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JontheEchidnalex79: Sorry I had to step out a bit. kblogger uploading, thanks for your contribuiton to Kubuntu00:00
lex79thx JontheEchidna00:00
* Riddell puts alpha 6 on the website01:22
torkianohello all, i get a lot of interrups from my graphic card (intel 965) in powertop. 3D effects are disabled. Anyone with this problem?04:24
* a|wen waves to everyone06:33
* nixternal waves back06:41
=== nixternal changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Kubuntu Meeting Tuesday March 17 2009 at 17:00 UTC | Jaunty Alpha-6 Released! | 8.04.2 Released! | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!!
=== sfs is now known as _StefanS_
* markey doesn't understand why lately all sorts of users are lamenting over sound problems with kubuntu 8.1009:03
markeywhile it works fine for me09:03
markeywith the very same distro and version09:04
markeyand Phonon-xine09:04
* markey shrugs09:04
markeyaaaaha09:06
markeythese people are using "MediBuntu"09:06
markeywhatever that is09:06
markeyand it seems to be causing breakage09:06
markeythis MediBuntu is not official, is it?09:06
a|wenmarkey: or they have snome installed as well, so pulseaudio is mixing things up for them...09:07
markeyhmm yep09:07
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ScottKa|wen and rgreening: Congratulations.10:10
Lurergreening, a|wen: congrats on joining MOTU club!10:10
LureScottK: yu got me by half second ;-)10:10
a|wenthanks ScottK and Lure :)10:11
Luregood to see Kubuntu family growing with more and more core-dev and motu empowered contributers10:11
Luremarkey: medibuntu is not official, but they typically ship just additional codecs and rebuild of packages with additional dependencies (for example stuff that is in universe/multiverse)10:12
Luremarkey: it may be that this brings in some changes in code (optional compiling) that are less stable10:13
Luremarkey: for me, using medibuntu was always positive (no clear regressions I could attribute to them)10:13
a|wenthere is kubuntu all around :)10:13
markeyLure: well the other day we had one user installing MediBuntu, and that left him with 0 Phonon backends installed ;)10:15
markeyapparently10:15
markey(I can't guarantee that he did it all correctly...)10:15
ScottKMedibuntu is a non-official repo for legally risky packages.  So not a great suprise.10:16
LureScottK: you have more experience with library transitions10:21
LureScottK: is it possible to keep two versions of library in archive if some rdepends cannot work with newer version?10:21
LureScottK: I am talking abut bug 309684 which is stuk due to pyexiv2 rdepends10:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 309684 in exiv2 "Please sync exiv2-0.18 from Debian Experimental" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30968410:22
ScottKLure: For some period, but not generally at release as the older version would be not built from source.10:22
ScottKIf you really need to do this you need to package the new one as a new package.10:22
LureScottK: ok, so no way to have both exiv2 0.17 and 0.18 sources in the archive for Jaunty?10:23
Lurehi Tonio_10:23
ScottKNot without a new separate source package.   This sort of ducplcation is discouraged.10:23
LureTonio_: I see more and more successful Ubuntu deplyments in France!10:23
Tonio_hey guys ;)10:23
Tonio_Lure: ah ?10:23
LureScottK: ok, I understand it now10:24
Tonio_Lure: which other one are you talking about ?10:24
LureTonio_: recent news about French police cost savings10:24
ScottKLure: I'd look for a new version of pyexiv2 that might fix things or contact upstream and ask for help with the transition.10:24
Tonio_Lure: ah yah ;)10:24
Tonio_I work with them atm10:24
LureScottK: upstream is working on 0.2, but it will not be ready for Jaunty + it will impact on two rdepends of pyexiv210:25
Tonio_kaspersky antivirus integration to their ubuntu network...10:25
LureScottK: so new API in C++ is translated in Python and needs fixes in rdepends10:25
ScottKLure: You either need to fix it all or leave it I think.10:25
LureScottK: exactly, which means no 0.18 for Jaunty (no write support for TIFF/RAW :-(( )10:26
* Lure has to run, bbl10:26
ScottKSee you.10:26
Riddella|wen: congratulations!10:26
a|wenthx Riddell!10:27
Tonio_a|wen: just saw the news, well done :)10:29
Tonio_Riddell: hi, any news with k3b on your side ? rgreening reported everything (including dvd burning) worked for him...10:29
Tonio_Riddell: still no dvds to test on y side...10:29
Tonio_Riddell: could you make a test eventually ?10:30
a|wenTonio_: thx10:31
RiddellTonio_: in your PPA?10:45
Tonio_Riddell: tep10:45
Tonio_s/t/y/10:45
seeledid i send out a reminder about the meeting to the kubuntu mailing list yet?10:49
a|wenseele: i got one :)10:50
seeleok10:51
* seele screws her head on tighter10:51
RiddellTonio_: still gets stuck at growisofs10:59
Riddellk3b(25903) K3b::GrowisofsHandler::handleLine: (growisofs)  "About to execute 'builtin_dd if=/dev/fd/0 of=/dev/sr0 obs=32k seek=0'"11:00
Riddellk3b(25903) K3b::GrowisofsHandler::handleLine: (growisofs)  "WARNING: /dev/sr0 already carries isofs!"11:00
JontheEchidnargreening, a|wen: congrats11:59
Riddellrgreening too?11:59
JontheEchidnaYeah, him too :)12:01
rgreening:)12:09
rgreeningRiddell: .. why so shocked :P12:10
JontheEchidnaIt was sorta quick :P12:11
* JontheEchidna throws https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New at rgreening and a|wen12:11
rgreeningI had great mentors :)12:11
jpdsWe did 3 MOTUs and one CD today.12:12
rgreeningwoo-hoo12:12
* ScottK notes https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors to a|wen and rgreening....12:13
rgreeningthansk ScottK and JontheEchidna. Bookmarked :)12:15
rgreeningthanks even12:15
rgreeningok, now, off to work... be back on in a bit...12:16
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Quintasanrgreening and a|wen: grats :)12:22
Riddellrgreening: I just didn't notice it in the scrollback12:23
Riddellrgreening: congratulations!12:23
Tonio_Riddell: hum, I droped my 2 patches to let people test...12:24
Tonio_Riddell: looks like the first one is still needed...12:24
Tonio_Riddell: the point is that the path to your iso is not read, and empty12:25
Tonio_Riddell: looks like something related to a change in qt since the same codebase works with qt3...12:25
Tonio_Riddell: I'll reupload including my patch and will let you know12:25
Tonio_rgreening: hey :) have you been testing burning isos with k3b or only datas ?12:26
QuintasanCan anyone tell me will the ext4 fix (scheduled to release with 2.6.30) will be backported to Ubuntu kernel?12:26
jpdsQuintasan: Better ask in #ubuntu-kernel12:26
Quintasanjpds: ok, thx12:27
QuintasanTonio_: I had problems launching k3b from menu entry, it just didn't work, I've launched it from konsole but it throwed wierd errors like "Malformed URL file:///home/quintasan"12:32
Tonio_Quintasan: which version of k3b and ubuntu ?12:32
Tonio_Quintasan: looks like a local issue :)12:32
QuintasanTonio_: 9.04  k3b 1.0.5+kde4svn935857+really1.0.512:33
Tonio_Quintasan: hum.... testing, lemme have a look12:34
QuintasanTonio_: I've also tried changing the menu entry, but it didn't help12:34
Tonio_Quintasan: okay12:34
Tonio_Quintasan: it looks like it is using an ioslave that won't work with kde4...12:34
Tonio_Quintasan: you probably have some cached entries in your .kde12:34
Tonio_Quintasan: you can try to remove your .kde/share/config/k3brc file12:35
Tonio_Quintasan: and also your .kde/share/apps/k3b/ (if any)12:35
Tonio_Quintasan: can you test this and try to restart from the command line ?12:35
Quintasansure12:35
Tonio_Quintasan: I get no issue here..12:36
QuintasanTonio_: works now :P12:39
QuintasanTonio_: thanks :D12:39
Tonio_quassel251: you're welcome :)12:39
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rgreeningman am I tired12:40
Tonio_Riddell: I'm reuploading an uptodate k3b reincluding that patch12:41
voriancongrats a|wen and rgreening12:42
rgreeningty vorian12:42
QuintasanHi vorian and rgreening :)12:42
vorianhowdy12:42
rgreeningo/ Quintasan12:43
Tonio_rgreening: pin ?12:57
rgreeningTonio_: ?12:58
rgreeningoh, ping :)12:58
rgreeninghaha :P12:58
Tonio_rgreening: about your dvd burning tests, where you burning data or isos ?12:58
rgreeningiso's12:58
Tonio_rgreening: yeah, tired fingers, sorry :)12:58
Tonio_rgreening: okay so it looks like my patches have to stay in for the moment...12:59
Tonio_rgreening: also, any news on the kpackagekit work ? :)12:59
rgreeningongoing12:59
Tonio_rocking :)12:59
rgreeningI need to get some keyboard time with glatzor :)12:59
Tonio_oki13:00
Tonio_rgreening: I have to take some time to go buy rewritable dvds.... so frustrating I can't test atm13:00
Tonio_rgreening: but I have so much work that it's just impossible to go in a shop right now...13:00
Tonio_rgreening: the famous "35 hours" for the french really looks like a legend here....13:01
QuintasanTonio_: I have some, rw's, what should I test?13:01
Tonio_Quintasan: hum, first install my ppa :)13:02
Quintasank13:02
Tonio_Quintasan: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa13:02
Tonio_Quintasan: then wait for the next k3b build to finish, and try to burn an iso dvd...13:03
Tonio_Quintasan: I have 2 patches to make it to work, this upload only contains one, since the second one is very workarroundish :)13:03
Tonio_Quintasan: and please let me know if that works by email at tonio@ubuntu.com13:03
Tonio_Quintasan: thanks by advance :)13:03
QuintasanTonio_: okay13:04
Quintasancrap skim still FTBFS13:04
Tonio_Quintasan: is a kde4 port on the way ?13:05
QuintasanTonio_: dunno, I was wondering why I can't fix the icon bug. vorian told me that it can arch issue but it isn't13:06
QuintasanTonio_: let me chcek :313:06
Tonio_Quintasan: looks like no, still kde3...13:06
Tonio_that's bad :(13:06
Quintasan:/13:06
Tonio_Quintasan: is the ftbfs due to some changes of yours or is the current package ftbfsing ?13:09
QuintasanTonio_: I downloaded the source from repositories made small changes in debian/skim.install and it FTBFS13:09
Tonio_Quintasan: okay I'm trying to build it locally here.... we'll see13:10
Tonio_rm: cannot remove `/tmp/buildd/skim-1.4.5/debian/tmp/usr/share/autostart/skim.desktop': No such file or directory13:12
Tonio_Quintasan: that's what I get13:12
Tonio_Quintasan: same for your ?13:12
QuintasanTonio_: same, but vorian mentioned that13:13
Quintasanscons: *** [utils/libscim-kdeutils.la] TypeError : cannot concatenate 'str' and 'list' objects13:13
Quintasanis the actual problem13:13
QuintasanIf you comment the rm line in rules it will throw the same error13:13
vorianQuintasan: what did i mention?13:15
Quintasanvorian: about the skim compile error :P13:16
Tonio_looks like not easy to fix though...13:17
Tonio_Quintasan: afaics, that requires patching the code... My python knowledge is way too limited to help on that point :/ sorry !13:19
QuintasanNo problems, my python knowledge = 0 so no big deal :313:21
Tonio_Quintasan: in any case, hard to patch an unmaintained app using an unmaintained build system and a deprecated python version ;)13:24
Tonio_Quintasan: my ppa is up to date, you can go for a burning test ;)13:24
Tonio_Quintasan: I insist on testing iso dvd, not cd iso, since that's known to work :)13:25
Quintasankk, have lots of dvd for er... burning linux distros ;)13:25
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Nightrosehttp://www.kde.org/.13:27
Nightrosehow can i unsubscribe from those?13:27
Nightrosei get way too many bugmails :/13:28
* Tonio_ dreams of the day he can avoids dvds and use pxe boot to install whatever he wants within internet :)13:29
Tonio_but that's unlikelly to happen :/13:29
Tonio_though technically this is possible I think... as long as you have a pxe configured dhcp server, it could work...13:30
QuintasanTonio_: "Welcome" message was "Mp3 decoder not found" :D13:37
Tonio_Quintasan: yeah I have to patch that one :)13:37
QuintasanTonio_: burned13:40
QuintasanTonio_: I'll go with a bigger one now13:41
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
JontheEchidnaPretty sweet screenshot tour: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-9-04-Alpha-6-Screenshot-Tour-106631.shtml13:42
QuintasanTonio_: works for me :313:44
* Quintasan rembered he should sent a mail to Tonio13:44
RiddellLure: what's the status of the digikam MIRs?13:44
LureRiddell: lensfun is in main (digikam depend), I gave up on opencv (no RedEyesRemoval batch plugin in KIPI)13:53
RiddellLure: I'll set it to done in the ToDo page then13:53
LureRiddell: right, I forgot to update it there13:53
Lureand I will have to give up on exiv2 0.18 too :-(13:54
cernuiLure: what problems did you have with opencv?13:57
Lurecernui: too many warnings to fix: see bug 32452313:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 324523 in opencv "Main inclusion request for OpenCV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32452313:59
cernuiAnyways, using opencv for a simple red eyes removal is not so logical, except that more advanced filters are planned14:00
cernuiOh ok, it uses a trained red eye recognition, so it's not that simple14:05
Tonio_Quintasan: great14:07
Tonio_Riddell: looks like the new ppa upload will let you burn a dvd :)14:08
vorianQuintasan: please see my comment on your -klicker application on REVU14:22
Quintasanvorian: the widgeR one? :)14:42
Quintasanvorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-klicker14:43
* Quintasan is off for 45 minutes14:43
LureTonio_: k3b hangs on 100% ISO write on my USB writer15:05
Riddellallee: did we decide what to do with kblueplugd?15:25
RiddellJontheEchidna: QtCurve update is fine with me15:30
RiddellJontheEchidna: do you havfe an opinion on using qtcurve in place of gtk-qt-engine?15:30
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I would use it in place of gtk-qt-engine. It's not exactly like Oxygen, but it is quite similar and has way less bugs15:31
alleeRiddell: not really.  kbluetooth crashes and there is/was still no dbg sym pkg for amd64.   When kbluetoothd  crashes on bt-adpater-switche-off   is fixed  kblueplugd can go, with the crash we need it to restart it to restart kbluetoothd15:31
JontheEchidnaPlus now gtk-qt-engine is doing its fight for control with QGtkStyle and causing gnome-appearance-properties headaches15:32
JontheEchidnaand headaches for gnome-appearance-properties triagers ;-)15:32
RiddellJontheEchidna: fancy writing a MIR?15:33
alleeRiddel: I've a one line patch that replaces dcop tool with qdbus tool but there no real need for dbus stop command when kbt crashes15:33
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Sure, I can do that15:33
RiddellJontheEchidna: thanks15:34
JontheEchidnaYou're welcome15:35
Riddellallee: mm, I guess we should use that one line patch anyway in the hope that the crash will be fixed at osome point15:35
Riddellallee: reading what you say again it doesn't seem to matter either way15:36
alleeRiddel: yes :)15:36
JontheEchidnaRiddell: so now do I have an ack to upload both the gtk2-engines-qtcurve package and kde-style-qtcurve or just the kde one?15:37
RiddellJontheEchidna: all15:38
LureTonio_, Riddell: k3b actually completed burn of iso correclty, just the UI hung after burn (at 100%) :-(15:39
JontheEchidnaRiddell: oh-kay!15:40
JontheEchidnaUp they go15:40
Riddellwhee15:40
JontheEchidnabbiab, lunch tiem15:53
_Groo_hi/2 all..17:39
_Groo_any devs alive? :)17:39
JontheEchidnaRiddell: bug 34237917:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 342379 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve "Main Inclusion Request for gtk2-engines-qtcurve" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34237917:42
_Groo_HI JontheEchidna17:43
JontheEchidnaHi17:43
_Groo_JontheEchidna: can you tell me if the konsole/yakuake bug will be backported in the experimental PPA?17:43
JontheEchidnaIt would probably be backported before it could move to intrepid-backports17:44
_Groo_JontheEchidna: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17154417:44
ubottuKDE bug 171544 in general "Invisible terminal - Manual split terminal don't show up" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]17:44
JontheEchidnaso maybe eventually, but it's not a super-high priority17:44
JontheEchidnaWe are freaking out with getting 9.04 ready for release ;-)17:45
_Groo_hi JontheEchidna, sorry, kvirc crashed on me17:55
JontheEchidna[13:44:52] <JontheEchidna> so maybe eventually, but it's not a super-high priority17:56
JontheEchidna[13:45:13] <JontheEchidna> We are freaking out with getting 9.04 ready for release ;-)17:56
_Groo_JontheEchidna: so, how can i add the patches into kdebase? i just need to know how to extract the exact patch from kde svn17:56
_Groo_the rest is up to me.. i can send you the diffs after i tested it if you want17:56
JontheEchidnahttp://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.2/kdebase/apps/konsole/src/ViewContainer.cpp?r1=937339&r2=937338&pathrev=937339&view=patch17:57
_Groo_last question, whats the same command via svn comannd line?17:59
JontheEchidnai dunno, lol18:00
_Groo_lol ok :D18:01
_Groo_i need two patches18:01
jjesseis it possible to install the amarok2 in intrepid? is the package amaork2?  do i need a ppa for it?18:10
vorianjjesse: its' just amarok18:10
jjessehrmm ok18:10
Nightrosein intrepid it is amarok-kde4 no?18:10
vorianor18:10
vorianpfft18:10
jjessehrmm amarok is kde 3.5 version18:10
* vorian missed the intrepid bit18:10
vorianjjesse: if you use the experimental ppa, it's amarok-kde418:11
voriandoh, or just amarok18:12
* vorian should just be quiet18:12
* Nightrose hugs vorian ;-)18:13
Nightrosefound it jjesse?18:13
jjesseoh ok, in the experimential ppa18:13
jjessewhat's the address for that?18:13
vorianhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa18:14
_Groo_seeya all later18:15
jjesseok so what package is it now in the experiment?18:18
vorianit's just the only way to get it in intrepid18:19
jjesseok18:19
macoindirectly related to development: is ubuntu applying to be a mentor org for Summer of Code this year?18:46
maco(google just announced 10 minutes til close of applications)18:50
JontheEchidnaWow, I've never had an MIR approved in an hour before18:54
siekaczhi18:59
JontheEchidnaRiddell: how does one go about updating the desktop seed? Pitti asked me to do it and I don't really know what to do...18:59
siekaczi have a very strange problem with plasmoids(kde 4.2.0 from ubuntu backports)19:00
siekaczi can install them, but i'm not able to run it19:00
cjwatsoncategory: things I might be able to work out eventually, but a Kubuntu hacker can probably do it in half the time19:02
siekaczi see only "Cold not find requested component: xxx "19:02
cjwatsonI'm looking at the qt4-x11 build failure on powerpc, and it looks like it can be worked around by building qstring.cpp with different optimisation flags19:02
cjwatsonis there a reasonable way to tell qmake to build a single file with different CFLAGS?19:02
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Quintasan\o19:11
cjwatsonalternatively, will anyone mind if I build qt4-x11 with -O2 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls across the board on powerpc? it doesn't seem to me as though qmake actually supports per-file CFLAGS sanely19:18
JontheEchidnaI guess that's better than not building19:23
lex79JontheEchidna: qtcurve 0.62.2 is out :)19:29
knusperfroschanyone else with problems booting jaunty a6 on i386?19:33
Tm_Twhat kind of problems?19:35
=== rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3
knusperfroschdoesnt boot19:39
knusperfroschchoose something from the bootmenue, cpufan produces noise, nothing happens on the screen19:40
JontheEchidnalex79: lol19:43
lex79eheheh19:44
JontheEchidnaSince it's most likely a bugfix-only release compared to what we have I can just file a bug and then upload ^.^19:44
JontheEchidnaWEll, not for gtk2-engines-qtcurve since it just got promoted, lol19:45
lex79yes, it is a bug fix release19:47
* JontheEchidna prepares an update19:48
lex79firefox is better with 0.62 \o/19:48
RiddellJontheEchidna: seeds are in bzr19:49
Riddellon launchpad under ubuntu-seeds project19:49
JontheEchidnalex79: That's the dream :-)19:49
Riddellget the kubuntu one, edit desktop and push somewhere, then get someone in core-dev to merge in19:49
JontheEchidnaI guess we'll be wanting a gtkrc with qtcurve set in k-d-s too?19:50
cumulus007wooow, KDE is MUCH faaster since the last updates19:55
JontheEchidnaWhat got updated that made such a difference?20:00
RiddellJontheEchidna: yes you'll need to work out how to set that20:05
RiddellJontheEchidna: also you should remove the depends from gtk-qtcurve like we do with gtk-qt-engine so it doesn't bring lots of gtk stuff onto the CD20:05
JontheEchidnaAh, since it needs only gtk this shouldn't be a problem like it was with gtk-qt-engine20:06
JontheEchidnasince installing gtk stuff will bring in the only thing it needs20:06
JontheEchidnagtk20:06
JontheEchidnaexcellent20:06
Riddellyep20:08
apacheloggerit's not even funny how untranslated kubuntu stuff is20:10
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: all that even after vorian got spammed with > 13,000 translation import success emails?20:11
JontheEchidna:(20:11
apacheloggerwell20:11
* JontheEchidna only got spammed with 500 emails20:11
apachelogger_our_ stuff20:11
JontheEchidnaoh, like the help menu entries20:11
JontheEchidnaand custom apps20:12
apachelogger+ I find that import mail stuff so incredibly bad implemented it is not funny either20:12
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also the additional note about kubuntu translations coming from launchpad20:12
cjwatsonyou're not the only one, pretty much everyone dogpiled on the relevant LP developers - it's getting fixed20:12
apachelogger...like there were any...20:12
cjwatsonargh, why doesn't cdbs-edit-patch work on qt4-x11?20:12
cjwatsonstupid thing bails out with cp: cannot open `./.pc/16_hide_std_symbols_on_qtwebkit.diff/src/3rdparty/webkit/symbols.filter' for reading: Permission denied20:12
JontheEchidnavorian got 300,000 karma out of the deal too20:12
apacheloggercjwatson: most likely Riddell screwed up the patch stack again :P20:13
cjwatsonoh, oops, it's patchsys-quilt20:13
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: btw, we're burning gtk-qt-engine with fire and using gtk2-engines-qtcurve since it now looks Sorta Oxygenish (tm)20:13
cjwatsonok, I can deal with that20:13
apachelogger<3 quilt20:13
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: sensible thing to do20:14
* apachelogger never liked gtk-qt-engine anyway20:14
apacheloggerway to buggy IMHO20:14
JontheEchidnaThat and gtk-qt-engine now fights with QGtkStyle for control20:14
apachelogger*too20:14
JontheEchidnaand crashes gnome-appearance-properties20:14
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: so we were forced into that decision? ;-)20:14
* ScottK has been using qtcurve happily for some time now.20:14
JontheEchidnasomewhat :D20:14
JontheEchidnaYeah, it's a pretty good theme. Definitely better than the crap gtk-qt-engine was spitting out20:15
JontheEchidnahttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/23765740/qtcurve.png20:16
JontheEchidnaIt even does gtk <-> kde icon mapping and can use the kde color scheme20:16
apacheloggerhm20:16
apacheloggerI still don't like how it doesn't blend with the deco20:17
apacheloggerlooks sorta weird20:17
JontheEchidnayeah...20:17
* apachelogger thinks oxygen should not do that effect on the deco if the actual widget is not using Qt20:18
JontheEchidnaKubuntu 9.04 "It doesn't suck so bad" (tm)20:18
QuintasanJontheEchidna: QtCurve 0.62?20:19
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: Yeah20:19
JontheEchidnaI'm updating to 0.62.2 as we speak though :)20:20
Quintasannice, I like it :)20:20
apacheloggerhm20:20
JontheEchidnaIt would be nice to have a GTK font and style chooser separate from gtk-qt-engine20:20
apacheloggerI could probably keep 50 people busy refining the UI all day long ;-)20:20
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: fork?20:21
ScottKAlready had lunch.  Thanks.20:21
JontheEchidnamight be a good idea, since upstream seems dead20:21
JontheEchidnalol20:21
* JontheEchidna puts it on the todo list for 9.1020:21
apacheloggerwell, just debundle the kcm really20:21
apacheloggerbesides, there is probably some python lib to read/write .gtkrc files...20:22
JontheEchidnaand strip out the gtk-qt-engine specific stuff from the kcm20:22
apacheloggeraye20:22
apacheloggeror write our own with pykde :P20:22
JontheEchidnahehe20:23
QuintasanJontheEchidna: Do you have a package or I should make it? :P20:23
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: for 0.62.2? I'm right about to upload the kde style to kubuntu20:23
apacheloggeris vorian core dev yet?20:24
JontheEchidnaafter I do a bit o' runtime testing20:24
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: almost, but rgreening and a|wen are motu20:24
apacheloggeruh20:24
* apachelogger motuhugs rgreening and a|wen20:24
apacheloggerbtw, since it is already march, will I get a kubuntu 9.04 that doesn't constantly render apps useless20:25
apacheloggerand I mean that render like rendering render :P20:25
cjwatsonthe TB dropped the ball a bit on vorian's core-dev application, sorry - already talked with him on IRC and he's on the agenda for our next meeting20:26
apacheloggercjwatson: cool :)20:26
* JontheEchidna plans on applying for core-dev in karmic20:27
apacheloggerhm20:28
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: first get some new contributors20:29
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: Quintasan is starting to become my minion, I think20:29
JontheEchidnaOh20:29
Quintasan:D20:29
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: you should put your name down for kubuntu membership consideration for our next meeting20:29
apacheloggerno private minions!20:30
QuintasanJontheEchidna: ok, I will do so.20:30
JontheEchidnas/my/our/g20:30
apachelogger:wq20:30
JontheEchidnalol20:30
Quintasan /g?20:30
JontheEchidnareplace all instances, I think20:31
JontheEchidnathough I only said my once, lol20:31
* Quintasan needs to put something on his wiki page20:32
* apachelogger votes for Qt ponies20:32
* ScottK would settle for a patch to port Klamav to KDE4.20:33
JontheEchidnahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings20:33
=== JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Kubuntu Meeting Tuesday March 17 2009 at 17:00 UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | Jaunty Alpha-6 Released! | 8.04.2 Released! | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!!
_Groo_JontheEchidna: hey john.. already recreated he kdebase with the patch.. konsole and yakuake now work fine :)20:38
_Groo_JontheEchidna: i also made a new kvirc 4.0 package with today svn20:39
JontheEchidnakool20:39
apacheloggerkvirc package for jaunty?20:41
_Groo_apachelogger: actually i did it for intrepid, but once i get it on my ppa, it will be for jaunty too20:42
_Groo_btw, for jaunty, should i rename it to kvirc instead of kvirc-kde4?20:42
JontheEchidnait might be good if we updated our kvirc svn package for jaunty20:42
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: how so?20:42
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: we haven't updated it in a while20:43
apacheloggerwe are in feature freeze20:43
JontheEchidnawell if its bugfixes...20:43
JontheEchidnait would have to be investigated of course20:43
apacheloggerand introduces even more at the same time? :P20:43
lex79lol20:43
_Groo_apachelogger: well this new kvirc looks much more stable then the latest svn from jaunty20:44
apachelogger_look_ doesn't count ;-)20:44
_Groo_which is very old... at least this one doesnt enter a loop and almosts freezes evetyrhing :D20:44
apacheloggeryou need to conduct proper testing20:44
_Groo_apachelogger: i know, but old code doesnt count either ;)20:44
apacheloggerespecially in feature freeze20:44
_Groo_apachelogger: i agree with you, but freezing a svn package is kinda.. well.. dumb..20:45
apachelogger_Groo_: no it is not20:45
apacheloggersvn got no QA20:45
_Groo_but a freeze its a freeze :) maybe we can do it after teh release, probably backports20:45
apachelogger_Groo_: fix the freeze then20:46
apacheloggerreplacing the whole source tree with a newer revision poses a much greater threat of regression than a patch20:46
_Groo_apachelogger: so you are saying that the kvirc in jaunty didnt have QA cause its svn?20:46
JontheEchidnaYeah, but it can't get any buggier that it is20:47
apachelogger_Groo_: no, I am saying that we are in feature freeze, which is used to conduct QA, if you exchange the product all the QA done until now becomes worthless20:47
_Groo_apachelogger: i would normally agree, but the problem is that the svn in jaunty is very old and the new code was changed a lot20:47
apachelogger_Groo_: that is the problem20:47
apacheloggercode change != good code change20:47
_Groo_apachelogger: i agree with you... like i said, the best course of action would be to do the update after the release, probably in backports20:47
apacheloggerwell20:48
_Groo_apachelogger: again i agree, im just saying doing a patch over the new code is unpratical20:48
apacheloggernot if there is a serious issue :P20:48
apacheloggerin which case patching is the best course of action20:48
_Groo_apachelogger: ok, so... patching the brains out over about 80% of the code is better then just downloading the new svn, is that it?20:49
_Groo_which would give you the same code? :D20:49
_Groo_apachelogger: or do you want to backport just the known bugs in jaunty... which would probably mean backporting part of the new core code.. and so on and so on20:49
ScottKapachelogger: Realistically how much QA gets done on Universe packages?20:49
apacheloggerwell20:50
apacheloggerapprently none20:50
_Groo_apachelogger: LOL20:50
ScottKWe did test this kvirc before it was uploaded.20:50
apacheloggerif we need to patch 80% of the code to get the package in proper shape20:50
ScottKIt seemed to work OK then.20:50
_Groo_dont look at me, i dont have universe acess ;)20:50
apacheloggerI would remove it and reintroduce it for karmic with sensible quality20:50
dtchenvery slim to none, really - depends whose pets are being discussed20:50
ScottK_Groo_: Are you on Intrepid or Jaunty?20:51
_Groo_ScottK: did you tested it with kde 4.2? some changed break kvirc, and introduce a few weird loop bugs.. and i believe the code from jaunty isnt totally qt 4.5 ready20:51
apacheloggerScottK: so it must have rotten a lot since then ;-)20:51
_Groo_ScottK: still in intrepid.. gonna change to jaunty when the rc1 gets out20:51
ScottKI think we tested it with a 4.2 pre-release.20:52
ScottKrgreening might remember.20:52
_Groo_ScottK: when it was qt 4.4 still? or with 4.5 already?20:52
ScottKWe certainly didn't test with 4.5.  It was 4.4 still.20:52
_Groo_ScottK: my point exactly20:52
ScottKWhich, if they've made changes for 4.5 compatibility, might make a good case for an update.20:52
apacheloggeragreed20:53
_Groo_if the jaunty version was giving me problem  and im on intrepid with qt 4.4 imagine the same code with kde 4.2 and qt 4.520:53
ScottK_Groo_: Talk to rgreening when he's around.  He did the current package and it MOTU now so can take care of sponsoring if it gets approved.20:53
apachelogger_Groo_: that means nothing20:54
apacheloggerkvirc code could have been completely correct but KDE or Qt was bugged and caused the problems20:54
apacheloggeror X20:54
apacheloggeror any other part of the stack for that matter ;-)20:54
_Groo_apachelogger: just an example from the new code:20:56
_Groo_support for real transparency using compositing under X1120:56
_Groo_removed old kde3 "krootpixmap" fake transparency20:56
apachelogger_Groo_: and that fixes a bug?20:57
_Groo_this one is nice too.20:57
_Groo_ensure that all the modules that creates a window using g_pFrame->addWindow closes the window using g_pFrame->closeWindow (that is a public member by now); This removes some remaining problems regarding mdichilds20:57
_Groo_and so on20:57
_Groo_there are a LOT of entries? patching each one? ouch!20:57
_Groo_i prefer waiting to release a new one after the release20:57
ScottK_Groo_: That or ask for a Feature Freeze exception.20:58
apachelogger_Groo_: the idea of patching in feature freeze is not to apply all changes, but those that make sense in feature freeze20:58
_Groo_ScottK: and break the pseudo QA so close to a release?20:58
_Groo_apachelogger: sure, but kvirc isnt trivial , its a lot of code.. unless some kvirc takes up the task i believe you might be more harm then good20:59
_Groo_might do*20:59
ScottKapachelogger: Yes, but if it's update the whole package or nothing because no one volunteers to patch, sometimes wholesale update is the right answer.20:59
apacheloggeryeah20:59
apacheloggerI am not saying patching is what ought to be done :P20:59
* ScottK recalls that sistpoty is a kvirc user and is on Jaunty.21:00
ScottKWe should ask him what he thinks.21:00
apacheloggerI am just suggesting that it is also an option and should be carefully thought about21:00
ScottKHe's also on motu-release ....21:00
_Groo_apachelogger: ScottK: for instance, i did the kubuntu/yakuake bug patch today.. and its working fine... that i can volunteer to help.. but patching kvirc? out of nowhere?21:00
ScottKYes.21:00
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: btw, are there any reports about plasma crashing at login in jaunty?21:04
JontheEchidnaya, now that alpha freeze is over I suppose I should apply the patch21:05
JontheEchidnabut I am a bit busy with other things atm21:05
JontheEchidnaI can get it done later tonight21:05
apacheloggerok, just wanted to know if it is only me :)21:06
apacheloggerplasma is easy enough to restart anyway21:06
_Groo_apachelogger: probably the plasma rc files corrupted.,.. happens from time to time21:06
apacheloggerno21:06
JontheEchidnanah, there was a bug where plasma didn't like the geometry settings in the file and crashed21:06
apacheloggerit happens at _every_ login21:06
apacheloggerso unless kds is the problem21:06
apacheloggerhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~cuonglb21:09
JontheEchidnaRiddell: bug 34247321:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 342473 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.62.2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34247321:10
JontheEchidnaIt also affects gtk2-engines-qtcurve, which I need sponsored now that moted21:10
JontheEchidnawow21:10
JontheEchidna*that it got promoted21:10
_Groo_gotta go.. bback tomorrow...21:11
_Groo_seeya ppl21:11
_Groo_btw is kubuntu 9.10 coming with the kde4, compiz integration? i mean the qt4 setting to activate compiz in kde4?21:12
apachelogger_Groo_: no21:12
apachelogger+ cya :)21:12
JontheEchidnaI can safely say that compiz will never again be a supported part of kubuntu21:12
smartercompiz is just a hack21:12
smarterand a gnome-centric one21:13
* Quintasan thinks it's time for raptor-menu resync21:13
JontheEchidnaIn comparison I use KWin's compositing codebase to wash my whites instead of bleach21:13
smarter:]21:14
JontheEchidnaThat's why you make it a good wm first and add the compositing system later21:18
* vorian does not like new qt-curve21:24
* smarter just lost some code by using git reset wrongly *again*21:25
* smarter headdesks21:26
apacheloggerhm21:26
apacheloggernow that I have catched up on identica21:26
nhandlerHey apachelogger, long time no see21:26
apacheloggerwhat could I do?21:26
* nhandler checks if he is following apachelogger on identi.ca21:26
apacheloggerplay uplink, darwinia, multiwinia, defcon, world of goo?21:26
apacheloggeror maybe triage some bugs?21:26
apacheloggergo to bed?21:27
apacheloggerwatch futurama?21:27
smarterwatch south park? :]21:27
smarter(new season just began)21:27
apacheloggeroh dear21:27
apacheloggerso many options21:27
apacheloggero/ nhandler21:27
smarter(and hallo apachelogger btw :))21:27
apacheloggero/ smarter21:28
nhandlerHow are you enjoying your new job?21:28
smartergit really is the devil21:28
apacheloggernhandler: more like stand ;-)21:31
apacheloggerhell exhausting psychologically and physiologically21:32
apacheloggerthen again due to my ever changing duty schedule I had monday - wednesday off and thus had time to visit $univeristy in graz and grab a beer with krake and steveire21:33
nhandlerapachelogger: You see the channel topic?21:37
* JontheEchidna removes 8.04.2 announcement from the topic since that was a while ago and everybody in here probably doesn't care anymore. Plus it needs room21:41
=== JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Kubuntu Meeting Tuesday March 17 2009 at 17:00 UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | Jaunty Alpha-6 Released! | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!!
* Quintasan applied for members21:43
apacheloggeryay21:43
apacheloggernhandler: now I do :D21:43
apacheloggerdarn rendering garbage21:43
nhandlerI'm a little disappointed that I couldn't make the meeting to give them my +1 :(21:44
JontheEchidnaI woke up this morning and it was "liek whoa, they're motus"21:45
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: really like "liek"? ... weird kind of thinking TBH :P21:45
JontheEchidnanot rly21:46
JontheEchidnai no haz lolcat gammer in my headz21:46
apacheloggerok ^_^21:47
Quintasan:D21:47
* JontheEchidna updates the kubuntu seed for qtcurve21:47
cjwatsonqmake is frustrating me21:48
cjwatsonI have this in mkspecs/common/linux.conf:21:48
cjwatsonequals(QT_ARCH, powerpc) {21:48
cjwatson    QMAKE_CFLAGS_RELEASE   += -fno-optimize-sibling-calls21:48
cjwatson    QMAKE_CXXFLAGS_RELEASE += -fno-optimize-sibling-calls21:48
cjwatson}21:48
cjwatsonQT_ARCH is indeed powerpc21:48
cjwatsonthis has no visible effect on CFLAGS21:48
cjwatsonwhat am I doing wrong?21:49
=== LjL is now known as EviljL
apacheloggercjwatson: did you try without the equals to ensure it has an effect at all?21:53
cjwatsonah yes, fair point, that would be it ...21:57
cjwatsonis QT_ARCH not set at that point or something?21:57
apachelogger*shrug*21:58
apacheloggerthose vars might also be the wrong ones21:58
apacheloggertake a look at mkspecs/default/qmake.conf, which variables are used there21:58
cjwatsonQT_ARCH is definitely set *somewhere*, and those variables do the right thing once set21:58
cjwatsonyeah, am ahead of you there21:59
apachelogger:)21:59
cjwatsonI took the variables to set from mkspecs/common/g++.conf21:59
apacheloggerI am not sure qmake actually processes the .conf files in the usual way, which would explain why qt_arch is not set22:00
cjwatsonI think that qconfig.pri is loaded *after* linux.conf22:01
cjwatsonso I might just move this fragment to mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf, right at the end22:01
apacheloggersounds sensible to me22:02
* cjwatson waits for the tedious build process again ... thanks for the help22:02
cjwatsonthis is slightly more effort than I thought I was signing up for in the relevant release meeting ;-)22:04
=== EviljL is now known as LjL
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Ok, for gtk2-engines-qtcurve to be finished I'll need bug 342473 sponsored for gtk2-engines-qtcurve, my seed branch to be merged: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/ubuntu-seeds/mykubuntu, and bug 342379 to be sponsored for kubuntu-default-settings22:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 342473 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.62.2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34247322:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 342379 in kubuntu-default-settings "Main Inclusion Request for gtk2-engines-qtcurve/ Use gtk2-engines-qtcurve as the default theme in Kubuntu" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34237922:29
nhandlerrgreening: Congrats on becoming a MOTU!23:30
rgreeningty. :P23:30
nhandlerI'm sorry I couldn't make the meeting23:30
lex79rgreening: Congrats :)23:31
rgreeninglex79: :) now more work.. haha23:37
lex79yeeeees :P23:38
jtechidnahehe23:41
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
JontheEchidna~order tea, earl grey, hot23:41
* kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain JontheEchidna.23:41
lex79JontheEchidna: " for captain JontheEchidna" LoL23:46
JontheEchidna~order coke for lex7923:59
* kubotu slides a cold can of tasty Coca Cola(r) down the bar to lex79.23:59

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