my ethernet cable and disconnect then09:20
mptpitti, I don't know09:20
asac:)09:20
seb128I'm using wired connection too right now, should I stop by design team decision? ;-)09:21
pittiok, sarcasm aside, it actually works as it should with wired09:22
pittiI have the two computers, and no signal strength indicator09:22
seb128right09:23
seb128the "weird" case is non connected wireless09:23
pittimt isn't online right now, but once he does, we should negotiate a compromise with him09:23
seb128which makes you think you are connected but your accesspoint is broken09:23
pittiseb128: well, I could even live with that *if* there is wifi available at all09:23
didrocksseb128: +109:23
seb128I find it *very* confusing09:23
pittibut if you don't even *have* a wifi/3g adapter, it's just plain wrong09:23
seb128I checked my router first thing09:23
asacpitti: only compromise is a red cross09:24
asacpitti: every other compromise requires code09:24
seb128"why should I be connected and get no signal"09:24
pittiasac: red cross?09:24
seb128pitti: they sort of agreed that add a red cross over the 0 signal icon would be ok09:24
asacpitti: yeah. at least there should be a red-cross over the no-signal icon to show that you are disconnected09:24
pitti(wasn't that meant to make the icon to be recognized _easier_?)09:24
pittiasac: ah09:24
asacpitti: i mean even if i have wireless, its completely confusing to see empty signal for me09:24
seb128add -> adding09:24
pittiasac: +109:25
asacas i said in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007359.html ... imo we should go back and do our homework and come up with something more innnovative. if we find something more innovative we should skip this step09:26
mvofor the record: I find it confusing as well and think people will assume our n-m is broken if it shows a signal strengh icon on non-wifi hardware09:26
asaceven if that means we dont change anything this cycle09:27
seb128mvo: if they think nm is broken that's not too bad ;-)09:34
seb128mvo: I though my accesspoint was broken ;-)09:35
mptpitti, seb128, asac, we've just discussed this in the sprint and I've followed up on ubuntu-devel-discuss@10:00
pittimpt: thanks!10:01
mpt(short version: we'll have another go at designing the wireless-off icon)10:01
seb128mpt: thanks!10:01
asacmpt: great.10:10
mvothanks mpt10:14
seb128pitti: ok, those ffmpeg crash are there only when using libavcodec52-unstripped10:17
pittiaah10:17
seb128ie the multiverse build10:17
seb128thanks to siretart who give me the hint to try that10:18
asacmvo: you said once that i can cleanup my apt packages db (so it gets faster again) ... any hints?10:36
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mvoasac: system-cleaner can do that now for you, sudo dpkg --forget-old-unavail and then sudo dpkg --clear-avail10:41
seb128mvo:  system-cleaner is not deprecated?10:45
seb128mvo: it got cleaned on my boxes10:45
didrocksmpt: thanks for the change proposal on the icon :)10:45
mptdidrocks, thank kwwii and mat_t for getting it sorted out under pressure :-)10:47
asacmvo: trying10:52
davmor2guys not sure if this is a bug or what but I just noticed that on my laptop on login I get no notify-osd for the wifi connection.  However if I click on it again to make it reconnect I do.  Is this a bug is it just that notify-osd has kicked in at that point?10:53
mvoseb128: oh? interessting - by autoclean ?10:54
seb128mvo: rather by the dist-upgrader in update-manager I think10:55
seb128mvo: and by system-cleaner itself on an another box I think which is ironic ;-)10:55
mvohaha10:57
mvoindeed :)10:57
seb128mvo: wasn't that supposed to be available in update manager or something?10:58
seb128I didn't follow the details10:58
mvoyes, but it was decided to keep it as a seperate one too11:01
asachmm after reboot my nfs authentication fails e.g. no mount11:06
seb128mvo: how do you access to the update-manager copy?11:11
mvoseb128: for computer-janitor? the core is now merged into u-m11:12
seb128mvo: right, how do you get that to trigger?11:12
seb128mvo: ie I had 15 linux versions installed recently11:12
seb128mvo: and I didn't find what to do to clean those11:12
seb128that's why I ran the deprecated system-cleaner11:12
seb128which cleaned itself while cleaning those ;-)11:12
mvothe update-manager one is only run after a release upgrade, there is no other way to trigger it11:13
seb128hum ok11:13
mvoit depends on some infomration that is gathered during the upgrade (like what is obsolete before and after sources.list rewrite)11:13
mvothis is why the system-cleaner is still there :)11:13
davmor2pitti: bug 341647 I just check the source.list and restricted doesn't seem to be there.  Do you want me to try and install the nvidia driver (which I haven't yet)?11:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 341647 in jockey "Jaunty: Freesoftware Only. Jockey is offering Nvidia binary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34164711:46
pittidavmor2: is it offering it?11:48
pittidavmor2: no need to try11:48
pittidavmor2: just start jockey, check if it's there11:48
pittidavmor2: and if so, close it, and send "ubuntu-bug jockey-gtk"11:48
pittidavmor2: "no need to try" -> "no need to install"11:49
davmor2pitti: yes it's offered.  Jockey auto starts and says there are drivers available11:49
pittidavmor2: you found a bug then11:49
davmor2the bug above was created with ubuntu-bug11:49
pittidavmor2: cool, thanks!11:51
pittidavmor2: hm, are you still in that system?11:54
pittidavmor2: would you mind trying to install it?11:54
pittidavmor2: I can't reproduce bug 33556711:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 335567 in jockey "jockey-backend crashed with IOError: [Errno 19] No such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33556711:55
pittiI don't have an nvidia card11:55
pittiI tried to "fake" it, but it doesn't crash11:55
asacpitti: are you in the release team?11:57
asacpitti: i guess so. are the CDs done? i would like to upload the icon fix for the signal thing ... bug 34163811:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 341638 in human-theme "new no-connection icon confusing (using zero signal wireless icon)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34163811:58
pittiasac: no, we are still in freeze11:58
asacpitti: e.g. kwwii provided the update11:58
pittislangasek will announce the un-freeze11:58
asacpitti: yeah. but couldnt we upload and so in case new CDs need to be made it would just pick this change as a ride along?11:58
asacok11:58
pittino, sorry11:58
asaci will wait then11:58
davmor2pitti: no probs12:06
davmor2pitti: I had it still earlier on desktop install but on this one it's not downloading it.  Give me half an hour I need to test manual install12:08
pittidavmor2: maybe because it didn't run apt-get update once?12:09
davmor2pitti: by the way on that one it does install the driver it just doesn't tell you it has :)12:09
pittidavmor2: btw, offering you the driver if apt-get update didn't fire before is the very same bug12:09
davmor2pitti: so should jockey not trigger an update before it starts trying to download?12:15
pittidavmor2: I'd rather not have that12:15
pittidavmor2: instead I want jockey to only fire after there are packages available12:15
pittiwhich will help for both situations12:16
pitti(apt-get update not done, and restricted not available)12:16
davmor2pitti: makes sense12:16
davmor2pitti: Right up and running about to test now12:54
davmor2and crash12:56
davmor2pitti: it hits 100% on the download and install then the bar swings left and right and it's at that point that the crash icon appears12:59
davmor2pitti: Anything else before I move on?13:05
pittidavmor2: which crash do you get, the IOError 19?13:05
davmor2pitti: Just double checking13:06
davmor2pitti: Yes13:06
pittiah!13:06
pittidavmor2: if you try to disable the driver and enable it again. does it happen again?13:07
pittidavmor2: I'm looking for someone who can reproduce that without much effort13:07
pittidavmor2: the log isn't sufficient, I need an strace of the backend13:07
pittiand I just can't reproduce it without a real nvidia card, it seems :(13:07
davmor2pitti:  Uninstalling now13:07
davmor2re-installing13:08
davmor2pitti: No crash the second time13:08
pittihum13:10
pittidavmor2: could you try this:13:10
pitti- close jockey13:10
pitti- sudo killall jockey-backend13:10
pitti- enable driver in jockey13:10
pittioh, please uninstall the driver before13:10
pittidavmor2: do you have a little time for debugging this?13:10
pittidavmor2: hang on, let me reprase13:11
pitti- uninstall driver13:11
pitti- close jocokey13:11
pitti- sudo killall jockey-backend13:11
pitti- start jockey13:11
pitti- sudo strace -f -o /tmp/jockey.trace -p `pidof jockey-backend`13:11
pitti- enable driver13:12
davmor2pitti: Let me get my isotesting done for now.  I'll get back to you.  Also I'll partimage the drive after a fresh install then if all else fails I can always drop it back on :)13:12
pittiif it crashes, please attach /tmp/jockey.trace to bug 33556713:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 335567 in jockey "jockey-backend crashed with IOError: [Errno 19] No such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33556713:12
pittidavmor2: ah, right13:12
pittidavmor2: I'll attach those instructions to the bug13:12
davmor2thanks :)13:12
pittidavmor2: If you're going to do another install anyway, maybe you can attach strace to jockey-backend the next time right away after a fresh install?13:12
pittidavmor2: thanks, dude, you rock13:13
davmor2no probs13:13
kenvandine_wkmorning rickspencer313:13
kenvandine_wkmvo: did you see my comments on that bug about the indicator script?13:16
kenvandine_wkmvo: i tried every scenario i could think of... one time it randomly ended up to the right of the help icon instead of to the left of the notification area13:17
pittidavmor2: pidof jockey-backend doesn't work; I added the steps to bug 33556713:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 335567 in jockey "jockey-backend crashed with IOError: [Errno 19] No such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33556713:18
pittihey kenvandine_wk13:18
mvokenvandine_wk: I read it. do oyu have the gconf dumb of this time? I'm currently disussing it with ted and seb how to bring it to the users13:19
mvokenvandine_wk: the idea of ted was to run it automatically once on login on the grouds that it just adds something13:20
kenvandine_wkmvo: i agree with ted13:20
mvoI'm not sure about that, or if we should rather have a notice and let the user decide (but the user can alays remove it)13:20
kenvandine_wkmvo: i should have been dumping gconf :/13:20
kenvandine_wkmvo: i can do it a bunch more times13:20
kenvandine_wkmight happen again13:20
kenvandine_wkhey pitti13:21
mvokenvandine_wk: thanks, we can watch bugreport I guess13:21
kenvandine_wkok13:21
kenvandine_wki'll do it13:21
kenvandine_wkmvo: just dump /apps/panel ?13:23
mvokenvandine_wk: yeah, that should be good13:24
mvokenvandine_wk: see /msg :)13:25
kenvandine_wkmvo: i  just attached a gconf dump where it was placed to the left of the menu13:34
mvothanks13:34
* mvo checks13:34
mvoa screenshot too please ? I have a bad imagination13:34
kenvandine_wkmvo: it succeeded 7 times before that happened13:34
kenvandine_wksure13:34
kenvandine_wkmvo: attached13:35
mvoalways with the same panel layout?13:37
kenvandine_wkyeah13:37
mvowhen you run "killall gnome-panel" on the broken one13:37
mvois it still broken after the restart?13:37
* kenvandine_wk tries13:37
kenvandine_wkyeah13:37
rickspencer3pitti: ArneGoetje: asac: bryce_: calc: seb128: kenvandine_wk: it looks like the sponsoring deadline for Karmic UDS is in two days13:37
rickspencer3!13:38
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: that is for sponsoring community folks, right?13:38
seb128rickspencer3: what? did we get any email about inviting people yet?13:38
kenvandine_wkis there anything i should do there?13:38
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: yes13:38
* kenvandine_wk didn't know :)13:38
mvoseb128: it was probably on a blog somewhere :P13:38
asacrickspencer3: err. you mean for upstream folks?13:39
rickspencer3seb128: kenvandine_wk: I think it was blogged and such .13:39
* kenvandine_wk blames jono13:39
rickspencer3asac: yes ... anyone we want to sponsor13:39
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: so do we just suggest one person?13:39
seb128the community team people live in an another world13:39
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: unfortunately, I am not familiar with this part of the process, so I will have to rely on you guys13:40
asacrickspencer3: thought the ubuntu deadline was like last week13:40
seb128first don't expect we read all the blog posts, etc13:40
kenvandine_wkhehe...13:40
seb128and usually we have 2 sorts of people13:40
seb128- community people can apply13:40
rickspencer3I just got a mail that the "deadline is looming" and it's the 14th13:40
seb128- and we can make list of people we want to invite13:40
seb128I was waiting for an email about the second category13:40
rickspencer3here's the link:13:40
rickspencer3https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/UDS/Karmic/Sponsorship13:40
rickspencer3(sorry folks, it's internal canonical ;) )13:41
seb128jcastro: dude, do you know about that?13:41
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: no page there13:41
seb128I already had complain about uds organization previous cycle13:41
rickspencer3hmmm13:41
seb128they are trying hard to make sure we don't invite upstream people or what ;-)13:42
kenvandine_wkseb128: jcastro isn't on IM... so i guess not around13:42
rickspencer3let's not start throwing our friends under buses!13:42
seb128kenvandine_wk: right, he will read that when he's around13:42
rickspencer3we still have a couple of days :)13:42
seb128rickspencer3: right, we just had the same issue previous cycle so that would be nice if they could consider starting using proper media to reach people who don't read blogs every day13:42
kenvandine_wkshould it be upstream folks and community developers?13:43
asacrickspencer3: i dont like how this was announced this time. last time there was at least a mail i think13:47
asacrickspencer3: yesterday night i wondered about exactly this ;)13:47
davmor2pitti: Right I'm going to try this strace for you now :)13:50
davmor2aborted core-dumped at 60% hmmm13:58
rickspencer3asac: seb128: ok, it looks like I got a mail about UDS sponsorship last week, and didn't pass it on :(13:59
rickspencer3my bad13:59
seb128rickspencer3: ok, no problem, we still have time to make the list so it's all good ;-)14:00
asacrickspencer3: can you forward the mail so we know how the nomination works? e.g. where to send the email and so on?14:03
rickspencer3asac: all the mail says is that the deadline is 14th, and to go to that page14:03
rickspencer3(which isn't there apparantly)14:03
asachehe14:03
rickspencer3I'll ask Jono to come and help14:03
asacok14:03
rickspencer3he's not up yet though14:04
rickspencer3(but we have a meeting in an hour, so I'll talk to him soon)14:04
davmor2pitti: the strace just keeps going14:05
seb128rickspencer3: https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/UDS/Karmic/Sponsorships14:06
seb128rickspencer3: you dropped a char when copying or he did in the email14:07
rickspencer3seb128: tx14:07
rickspencer3seb128: btw, I'm cranking tunes on Jamendo right now14:08
rickspencer3:)14:08
seb128cool ;-)14:08
pittidavmor2: yeah, I expect the file will grow pretty large14:08
davmor2pitti: 84.6 meg14:08
pittidavmor2: wow14:09
pittidavmor2: I guess cutting off the last 500 KB should be enough14:09
pittidavmor2: maybe pastebin the tail of it once it crashed14:09
rickspencer3seb128: perhaps "access to 118,131" totally free songs should be communicated as a benefit of Ubuntu ")14:09
davmor2I thought it was taking a while to upload to lp14:09
seb128rickspencer3: right and we could calculate how many years of free music listening that is ;-)14:12
davmor2pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130173/  let me know if you need more than that14:17
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: jamendo is pretty nice... i just need a banshee plugin for it :)14:24
* rickspencer3 whacks kenvandine_wk14:25
davmor2kenvandine_wk: I think that magnatune is better14:26
kenvandine_wklast i tried i couldn't get that to work14:27
davmor2kenvandine_wk: Works fine in Rhythmbox must be a banshee flaw14:29
kenvandinedavmor2: i was trying in rhythmbox :)14:29
kenvandinei don't think there is a banshee plugin for that either14:29
davmor2kenvandine yes there is they are in by default14:30
davmor2iirc14:30
seb128mvo: is the codec install thing supposed to activate universe by default if the users want? ie ask if it should be used?14:31
mvoseb128: no, it does not support that anymore14:31
seb128mvo: :-(((14:31
seb128mvo: it's useless basically now then14:31
seb128mvo: any reason?14:32
seb128things we can install we do install14:32
seb128things we can't install ie mp3 or mpeg decodes will not be handled14:32
kenvandinedavmor2: not that i can see14:32
seb128decoders14:32
davmor2kenvandine hang on installing now14:33
mvoseb128: we enale universe and multiverse by default, so by default it work just fine (or am I missing something)14:37
mvoseb128: that was discussed during the uds session, people said its not important because we enable universe and multiverse by default14:38
seb128mvo: I'm trying an alpha6 image and only main and restricted are enabled14:38
mvoon the live cd?14:38
seb128mvo: well not on the CD apparently14:38
mvothat is a known bug14:38
seb128mvo: ok, good14:38
mvo(or feature, not sure)14:38
seb128I'm just doing alpha6 testing14:38
seb128and I wanted to try playing some videos14:39
seb128but I go no universe and totem complain about having no codec to install14:39
seb128go -> got14:39
seb128mvo: thanks, so it's a CD corner case ;-)14:39
davmor2kenvandine: oh well you'll just have to try the rhythmbox version sorry they dropped it :)14:42
seb128mvo: ok, that works fine once universe enabled14:42
mvothanks seb12814:42
seb128mvo: thanks to you and sorry about the false alarm there, I didn't realize the CD sources were differents than the install ones14:43
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: I just assigned you bug 13167914:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 131679 in gnome-screensaver "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV when attempting to unlock screen" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13167914:43
kenvandine_wkok14:43
rickspencer3but it's in compiz, so perhaps mvo can help figure out what to do with it if needed?14:44
kenvandine_wksure... i will ping him if i need to14:45
* kenvandine_wk wished he could get compiz to work in virtualbox :)14:45
kenvandine_wkeasier than crashing your desktop14:45
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: does kvm not work on your laptop?14:46
kenvandine_wkit does14:46
kenvandine_wkbut  you can't do compiz there either14:47
kenvandine_wki am trying out virtualbox...14:47
kenvandine_wkbut have been using kvm for ages now14:47
rickspencer3for some reason I thought kvm could access your video hardware14:47
rickspencer3guess not14:47
kenvandine_wkno14:47
kenvandine_wkwell14:47
kenvandine_wki think they are workign on that14:47
rickspencer3did you get virtual box extensions working in Jaunty?14:48
kenvandine_wkno14:49
kenvandine_wkit wants to downgrade xorg14:50
kenvandine_wkso i guess that stuff needs to be rebuilt14:50
kenvandine_wkrickspencer3: weird thing is it will only do 800x600 with a jaunty guest14:50
kenvandine_wkbut i can do any resolution i want with a foresight guest14:50
kenvandine_wkwhich is very strange14:50
kenvandine_wkif i specify i higher mode it just blows up14:51
* kenvandine_wk will live with 800x600 and try to work on that tonight :)14:51
rickspencer3kenvandine_wk: if you get it to work for alpha-6, that would make a great blog post14:51
mvorickspencer3, kenvandine_wkon the phone right now, but happy to talk about it afterwards14:51
mvo(the compiz bug)14:51
* kenvandine_wk tries to rebuild the guest extenstions for virtualbox for fun14:55
davmor2pitti: Was that strace info enough?  If you want I can drop the whole file on my server for you.  Need to keep testing though.15:00
pittidavmor2: looking15:01
pittidavmor2: I don't see it on the bug report?15:02
pittidavmor2: oh, missed your ping, sorry15:02
pittidavmor2: hm, no EIO there, though15:02
pittidavmor2: did that actually crash with the IOError again?15:02
davmor2pitti: No it crashed at 60% the install didn't finish and the core got dumped15:03
pittibah, why is that so unstable..15:03
pittidavmor2: that's a different bug then, though15:04
davmor2pitti: Tell you what leave it till Monday and I'll play kill jockey all day long :)15:05
pittihehe15:05
pittidavmor2: thanks a lot so far; maybe the strace catches the IOError for someone15:05
pittidavmor2: that bug is nasty, since it doesn't have any stack trace at all15:06
pittiwhich is very unusual for python15:06
pittibut due to that I don't have the slightest idea why and where it happens15:06
davmor2pitti: do you want me to dump the file on my server15:06
pittidavmor2: not necessary15:06
davmor2okay cool :)15:07
pittidavmor2: the other crashes all have a proper stack trace, I'm just chasing this bloody IOError 1915:07
* pitti hugs davmor215:07
mvokenvandine: re 131679 - the value in the backtrace is impossble to get from normal execution, so maybe some sort of memory corruption.15:08
kenvandinemvo: which means i shouldn't be able to repro it :)15:09
mvokenvandine: if you can/could that would be great, I suspect this is actually not a screensaver bug itself but a issue from either resume (when a screensaver is also used)15:10
mvokenvandine: the amount of duplicates in the stacktrace may very well mean it some sort of generic corruption and the backtrace is a red-herring15:10
mvokenvandine: I was talking about it with upstream some time ago and other than "corruption" not a lot came out of it :/15:11
* kenvandine resumes15:13
kenvandineno crash here.. i don't have a hardy box to test on15:13
kenvandineand i have the same video card has one of the reports15:15
kenvandineG96515:16
* kenvandine comments on the bug15:16
davmor2pitti: I got a crash file in /log/crash  I didn't think to look in there doing the strace is it worth putting that some where for you?15:16
pittidavmor2: can you please look at its Traceback?15:17
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davmor2pitti: I've run apport-cli -c against the crash it's just gibberish to me I'll open it as a new bug give you the number and you can always dupe it if necessary15:31
pittidavmor2: right, thanks15:31
davmor2pitti: bug 34177715:32
ubottuBug 341777 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/341777 is private15:32
davmor2I'm just knocking off the private15:32
davmor2pitti: does that help at all?15:34
pittidavmor2: ugh, indeed, it's just gibberish15:35
pittidavmor2: maybe it's interfering with strace15:35
pittidavmor2: anyway, I'll have another look later15:35
davmor2noprobs I'm going to move on anyway15:35
davmor2I can always crash it again latter :)15:36
* kenvandine_wk -> lunch15:53
mvoseb128: do you ahve any clever ideas about where to run add-indicator-applet.py ?17:04
mvo(other than the one I outlined in the mail)17:05
seb128mvo: I'm on a phone call right now, will reply later17:05
mvoseb128: ok, no problem17:05
seb128mvo: where did you run the previous code to add fusa on upgrade?17:32
seb128mvo: can you get update-manager to do it?17:43
maxbseb128: It's in gnome-panel17:55
seb128maxb: right, it uses update-notifier17:59
salty-horsehi. chrisccoulson, here?18:15
chrisccoulsonhi18:15
salty-horseI fixed a pretty annoying regression in metacity that appears in jaunty. I think the new version should get into jaunty: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/33262418:16
ubottuUbuntu bug 332624 in metacity "Inconsistencies when windows change their icon" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:16
salty-horseit affects windows not resizing when panels are added/removed, window icons not changing when an app changes them, and more18:16
salty-horsesee http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572573 and its dupes for details18:16
ubottuGnome bug 572573 in general "autohidden panel doesn't adjust struts anymore" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]18:16
chrisccoulsonwill that patch end up in 2.26?18:17
salty-horseit's in the newest 2.27.0 -- http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/metacity/trunk/ChangeLog?revision=4198&view=markup18:17
chrisccoulson2.27 is an unstable release though is it not?18:19
salty-horseperhaps. I don't know anything about the gnome release process. whatever the case, I think it's important to get that specific fix in18:21
chrisccoulsoni think metacity follows the rest of the gnome release numbering. if that is the case, then 2.27 will be part of the next gnome development cycle18:21
chrisccoulsonif the patch applies to the current series (which will become 2.26 i think), then that's great18:22
salty-horseI'm pretty sure it should apply. the bug is quite new.. what can I do to help?18:23
chrisccoulsonattaching the patch to the bug report would be quite useful i think, and making sure it applies to the current 2.25.144 release18:24
salty-horseI'll make sure it applies to the current jaunty package18:24
chrisccoulsonthanks18:25
salty-horsechrisccoulson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/332624/comments/518:30
ubottuUbuntu bug 332624 in metacity "Inconsistencies when windows change their icon" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:30
chrisccoulsonthanks18:30
=== rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk
dobeywhat's a udeb package?19:44
dobeyie, ubuntu-keyring-udeb?19:44
maxbAn udeb is a package specifically for use by the debian-installer pre-installation environment19:50
dobeyah ok19:53
crevettepitti: hey20:34
crevetteI forgot to say you I uploaded a bluez-gnome package with vuntz patch.20:34
crevettepitti: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bmillemathias/+archive/ppa20:35
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure how to get it to preserve the build environment though. that would be useful20:43
kenvandine_wki have the log... but it isn't very useful20:43
davmor2bryce_: I've updated the bug with the improvements it bring and where I put it in the list :)20:44
didrocksseb128: the sport was good? ;)20:45
kenvandine_wkseb128!20:45
bryce_davmor2: great20:45
kenvandine_wkseb128: is there a way to keep pbuilder from cleaning up the chroot after a failure?20:45
seb128didrocks: I'm a bit tired today but otherwise yes20:45
seb128kenvandine_wk: man pbuilder? ;-)20:46
seb128kenvandine_wk: I usually use pbuilder login and work in the pbuilder then but there might be better ways20:46
kenvandine_wki did... ok... so that is what login is for20:46
didrocksseb128: slomo didn't take 2 new .so files in the last gstreamer debian version, do you think there is this is intended?20:47
didrockskenvandine_wk: login --save-after-login20:47
seb128didrocks: dunno ask him when he's around20:47
kenvandine_wkdidrocks: thx!20:47
asomethingkenvandine_wk: there's a pbuilder hook here: bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks that will drop you to a shell on failure20:48
didrocksseb128: ok, and the multiverse version of the package seems to use different source code, do you confirm?20:48
seb128didrocks: I've no clue about that but I would guess no20:48
seb128didrocks: just different build-depends20:48
didrocksseb128: some changes in debian/rules apparently in configure phase. I think I have to update this one too, consequently…20:49
kenvandine_wkasomething: that is useful!20:49
seb128didrocks: yeah, just use the same tarball and copy the debian directory over20:49
didrocksseb128: I will see first with slomo for this 2 new .so files. Maybe they are non-free and I have to put them in multiverse20:50
asomethingkenvandine_wk: there are a couple other useful hooks in that branch as well20:50
didrocks(no updated upstream NEWS file, unfortunately :/)20:50
didrocksseb128: I will not available until Monday (I don't keep my gpg key on my server, surprinsingly ;)). So, I will update this version which is mostly synced on debian (with just the patch), and ask to slomo tomorrow20:54
seb128re21:03
seb128didrocks: sorry I was having dinner21:03
didrocksseb128: no problem :)21:03
seb128didrocks: ELACKVERB?21:03
didrocks(you ate quickly)21:03
seb128not *be* available?21:03
didrocksseb128: exactly, I ate words sometimes ;)21:03
seb128didrocks: yeah, after sport I have an light dinner usually21:03
didrocksseb128: it's better ^^21:04
seb128didrocks: anyway no hurry, yes just upload what slomo did for debian and you can figure other changes next week21:04
didrocksseb128: I am just checking that everything is still ok with the multiverse package21:05
chrisccoulsonseb128, i'm just looking at some of the milestoned desktop bugs, in particular, this one: bug 33723521:23
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/337235/+text)21:23
seb128bug #33723521:23
chrisccoulsoni've seen this before but with a different package21:23
chrisccoulsonhmmm21:24
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/337235/+text)21:24
chrisccoulsonhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/33723521:24
ubottuUbuntu bug 337235 in gnome-media "volume-control help-page not found" [Low,Confirmed]21:24
chrisccoulsonah21:24
seb128chrisccoulson: well, I had a quick look some days ago the .omf is there so it should be indexed21:24
seb128dunno why it's not21:24
chrisccoulsonit calls "xdg-open ghelp:gnome-volume-control", but somewhere along the way, the URI gets mangled and becomes "ghelp:///gnome-volume-control"21:24
chrisccoulsonif you run "yelp ghelp:gnome-volume-control", then it works fine21:25
seb128indeed21:25
chrisccoulsonbut call it with gnome-open, and it fails this way21:25
seb128another glib issue?21:25
chrisccoulsonthats what i was thinking21:25
seb128there is another weird bug21:26
chrisccoulsonit can be worked around, by using gtk_show_uri()21:26
seb128clicking on the website url in the help dialog of several GNOME program open a browser twice21:26
seb128do it ;-)21:26
seb128would still be nice to fix the issue though21:26
seb128but gtk_show_uri() seems a correct change anyway21:26
chrisccoulsoni'm trying to find a help page with a url on ;)21:28
seb128gedit21:29
chrisccoulsonah, from the "About" dialog is it?21:29
seb128yes21:29
chrisccoulsoni get that too21:29
seb128gtk-demo doesn't has the issue21:29
chrisccoulsonthats strange21:29
seb128so I'm not sure that's a gtk bug21:29
chrisccoulsonquite possibly21:29
seb128that's weird21:31
seb128they just use gtk_show_about_dialog()21:31
seb128gtk-demo and gedit21:31
seb128I don't get why they behave differently21:31
chrisccoulsonyeah, that doesn't make much sense21:32
chrisccoulsoni'll report a bug upstream against glib about the URI mangling21:34
seb128thanks21:36
seb128there was an another bug about uri mangling no?21:36
seb128or that was desktop handling?21:36
chrisccoulsonthere was the one where http:/// uri's were being opened as local files21:37
chrisccoulsonthat one is fixed now21:37
seb128I was thinking about bug #33571221:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 335712 in gnome-desktop "strange escape handling in Exec line of .desktop files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33571221:37
chrisccoulsoni haven't tried to recreate that yet21:38
didrockshum, time to go to bed, have a good night :)21:49
calcseb128: where does the gnome-user-share file share show up after you enable it?21:50
chrisccoulsonis bzr-buildpackage working for anyone here?21:51
seb128dunno I never used it21:51
calcseb128: ok21:51
seb128chrisccoulson: what error do you get?21:51
chrisccoulsonbzr: ERROR: exceptions.NameError: global name 'self' is not defined21:51
chrisccoulsonthen a traceback21:51
calckenvandine_wk: i see you uploaded it last? happen to know how it works, if at all?21:52
chrisccoulsoni wrote a patch for that gnome-media bug and was trying to build it from bzr21:52
chrisccoulsonit works if i already have the upstream tarball21:53
seb128chrisccoulson: didn't that error yet21:54
* calc will try logging out and back in to see if it helps any21:55
chrisccoulsonthat's odd. i've probably broken something on my system ;)21:55
calcok that fixed it21:56
calcgah! gvfs is crap21:57
calcccheney@x200:~/.gvfs/ccheney%27s public files on x200$ touch foo21:57
calctouch: cannot touch `foo': No such file or directory21:57
calcthen ls and its there21:57
calcyou know i'm beginning to think OOo's native gvfs support might not be buggy... its just gvfs is so buggy itself21:58
dobeyOOo doesn't use gvfs :)22:02
calcdobey: it tries to, i have disabled in my build but this failure i am seeing is trying to save the gvfs fuse fs under ~/.gvfs/foo22:07
calcand apparently no one uses gvfs much as I am finding bugs with every new attempt to use it22:07
seb128gvfs is not so buggy stop trolling22:07
seb128the fuse implementation is fallback method and not as tested22:08
dobeycalc: it uses gio. gvfs just happens to provide some backends for gio to use, and does some funky stuff with exposing mounts via fuse implementation22:08
dobeyseb128: no it isn't. it only ever passes around paths that point to the fuse filesystem now, so that stuff works better together22:08
calcseb128: truncate was not supported at all until 1.1.7 (at which point it did with size == 0), it still doesn't support truncate right even for smb, it doesn't work properly for ftp and webdav still22:08
calcseb128: if you touch a file under ftp or webdav it claims it did not save even when it did22:09
seb128why is truncate useful?22:09
seb128those backends are crappy yes22:09
calcseb128: truncate on a fuse fs useful? eh so you can actually save files to the fs like a normal fs22:09
seb128ftp is not a nice protocol and doesn't make the job easy22:09
seb128and webdav has been written quickly and not maintained actively since22:09
seb128that's what I say, don't use fuse22:09
seb128gedit uses gvfs directly and has no such issue22:09
* calc can't tell if the issues he was seeing in OOo before were due to it secretly using gvfs fuse instead of real gvfs or were other bugs22:10
seb128those are bugs but GNOME applications usually use gvfs directly and no the fuse thing22:10
dobeyseb128: one doesn't really have much choice to 'not use fuse' for gvfs any more22:10
dobeyno gnome apps use gvfs directly22:10
dobeyit's not a library :)22:10
seb128they use gio same difference ;-)22:11
seb128rather than trying to do posix calls over fuse which is prone to be buggy22:11
calcso OOo has gnome-vfs and gio support, gio support is totally broken for some reason (can't even start OOo with it enabled), and gnome-vfs support is weirdly broken at this point i think it was because it was giving OOo fuse urls from nautilus at least in some of the cases as fuse seems to have been really broken at least < 1.1.722:12
calcseb128: isn't posix calls the entire point of fuse?22:12
calcif it isn't intended to support posix calls probably gvfs fuse should go away entirely22:12
seb128gnomevfs was crap to use no doubt22:12
seb128it's not that it's not intended22:13
calcer it in my longer comment above meant nautilus i forgot to mention that22:13
seb128but rather than alex prefers to spend effort making gio works correctly22:13
seb128which is what GNOME applications use22:13
calcyea22:13
seb128rather than working on the fuse thingy22:13
dobeywell, davidz does most of the gvfs hacking, not alex22:13
dobeyafaict22:13
seb128no22:13
seb128davidz does the monitors and gphoto coding22:14
calcfuse is useful if it is usable as there are many non-gnome applications that might want network access as well22:14
dobeyfilesystems on linux just suck :)22:14
seb128alex has writting most of gvfs and do most of the gio and gvfs daemon work22:14
seb128well, that's good that you test it and they are fixing bugs you submit22:14
dobeyyeah gvfs exists to avoid doing i/o inside gio :)22:15
seb128that's just not the most interesting part for GNOME22:15
calcheh22:17
calcyea, i agree, i wish OOo gio support would just work :-\22:17
calci don't have time to debug it yet, maybe it will just magically start working with OOo 3.1 for karmic :)22:18
calcsupposedly it works fine for Novell so it might be they forgot to put a patch into trunk22:18
mclasencalc: if you want to ensure that specific OOo-needs keep working in gvfs, figuring out a way to add unit tests for them to gvfs would help enormously22:26
calcmclasen: i'm not actually sure if they ever worked at all, i recently decided to switch OOo over to using gvfs fuse since i couldn't determine what was causing the other saving problems when it was using gnome-vfs22:32
calcmclasen: meaning i don't know if these issues are regressions or just never tested functionality22:32
mclasenit doesn't make any difference for my recommendation...22:33
calcmclasen: does gvfs has a unit test setup already?22:35
calcs/has/have22:36
seb128chrisccoulson: the bzr-builddeb bug is known and fixed to debian apparently, we can probably sync, I will check with pitti or james_w tomorrow22:46
james_wcorrect22:47
james_wI forgot to request the sync, sorry22:47
seb128oh, hey james_w22:47
james_wI'll sort that today22:47
seb128james_w: you know you don't need to request those22:47
seb128james_w: you can just do the sync yourself directly ;-)22:47
chrisccoulsonthanks seb128. i've created a branch of gnome-media with a patch in, and requested a merge in to ubuntu-desktop. i sent the patch upstream too22:47
james_wheh :-)22:47
seb128chrisccoulson: yeah, I'm sponsoring that right now, thanks22:47
james_wah, that's it, it's a merge, due to --install-layout22:48
chrisccoulsonthanks22:48
james_wI need to find out if that's supported in Debian22:48
james_wbut I'll upload today22:48
chrisccoulsonseb128 - just looking at the gnome-desktop bug that slangasek opened. I can recreate it, but it also seems like creating the desktop file is broken too. I just created a desktop file with (what I thought) was a similar Exec line to the one quoted, using gnome-desktop-item-edit, and the backslashes in the unquoted string ended up doubled in the desktop file (so there are 4 of them)22:55
chrisccoulsonso the created desktop file actually ends up working. it only fails if you manually edit the desktop file22:56
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