[00:00] <Nafallo> LjL: well... chanserv didn't message me about it ;-)
[00:00] <LjL> Nafallo: i was just trying to say, it hasn't always been possible
[00:01] <Nafallo> nope. the usual I've seen is only one founder :-)
[00:02] <LjL> Nafallo: what's the difference between tycka and tänka?
[00:05] <Nafallo> damn. same word in English...
[00:05] <Nafallo> ehrm
[00:05] <LjL> might one be more like believe?
[00:05] <LjL> but then there's tro
[00:06] <Nafallo> tycka = have an opinion on something (think something about...), tänka = use your brain (think)
[00:07] <LjL> Nafallo: so, jag har tänkt om det du sa och jag tycker att det var sant?
[00:07] <Myrtti> Jag tycker om er alla ♥ 
[00:07] <Myrtti> älsklingar ♥ 
[00:07] <LjL> Nafallo: is that a case where she's use tycka?
[00:08]  * Myrtti goes back to hur grunting routine
[00:10] <LjL> Myrtti: kaffe och hat?
[00:11] <Myrtti> kaffen och sista dagen av detta förbannat projekt som skulle har slutat före jul.
[00:11] <Myrtti> förbannad, även
[00:11] <LjL> Myrtti: det kommer ju slutas imorgon!
[00:11] <LjL> eller hur.
[00:11] <Myrtti> om - jag - bara - kan - göra - den - förbannad - skripten - göra - som - JAG - VILL
[00:12] <Myrtti> och om jag har inte mer hardware fail idag...
[00:12] <LjL> Myrtti: ingenting vänligt går som jag vill. jag fattar säckert inte hur sakerna skulle gå som *du* vill.
[00:13] <Nafallo> jag har tänkt på det du sa och jag tycker att det är sant
[00:13] <LjL> Nafallo: and is tro stronger than tycka or vice versa?
[00:13] <LjL> (or what?)
[00:14] <Myrtti> näh
[00:14] <Nafallo> depends. it can be.
[00:14] <Nafallo> tro as in tro på gud or tro as in tro att saker fungerar.
[00:17] <LjL> Nafallo: i was thinking more of the latter. jag tror att min eeepc är död. jag tycker att min eeepc är död. skillnad?
[00:19] <Nafallo> LjL: the first one actually works in Swedish ;-)
[00:19] <Myrtti> yup
[00:19] <LjL> ah
[00:19] <Myrtti> there's a small nuance difference there ;-)
[00:19] <LjL> but why doesn't the second one work? it seems similar to "jag tycker att det var sant" to me
[00:20] <Nafallo> even that one sounds a bit... wrong, but I can't find a good way of saying it differently...
[00:20] <Myrtti> in my brain tycker is associated with positiveness
[00:21] <Nafallo> I think it was true?
[00:21] <LjL> so when would you definitely use tycka?
[00:21] <LjL> Myrtti: uhm, about that... i think i read on my grammar that "tycka OM", with the OM stressed, means you like something - but not without a stressed om...
[00:22] <LjL> Nafallo: that's what i meant to say yeah
[00:22] <Nafallo> "jag tror det var sant" later battre.
[00:22] <Nafallo> where in "jag tycker om blommor" I like flowers.
[00:23] <LjL> so "tycka att" never really quite works?
[00:23] <Nafallo> "jag tycker alla ska hängas" I think everyone should be hung
[00:23] <Myrtti> Nafallo: jag ska flyga till UK i måndag. Ska jag köpa dig ett RIKTIGT tangentbord?
[00:23] <Myrtti> :->
[00:23] <LjL> Nafallo: uhm, then either something you like, or something you think ought to happen - as opposed to something you believe to be true?
[00:24] <Nafallo> Myrtti: du far hitta pa en battre anledning att traffa mig. O:-)
[00:24] <Myrtti> kekek
[00:24] <LjL> Myrtti: he just refuses to use the accents...
[00:24] <Nafallo> LjL: yea. sounds about right.
[00:24] <Myrtti> jävla svenskar
[00:24] <Nafallo> Myrtti: en_GB > sv_SE mest.
[00:24] <Nafallo> \ sitter inte pa 7 osv...
[00:25] <LjL> Myrtti: yeah, it's almost like when i tried to understand the greeks writing in greeklish. except at least THEY had a reason for writing in greeklish, namely that UTF-8 wasn't quite widespread
[00:25] <LjL> can't properly look stuff up a dictionary, meh
[00:25] <LjL> Nafallo: which is funny, considering i'm italian and using a swedish layout because it works best.
[00:26] <LjL> Nafallo: (det är / som sitter på 7)
[00:26] <Myrtti> I couldn't even use anything else than fi/se keyboard
[00:26] <LjL> \ är AltGr++
[00:26] <Nafallo> huga
[00:26] <Myrtti> the keys are too hardcoded into my muscles
[00:27]  * Nafallo makes sweet love to his British keyboard
[00:27] <LjL> Myrtti: i switched from italian to swedish - survived
[00:27] <Myrtti> Nafallo: EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[00:27] <LjL> Myrtti: just don't touch it if he ever invites you to his place...
[00:27] <Myrtti> wasn't going to
[00:27] <Nafallo> lol
[00:27] <LjL> Myrtti: bring your own.
[00:27] <Nafallo> Myrtti: sa... nar kommer du?
[00:28] <LjL> Myrtti: although you might want to use a disposable USB cord...
[00:28] <Myrtti> att möta dig?
[00:28] <Nafallo> Myrtti: och nej. det var inte sexuellt menat.
[00:28] <LjL> ...
[00:28] <Nafallo> damn Swedish and their multiple meanings!
[00:28] <LjL> yeah!
[00:28] <Myrtti> jag vet inte. Jag vet inte ännu när jag ska till hemma heller...
[00:28] <LjL> Nafallo: i think she should bring her own mouse too, by the way.
[00:29] <Nafallo> LjL: INTE sexuellt menat damn you!
[00:29] <Nafallo> ;-)
[00:29] <LjL> Nafallo: oh, sorry. my mistake.
[00:29] <Myrtti> I think I'll stay close to Warboys and possibly, but hopefully not Glasgow
[00:29] <Nafallo> Myrtti: (/me larde LjL om moss for inte sa lange sen)
[00:29] <Nafallo> Myrtti: is that far from me?
[00:30] <Myrtti> Nafallo: Cambridgeshire
[00:30] <Myrtti> du vet ju var Glasgow är
[00:30] <Nafallo> sa mig inte mycket :-P
[00:30] <Myrtti> Nafallo: 45minuter from Stansted norrut
[00:30] <Nafallo> jag TROR mig veta var Glasgow ligger...
[00:30] <Nafallo> ah. later inte jatteilla.
[00:30] <LjL> Myrtti: glasgow is a hellhole.
[00:30] <Nafallo> typ... 2-3h :-P
[00:31] <Nafallo> om ans 2 forresten...
[00:31] <Myrtti> LjL: not really my option. If Duncan has to travel to Columbia for work, me in the middle of the damn fens without a car in a little village that doesn't even have a bloody ATM...
[00:32] <Nafallo> Cheshunt var bara en timme fran mig, och det ar halvvags till stansted.
[00:32] <Myrtti> a friend has invited me to stay at Glasgow if Duncan travels to Columbia
[00:32] <LjL> Myrtti: well at least they won't have all the "Glasgow voted capital of i don't remember what" posters all over the place by now.
[00:32] <LjL> those were annoying.
[00:33] <Myrtti> I should continue working
[00:33] <Myrtti> I think this script is almost done
[00:33] <LjL> JUST GIVE UP
[00:33] <Myrtti> no I wont
[00:33] <LjL> work is for losers.
[00:33] <Pici> NEVER GIVE UP
[00:33] <LjL> Pici: don't contradict me.
[00:33] <Nafallo> Myrtti: you should find a job while you're here! :-)
[00:34] <Myrtti> Nafallo: vaffö
[00:34] <LjL> fö att få penger?
[00:34] <Nafallo> LjL++
[00:34] <Myrtti> Nafallo: I've already talked about moving to UK with my superiours and they don't mind...
[00:34] <Nafallo> ah. distans?
[00:34] <Myrtti> just as long I'm not expecting a payrise to the same level with UK peeps, they're fine
[00:35] <Nafallo> hehe. you should totally look for a job or you'll starve! ;-)
[00:35] <Myrtti> I've not spent more than ten hours in our office in Helsinki during the whole year and a half I've worked for Nomovok
[00:35] <Myrtti> I'm doing distance eeeevery goddamned day
[00:36] <Myrtti> work commute is 3m physical and $length of copper
[00:37] <Nafallo> Myrtti: (and when in the UK) fibre!
[00:38] <Myrtti> not in warboys...
[00:38] <LjL> Nafallo: nah she won't starve, you're stuck to the old days. now we use pounds as toilet paper.
[00:38] <Seeker`> LjL: pound coins?
[00:38] <LjL> Seeker`: that only some of us.
[01:20] <Myrtti> right
[01:20] <Myrtti> this is the best I can do
[01:24] <Myrtti> nini peeps
[01:24] <Pici> goodnight
[01:34] <jdong> Pici: in the club where she work
[01:35] <jdong> wow. completely wrong channel.
[01:35] <jdong> disregard...
[01:37] <LjL> jdong: stop disclosing such information about Myrtti.
[01:38] <jdong> lol
[01:38] <jdong> laggy wifi FTL.
[01:39] <jdong> where's my rainbow-color-coded irssi?
[01:39] <jdong> (oh boy, that statement probably will be used against me)
[01:44] <LjjjL> uhm.
[01:44] <LjjjL> weird netsplit, or just me?
[01:44] <eKZDskZS> ok now what the fuck just happened
[01:50] <LjL> anyone has a users count before the split?
[01:50] <LjL> for #ubuntu i mean
[01:51] <LjL> be prepared for a false mass join call from the bots at any rate
[02:35] <LjL> ...
[02:35] <LjL> !no > rww    (rww, see the private message from ubottu)
[02:39] <__mikem> In regard to the request to change o4o to include baring the discussion of mental health, I think in light of what just happened with meoblast, its probably a good idea
[02:41] <LjL> in my opinion, anything may result in flamewars if people act like idiots. i don't think "mental health" per se a "dangerous" topic.
[02:41] <LjL> i wasn't really watching, other ops weren't watching, it escalated
[02:42] <LjL> but by your token we'd end up barring discussions on pets methinks
[02:42] <__mikem> yes, but criticizing people with commonly accepted mental illnesses is a bit much
[02:42] <LjL> could be, possibly
[02:42] <LjL> though i know the fellow who did that, and i know his reasoning behind that
[02:43] <__mikem> did what now?
[02:43] <LjL> what's funniest is you might even embrace the reasoning (i might be wrong...)
[02:43] <LjL> anyway
[02:43] <LjL> if i say that "depression doesn't exist" in -offtopic
[02:43] <LjL> well, i wouldn't be surprised if people considered me an idiot
[02:44] <LjL> but i wouldn't think i'm worth a ban, either
[02:44] <LjL> so... i'll leave it to the other ops to judge this.
[02:44] <__mikem> The problem is, the issue with offending people must be taken into consideration
[02:44] <__mikem> There are plenty of other groups (specifically minorities) that are protected from being exposed to stuff that might offend them
[02:45] <LjL> there are people who find having house pets a grave insult to the animals' freedom.
[02:45] <LjL> but i'm not banning discussion on pets.
[02:46] <__mikem> lets see what Amaranth thinks
[02:46] <Amaranth> __mikem: you got banned?
[02:46] <__mikem> no
[02:46] <Amaranth> @login
[02:46] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[02:46] <tritium> __mikem: let's not take political correctness to irrational extremes
[02:46] <Amaranth> What's up?
[02:47] <__mikem> Amaranth: well, meoblast got very offended when someone said that "asperger syndrome was a false desease"
[02:47] <__mikem> meoblast blew up at the guy and ended up getting himself banned for flagerent profanity
[02:48] <__mikem> now, I figured that in order to prevent similar situations from happening in the future, there should be a rule that prevents people from making such statements. 
[02:48] <Amaranth> uh, yeah, no
[02:48] <tritium> __mikem: no way
[02:48] <__mikem> Oh well
[02:48] <LjL> it's the same reason - by the way - why the other guy earlier gave us  !o4o =~ /suicide/mental health, suicide/
[02:49] <tritium> Debate happens all the time.  You can't stifle debate just so as not to risk offending someone.
[02:49] <LjL> and as i said, no op was around
[02:49] <LjL> when no op is around, shit will just eventually happen
[02:49] <LjL> no matter how restrictive you make the rules
[02:49] <__mikem> tritium: the existance of Asperger Syndrome is not up for debate. Its accepted by the medical profession, and as a person who has it, I can tell you first hand that its real
[02:50] <__mikem> but this isn't really about me
[02:50] <__mikem> Its up to you guys
[02:50] <__mikem> but I think it would be a good idea
[02:50] <tritium> __mikem: you also can't prevent false statements from being made
[02:50] <__mikem> tritium: well, for instance, if i said "all people on wellfare are lazy and just don't want to work for a living" I would probably be kicked instantly
[02:50] <LjL> and false statements being made doesn't justify saying "fuck" three times in a row, including to an op in PM
[02:50] <__mikem> LjL: yes
[02:50] <LjL> although i think no one is arguing that
[02:51] <__mikem> Again, Its up to your guys. This is your ship, you run it however you feel is best. Its just my oppinion
[02:51] <LjL> __mikem: well as i said to you already - i'll put it on record - i wouldn't kick you for such a statement
[02:51] <__mikem> LjL: thanks :)
[02:51] <tritium> Not in offtopic, certainly
[02:52] <__mikem> anyway, thats all I really had on my mind
[02:52] <LjL> of course, then meh
[02:52] <__mikem> Thanks for hearing me out :)
[02:52] <LjL> if you just go on
[02:52] <LjL> join the channel your first time
[02:52] <LjL> as a greeting, you say "all people on welfare etc"
[02:52] <LjL> then a minute later, "aspergers doesn't exist"
[02:52] <LjL> eventually you're going out
[02:56] <LjL> anyway... fair is fair
[02:57] <Flannel> Eh?
[02:57] <Flannel> Well, what a lively debate.
[02:57] <tritium> What's fair?  Nothing in life...
[02:57] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops __mikem and rww - proposals put forwards for changes to the #ubuntu-offtopic rules. I personally disagree.
[02:57] <LjL> tritium: the above is fair.
[02:57] <tritium> LjL: which part?
[02:58] <LjL> tritium: the @mark
[02:59] <LjL> also, the fact i actively encouraged them to bring it to here
[02:59] <LjL> though i disagree
[03:00] <Flannel> This is the proper place for it.
[03:00] <Flannel> Or, a proper place for it, at least.
[03:01] <LjL> Flannel: i meant here rather than in my PM.
[03:01] <tritium> Good evening, Flannel.
[03:01] <Flannel> Howdy tritium
[03:02] <Flannel> Hows it going?
[03:02] <tritium> Not bad, thanks.  You?
[03:02] <tritium> Where's nickrud these days?
[03:03] <Flannel> Doing fine.  Uh, no idea. Although, I did see him in meatspace two weeks ago ;)
[03:03] <tritium> :)
[03:17] <rww> Hey everyone. I suspect I'm a little late to the party on this one (had to step out for a few minutes), but I've been thinking about !o4o a little and would appreciate it if I could bounce some questions off you.
[03:19] <rww> I submitted an !o4o factoid change a little while ago, as you know, partially because of the whole meoblast001 thing, and because of a couple of interactions I've had in the past in -ot that didn't go particularly well either. I assume the general consensus on that change was that banning the topic because it can cause flames is a little over the top, right?
[03:21] <rww> That's what I was thinking, and LjL said something similar in PM, anyway. So then I was looking over !o4o and noticed that most of the other topics on there (with the exception of a couple like questionably-legal stuff, suicide, and drugs), appear to be there mainly because talking about them tends to end up in flaming...
[03:24] <rww> Iono, it just seemed a little confusing to me, expecially considered that when -ot occasionally discusses religion, poltics, etc. and it doesn't end up in flames, the ops don't do anything about it :/
[03:25] <rww> So the actual question, I guess, would be: are the topics in !o4o (with the exception of those with legal implications) actually disallowed in offtopic, or are the arguments that usually ensue disallowed?
[04:02] <rww> Heh. Okay, well I have to go out for a while, and I know I'm not supposed to idle in here, so I'll /part now.
[05:45] <Myrtti> hum.
[05:45] <Myrtti> that's one weird backlog
[05:48] <bazhang> yep
[05:48] <bazhang> going to remove metbsd
[05:48] <bazhang> he's been trolling for far too long
[05:48] <tritium> I just did.
[05:48] <bazhang> k
[05:49] <Flannel> blah.  That's what I get for stepping out for a few minutes for nourishment.
[05:49] <bazhang> same here :)
[05:49] <tritium> Are you properly nourished?
[05:49]  * Flannel is hungry, needs food badly.
[05:49] <Flannel> I have aquired suitable nourishment, yes.
[05:50] <tritium> metbsd is in #archlinux now.  Looks like another arch troll.
[05:51]  * Myrtti has coffee
[05:53] <tritium> Bed time.  Good night.
[05:54] <bazhang> night
[06:08] <Myrtti> I feel a bit odd about the request of putting mental illnesses on the list
[06:09] <Myrtti> that would mean that I shouldn't mention about my experiences
[06:09] <bazhang> a bit surprised maco is/was pushing so hard on the cursing
[06:11] <Flannel> re: the "list".  That's an extrapolation of the CoC/IRCG to common sense/etc.  Just because its not explicitly stated on said list doesn't make it automatically correct.  Just as many topics that are perfectly fine could be considered "on the list".
[06:12] <Myrtti> indeed
[06:14] <Myrtti> I also think that barring mental illnesses as a topic is one of the steps towards... hmmm I was going to say the n word with z in it, but I'll just use Orwellian Neotalk and also note, that it doesn't actually embrace people of different backgrounds
[06:15] <Myrtti> I know there's plenty of Ubuntu users out there who use helping out in this effort as a mental rehabilitation
[06:16] <Flannel> Just because one person trolled a particular group of people doesn't mean we have to ban discussion re: anything that troll mentioned.
[06:17] <Myrtti> yup
[06:25] <bazhang> panarchy is still around; was just on #freenode
[06:33] <bazhang> wonder if maubot is any relation to meobot
[06:33] <Myrtti> I just banforwarded an ip that I noticed had someone with the word Bot both in nick and ident
[06:33] <Myrtti> ^
[06:34] <bazhang> its replicating!
[06:34] <Flannel> Oh.
[06:34] <Flannel> Mau Mau
[06:46] <Flannel> Howdy chazzwazzer
[06:47] <chazzwazzer> sorry?
[06:47] <Flannel> Its a greeting.  I'll bet you're wondering why you're here.
[06:47] <Myrtti> that's why ^
[06:47] <chazzwazzer> yes i understand now
[06:47] <Myrtti> chazzwazzer: are you running that bot?
[06:47] <chazzwazzer> trying to run one
[06:48] <Myrtti> why are you connecting it to #ubuntu?
[06:48] <chazzwazzer> actually trying to write a bot with python
[06:48] <chazzwazzer> because it is the one with most users and easier to listen
[06:49] <Flannel> Well, you're welcome to write one/run one/etc.  But please keep it out of ubuntu channels (and actually, you're best bet is to keep it out of any channel unless uninvited)
[06:49] <Myrtti> do you realise that you're causing unneeded noise to the already busy channel, and we already have quite enough of bots already
[06:49] <chazzwazzer> i didnt
[06:49] <chazzwazzer> really
[06:49] <Flannel> er, unless invited.  That makes more sense.
[06:49] <chazzwazzer> ok i'll test it somewhere else
[06:50] <chazzwazzer> what do you suggest then?
[06:50] <chazzwazzer> and can i join to ubuntu know?
[06:51] <chazzwazzer> not as a bot
[06:51] <Flannel> Yeah, give me a sec.
[06:51] <Flannel> chazzwazzer: Go ahead
[06:52] <chazzwazzer> cool, thanks
[06:53] <Flannel> As far as where you can run your bot.  I'm not really sure what would be an appropriate channel.  Obviously do the testing in a channel you own.  And then for input and stuff... You'll have to talk to the admins of the channel(s) in question.
[06:53] <Flannel> And, admins don't mean going into the channel, saying "Does anyone care if I run a bot?" and then turning it on after five minutes.  (No, I'm not accusing you of that, but I've seen it happen)
[06:54] <Flannel> A good place to start asking may be whereever you had in mind for the bot to be in production.  Whatever community it looks to help.
[06:59] <elky> try searching the channel list for 'bots'. the ubuntu versions are actually for our bots only, but there should be a few general-use ones.
[06:59] <elky> bah
[07:01] <Flannel> elky ^^
[07:02] <elky> chazzwazzer, try searching the channel list for 'bots'. the ubuntu versions are actually for our bots only, but there should be a few general-use ones.
[07:03] <chazzwazzer> i
[07:03] <chazzwazzer> i've jus seen others for testing
[07:03] <chazzwazzer> thanks again
[07:04] <elky> chazzwazzer, ah, then if you have no further issues, we prefer to not have people idle here as it complicates things when there's trouble
[07:05] <chazzwazzer> ok
[07:05] <elky> well, at least he has manners
[07:30] <Myrtti> I've got an intresting apartment
[07:31] <Myrtti> that sound reminded me of a sound of a hard drive reader head screeching against the disk
[07:34] <elky> Myrtti, maybe it's haunted by the nortons ghosts of dead platters.
[07:34]  * Myrtti installs smartmontools
[07:34] <elky> *ba dum tish*
[08:00] <Myrtti> now that I've got my stomach protection meds I can triple the amount of coffee, right?
[08:00] <Gary> sounds cool
[08:24] <jussi01> Myrtti: haha... no
[09:16] <ikonia> Fujisan ? was he one of the famous trolls ?
[09:16] <Myrtti> yes
[09:16] <Myrtti> where is he?
[09:16] <ikonia> I thought as much
[09:16] <ikonia> he just joined #macos
[09:17] <ikonia> I just left
[09:17] <ikonia> I was laughing watching panarchy take a rail roading for asking / spamming for IIS help
[09:22] <elky> heh
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[09:26]  * elky does the 'i get my new laptop tomorrow' dance
[09:27] <ikonia> elky: well done
[09:27] <ikonia> finally ordered one
[09:27] <elky> yeah. vostro 1310, 4g ram, 9 cell battery
[09:28] <ikonia> nice long battery
[09:32] <ikonia> cycle.noarch : Calendar program for women
[09:32] <ikonia> the fedora developers have much humour I think
[09:32] <Myrtti> ikonia: hm?
[09:32] <elky> Myrtti, it's a cycle calendar for women, like you get in some diaries
[09:33] <Myrtti> yes, I know, I use it myself
[09:33] <ikonia> yes yes, but acctually making an application.....
[09:33] <ikonia> wow ! really
[09:33] <ikonia> I thought it was one of those "silly" apps
[09:33] <elky> ikonia, they exist for real
[09:33] <ikonia> or even a play on the name
[09:33] <ikonia> I didn't think it was a serious app - (just scolling through calendar apps on platforms )
[09:33] <Myrtti> I don't believe on the rhythm method (who sane minded would) but it is nice to have when you're going to see the gyn
[09:33] <elky> ikonia, if you dont get any physical trigger symptoms, it's hard to know when you're about to soil
[09:34]  * ikonia steps backwards
[09:34] <elky> hehe, i think we're hurting his boy brain
[09:34] <Myrtti> ikonia: it's only us, dear... and you're mum has had her periods as well ;-)
[09:34] <ikonia> I thought it was one of the clever app names
[09:34] <Myrtti> your, even
[09:35] <ikonia> quite shocked it's a serious app, I thought the fedora developers where showing humour
[09:35] <Myrtti> it's not like the plague, and you don't have to sacrifice two turtle doves or anything after chatting with us on IRC when we're menstruating
[09:35] <elky> ikonia, well, it is a play, but it isn't a play, if you get what i mean?
[09:35] <ikonia> yes
[09:35] <elky> Myrtti, lets just end this here for the poor guy's sanity :)
[09:36] <ikonia> just a little surprised
[09:36] <Myrtti> hehe
[09:37] <ikonia> there was all the serious ones in the list, then that one and it made me chuckle
[09:37] <ikonia> shock horror - it's a sesrious one too
[09:37] <Myrtti> ikonia: mencal is for cli, I've used that too ;-)
[09:37] <ikonia> you have a cli app too.........
[09:37] <elky> when my evil brother learned about 'the cycle'... he came into my room, pointed at me and burst out laughing and said 'you bleed from your ...' and continued laughing as he left the room.
[09:38] <ikonia> that's brothers for you
[09:38] <elky> ikonia, this one is especially vile
[09:38] <Myrtti> elky: I would have asked him to try bikini waxing. That would have made him bleed as well.
[09:38] <ikonia> all sisters say that
[09:39] <elky> ikonia, unless of course it's commonplace for big brothers to throw little brothers in dumpsters, urinate on them, then close the dumpster on the poor, scared, traumatised kid.
[09:39] <ikonia> elky: not common, but I know of worse borthers.....
[09:39] <ikonia> I also know business collegues who would pay for his servics....
[09:40] <ikonia> services
[09:40] <elky> ikonia, he's still 'especially vile'
[09:40] <ikonia> gnomefreak's back using his real nick
[09:41] <gnomefreak> ikonia: :) i try to always
[09:42] <ikonia> elky: I'm trying to change my calander server setup to be a caldev based server so that I can use desktop clients AND the e71 to sync, I'm curious if you've done any research being an E71 geek
[09:42] <ikonia> or Myrtti for that matter as I know she puts in the time with nokia stuff
[09:42] <Myrtti> I've actually once filed a bug for cycle in launchpad, but maco marked it as incomplete and canceled/deleted since I couldn't reproduce it again
[09:43] <Myrtti> ikonia: I still haven't done that blogpost about opensync :-/
[09:43] <gnomefreak> anyone know of a applet timer that counts down?
[09:43] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: screenlet has one
[09:43] <Myrtti> screenlets
[09:43] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3328510787/
[09:44] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: thanks
[09:44] <Myrtti> probably others have too, but I haven't looked
[09:44] <ikonia> Myrtti: laughing hard at your count down function
[09:44] <Myrtti> *blush*
[09:44] <Myrtti> 4d, 14h, 5m! MARK!
[09:46] <ikonia> gnomefreak: "stopwatch" app also
[09:46] <Myrtti> I'm really, really waiting for that hug at Stansted. I'm so beat up with work and everything currently I don't know how many turns for the worse I could take. The closer the time for the plane landing comes, the chances of everything getting FUBAR'd is smaller
[09:47] <Myrtti> I was fairly optimistic I could pull this off until yesterday afternoon
[09:47] <Myrtti> then the server died and now I'm just almost catatonically waiting for something to explode
[09:47] <elky> ikonia, there's not even anything decent for gmail i dont think
[09:47] <Myrtti> prepared to take it in stride and just cry
[09:48] <ikonia> elky: google calander sync was released a few days ago 
[09:48] <gnomefreak> ikonia: thanks my going to look at those in a few
[09:48] <ikonia> hence why I'm trying to get something as close to that to run locally
[09:48] <ikonia> hence caldev
[09:50]  * gnomefreak would love to be able to use google calender remotely (set things and sync with sunbird
[09:52] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: thats a nice theme and the file browser is nice with the tree view
[09:53] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: but... sunbird has the google cal provider?
[09:53] <Myrtti> you want it to be synced to other apps/platforms as well?
[09:54] <jussi01> you can do it with kontact and some little external app
[09:54] <ikonia> Myrtti: was that for me ?
[09:54] <ikonia> oh
[09:54] <ikonia> gnomefreak: you can do that !!! I'm looking at this at the moment
[09:55] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: yep it supports google and has its own google binary name slips my mind but soon i have bugs to fix it in and trying to get rules to grap devel version but havent gooten it right yet
[09:55] <ikonia> gnomefreak: only I don't want to use google calander, I want to host my own 
[09:55] <jussi01> http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/10/11/howto-two-way-sync-between-kontact-and-gcal/
[09:56] <gnomefreak> sunbird is being a pain in the butt and seamonkey 2.0 is mostly simmple but doesnt like to be builts on everything prior to Jaunty (bug) and seamonkey 1 is easy ;)
[09:58] <ikonia> gnomefreak: I'm getting quite on board with sunbird
[09:59] <gnomefreak> it has a few bugs that are stumping me but i should have it fixed in the next week or 2
[10:03] <ikonia> you're fixing some bugs, cool
[10:10] <elky> ikonia, really? i havent had time to check it out
[10:12] <ikonia> elky: syncml is supposed to deal with it now
[10:12] <ikonia> hence I'm now trying to setup a central point for my calendar and contacts database so my applications (thunderbird/sunbird) can sync them / update them, and so can my E71 
[10:12] <ikonia> been trying for this for an age but it looks like it's getting close to do-able
[10:20] <jussi01> !lm-sensors
[10:20] <jussi01> !no, lm-sensors is <reply> To access CPU temperature sensors and detect fan speeds, install the lm-sensors package. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto for installation and usage instructions.
[10:20] <jussi01> !lm-sensors > rww
[10:21] <ikonia> I liked the shorter version
[10:21] <ikonia> update the page - not the factoid (in my view) 
[10:21] <jussi01> I think the longer one conforms to the sort of factoid we have for most others, thus giving a sense of correctness and continuity
[10:22] <jussi01> !-lm-sensors
[10:22] <ikonia> its informative sure, no argumet, I just think a few of the factoids are a little long or floody when a link to a maintained wiki page would work just as well
[10:23] <jussi01> !lm-sensors
[10:23] <jussi01> thats 2 lines here
[10:23] <ikonia> it's not that long actually
[10:23] <jussi01> dont think its too long 
[10:23] <ikonia> it's 3 here as my screen is a little smaller
[10:24] <jussi01> yeah
[10:24] <ikonia> you're right, it's not that long
[10:24] <jussi01> :)
[10:24] <Myrtti> four on mine
[10:24]  * jussi01 huggles ikonia
[10:24] <ikonia> it's all fine
[10:24] <jussi01> Myrtti: you are not supposed to use size 16 fonts :P
[10:24] <jussi01> *g*
[10:25] <Myrtti> jussi01: I'm not supposed to IRC at work, but then again, if I wouldn't, I would not be on IRC at all
[10:25] <jussi01> hahah
[10:26] <jussi01> ok, Im off for a quick reinstall back soon
[10:26] <gnomefreak> Myrtti:  i the screenshot what is the name of the filebrowser? the one with tree view?
[10:26] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: thunar
[10:26] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: I'm on xubuntru
[10:26] <Myrtti> xubuntu
[10:27] <jussi01> hrm, quick reminder, anything else I need to backup except my /home?
[10:28] <gnomefreak> ah i used to use dolphin. I will look at depends for it asn see if i want the libs on system
[10:29] <ikonia> jussi01: thats it 
[10:33] <Myrtti> jussi01: /etc?
[10:33]  * Myrtti doesn't want to lose her sources.list or cups/sane configs
[10:33] <jussi01> meh... just home. its a generic install
[10:33] <Myrtti> the size of /etc is peanuts anyway
[10:33] <jussi01> Im off to install - bak laters
[10:34] <Myrtti> backing it up in addition doesn't take that much space and is good to have in your backup routines anyway
[10:35] <ikonia> * Panarchy has quit (K-lined)
[10:35]  * Myrtti puts that in her collection of memorabilia ♥ 
[10:35]  * ikonia offers the channel an drink of their choice
[10:35] <Myrtti> :-D
[10:50] <Tm_T> ikonia: whyyyyyyy!!11
[10:50]  * Tm_T hides
[10:50] <ikonia> Tm_T: a wise choice
[10:59] <bazhang> Anand (n=kavita@118.91.188.72 another nick for asustek iirc
[10:59] <Myrtti> will he NEVER stop?
[11:00] <bazhang> he tracked me to another channel I was in to say hi, then quit
[11:00] <bazhang> cuh-reeeepy...
[11:01] <bazhang>  m0nik3r5 (n=sluttySu@c-67-183-212-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net still not changing I see
[12:22] <Myrtti> lolwhut?!
[12:24] <Myrtti> [14:21] ~~~rww [n=rww@pdpc/supporter/active/rww] has quit ["K-lined"]
[12:24] <Myrtti> I wonder what's behind that
[12:24] <Pici> Myrtti: Its in double quotes, so its his own quit message.
[12:25] <Myrtti> doh.
[12:25] <ikonia> ha ha
[12:25]  * Myrtti just had 30min telco with the customer
[12:26] <Myrtti> moar coffee
[12:26] <Tm_T> Myrtti: you atleast have paying customers (;)
[12:26] <Myrtti> Tm_T: erm, actually ...
[12:26] <Myrtti> Tm_T: since this was supposed to be done by Christmas...
[12:26] <Myrtti> >__<
[12:26] <Tm_T> ...whopsie!
[12:27] <Tm_T> Myrtti: you atleast haD paying customers (;)
[14:03] <jpds> !compiz is <reply>Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz-fusion
[14:04] <jpds> @login
[14:39] <Myrtti> I need a vacation ;______;
[14:39] <Myrtti> none of the decent usable text editors worked for me to print the source for debugging, so I made a pdf of them with latex.
[14:40] <Myrtti> I'm so lame :-<
[14:41]  * pleia2 hasn't taken a full week off from work since 2006
[14:41] <pleia2> but I'm taking care of that next week :)
[14:41] <pleia2> 9 days in a row off! gasp!!
[14:42] <Myrtti> I don't think I've had a full week off either since... since...
[14:42] <Myrtti> höm
[14:42] <Myrtti> pleia2: I see your 2006 and raise with 2004
[14:42] <pleia2> hehe
[14:47] <Pici> I have over 200 vacation hours saved up, and close to 300 sick hours.
[14:52] <Daviey> "sick hours" ?!
[14:52] <Seeker`> Pici: about 30 days holiday?
[14:52] <Daviey> can you pre-book a sick day for next month?
[14:53] <Pici> Daviey: Not really, but I can take personal days liberally if I don't feel like coming in.  Plus I get a certain number paid back to me at the end of the year.
[14:53] <Daviey> ahh
[15:47] <juliux> hi
[15:47] <Seeker`> hi
[15:47] <juliux> Myrtti: aren't you living inside the eu?
[15:47] <Myrtti> juliux: yup
[15:48] <juliux> Myrtti: i thought insinde the eu you have to take off two weeks in a row per year
[15:48] <Seeker`> juliux: I wasn't aware of that being the case in the UK
[15:48] <juliux> Seeker`: in germany you have to
[15:48] <Seeker`> you can take your holiday whenver you want
[15:49] <juliux> Seeker`: but could be that it is only a german law not an eu one
[15:49] <Seeker`> I believe that is more likely to be the case
[15:49] <juliux> normaly this stupid stuff comes from the eu;)
[15:49] <Myrtti> juliux: last year I got only 12 days in total
[15:49] <Myrtti> no
[15:49] <Myrtti> ten
[15:49] <juliux> Myrtti: ohhh
[15:49] <topyli> :-o
[15:50] <juliux> the minimum in germany is 25 days
[15:50] <Seeker`> Myrtti: you only got, or you only took?
[15:50] <juliux> that is the vacation days you have to take per year
[15:50] <Myrtti> that's what you get for starting in a new company in November 2007
[15:50] <Seeker`> I think we have a minimum of 28 days per year, including 8 bank holidays
[15:50] <Myrtti> 2 days per each month worked until end of march
[15:51] <Myrtti> = 10
[15:51] <Seeker`> so a minimum of 20 you can choose yourself
[15:51] <Seeker`> I think
[15:51] <Seeker`> but you don't *have* to take them
[15:51] <Seeker`> you just have to be given the choice
[15:52] <juliux> i have 26 vacation days per year
[15:52] <juliux> and i have to take them
[15:52] <Myrtti> last year the only full week I had was spoilt by a boss coming to complain me on IRC that someone has to answer a client on support@
[15:53] <Myrtti> "you're my only hope, Myrtti"
[15:53] <juliux> if i don' t take them my employer can get in trouble
[15:53] <Myrtti> tidlititidi
[15:53] <Seeker`> juliux: companies tend not to like you not taking them, as it generally means that they carry over to the next year
[15:54] <juliux> ohh the german law says the minimum is 20 days if you have a 5 day working week
[15:54]  * Myrtti smacks herself for Monty Python reference #elsewhere, followed by Star Wars reference here
[15:54] <juliux> Seeker`: yes but then you have to take them until the end of march
[15:54] <Pici> Look sir, droids!
[15:54] <Seeker`> juliux: not over here
[15:54] <Seeker`> someone I know has 40 or 50 days holiday built up over the years
[15:54] <Myrtti> Pici: scruffy looking nerfherder!
[15:55] <Pici> Myrtti: Who ya calling scruffy lookin'?
[15:55] <Myrtti> EEEEEVVRY byte is saaacred, evvry byte is great, if a byte is wasted, god get quite irate!
[15:56] <Myrtti> I - need - a - vacation
[15:56] <Seeker`> Myrtti: take one then?
[15:56] <Myrtti> the problem here is I've got difficulties dividing my time strictly between work and non-work
[15:57] <Myrtti> Seeker`: can't until May I think
[15:57] <Myrtti> I'm not sure
[15:57] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[15:58] <Myrtti> fortunately my current employer is quite strict about the holidays and my coworkers as well
[16:48] <jussi01> Myrtti: topyli translation, pretty please? Onko kukaan hkissä su
[16:48] <jussi01> (stupid spoken language)
[16:48] <Myrtti> is anyone in helsinki on sunday
[16:48] <jussi01> ahh ok :)
[16:48] <topyli> a couple of abbreviations there :)
[16:49] <Myrtti> jussi01: hki, tre, rmk, hml, vlk, jns :-P
[16:49] <Myrtti> anyone else come up with more?
[16:50] <Myrtti> tku
[16:50] <jussi01> rmk, vlk?
[16:50] <Myrtti> riihimäki, valkeakoski
[16:50] <jussi01> ahh
[16:50] <jussi01> and rovaniemi?
[16:50] <Myrtti> I'd guess rvn, but am not sure
[16:51] <Myrtti> lpr
[16:51] <Myrtti> that's lappeenranta
[16:53] <topyli> rovaniemi = roi
[16:54] <Myrtti> ah, true
[16:54] <Myrtti> forgot that
[16:54] <Myrtti> also affectionately known as rollo
[16:54] <Myrtti> :-D
[16:55] <jussi01> hrm... 
[16:55] <jussi01> anyone know an equivalent for this? http://www.applian.com/flvplayer/download_flv_player.php
[17:08] <jdong>  jussi01 what, a FLV player?
[17:08] <Myrtti> "vlc"?
[17:08] <Myrtti> *cough*
[17:09]  * Myrtti doesn't know in reality
[17:09] <jussi01> Myrtti: yeah, vlc doesnt seem to like it... its weird
[17:09] <jdong> yeah flv is usually just MPEG4-ASP/AVC and MP3/AAC audio
[17:09] <jussi01> maybe jsut that link is screwed...
[17:09] <jdong> any ffmpeg based player should do it
[17:10] <jussi01> hrm, can anyone open this: rtmp://87.21.36.251/live/euronews
[17:10] <jussi01> the suggested program is the one mentioned abov...
[17:10] <jdong> EEW GOATS DOING IT
[17:10] <jdong> haha just kidding *opesn mplayer*
[17:11] <jussi01> jdong: is supposed to be wuronews ...
[17:11] <jussi01> euronews
[17:11] <Myrtti> jdong: you just hilighted Dave2 
[17:11] <Myrtti> just FYI
[17:11] <jussi01> oh that was nasty...
[17:11] <jdong> Recently, the open source media player XBMC has acquired preliminary support for playing RTMP streams in its SVN version (see the patch).
[17:11] <jdong> said patch: http://xbmc.org/trac/ticket/4905
[17:11] <Seeker`> the chances of dave2 managing to type the correct /win command to get to this channel are probably quite low; I think we'll be safe for now
[17:12] <Myrtti> Seeker`: *SNORK*
[17:12] <Myrtti> true, dat
[17:12] <jussi01> hahahah you are really nasty today :P
[17:12] <jussi01> jdong: any luck?
[17:13] <jdong> jussi01: VLC jussi01 nope
[17:13] <jdong> no vlc, no mplayer
[17:13] <jdong> maybe try that XBMC patch
[17:13] <jdong> silliness
[17:13] <Myrtti> jussi01: if you didn't know about Dave2's fixation about goats, 13:37 and irssi windows, you're really out of touch ;-)
[17:13] <jdong> (can't you just use Flash player)
[17:13] <Myrtti> isn't that... *cough*
[17:13] <Myrtti> realplayer thing?
[17:13] <jdong> Myrtti: nope
[17:13] <jdong> ADOBE
[17:13] <Myrtti> I thought rtsp always is
[17:13] <jdong> rt*m*p :)
[17:14] <jussi01> vlc _seems_ to support it, but nothing opens :/
[17:34] <Myrtti> oh doodah.
[17:35] <Myrtti> I was just about to install my scanner drivers, went to the prompt "the 50M driver package is already downloaded on the home se-eh-eh... D'OH"
[18:32] <Dave2> Seeker`, good job I'm on XChat here then!
[18:40] <Seeker`> Dave2: :O
[21:01] <Myrtti> jpds: you MISSED YOUR CHANCE
[21:03] <Seeker`> you mean we could have said whatever we wanted for those 22 seconds?
[21:04] <Flannel> Seeker`: You can say whatever you want at any time.  It would just be logged forever!
[21:04] <Seeker`> :P
[21:15] <Myrtti> wheep.
[21:15] <Seeker`> lo Myrtti 
[21:15] <Myrtti> I haz blogged.
[21:15] <Myrtti> nao I can haz tea.
[21:17] <Myrtti> tea nomnom
[21:17]  * Myrtti kicks Jaiku
[21:17] <Myrtti> work dammit
[21:20] <Myrtti> arggghhh
[21:22] <Seeker`> Myrtti: where did youz blog?
[21:22] <Myrtti> it at my blogz, silly! douh. http://myrtti.fi/ etc.
[21:24] <Myrtti> damn that looks horrible on the planet
[21:24] <Myrtti> oh well
[21:32] <Seeker`> Myrtti: nice
[21:34] <Myrtti> I hate new facebook
[21:34] <Seeker`> Myrtti: why?
[21:34] <Seeker`> facebook is being weird, i'm getting updates appearing twice on the same page
[21:35] <Myrtti> Seeker`: it's the rollout
[21:35] <Myrtti> makes it wonky
[21:41] <ikonia> it's crap
[21:41] <ikonia> they have changed the layout
[21:55] <jpds> Wow, Panarchy just spammed a bunch of Debian channels over at OFTC.
[21:55] <Seeker`> fun
[21:56] <Seeker`> I wonder if some people have "Troll" written down the middle, like a stick of rock
[21:56] <Seeker`> Myrtti: have you tried rock before?
[21:57]  * jussi01 prods ikonia
[21:57] <Seeker`> jussi01: get a room!
[22:00] <jussi01> /arn Seeker`now I hve one :D
[22:00] <Seeker`> "arn"?
[22:00] <jussi01> (alias for remove, notify)
[22:00] <Seeker`> :P
[22:01] <jussi01> cept wouldnt have worked cause of the typo
[22:01] <Seeker`> hehe
[22:01] <Myrtti> Seeker`: did I forget to mention it in the entry? Duncans mum gave me a bag full to take back to Finland to give to my niece and nephew...
[22:01] <ikonia> jpds: really ?
[22:01] <Myrtti> I forgot to take them to Valkeakoski with me so I still have them waiting there for the delivery
[22:02] <Seeker`> Myrtti: didn't see it in the entry
[22:02] <jpds> ikonia: Just messaged the same question to multiple channels cos he 'wanted input'.
[22:02] <ikonia> what an idiot
[22:03] <Myrtti> Seeker`: right. Should have added it.
[22:03] <Myrtti> don't know if I cba though
[22:03] <Myrtti> should work a bit more
[22:07] <Seeker`> :O
[22:07] <Seeker`> but its midnight!
[22:07] <Myrtti> but if I get this done, I can clean and pack and go to UK with one less thing to worry about
[22:08] <Seeker`> fair enough
[22:08] <Myrtti> it's always like "few more lines and it's done"
[22:08] <Seeker`> heh
[22:08] <Myrtti> and then I realise, damn, it needs a special case for this particular thing
[22:08] <Myrtti> because if it's not attended, the whole thing is going to unravel
[22:08] <Seeker`> :(
[22:08] <Myrtti> and it keeps on coming more and more complex
[22:09] <Myrtti> and now I'm in a stage I printed the whole script, took a bunch of crayons and drew flow charts in the margins
[22:10] <ikonia> jpds: he just got what I can only assume is a k-line on that network so no big deal
[22:10] <Myrtti> almost drew the debugging pentagram with regexp, bash, linux, mediawiki and emacs on the points and lit candles
[22:11] <Myrtti> and almost started to sacrifice Jolt Cola to my Tux plushie
[22:12] <jussi01> ikonia: pm?
[22:12] <Seeker`> dounfd gu
[22:12] <Seeker`> wtf was that; "Sounds fun"
[22:13] <jussi01> Seeker`: hahahah
[22:14] <ikonia> jussi01: of course
[22:54] <jussi01> nini all - bed time - if I can sleep