[00:00] lex79: Sorry I had to step out a bit. kblogger uploading, thanks for your contribuiton to Kubuntu [00:00] thx JontheEchidna [01:22] * Riddell puts alpha 6 on the website [04:24] hello all, i get a lot of interrups from my graphic card (intel 965) in powertop. 3D effects are disabled. Anyone with this problem? [06:33] * a|wen waves to everyone [06:41] * nixternal waves back === nixternal changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Kubuntu Meeting Tuesday March 17 2009 at 17:00 UTC | Jaunty Alpha-6 Released! | 8.04.2 Released! | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! === sfs is now known as _StefanS_ [09:03] * markey doesn't understand why lately all sorts of users are lamenting over sound problems with kubuntu 8.10 [09:03] while it works fine for me [09:04] with the very same distro and version [09:04] and Phonon-xine [09:04] * markey shrugs [09:06] aaaaha [09:06] these people are using "MediBuntu" [09:06] whatever that is [09:06] and it seems to be causing breakage [09:06] this MediBuntu is not official, is it? [09:07] markey: or they have snome installed as well, so pulseaudio is mixing things up for them... [09:07] hmm yep === mpt_ is now known as mpt [10:10] a|wen and rgreening: Congratulations. [10:10] rgreening, a|wen: congrats on joining MOTU club! [10:10] ScottK: yu got me by half second ;-) [10:11] thanks ScottK and Lure :) [10:11] good to see Kubuntu family growing with more and more core-dev and motu empowered contributers [10:12] markey: medibuntu is not official, but they typically ship just additional codecs and rebuild of packages with additional dependencies (for example stuff that is in universe/multiverse) [10:13] markey: it may be that this brings in some changes in code (optional compiling) that are less stable [10:13] markey: for me, using medibuntu was always positive (no clear regressions I could attribute to them) [10:13] there is kubuntu all around :) [10:15] Lure: well the other day we had one user installing MediBuntu, and that left him with 0 Phonon backends installed ;) [10:15] apparently [10:15] (I can't guarantee that he did it all correctly...) [10:16] Medibuntu is a non-official repo for legally risky packages. So not a great suprise. [10:21] ScottK: you have more experience with library transitions [10:21] ScottK: is it possible to keep two versions of library in archive if some rdepends cannot work with newer version? [10:22] ScottK: I am talking abut bug 309684 which is stuk due to pyexiv2 rdepends [10:22] Launchpad bug 309684 in exiv2 "Please sync exiv2-0.18 from Debian Experimental" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309684 [10:22] Lure: For some period, but not generally at release as the older version would be not built from source. [10:22] If you really need to do this you need to package the new one as a new package. [10:23] ScottK: ok, so no way to have both exiv2 0.17 and 0.18 sources in the archive for Jaunty? [10:23] hi Tonio_ [10:23] Not without a new separate source package. This sort of ducplcation is discouraged. [10:23] Tonio_: I see more and more successful Ubuntu deplyments in France! [10:23] hey guys ;) [10:23] Lure: ah ? [10:24] ScottK: ok, I understand it now [10:24] Lure: which other one are you talking about ? [10:24] Tonio_: recent news about French police cost savings [10:24] Lure: I'd look for a new version of pyexiv2 that might fix things or contact upstream and ask for help with the transition. [10:24] Lure: ah yah ;) [10:24] I work with them atm [10:25] ScottK: upstream is working on 0.2, but it will not be ready for Jaunty + it will impact on two rdepends of pyexiv2 [10:25] kaspersky antivirus integration to their ubuntu network... [10:25] ScottK: so new API in C++ is translated in Python and needs fixes in rdepends [10:25] Lure: You either need to fix it all or leave it I think. [10:26] ScottK: exactly, which means no 0.18 for Jaunty (no write support for TIFF/RAW :-(( ) [10:26] * Lure has to run, bbl [10:26] See you. [10:26] a|wen: congratulations! [10:27] thx Riddell! [10:29] a|wen: just saw the news, well done :) [10:29] Riddell: hi, any news with k3b on your side ? rgreening reported everything (including dvd burning) worked for him... [10:29] Riddell: still no dvds to test on y side... [10:30] Riddell: could you make a test eventually ? [10:31] Tonio_: thx [10:45] Tonio_: in your PPA? [10:45] Riddell: tep [10:45] s/t/y/ [10:49] did i send out a reminder about the meeting to the kubuntu mailing list yet? [10:50] seele: i got one :) [10:51] ok [10:51] * seele screws her head on tighter [10:59] Tonio_: still gets stuck at growisofs [11:00] k3b(25903) K3b::GrowisofsHandler::handleLine: (growisofs) "About to execute 'builtin_dd if=/dev/fd/0 of=/dev/sr0 obs=32k seek=0'" [11:00] k3b(25903) K3b::GrowisofsHandler::handleLine: (growisofs) "WARNING: /dev/sr0 already carries isofs!" [11:59] rgreening, a|wen: congrats [11:59] rgreening too? [12:01] Yeah, him too :) [12:09] :) [12:10] Riddell: .. why so shocked :P [12:11] It was sorta quick :P [12:11] * JontheEchidna throws https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New at rgreening and a|wen [12:11] I had great mentors :) [12:12] We did 3 MOTUs and one CD today. [12:12] woo-hoo [12:13] * ScottK notes https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors to a|wen and rgreening.... [12:15] thansk ScottK and JontheEchidna. Bookmarked :) [12:15] thanks even [12:16] ok, now, off to work... be back on in a bit... === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [12:22] rgreening and a|wen: grats :) [12:23] rgreening: I just didn't notice it in the scrollback [12:23] rgreening: congratulations! [12:24] Riddell: hum, I droped my 2 patches to let people test... [12:24] Riddell: looks like the first one is still needed... [12:25] Riddell: the point is that the path to your iso is not read, and empty [12:25] Riddell: looks like something related to a change in qt since the same codebase works with qt3... [12:25] Riddell: I'll reupload including my patch and will let you know [12:26] rgreening: hey :) have you been testing burning isos with k3b or only datas ? [12:26] Can anyone tell me will the ext4 fix (scheduled to release with 2.6.30) will be backported to Ubuntu kernel? [12:26] Quintasan: Better ask in #ubuntu-kernel [12:27] jpds: ok, thx [12:32] Tonio_: I had problems launching k3b from menu entry, it just didn't work, I've launched it from konsole but it throwed wierd errors like "Malformed URL file:///home/quintasan" [12:32] Quintasan: which version of k3b and ubuntu ? [12:32] Quintasan: looks like a local issue :) [12:33] Tonio_: 9.04 k3b 1.0.5+kde4svn935857+really1.0.5 [12:34] Quintasan: hum.... testing, lemme have a look [12:34] Tonio_: I've also tried changing the menu entry, but it didn't help [12:34] Quintasan: okay [12:34] Quintasan: it looks like it is using an ioslave that won't work with kde4... [12:34] Quintasan: you probably have some cached entries in your .kde [12:35] Quintasan: you can try to remove your .kde/share/config/k3brc file [12:35] Quintasan: and also your .kde/share/apps/k3b/ (if any) [12:35] Quintasan: can you test this and try to restart from the command line ? [12:35] sure [12:36] Quintasan: I get no issue here.. [12:39] Tonio_: works now :P [12:39] Tonio_: thanks :D [12:39] quassel251: you're welcome :) === quassel251 is now known as jussio1 [12:40] man am I tired [12:41] Riddell: I'm reuploading an uptodate k3b reincluding that patch [12:42] congrats a|wen and rgreening [12:42] ty vorian [12:42] Hi vorian and rgreening :) [12:42] howdy [12:43] o/ Quintasan [12:57] rgreening: pin ? [12:58] Tonio_: ? [12:58] oh, ping :) [12:58] haha :P [12:58] rgreening: about your dvd burning tests, where you burning data or isos ? [12:58] iso's [12:58] rgreening: yeah, tired fingers, sorry :) [12:59] rgreening: okay so it looks like my patches have to stay in for the moment... [12:59] rgreening: also, any news on the kpackagekit work ? :) [12:59] ongoing [12:59] rocking :) [12:59] I need to get some keyboard time with glatzor :) [13:00] oki [13:00] rgreening: I have to take some time to go buy rewritable dvds.... so frustrating I can't test atm [13:00] rgreening: but I have so much work that it's just impossible to go in a shop right now... [13:01] rgreening: the famous "35 hours" for the french really looks like a legend here.... [13:01] Tonio_: I have some, rw's, what should I test? [13:02] Quintasan: hum, first install my ppa :) [13:02] k [13:02] Quintasan: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa [13:03] Quintasan: then wait for the next k3b build to finish, and try to burn an iso dvd... [13:03] Quintasan: I have 2 patches to make it to work, this upload only contains one, since the second one is very workarroundish :) [13:03] Quintasan: and please let me know if that works by email at tonio@ubuntu.com [13:03] Quintasan: thanks by advance :) [13:04] Tonio_: okay [13:04] crap skim still FTBFS [13:05] Quintasan: is a kde4 port on the way ? [13:06] Tonio_: dunno, I was wondering why I can't fix the icon bug. vorian told me that it can arch issue but it isn't [13:06] Tonio_: let me chcek :3 [13:06] Quintasan: looks like no, still kde3... [13:06] that's bad :( [13:06] :/ [13:09] Quintasan: is the ftbfs due to some changes of yours or is the current package ftbfsing ? [13:09] Tonio_: I downloaded the source from repositories made small changes in debian/skim.install and it FTBFS [13:10] Quintasan: okay I'm trying to build it locally here.... we'll see [13:12] rm: cannot remove `/tmp/buildd/skim-1.4.5/debian/tmp/usr/share/autostart/skim.desktop': No such file or directory [13:12] Quintasan: that's what I get [13:12] Quintasan: same for your ? [13:13] Tonio_: same, but vorian mentioned that [13:13] scons: *** [utils/libscim-kdeutils.la] TypeError : cannot concatenate 'str' and 'list' objects [13:13] is the actual problem [13:13] If you comment the rm line in rules it will throw the same error [13:15] Quintasan: what did i mention? [13:16] vorian: about the skim compile error :P [13:17] looks like not easy to fix though... [13:19] Quintasan: afaics, that requires patching the code... My python knowledge is way too limited to help on that point :/ sorry ! [13:21] No problems, my python knowledge = 0 so no big deal :3 [13:24] Quintasan: in any case, hard to patch an unmaintained app using an unmaintained build system and a deprecated python version ;) [13:24] Quintasan: my ppa is up to date, you can go for a burning test ;) [13:25] Quintasan: I insist on testing iso dvd, not cd iso, since that's known to work :) [13:25] kk, have lots of dvd for er... burning linux distros ;) [13:27] You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to [13:27] http://www.kde.org/. [13:27] how can i unsubscribe from those? [13:28] i get way too many bugmails :/ [13:29] * Tonio_ dreams of the day he can avoids dvds and use pxe boot to install whatever he wants within internet :) [13:29] but that's unlikelly to happen :/ [13:30] though technically this is possible I think... as long as you have a pxe configured dhcp server, it could work... [13:37] Tonio_: "Welcome" message was "Mp3 decoder not found" :D [13:37] Quintasan: yeah I have to patch that one :) [13:40] Tonio_: burned [13:41] Tonio_: I'll go with a bigger one now === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [13:42] Pretty sweet screenshot tour: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-9-04-Alpha-6-Screenshot-Tour-106631.shtml [13:44] Tonio_: works for me :3 [13:44] * Quintasan rembered he should sent a mail to Tonio [13:44] Lure: what's the status of the digikam MIRs? [13:53] Riddell: lensfun is in main (digikam depend), I gave up on opencv (no RedEyesRemoval batch plugin in KIPI) [13:53] Lure: I'll set it to done in the ToDo page then [13:53] Riddell: right, I forgot to update it there [13:54] and I will have to give up on exiv2 0.18 too :-( [13:57] Lure: what problems did you have with opencv? [13:59] cernui: too many warnings to fix: see bug 324523 [13:59] Launchpad bug 324523 in opencv "Main inclusion request for OpenCV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324523 [14:00] Anyways, using opencv for a simple red eyes removal is not so logical, except that more advanced filters are planned [14:05] Oh ok, it uses a trained red eye recognition, so it's not that simple [14:07] Quintasan: great [14:08] Riddell: looks like the new ppa upload will let you burn a dvd :) [14:22] Quintasan: please see my comment on your -klicker application on REVU [14:42] vorian: the widgeR one? :) [14:43] vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-klicker [14:43] * Quintasan is off for 45 minutes [15:05] Tonio_: k3b hangs on 100% ISO write on my USB writer [15:25] allee: did we decide what to do with kblueplugd? [15:30] JontheEchidna: QtCurve update is fine with me [15:30] JontheEchidna: do you havfe an opinion on using qtcurve in place of gtk-qt-engine? [15:31] Riddell: I would use it in place of gtk-qt-engine. It's not exactly like Oxygen, but it is quite similar and has way less bugs [15:31] Riddell: not really. kbluetooth crashes and there is/was still no dbg sym pkg for amd64. When kbluetoothd crashes on bt-adpater-switche-off is fixed kblueplugd can go, with the crash we need it to restart it to restart kbluetoothd [15:32] Plus now gtk-qt-engine is doing its fight for control with QGtkStyle and causing gnome-appearance-properties headaches [15:32] and headaches for gnome-appearance-properties triagers ;-) [15:33] JontheEchidna: fancy writing a MIR? [15:33] Riddel: I've a one line patch that replaces dcop tool with qdbus tool but there no real need for dbus stop command when kbt crashes [15:33] Riddell: Sure, I can do that [15:34] JontheEchidna: thanks [15:35] You're welcome [15:35] allee: mm, I guess we should use that one line patch anyway in the hope that the crash will be fixed at osome point [15:36] allee: reading what you say again it doesn't seem to matter either way [15:36] Riddel: yes :) [15:37] Riddell: so now do I have an ack to upload both the gtk2-engines-qtcurve package and kde-style-qtcurve or just the kde one? [15:38] JontheEchidna: all [15:39] Tonio_, Riddell: k3b actually completed burn of iso correclty, just the UI hung after burn (at 100%) :-( [15:40] Riddell: oh-kay! [15:40] Up they go [15:40] whee [15:53] bbiab, lunch tiem [17:39] <_Groo_> hi/2 all.. [17:39] <_Groo_> any devs alive? :) [17:42] Riddell: bug 342379 [17:42] Launchpad bug 342379 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve "Main Inclusion Request for gtk2-engines-qtcurve" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342379 [17:43] <_Groo_> HI JontheEchidna [17:43] Hi [17:43] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: can you tell me if the konsole/yakuake bug will be backported in the experimental PPA? [17:44] It would probably be backported before it could move to intrepid-backports [17:44] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171544 [17:44] KDE bug 171544 in general "Invisible terminal - Manual split terminal don't show up" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [17:44] so maybe eventually, but it's not a super-high priority [17:45] We are freaking out with getting 9.04 ready for release ;-) [17:55] <_Groo_> hi JontheEchidna, sorry, kvirc crashed on me [17:56] [13:44:52] so maybe eventually, but it's not a super-high priority [17:56] [13:45:13] We are freaking out with getting 9.04 ready for release ;-) [17:56] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: so, how can i add the patches into kdebase? i just need to know how to extract the exact patch from kde svn [17:56] <_Groo_> the rest is up to me.. i can send you the diffs after i tested it if you want [17:57] http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.2/kdebase/apps/konsole/src/ViewContainer.cpp?r1=937339&r2=937338&pathrev=937339&view=patch [17:59] <_Groo_> last question, whats the same command via svn comannd line? [18:00] i dunno, lol [18:01] <_Groo_> lol ok :D [18:01] <_Groo_> i need two patches [18:10] is it possible to install the amarok2 in intrepid? is the package amaork2? do i need a ppa for it? [18:10] jjesse: its' just amarok [18:10] hrmm ok [18:10] in intrepid it is amarok-kde4 no? [18:10] or [18:10] pfft [18:10] hrmm amarok is kde 3.5 version [18:10] * vorian missed the intrepid bit [18:11] jjesse: if you use the experimental ppa, it's amarok-kde4 [18:12] doh, or just amarok [18:12] * vorian should just be quiet [18:13] * Nightrose hugs vorian ;-) [18:13] found it jjesse? [18:13] oh ok, in the experimential ppa [18:13] what's the address for that? [18:14] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa [18:15] <_Groo_> seeya all later [18:18] ok so what package is it now in the experiment? [18:19] it's just the only way to get it in intrepid [18:19] ok [18:46] indirectly related to development: is ubuntu applying to be a mentor org for Summer of Code this year? [18:50] (google just announced 10 minutes til close of applications) [18:54] Wow, I've never had an MIR approved in an hour before [18:59] hi [18:59] Riddell: how does one go about updating the desktop seed? Pitti asked me to do it and I don't really know what to do... [19:00] i have a very strange problem with plasmoids(kde 4.2.0 from ubuntu backports) [19:00] i can install them, but i'm not able to run it [19:02] category: things I might be able to work out eventually, but a Kubuntu hacker can probably do it in half the time [19:02] i see only "Cold not find requested component: xxx " [19:02] I'm looking at the qt4-x11 build failure on powerpc, and it looks like it can be worked around by building qstring.cpp with different optimisation flags [19:02] is there a reasonable way to tell qmake to build a single file with different CFLAGS? === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [19:11] \o [19:18] alternatively, will anyone mind if I build qt4-x11 with -O2 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls across the board on powerpc? it doesn't seem to me as though qmake actually supports per-file CFLAGS sanely [19:23] I guess that's better than not building [19:29] JontheEchidna: qtcurve 0.62.2 is out :) [19:33] anyone else with problems booting jaunty a6 on i386? [19:35] what kind of problems? === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [19:39] doesnt boot [19:40] choose something from the bootmenue, cpufan produces noise, nothing happens on the screen [19:43] lex79: lol [19:44] eheheh [19:44] Since it's most likely a bugfix-only release compared to what we have I can just file a bug and then upload ^.^ [19:45] WEll, not for gtk2-engines-qtcurve since it just got promoted, lol [19:47] yes, it is a bug fix release [19:48] * JontheEchidna prepares an update [19:48] firefox is better with 0.62 \o/ [19:49] JontheEchidna: seeds are in bzr [19:49] on launchpad under ubuntu-seeds project [19:49] lex79: That's the dream :-) [19:49] get the kubuntu one, edit desktop and push somewhere, then get someone in core-dev to merge in [19:50] I guess we'll be wanting a gtkrc with qtcurve set in k-d-s too? [19:55] wooow, KDE is MUCH faaster since the last updates [20:00] What got updated that made such a difference? [20:05] JontheEchidna: yes you'll need to work out how to set that [20:05] JontheEchidna: also you should remove the depends from gtk-qtcurve like we do with gtk-qt-engine so it doesn't bring lots of gtk stuff onto the CD [20:06] Ah, since it needs only gtk this shouldn't be a problem like it was with gtk-qt-engine [20:06] since installing gtk stuff will bring in the only thing it needs [20:06] gtk [20:06] excellent [20:08] yep [20:10] it's not even funny how untranslated kubuntu stuff is [20:11] apachelogger: all that even after vorian got spammed with > 13,000 translation import success emails? [20:11] :( [20:11] well [20:11] * JontheEchidna only got spammed with 500 emails [20:11] _our_ stuff [20:11] oh, like the help menu entries [20:12] and custom apps [20:12] + I find that import mail stuff so incredibly bad implemented it is not funny either [20:12] JontheEchidna: also the additional note about kubuntu translations coming from launchpad [20:12] you're not the only one, pretty much everyone dogpiled on the relevant LP developers - it's getting fixed [20:12] ...like there were any... [20:12] argh, why doesn't cdbs-edit-patch work on qt4-x11? [20:12] stupid thing bails out with cp: cannot open `./.pc/16_hide_std_symbols_on_qtwebkit.diff/src/3rdparty/webkit/symbols.filter' for reading: Permission denied [20:12] vorian got 300,000 karma out of the deal too [20:13] cjwatson: most likely Riddell screwed up the patch stack again :P [20:13] oh, oops, it's patchsys-quilt [20:13] apachelogger: btw, we're burning gtk-qt-engine with fire and using gtk2-engines-qtcurve since it now looks Sorta Oxygenish (tm) [20:13] ok, I can deal with that [20:13] <3 quilt [20:14] JontheEchidna: sensible thing to do [20:14] * apachelogger never liked gtk-qt-engine anyway [20:14] way to buggy IMHO [20:14] That and gtk-qt-engine now fights with QGtkStyle for control [20:14] *too [20:14] and crashes gnome-appearance-properties [20:14] JontheEchidna: so we were forced into that decision? ;-) [20:14] * ScottK has been using qtcurve happily for some time now. [20:14] somewhat :D [20:15] Yeah, it's a pretty good theme. Definitely better than the crap gtk-qt-engine was spitting out [20:16] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23765740/qtcurve.png [20:16] It even does gtk <-> kde icon mapping and can use the kde color scheme [20:16] hm [20:17] I still don't like how it doesn't blend with the deco [20:17] looks sorta weird [20:17] yeah... [20:18] * apachelogger thinks oxygen should not do that effect on the deco if the actual widget is not using Qt [20:18] Kubuntu 9.04 "It doesn't suck so bad" (tm) [20:19] JontheEchidna: QtCurve 0.62? [20:19] Quintasan: Yeah [20:20] I'm updating to 0.62.2 as we speak though :) [20:20] nice, I like it :) [20:20] hm [20:20] It would be nice to have a GTK font and style chooser separate from gtk-qt-engine [20:20] I could probably keep 50 people busy refining the UI all day long ;-) [20:21] JontheEchidna: fork? [20:21] Already had lunch. Thanks. [20:21] might be a good idea, since upstream seems dead [20:21] lol [20:21] * JontheEchidna puts it on the todo list for 9.10 [20:21] well, just debundle the kcm really [20:22] besides, there is probably some python lib to read/write .gtkrc files... [20:22] and strip out the gtk-qt-engine specific stuff from the kcm [20:22] aye [20:22] or write our own with pykde :P [20:23] hehe [20:23] JontheEchidna: Do you have a package or I should make it? :P [20:23] Quintasan: for 0.62.2? I'm right about to upload the kde style to kubuntu [20:24] is vorian core dev yet? [20:24] after I do a bit o' runtime testing [20:24] apachelogger: almost, but rgreening and a|wen are motu [20:24] uh [20:24] * apachelogger motuhugs rgreening and a|wen [20:25] btw, since it is already march, will I get a kubuntu 9.04 that doesn't constantly render apps useless [20:25] and I mean that render like rendering render :P [20:26] the TB dropped the ball a bit on vorian's core-dev application, sorry - already talked with him on IRC and he's on the agenda for our next meeting [20:26] cjwatson: cool :) [20:27] * JontheEchidna plans on applying for core-dev in karmic [20:28] hm [20:29] JontheEchidna: first get some new contributors [20:29] apachelogger: Quintasan is starting to become my minion, I think [20:29] Oh [20:29] :D [20:29] Quintasan: you should put your name down for kubuntu membership consideration for our next meeting [20:30] no private minions! [20:30] JontheEchidna: ok, I will do so. [20:30] s/my/our/g [20:30] :wq [20:30] lol [20:30] /g? [20:31] replace all instances, I think [20:31] though I only said my once, lol [20:32] * Quintasan needs to put something on his wiki page [20:32] * apachelogger votes for Qt ponies [20:33] * ScottK would settle for a patch to port Klamav to KDE4. [20:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Kubuntu Meeting Tuesday March 17 2009 at 17:00 UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | Jaunty Alpha-6 Released! | 8.04.2 Released! | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! [20:38] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: hey john.. already recreated he kdebase with the patch.. konsole and yakuake now work fine :) [20:39] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: i also made a new kvirc 4.0 package with today svn [20:39] kool [20:41] kvirc package for jaunty? [20:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: actually i did it for intrepid, but once i get it on my ppa, it will be for jaunty too [20:42] <_Groo_> btw, for jaunty, should i rename it to kvirc instead of kvirc-kde4? [20:42] it might be good if we updated our kvirc svn package for jaunty [20:42] JontheEchidna: how so? [20:43] apachelogger: we haven't updated it in a while [20:43] we are in feature freeze [20:43] well if its bugfixes... [20:43] it would have to be investigated of course [20:43] and introduces even more at the same time? :P [20:43] lol [20:44] <_Groo_> apachelogger: well this new kvirc looks much more stable then the latest svn from jaunty [20:44] _look_ doesn't count ;-) [20:44] <_Groo_> which is very old... at least this one doesnt enter a loop and almosts freezes evetyrhing :D [20:44] you need to conduct proper testing [20:44] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know, but old code doesnt count either ;) [20:44] especially in feature freeze [20:45] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i agree with you, but freezing a svn package is kinda.. well.. dumb.. [20:45] _Groo_: no it is not [20:45] svn got no QA [20:45] <_Groo_> but a freeze its a freeze :) maybe we can do it after teh release, probably backports [20:46] _Groo_: fix the freeze then [20:46] replacing the whole source tree with a newer revision poses a much greater threat of regression than a patch [20:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so you are saying that the kvirc in jaunty didnt have QA cause its svn? [20:47] Yeah, but it can't get any buggier that it is [20:47] _Groo_: no, I am saying that we are in feature freeze, which is used to conduct QA, if you exchange the product all the QA done until now becomes worthless [20:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i would normally agree, but the problem is that the svn in jaunty is very old and the new code was changed a lot [20:47] _Groo_: that is the problem [20:47] code change != good code change [20:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i agree with you... like i said, the best course of action would be to do the update after the release, probably in backports [20:48] well [20:48] <_Groo_> apachelogger: again i agree, im just saying doing a patch over the new code is unpratical [20:48] not if there is a serious issue :P [20:48] in which case patching is the best course of action [20:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, so... patching the brains out over about 80% of the code is better then just downloading the new svn, is that it? [20:49] <_Groo_> which would give you the same code? :D [20:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: or do you want to backport just the known bugs in jaunty... which would probably mean backporting part of the new core code.. and so on and so on [20:49] apachelogger: Realistically how much QA gets done on Universe packages? [20:50] well [20:50] apprently none [20:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: LOL [20:50] We did test this kvirc before it was uploaded. [20:50] if we need to patch 80% of the code to get the package in proper shape [20:50] It seemed to work OK then. [20:50] <_Groo_> dont look at me, i dont have universe acess ;) [20:50] I would remove it and reintroduce it for karmic with sensible quality [20:50] very slim to none, really - depends whose pets are being discussed [20:51] _Groo_: Are you on Intrepid or Jaunty? [20:51] <_Groo_> ScottK: did you tested it with kde 4.2? some changed break kvirc, and introduce a few weird loop bugs.. and i believe the code from jaunty isnt totally qt 4.5 ready [20:51] ScottK: so it must have rotten a lot since then ;-) [20:51] <_Groo_> ScottK: still in intrepid.. gonna change to jaunty when the rc1 gets out [20:52] I think we tested it with a 4.2 pre-release. [20:52] rgreening might remember. [20:52] <_Groo_> ScottK: when it was qt 4.4 still? or with 4.5 already? [20:52] We certainly didn't test with 4.5. It was 4.4 still. [20:52] <_Groo_> ScottK: my point exactly [20:52] Which, if they've made changes for 4.5 compatibility, might make a good case for an update. [20:53] agreed [20:53] <_Groo_> if the jaunty version was giving me problem and im on intrepid with qt 4.4 imagine the same code with kde 4.2 and qt 4.5 [20:53] _Groo_: Talk to rgreening when he's around. He did the current package and it MOTU now so can take care of sponsoring if it gets approved. [20:54] _Groo_: that means nothing [20:54] kvirc code could have been completely correct but KDE or Qt was bugged and caused the problems [20:54] or X [20:54] or any other part of the stack for that matter ;-) [20:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: just an example from the new code: [20:56] <_Groo_> support for real transparency using compositing under X11 [20:56] <_Groo_> removed old kde3 "krootpixmap" fake transparency [20:57] _Groo_: and that fixes a bug? [20:57] <_Groo_> this one is nice too. [20:57] <_Groo_> ensure that all the modules that creates a window using g_pFrame->addWindow closes the window using g_pFrame->closeWindow (that is a public member by now); This removes some remaining problems regarding mdichilds [20:57] <_Groo_> and so on [20:57] <_Groo_> there are a LOT of entries? patching each one? ouch! [20:57] <_Groo_> i prefer waiting to release a new one after the release [20:58] _Groo_: That or ask for a Feature Freeze exception. [20:58] _Groo_: the idea of patching in feature freeze is not to apply all changes, but those that make sense in feature freeze [20:58] <_Groo_> ScottK: and break the pseudo QA so close to a release? [20:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: sure, but kvirc isnt trivial , its a lot of code.. unless some kvirc takes up the task i believe you might be more harm then good [20:59] <_Groo_> might do* [20:59] apachelogger: Yes, but if it's update the whole package or nothing because no one volunteers to patch, sometimes wholesale update is the right answer. [20:59] yeah [20:59] I am not saying patching is what ought to be done :P [21:00] * ScottK recalls that sistpoty is a kvirc user and is on Jaunty. [21:00] We should ask him what he thinks. [21:00] I am just suggesting that it is also an option and should be carefully thought about [21:00] He's also on motu-release .... [21:00] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ScottK: for instance, i did the kubuntu/yakuake bug patch today.. and its working fine... that i can volunteer to help.. but patching kvirc? out of nowhere? [21:00] Yes. [21:04] JontheEchidna: btw, are there any reports about plasma crashing at login in jaunty? [21:05] ya, now that alpha freeze is over I suppose I should apply the patch [21:05] but I am a bit busy with other things atm [21:05] I can get it done later tonight [21:06] ok, just wanted to know if it is only me :) [21:06] plasma is easy enough to restart anyway [21:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: probably the plasma rc files corrupted.,.. happens from time to time [21:06] no [21:06] nah, there was a bug where plasma didn't like the geometry settings in the file and crashed [21:06] it happens at _every_ login [21:06] so unless kds is the problem [21:09] https://edge.launchpad.net/~cuonglb [21:10] Riddell: bug 342473 [21:10] Launchpad bug 342473 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.62.2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342473 [21:10] It also affects gtk2-engines-qtcurve, which I need sponsored now that moted [21:10] wow [21:10] *that it got promoted [21:11] <_Groo_> gotta go.. bback tomorrow... [21:11] <_Groo_> seeya ppl [21:12] <_Groo_> btw is kubuntu 9.10 coming with the kde4, compiz integration? i mean the qt4 setting to activate compiz in kde4? [21:12] _Groo_: no [21:12] + cya :) [21:12] I can safely say that compiz will never again be a supported part of kubuntu [21:12] compiz is just a hack [21:13] and a gnome-centric one [21:13] * Quintasan thinks it's time for raptor-menu resync [21:13] In comparison I use KWin's compositing codebase to wash my whites instead of bleach [21:14] :] [21:18] That's why you make it a good wm first and add the compositing system later [21:24] * vorian does not like new qt-curve [21:25] * smarter just lost some code by using git reset wrongly *again* [21:26] * smarter headdesks [21:26] hm [21:26] now that I have catched up on identica [21:26] Hey apachelogger, long time no see [21:26] what could I do? [21:26] * nhandler checks if he is following apachelogger on identi.ca [21:26] play uplink, darwinia, multiwinia, defcon, world of goo? [21:26] or maybe triage some bugs? [21:27] go to bed? [21:27] watch futurama? [21:27] watch south park? :] [21:27] (new season just began) [21:27] oh dear [21:27] so many options [21:27] o/ nhandler [21:27] (and hallo apachelogger btw :)) [21:28] o/ smarter [21:28] How are you enjoying your new job? [21:28] git really is the devil [21:31] nhandler: more like stand ;-) [21:32] hell exhausting psychologically and physiologically [21:33] then again due to my ever changing duty schedule I had monday - wednesday off and thus had time to visit $univeristy in graz and grab a beer with krake and steveire [21:37] apachelogger: You see the channel topic? [21:41] * JontheEchidna removes 8.04.2 announcement from the topic since that was a while ago and everybody in here probably doesn't care anymore. Plus it needs room === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Kubuntu Meeting Tuesday March 17 2009 at 17:00 UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | Jaunty Alpha-6 Released! | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! [21:43] * Quintasan applied for members [21:43] yay [21:43] nhandler: now I do :D [21:43] darn rendering garbage [21:44] I'm a little disappointed that I couldn't make the meeting to give them my +1 :( [21:45] I woke up this morning and it was "liek whoa, they're motus" [21:45] JontheEchidna: really like "liek"? ... weird kind of thinking TBH :P [21:46] not rly [21:46] i no haz lolcat gammer in my headz [21:47] ok ^_^ [21:47] :D [21:47] * JontheEchidna updates the kubuntu seed for qtcurve [21:48] qmake is frustrating me [21:48] I have this in mkspecs/common/linux.conf: [21:48] equals(QT_ARCH, powerpc) { [21:48] QMAKE_CFLAGS_RELEASE += -fno-optimize-sibling-calls [21:48] QMAKE_CXXFLAGS_RELEASE += -fno-optimize-sibling-calls [21:48] } [21:48] QT_ARCH is indeed powerpc [21:48] this has no visible effect on CFLAGS [21:49] what am I doing wrong? === LjL is now known as EviljL [21:53] cjwatson: did you try without the equals to ensure it has an effect at all? [21:57] ah yes, fair point, that would be it ... [21:57] is QT_ARCH not set at that point or something? [21:58] *shrug* [21:58] those vars might also be the wrong ones [21:58] take a look at mkspecs/default/qmake.conf, which variables are used there [21:58] QT_ARCH is definitely set *somewhere*, and those variables do the right thing once set [21:59] yeah, am ahead of you there [21:59] :) [21:59] I took the variables to set from mkspecs/common/g++.conf [22:00] I am not sure qmake actually processes the .conf files in the usual way, which would explain why qt_arch is not set [22:01] I think that qconfig.pri is loaded *after* linux.conf [22:01] so I might just move this fragment to mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf, right at the end [22:02] sounds sensible to me [22:02] * cjwatson waits for the tedious build process again ... thanks for the help [22:04] this is slightly more effort than I thought I was signing up for in the relevant release meeting ;-) === EviljL is now known as LjL [22:29] Riddell: Ok, for gtk2-engines-qtcurve to be finished I'll need bug 342473 sponsored for gtk2-engines-qtcurve, my seed branch to be merged: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/ubuntu-seeds/mykubuntu, and bug 342379 to be sponsored for kubuntu-default-settings [22:29] Launchpad bug 342473 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.62.2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342473 [22:29] Launchpad bug 342379 in kubuntu-default-settings "Main Inclusion Request for gtk2-engines-qtcurve/ Use gtk2-engines-qtcurve as the default theme in Kubuntu" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342379 [23:30] rgreening: Congrats on becoming a MOTU! [23:30] ty. :P [23:30] I'm sorry I couldn't make the meeting [23:31] rgreening: Congrats :) [23:37] lex79: :) now more work.. haha [23:38] yeeeees :P [23:41] hehe === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [23:41] ~order tea, earl grey, hot [23:41] * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain JontheEchidna. [23:46] JontheEchidna: " for captain JontheEchidna" LoL [23:59] ~order coke for lex79 [23:59] * kubotu slides a cold can of tasty Coca Cola(r) down the bar to lex79.