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| dholbach | good morning :) | 06:59 |
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| persia | Let's get started then. | 06:59 |
| nixternal | good morning to you | 06:59 |
| persia | First, let's find out who's here. | 07:00 |
| fabrice_sp | Good morning | 07:00 |
| fabrice_sp | o/ | 07:00 |
| rgreening | morning nixternal, persia | 07:00 |
| fabrice_sp | but I only can attend the first 15 minutes :-/ | 07:00 |
| persia | Toadstool, geser soren awen jpds nhandler ? | 07:00 |
| soren | o/ | 07:00 |
| nixternal | \o | 07:00 |
| persia | fabrice_sp, In that case, you go first (if we can finish in 15 minutes) | 07:00 |
| fabrice_sp | ok | 07:00 |
| dholbach | #startmeeting | 07:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 02:01. The chair is dholbach. | 07:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 07:01 |
| a|wen | hi everyone | 07:01 |
| dholbach | [TOPIC] Fabrice Coutadeur | 07:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Fabrice Coutadeur | 07:01 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabriceCoutadeur/UniverseContributorApplication | 07:01 |
| dholbach | good morning fabrice_sp - how are you doing? | 07:01 |
| fabrice_sp | good morning dholbach ! I'm doing fine, thanks :-) | 07:01 |
| fabrice_sp | and good morning everyone | 07:01 |
| dholbach | fabrice_sp: in your application you say that the first contact with the Ubuntu community is not as smooth as it could be - do you have an example for that? | 07:02 |
| fabrice_sp | dholbach, I first came to the community to have dvdstyler integrated, and made the upload to REVU | 07:03 |
| fabrice_sp | and after that, I've been lost :-) | 07:03 |
| dholbach | because it took too long to get it reviewed? | 07:03 |
| fabrice_sp | I didn't expect the package to take so long to be accepted | 07:03 |
| fabrice_sp | yes | 07:03 |
| fabrice_sp | now, I understand why (and my packaging is a lot better :-) | 07:03 |
| dholbach | :) | 07:04 |
| dholbach | Do you think the documentation or "the path to contributing" was clear enough? | 07:04 |
| persia | Do you have any suggestions that could either improve the experience, or better set expecations? | 07:04 |
| fabrice_sp | also, I'm quite a hy guy, and never used irc before | 07:04 |
| fabrice_sp | weel, the previous documentation spoke about uploading new packages to revu as the first step | 07:04 |
| fabrice_sp | and oviously, it shouldn't be the first step | 07:05 |
| soren | "hy"? | 07:05 |
| * persia suspects a dropped 's' | 07:05 | |
| soren | Ah. | 07:05 |
| fabrice_sp | yes, sorry | 07:05 |
| * soren is still waking up :) | 07:05 | |
| fabrice_sp | my wireless keyboard drop some letters sometime | 07:05 |
| fabrice_sp | :-) | 07:05 |
| soren | That's ok. My brain tends to do the same. Or insert new ones at random. It's very confusing. | 07:06 |
| dholbach | fabrice_sp: So you'd say that we could do a better job at guiding new contributors towards learning packaging and probably work on some existing packages beforehand? | 07:06 |
| fabrice_sp | dholbach, yes. I also already helped in a non official way some people interested in packaging stuff | 07:07 |
| fabrice_sp | in private chatrooms, but for the moment, none is still around | 07:07 |
| fabrice_sp | I think that even with few experience, you can still help a lot | 07:08 |
| fabrice_sp | even in REVU :-) | 07:08 |
| persia | fabrice_sp, You seem to use your PPA for backporting. Have you considered involvement with the backporters? | 07:08 |
| nixternal | that is a very nice chunk of uploaded packages you have there fabrice_sp. One question, what happened with im-sdk and are you in the process of getting that fixed and reuploaded? | 07:08 |
| fabrice_sp | persia, yes. I also receive some request directly to my mailbox, that I try to upload | 07:09 |
| fabrice_sp | nixternal, it's failing because of debug packages | 07:09 |
| fabrice_sp | I opened another bug report for that, and assigned it to pkg-create-dbgsym package | 07:10 |
| fabrice_sp | in the meantime, I'm still trying to get it fixed (playing with debug compilation options) | 07:10 |
| nixternal | fabrice_sp: groovy, great job on your packaging contributions and some really good testimonials as well | 07:11 |
| dholbach | wow... good work | 07:11 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks :-) I've been a lot more active since I applied to u-c-d | 07:11 |
| dholbach | fabrice_sp: I noticed :) | 07:11 |
| dholbach | soren, geser, nixternal, persia: any more questions? | 07:11 |
| fabrice_sp | working also on python2.6 transition now | 07:11 |
| nixternal | a lot more active than I have been, though dholbach has me working my fingers to the bone on other projects :p | 07:12 |
| nixternal | dholbach: I am good | 07:12 |
| fabrice_sp | dholbach, :-) You sponsored a lot of my uploads :-) | 07:12 |
| soren | Nope, I'm good. | 07:12 |
| geser | no question from me | 07:12 |
| nixternal | persia must have gone down for more sushi | 07:13 |
| persia | fabrice_sp, You say you plan to work on packages "better if linked to Video edition". Could you share what that is? | 07:13 |
| persia | I've not heard of it before. | 07:13 |
| persia | No, I'm just a slow typist. | 07:13 |
| fabrice_sp | I mean, my first area of interest is video edition | 07:13 |
| fabrice_sp | so, that's why I have in my ppa dvbcut, dvdstyler, openmovieeditor, ... | 07:14 |
| soren | Are they not in the official archives at all or do you just have fresher versions in your ppa? | 07:14 |
| fabrice_sp | but I've touching a lot of different packages lately, so it's really my first area of interest, but not the only one :-) | 07:14 |
| nixternal | and he lives in one of my favorite places in the world too, madrid..so now I know where I can crash next time I am out there :p | 07:14 |
| fabrice_sp | soren, fresher versions, most of the time | 07:14 |
| soren | fabrice_sp: Ok, cool. | 07:15 |
| persia | I'm more curious about the nomenclature "video edition", but it's not important to my decision. | 07:15 |
| fabrice_sp | for Openmovieeditor, it's more ocmplicated as the new version requires a lot of new packages | 07:15 |
| dholbach | persia: "video editing" maybe | 07:15 |
| fabrice_sp | dholbach, persia: yes | 07:15 |
| persia | OK. | 07:15 |
| dholbach | persia: good to go? | 07:15 |
| fabrice_sp | I mean converting old family videos to DVD's | 07:15 |
| persia | dholbach, Yes. | 07:16 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabriceCoutadeur <- I wish I was that organized | 07:16 |
| dholbach | [VOTE] Shall Fabrice Coutadeur become Contributing Developer? | 07:16 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Shall Fabrice Coutadeur become Contributing Developer?. | 07:16 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 07:16 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 07:16 |
| nixternal | +1 | 07:16 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 07:16 |
| dholbach | +1 | 07:16 |
| MootBot | +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 07:16 |
| persia | +1 | 07:16 |
| MootBot | +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 07:16 |
| soren | +1 | 07:16 |
| MootBot | +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 07:16 |
| nixternal | psst, geser, your turn | 07:16 |
| geser | +1 | 07:16 |
| MootBot | +1 received from geser. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 07:16 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:16 |
| dholbach | how do I end the vote again? | 07:16 |
| dholbach | #endvote | 07:16 |
| nixternal | #endvote | 07:16 |
| nixternal | [endvote] | 07:16 |
| rgreening | wonder if I can go next? | 07:17 |
| dholbach | [endvote] | 07:17 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 | 07:17 |
| dholbach | congratulations fabrice_sp | 07:17 |
| nixternal | rgreening: you are going last, we want it to be like 5am when it is your turn :p | 07:17 |
| dholbach | :-) | 07:17 |
| nixternal | congratulations and welcome fabrice_sp!!! | 07:17 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks to all! :-) | 07:17 |
| rgreening | It is 5 am | 07:17 |
| nixternal | no, thank you | 07:17 |
| dholbach | [TOPIC] Roderick B. Greening | 07:17 |
| nixternal | rgreening: is it? | 07:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Roderick B. Greening | 07:17 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rgreening/DeveloperApplicationMOTU | 07:17 |
| rgreening | morning all :) | 07:17 |
| * a|wen waves at rgreening | 07:18 | |
| cody-somerville | Is this the MC meeting? | 07:18 |
| dholbach | cody-somerville: yes | 07:18 |
| persia | cody-somerville, Yes. | 07:18 |
| rgreening | o/ a|wen | 07:18 |
| cody-somerville | Can I do an impromptu application for core-dev as I don't imagine I'll generally be aware at this hour again anytime soon? | 07:18 |
| nixternal | damn, rgreening you messaged me too to put an indorsement on your wiki page...I apologize for totally forgetting | 07:18 |
| persia | rgreening, You say you need to read more documentation. Could you share why you think you've read enough to be MOTU? | 07:18 |
| dholbach | rgreening: almost every sponsor mentions the danger of over-committing - what do you think about that? | 07:19 |
| rgreening | nixternal: thats ok, you can skip that and just + 1 me now | 07:19 |
| persia | cody-somerville, No. Applications need a week discussion period before discussion. There's another meeting at 17UTC, which might work better for you? | 07:19 |
| persia | s/discussion/consideration/2 | 07:19 |
| * Hobbsee_ cheers for rgreening | 07:19 | |
| cody-somerville | persia, Okay, great. | 07:19 |
| dholbach | cody-somerville: could you please follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers ? | 07:19 |
| nixternal | MC: I can definitely endorse rgreening, even if he did keep me awake at UDS from snoring...totally awesome work he has done in Kubuntu and I believe some of it has gone upstream or is going upstream... | 07:19 |
| rgreening | persia: one can NEVER read too much. I can attest that to the 100's of tech books i have | 07:19 |
| dholbach | cody-somerville: it'll make it a bit easier for us to prepare, etc. | 07:19 |
| cody-somerville | dholbach, I was just being facetious anyhow. No problem :) | 07:19 |
| rgreening | dholbach: thats all in ref to UDS. I was quite the eager beaver. and that was also many months back | 07:20 |
| nixternal | hahaha, that is funny, rgreening what did I say to you at UDS? :) | 07:20 |
| dholbach | rgreening: ah, so you're not the eager beaver anymore? :) | 07:20 |
| rgreening | dholbach: I now have a realistic view of things. this allows me to accept work that can be done | 07:21 |
| rgreening | and not take on too much. | 07:21 |
| rgreening | right nixternal | 07:21 |
| dholbach | rgreening: how's the work on kpackagekit coming on? | 07:21 |
| rgreening | good dholbach. I have been learning a lot on it. | 07:22 |
| nixternal | totally awesome dholbach :) I finally don't have that annoying other k package thingy, I already forgot its name | 07:22 |
| rgreening | I have a couple of patches already in | 07:22 |
| nixternal | adept, that was it | 07:22 |
| dholbach | rgreening: I know that glatzor did some work around handling debconf stuff and questions asked by the package installation process - does that work in kpackagekit already? | 07:23 |
| rgreening | and dholbachworking on other patches now. also the new app-install spec was initiated by me with upstream | 07:23 |
| rgreening | dholbach: that would be a back-end. should be immediately available to kpackagekit. I can certainly check with glatzor to verify | 07:23 |
| dholbach | rgreening: well, some parts of it should be part of the front-end too, no? :) | 07:24 |
| rgreening | dholbach: yes. correct. | 07:24 |
| rgreening | not sure if it was integrated yet into 0.4. | 07:25 |
| dholbach | ok | 07:25 |
| rgreening | but it should be easy if it's not yet there. | 07:25 |
| rgreening | the code for kpackagekit it really clean | 07:25 |
| persia | rgreening, Two of your endorsers comment that they'd like to see more varied work, and you mention work with the server team as a future plan. What steps have you taken in that direction so far? | 07:26 |
| rgreening | I have discussed woth ScottK on how to get more involved with the team. I have also jumped in the IRC channel for server to see what needs doing. | 07:26 |
| rgreening | I have some ideas for UDS and next server release | 07:27 |
| rgreening | to do with security packaging. thats an area I am really familiar with | 07:27 |
| persia | And you also mention that you'd like to work more closely with the GNOME team. How is that progressing? | 07:27 |
| rgreening | specifically firewalls. | 07:27 |
| rgreening | well, glatzor and I have been colaborating with packagekit ideas (for Gnome/KDE). | 07:28 |
| rgreening | I have also worked with some packagers of Gnome apps to help reduce unnecessary deps in packages. | 07:29 |
| rgreening | did I miss anyones questions? | 07:30 |
| rgreening | :) | 07:30 |
| dholbach | soren, persia, nixternal, geser: any more questions? | 07:31 |
| rgreening | I have also worked with fixing python 2.6 transition in some packages for ScottK | 07:31 |
| nixternal | none here | 07:31 |
| geser | no | 07:31 |
| soren | Nope. | 07:31 |
| persia | all set | 07:31 |
| dholbach | [VOTE] Shall Roderick Greening join the MOTU team? | 07:32 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Shall Roderick Greening join the MOTU team?. | 07:32 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 07:32 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 07:32 |
| dholbach | +1 | 07:33 |
| MootBot | +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 07:33 |
| nixternal | +1 | 07:33 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 07:33 |
| persia | +1 | 07:33 |
| MootBot | +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 07:33 |
| geser | +1 | 07:33 |
| MootBot | +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 07:33 |
| soren | 1+ | 07:33 |
| soren | Heh. Whoops | 07:33 |
| soren | +1 | 07:33 |
| MootBot | +1 received from soren. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 07:33 |
| dholbach | hehe | 07:33 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:33 |
| dholbach | [endvote] | 07:33 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 | 07:33 |
| dholbach | congratulations rgreening | 07:33 |
| dholbach | and good night :-) | 07:33 |
| nixternal | congrats and welcome rgreening !!! \o/ | 07:33 |
| rgreening | ty. | 07:33 |
| rgreening | :) | 07:33 |
| a|wen | congrats rgreening! | 07:34 |
| nixternal | and another kubuntu suckah bites the dust | 07:34 |
| rgreening | gl a|wen | 07:34 |
| a|wen | thx | 07:34 |
| dholbach | [TOPIC] Jérémie Corbier | 07:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Jérémie Corbier | 07:34 |
| dholbach | hey Toadstool - how are you doing? | 07:34 |
| dholbach | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-February/002030.html | 07:34 |
| nixternal | woohoo Toadstool...welcome back :) | 07:34 |
| * rgreening sleeps for 2 hrs now.. before work. | 07:34 | |
| a|wen | nn rgreening | 07:34 |
| nixternal | g'nite rgreening | 07:35 |
| nixternal | hrmm, where did he go? | 07:35 |
| dholbach | Toadstool: did you find your way back into the Ubuntu Development world easily? | 07:35 |
| * persia suspects Toadstool is otherwise occupied | 07:37 | |
| dholbach | let's wait another 2 minutes and then do a|wen first? | 07:38 |
| a|wen | fine for me | 07:39 |
| a|wen | :) | 07:39 |
| dholbach | ok... Toadstool: we'll get back to you | 07:40 |
| dholbach | [TOPIC] Andreas Wenning | 07:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Andreas Wenning | 07:40 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasWenning/DeveloperApplication | 07:40 |
| a|wen | hi! all around | 07:41 |
| dholbach | How's Thailand? Are you in touch with any local group there? :) | 07:41 |
| a|wen | it's good :) ... no sadly not; but i'm sure to "promoting" some (k)ubuntu whenever i can | 07:42 |
| * a|wen found an ubuntu sticker on one of the office doors of his department the other day | 07:44 | |
| dholbach | a|wen: how has the work been with the Security team? have you had the chance to work directly with them? | 07:44 |
| geser | how comes that so many kubuntu developers are applying? doesn't ubuntu-desktop need any more devs or is kubuntu simply better at recruiting? | 07:44 |
| persia | a|wen, You mention work on security updates. Have you had any involvement with MOTU SWAT? | 07:44 |
| persia | geser, Probably just cyclical: it was the other way for quite a while. | 07:44 |
| nixternal | geser: and lets not forget that 3 out of 7 MC members are also Kubuntu developers :) | 07:45 |
| nixternal | it is an invasion I tell you | 07:45 |
| a|wen | dholbach: not directly no ... until now i've simply been preparing an upload for the full stack and trying to get a sponsor | 07:45 |
| dholbach | a|wen: I'm sure they're going to appreciate helping hands. :-) | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | jaunty, bzr qt3 , sourcepackage qt4=4.5.0-0maemo0mer1 | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | er, sorry | 07:46 |
| a|wen | but i might try to get involved with motu swat soon ... i think security updates are very important to focus at | 07:46 |
| a|wen | geser: they (we) are good at welcoming people in the kubuntu camp ... and the kde-packaging is streamlined (thx apachelogger) to easily get people to help; that has worked really good | 07:47 |
| nixternal | I can also provide some endorsement on a|wen...he has done a tremendous job with helping on the KDE 4.x packages and helping out others as well in regards to packaging in #kubuntu-devel...he has been around a long time and always found a way to contribute substantially | 07:47 |
| dholbach | a|wen: you said you're maintaining packages in debian itself too? | 07:48 |
| a|wen | thx nixternal :) | 07:48 |
| persia | a|wen, https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker might address part of your "What I like least in Ubuntu" concern. | 07:48 |
| nixternal | heh, all this time I thought you were a MOTU already..then again, when you went for Kubuntu Member I thought you were already a member then as well | 07:48 |
| a|wen | dholbach: correct ... i have python-uniconvertor (currently in ubuntu/main); and two apache modules | 07:48 |
| dholbach | a|wen: Do you think we're doing a good job at working with Debian in general? | 07:49 |
| a|wen | persia: uhh; i should look at that one and see, what that is | 07:49 |
| a|wen | dholbach: in general yes, but everyone needs to be aware of it ... i'm very focused on sending patches upstream to debian, but we need all to be that | 07:50 |
| a|wen | we'll all benefit for getting patches/changes/improvements to debian to cut down on the diff ... we also need to better to that with the current kde-packaging | 07:51 |
| dholbach | a|wen: anything we could do to give it more visibility? | 07:51 |
| a|wen | dholbach: adding it as part of the merge-process? (can't remember if it is already there) | 07:52 |
| dholbach | I *think* it's mentioned there. | 07:53 |
| dholbach | Anyway, I was just interested to hear the views from somebody who "lives in both worlds". | 07:53 |
| dholbach | soren, geser, persia, nixternal: any more questions? | 07:53 |
| nixternal | none here | 07:53 |
| geser | dholbach: no, you'are doing the questioning great, you haven't unlearned anything in your MC absence time :) | 07:54 |
| a|wen | dholbach: and as a sponsor we should remember asking if it is done ... i'm often asked by eg. ScottK if i remembered to send it upstream (luckily i often have) | 07:54 |
| soren | dholbach: Yeah, what geser said :) | 07:54 |
| dholbach | geser: :-) | 07:54 |
| dholbach | a|wen: I guess you're going to bear that in mind, when doing sponsoring yourself? :) | 07:55 |
| persia | I don't have any more questions. I've been quite impressed with the quality of changelog entries in the patches I've seen. | 07:55 |
| dholbach | alright......... | 07:55 |
| a|wen | dholbach: of course :) | 07:55 |
| dholbach | [VOTE] Shall Andreas Wenning join the MOTU team? | 07:55 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Shall Andreas Wenning join the MOTU team?. | 07:55 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 07:55 |
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| nixternal | +1 | 07:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 07:55 |
| dholbach | +1 | 07:55 |
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| geser | +1 | 07:55 |
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| persia | +1 | 07:55 |
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| soren | +1 | 07:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from soren. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 07:55 |
| dholbach | [endvote] | 07:55 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 | 07:55 |
| nixternal | congratulations and welcome a|wen!!! \o/ | 07:56 |
| dholbach | congratulations a|wen! :) | 07:56 |
| soren | Yay, more Danish MOTU's! | 07:56 |
| nixternal | another kubuntu suckah bites the dust :p | 07:56 |
| a|wen | thx everyone :) | 07:56 |
| persia | And has Toadstool returned? | 07:56 |
| a|wen | soren: yay! | 07:56 |
| dholbach | nobody expects the Danish ... err.... :) | 07:56 |
| nixternal | mmm, a danish...I am quite hungry actually :p | 07:56 |
| a|wen | haha | 07:56 |
| soren | nixternal: We /are/ tasty, aren't we? | 07:56 |
| nixternal | err, not that kind of danish your perverts! | 07:56 |
| soren | Oh. | 07:56 |
| * dholbach will cut that out of the meeting logs | 07:57 | |
| soren | :p | 07:57 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 07:57 |
| persia | Right. We've clearly lost cohesion. Let's call it done, and reconvene in a couple weeks. | 07:57 |
| dholbach | I propose we do Toadstool's re-application over mail if he doesn't turn up by the end of the hour. | 07:57 |
| nixternal | 2 minutes... | 07:58 |
| persia | I thought we didn't want to do them over mail anymore. | 07:58 |
| soren | persia: As a rule, we don't. Toadstool's appliaction is kind of special, though. | 07:58 |
| persia | soren, Why is it any different than any other reapplication? | 07:59 |
| dholbach | persia: I was thinking that it'd be nice if re-applications were unbureaucratic | 07:59 |
| soren | persia: We've been through this :) | 07:59 |
| soren | persia: Because it's a reapplication. | 07:59 |
| persia | dholbach, It's not that, it's that I think we ought to do it one way or the other. Mixing them just seems wrong. | 07:59 |
| soren | On a whim, yes. | 08:00 |
| soren | This is a special instance, though. | 08:00 |
| persia | Well, it's a rare instance, but I don't know why it's special, but I think I'm looking at a narrower thing than you (see above). | 08:00 |
| dholbach | I'm not really opposed to doing them in our meetings, I was just thinking that Jérémie waited 3 weeks now and given that his skills are undoubted mail might be more convenient | 08:01 |
| geser | did we grant the applicant the opportunity to process his application my mail if he can't make it to any meeting? | 08:01 |
| dholbach | (or at least I don't doubt his skills given his involvement in Ubuntu before) | 08:01 |
| dholbach | geser: yes, we said we are flexible :) | 08:02 |
| soren | persia: Oh, right I see what you said now. I missed a "re" somewhere :) | 08:02 |
| persia | Well, the other alternative would be to process in his absence. | 08:02 |
| persia | I'm not that excited about that, because I think it's unfair if we have unanswered questions. | 08:03 |
| dholbach | I agree, meeting to not ask questions is weird. :) | 08:03 |
| geser | me too | 08:03 |
| persia | On the other hand, I don't especially want to make him wait: I just think that if we switched from mail to meetings because we thought it was better, we should stick with that. | 08:03 |
| persia | I also think it's unfair to expect some applicants to appear at meetings, and other applicants to be processed by mail. | 08:04 |
| dholbach | I'm happy to make it an impromptu meeting then. I was just trying to avoid making him wait another 2 weeks. | 08:04 |
| persia | That said, if we want to declare that reapplications only require declaration of intent and plans, and we just do it, I'm good with that, but let it be a precedent. | 08:04 |
| soren | persia: Sounds reasonable. | 08:05 |
| nixternal | alrighty all, I am going to bed...I shall talk to you later on today :) | 08:05 |
| dholbach | night nixternal | 08:05 |
| nixternal | g'nite | 08:05 |
| dholbach | soren, geser, persia: so what's your favourite solution now? | 08:06 |
| * persia is unsure, but wants the chosen solution to not be "special". | 08:06 | |
| soren | When Toadstool shows up next, we can see if we can make quorum for an inpromptu meeting. | 08:07 |
| dholbach | soren: +1 | 08:07 |
| dholbach | As we've done that before, it wouldn't be a precedent. :-) | 08:07 |
| persia | I'm not opposed. Will we extend that to any applicant, or just for reapplicants? | 08:07 |
| dholbach | persia: we did it for Laney (I think) because of scheduling / timing problems 4 weeks ago | 08:08 |
| dholbach | so it's more a "be flexible when necessary" instead of a new "special rule" | 08:08 |
| persia | We did. Do we expect to keep doing that if there are issues with scheduling/timing? | 08:08 |
| soren | persia: I think that's a reasonable thing to offer to others. | 08:09 |
| soren | persia: We're all of course free to say that it's a bad time for us. | 08:09 |
| persia | OK. That seems reasonable. | 08:09 |
| dholbach | OK. :) | 08:09 |
| dholbach | [TOPIC] AOB | 08:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 08:09 |
| dholbach | geser, soren, persia: anything from you? | 08:09 |
| persia | So, if someone can't make a scheduled meeting, we will consider them for a possible ad-hoc meeting between the scheduled meeting and the next scheduled meeting. | 08:10 |
| persia | And if any of us have dire concerns or strong praise, we'll annotate the applicant wiki page after the missed meeting. | 08:10 |
| persia | Does that sound complete? | 08:10 |
| soren | persia: Perfect. | 08:11 |
| dholbach | The cases up until now were obvious: timezone confusion and dropping off the internet. | 08:11 |
| dholbach | We didn't have the case yet where an applicant said "I flat out can't make any of those times". | 08:12 |
| persia | Right. I'm essentially trying to establish a guideline that lets us reasonably say "yes" or "no" rather than "come to the next one". | 08:12 |
| dholbach | I'm happy with what you said above | 08:13 |
| persia | OK. That's three of us, which unfortunately isn't quorum. I'll bring it up at the next MC call, and if we have quorum, add it to the wiki page. | 08:14 |
| dholbach | ok great | 08:14 |
| dholbach | Is there any other business? | 08:14 |
| dholbach | I guess not. | 08:15 |
| dholbach | I'm happy to do the honours and update the agenda for next time. | 08:15 |
| dholbach | See you in two weeks! :) | 08:15 |
| dholbach | Thanks everybody | 08:15 |
| dholbach | #endmeeting | 08:15 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 03:15. | 08:15 |
| geser | I'm happy with the proposed solution (ad-hoc meetings) | 08:16 |
| persia | geser, Excellent. You save me having to remember the details :) I'll update the wiki page in a few hours. | 08:19 |
| dholbach | thanks persia | 08:19 |
| Toadstool | guys I'm really really sorry, stuck in traffic for 2 hours :( | 08:22 |
| dholbach | persia, soren, geser: still there? :) | 08:23 |
| * persia is still here | 08:23 | |
| * geser has to leave now, will be back in around 3 hours if necessary | 08:23 | |
| persia | That means no quorum for at least three hours, unless someone else appears. | 08:24 |
| Toadstool | I'll show up next meeting then, no worries :) | 08:24 |
| Toadstool | my fault anyways, I should have left home earlier | 08:24 |
| Toadstool | sorry about the inconvenience | 08:24 |
| dholbach | Toadstool: no worries - I'd be happy to make it an impromptu meeting later today if we can get quorum | 08:25 |
| Toadstool | dholbach: fine with me, just ping me if you do, thank you for the effort | 08:26 |
| * dholbach hugs Toadstool | 08:26 | |
| * Toadstool hugs dholbach back | 08:26 | |
| dholbach | jpds, geser, persia, Toadstool: around? :) | 09:52 |
| geser | yes :) | 09:52 |
| Toadstool | yep | 09:52 |
| persia | present | 09:52 |
| * jpds waves. | 09:53 | |
| dholbach | super | 09:53 |
| dholbach | #startmeeting | 09:53 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 04:53. The chair is dholbach. | 09:53 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 09:53 |
| persia | Did we lose soren in the interim? | 09:53 |
| dholbach | This is an impromptu meeting to deal with the re-application of Toadstool aka Jérémie Corbier. | 09:53 |
| dholbach | persia: I pinged him | 09:53 |
| Toadstool | first, I'd like to apologize and thank you all for showing up now :) | 09:53 |
| dholbach | [TOPIC] Re-activation of Jérémie Corbier | 09:54 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Re-activation of Jérémie Corbier | 09:54 |
| dholbach | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-February/002030.html | 09:54 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-February/002030.html | 09:54 |
| persia | Toadstool, You mention that you've been following process change to some degree. What changed most while you were away? | 09:54 |
| Toadstool | that's quite a lot of things to talk about but mainly SRUs and ways the different freezes are handled I guess | 09:55 |
| Toadstool | I don't know the exact changes to be honest, but I know things changed and I also know where to look at on the mailing lists and on the wiki | 09:56 |
| dholbach | Toadstool: is there anything that specifically interests you in the mobile world? | 09:56 |
| Toadstool | low level stuff, drivers, etc. but I have recently looked at how UIs are designed (Maemo, U Mobile, etc) and I think I am going to take a deeper look at that as well | 09:58 |
| dholbach | I'm sure the Ubuntu Mobile people will be pleased to get to know you | 09:59 |
| Toadstool | for what is worth, I am working as a linux embedded software engineer, so I have a good understanding of how things work on a mobile device ;) | 09:59 |
| dholbach | ah, I didn't know :) | 10:00 |
| dholbach | jpds, geser: do you have any questions? | 10:00 |
| persia | Toadstool, I'm also curious if you put anything in the sponsors queue while you were waiting to be MOTU again. | 10:00 |
| Toadstool | not yet, but I am currently working on putting the qc-usb driver into shape for Jaunty or Karmic | 10:01 |
| Toadstool | the package is ready, I just need to test it a little more | 10:02 |
| persia | Oh, excellent! | 10:02 |
| * soren is around-ish | 10:02 | |
| dholbach | soren: questions? :) | 10:03 |
| soren | None :) | 10:03 |
| jpds | None from me. | 10:04 |
| geser | no questions from me either | 10:05 |
| dholbach | persia: anything else from you? | 10:05 |
| persia | Nope. | 10:05 |
| dholbach | [VOTE] Shall Jérémie Corbier re-join the MOTU team? | 10:05 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Shall Jérémie Corbier re-join the MOTU team?. | 10:05 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 10:05 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 10:05 |
| dholbach | +1 | 10:05 |
| MootBot | +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 10:05 |
| persia | +1 | 10:05 |
| MootBot | +1 received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 10:05 |
| jpds | +1 | 10:05 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jpds. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 10:05 |
| geser | +1 | 10:06 |
| MootBot | +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 10:06 |
| dholbach | [endvote] | 10:06 |
| MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 | 10:06 |
| soren | +1 | 10:06 |
| soren | aw.. | 10:06 |
| dholbach | oops | 10:06 |
| dholbach | sorry soren :) | 10:06 |
| persia | That's +5! | 10:06 |
| dholbach | I thought we had all already | 10:06 |
| Toadstool | yay! \o/ | 10:06 |
| dholbach | congratulations Toadstool! | 10:06 |
| dholbach | and welcome back! | 10:06 |
| Toadstool | thank you guys! | 10:06 |
| persia | Welcome back Toadstool | 10:06 |
| geser | soren: two seconds to slow or dholbach two seconds too fast | 10:07 |
| Toadstool | and thanks for your time, greatly appreciated | 10:07 |
| dholbach | somebody wants to do the honours? | 10:07 |
| Toadstool | it's good to be back :) | 10:07 |
| * persia will do them if nobody else steps up, as dholbach already did several today | 10:07 | |
| * persia looks for someone else | 10:08 | |
| jpds | I can do it. | 10:08 |
| persia | Excellent. | 10:08 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot jpds | 10:08 |
| dholbach | #endmeeting | 10:08 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 05:08. | 10:08 |
| dholbach | Thanks a lot everybody! | 10:08 |
| Toadstool | thanks again | 10:09 |
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| pitti | hello | 14:00 |
| * lool waves | 14:00 | |
| fader | Howdy | 14:01 |
| cjwatson | afternoon | 14:01 |
| slangasek | morning | 14:01 |
| * pgraner waves | 14:02 | |
| slangasek | mdz, lool, Riddell, sbeattie, Hobbsee: ping | 14:04 |
| mdz | slangasek: emailed you earlier | 14:04 |
| lool | slangasek: 15:00 * lool waves | 14:04 |
| Riddell | hi | 14:04 |
| slangasek | mdz: ah, ok | 14:04 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 14:06 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:06. The chair is slangasek. | 14:06 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 14:06 |
| * slangasek waves back to lool, right :) | 14:06 | |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] outstanding actions | 14:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: outstanding actions | 14:06 |
| slangasek | actually only two of these carried over | 14:07 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: have you had a chance to prod anyone about helping with the Qt powerpc ICE? | 14:08 |
| cjwatson | unfortunately not, but I did (just today) ask IS to set up a jaunty chroot on davis, and with the aid of that I've reproduced the ICE just a few moments ago | 14:09 |
| cjwatson | so I'll put together the usual preprocessed source, with a minimal case if I can | 14:09 |
| slangasek | ok | 14:09 |
| cjwatson | sorry I'm a bit late on that | 14:10 |
| slangasek | it happens... :) | 14:10 |
| slangasek | the other carry-over was bug #88746, on my list. Still haven't had the block of time to dig through that bug and turn it into something sensible | 14:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 88746 in linux "ehci_hcd module causes I/O errors in USB 2.0 devices" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88746 | 14:11 |
| slangasek | since I haven't found the time for that, I'll happily give that over if someone else wants to volunteer to take it | 14:12 |
| slangasek | otherwise I'll keep it on my list | 14:12 |
| cjwatson | kernel perhaps? | 14:12 |
| * rtg ducks | 14:12 | |
| cjwatson | or did they explicitly ask for others to look at it? | 14:12 |
| slangasek | they explicitly disclaimed responsibility for that morass of a bug report :) | 14:13 |
| rtg | cjwatson: its one of those enormous dogpile bugs. | 14:13 |
| cjwatson | rtg: oh, I know the feeling, believe me ... | 14:13 |
| slangasek | well, nobody jumping up and down to take it, I'll keep it in my pile | 14:14 |
| slangasek | btw, mdz sent me a couple of other items for the agenda which I'll insert at the end | 14:15 |
| lool | The "surprize" items | 14:15 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Future issues expected to impact the release | 14:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Future issues expected to impact the release | 14:15 |
| lool | Is that free floor? | 14:15 |
| slangasek | i.e., anything in the pipeline from anyone's team that we need to be aware of? | 14:16 |
| pitti | desktop team still has 4, I'm afraid | 14:16 |
| slangasek | pitti: go ahead | 14:16 |
| pitti | they are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus, but the most important one is the potential update of -intel | 14:16 |
| pitti | currently we are leaning much towards "no" | 14:16 |
| pitti | but if testing shows that it works much better than the current one, without much regressions, we might consider it | 14:17 |
| pitti | given intel's recent problems with it's QA, we are kind of sitting between a rock and a hard place here | 14:17 |
| cjwatson | my impression is that -intel has been flakier than desirable this cycle | 14:17 |
| pitti | cjwatson: very much so | 14:17 |
| lool | I'd like to mention that we're currently spending all our efforts getting imx51/babbage daily images in place; this is unfortunately bound to some problems: building RedBoot requires a cross toolchain, we'd like to avoid that in main but we need a redboot binary for the images; I'm still not done with the tool to generate RedBoot binary config partitions from scratch; VFP is blocked on having a new kernel on the buildds and porter box, but ... | 14:17 |
| pitti | it's so ironic that ATI cards which everyone hated a year or two ago are now almost working better than intel ones :/ | 14:18 |
| lool | ... that's getting close | 14:18 |
| * slangasek nods to pitti. | 14:18 | |
| rtg | pitti: ATI support for several Radeon controllers is still forthcoming. I'll get them done in time for Beta. | 14:18 |
| pitti | slangasek: so, I'm very conservative about this, but we should at least keep the option on the table | 14:18 |
| slangasek | lool: why does it require a cross-toolchain? | 14:18 |
| slangasek | pitti: right, understood | 14:18 |
| slangasek | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-03-13 | 14:18 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-03-13 | 14:18 |
| pitti | rtg: right, is that update (DRI for r6xx/r7xx) already committed, or are there problems with it? | 14:19 |
| lool | slangasek: I don't have the specifics, NCommander has and I've asked him to write them down and we might get help from ARM folks who know RedBoot well to debug | 14:19 |
| * slangasek gets the agenda up, so the topics are less of a surprise :) | 14:19 | |
| rtg | pitti: no, just couldn't get it done in time for A6. | 14:19 |
| lool | slangasek: I wish we'd build with a native toolchain, but ECos upstream (used in RedBoot) doesn't support native builds but only arm-unknown-eabi ones | 14:19 |
| slangasek | hrm, odd | 14:19 |
| lool | In the meantime, NCommander proceeds to packaging a cross toolchain | 14:19 |
| pitti | rtg: that's fine | 14:19 |
| lool | slangasek: I didn't work directly on this, but will hand you the details when I get them from NCommander | 14:20 |
| slangasek | lool: understood, thanks | 14:20 |
| rtg | lool: the kernel team wouldn't mind a cross tool chain for testing kernel builds | 14:20 |
| slangasek | rtg: it sounds like it's arm-cross-arm, not arm-cross-something-fast :) | 14:20 |
| lool | rtg: I was working on a convenience one for this reason, but having one in main doesn't sound like a good idea | 14:21 |
| rtg | lool: something that worked on Jaunty would be fine with me | 14:21 |
| lool | slangasek: We can discuss this particular topic into details if you like, but NCommander proposed an i386->arm toolchain to build an arch: all binary with the redboot as "data" in it; I'm not too hot though | 14:21 |
| slangasek | lool: ah, ok | 14:22 |
| lool | I think we don't need to cover the details here though, and that's currently the workaround solution, my personal preference is for a native build | 14:22 |
| slangasek | that seems unnecessary to me; but we can talk about it after the meeting | 14:22 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] general feature update | 14:22 |
| MootBot | New Topic: general feature update | 14:22 |
| lool | It might be only needed in jaunty where we release these particular SD image with RedBoot, hopefully we wont need to include it in future images | 14:22 |
| pitti | desktop features> all specs done \o/ | 14:23 |
| slangasek | I'm hoping there's nothing to discuss for this topic, but just in case :) anyone have features still coming in that we need to know about? | 14:23 |
| pitti | slangasek: Mark wants plymouth in jaunty | 14:23 |
| lool | VFP patches | 14:23 |
| pitti | (just kidding) | 14:23 |
| lool | pitti: :-) | 14:23 |
| slangasek | heh :) | 14:23 |
| rtg | pitti: you had me going for a second | 14:24 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Spot check on the status of ATI DRI patches | 14:24 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Spot check on the status of ATI DRI patches | 14:24 |
| cjwatson | foundations is mostly ok, but we still have a few that need polishing | 14:24 |
| pitti | bah, it's just not the same on IRC, without seeing slangasek's boggled face IRL | 14:24 |
| lool | slangasek: We expect to work until the last minute on imx51/babbage bug fixes, the kernel is quite rough and we're seeing some userspace issues | 14:24 |
| cjwatson | and there are a few extra-FF ones, like James' daily builds / dist. dev. work | 14:24 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: I'm curious about grub2 ... | 14:24 |
| slangasek | oh, oops, one minute is too small a window - I thought jokes meant we were done ;) | 14:24 |
| pitti | new ATI xorg driver is in jaunty now | 14:24 |
| rtg | slangasek: I'll get ATI kernel patches in the next upload | 14:25 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: I have email from evand saying that grub2 is only available for preseeding; is that how we want to ship it? | 14:26 |
| slangasek | rtg: excellent, thanks :) | 14:26 |
| lool | Oh and I'm happy to report UNR is in a good shape | 14:26 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: perhaps we should promote it to something you can select in expert mode | 14:27 |
| slangasek | right, that sounds good to me | 14:27 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: which is how it is in Debian anyway | 14:27 |
| cjwatson | so that's just reverting a patch | 14:27 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek to make grub2 available in installer expert mode | 14:28 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: slangasek to make grub2 available in installer expert mode | 14:28 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: besides that, I think we're already there code-wise | 14:28 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/grub-installer/ubuntu r714 FWIW | 14:29 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Hardware testing | 14:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Hardware testing | 14:29 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: ack, thanks | 14:29 |
| cjwatson | grub-pc will have to go in main for it to work | 14:29 |
| slangasek | ah | 14:29 |
| cjwatson | err ... maybe | 14:29 |
| cjwatson | try it :) | 14:29 |
| slangasek | will do. :) | 14:29 |
| cjwatson | hardware testing fell victim to the udev/partitioner races, I know | 14:30 |
| cjwatson | fader: have you had a chance to retry with server CD 20090311.1 yet? | 14:30 |
| slangasek | fader: mdz also writes that he's expecting some reporting today; is that done / linked from somewhere? | 14:31 |
| fader | cjwatson: It was supposed to happen overnight but there was a checkbox issue that prevented it. He's working on it now, so we should have a retest later today sometime. | 14:31 |
| mdz | fader: expecting an up-to-date test report for all operational hardware | 14:31 |
| cjwatson | fader: right, ok | 14:31 |
| fader | Reporting is coming up now... schwuk was working on the report. It should be available in ~5 minutes. | 14:31 |
| cjwatson | fader: I started a bit late due to a doctor's appointment, so will be around a little more into the evening | 14:32 |
| cjwatson | in case that's useful | 14:32 |
| fader | cjwatson: Great. I am in Montreal now and will be flying back to the US this evening but I think that's fairly late into your night anyway | 14:32 |
| cjwatson | definitely | 14:32 |
| fader | So I will bug you if and when I can reproduce that issue. | 14:32 |
| slangasek | ~5min - let's move on and fader can catch us up with the report when it's available | 14:33 |
| cjwatson | it's useful to know that you have a 50-75% reproduction rate, though; that will really speed things up | 14:33 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Regressions | 14:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Regressions | 14:34 |
| slangasek | mdz asks if we know whether the regressions list is getting shorter or longer over time | 14:34 |
| slangasek | robbiew: ISTR you had some conversations with QA about this? | 14:34 |
| robbiew | hmmm | 14:35 |
| cjwatson | I don't have hard numbers, but the regressions-potential list looks about the same as the last time I looked at it | 14:35 |
| cjwatson | still only two bugs there that are obviously foundations (one of those unreproducible) | 14:35 |
| * robbiew recalls something...but pretty sure he didn't follow through :/ | 14:35 | |
| * robbiew will follow up | 14:35 | |
| slangasek | yes, the count doesn't look much different to me | 14:35 |
| cjwatson | http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/regression-potential/ | 14:36 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/regression-potential/ | 14:36 |
| robbiew | slangasek: I know mdz was interested in seeing new regressions for the week highlighted in this meeting | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | also other directories in there with obvious names | 14:36 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: oh hey, nice | 14:36 |
| robbiew | slangasek: as well as any that closed...basically tracking th incoming/closure rates | 14:37 |
| slangasek | robbiew: ah, yes - that means having state somewhere telling us when bugs are marked as regressions | 14:37 |
| cjwatson | it's a little hard to follow the numbers there | 14:37 |
| slangasek | which LP itself doesn't appear to give us :/ | 14:37 |
| cjwatson | since there's no "all open states" line | 14:37 |
| slangasek | right | 14:37 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: ^- would be useful | 14:37 |
| cjwatson | gut feel looks like up somewhat over the last month or two, but down from levels at the same point last release | 14:39 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Beta testing | 14:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Beta testing | 14:39 |
| slangasek | mdz mentions that, as we've made some infrastructural changes this cycle, it would be useful to include a call for testing with pointers to test plans as part of the beta announcement | 14:40 |
| slangasek | he gives hotkeys as an example | 14:40 |
| robbiew | heh | 14:41 |
| cjwatson | based on the technical overview, presumably | 14:41 |
| slangasek | are there others calls for testing we want to include in the beta announcement? | 14:41 |
| cjwatson | ext4 perhaps? | 14:41 |
| cjwatson | most of the new features we've implemented are probably candidates | 14:41 |
| slangasek | I would tend to shy away from that one because we already know what the biggest ext4 issue is | 14:41 |
| slangasek | and having broad testing is probably not going to get us actionable feedback? | 14:42 |
| slangasek | (just "ext4 ate my files!") | 14:42 |
| robbiew | boot speed? :P | 14:42 |
| mdz | "make sure your system still boots" | 14:42 |
| mdz | suspend/resume is another | 14:42 |
| pitti | upgrades on ATI hardware | 14:43 |
| pitti | (for the fglrx -> ati transitioning) | 14:43 |
| pgraner | mdz: ack we are doing a CFT for beata on suspend resume | 14:43 |
| lool | Frequency scaling? | 14:43 |
| pitti | lool: how is that new? | 14:43 |
| mdz | notifications | 14:43 |
| lool | pitti: It's in kernel and relies on particular ordering of driver init | 14:43 |
| cjwatson | Kickstart LVM support | 14:43 |
| pitti | lool: oh, you mean test that it still works properly? | 14:43 |
| lool | pitti: yes | 14:43 |
| mdz | update management | 14:43 |
| slangasek | pgraner: is there a test plan written up in the wiki currently? Then I can link to it in the beta announcement, in addition to any CFT you guys do | 14:44 |
| mdz | pulse audio? | 14:44 |
| lool | slangasek: Hey why don't you go over jaunty-changes for the last 6 months? | 14:44 |
| cjwatson | computer-janitor | 14:44 |
| pgraner | slangasek: yes ogasawara can work with you on that | 14:44 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek to get suspend/resume test plan from ogra | 14:44 |
| slangasek | er | 14:44 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: slangasek to get suspend/resume test plan from ogra | 14:44 |
| cjwatson | accessibility in installer / live CD (was busted, has been fixed) | 14:44 |
| slangasek | will fix the action in post-production :-P | 14:44 |
| cjwatson | LVM by default on the server | 14:44 |
| slangasek | lool: that sounds... inefficient | 14:45 |
| pgraner | slangasek: that should be ogasawara | 14:45 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek to get suspend/resume test plan from ogasawara, who is not interchangeable with ogra | 14:45 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: slangasek to get suspend/resume test plan from ogasawara, who is not interchangeable with ogra | 14:45 |
| pgraner | slangasek: :-) | 14:46 |
| ogra | well, if she takes over ARM enablement, i'm happy to write nifty plans :) | 14:46 |
| slangasek | heh | 14:46 |
| lool | slangasek: I was just kidding :) | 14:46 |
| * lool should include a :-P next time | 14:46 | |
| slangasek | ok, I think that gives me a good list to work with, thanks; I'll collate those suggestions and follow up with people individually for details as necessary | 14:46 |
| slangasek | fader: does schwuk happen to have that report ready? | 14:48 |
| fader | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html | 14:48 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html | 14:48 |
| fader | He's adding in the notes about machines that are untested (i.e. RT tickets, status of hardware with issues) | 14:48 |
| fader | I will update the report once that data is available | 14:49 |
| pitti | hm, details link is again needing login | 14:49 |
| slangasek | ah, anticipating my question :) | 14:49 |
| fader | slangasek: waiting for the right time :) | 14:49 |
| robbiew | mine too | 14:49 |
| fader | Details leads to the certification website; if you need a login please email me | 14:49 |
| cjwatson | three failures, all Kubuntu; is that a specific issue with Kubuntu or coincidence? | 14:49 |
| fader | cjwatson: It's a coincidence... the report right now is showing only the most recently tested image. We're actually testing a *lot* more than you see here. My plan for the next iteration of this is to show all the various images as well | 14:50 |
| fader | It just hasn't made it in yet as I've been struggling to make sure things get tested... now that that is slowly falling into place I can focus more on improving the data that we're sharing | 14:51 |
| fader | (Or will be able to once the obvious laptop testing break is fixed, but cr3 is working on that) | 14:51 |
| slangasek | that's it from me - anything else before we adjourn? | 14:52 |
| cjwatson | should a summary of the cert testing be rolled into http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/weatherreport.html now that it's more useful? | 14:53 |
| slangasek | good idea | 14:53 |
| fader | cjwatson: I'd be happy to work with ogasawara to get that in if you can tell me what would be useful to see there | 14:53 |
| slangasek | fader: a pass/fail/untested count, plus a link to the full report | 14:54 |
| fader | Are you looking for a full report on all hardware or just a simple status like pass/fail count? | 14:54 |
| fader | slangasek: Great, I'll contact ogasawara about that and get that in there | 14:54 |
| cjwatson | I suspect a one-line summary kind of thing would fit better | 14:54 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] fader to follow up with ogasawara about linking the HW cert report from the weather report | 14:55 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: fader to follow up with ogasawara about linking the HW cert report from the weather report | 14:55 |
| cjwatson | perhaps X failed out of Y tested | 14:55 |
| cjwatson | ... right, as slangasek said but I was too dopey to read | 14:55 |
| fader | Hehe | 14:55 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:56. | 14:56 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 14:56 |
| slangasek | thanks, all. :) | 14:56 |
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| MTecknology | eh... nvm | 22:51 |
| MTecknology | sorry, wrong chan | 22:52 |
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