[00:04] <fta> JayPee, Mook_sb, stevel: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/songbird-1.1.1.png  thanks for your help guys.
[00:05] <Mook_sb> yay!
[00:05] <stevel> woot!
[00:05] <Mook_sb> stevel: s/w/p/
[00:05]  * stevel notices missing servicepane icons for SHOUTcast & Concerts
[00:05] <stevel> disabled extensions due to update i suppose
[00:06] <JayPee> I didn't you know you guys build with --enable-official
[00:06] <fta> yeah, addon updates are damn slow
[00:06] <fta> it's a release, not a random snapshot so why not?
[00:07] <fta> we do the same for all products
[00:07] <JayPee> because it turns on things that don't make sense, and are confusing for users
[00:07] <JayPee> i.e. build number, for one
[00:07] <JayPee> but I suspect I'm probably the only one that cares about such things.
[00:07] <fta> it's not in the archive anyway so it's still a limited community :(
[00:08] <JayPee> fta: yeah; why is that again?
[00:08]  * JayPee forgot
[00:08] <JayPee> XR issues?
[00:08] <fta> for not using the system xulrunner
[00:08] <fta> yes
[00:09] <JayPee> gotcha
[00:09] <JayPee> fta: well, if you use this system, I don't imagine it'll change too much more.
[00:09] <JayPee> so you shouldn't have to fight with it again.
[00:09] <fta> ? what do you mean?
[00:12] <JayPee> fta: earlier, you said "at each milestone, every changes, so i'm back to square one, it's frustrating, at best." I'm saying this isn't slated to change much more, if at all.
[00:12] <stevel> fta: i think he means the vendor build stuff... the build system shouldn't be changing
[00:12] <JayPee> so you shouldn't have to spend this much time on it again.
[00:13] <fta> ok, good to know
[00:13] <JayPee> but, if you do run into problems, it would be helpful if you filed a bug
[00:13] <JayPee> maybe there are some things we can make easier
[00:14] <JayPee> fta: I will let you know now, though, I'm working on a new core build system...
[00:14] <JayPee> so *that's* going to change... ;-)
[00:14] <fta> yeah, i know nothing is stable but this package is one of the most complex i ever created
[00:15] <fta> mozilla is trivial in comparison
[00:15] <JayPee> what makes it so complicated for you?
[00:16] <fta> even chromium, with the same arches, 10 times your number of deps, and >10 times the volume of sources is just a svn co + scons from a running binary nowadays
[00:17] <JayPee> that didn't really answer my question
[00:19] <fta> nm, it's been a long day. a 300 lines debian/rules file is not qualified as easy, but i wrote it so i'm partially at fault too.
[00:20] <fta> it's 1:20am here
[00:20] <JayPee> heh
[00:20] <JayPee> one of *those* days
[00:20] <JayPee> well, if you want to provide specifics, I will be happy to see if we can address some of them
[00:20] <JayPee> I've already been able to help address some of OpenSolaris' problems
[00:20] <JayPee> not all of them, but some of them
[00:20] <JayPee> but I can't if I don't know about them
[00:21] <JayPee> and I don't follow this channel religiously ;-)
[00:24] <fta> i don't have real showstoppers, until now, i managed. it's just that it has so many steps, knobs, env vars, etc, that it's scary for eventual (packaging) contributors
[00:27] <JayPee> well, I think you're complaining about the lack of documentation
[00:27] <JayPee> because the vast majority of those knobs and env vars exist precisely for packagers
[00:27] <JayPee> well, vast majority is probably an overstatement
[00:27] <JayPee> but many of them
[00:32] <fta> do you have a make install now?
[00:34] <JayPee> no
[00:35] <fta> that would sure help
[00:36] <JayPee> hrm; does Firefox have one?
[00:36] <JayPee> (you should file bugs on things you care about)
[00:39] <fta> firefox, xul, and most moz products have one
[00:40] <JayPee> yes, along with most open source packages
[01:40] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/130006/ (with timeout at 4000, and novj novjccomp in /etc/ppp/options - which are apparently ignored)
[09:10] <asac> fta: can you please tell me what you have set as APN, username/password for your connection?
[09:26] <fta> hi
[09:26] <fta> asac, what do you mean?
[09:28] <asac> fta: did you use the broadband wizard?
[09:28] <asac> to setup the connections?
[09:28] <asac> or are you using "Auto GSM" connections?
[09:28] <asac> seems you use auto
[09:28] <asac> fta: use the broadband wizard please
[09:28] <asac> install libmbca0 ... remove your configured connections .... replug the key to make it pop up
[09:29] <fta> i don't remember. i think i just plugged the key in, it asks me to unlock the gnome keyring, enter the pin, and that's it
[09:29] <fta> asked
[09:29] <asac> fta: yes. seems you didnt install the recommends
[09:29] <asac> fta: we ship
[09:29] <asac> so you have the auto connection stuff
[09:29] <asac> which relies on good sim state
[09:29] <asac> use the broadband wizard
[09:30] <fta> my laptop is supposed to have everything installed. i only drop nm on my desktops & servers
[09:30] <asac> fta: yes, but seems you didnt install libmbca0
[09:31] <asac> even though its recommends of network-manager-gnome
[09:31] <asac> fta: install it please
[09:31] <asac> then remove all 3g configureations and use that ;)
[09:32] <asac> your issue is most likely because you have no username/password/APN information in the auto connection ... which then relies on the SIM. we checked reports of users that had the same symptoms ppp-wise and their problem was always a missing APN or username/password
[09:32] <asac> its a bit hard to explain why this might go away after some time, but dan said, that can easily happen
[09:33] <fta> i always update using apt-get, am i supposed to get recommends that way?
[09:34] <asac> fta: only if you never run plain upgrade
[09:34] <asac> upgrade deselects recommends
[09:34] <asac> thats a bug i think
[09:34] <asac> if you use apt-get you must always run dist-upgrade
[09:35] <asac> at least to get the recommends ;)
[09:40] <fta> done
[09:40] <fta> same
[09:40] <fta> pppd_timed_out()
[09:42] <gnomefreak> is there a timer that counts down?
[09:44] <asac> fta: the pppd_timed_out is a different issue than what you had yesterday
[09:45] <asac> gnomefreak: where?
[09:45] <fta> asac, it's there since i turned the 2000 into 4000 as you requested
[09:47] <gnomefreak> asac: in repos. i have only found timers that count up, example: the ones i found you set timer and it starts at 0 and neds at time you set. I'm looking for one ethat when you set it for say 1 hour it starts at 1hr and ends at time you set
[09:47] <asac> fta: hmm
[09:47] <asac> fta: that is completely unrelated to this
[09:47] <asac> fta: where did you add the delay?
[09:48] <asac> not in the udev rules?
[09:51] <fta> hm, i don't remember where it was
[09:52] <fta> oh, in /lib/udev/rules.d/77-nm-probe-modem-capabilities.rules
[09:53] <fta> that's what you asked, right?
[09:55] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/130096/
[10:09] <asac> fta: yeah. but that only influences the HAL vs. UDEV detection
[10:09] <asac> fta: please look in the connection
[10:09] <asac> is there a password/username set?
[10:10] <asac> fta: oh. and thats with novj* or did you remove those lines again?
[10:10] <asac> (remove them if they didnt help)
[10:17] <BUGabundo> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/329798
[10:17] <BUGabundo> seems to be fixed with lattests NM
[10:18] <asac> thanks
[10:18] <asac> just close it then. hopefully it was a driver fix
[10:19] <BUGabundo> dunno
[10:19] <BUGabundo> waiting for someone else to confirm it
[10:19] <BUGabundo> it can be just a fluke
[10:19] <BUGabundo> or even FON specific
[10:26] <asac> BUGabundo: is that a "a", "g" or "n" access point?
[10:29] <BUGabundo> G
[10:38] <BUGabundo> asac: fta: I have a few apport traces from FF3.1 crashs
[10:39] <BUGabundo> but apport will not file them cause they are PPA and not archive
[10:39] <BUGabundo> do you guys want me to pastebin / email them?
[11:02] <asac> BUGabundo: please retrace them locally
[11:02] <asac> and file the good stacktrace
[11:03] <asac> that comes out of it
[11:04] <BUGabundo> ah?
[11:05] <BUGabundo> retrace? how do I do that asac?
[11:05] <BUGabundo> apport-retrace maybe?
[11:06] <asac> BUGabundo: use apport-unpack
[11:06] <asac> run gdb against the coredump
[11:06] <asac> that gets out of it
[11:06] <asac> and get a backtrace that way
[11:06] <asac> sorry no time to explain in depth
[11:07] <asac> you need to install xulrunner ... -dbg and firefox -dbg also the dbgsym packages from elsewhere
[11:07] <BUGabundo> yeah ... I noticed
[11:07] <BUGabundo> let me get those
[11:07] <asac> -dbgsym for the depends of xulrunner
[11:09] <asac> BUGabundo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Obtain%20a%20backtrace%20from%20an%20apport%20crash%20report%20%28using%20gdb%29
[11:09] <asac> its a bit outdated but gives an idea
[11:09] <asac> outdated == the packages listed there are probably not right
[11:10] <BUGabundo> ok
[11:10] <BUGabundo> thanks
[11:10] <BUGabundo> I still think this is the usual one
[11:10] <BUGabundo> of opening a new window
[11:10] <BUGabundo> but it doesn't happen everytime
[11:12] <BUGabundo> 480MiBs of dbg packages... xiiii
[11:12] <asac> thats how it is ,)
[11:14] <BUGabundo> asac: should I change the command to force 3.1, and not 3.0 as default?
[11:20] <BUGabundo> any idea why instaling libc6-dbg remove libc6-dbgsym?
[11:23] <BUGabundo> No symbol table info available.
[11:23] <BUGabundo> humm
[11:24] <BUGabundo> what did I miss?
[11:24] <BUGabundo> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130114/
[11:56] <asac> BUGabundo: how did you run gdb?
[11:56] <BUGabundo> yes
[11:56] <BUGabundo> I run the command from the wiki
[11:56] <asac> BUGabundo: adapt it for firefox-3.1
[11:56] <BUGabundo> and just got  http://paste.ubuntu.com/130114/
[11:56] <BUGabundo> I did it too
[11:56] <BUGabundo> both ways
[11:56] <asac> install all the gdbs
[11:56] <asac> err -dbg
[11:56] <asac> and -dbgsym
[11:56] <BUGabundo> that too
[11:56] <BUGabundo> I think
[11:57] <BUGabundo> ahh ok
[11:57] <asac> for firefox-3.1 and xulrunner-1.9.1
[11:57] <BUGabundo> on #ubuntu-bugs seb said that (on some cases) both can't be installed
[11:57] <BUGabundo> at least for glibc6
[11:57] <BUGabundo> there are no dbgsym for 3.1 on the daily ppa
[12:02] <asac> BUGabundo: xulrunner and firefox have -dbg packages
[12:02] <asac> no -dbgsym
[12:03] <asac> we introduced that jsut for that reason
[12:10] <BUGabundo> yeah
[12:10] <BUGabundo> I know
[12:10] <BUGabundo> ppas don't build them
[12:10] <BUGabundo> but I have all of the dbg install
[12:10] <BUGabundo> I think
[12:10] <BUGabundo> wanna see a dkpg -l to be sure?
[12:12] <BUGabundo> asac: ^^^^^
[12:13] <asac> BUGabundo: dpkg -l firefox\*
[12:13] <asac> BUGabundo: dpkg -l xulrunner\*
[12:13] <asac> thats what i want to see
[12:13] <asac> and the exact command line you use
[12:20] <BUGabundo> asac: trysystem.teste@slavi.com.pt
[12:20] <BUGabundo> rofl
[12:20] <BUGabundo> wrong paste
[12:20] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130128/
[12:21] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130129/
[12:24] <asac> and the command?
[12:27] <BUGabundo> $ gdb -nx /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -core $TMPDIR/CoreDump -ex 'backtrace full' -ex 'thread apply all backtrace full' -ex 'quit' 2>&1 | tee gdb.log
[12:28] <BUGabundo> and $ gdb -nx /usr/lib/firefox-3.1b4pre/firefox-bin -core $TMPDIR/CoreDump -ex 'backtrace full' -ex 'thread apply all backtrace full' -ex 'quit' 2>&1 | tee gdb.log
[15:43] <fta2> james_w, i was used to have the build area printed when doing bzr bd --merge -e, useful to go work in build-area. now, it's gone. could you put it back please?
[15:45] <fta2> james_w, also, when working on fixing a tarball, i realized that bd no longer takes the tarball in the specified directory if there's one in the build-area dir, even if it's different, it's annoying :P
[15:45] <fta2> and confusing
[16:01] <fta2> BUGabundo, script -f gdb.log and firefox-3.x -g is what you need
[16:01] <BUGabundo> calm down! lol
[16:01] <BUGabundo> say again!?
[16:02] <BUGabundo> fta2?
[16:02] <fta2> script to capture everything: man script
[16:03] <fta2> and firefox-3.x -g to run it under gdb
[16:03] <fta2> while inside script
[16:18] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:18] <BUGabundo> fta2 I'll get back to you latter
[16:19] <BUGabundo> debuging cheese/v4l now
[16:21] <BUGabundo> fta3 it's the 3rd time today FF crashes on me
[16:22] <fta2> hm, 3.2 is very stable for me
[16:22] <fta2> both 32 and 64
[16:25] <BUGabundo> not today
[16:25] <BUGabundo> never have this happen so many times
[16:25] <BUGabundo> daily build
[16:25] <BUGabundo> no new addons
[16:25] <BUGabundo> that's why I wanted to provided the trace
[16:25] <BUGabundo> to see if its something new or known
[16:26] <BUGabundo> entire windows get closed
[16:26] <BUGabundo> and other stay working
[16:26] <BUGabundo> strange
[16:26] <BUGabundo> now that I have a few minutes, fta2
[16:26] <BUGabundo> can you tell me in baby steps
[16:26] <BUGabundo> what I need to retrace the apport crash for you?
[16:32] <BUGabundo> asac is gonna either kiss me or kill me!
[16:33] <BUGabundo> gonna start a fresh profile on 3.2 and start installing all my addon one by one
[16:33] <BUGabundo> and see if I can get read of some of this nasty bugs
[16:34] <asac> fta2: i actually asked james_w to add a way to print the used dirs
[16:34] <asac> fta2: e.g. gimme tarballs dir, gimme builds dir ... gimme resutls dir
[16:34] <asac> fta2: he wont fixed it :/
[16:37] <fta2> why?
[16:42]  * BUGabundo because he is a bad bad boy... hit the drums
[16:45] <fta2> i think i should roll up my own bd clone, with all i want in it :P
[16:54] <fta2> it's supposed to be an helper, not a burden
[16:57] <asac> fta2: 308276 ... i asked to reconsider now
[16:58] <fta2> bug 308276
[16:58] <asac> another comnet added
[16:58] <fta2> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23781828/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.firefox-3.1_3.1~b4~hg20090311r23764%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:59] <fta2> why only lpia/jaunty ?? and only 3.1?
[16:59] <fta2> asac, btw, prism?
[16:59] <asac> on my list.
[17:00] <asac> ok out to get some food et al
[17:07] <mbana> who builds firefox?  i've got problems with the fonts
[17:07] <mbana> it's ignoring my .fonts.conf
[17:57] <asac> mbana: ffox 3?
[18:23] <asac> i want nfs back
[18:23] <asac> plzzzz
[18:23] <asac> help
[19:08] <mbana_> asac: yes
[19:10] <asac> mbana_: can you test firefox-3.1 please
[19:11] <asac> mbana_: which parts of fonts.conf are not honoured? just hinting?
[19:11] <mbana_> the default firefox install on ubuntu 8.10
[19:11] <asac> mbana_: i know
[19:11] <mbana_> sorry
[19:11] <asac> ;)
[19:11] <mbana_> 3.0.6 rather
[19:12] <asac> mbana_: you should get latest security updates ;) ... 3.0.7 it should be
[19:12] <mbana_> http://pastebin.com/d334a7f86
[19:12] <asac> but thats independent
[19:12] <mbana_> ignores that
[19:12] <mbana_> well, it ignores Arial and Helvetica*
[19:13] <mbana_> entire file; http://pastebin.com/d5a286f45
[19:13] <mbana_> try it yourself
[19:13] <asac> mbana_: ls /etc/fonts/conf.d please
[19:13] <asac> mbana_: running gnome or what?
[19:14] <mbana_> http://pastebin.com/d18ab9cbe
[19:14] <mbana_> yes
[19:14] <mbana_> i installed kde briefly but i got rid of it
[19:15] <mbana_> it's been like this ever since the install
[19:15] <asac> mbana_: i think it doesnt use your fontconfig because it uses the gnome settings
[19:15] <asac> mbana_: check preferences -> appearence -> fonts
[19:15] <mbana_> firefox?
[19:15] <mbana_> but shouldn't it also look at .fonts.conf?
[19:16] <asac> mbana_: well. there is a bug that all gtk/gnome apps dont honour fontconfig because gnome forces its settings upon it
[19:16] <mbana_> see the problem is; some fonts shouldn't be fully hinted, such as the MS fonts.  they need to be hinted slightly
[19:16] <asac> mbana_: firefox-3.1 honours fontconfig and ignores gnome
[19:16] <asac> (which is also considered a bug)
[19:16] <mbana_> haha
[19:16] <asac> mbana_: true. and its on my agenda to get the right fix for 9.10
[19:17] <mbana_> how do i get the one that honours fontconfig?
[19:17] <asac> mbana_: the gnome font stuff is really amazing. i never dived into fonts until folks complained that firefox 3.1 renders badly (because it used our fontconfig defaults suddenly)
[19:17] <asac> mbana_: we currently only have dailies for firefox 3.1 - its still not final
[19:17] <asac> mbana_: its quite safe to use ... as it uses a copy of your profile
[19:17] <mbana_> ok, do you have instructions for compiling FF?
[19:17] <asac> mbana_: in jaunty we have firefox-3.1 package
[19:18] <asac> mbana_: i would suggest to use our dailies. otherwise build xulrunner-1.9.1 and firefox-3.1 from jaunty
[19:18] <asac> on intrepid
[19:18] <asac> or wait
[19:18] <asac> fta: do you have milestone builds in your ppa still?
[19:18] <asac> for intrepid/hardy?`
[19:18] <mbana_> hold on; are you saying i should use 3.1 from backports?
[19:18] <asac> mbana_: no its not in backports. ubuntu mozillateam runs their own archives
[19:19] <asac> at least i think its not in backports ;)
[19:19] <mbana_> Version 3.0.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1: is the latest
[19:19] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:19] <asac> there is 3.1 daily and even 3.2 (trunk)
[19:19] <asac> 3.1 is more or less at beta state
[19:19] <asac> so should be quite bug free
[19:19] <asac> extensions might not work
[19:20] <asac> mbana_: our packages allow you to run both (3.0 and 3.1) in parallel
[19:20] <asac> without risking to trash your 3.0 profile
[19:20] <mbana_> ok i'll give it a try
[19:20] <asac> so we do a copy of your 3.0 profile on first start of 3.1 and when 3.1 becomes default we will ask you which profile you want to continue to use
[19:21] <asac> mbana_: yeah. just check if the fontstuff works better
[19:21] <asac> mbana_: whether you iuse it later or not is your decision ;)
[19:21] <asac> i even run 3.2 dailies here
[19:21] <asac> ;)
[19:21] <asac> and issuse are quite rare
[19:22] <asac> mbana_: also if there are regressions in 3.1 over 3.0, we want to know
[19:22] <asac> thats why we provide such builds: get testing and get stuff fixed so that 3.1 final is the best firefox release ever
[19:30] <mbana_> http://pastebin.com/d3ea296a6
[19:30] <mbana_> never had that before
[19:31] <mbana_> imported the keys
[19:31] <asac> mbana_: those should be in there
[19:31] <asac> mbana_: if you add the archive to your sources.list and run apt-get install it should work
[19:31] <mbana_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[19:31] <asac> mbana_: err. you are on intrepid ;)
[19:31] <mbana_> i added that
[19:31] <mbana_> no ... i thought
[19:31] <asac> mbana_: on the ppa page there is a combobox
[19:31] <mbana_> ah crap
[19:31] <mbana_> thanks
[19:32] <asac> mbana_: lsb_release -a
[19:32] <asac> that will tell you what you have ;)
[19:32] <asac> mbana_: welcome
[19:33] <mbana_> should i close firefox?
[19:33] <asac> mbana_: for the very first start that might make sense
[19:33] <asac> mbana_: otherwise you dont need to
[19:34] <asac> of course depends on the amount of mem available
[19:34] <asac> ;)
[19:35] <asac> mbana_: so maybe you dont have any subpixel rendering except for the stuff you have in your .fonts.conf
[19:35] <asac> mbana_: problem is that your config is configured to use no-subpixel
[19:35] <mbana_> no i've got it enabled in gnome, it's just that the MS fonts need special care
[19:35] <asac> at best run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config once and select the topmost everywhere
[19:35] <asac> mbana_: well. firefox doesnt honour the stuff gnome says in 3.1
[19:35] <asac> mbana_: so it takes your default conf
[19:36] <asac> mbana_: which currently is "no-subpixel" + subpixel for the stuff in your fonts.conf
[19:36] <asac> mbana_: but thats really just because your fontconfig-config got stuck at some point at a bad default. we will fix that in fontconfig soon
[19:37] <asac> mbana_: the problem is the 10-no-subpixel.conf in http://pastebin.com/d18ab9cbe
[19:37] <asac> mbana_: you can remove that manually or run the dpkg-reconfigure from above
[19:39] <mbana_> that's reversible right?
[19:39] <asac> mbana_: the dpkg-reconfigure?
[19:39] <mbana_> yes
[19:39] <asac> mbana_: well. it touches 3 files in the confs.d directory
[19:39] <asac> mbana_: if you select the topmost its what you always want
[19:39] <asac> mbana_: your current state is best described in "trapped in some old state" ;)
[19:40] <asac> mbana_: reverting is only possible by selecting the same values you now have there ... but doing so will revert
[19:40] <asac> mbana_: otherwise just move the 10-no-subpixel.conf away
[19:41] <asac> mbana_: actually move all the 10-* links away if yo do that manually. all those will die anyway
[19:41] <asac> mbana_: if you see problems in other apps because of that let me know
[19:41] <mbana_> http://pastebin.com/de9cbc86
[19:41] <asac> i plan to remove them anyway ;)
[19:41] <mbana_> after the run
[19:42] <asac> mbana_: yeah right. the other 10-* things are hard installed (bad!) ... removing that would help me to debug if there is collateral damage ;)
[19:42] <asac> i wouldnt expect it to make a difference. all gtk apps use the gnome settings anyway
[19:43] <asac> everything else will do the right thing depending on monitor and will use your fonts.conf for tweakage
[19:43] <asac> unfortunately gtk is used almost everywhere in gnome. so firefox-3.1 is probably the only place to verify that
[19:46] <mbana_> is a restart needed after i change .fonts.conf?
[19:47] <asac> mbana_: of firefox-3.1?
[19:47] <mbana_> yes
[19:47] <asac> mbana_: zooming in and out does the trick for me
[19:47] <asac> gtk apps (when gtk is fixed) just update instantly
[19:47] <asac> but i dont have the fixed gtk uploaded somewhere
[19:47] <mbana_> http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Meet+Hudson check this out
[19:48] <mbana_> i'll show you my screen
[19:49] <mbana_> http://yfrog.com/0mscreenshotmeethudsonhudp
[19:49] <mbana_> look at the fonts on the headlines etc
[19:49] <mbana_> perfect cris[
[19:49] <mbana_> crisp
[19:49] <asac> mbana_: so the vision is that once we have fixed the gtk/fontconfig mess, we will tweak individual fonts and ship sane default config for them in the respective font packages ;)
[19:49] <jneves> asac: which files should I start with for a pt-PT translation of ubufox?
[19:49] <asac> jneves: copy the pt-PT tree and translate all
[19:50] <asac> jneves: otherwise just work through file by file
[19:50] <asac> jneves: you can test by building the xpi using sh build.sh
[19:50] <asac> and install it through firefox
[19:50] <jneves> asac: ok - regarding the Tranduzir vs Traduzir in pt-BR - do you need a patch?
[19:51] <asac> mbana_: what issues do you see?
[19:52] <mbana_> how are the fonts on your machie
[19:53] <mbana_> i don't think that anti-aliased
[19:53] <mbana_> it's Arial i believe
[19:53] <mbana_> or Helvetica
[19:54] <asac> let me check something
[19:55] <mbana_>  <match target="pattern" name="family" >
[19:55] <mbana_>   <test name="family" qual="any" >
[19:55] <mbana_>    <string>Arial</string>
[19:55] <mbana_>   </test>
[19:55] <mbana_>   <edit mode="assign" name="family" >
[19:55] <mbana_>    <!-- Other choices - Andale Mono, Courier New, Luxi Mono, Bitstream Vera Sans Mono -->
[19:55] <mbana_>    <string>Tahoma</string>
[19:55] <mbana_>   </edit>
[19:55] <mbana_>  </match>
[19:55] <mbana_> that's also ignored
[19:55] <mbana_> it works fine in gedit
[19:55] <mbana_> i'll take a snapshot of the two side-by-side
[19:56] <mbana_> it replaces Arial with Tahoma
[19:56] <asac> mbana_: are those ttf fonts?
[19:56] <mbana_> for sure
[19:56] <asac> mbana_: i am not really sure. i dont use windows fonts
[19:57] <asac> mbana_: ok so autohinting makes sense
[19:57] <asac> mbana_: hmm
[19:57] <asac> mbana_: here it reads: "for bitstream vera and most microsoft fonts you should native hinting" (e.g. not autohinting)
[19:58] <asac> mbana_: so remove the autohint stuff from your fonts.conf
[19:58] <mbana_>   <edit mode="assign" name="autohint" >
[19:58] <mbana_>    <bool>false</bool>
[19:58] <mbana_>   </edit>
[19:58] <asac> mbana_: yes. the one you pasted had true
[19:58] <mbana_> do you have a site of-hand that uses Arial
[19:58] <asac> mbana_: just remove it completely
[19:58] <mbana_> ok i'll try again
[20:00] <asac> mbana_: also you shouldnt need the rgba thing. thats autodetected from monitor
[20:00] <asac> mbana_: same for antialias i would think and hinting. so just hintslight
[20:01] <asac> as hintstyle is thing you want to change for the fonts in question, right?
[20:04] <mbana_> do you know of a site using Arial
[20:04] <asac> no clue ;)
[20:05] <mbana_> about:config doesn't have an anti aliasing options does it?
[20:05] <asac> mbana_: no
[20:05] <asac> mbana_: so now there is no antialiasing?
[20:05] <mbana_> my font config must be a mess
[20:06] <mbana_> too much stuff
[20:06] <asac> mbana_: what is "your font config"?
[20:06] <asac> i would think its just .fonts.conf
[20:06] <mbana_> .fonts.confg
[20:06] <mbana_> conf
[20:06] <asac> mbana_: how does it look now?
[20:07] <mbana_> this is best illustrated via an example
[20:07] <mbana_> it's pointless for me to explain
[20:07] <mbana_> because the difference is huge
[20:07] <mbana_> one sec
[20:08] <mbana_> ok i tihnk i got one
[20:08] <mbana_> oh god
[20:08] <mbana_> it's working now
[20:09] <mbana_> my eyes :)
[20:09] <mbana_> wannan see the differnece?
[20:10] <asac> mbana_: hehe
[20:10] <asac> mbana_: show
[20:10] <asac> mbana_: also post your fonts.conf please
[20:11] <mbana_> http://yfrog.com/7escreenshotop
[20:11] <asac> mbana_: if they restrict stuff properly for only the affected fonts, please file a bug against fontconfig-config so we can consider that when fixing the font mess
[20:11] <mbana_> brb
[20:12] <mbana_> thanks
[20:12] <mbana_> hold on
[20:12] <asac> mbana_: so 3.1 is good and 3.0 is bad in that screen?
[20:13] <asac> mbana_: please subscribe me explitily to the fontconfig bug
[20:13] <asac> my nick is asac too in launchpad
[20:17] <mbana_> asac: yes
[20:17] <mbana_> i love the blur effect
[20:18] <mbana_> asac: http://pastebin.com/d1f4291b1.  but i'm still modifying it
[20:19] <asac> mbana_: you can also test that stuff with pango-view i would think (use cairo backend)
[20:19] <asac> mbana_: e.g. if you want to test specific font
[20:19] <jneves_> asac: pt-PT translation available at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubufox/+bug/341931
[20:19] <asac> specific size etc
[20:19] <asac> mbana_: i am mostly interested in getting good per-font tweaks
[20:20] <asac> but i guess you understood ;)
[20:22] <asac> mbana_: maybe also depending on the size
[20:22] <asac> mbana_: not only for ms fonts, but also for exotic fonts that are crappy on their own ;)
[20:23] <asac> like japanese stuff and so on
[20:30] <mbana_> how do i set the font size in pango
[20:35] <asac> mbana_: hmm.
[20:36] <asac> mbana_: pango-view -t "Blueprints" --font="sans-serif 13.3333px" --backend=cairo
[20:36] <asac> mbana_: or pango-view -t "Blueprints" --font="sans-serif 13.3333px" --backend=xft
[20:36] <asac> both should more or less match i would hope
[20:43] <mbana_> cool thanks a lot
[20:45] <asac> mbana_: i could. but i dont even know in which state my fontconfig is currently ;)
[20:52] <asac> mbana_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/wiki.png
[20:52] <asac> not sure why mind is serif ;)
[20:52] <mbana_> http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Meet+Hudson
[20:53] <asac> mbana_: thats serif here too
[20:53] <asac> mbana_: where did you select sans serif?
[20:53] <asac> ;)
[20:55] <asac> mbana_: ok i had serif for proportional
[20:55] <mbana_> never mind
[20:55] <mbana_> it's fine
[20:55] <mbana_> thanks
[20:56] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/wiki.png
[20:56] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/hudson.png
[20:56] <asac> i actually hate serif. so happy that i fixed that now ;)
[20:56] <asac> the "M" is strange
[20:57] <mbana_> have you heard of whiptail before?
[20:57] <asac> mbana_: its now gone
[20:58] <asac> i allowed the website to select their own fonts
[20:58] <asac> without that i get
[20:59] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/hudson1.png
[20:59] <asac> that looks good .... not allowing is default. i just accidentially allowed that
[20:59] <asac> while trying to find the serif reason ;)
[20:59] <mbana_> ok brb
[20:59] <mbana_> hold on please
[20:59] <mbana_> gotta go
[20:59] <mbana_> thanks for tghe help
[21:03] <axiak> hey! what's the ETA to having beta 3 in your ppa, fta? :)
[21:03] <asac> axiak: use the -daily archive ;)
[21:03] <axiak> ah, okay
[21:03] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[21:03] <axiak> I knew it woud be quick
[21:03] <axiak> yeah
[21:03] <axiak> i just found it
[21:03] <asac> axiak: its alreawdy ahead
[21:04] <axiak> cool.
[21:04] <axiak> installing now
[21:04] <asac> axiak: but its actually what we want preview users to use
[21:04] <asac> axiak: we get most value out of instant complains when something break
[21:04] <axiak> yeah
[21:04] <asac> also you never see stuff that are already fixed upstream
[21:04] <axiak> well I'll be sure to file stuff that seems really broken then
[21:04] <asac> and thanks to mozilla doing a great stuff on checkin quality there are not many breaks
[21:04] <axiak> yeah
[21:04] <asac> axiak: from -daily you can check here and complain
[21:05] <asac> we will give directions on what next ;)
[21:05] <axiak> btw, I'm so far really impressed by chromium as well :)
[21:05] <axiak> (I know it's not the same project, but I just tried it out today as well)
[21:05] <asac> axiak: thats fta ;) ... great work. i havent checked it on 32bits recently
[21:05] <asac> adm64 is still a bit messy
[21:05] <axiak> yeah
[21:06] <axiak> I remember peering into the code on it a few months back
[21:06] <axiak> amd64 will take a bit of work...
[21:06] <asac> axiak: well. actually i refer to the 32bit amd64 packages that fta has come up with
[21:06] <axiak> yeah
[21:06] <asac> axiak: they try to ship 32bits for amd64
[21:06] <axiak> yeah I understand
[21:09] <axiak> huh...
[21:09] <axiak> "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b4pre and 1.9.1b4pre."
[21:09] <asac> axiak: you should get a new xulrunner-1.9
[21:09] <asac> err 1.9.1
[21:10] <axiak> k
[21:10] <asac> axiak: didnt you do dist-upgrade?
[21:10] <axiak> no I haven't
[21:10] <asac> axiak: you should just use that ;) ... we dont really tweak depends for daily
[21:10] <asac> so tracking is best done with dist-upgrade
[21:10] <axiak> last time I did it without being ready bad things happened
[21:10] <axiak> but I won't change the dist this time so I should be fine
[21:10] <asac> axiak: yes. just be sure to look what gets removed
[21:10] <asac> before you hit enter
[21:10] <axiak> yep
[21:11] <axiak> just xulrunner...
[21:11] <axiak> no glibc :)
[21:11] <asac> yes. thats good to ensure
[21:11] <asac> but xulrunner shouldnt get removed too usually
[21:11] <asac> if it gets removed something might be wrong ;)
[21:11] <axiak> k
[21:11] <axiak> well all set then :)
[21:12] <asac> axiak: if you dont run jaunty, dist-upgrade should be quite safe
[21:12] <axiak> is the version supposed to be 3.1b4pre?
[21:12] <asac> axiak: yes. means you are ahead of b3 ;)
[21:12] <asac> sorry for that
[21:12] <axiak> yeah that makes sense
[21:12] <axiak> a little confusing but happens elsewhere in software
[21:12] <axiak> (the "pre")
[21:13] <asac> the versioning scheme is trimmed for humans not computers ;)
[21:13] <axiak> yeah
[21:13] <asac> but there are rules ;)
[21:23] <fta> back
[21:34] <axiak> do you guys get occasional seg faults in the new firefox beta?
[21:34] <axiak> (on 32-bit)
[21:35] <fta> with 3.2, never, except the crash on exit (visible when you click on a link in another app calling ff, or when you close ff)
[21:37] <axiak> hmm
[21:37] <axiak> i've been noticing it happens a couple times
[21:37] <asac> axiak: extensions?
[21:37] <fta> if it crashes for you on something else, please install the ff & xul -dbg, run ff with -g, once it crashes, capture a backtrace, then we can see what it is
[21:37] <asac> axiak: are you running in "ignore version stuff" mode?
[21:37] <axiak> I think under certain conditions when I use the 3rd mouse button to close a tab
[21:37] <asac> i do that all the time. but i should use 3.1 more frequently i guess
[21:37] <asac> (also having 3.2 as main thing)
[21:37] <asac> axiak: do you still see that in latest daily?
[21:38] <asac> axiak: can you get a backtrace?
[21:38] <axiak> I had extensions installed for 3, but they don't work in the latest
[21:38] <axiak> I'm going to enable the debug
[21:38] <axiak> and if it happens again I'll come in here with a backtrace :)
[21:38] <asac> axiak: install firefox-3.1-dbg and xulrunner-1.9-dbg
[21:38] <axiak> yep
[21:38] <asac> the run firefox in gdb
[21:38] <asac> if it crashes give us backtrace
[21:38] <asac> we want to see ;)
[21:38] <asac> axiak: xulrunner-1.9.1-dbg obviously ;)
[21:38] <axiak> (Yeah)
[21:39] <asac> axiak: i think plugins dont get disabled by version
[21:39] <axiak> hmm
[21:39] <asac> axiak: so you could have a plugin problem (like flash)
[21:40] <axiak> oh sorry I meant add-ons
[21:40] <asac> axiak: crashing on close is kind of typical for bad plugins taht keep windows open
[21:40] <axiak> the plugins are installed...could be that
[21:40] <asac> axiak: yeah. i asked for extensions first ;)
[21:40] <axiak> yeah
[21:40] <asac> but since you said you dont have them enabled i now would think its plugins
[21:40] <asac> (i just closed 200 tabs back and forth in 3.1 without a problem
[21:40] <asac> )
[21:40] <axiak> yeah
[21:40] <axiak> and it doesn't usually happen
[21:40] <axiak> let me see if it happens when I close a flash-enabled site
[21:41] <axiak> oh... also flash fullscreen kills firefox
[21:42] <asac> axiak: which flash are you using?
[21:42] <axiak> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22
[21:42] <asac> are you on adm64?
[21:42] <axiak> nope
[21:44] <asac> axiak: my nspluginwrapper r22 build works
[21:44] <asac> on youube at least i can view full
[21:48] <axiak> munmap_chunk failed
[21:48] <axiak> saving traceback...
[21:52] <axiak> http://pastebin.com/m4cebbda6
[21:53] <asac> hmm ... not really much info
[21:53] <axiak> yeah
[21:53] <axiak> well above that it's just the threads opening and closing
[21:53] <axiak> then it closes, gets an munmap failure
[21:53] <axiak> and kills everything
[21:54] <axiak> brb
[21:55] <axiak> back
[22:07] <asac> axiak: try to remove the mstcorefonts
[22:08] <asac> i dont think its the problem
[22:08] <asac> but still worht a look
[22:08] <axiak> k
[22:08] <asac> axiak: and obviously disabling flash
[22:08] <axiak> oh this one is the fullscreen one
[22:08] <axiak> I haven't hit the other one yet...
[22:08] <asac> ah
[22:08] <asac> ok
[22:09] <asac> fullscreen ... still could be fonts, but most likely its driver
[22:09] <asac> axiak: fglrx/nvidia?
[22:09] <asac> try free alternatives
[22:09] <axiak> nvidia .. yeah
[22:09] <asac> ati/nv
[22:09] <axiak> though doesn't break in ff 3
[22:09] <asac> you never know ;)
[22:10] <asac> i would think its fonts
[22:10] <asac> well. think is a bit "strong" ... guts feeling ;)
[22:11] <asac> axiak: also theme is food for weird crashes. for instance the gtkqt engine
[22:11] <asac> is known to cause pain. but that should also happen on ffox 3 i guess
[22:35] <asac> fta:  are there any plans to split up the chromium svn repo into sensible pieces?
[22:35] <fta> i added support for system libs a while ago, it's committed upstream, but it's creating regressions
[22:36] <fta> the effort is to brings features to parity with windows, not packaging, even less system libs
[22:36] <fta> -s
[22:37] <fta> in short, contributions are welcome, upstream is very friendly even if it's about packaging
[22:37] <asac> fta: so what size have the js and the "main" chromium subtree? also what size has webkit subtree?
[22:38] <fta> let me look
[22:51] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chromium1.png
[22:51] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chromium2.png
[22:51] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chromium3.png
[23:01] <asac> webkit is huzge
[23:01] <asac> fta: did you managfe to build with system webkit? probably not right?
[23:02] <fta> i didn't try, it's tricky, i'm not sure how to handle the webkit port (i.e. the interface written by upstream between chromium and webkit)
[23:04] <fta> ehh?? 100MB for lpia?? http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/s/songbird/
[23:04] <asac> fta: is that port in the webkit/ dir?`
[23:04] <asac> the middle-layer
[23:06] <fta> d'oh! -rw-r--r-- root/root 428975504 2009-03-12 22:57 ./usr/lib/songbird/xulrunner/libxul.so
[23:06] <fta> in the lpia deb
[23:06] <fta> 430M ?
[23:06] <asac> lol
[23:07] <asac> i guess songbird has a sever nih syndrom
[23:07] <asac> and reinvented a manual buildsystem that cannot cope with unknown archs ;)
[23:07] <fta> that's just jaunty
[23:07] <fta> intrepid and hardy are ~12MB total
[23:08] <asac> scary
[23:08] <asac> fta: do we have the same problem with jaunty xul?
[23:08] <fta> no
[23:09] <asac> looks good
[23:09] <asac> fta: hit the "retry" button ;)
[23:10] <fta> is it possible for a successful build?
[23:11] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa/+build/902452
[23:11] <fta> apparently not
[23:11] <asac> "... .stabn: description field '.....' too big, try a different debug format
[23:11] <asac> sounds suspicious
[23:14]  * asac enables jit for chrome
[23:14] <asac> damn. nopw i get startup hickups
[23:15] <asac> hmm only from panel
[23:15] <asac> not from cmdline
[23:15] <asac> fta: do you use chrome jit too? seems to be quite stable
[23:16] <fta> nope, i disabled it a while ago
[23:16] <fta> in fact, i had both disabled
[23:16] <asac> i hate this startup shit
[23:16] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130389/
[23:17] <asac> i get that now like enlessly when starting from panel quick launch
[23:17] <asac> i always gert that for 30 seconds or so on my laptop
[23:17] <asac> but hereit doesnt happen on command line
[23:17] <asac> thats odd
[23:19] <fta> who could have a clue for my lpia weirdness? pitti? doko?
[23:21] <asac> fta: retry. if it still happens check wehether those ".stabn" messages are happening elsewhere
[23:21] <asac> otherwise point doko at it
[23:21] <asac> also check what compile flags are used
[23:21] <asac> and give it to doko
[23:22] <asac> otherwise i would think the mobile team has to figure. they are the main driver for that port
[23:22] <asac> would be better if we could reproduce with something more official than sonbird though
[23:24] <fta> maybe songbird is usable on mobile too? :)  no idea what h/w the mobile team is targeting
[23:24] <asac> fta: dell mini is lpia
[23:24] <asac> fta: lpia is everything atom
[23:24] <fta> oh, so nc10 too?
[23:24] <asac> fta: now we also have arm which goes down to cell-phone form factors
[23:24] <asac> fta: you can also run i386 on atom processors
[23:25] <fta> i guess i should pay more attention to lpia then ;)
[23:25] <asac> lpia is basically i586 but with power consumption tweaks
[23:25] <asac> fta: yeah ;) ... if you download netbook remix or something its lpia by default
[23:26] <asac> so lpia orginated in the mobile team because MIDs that are small handhelds were the first devices using this atom stuff
[23:27] <asac> then atom ws built into bigger systems like netbooks
[23:27] <asac> so it basically just became a normal port
[23:27] <asac> which is directly dealt with by foundations team
[23:28] <asac> so hybrid
[23:28] <asac> i think the base is foundations team and the special distros for mid and special apps for touchscreen and so on are mobile team
[23:30] <asac> fta: anyway, i would really first check what debug flags songbird uses
[23:30] <asac> fta: if its reproducible they probably do something weird
[23:31] <asac> if it just happened today we should see it for dailies too tomorrow
[23:31] <fta> i build xul myself in sb
[23:32] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130395/
[23:33] <asac> fta: yeah. please test the "retry" button or something then
[23:33] <asac> i would hope its just system bustage
[23:35] <asac> fta: its -gstabs+
[23:35] <asac> not sure why that is used when linking libxul.so
[23:35] <asac> i would think its really songbird crap
[23:35] <asac> or we see that tomrrow everywhere ;)
[23:36] <asac> (if doko uploaded toolchain stuff and now it sinks to builders)
[23:36] <asac> fta: maybe grab the songbird tree for -gstabs+ ;)
[23:39] <asac> fta:  grep gstab configure.ac
[23:39] <asac>       GCC_COMPILER_FLAGS="$GCC_COMPILER_FLAGS -gstabs+ -O2"
[23:39] <asac>     # -gstabs+
[23:39] <asac>       GCC_COMPILER_FLAGS="$GCC_COMPILER_FLAGS -gstabs+ -Os"
[23:39] <asac> ;)
[23:40] <asac> patch that out
[23:40] <asac> go go go
[23:40] <asac> kill it
[23:40] <asac> ;)
[23:40] <asac> you can also file a bug against gcc of course ;)
[23:40] <asac> and show lpia size and compile messages
[23:40] <asac> but most likely thats not supported on lpia yet
[23:40] <asac> and configure should do some tests to check that
[23:41] <fta> iirc, it was there before, and it was fine
[23:42] <asac> fta: are there still build logs in jaunty with gstabs+?
[23:42] <asac> for songbird?
[23:43] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa/+index?field.name_filter=songbird&field.status_filter=any&field.series_filter=jaunty
[23:44] <fta> so http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20598360/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.songbird_1.0.0%2B0-0ubuntu1~fta6_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[23:44] <asac> yeah
[23:44] <asac> interesting
[23:45] <asac> fta: i would try a non gstabs build and if it fixes it we have at least a hint
[23:54] <Nafallo> g✁
[23:54] <asac> Nafallo: is that your fault?
[23:54] <asac> test
[23:55] <asac> Nafallo: what kind of - is that?
[23:55] <asac> ✁
[23:55] <Nafallo> don't even know what you guys are talking about :-P
[23:55] <asac> Nafallo: songbirds libxul.so just got 500M in size on jaunty lpia ;)
[23:55] <asac> #fail
[23:55] <asac> normal is 8M ;)
[23:56] <Nafallo> asac: well... stop sending with your mp3 collection when you upload? :-)
[23:56] <asac> -rw-r--r-- root/root 428975504 2009-03-12 22:57 ./usr/lib/songbird/xulrunner/libxul.so
[23:56] <asac> fta: ^^ dont do that ;)
[23:56] <fta> my collection is far bigger than that ;)
[23:57] <asac> using libxul.so for sharing warez just isnt right ;)
[23:58] <Nafallo> fta: aha! you just sent with the latest album your could find... got it :-P
[23:58] <Nafallo> probably Swedish dansband for all I know ;-)
[23:58] <asac> more likely a demo video ;)
[23:58] <asac> for the xul video tag
[23:58] <Nafallo> ah. and embedding it in the lib itself makes it faster! got it :-)
[23:59] <asac> heh
[23:59] <asac> yeah. it ships the most popular frames in the average video ;)
[23:59] <Nafallo> ehrm... why do we ship porn? :-P