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| * persia peers about | 11:58 | |
| persia | OK. Time for the Mobile Team meeting | 12:00 |
| persia | #startmeeting | 12:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is persia. | 12:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 12:00 |
| persia | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090312 | 12:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090312 | 12:00 |
| persia | [topic] persia's action items | 12:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: persia's action items | 12:00 |
| persia | Erm. I'll run through the test cases and put them up tomorrow | 12:00 |
| persia | [topic] NCommander's action items | 12:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander's action items | 12:01 |
| * NCommander is trying to pull up the list | 12:01 | |
| * ogra is here now | 12:01 | |
| ogra | do we have lool ? or is he travelling ? | 12:02 |
| NCommander | I have my jax10 working again, I'll be posting the log today | 12:02 |
| ogra | (i know davidm is) | 12:02 |
| NCommander | No progress on anything else due to babbage enablement. | 12:02 |
| * ogra looks around for StevenK | 12:02 | |
| persia | NCommander, OK. DO you want those carried over? | 12:02 |
| NCommander | persia, I think the arm-softboot-loader spec probably should me scratched, simply because I'm not going to touch it until karmic unless my TODO flies away and I have nothing left/ | 12:03 |
| NCommander | the dmesg will be posted today, no need to carry over. | 12:03 |
| * StevenK shores | 12:04 | |
| persia | I'll carry it anyway, as it's not done now :) | 12:04 |
| NCommander | fair enough | 12:04 |
| persia | But I'll drop the arm-softboot-loader stuff. | 12:04 |
| ogra | NCommander, it would still be helpful to have a full researc on the softbootloader stuff in advance to karmic | 12:04 |
| persia | [topic] lool's action items | 12:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lool's action items | 12:04 |
| NCommander | ogra, I perfectly agree, but I don't think its worth this getting carried over constantly, I'm not touching it until karmic. | 12:05 |
| persia | It's on the roadmap anyway. | 12:05 |
| persia | OK. I'll carry that over. | 12:06 |
| persia | [topic] ogra's action items | 12:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ogra's action items | 12:06 |
| persia | ogra, Still three people listed on the Roadmap. Did the less visible part get done? | 12:06 |
| ogra | well, babbage enablement kept me from doing anytrhing else | 12:07 |
| persia | Well, since your only action item was "take charge of Babbage enablement", I'm still curious if it got done :) | 12:07 |
| ogra | though i think the babbage image implements a part of selection-of-arm images | 12:07 |
| ogra | probably even the biggest part :) | 12:08 |
| persia | That's not a bad thing. | 12:08 |
| persia | Still, are you the reporting person, or shall this be carried over? | 12:08 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/babbage/ has the image ... | 12:08 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/babbage/ has the image ... | 12:08 |
| persia | We're not there yet :) That comes later. | 12:08 |
| ogra | seems to largely work with a handfull of known bugs | 12:08 |
| ogra | (well, thats my report on babbage enablement ... whgich is an action item ;) ) | 12:09 |
| persia | OK. I'm claiming you're in charge, and that the action is done then. | 12:10 |
| persia | Moving on to the roadmap | 12:10 |
| persia | [topic] offline-installer | 12:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: offline-installer | 12:10 |
| ogra | nmo progress ... still the rootfs script is our best we have | 12:11 |
| ogra | *no | 12:11 |
| persia | [topic] mobile-setup-wizard | 12:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mobile-setup-wizard | 12:11 |
| ogra | and i'm happy to confirm that bug 328167 isnt caused by the setup the script implements | 12:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 328167 in gnome-keyring "gnome-keyring-daemon eating 100% CPU at login in Jaunty" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328167 | 12:11 |
| persia | Oh, good! | 12:11 |
| ogra | its actually a g-k-d bug | 12:11 |
| ogra | (since it also shows up on the live image) | 12:12 |
| ogra | any news on the setup wizard ? | 12:13 |
| persia | I'm still trying to figure out exactly how to display the right next steps to complete the procedure with oem-config, but think I'm nearly there. I ought to be able to report out on a procedure for an OEM install of both mobile flavours for next week. | 12:14 |
| persia | Note that UNR can be oem installed now, if one doesn't use the launcher (or exposes the Desktop). | 12:14 |
| persia | [topic] arm-library-optimisation | 12:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: arm-library-optimisation | 12:14 |
| persia | lool doesn't seem to be around, so we'll skip this one this week | 12:14 |
| persia | [topic] pouslbo-packaging | 12:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: pouslbo-packaging | 12:15 |
| persia | In Progress. The 2D stuff works great. The 3D stuff doesn't work. The documentation is lagging. | 12:15 |
| persia | [topic] general-resolution-for-touchscree-handling | 12:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: general-resolution-for-touchscree-handling | 12:15 |
| ogra | no progress (sadly) | 12:15 |
| persia | [topic] arm-softboot-loader | 12:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: arm-softboot-loader | 12:16 |
| ogra | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3127852160d9e8ec0680bf3720e08e49&t=25975 the bootmenu at the bootom is very intresting | 12:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3127852160d9e8ec0680bf3720e08e49&t=25975 the bootmenu at the bootom is very intresting | 12:16 |
| persia | So, digging into this debate: I agree that we need to get more research and prep work done before karmic starts. | 12:16 |
| NCommander | no progress w.r.t. to drafting the spec. | 12:16 |
| persia | Not necessarily any code, but it would be nice to have at least some serious framework for discussion for UDS. | 12:16 |
| ogra | right | 12:17 |
| NCommander | No, that I agree | 12:17 |
| ogra | the possible existing implementations should be researched (and there are plenty) | 12:17 |
| persia | OK. Since we're all in agreement, let's leave this on the roadmap, and keep tracking it. | 12:17 |
| ogra | and should be listed in the spec draft | 12:17 |
| persia | [topic] selection-of-arm-images | 12:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: selection-of-arm-images | 12:17 |
| ogra | well ... | 12:18 |
| ogra | no gui tzool and i doubt i'll write one | 12:18 |
| ogra | but we have a live image | 12:18 |
| ogra | due to lack of offficially supported kernels it doesnt make real sense to add the additional tool | 12:18 |
| persia | Should the spec be trimmed, and a follow-up spec be written for a GUI, or will a GUI not be useful in the long-term? | 12:18 |
| NCommander | Now that the kernel has landed, we just need flash-kernel added, then a d-i port becomes fessible. | 12:18 |
| ogra | yeah, spec trimming seems sensible | 12:19 |
| persia | [action] ogra to trim selection-of-arm-images to a smaller scope | 12:19 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to trim selection-of-arm-images to a smaller scope | 12:19 |
| ogra | a gui tool really only makes sense if we have multiple kernels we support | 12:19 |
| persia | [action] ogra to register a new spec for a GUI to assist with kernel addition to arm images | 12:19 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to register a new spec for a GUI to assist with kernel addition to arm images | 12:19 |
| persia | Right. Let's just register that separately, and then discuss again once we have a better picture of the karmic kernel situation. | 12:20 |
| ogra | jep | 12:20 |
| persia | [topic] lpia-versus-i386 | 12:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lpia-versus-i386 | 12:20 |
| ogra | really depends what platforms we'll support in KK | 12:20 |
| persia | lool is away again, so skipping. | 12:20 |
| persia | [topic] mobile-spec-cleanup | 12:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mobile-spec-cleanup | 12:20 |
| persia | No change | 12:20 |
| persia | [topic] bug #299847 | 12:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #299847 | 12:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 299847 in linux "Shared memory operations on very fast ARM hardware suffer from non-atomic operations and race conditions." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299847 | 12:20 |
| ogra | did you ever recieve the app reviews ? | 12:21 |
| * ogra knows he didnt do one | 12:21 | |
| persia | That was mid-application-selection, and no, y'all suck :p | 12:21 |
| NCommander | What app reviews? | 12:21 |
| NCommander | oh | 12:21 |
| NCommander | I sent mine! | 12:21 |
| persia | Anyway, we're talking about a FTBFS bug. | 12:21 |
| NCommander | Anyway, no real progress. strace has a huge signal to noise ratio due to perl, and I have yet to create a working test case | 12:22 |
| ogra | right, NCommander, any news ? | 12:22 |
| persia | OK. | 12:22 |
| persia | [topic] bug#328167 | 12:22 |
| * NCommander would like to see if a new kernel this still happens | 12:22 | |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug#328167 | 12:22 |
| ogra | upstream acknowledged it as NEW ... | 12:22 |
| ogra | no further response yet | 12:22 |
| persia | Cool. Any likelihood of a solution? | 12:22 |
| persia | Oh well. | 12:22 |
| ogra | i saw it working once on the live image and thought it was a clock issue | 12:22 |
| ogra | but that was a red herring | 12:23 |
| NCommander | As a datapoint | 12:23 |
| NCommander | I've never had an issues with g-k-d | 12:23 |
| ogra | now that i have a live image i can work on that to do further debugging though | 12:23 |
| * NCommander has not been able to reproduce :-/ | 12:23 | |
| ogra | NCommander, it should show up on the live image | 12:23 |
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| ogra | if it doesnt for you, please note that in the bug | 12:23 |
| ogra | because then its somehow HW related | 12:24 |
| ogra | i cant actually reproduce it now | 12:24 |
| ogra | on all my setups | 12:24 |
| ogra | it might as well be kernel related, but we need more data to actually point at a place | 12:25 |
| NCommander | ogra, scratch that, just started up, and its happening for me | 12:26 |
| ogra | right | 12:26 |
| * NCommander hasn't had this issue before expect when running on the liveCD | 12:26 | |
| ogra | so everyone of us can reproduce it now | 12:26 |
| persia | [topic] bug #280699 | 12:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #280699 | 12:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 280699 in libcanberra "canberra-gtk-play crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc()" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280699 | 12:26 |
| ogra | which should give us the option to nail it down more easily | 12:26 |
| NCommander | I think that's the wrong bug number | 12:27 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:27 |
| ogra | 669 :) | 12:27 |
| persia | [topic] bug #280669 | 12:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #280669 | 12:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 280669 in linux "DMA mode and driver jax10" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280669 | 12:27 |
| persia | Sorry. | 12:27 |
| * ogra once had a car plate with the same issue :) was fun | 12:27 | |
| NCommander | I have my jax10 working again, and I have an lpia image, I'm going to post the dmesg and answer lool's question, hopefully today | 12:28 |
| persia | [topic] bug #336770 | 12:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #336770 | 12:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 336770 in flash-kernel "Problems Installing Jaunty On NSLU2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336770 | 12:28 |
| ogra | its gotten a lot further and i think the issues the reporter sees are due to lvm or encryption | 12:29 |
| ogra | thought its a bit odd that he hits oom while swap is mounted | 12:29 |
| ogra | i'm running a test install today but it will still take several hours | 12:29 |
| persia | Sounds under control then. | 12:29 |
| ogra | i think its fixed if you go with all the standards | 12:30 |
| NCommander | ogra, NSLU2 installation requires loads of swap, I've had it OOM with Debian with a 364M swap partition. | 12:30 |
| persia | [topic] bug #338148 | 12:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #338148 | 12:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338148 in vnc4 "Needs new version from Debian: fails to build with removal of mesa-swx11-source" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338148 | 12:30 |
| ogra | just selecting special options seems to trigger it | 12:30 |
| ogra | that vnc bug doesnt lok any arm specific | 12:31 |
| ogra | (the rodmap mentionjs it as armel porting specific) | 12:31 |
| persia | Right. I'll take a look at it in detail tomorrow, but I agree it doesn't look ARM specific. | 12:31 |
| ogra | looks liek a simple merge bug | 12:32 |
| ogra | *like | 12:32 |
| persia | [action] persia to investigate 338148 | 12:32 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to investigate 338148 | 12:32 |
| persia | [topic] NSLU2 enablement | 12:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NSLU2 enablement | 12:32 |
| ogra | well, its tracked on bug #336770 | 12:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 336770 in flash-kernel "Problems Installing Jaunty On NSLU2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336770 | 12:33 |
| persia | And you said that you think it works if you use the default options, right? | 12:33 |
| ogra | as i said above, i assume installing without extra options works | 12:33 |
| ogra | right | 12:33 |
| persia | If you can confirm that, would you drop it from the roadmap as complete? | 12:33 |
| ogra | the reporter there tries to use encrypted lvm and i assume thats just not possible with the amount of ram | 12:34 |
| ogra | but i need to confirm first | 12:34 |
| ogra | yep | 12:34 |
| persia | [topic] Babbage Enablement | 12:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Babbage Enablement | 12:34 |
| ogra | first manually rolled live image is there | 12:34 |
| NCommander | morning davidm | 12:35 |
| davidm | NCommander, morning | 12:35 |
| ogra | we're waiting for NCommanders redboot package and for lool's redboot partitioning scheme | 12:35 |
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| ogra | and a tool to write to the partitions | 12:35 |
| NCommander | Well, we can build redboot from source now | 12:35 |
| davidm | Sorry I'm late and I have to leave again in minutes | 12:35 |
| NCommander | (and its evil toolchain) | 12:35 |
| ogra | right, package it :) | 12:35 |
| NCommander | I have | 12:35 |
| NCommander | (mostly) | 12:35 |
| NCommander | Packages still need some work, but I can get a working GCC package | 12:35 |
| * ogra considers it done if a package shows up on jaunty-changes :P | 12:36 | |
| ogra | (so dont say "i have" ;) ) | 12:36 |
| NCommander | Well, I packaged it (which I have) | 12:36 |
| NCommander | I just haven't submitted it :-) | 12:36 |
| ogra | if we require a special tool to write to the redboot partitions, this tool should probably go into the package as well | 12:37 |
| ogra | please talk to lool about that | 12:37 |
| ogra | it might only use dd with different offests | 12:37 |
| ogra | which could as well be a flash-kernel addition, but i'm not sure | 12:37 |
| NCommander | ogra, well, at the moment, I'm concerned on building redboot as a package, lool is handling fis/fconfig/flash-kernel AFAIK | 12:38 |
| ogra | right | 12:38 |
| ogra | thats what i'm saying | 12:38 |
| ogra | lool handles the partitioning and will tell us what we need to write to them | 12:38 |
| ogra | if there is a special script that might be better going into the redboot package | 12:39 |
| NCommander | ogra, well, at the moment, I only have the EVIL toolchain building | 12:39 |
| NCommander | and I need to fix up the GCC package so its not just one major blob of files | 12:39 |
| ogra | right, do what you need to do | 12:39 |
| ogra | thats highest prio | 12:39 |
| ogra | we need redboot packaged to autobuild the images | 12:40 |
| ogra | i'm currently blocked on that with liveimage auto-creation | 12:40 |
| ogra | a manual image is nice as a first shot, but we need dailies | 12:40 |
| davidm | NCommander, please get the situation solved ASAP, we need to get liveimage auto-creation | 12:41 |
| davidm | I need dailies last week!!!! | 12:41 |
| davidm | NCommander, | 12:41 |
| ogra | haha | 12:41 |
| davidm | NCommander, ^^ | 12:41 |
| ogra | without kernel :P | 12:41 |
| * NCommander would need a time machine to fix that for you :-/ | 12:41 | |
| davidm | OK sorry have to run to catch shuttle to office | 12:41 |
| ogra | even the kernel we have atm is very shaky | 12:41 |
| ogra | it only works due to several hacks i applied | 12:42 |
| NCommander | ogra, I still can't use a root=USB stick :-/ | 12:42 |
| ogra | (in initramfs/casper) | 12:42 |
| davidm | understood, but lets get what we can done, done. | 12:42 |
| ogra | right | 12:42 |
| ogra | first step is redboot | 12:42 |
| NCommander | davidm, its top of my priorities, but full directions on how to build RedBoot are up, so we can generate the blob by hand, but if I'm lucky, we can get a RB binary built, then I need to sitdown and make the packages not be ugly | 12:42 |
| NCommander | (building GCC is extremely nasty ATM) | 12:42 |
| ogra | and getting the kernel in shape, which i''m working on with amitk | 12:42 |
| ogra | last step is to make it all work with ubiquity | 12:43 |
| NCommander | I should have all the initial packaging done by weeks end. Probably take a few more days though to get it all through REVU, through NEW, and into the archive ... | 12:43 |
| ogra | some issues are already on cjwatson's plate for that (partitioning and HW support in d.i for example) | 12:44 |
| ogra | NCommander, feel free to ask StevenK, persia and me for REVU reviews ... we should get it through fast | 12:44 |
| NCommander | ogra, oh, I plan to, but I still need to have the packages done to do that :-) | 12:44 |
| ogra | indeed | 12:45 |
| ogra | persia, i think thats it for babbage enablement atm | 12:45 |
| persia | [topic] ARM benchmarking | 12:46 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM benchmarking | 12:46 |
| NCommander | Mostly completed. Two app benchmarks haven't been run, but I have a working LCD again, so I can finish those up once I write the old redboot and a 2.6.26 kernel to my SD card. | 12:46 |
| ogra | thats only relevant for karmic, right ? | 12:47 |
| ogra | we wont do any archive rebuild for jaunty | 12:47 |
| NCommander | ogra, right, these have been done awhile, but blocked on my LCD going bing and dying | 12:47 |
| ogra | so its not critical to have before beta | 12:47 |
| ogra | babbage enablement is ... | 12:47 |
| persia | OK. That's it for the roadmap then. | 12:48 |
| ogra | so please priorize babbage above benchmarks | 12:48 |
| persia | The only other thing on the agenda is meeting times, so: | 12:48 |
| NCommander | ogra, I know :-) | 12:48 |
| persia | [topic] Discuss moving meeting time to be more convenient for those in UTC-5 through UTC-8 | 12:48 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Discuss moving meeting time to be more convenient for those in UTC-5 through UTC-8 | 12:48 |
| ogra | well, not enought people around to discuss that imho | 12:48 |
| persia | I submit that not enough people are around in part because of the current time of the meeting. | 12:49 |
| ogra | not really | 12:49 |
| * NCommander notes that most of the Americans that are regulars are MIA | 12:49 | |
| persia | Anyone else want to defer to next week? | 12:49 |
| ogra | the US people are all in UK atm | 12:49 |
| NCommander | ogra, I'm not :-P | 12:49 |
| ogra | theoretically it should be a perfect time | 12:49 |
| ogra | NCommander, well, but you are here :) | 12:50 |
| persia | OK. Deferred. | 12:50 |
| NCommander | It should be noted that with the US in daylight savings, the meeting is now an hour lower for us US folks | 12:50 |
| NCommander | (yay for 8am vs 7m) | 12:50 |
| persia | Any other business? | 12:50 |
| * ogra hasnt heard lower wrt to time ever :) | 12:50 | |
| ogra | looks like we're done ? | 12:52 |
| persia | OK. Meeting adjourned. | 12:52 |
| persia | #endmeeting | 12:52 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 07:52. | 12:52 |
| persia | I'm feeling lousy today. If someone else volunteered to write up the minutes, I'd be happy. | 12:53 |
| * dholbach hugs persia | 12:53 | |
| persia | Oh well. Expect them late then. | 12:54 |
| ogra | thanks persia for chairing | 12:54 |
| persia | dholbach, :) | 12:54 |
| * NCommander hugs persia as well | 12:54 | |
| cjwatson | ogra: I'm interested to know what these issues that are on my plate are :-) | 12:55 |
| ogra | cjwatson, the partitioning stuff that partman came up with | 12:55 |
| cjwatson | ogra: err, you'll have to remind me | 12:56 |
| ogra | cjwatson, and general HW support for babbage, we talked about both before but i'm waiting for a motre finalized kernel | 12:56 |
| ogra | *more | 12:56 |
| ogra | cjwatson, be sure i will, its my main work item until beta | 12:56 |
| ogra | but atm i'm focuing mre on getting the images clean than on installability | 12:57 |
| ogra | *focusing more | 12:57 |
| ogra | (one step at a time) | 12:57 |
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| * persia peers about | 13:57 | |
| persia | Who's here for the Java Team Meeting? | 14:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 14:00 |
| persia | Right. Someone ought popularise these meetings more :) | 14:01 |
| persia | Nothing special on the agenda. | 14:01 |
| persia | robilad isn't here | 14:01 |
| persia | slytherin isn't here | 14:01 |
| persia | The only remaining obstacle to dropping sun-java5 is that there are some pending SRUs, which I'm hoping to get in process this weekend. I do expect it can be dropped for beta. | 14:02 |
| persia | ttx, How's progrss on the Java-Contents file? | 14:02 |
| ttx | persia: I haven't make a lot of progress since last week, I was taken on something more urgent. | 14:03 |
| ttx | As soon as I free one hour or two it should be completed | 14:03 |
| ttx | and the result posted on some people.ubuntu.com location. + code to regenerate it in LP | 14:04 |
| persia | OK. | 14:04 |
| persia | How about plans to attract more Java packagers? | 14:05 |
| ttx | I still have to compile a list of missing libraries that we would target and coordinate with debian-java | 14:05 |
| ttx | so no progress here either, sorry | 14:06 |
| persia | OK. | 14:06 |
| persia | Anything else to add or mention? | 14:06 |
| ttx | i had good feedback on my LibraryPackaging doc though | 14:06 |
| persia | Cool! | 14:06 |
| ttx | ludovicc and twerner seem to make good progress on the Maven side of things | 14:06 |
| ttx | Checking their work out is on my TODO list... somewhere | 14:07 |
| persia | Excellent. You think we'll be in shape for karmic? | 14:07 |
| ttx | We should import most of what's needed during the debian import window, yes. | 14:07 |
| ttx | I have to look at it deeper to be sure it will be the case | 14:08 |
| persia | That should make it easier to adopt more packages, or at least handle those who have signed on to maven completely. | 14:09 |
| ttx | nothing else on my side | 14:11 |
| persia | I don't have anything else either. | 14:12 |
| persia | Meeting adjourned then. Until next week. | 14:12 |
| ttx | Thanks persia ! | 14:13 |
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