JontheEchidna | lex79: Sorry I had to step out a bit. kblogger uploading, thanks for your contribuiton to Kubuntu | 00:00 |
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lex79 | thx JontheEchidna | 00:00 |
* Riddell puts alpha 6 on the website | 01:22 | |
torkiano | hello all, i get a lot of interrups from my graphic card (intel 965) in powertop. 3D effects are disabled. Anyone with this problem? | 04:24 |
* a|wen waves to everyone | 06:33 | |
* nixternal waves back | 06:41 | |
=== nixternal changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Kubuntu Meeting Tuesday March 17 2009 at 17:00 UTC | Jaunty Alpha-6 Released! | 8.04.2 Released! | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! | ||
=== sfs is now known as _StefanS_ | ||
* markey doesn't understand why lately all sorts of users are lamenting over sound problems with kubuntu 8.10 | 09:03 | |
markey | while it works fine for me | 09:03 |
markey | with the very same distro and version | 09:04 |
markey | and Phonon-xine | 09:04 |
* markey shrugs | 09:04 | |
markey | aaaaha | 09:06 |
markey | these people are using "MediBuntu" | 09:06 |
markey | whatever that is | 09:06 |
markey | and it seems to be causing breakage | 09:06 |
markey | this MediBuntu is not official, is it? | 09:06 |
a|wen | markey: or they have snome installed as well, so pulseaudio is mixing things up for them... | 09:07 |
markey | hmm yep | 09:07 |
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ScottK | a|wen and rgreening: Congratulations. | 10:10 |
Lure | rgreening, a|wen: congrats on joining MOTU club! | 10:10 |
Lure | ScottK: yu got me by half second ;-) | 10:10 |
a|wen | thanks ScottK and Lure :) | 10:11 |
Lure | good to see Kubuntu family growing with more and more core-dev and motu empowered contributers | 10:11 |
Lure | markey: medibuntu is not official, but they typically ship just additional codecs and rebuild of packages with additional dependencies (for example stuff that is in universe/multiverse) | 10:12 |
Lure | markey: it may be that this brings in some changes in code (optional compiling) that are less stable | 10:13 |
Lure | markey: for me, using medibuntu was always positive (no clear regressions I could attribute to them) | 10:13 |
a|wen | there is kubuntu all around :) | 10:13 |
markey | Lure: well the other day we had one user installing MediBuntu, and that left him with 0 Phonon backends installed ;) | 10:15 |
markey | apparently | 10:15 |
markey | (I can't guarantee that he did it all correctly...) | 10:15 |
ScottK | Medibuntu is a non-official repo for legally risky packages. So not a great suprise. | 10:16 |
Lure | ScottK: you have more experience with library transitions | 10:21 |
Lure | ScottK: is it possible to keep two versions of library in archive if some rdepends cannot work with newer version? | 10:21 |
Lure | ScottK: I am talking abut bug 309684 which is stuk due to pyexiv2 rdepends | 10:22 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 309684 in exiv2 "Please sync exiv2-0.18 from Debian Experimental" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309684 | 10:22 |
ScottK | Lure: For some period, but not generally at release as the older version would be not built from source. | 10:22 |
ScottK | If you really need to do this you need to package the new one as a new package. | 10:22 |
Lure | ScottK: ok, so no way to have both exiv2 0.17 and 0.18 sources in the archive for Jaunty? | 10:23 |
Lure | hi Tonio_ | 10:23 |
ScottK | Not without a new separate source package. This sort of ducplcation is discouraged. | 10:23 |
Lure | Tonio_: I see more and more successful Ubuntu deplyments in France! | 10:23 |
Tonio_ | hey guys ;) | 10:23 |
Tonio_ | Lure: ah ? | 10:23 |
Lure | ScottK: ok, I understand it now | 10:24 |
Tonio_ | Lure: which other one are you talking about ? | 10:24 |
Lure | Tonio_: recent news about French police cost savings | 10:24 |
ScottK | Lure: I'd look for a new version of pyexiv2 that might fix things or contact upstream and ask for help with the transition. | 10:24 |
Tonio_ | Lure: ah yah ;) | 10:24 |
Tonio_ | I work with them atm | 10:24 |
Lure | ScottK: upstream is working on 0.2, but it will not be ready for Jaunty + it will impact on two rdepends of pyexiv2 | 10:25 |
Tonio_ | kaspersky antivirus integration to their ubuntu network... | 10:25 |
Lure | ScottK: so new API in C++ is translated in Python and needs fixes in rdepends | 10:25 |
ScottK | Lure: You either need to fix it all or leave it I think. | 10:25 |
Lure | ScottK: exactly, which means no 0.18 for Jaunty (no write support for TIFF/RAW :-(( ) | 10:26 |
* Lure has to run, bbl | 10:26 | |
ScottK | See you. | 10:26 |
Riddell | a|wen: congratulations! | 10:26 |
a|wen | thx Riddell! | 10:27 |
Tonio_ | a|wen: just saw the news, well done :) | 10:29 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: hi, any news with k3b on your side ? rgreening reported everything (including dvd burning) worked for him... | 10:29 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: still no dvds to test on y side... | 10:29 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: could you make a test eventually ? | 10:30 |
a|wen | Tonio_: thx | 10:31 |
Riddell | Tonio_: in your PPA? | 10:45 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: tep | 10:45 |
Tonio_ | s/t/y/ | 10:45 |
seele | did i send out a reminder about the meeting to the kubuntu mailing list yet? | 10:49 |
a|wen | seele: i got one :) | 10:50 |
seele | ok | 10:51 |
* seele screws her head on tighter | 10:51 | |
Riddell | Tonio_: still gets stuck at growisofs | 10:59 |
Riddell | k3b(25903) K3b::GrowisofsHandler::handleLine: (growisofs) "About to execute 'builtin_dd if=/dev/fd/0 of=/dev/sr0 obs=32k seek=0'" | 11:00 |
Riddell | k3b(25903) K3b::GrowisofsHandler::handleLine: (growisofs) "WARNING: /dev/sr0 already carries isofs!" | 11:00 |
JontheEchidna | rgreening, a|wen: congrats | 11:59 |
Riddell | rgreening too? | 11:59 |
JontheEchidna | Yeah, him too :) | 12:01 |
rgreening | :) | 12:09 |
rgreening | Riddell: .. why so shocked :P | 12:10 |
JontheEchidna | It was sorta quick :P | 12:11 |
* JontheEchidna throws https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New at rgreening and a|wen | 12:11 | |
rgreening | I had great mentors :) | 12:11 |
jpds | We did 3 MOTUs and one CD today. | 12:12 |
rgreening | woo-hoo | 12:12 |
* ScottK notes https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors to a|wen and rgreening.... | 12:13 | |
rgreening | thansk ScottK and JontheEchidna. Bookmarked :) | 12:15 |
rgreening | thanks even | 12:15 |
rgreening | ok, now, off to work... be back on in a bit... | 12:16 |
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Quintasan | rgreening and a|wen: grats :) | 12:22 |
Riddell | rgreening: I just didn't notice it in the scrollback | 12:23 |
Riddell | rgreening: congratulations! | 12:23 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, I droped my 2 patches to let people test... | 12:24 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like the first one is still needed... | 12:24 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is that the path to your iso is not read, and empty | 12:25 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like something related to a change in qt since the same codebase works with qt3... | 12:25 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll reupload including my patch and will let you know | 12:25 |
Tonio_ | rgreening: hey :) have you been testing burning isos with k3b or only datas ? | 12:26 |
Quintasan | Can anyone tell me will the ext4 fix (scheduled to release with 2.6.30) will be backported to Ubuntu kernel? | 12:26 |
jpds | Quintasan: Better ask in #ubuntu-kernel | 12:26 |
Quintasan | jpds: ok, thx | 12:27 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: I had problems launching k3b from menu entry, it just didn't work, I've launched it from konsole but it throwed wierd errors like "Malformed URL file:///home/quintasan" | 12:32 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: which version of k3b and ubuntu ? | 12:32 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: looks like a local issue :) | 12:32 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: 9.04 k3b 1.0.5+kde4svn935857+really1.0.5 | 12:33 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: hum.... testing, lemme have a look | 12:34 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: I've also tried changing the menu entry, but it didn't help | 12:34 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: okay | 12:34 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: it looks like it is using an ioslave that won't work with kde4... | 12:34 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: you probably have some cached entries in your .kde | 12:34 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: you can try to remove your .kde/share/config/k3brc file | 12:35 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: and also your .kde/share/apps/k3b/ (if any) | 12:35 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: can you test this and try to restart from the command line ? | 12:35 |
Quintasan | sure | 12:35 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: I get no issue here.. | 12:36 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: works now :P | 12:39 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: thanks :D | 12:39 |
Tonio_ | quassel251: you're welcome :) | 12:39 |
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rgreening | man am I tired | 12:40 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm reuploading an uptodate k3b reincluding that patch | 12:41 |
vorian | congrats a|wen and rgreening | 12:42 |
rgreening | ty vorian | 12:42 |
Quintasan | Hi vorian and rgreening :) | 12:42 |
vorian | howdy | 12:42 |
rgreening | o/ Quintasan | 12:43 |
Tonio_ | rgreening: pin ? | 12:57 |
rgreening | Tonio_: ? | 12:58 |
rgreening | oh, ping :) | 12:58 |
rgreening | haha :P | 12:58 |
Tonio_ | rgreening: about your dvd burning tests, where you burning data or isos ? | 12:58 |
rgreening | iso's | 12:58 |
Tonio_ | rgreening: yeah, tired fingers, sorry :) | 12:58 |
Tonio_ | rgreening: okay so it looks like my patches have to stay in for the moment... | 12:59 |
Tonio_ | rgreening: also, any news on the kpackagekit work ? :) | 12:59 |
rgreening | ongoing | 12:59 |
Tonio_ | rocking :) | 12:59 |
rgreening | I need to get some keyboard time with glatzor :) | 12:59 |
Tonio_ | oki | 13:00 |
Tonio_ | rgreening: I have to take some time to go buy rewritable dvds.... so frustrating I can't test atm | 13:00 |
Tonio_ | rgreening: but I have so much work that it's just impossible to go in a shop right now... | 13:00 |
Tonio_ | rgreening: the famous "35 hours" for the french really looks like a legend here.... | 13:01 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: I have some, rw's, what should I test? | 13:01 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: hum, first install my ppa :) | 13:02 |
Quintasan | k | 13:02 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa | 13:02 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: then wait for the next k3b build to finish, and try to burn an iso dvd... | 13:03 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: I have 2 patches to make it to work, this upload only contains one, since the second one is very workarroundish :) | 13:03 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: and please let me know if that works by email at tonio@ubuntu.com | 13:03 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: thanks by advance :) | 13:03 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: okay | 13:04 |
Quintasan | crap skim still FTBFS | 13:04 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: is a kde4 port on the way ? | 13:05 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: dunno, I was wondering why I can't fix the icon bug. vorian told me that it can arch issue but it isn't | 13:06 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: let me chcek :3 | 13:06 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: looks like no, still kde3... | 13:06 |
Tonio_ | that's bad :( | 13:06 |
Quintasan | :/ | 13:06 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: is the ftbfs due to some changes of yours or is the current package ftbfsing ? | 13:09 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: I downloaded the source from repositories made small changes in debian/skim.install and it FTBFS | 13:09 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: okay I'm trying to build it locally here.... we'll see | 13:10 |
Tonio_ | rm: cannot remove `/tmp/buildd/skim-1.4.5/debian/tmp/usr/share/autostart/skim.desktop': No such file or directory | 13:12 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: that's what I get | 13:12 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: same for your ? | 13:12 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: same, but vorian mentioned that | 13:13 |
Quintasan | scons: *** [utils/libscim-kdeutils.la] TypeError : cannot concatenate 'str' and 'list' objects | 13:13 |
Quintasan | is the actual problem | 13:13 |
Quintasan | If you comment the rm line in rules it will throw the same error | 13:13 |
vorian | Quintasan: what did i mention? | 13:15 |
Quintasan | vorian: about the skim compile error :P | 13:16 |
Tonio_ | looks like not easy to fix though... | 13:17 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: afaics, that requires patching the code... My python knowledge is way too limited to help on that point :/ sorry ! | 13:19 |
Quintasan | No problems, my python knowledge = 0 so no big deal :3 | 13:21 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: in any case, hard to patch an unmaintained app using an unmaintained build system and a deprecated python version ;) | 13:24 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: my ppa is up to date, you can go for a burning test ;) | 13:24 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: I insist on testing iso dvd, not cd iso, since that's known to work :) | 13:25 |
Quintasan | kk, have lots of dvd for er... burning linux distros ;) | 13:25 |
Nightrose | You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to | 13:27 |
Nightrose | http://www.kde.org/. | 13:27 |
Nightrose | how can i unsubscribe from those? | 13:27 |
Nightrose | i get way too many bugmails :/ | 13:28 |
* Tonio_ dreams of the day he can avoids dvds and use pxe boot to install whatever he wants within internet :) | 13:29 | |
Tonio_ | but that's unlikelly to happen :/ | 13:29 |
Tonio_ | though technically this is possible I think... as long as you have a pxe configured dhcp server, it could work... | 13:30 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: "Welcome" message was "Mp3 decoder not found" :D | 13:37 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: yeah I have to patch that one :) | 13:37 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: burned | 13:40 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: I'll go with a bigger one now | 13:41 |
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JontheEchidna | Pretty sweet screenshot tour: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-9-04-Alpha-6-Screenshot-Tour-106631.shtml | 13:42 |
Quintasan | Tonio_: works for me :3 | 13:44 |
* Quintasan rembered he should sent a mail to Tonio | 13:44 | |
Riddell | Lure: what's the status of the digikam MIRs? | 13:44 |
Lure | Riddell: lensfun is in main (digikam depend), I gave up on opencv (no RedEyesRemoval batch plugin in KIPI) | 13:53 |
Riddell | Lure: I'll set it to done in the ToDo page then | 13:53 |
Lure | Riddell: right, I forgot to update it there | 13:53 |
Lure | and I will have to give up on exiv2 0.18 too :-( | 13:54 |
cernui | Lure: what problems did you have with opencv? | 13:57 |
Lure | cernui: too many warnings to fix: see bug 324523 | 13:59 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 324523 in opencv "Main inclusion request for OpenCV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324523 | 13:59 |
cernui | Anyways, using opencv for a simple red eyes removal is not so logical, except that more advanced filters are planned | 14:00 |
cernui | Oh ok, it uses a trained red eye recognition, so it's not that simple | 14:05 |
Tonio_ | Quintasan: great | 14:07 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like the new ppa upload will let you burn a dvd :) | 14:08 |
vorian | Quintasan: please see my comment on your -klicker application on REVU | 14:22 |
Quintasan | vorian: the widgeR one? :) | 14:42 |
Quintasan | vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-klicker | 14:43 |
* Quintasan is off for 45 minutes | 14:43 | |
Lure | Tonio_: k3b hangs on 100% ISO write on my USB writer | 15:05 |
Riddell | allee: did we decide what to do with kblueplugd? | 15:25 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: QtCurve update is fine with me | 15:30 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: do you havfe an opinion on using qtcurve in place of gtk-qt-engine? | 15:30 |
JontheEchidna | Riddell: I would use it in place of gtk-qt-engine. It's not exactly like Oxygen, but it is quite similar and has way less bugs | 15:31 |
allee | Riddell: not really. kbluetooth crashes and there is/was still no dbg sym pkg for amd64. When kbluetoothd crashes on bt-adpater-switche-off is fixed kblueplugd can go, with the crash we need it to restart it to restart kbluetoothd | 15:31 |
JontheEchidna | Plus now gtk-qt-engine is doing its fight for control with QGtkStyle and causing gnome-appearance-properties headaches | 15:32 |
JontheEchidna | and headaches for gnome-appearance-properties triagers ;-) | 15:32 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: fancy writing a MIR? | 15:33 |
allee | Riddel: I've a one line patch that replaces dcop tool with qdbus tool but there no real need for dbus stop command when kbt crashes | 15:33 |
JontheEchidna | Riddell: Sure, I can do that | 15:33 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: thanks | 15:34 |
JontheEchidna | You're welcome | 15:35 |
Riddell | allee: mm, I guess we should use that one line patch anyway in the hope that the crash will be fixed at osome point | 15:35 |
Riddell | allee: reading what you say again it doesn't seem to matter either way | 15:36 |
allee | Riddel: yes :) | 15:36 |
JontheEchidna | Riddell: so now do I have an ack to upload both the gtk2-engines-qtcurve package and kde-style-qtcurve or just the kde one? | 15:37 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: all | 15:38 |
Lure | Tonio_, Riddell: k3b actually completed burn of iso correclty, just the UI hung after burn (at 100%) :-( | 15:39 |
JontheEchidna | Riddell: oh-kay! | 15:40 |
JontheEchidna | Up they go | 15:40 |
Riddell | whee | 15:40 |
JontheEchidna | bbiab, lunch tiem | 15:53 |
_Groo_ | hi/2 all.. | 17:39 |
_Groo_ | any devs alive? :) | 17:39 |
JontheEchidna | Riddell: bug 342379 | 17:42 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 342379 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve "Main Inclusion Request for gtk2-engines-qtcurve" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342379 | 17:42 |
_Groo_ | HI JontheEchidna | 17:43 |
JontheEchidna | Hi | 17:43 |
_Groo_ | JontheEchidna: can you tell me if the konsole/yakuake bug will be backported in the experimental PPA? | 17:43 |
JontheEchidna | It would probably be backported before it could move to intrepid-backports | 17:44 |
_Groo_ | JontheEchidna: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171544 | 17:44 |
ubottu | KDE bug 171544 in general "Invisible terminal - Manual split terminal don't show up" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 17:44 |
JontheEchidna | so maybe eventually, but it's not a super-high priority | 17:44 |
JontheEchidna | We are freaking out with getting 9.04 ready for release ;-) | 17:45 |
_Groo_ | hi JontheEchidna, sorry, kvirc crashed on me | 17:55 |
JontheEchidna | [13:44:52] <JontheEchidna> so maybe eventually, but it's not a super-high priority | 17:56 |
JontheEchidna | [13:45:13] <JontheEchidna> We are freaking out with getting 9.04 ready for release ;-) | 17:56 |
_Groo_ | JontheEchidna: so, how can i add the patches into kdebase? i just need to know how to extract the exact patch from kde svn | 17:56 |
_Groo_ | the rest is up to me.. i can send you the diffs after i tested it if you want | 17:56 |
JontheEchidna | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.2/kdebase/apps/konsole/src/ViewContainer.cpp?r1=937339&r2=937338&pathrev=937339&view=patch | 17:57 |
_Groo_ | last question, whats the same command via svn comannd line? | 17:59 |
JontheEchidna | i dunno, lol | 18:00 |
_Groo_ | lol ok :D | 18:01 |
_Groo_ | i need two patches | 18:01 |
jjesse | is it possible to install the amarok2 in intrepid? is the package amaork2? do i need a ppa for it? | 18:10 |
vorian | jjesse: its' just amarok | 18:10 |
jjesse | hrmm ok | 18:10 |
Nightrose | in intrepid it is amarok-kde4 no? | 18:10 |
vorian | or | 18:10 |
vorian | pfft | 18:10 |
jjesse | hrmm amarok is kde 3.5 version | 18:10 |
* vorian missed the intrepid bit | 18:10 | |
vorian | jjesse: if you use the experimental ppa, it's amarok-kde4 | 18:11 |
vorian | doh, or just amarok | 18:12 |
* vorian should just be quiet | 18:12 | |
* Nightrose hugs vorian ;-) | 18:13 | |
Nightrose | found it jjesse? | 18:13 |
jjesse | oh ok, in the experimential ppa | 18:13 |
jjesse | what's the address for that? | 18:13 |
vorian | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa | 18:14 |
_Groo_ | seeya all later | 18:15 |
jjesse | ok so what package is it now in the experiment? | 18:18 |
vorian | it's just the only way to get it in intrepid | 18:19 |
jjesse | ok | 18:19 |
maco | indirectly related to development: is ubuntu applying to be a mentor org for Summer of Code this year? | 18:46 |
maco | (google just announced 10 minutes til close of applications) | 18:50 |
JontheEchidna | Wow, I've never had an MIR approved in an hour before | 18:54 |
siekacz | hi | 18:59 |
JontheEchidna | Riddell: how does one go about updating the desktop seed? Pitti asked me to do it and I don't really know what to do... | 18:59 |
siekacz | i have a very strange problem with plasmoids(kde 4.2.0 from ubuntu backports) | 19:00 |
siekacz | i can install them, but i'm not able to run it | 19:00 |
cjwatson | category: things I might be able to work out eventually, but a Kubuntu hacker can probably do it in half the time | 19:02 |
siekacz | i see only "Cold not find requested component: xxx " | 19:02 |
cjwatson | I'm looking at the qt4-x11 build failure on powerpc, and it looks like it can be worked around by building qstring.cpp with different optimisation flags | 19:02 |
cjwatson | is there a reasonable way to tell qmake to build a single file with different CFLAGS? | 19:02 |
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Quintasan | \o | 19:11 |
cjwatson | alternatively, will anyone mind if I build qt4-x11 with -O2 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls across the board on powerpc? it doesn't seem to me as though qmake actually supports per-file CFLAGS sanely | 19:18 |
JontheEchidna | I guess that's better than not building | 19:23 |
lex79 | JontheEchidna: qtcurve 0.62.2 is out :) | 19:29 |
knusperfrosch | anyone else with problems booting jaunty a6 on i386? | 19:33 |
Tm_T | what kind of problems? | 19:35 |
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knusperfrosch | doesnt boot | 19:39 |
knusperfrosch | choose something from the bootmenue, cpufan produces noise, nothing happens on the screen | 19:40 |
JontheEchidna | lex79: lol | 19:43 |
lex79 | eheheh | 19:44 |
JontheEchidna | Since it's most likely a bugfix-only release compared to what we have I can just file a bug and then upload ^.^ | 19:44 |
JontheEchidna | WEll, not for gtk2-engines-qtcurve since it just got promoted, lol | 19:45 |
lex79 | yes, it is a bug fix release | 19:47 |
* JontheEchidna prepares an update | 19:48 | |
lex79 | firefox is better with 0.62 \o/ | 19:48 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: seeds are in bzr | 19:49 |
Riddell | on launchpad under ubuntu-seeds project | 19:49 |
JontheEchidna | lex79: That's the dream :-) | 19:49 |
Riddell | get the kubuntu one, edit desktop and push somewhere, then get someone in core-dev to merge in | 19:49 |
JontheEchidna | I guess we'll be wanting a gtkrc with qtcurve set in k-d-s too? | 19:50 |
cumulus007 | wooow, KDE is MUCH faaster since the last updates | 19:55 |
JontheEchidna | What got updated that made such a difference? | 20:00 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: yes you'll need to work out how to set that | 20:05 |
Riddell | JontheEchidna: also you should remove the depends from gtk-qtcurve like we do with gtk-qt-engine so it doesn't bring lots of gtk stuff onto the CD | 20:05 |
JontheEchidna | Ah, since it needs only gtk this shouldn't be a problem like it was with gtk-qt-engine | 20:06 |
JontheEchidna | since installing gtk stuff will bring in the only thing it needs | 20:06 |
JontheEchidna | gtk | 20:06 |
JontheEchidna | excellent | 20:06 |
Riddell | yep | 20:08 |
apachelogger | it's not even funny how untranslated kubuntu stuff is | 20:10 |
JontheEchidna | apachelogger: all that even after vorian got spammed with > 13,000 translation import success emails? | 20:11 |
JontheEchidna | :( | 20:11 |
apachelogger | well | 20:11 |
* JontheEchidna only got spammed with 500 emails | 20:11 | |
apachelogger | _our_ stuff | 20:11 |
JontheEchidna | oh, like the help menu entries | 20:11 |
JontheEchidna | and custom apps | 20:12 |
apachelogger | + I find that import mail stuff so incredibly bad implemented it is not funny either | 20:12 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: also the additional note about kubuntu translations coming from launchpad | 20:12 |
cjwatson | you're not the only one, pretty much everyone dogpiled on the relevant LP developers - it's getting fixed | 20:12 |
apachelogger | ...like there were any... | 20:12 |
cjwatson | argh, why doesn't cdbs-edit-patch work on qt4-x11? | 20:12 |
cjwatson | stupid thing bails out with cp: cannot open `./.pc/16_hide_std_symbols_on_qtwebkit.diff/src/3rdparty/webkit/symbols.filter' for reading: Permission denied | 20:12 |
JontheEchidna | vorian got 300,000 karma out of the deal too | 20:12 |
apachelogger | cjwatson: most likely Riddell screwed up the patch stack again :P | 20:13 |
cjwatson | oh, oops, it's patchsys-quilt | 20:13 |
JontheEchidna | apachelogger: btw, we're burning gtk-qt-engine with fire and using gtk2-engines-qtcurve since it now looks Sorta Oxygenish (tm) | 20:13 |
cjwatson | ok, I can deal with that | 20:13 |
apachelogger | <3 quilt | 20:13 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: sensible thing to do | 20:14 |
* apachelogger never liked gtk-qt-engine anyway | 20:14 | |
apachelogger | way to buggy IMHO | 20:14 |
JontheEchidna | That and gtk-qt-engine now fights with QGtkStyle for control | 20:14 |
apachelogger | *too | 20:14 |
JontheEchidna | and crashes gnome-appearance-properties | 20:14 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: so we were forced into that decision? ;-) | 20:14 |
* ScottK has been using qtcurve happily for some time now. | 20:14 | |
JontheEchidna | somewhat :D | 20:14 |
JontheEchidna | Yeah, it's a pretty good theme. Definitely better than the crap gtk-qt-engine was spitting out | 20:15 |
JontheEchidna | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23765740/qtcurve.png | 20:16 |
JontheEchidna | It even does gtk <-> kde icon mapping and can use the kde color scheme | 20:16 |
apachelogger | hm | 20:16 |
apachelogger | I still don't like how it doesn't blend with the deco | 20:17 |
apachelogger | looks sorta weird | 20:17 |
JontheEchidna | yeah... | 20:17 |
* apachelogger thinks oxygen should not do that effect on the deco if the actual widget is not using Qt | 20:18 | |
JontheEchidna | Kubuntu 9.04 "It doesn't suck so bad" (tm) | 20:18 |
Quintasan | JontheEchidna: QtCurve 0.62? | 20:19 |
JontheEchidna | Quintasan: Yeah | 20:19 |
JontheEchidna | I'm updating to 0.62.2 as we speak though :) | 20:20 |
Quintasan | nice, I like it :) | 20:20 |
apachelogger | hm | 20:20 |
JontheEchidna | It would be nice to have a GTK font and style chooser separate from gtk-qt-engine | 20:20 |
apachelogger | I could probably keep 50 people busy refining the UI all day long ;-) | 20:20 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: fork? | 20:21 |
ScottK | Already had lunch. Thanks. | 20:21 |
JontheEchidna | might be a good idea, since upstream seems dead | 20:21 |
JontheEchidna | lol | 20:21 |
* JontheEchidna puts it on the todo list for 9.10 | 20:21 | |
apachelogger | well, just debundle the kcm really | 20:21 |
apachelogger | besides, there is probably some python lib to read/write .gtkrc files... | 20:22 |
JontheEchidna | and strip out the gtk-qt-engine specific stuff from the kcm | 20:22 |
apachelogger | aye | 20:22 |
apachelogger | or write our own with pykde :P | 20:22 |
JontheEchidna | hehe | 20:23 |
Quintasan | JontheEchidna: Do you have a package or I should make it? :P | 20:23 |
JontheEchidna | Quintasan: for 0.62.2? I'm right about to upload the kde style to kubuntu | 20:23 |
apachelogger | is vorian core dev yet? | 20:24 |
JontheEchidna | after I do a bit o' runtime testing | 20:24 |
JontheEchidna | apachelogger: almost, but rgreening and a|wen are motu | 20:24 |
apachelogger | uh | 20:24 |
* apachelogger motuhugs rgreening and a|wen | 20:24 | |
apachelogger | btw, since it is already march, will I get a kubuntu 9.04 that doesn't constantly render apps useless | 20:25 |
apachelogger | and I mean that render like rendering render :P | 20:25 |
cjwatson | the TB dropped the ball a bit on vorian's core-dev application, sorry - already talked with him on IRC and he's on the agenda for our next meeting | 20:26 |
apachelogger | cjwatson: cool :) | 20:26 |
* JontheEchidna plans on applying for core-dev in karmic | 20:27 | |
apachelogger | hm | 20:28 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: first get some new contributors | 20:29 |
JontheEchidna | apachelogger: Quintasan is starting to become my minion, I think | 20:29 |
JontheEchidna | Oh | 20:29 |
Quintasan | :D | 20:29 |
JontheEchidna | Quintasan: you should put your name down for kubuntu membership consideration for our next meeting | 20:29 |
apachelogger | no private minions! | 20:30 |
Quintasan | JontheEchidna: ok, I will do so. | 20:30 |
JontheEchidna | s/my/our/g | 20:30 |
apachelogger | :wq | 20:30 |
JontheEchidna | lol | 20:30 |
Quintasan | /g? | 20:30 |
JontheEchidna | replace all instances, I think | 20:31 |
JontheEchidna | though I only said my once, lol | 20:31 |
* Quintasan needs to put something on his wiki page | 20:32 | |
* apachelogger votes for Qt ponies | 20:32 | |
* ScottK would settle for a patch to port Klamav to KDE4. | 20:33 | |
JontheEchidna | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | 20:33 |
=== JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Kubuntu Meeting Tuesday March 17 2009 at 17:00 UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | Jaunty Alpha-6 Released! | 8.04.2 Released! | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! | ||
_Groo_ | JontheEchidna: hey john.. already recreated he kdebase with the patch.. konsole and yakuake now work fine :) | 20:38 |
_Groo_ | JontheEchidna: i also made a new kvirc 4.0 package with today svn | 20:39 |
JontheEchidna | kool | 20:39 |
apachelogger | kvirc package for jaunty? | 20:41 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: actually i did it for intrepid, but once i get it on my ppa, it will be for jaunty too | 20:42 |
_Groo_ | btw, for jaunty, should i rename it to kvirc instead of kvirc-kde4? | 20:42 |
JontheEchidna | it might be good if we updated our kvirc svn package for jaunty | 20:42 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: how so? | 20:42 |
JontheEchidna | apachelogger: we haven't updated it in a while | 20:43 |
apachelogger | we are in feature freeze | 20:43 |
JontheEchidna | well if its bugfixes... | 20:43 |
JontheEchidna | it would have to be investigated of course | 20:43 |
apachelogger | and introduces even more at the same time? :P | 20:43 |
lex79 | lol | 20:43 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: well this new kvirc looks much more stable then the latest svn from jaunty | 20:44 |
apachelogger | _look_ doesn't count ;-) | 20:44 |
_Groo_ | which is very old... at least this one doesnt enter a loop and almosts freezes evetyrhing :D | 20:44 |
apachelogger | you need to conduct proper testing | 20:44 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: i know, but old code doesnt count either ;) | 20:44 |
apachelogger | especially in feature freeze | 20:44 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: i agree with you, but freezing a svn package is kinda.. well.. dumb.. | 20:45 |
apachelogger | _Groo_: no it is not | 20:45 |
apachelogger | svn got no QA | 20:45 |
_Groo_ | but a freeze its a freeze :) maybe we can do it after teh release, probably backports | 20:45 |
apachelogger | _Groo_: fix the freeze then | 20:46 |
apachelogger | replacing the whole source tree with a newer revision poses a much greater threat of regression than a patch | 20:46 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: so you are saying that the kvirc in jaunty didnt have QA cause its svn? | 20:46 |
JontheEchidna | Yeah, but it can't get any buggier that it is | 20:47 |
apachelogger | _Groo_: no, I am saying that we are in feature freeze, which is used to conduct QA, if you exchange the product all the QA done until now becomes worthless | 20:47 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: i would normally agree, but the problem is that the svn in jaunty is very old and the new code was changed a lot | 20:47 |
apachelogger | _Groo_: that is the problem | 20:47 |
apachelogger | code change != good code change | 20:47 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: i agree with you... like i said, the best course of action would be to do the update after the release, probably in backports | 20:47 |
apachelogger | well | 20:48 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: again i agree, im just saying doing a patch over the new code is unpratical | 20:48 |
apachelogger | not if there is a serious issue :P | 20:48 |
apachelogger | in which case patching is the best course of action | 20:48 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: ok, so... patching the brains out over about 80% of the code is better then just downloading the new svn, is that it? | 20:49 |
_Groo_ | which would give you the same code? :D | 20:49 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: or do you want to backport just the known bugs in jaunty... which would probably mean backporting part of the new core code.. and so on and so on | 20:49 |
ScottK | apachelogger: Realistically how much QA gets done on Universe packages? | 20:49 |
apachelogger | well | 20:50 |
apachelogger | apprently none | 20:50 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: LOL | 20:50 |
ScottK | We did test this kvirc before it was uploaded. | 20:50 |
apachelogger | if we need to patch 80% of the code to get the package in proper shape | 20:50 |
ScottK | It seemed to work OK then. | 20:50 |
_Groo_ | dont look at me, i dont have universe acess ;) | 20:50 |
apachelogger | I would remove it and reintroduce it for karmic with sensible quality | 20:50 |
dtchen | very slim to none, really - depends whose pets are being discussed | 20:50 |
ScottK | _Groo_: Are you on Intrepid or Jaunty? | 20:51 |
_Groo_ | ScottK: did you tested it with kde 4.2? some changed break kvirc, and introduce a few weird loop bugs.. and i believe the code from jaunty isnt totally qt 4.5 ready | 20:51 |
apachelogger | ScottK: so it must have rotten a lot since then ;-) | 20:51 |
_Groo_ | ScottK: still in intrepid.. gonna change to jaunty when the rc1 gets out | 20:51 |
ScottK | I think we tested it with a 4.2 pre-release. | 20:52 |
ScottK | rgreening might remember. | 20:52 |
_Groo_ | ScottK: when it was qt 4.4 still? or with 4.5 already? | 20:52 |
ScottK | We certainly didn't test with 4.5. It was 4.4 still. | 20:52 |
_Groo_ | ScottK: my point exactly | 20:52 |
ScottK | Which, if they've made changes for 4.5 compatibility, might make a good case for an update. | 20:52 |
apachelogger | agreed | 20:53 |
_Groo_ | if the jaunty version was giving me problem and im on intrepid with qt 4.4 imagine the same code with kde 4.2 and qt 4.5 | 20:53 |
ScottK | _Groo_: Talk to rgreening when he's around. He did the current package and it MOTU now so can take care of sponsoring if it gets approved. | 20:53 |
apachelogger | _Groo_: that means nothing | 20:54 |
apachelogger | kvirc code could have been completely correct but KDE or Qt was bugged and caused the problems | 20:54 |
apachelogger | or X | 20:54 |
apachelogger | or any other part of the stack for that matter ;-) | 20:54 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: just an example from the new code: | 20:56 |
_Groo_ | support for real transparency using compositing under X11 | 20:56 |
_Groo_ | removed old kde3 "krootpixmap" fake transparency | 20:56 |
apachelogger | _Groo_: and that fixes a bug? | 20:57 |
_Groo_ | this one is nice too. | 20:57 |
_Groo_ | ensure that all the modules that creates a window using g_pFrame->addWindow closes the window using g_pFrame->closeWindow (that is a public member by now); This removes some remaining problems regarding mdichilds | 20:57 |
_Groo_ | and so on | 20:57 |
_Groo_ | there are a LOT of entries? patching each one? ouch! | 20:57 |
_Groo_ | i prefer waiting to release a new one after the release | 20:57 |
ScottK | _Groo_: That or ask for a Feature Freeze exception. | 20:58 |
apachelogger | _Groo_: the idea of patching in feature freeze is not to apply all changes, but those that make sense in feature freeze | 20:58 |
_Groo_ | ScottK: and break the pseudo QA so close to a release? | 20:58 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: sure, but kvirc isnt trivial , its a lot of code.. unless some kvirc takes up the task i believe you might be more harm then good | 20:59 |
_Groo_ | might do* | 20:59 |
ScottK | apachelogger: Yes, but if it's update the whole package or nothing because no one volunteers to patch, sometimes wholesale update is the right answer. | 20:59 |
apachelogger | yeah | 20:59 |
apachelogger | I am not saying patching is what ought to be done :P | 20:59 |
* ScottK recalls that sistpoty is a kvirc user and is on Jaunty. | 21:00 | |
ScottK | We should ask him what he thinks. | 21:00 |
apachelogger | I am just suggesting that it is also an option and should be carefully thought about | 21:00 |
ScottK | He's also on motu-release .... | 21:00 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: ScottK: for instance, i did the kubuntu/yakuake bug patch today.. and its working fine... that i can volunteer to help.. but patching kvirc? out of nowhere? | 21:00 |
ScottK | Yes. | 21:00 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: btw, are there any reports about plasma crashing at login in jaunty? | 21:04 |
JontheEchidna | ya, now that alpha freeze is over I suppose I should apply the patch | 21:05 |
JontheEchidna | but I am a bit busy with other things atm | 21:05 |
JontheEchidna | I can get it done later tonight | 21:05 |
apachelogger | ok, just wanted to know if it is only me :) | 21:06 |
apachelogger | plasma is easy enough to restart anyway | 21:06 |
_Groo_ | apachelogger: probably the plasma rc files corrupted.,.. happens from time to time | 21:06 |
apachelogger | no | 21:06 |
JontheEchidna | nah, there was a bug where plasma didn't like the geometry settings in the file and crashed | 21:06 |
apachelogger | it happens at _every_ login | 21:06 |
apachelogger | so unless kds is the problem | 21:06 |
apachelogger | https://edge.launchpad.net/~cuonglb | 21:09 |
JontheEchidna | Riddell: bug 342473 | 21:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 342473 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.62.2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342473 | 21:10 |
JontheEchidna | It also affects gtk2-engines-qtcurve, which I need sponsored now that moted | 21:10 |
JontheEchidna | wow | 21:10 |
JontheEchidna | *that it got promoted | 21:10 |
_Groo_ | gotta go.. bback tomorrow... | 21:11 |
_Groo_ | seeya ppl | 21:11 |
_Groo_ | btw is kubuntu 9.10 coming with the kde4, compiz integration? i mean the qt4 setting to activate compiz in kde4? | 21:12 |
apachelogger | _Groo_: no | 21:12 |
apachelogger | + cya :) | 21:12 |
JontheEchidna | I can safely say that compiz will never again be a supported part of kubuntu | 21:12 |
smarter | compiz is just a hack | 21:12 |
smarter | and a gnome-centric one | 21:13 |
* Quintasan thinks it's time for raptor-menu resync | 21:13 | |
JontheEchidna | In comparison I use KWin's compositing codebase to wash my whites instead of bleach | 21:13 |
smarter | :] | 21:14 |
JontheEchidna | That's why you make it a good wm first and add the compositing system later | 21:18 |
* vorian does not like new qt-curve | 21:24 | |
* smarter just lost some code by using git reset wrongly *again* | 21:25 | |
* smarter headdesks | 21:26 | |
apachelogger | hm | 21:26 |
apachelogger | now that I have catched up on identica | 21:26 |
nhandler | Hey apachelogger, long time no see | 21:26 |
apachelogger | what could I do? | 21:26 |
* nhandler checks if he is following apachelogger on identi.ca | 21:26 | |
apachelogger | play uplink, darwinia, multiwinia, defcon, world of goo? | 21:26 |
apachelogger | or maybe triage some bugs? | 21:26 |
apachelogger | go to bed? | 21:27 |
apachelogger | watch futurama? | 21:27 |
smarter | watch south park? :] | 21:27 |
smarter | (new season just began) | 21:27 |
apachelogger | oh dear | 21:27 |
apachelogger | so many options | 21:27 |
apachelogger | o/ nhandler | 21:27 |
smarter | (and hallo apachelogger btw :)) | 21:27 |
apachelogger | o/ smarter | 21:28 |
nhandler | How are you enjoying your new job? | 21:28 |
smarter | git really is the devil | 21:28 |
apachelogger | nhandler: more like stand ;-) | 21:31 |
apachelogger | hell exhausting psychologically and physiologically | 21:32 |
apachelogger | then again due to my ever changing duty schedule I had monday - wednesday off and thus had time to visit $univeristy in graz and grab a beer with krake and steveire | 21:33 |
nhandler | apachelogger: You see the channel topic? | 21:37 |
* JontheEchidna removes 8.04.2 announcement from the topic since that was a while ago and everybody in here probably doesn't care anymore. Plus it needs room | 21:41 | |
=== JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Kubuntu Meeting Tuesday March 17 2009 at 17:00 UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | Jaunty Alpha-6 Released! | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! | ||
* Quintasan applied for members | 21:43 | |
apachelogger | yay | 21:43 |
apachelogger | nhandler: now I do :D | 21:43 |
apachelogger | darn rendering garbage | 21:43 |
nhandler | I'm a little disappointed that I couldn't make the meeting to give them my +1 :( | 21:44 |
JontheEchidna | I woke up this morning and it was "liek whoa, they're motus" | 21:45 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: really like "liek"? ... weird kind of thinking TBH :P | 21:45 |
JontheEchidna | not rly | 21:46 |
JontheEchidna | i no haz lolcat gammer in my headz | 21:46 |
apachelogger | ok ^_^ | 21:47 |
Quintasan | :D | 21:47 |
* JontheEchidna updates the kubuntu seed for qtcurve | 21:47 | |
cjwatson | qmake is frustrating me | 21:48 |
cjwatson | I have this in mkspecs/common/linux.conf: | 21:48 |
cjwatson | equals(QT_ARCH, powerpc) { | 21:48 |
cjwatson | QMAKE_CFLAGS_RELEASE += -fno-optimize-sibling-calls | 21:48 |
cjwatson | QMAKE_CXXFLAGS_RELEASE += -fno-optimize-sibling-calls | 21:48 |
cjwatson | } | 21:48 |
cjwatson | QT_ARCH is indeed powerpc | 21:48 |
cjwatson | this has no visible effect on CFLAGS | 21:48 |
cjwatson | what am I doing wrong? | 21:49 |
=== LjL is now known as EviljL | ||
apachelogger | cjwatson: did you try without the equals to ensure it has an effect at all? | 21:53 |
cjwatson | ah yes, fair point, that would be it ... | 21:57 |
cjwatson | is QT_ARCH not set at that point or something? | 21:57 |
apachelogger | *shrug* | 21:58 |
apachelogger | those vars might also be the wrong ones | 21:58 |
apachelogger | take a look at mkspecs/default/qmake.conf, which variables are used there | 21:58 |
cjwatson | QT_ARCH is definitely set *somewhere*, and those variables do the right thing once set | 21:58 |
cjwatson | yeah, am ahead of you there | 21:59 |
apachelogger | :) | 21:59 |
cjwatson | I took the variables to set from mkspecs/common/g++.conf | 21:59 |
apachelogger | I am not sure qmake actually processes the .conf files in the usual way, which would explain why qt_arch is not set | 22:00 |
cjwatson | I think that qconfig.pri is loaded *after* linux.conf | 22:01 |
cjwatson | so I might just move this fragment to mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf, right at the end | 22:01 |
apachelogger | sounds sensible to me | 22:02 |
* cjwatson waits for the tedious build process again ... thanks for the help | 22:02 | |
cjwatson | this is slightly more effort than I thought I was signing up for in the relevant release meeting ;-) | 22:04 |
=== EviljL is now known as LjL | ||
JontheEchidna | Riddell: Ok, for gtk2-engines-qtcurve to be finished I'll need bug 342473 sponsored for gtk2-engines-qtcurve, my seed branch to be merged: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/ubuntu-seeds/mykubuntu, and bug 342379 to be sponsored for kubuntu-default-settings | 22:29 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 342473 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.62.2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342473 | 22:29 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 342379 in kubuntu-default-settings "Main Inclusion Request for gtk2-engines-qtcurve/ Use gtk2-engines-qtcurve as the default theme in Kubuntu" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342379 | 22:29 |
nhandler | rgreening: Congrats on becoming a MOTU! | 23:30 |
rgreening | ty. :P | 23:30 |
nhandler | I'm sorry I couldn't make the meeting | 23:30 |
lex79 | rgreening: Congrats :) | 23:31 |
rgreening | lex79: :) now more work.. haha | 23:37 |
lex79 | yeeeees :P | 23:38 |
jtechidna | hehe | 23:41 |
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
JontheEchidna | ~order tea, earl grey, hot | 23:41 |
* kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain JontheEchidna. | 23:41 | |
lex79 | JontheEchidna: " for captain JontheEchidna" LoL | 23:46 |
JontheEchidna | ~order coke for lex79 | 23:59 |
* kubotu slides a cold can of tasty Coca Cola(r) down the bar to lex79. | 23:59 |
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