=== asac_ is now known as asac [07:28] MacSlow, did you happen to get a screenshot of the kerneloops fallback alert with your actions fix? [07:42] Good morning [07:42] good morning o/ [07:44] mpt, already fixed upstrem [07:44] mpt, pitti got our notify-osd release for that yesterday [07:45] mpt, I still need to do the new/proper dialog for kerneloops-applet [07:45] MacSlow, yes, I saw that you fixed the bug, thanks, I was just wanting to see what it looked like [07:45] mpt, there's time allocated for such work today [07:45] ok, I'll chat with you about it this afternoon [07:46] mpt, sure [08:05] asac: hm, I get the "zero signal strengh" icon now for unmanaged devices as well. is that known? [08:06] asac: IIRC it used to show something different for those (my network is fine, its just not managed by NM) [08:08] mvo, asac: zero sig strength> I get the same, when I'm not connected to any wifi [08:08] mvo: yep, cf -devel [08:08] (the ML) [08:12] pitti: I learned yesterday it is a design desicion to show that when no connection is there [08:12] okay [08:13] I'm just curious about the unmanaged devices case [08:15] pitti: morning I've got a query about freesoftware only install jockey offered to install the nvidia binary should it? [08:15] davmor2: no, it's not supposed to [08:15] davmor2: could you please do "ubuntu-bug jockey-gtk" and then add your /etc/apt/sources.list? [08:16] davmor2: please use ubuntu-bug, that will collect log files, etc. [08:16] I didn't think it had before which is why it through me. [08:16] if you don't have restricted in your apt sources, it shouldn't offer it indeed [08:16] pitti: I need to re-do the Ubuntu tests due to re-spin so I'll check it out again then for you [08:16] davmor2: many thank! [08:16] s [08:21] mvo & pitti : the full thread about this change is there: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007345.html [08:23] didrocks: what change? [08:27] seb128: the 0-strength wifi icon for disconnected network [08:27] ah, discussing that again [08:28] we discussed it yesterday afternoon on this channel already ;-) [08:29] hey didrocks mvo pitti btw ;-) [08:29] * pitti hugs seb128 [08:29] seb128: mvo & pitti seemed to not be aware of that or is that my english is getting so bad? ;) [08:29] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:29] hey seb128 btw ;) [08:30] seb128: with the freeze still being on, I declare today as an apport day [08:30] didrocks: I just missed it, probably [08:30] that's basically the design team which decided that disconnected == no signal [08:30] well, I hope I only get that icon if a wifi is available [08:30] which suboptimal if you ask me [08:30] then it makes sense [08:30] (to me, anyway) [08:30] seb128: we agree so :) [08:30] pitti: no [08:30] but macOS does it apparently and that's a good justification for most changes ... [08:31] before, I couldn't tell whether there's wifi available and I'm not connected, or whether there's no wifi at all [08:31] but *shrug* [08:31] pitti: from the ML discussion, it seems not. If you have no wifi card even, you have that icon :/ [08:31] too small a detail for me to argue about.. [08:31] pitti: my first reaction was "urg, my AP is broken" [08:31] didrocks: that sounds wrong [08:31] seb128: so do I :/ [08:31] pitti: ie, "I'm connected but get pretty bad signal but I'm sitting some meters away so it must be broken" [08:31] didrocks: and no, MacOS does *not* show a wifi symbol if you don't have a wifi card [08:32] at least not the one from 2004, which I had on my old ibook [08:32] seb128: it could really be a different icon.. [08:32] not only it could but it should ;-) [08:32] ok, so ffmpeg is crash land but not for me, shrug [08:33] can somebody try playing a video for me? [08:33] which one? [08:33] bug #330165 [08:33] Launchpad bug 330165 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg "video crashes due to vdpau decoders" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330165 [08:33] with my wife being in Italy, I watched a lot of videos this week :) [08:33] the description has instructions [08:34] pitti: the bug seems to be with flv and mp4 mostly [08:34] flv, that's youtube, isn't it? [08:35] * pitti tries http://www.jhepple.com/SampleMovies/niceday.wmv [08:35] which was said to crash totem [08:35] pitti: yeah [08:35] pitti: we totally agree. It seems counter-intuitive. But they are experts and can't argue against that from my user/dev point of view :) [08:35] we'll see user's reaction (and bad one), I'm afraid :/ [08:35] ho, It wasn't intended to troll, just to point you to the discussion thread at the beginning :) [08:36] seb128: hm, it plays and doesn't crash, but it's more like a dia show [08:37] bug #341068 has an example too [08:37] Launchpad bug 341068 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg "totem-gstreamer crashed with SIGSEGV - playing flv file with totem" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/341068 [08:37] seb128: erm, "slide show", I mean [08:37] morning everyone [08:37] lut huats [08:37] hello seb128 and pitti [08:37] seb128: I just got a 0-zero symbol for unmanaged devices as well, this is why I brought it up again. I was wondering if that was intentional as well [08:37] huats: how's the anjuta update doing?-) [08:38] tjaalton: it is on his way [08:38] I was really busy lately [08:38] ok [08:38] but I hope to finish it today [08:38] great [08:38] tjaalton: I hope I'll be able to talk to the debian maintainer today... so that we can take some common decisions... [08:38] hello huats [08:39] hello didrocks [08:39] pitti: that is driving me crazy, lot of users have crashes they can trigger easily on those files but I don't get the bugs on my installs [08:40] hm, .flv works just fine here [08:40] oh, hang on, that was in firefox [08:40] * pitti searches for a youtube downloader [08:40] pitti: the flv is attached to the bug [08:44] seb128: I don't see it [08:44] pitti: what about http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/download/video/6205/talk/481? [08:44] pitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23766462/Romeo_-_Basement_Jaxx.flv on the bug [08:44] I installed youtube download plugin and got http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-B7_7LA02A [08:44] plays fine [08:44] comment #7 [08:44] ok, you don't get those issues either than [08:44] *shrug* [08:45] seb128: I don't think I'm looking at the same bug than you then; I'm on 330165 [08:45] pitti: I was speaking about #341068 [08:45] which is another example [08:45] but people who get the issue seem to get it on any of those example [08:46] could be specific to some hardware or something [08:46] well, upstream disabled the vdpau decoder in svn [08:46] let's see if that makes a difference for those who have the bug [08:46] seb128: romeo plays; do I need to watch the entire one? [08:46] pitti: no, it crash directly for them, thanks [08:47] you are in the same case that I am, works fine for you too [08:47] pitti: is this in totem [08:47] davmor2: yes, standard totem-gstreamer [08:47] seb128: the TED talk works fine as well [08:47] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg/+bug/332860 has mp4 and flv examples [08:47] Ubuntu bug 332860 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in memset(), when clicking proprieties menu" [Medium,New] [08:47] which work fine for me too [08:47] seb128: perhaps we have a different set of codecs installed than them? [08:48] seb128: the codec packages overlap [08:48] pitti: I went though 60 bugs or something and none of the example are crashing for me *shrug* [08:48] seb128: comparing dpkg -l '*gstreamer*' [08:48] might reveal something? [08:48] pitti: I did try to uninstall the universe code totem reinstall those with the codec install thing [08:48] and still no bug [08:48] pitti: the video for me would crash just after it had finished. Type in canon and select the guitar one at the top let it run all the way through and see if it crashes :) [08:48] and got dpkg -l lists form users [08:48] http://pastebin.com/f4de99573 <- mine [08:48] from [08:51] pitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23755515/dpkg_l_gst.txt [08:51] pitti: from bug #330165 [08:51] Launchpad bug 330165 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg "video crashes due to vdpau decoders" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330165 [08:51] pitti: not much difference [08:54] pitti: thanks for trying, don't bother too much I spent yesterday triaging those bugs, there is quite some responsive users I will try to get some to open upstream bugs [08:54] pitti: apport bug days -> good [08:54] seb128: well, not apport bugs [08:54] pitti: please fix the autoduplication to handle master being a duplicate again [08:54] seb128: (1) write launchpad crashdb test suite [08:54] pitti: that's driving me crazy too [08:54] (2) fix that double-duplicate bug [08:55] (3) if there's still time, merge/test the launchpadlib branch [08:55] but this thing really needs a test suite [08:55] LP behaviour is changing too often [08:55] well, once you use launchpadlib things should be stable no? [08:56] right [08:56] but you never know.. [08:56] it's also better for reproducing errors and making sure that bug fixes don't regress other things [08:56] I'm sure that the dup-of-a-dup thing worked some day [08:57] it worked until recently [08:57] and I still need to fix the dup db consolidation [08:57] we rely on that a lot, I closed at least 15 duplicates myself yesterday due to it not working [08:57] all the notify-osd duplicates are let open for example [08:57] I just closed yet an another one [08:59] good morning [08:59] lut crevette [09:04] seb128: btw, you can use dupdb-admin changeid [09:05] seb128: this will change the master bug number [09:05] pitti: ah, good to know, thanks [09:05] seb128: there's also "dump" [09:08] what was the same again of that tools which allowed to search through launchpad bugs using the command line? [09:09] something from bughelper? [09:09] sorry, I never really used that [09:09] bughelper thanks [09:09] ah :) [09:09] launchpad search sucks so much [09:09] that's a shame [09:09] * pitti uses site:bugs.launchpad.net with google [09:12] mvo: pitti: fact is that human theme now has 00_signal for nm-no-connection. thats basically it. so everywhere where we had "nm-no-connection" before in NM we see zero signal strength now. [09:13] asac: that sounds wrong.. [09:13] pitti: dont tell me [09:13] tell dxteam [09:13] or even dux [09:13] mpt: using an empty wifi signal to tell people that they don't have a connection sounds just plain wrong to me [09:13] pitti: look at the thread in devel-discuss [09:13] asac: yeah, I should do that [09:14] pitti: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007345.html [09:15] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007352.html [09:15] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007356.html [09:15] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007359.html [09:16] last one was my suggestion. [09:16] pitti, I agree [09:17] mpt: I do think it makes sense to tell apart the "wifi available, but none connected", and "no network connetion at all available" cases [09:18] yep [09:18] nice [09:18] also ... even if you only have wifi, no signal means for me: "out of range" rather than "APs available, you can click here to connect" [09:18] so if you agree as well, why did we do that change then? [09:18] mat says its logical [09:19] yes, if I don't have a wifi card, it's absolutely logical to display a signal strength [09:19] pitti: I just tried it and it works again Yay :) [09:19] davmor2: jockey or video playback? [09:19] totem playing canon that is :) [09:19] pitti: marks point is that nowadays wired doesnt matter [09:20] huh? [09:20] everybody goes for wifi or broadband [09:20] ok, let me rip out my ethernet cable and disconnect then [09:20] pitti, I don't know [09:20] :) [09:21] I'm using wired connection too right now, should I stop by design team decision? ;-) [09:22] ok, sarcasm aside, it actually works as it should with wired [09:22] I have the two computers, and no signal strength indicator [09:23] right [09:23] the "weird" case is non connected wireless [09:23] mt isn't online right now, but once he does, we should negotiate a compromise with him [09:23] which makes you think you are connected but your accesspoint is broken [09:23] seb128: well, I could even live with that *if* there is wifi available at all [09:23] seb128: +1 [09:23] I find it *very* confusing [09:23] but if you don't even *have* a wifi/3g adapter, it's just plain wrong [09:23] I checked my router first thing [09:24] pitti: only compromise is a red cross [09:24] pitti: every other compromise requires code [09:24] "why should I be connected and get no signal" [09:24] asac: red cross? [09:24] pitti: they sort of agreed that add a red cross over the 0 signal icon would be ok [09:24] pitti: yeah. at least there should be a red-cross over the no-signal icon to show that you are disconnected [09:24] (wasn't that meant to make the icon to be recognized _easier_?) [09:24] asac: ah [09:24] pitti: i mean even if i have wireless, its completely confusing to see empty signal for me [09:24] add -> adding [09:25] asac: +1 [09:26] as i said in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/007359.html ... imo we should go back and do our homework and come up with something more innnovative. if we find something more innovative we should skip this step [09:26] for the record: I find it confusing as well and think people will assume our n-m is broken if it shows a signal strengh icon on non-wifi hardware [09:27] even if that means we dont change anything this cycle [09:34] mvo: if they think nm is broken that's not too bad ;-) [09:35] mvo: I though my accesspoint was broken ;-) [10:00] pitti, seb128, asac, we've just discussed this in the sprint and I've followed up on ubuntu-devel-discuss@ [10:01] mpt: thanks! [10:01] (short version: we'll have another go at designing the wireless-off icon) [10:01] mpt: thanks! [10:10] mpt: great. [10:14] thanks mpt [10:17] pitti: ok, those ffmpeg crash are there only when using libavcodec52-unstripped [10:17] aah [10:17] ie the multiverse build [10:18] thanks to siretart who give me the hint to try that [10:36] mvo: you said once that i can cleanup my apt packages db (so it gets faster again) ... any hints? === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [10:41] asac: system-cleaner can do that now for you, sudo dpkg --forget-old-unavail and then sudo dpkg --clear-avail [10:45] mvo: system-cleaner is not deprecated? [10:45] mvo: it got cleaned on my boxes [10:45] mpt: thanks for the change proposal on the icon :) [10:47] didrocks, thank kwwii and mat_t for getting it sorted out under pressure :-) [10:52] mvo: trying [10:53] guys not sure if this is a bug or what but I just noticed that on my laptop on login I get no notify-osd for the wifi connection. However if I click on it again to make it reconnect I do. Is this a bug is it just that notify-osd has kicked in at that point? [10:54] seb128: oh? interessting - by autoclean ? [10:55] mvo: rather by the dist-upgrader in update-manager I think [10:55] mvo: and by system-cleaner itself on an another box I think which is ironic ;-) [10:57] haha [10:57] indeed :) [10:58] mvo: wasn't that supposed to be available in update manager or something? [10:58] I didn't follow the details [11:01] yes, but it was decided to keep it as a seperate one too [11:06] hmm after reboot my nfs authentication fails e.g. no mount [11:11] mvo: how do you access to the update-manager copy? [11:12] seb128: for computer-janitor? the core is now merged into u-m [11:12] mvo: right, how do you get that to trigger? [11:12] mvo: ie I had 15 linux versions installed recently [11:12] mvo: and I didn't find what to do to clean those [11:12] that's why I ran the deprecated system-cleaner [11:12] which cleaned itself while cleaning those ;-) [11:13] the update-manager one is only run after a release upgrade, there is no other way to trigger it [11:13] hum ok [11:13] it depends on some infomration that is gathered during the upgrade (like what is obsolete before and after sources.list rewrite) [11:13] this is why the system-cleaner is still there :) [11:46] pitti: bug 341647 I just check the source.list and restricted doesn't seem to be there. Do you want me to try and install the nvidia driver (which I haven't yet)? [11:46] Launchpad bug 341647 in jockey "Jaunty: Freesoftware Only. Jockey is offering Nvidia binary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/341647 [11:48] davmor2: is it offering it? [11:48] davmor2: no need to try [11:48] davmor2: just start jockey, check if it's there [11:48] davmor2: and if so, close it, and send "ubuntu-bug jockey-gtk" [11:49] davmor2: "no need to try" -> "no need to install" [11:49] pitti: yes it's offered. Jockey auto starts and says there are drivers available [11:49] davmor2: you found a bug then [11:49] the bug above was created with ubuntu-bug [11:51] davmor2: cool, thanks! [11:54] davmor2: hm, are you still in that system? [11:54] davmor2: would you mind trying to install it? [11:55] davmor2: I can't reproduce bug 335567 [11:55] Launchpad bug 335567 in jockey "jockey-backend crashed with IOError: [Errno 19] No such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335567 [11:55] I don't have an nvidia card [11:55] I tried to "fake" it, but it doesn't crash [11:57] pitti: are you in the release team? [11:58] pitti: i guess so. are the CDs done? i would like to upload the icon fix for the signal thing ... bug 341638 [11:58] Launchpad bug 341638 in human-theme "new no-connection icon confusing (using zero signal wireless icon)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/341638 [11:58] asac: no, we are still in freeze [11:58] pitti: e.g. kwwii provided the update [11:58] slangasek will announce the un-freeze [11:58] pitti: yeah. but couldnt we upload and so in case new CDs need to be made it would just pick this change as a ride along? [11:58] ok [11:58] no, sorry [11:58] i will wait then [12:06] pitti: no probs [12:08] pitti: I had it still earlier on desktop install but on this one it's not downloading it. Give me half an hour I need to test manual install [12:09] davmor2: maybe because it didn't run apt-get update once? [12:09] pitti: by the way on that one it does install the driver it just doesn't tell you it has :) [12:09] davmor2: btw, offering you the driver if apt-get update didn't fire before is the very same bug [12:15] pitti: so should jockey not trigger an update before it starts trying to download? [12:15] davmor2: I'd rather not have that [12:15] davmor2: instead I want jockey to only fire after there are packages available [12:16] which will help for both situations [12:16] (apt-get update not done, and restricted not available) [12:16] pitti: makes sense [12:54] pitti: Right up and running about to test now [12:56] and crash [12:59] pitti: it hits 100% on the download and install then the bar swings left and right and it's at that point that the crash icon appears [13:05] pitti: Anything else before I move on? [13:05] davmor2: which crash do you get, the IOError 19? [13:06] pitti: Just double checking [13:06] pitti: Yes [13:06] ah! [13:07] davmor2: if you try to disable the driver and enable it again. does it happen again? [13:07] davmor2: I'm looking for someone who can reproduce that without much effort [13:07] davmor2: the log isn't sufficient, I need an strace of the backend [13:07] and I just can't reproduce it without a real nvidia card, it seems :( [13:07] pitti: Uninstalling now [13:08] re-installing [13:08] pitti: No crash the second time [13:10] hum [13:10] davmor2: could you try this: [13:10] - close jockey [13:10] - sudo killall jockey-backend [13:10] - enable driver in jockey [13:10] oh, please uninstall the driver before [13:10] davmor2: do you have a little time for debugging this? [13:11] davmor2: hang on, let me reprase [13:11] - uninstall driver [13:11] - close jocokey [13:11] - sudo killall jockey-backend [13:11] - start jockey [13:11] - sudo strace -f -o /tmp/jockey.trace -p `pidof jockey-backend` [13:12] - enable driver [13:12] pitti: Let me get my isotesting done for now. I'll get back to you. Also I'll partimage the drive after a fresh install then if all else fails I can always drop it back on :) [13:12] if it crashes, please attach /tmp/jockey.trace to bug 335567 [13:12] Launchpad bug 335567 in jockey "jockey-backend crashed with IOError: [Errno 19] No such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335567 [13:12] davmor2: ah, right [13:12] davmor2: I'll attach those instructions to the bug [13:12] thanks :) [13:12] davmor2: If you're going to do another install anyway, maybe you can attach strace to jockey-backend the next time right away after a fresh install? [13:13] davmor2: thanks, dude, you rock [13:13] no probs [13:13] morning rickspencer3 [13:16] mvo: did you see my comments on that bug about the indicator script? [13:17] mvo: i tried every scenario i could think of... one time it randomly ended up to the right of the help icon instead of to the left of the notification area [13:18] davmor2: pidof jockey-backend doesn't work; I added the steps to bug 335567 [13:18] Launchpad bug 335567 in jockey "jockey-backend crashed with IOError: [Errno 19] No such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335567 [13:18] hey kenvandine_wk [13:19] kenvandine_wk: I read it. do oyu have the gconf dumb of this time? I'm currently disussing it with ted and seb how to bring it to the users [13:20] kenvandine_wk: the idea of ted was to run it automatically once on login on the grouds that it just adds something [13:20] mvo: i agree with ted [13:20] I'm not sure about that, or if we should rather have a notice and let the user decide (but the user can alays remove it) [13:20] mvo: i should have been dumping gconf :/ [13:20] mvo: i can do it a bunch more times [13:20] might happen again [13:21] hey pitti [13:21] kenvandine_wk: thanks, we can watch bugreport I guess [13:21] ok [13:21] i'll do it [13:23] mvo: just dump /apps/panel ? [13:24] kenvandine_wk: yeah, that should be good [13:25] kenvandine_wk: see /msg :) [13:34] mvo: i just attached a gconf dump where it was placed to the left of the menu [13:34] thanks [13:34] * mvo checks [13:34] a screenshot too please ? I have a bad imagination [13:34] mvo: it succeeded 7 times before that happened [13:34] sure [13:35] mvo: attached [13:37] always with the same panel layout? [13:37] yeah [13:37] when you run "killall gnome-panel" on the broken one [13:37] is it still broken after the restart? [13:37] * kenvandine_wk tries [13:37] yeah [13:37] pitti: ArneGoetje: asac: bryce_: calc: seb128: kenvandine_wk: it looks like the sponsoring deadline for Karmic UDS is in two days [13:38] ! [13:38] rickspencer3: that is for sponsoring community folks, right? [13:38] rickspencer3: what? did we get any email about inviting people yet? [13:38] is there anything i should do there? [13:38] kenvandine_wk: yes [13:38] * kenvandine_wk didn't know :) [13:38] seb128: it was probably on a blog somewhere :P [13:39] rickspencer3: err. you mean for upstream folks? [13:39] seb128: kenvandine_wk: I think it was blogged and such . [13:39] * kenvandine_wk blames jono [13:39] asac: yes ... anyone we want to sponsor [13:39] rickspencer3: so do we just suggest one person? [13:39] the community team people live in an another world [13:40] kenvandine_wk: unfortunately, I am not familiar with this part of the process, so I will have to rely on you guys [13:40] rickspencer3: thought the ubuntu deadline was like last week [13:40] first don't expect we read all the blog posts, etc [13:40] hehe... [13:40] and usually we have 2 sorts of people [13:40] - community people can apply [13:40] I just got a mail that the "deadline is looming" and it's the 14th [13:40] - and we can make list of people we want to invite [13:40] I was waiting for an email about the second category [13:40] here's the link: [13:40] https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/UDS/Karmic/Sponsorship [13:41] (sorry folks, it's internal canonical ;) ) [13:41] jcastro: dude, do you know about that? [13:41] rickspencer3: no page there [13:41] I already had complain about uds organization previous cycle [13:41] hmmm [13:42] they are trying hard to make sure we don't invite upstream people or what ;-) [13:42] seb128: jcastro isn't on IM... so i guess not around [13:42] let's not start throwing our friends under buses! [13:42]