[06:59] <dholbach> good morning :)
[06:59] <persia> Let's get started then.
[06:59] <nixternal> good morning to you
[07:00] <persia> First, let's find out who's here.
[07:00] <fabrice_sp> Good morning
[07:00] <fabrice_sp> o/
[07:00] <rgreening> morning nixternal, persia
[07:00] <fabrice_sp> but I only can attend the first 15 minutes :-/
[07:00] <persia> Toadstool, geser soren awen jpds nhandler ?
[07:00] <soren> o/
[07:00] <nixternal> \o
[07:00] <persia> fabrice_sp, In that case, you go first (if we can finish in 15 minutes)
[07:00] <fabrice_sp> ok
[07:01] <dholbach> #startmeeting
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[07:01] <a|wen> hi everyone
[07:01] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Fabrice Coutadeur
[07:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Fabrice Coutadeur
[07:01] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabriceCoutadeur/UniverseContributorApplication
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning fabrice_sp - how are you doing?
[07:01] <fabrice_sp> good morning dholbach ! I'm doing fine, thanks :-)
[07:01] <fabrice_sp> and good morning everyone
[07:02] <dholbach> fabrice_sp: in your application you say that the first contact with the Ubuntu community is not as smooth as it could be - do you have an example for that?
[07:03] <fabrice_sp> dholbach, I first came to the community to have dvdstyler integrated, and made the upload to REVU
[07:03] <fabrice_sp> and after that, I've been lost :-)
[07:03] <dholbach> because it took too long to get it reviewed?
[07:03] <fabrice_sp> I didn't expect the package to take so long to be accepted
[07:03] <fabrice_sp> yes
[07:03] <fabrice_sp> now, I understand why (and my packaging is a lot better :-)
[07:04] <dholbach> :)
[07:04] <dholbach> Do you think the documentation or "the path to contributing" was clear enough?
[07:04] <persia> Do you have any suggestions that could either improve the experience, or better set expecations?
[07:04] <fabrice_sp> also, I'm quite a hy guy, and never used irc before
[07:04] <fabrice_sp> weel, the previous documentation spoke about uploading new packages to revu as the first step
[07:05] <fabrice_sp> and oviously, it shouldn't be the first step
[07:05] <soren> "hy"?
[07:05]  * persia suspects a dropped 's'
[07:05] <soren> Ah.
[07:05] <fabrice_sp> yes, sorry
[07:05]  * soren is still waking up :)
[07:05] <fabrice_sp> my wireless keyboard drop some letters sometime
[07:05] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[07:06] <soren> That's ok. My brain tends to do the same. Or insert new ones at random. It's very confusing.
[07:06] <dholbach> fabrice_sp: So you'd say that we could do a better job at guiding new contributors towards learning packaging and probably work on some existing packages beforehand?
[07:07] <fabrice_sp> dholbach, yes. I also already helped in a non official way some people interested in packaging stuff
[07:07] <fabrice_sp> in private chatrooms, but for the moment, none is still around
[07:08] <fabrice_sp> I think that even with few experience, you can still help a lot
[07:08] <fabrice_sp> even in REVU :-)
[07:08] <persia> fabrice_sp, You seem to use your PPA for backporting.  Have you considered involvement with the backporters?
[07:08] <nixternal> that is a very nice chunk of uploaded packages you have there fabrice_sp. One question, what happened with im-sdk and are you in the process of getting that fixed and reuploaded?
[07:09] <fabrice_sp> persia, yes. I also receive some request directly to my mailbox, that I try to upload
[07:09] <fabrice_sp> nixternal, it's failing because of debug packages
[07:10] <fabrice_sp> I opened another bug report for that, and assigned it to pkg-create-dbgsym package
[07:10] <fabrice_sp> in the meantime, I'm still trying to get it fixed (playing with debug compilation options)
[07:11] <nixternal> fabrice_sp: groovy, great job on your packaging contributions and some really good testimonials as well
[07:11] <dholbach> wow... good work
[07:11] <fabrice_sp> thanks :-) I've been a lot more active since I applied to u-c-d
[07:11] <dholbach> fabrice_sp: I noticed :)
[07:11] <dholbach> soren, geser, nixternal, persia: any more questions?
[07:11] <fabrice_sp> working also on python2.6 transition now
[07:12] <nixternal> a lot more active than I have been, though dholbach has me working my fingers to the bone on other projects :p
[07:12] <nixternal> dholbach: I am good
[07:12] <fabrice_sp> dholbach, :-) You sponsored a lot of my uploads :-)
[07:12] <soren> Nope, I'm good.
[07:12] <geser> no question from me
[07:13] <nixternal> persia must have gone down for more sushi
[07:13] <persia> fabrice_sp, You say you plan to work on packages "better if linked to Video edition".  Could you share what that is?
[07:13] <persia> I've not heard of it before.
[07:13] <persia> No, I'm just a slow typist.
[07:13] <fabrice_sp> I mean, my first area of interest is video edition
[07:14] <fabrice_sp> so, that's why I have in my ppa dvbcut, dvdstyler, openmovieeditor, ...
[07:14] <soren> Are they not in the official archives at all or do you just have fresher versions in your ppa?
[07:14] <fabrice_sp> but I've touching a lot of different packages lately, so it's really my first area of interest, but not the only one :-)
[07:14] <nixternal> and he lives in one of my favorite places in the world too, madrid..so now I know where I can crash next time I am out there :p
[07:14] <fabrice_sp> soren, fresher versions, most of the time
[07:15] <soren> fabrice_sp: Ok, cool.
[07:15] <persia> I'm more curious about the nomenclature "video edition", but it's not important to my decision.
[07:15] <fabrice_sp> for Openmovieeditor, it's more ocmplicated as the new version requires a lot of new packages
[07:15] <dholbach> persia: "video editing" maybe
[07:15] <fabrice_sp> dholbach, persia: yes
[07:15] <persia> OK.
[07:15] <dholbach> persia: good to go?
[07:15] <fabrice_sp> I mean converting old family videos to DVD's
[07:16] <persia> dholbach, Yes.
[07:16] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabriceCoutadeur  <- I wish I was that organized
[07:16] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Fabrice Coutadeur become Contributing Developer?
[07:16] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Fabrice Coutadeur become Contributing Developer?.
[07:16] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[07:16] <nixternal> +1
[07:16] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[07:16] <dholbach> +1
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[07:16] <persia> +1
[07:16] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[07:16] <soren> +1
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[07:16] <nixternal> psst, geser, your turn
[07:16] <geser> +1
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[07:16] <nixternal> hehe
[07:16] <dholbach> how do I end the vote again?
[07:16] <dholbach> #endvote
[07:16] <nixternal> #endvote
[07:16] <nixternal> [endvote]
[07:17] <rgreening> wonder if I can go next?
[07:17] <dholbach> [endvote]
[07:17] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[07:17] <dholbach> congratulations fabrice_sp
[07:17] <nixternal> rgreening: you are going last, we want it to be like 5am when it is your turn :p
[07:17] <dholbach> :-)
[07:17] <nixternal> congratulations and welcome fabrice_sp!!!
[07:17] <fabrice_sp> thanks to all! :-)
[07:17] <rgreening> It is 5 am
[07:17] <nixternal> no, thank you
[07:17] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Roderick B. Greening
[07:17] <nixternal> rgreening: is it?
[07:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roderick B. Greening
[07:17] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rgreening/DeveloperApplicationMOTU
[07:17] <rgreening> morning all :)
[07:18]  * a|wen waves at rgreening
[07:18] <cody-somerville> Is this the MC meeting?
[07:18] <dholbach> cody-somerville: yes
[07:18] <persia> cody-somerville, Yes.
[07:18] <rgreening> o/ a|wen
[07:18] <cody-somerville> Can I do an impromptu application for core-dev as I don't imagine I'll generally be aware at this hour again anytime soon?
[07:18] <nixternal> damn, rgreening you messaged me too to put an indorsement on your wiki page...I apologize for totally forgetting
[07:18] <persia> rgreening, You say you need to read more documentation.  Could you share why you think you've read enough to be MOTU?
[07:19] <dholbach> rgreening: almost every sponsor mentions the danger of over-committing - what do you think about that?
[07:19] <rgreening> nixternal: thats ok, you can skip that and just + 1 me now
[07:19] <persia> cody-somerville, No.  Applications need a week discussion period before discussion.  There's another meeting at 17UTC, which might work better for you?
[07:19] <persia> s/discussion/consideration/2
[07:19]  * Hobbsee_ cheers for rgreening 
[07:19] <cody-somerville> persia, Okay, great.
[07:19] <dholbach> cody-somerville: could you please follow  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers ?
[07:19] <nixternal> MC: I can definitely endorse rgreening, even if he did keep me awake at UDS from snoring...totally awesome work he has done in Kubuntu and I believe some of it has gone upstream or is going upstream...
[07:19] <rgreening> persia: one can NEVER read too much. I can attest that to the 100's of tech books i have
[07:19] <dholbach> cody-somerville: it'll make it a bit easier for us to prepare, etc.
[07:19] <cody-somerville> dholbach, I was just being facetious anyhow. No problem :)
[07:20] <rgreening> dholbach: thats all in ref to UDS. I was quite the eager beaver. and that was also many months back
[07:20] <nixternal> hahaha, that is funny, rgreening what did I say to you at UDS? :)
[07:20] <dholbach> rgreening: ah, so you're not the eager beaver anymore? :)
[07:21] <rgreening> dholbach: I now have a realistic view of things. this allows me to accept work that can be done
[07:21] <rgreening> and not take on too much.
[07:21] <rgreening> right nixternal
[07:21] <dholbach> rgreening: how's the work on kpackagekit coming on?
[07:22] <rgreening> good dholbach. I have been learning a lot on it.
[07:22] <nixternal> totally awesome dholbach :)  I finally don't have that annoying other k package thingy, I already forgot its name
[07:22] <rgreening> I have a couple of patches already in
[07:22] <nixternal> adept, that was it
[07:23] <dholbach> rgreening: I know that glatzor did some work around handling debconf stuff and questions asked by the package installation process - does that work in kpackagekit already?
[07:23] <rgreening> and dholbachworking on other patches now. also the new app-install spec was initiated by me with upstream
[07:23] <rgreening> dholbach: that would be a back-end. should be immediately available to kpackagekit. I can certainly check with glatzor to verify
[07:24] <dholbach> rgreening: well, some parts of it should be part of the front-end too, no? :)
[07:24] <rgreening> dholbach: yes. correct.
[07:25] <rgreening> not sure if it was integrated yet into 0.4.
[07:25] <dholbach> ok
[07:25] <rgreening> but it should be easy if it's not yet there.
[07:25] <rgreening> the code for kpackagekit it really clean
[07:26] <persia> rgreening, Two of your endorsers comment that they'd like to see more varied work, and you mention work with the server team as a future plan.  What steps have you taken in that direction so far?
[07:26] <rgreening> I have discussed woth ScottK on how to get more involved with the team. I have also jumped in the IRC channel for server to see what needs doing.
[07:27] <rgreening> I have some ideas for UDS and next server release
[07:27] <rgreening> to do with security packaging. thats an area I am really familiar with
[07:27] <persia> And you also mention that you'd like to work more closely with the GNOME team.  How is that progressing?
[07:27] <rgreening> specifically firewalls.
[07:28] <rgreening> well, glatzor and I have been colaborating with packagekit ideas (for Gnome/KDE).
[07:29] <rgreening> I have also worked with some packagers of Gnome apps to help reduce unnecessary deps in packages.
[07:30] <rgreening> did I miss anyones questions?
[07:30] <rgreening> :)
[07:31] <dholbach> soren, persia, nixternal, geser: any more questions?
[07:31] <rgreening> I have also worked with fixing python 2.6 transition in some packages for ScottK
[07:31] <nixternal> none here
[07:31] <geser> no
[07:31] <soren> Nope.
[07:31] <persia> all set
[07:32] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Roderick Greening join the MOTU team?
[07:32] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Roderick Greening join the MOTU team?.
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[07:33] <dholbach> +1
[07:33] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[07:33] <nixternal> +1
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[07:33] <persia> +1
[07:33] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[07:33] <geser> +1
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[07:33] <soren> 1+
[07:33] <soren> Heh. Whoops
[07:33] <soren> +1
[07:33] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[07:33] <dholbach> hehe
[07:33] <nixternal> lol
[07:33] <dholbach> [endvote]
[07:33] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[07:33] <dholbach> congratulations rgreening
[07:33] <dholbach> and good night :-)
[07:33] <nixternal> congrats and welcome rgreening !!! \o/
[07:33] <rgreening> ty.
[07:33] <rgreening> :)
[07:34] <a|wen> congrats rgreening!
[07:34] <nixternal> and another kubuntu suckah bites the dust
[07:34] <rgreening> gl a|wen
[07:34] <a|wen> thx
[07:34] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Jérémie Corbier
[07:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jérémie Corbier
[07:34] <dholbach> hey Toadstool - how are you doing?
[07:34] <dholbach> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-February/002030.html
[07:34] <nixternal> woohoo Toadstool...welcome back :)
[07:34]  * rgreening sleeps for 2 hrs now.. before work.
[07:34] <a|wen> nn rgreening
[07:35] <nixternal> g'nite rgreening
[07:35] <nixternal> hrmm, where did he go?
[07:35] <dholbach> Toadstool: did you find your way back into the Ubuntu Development world easily?
[07:37]  * persia suspects Toadstool is otherwise occupied
[07:38] <dholbach> let's wait another 2 minutes and then do a|wen first?
[07:39] <a|wen> fine for me
[07:39] <a|wen> :)
[07:40] <dholbach> ok... Toadstool: we'll get back to you
[07:40] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Andreas Wenning
[07:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Andreas Wenning
[07:40] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasWenning/DeveloperApplication
[07:41] <a|wen> hi! all around
[07:41] <dholbach> How's Thailand? Are you in touch with any local group there? :)
[07:42] <a|wen> it's good :) ... no sadly not; but i'm sure to "promoting" some (k)ubuntu whenever i can
[07:44]  * a|wen found an ubuntu sticker on one of the office doors of his department the other day
[07:44] <dholbach> a|wen: how has the work been with the Security team? have you had the chance to work directly with them?
[07:44] <geser> how comes that so many kubuntu developers are applying? doesn't ubuntu-desktop need any more devs or is kubuntu simply better at recruiting?
[07:44] <persia> a|wen, You mention work on security updates.  Have you had any involvement with MOTU SWAT?
[07:44] <persia> geser, Probably just cyclical: it was the other way for quite a while.
[07:45] <nixternal> geser: and lets not forget that 3 out of 7 MC members are also Kubuntu developers :)
[07:45] <nixternal> it is an invasion I tell you
[07:45] <a|wen> dholbach: not directly no ... until now i've simply been preparing an upload for the full stack and trying to get a sponsor
[07:45] <dholbach> a|wen: I'm sure they're going to appreciate helping hands. :-)
[07:46] <Stskeeps> jaunty, bzr qt3 , sourcepackage qt4=4.5.0-0maemo0mer1
[07:46] <Stskeeps> er, sorry
[07:46] <a|wen> but i might try to get involved with motu swat soon ... i think security updates are very important to focus at
[07:47] <a|wen> geser: they (we) are good at welcoming people in the kubuntu camp ... and the kde-packaging is streamlined (thx apachelogger) to easily get people to help; that has worked really good
[07:47] <nixternal> I can also provide some endorsement on a|wen...he has done a tremendous job with helping on the KDE 4.x packages and helping out others as well in regards to packaging in #kubuntu-devel...he has been around a long time and always found a way to contribute substantially
[07:48] <dholbach> a|wen: you said you're maintaining packages in debian itself too?
[07:48] <a|wen> thx nixternal :)
[07:48] <persia> a|wen, https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker might address part of your "What I like least in Ubuntu" concern.
[07:48] <nixternal> heh, all this time I thought you were a MOTU already..then again, when you went for Kubuntu Member I thought you were already a member then as well
[07:48] <a|wen> dholbach: correct ... i have python-uniconvertor (currently in ubuntu/main); and two apache modules
[07:49] <dholbach> a|wen: Do you think we're doing a good job at working with Debian in general?
[07:49] <a|wen> persia: uhh; i should look at that one and see, what that is
[07:50] <a|wen> dholbach: in general yes, but everyone needs to be aware of it ... i'm very focused on sending patches upstream to debian, but we need all to be that
[07:51] <a|wen> we'll all benefit for getting patches/changes/improvements to debian to cut down on the diff ... we also need to better to that with the current kde-packaging
[07:51] <dholbach> a|wen: anything we could do to give it more visibility?
[07:52] <a|wen> dholbach: adding it as part of the merge-process? (can't remember if it is already there)
[07:53] <dholbach> I *think* it's mentioned there.
[07:53] <dholbach> Anyway, I was just interested to hear the views from somebody who "lives in both worlds".
[07:53] <dholbach> soren, geser, persia, nixternal: any more questions?
[07:53] <nixternal> none here
[07:54] <geser> dholbach: no, you'are doing the questioning great, you haven't unlearned anything in your MC absence time :)
[07:54] <a|wen> dholbach: and as a sponsor we should remember asking if it is done ... i'm often asked by eg. ScottK if i remembered to send it upstream (luckily i often have)
[07:54] <soren> dholbach: Yeah, what geser said :)
[07:54] <dholbach> geser: :-)
[07:55] <dholbach> a|wen: I guess you're going to bear that in mind, when doing sponsoring yourself? :)
[07:55] <persia> I don't have any more questions.  I've been quite impressed with the quality of changelog entries in the patches I've seen.
[07:55] <dholbach> alright.........
[07:55] <a|wen> dholbach: of course :)
[07:55] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Andreas Wenning join the MOTU team?
[07:55] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Andreas Wenning join the MOTU team?.
[07:55] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[07:55] <nixternal> +1
[07:55] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[07:55] <dholbach> +1
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[07:55] <geser> +1
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[07:55] <persia> +1
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[07:55] <soren> +1
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[07:55] <dholbach> [endvote]
[07:55] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[07:56] <nixternal> congratulations and welcome a|wen!!! \o/
[07:56] <dholbach> congratulations a|wen! :)
[07:56] <soren> Yay, more Danish MOTU's!
[07:56] <nixternal> another kubuntu suckah bites the dust :p
[07:56] <a|wen> thx everyone :)
[07:56] <persia> And has Toadstool returned?
[07:56] <a|wen> soren: yay!
[07:56] <dholbach> nobody expects the Danish ... err.... :)
[07:56] <nixternal> mmm, a danish...I am quite hungry actually :p
[07:56] <a|wen> haha
[07:56] <soren> nixternal: We /are/ tasty, aren't we?
[07:56] <nixternal> err, not that kind of danish your perverts!
[07:56] <soren> Oh.
[07:57]  * dholbach will cut that out of the meeting logs
[07:57] <soren> :p
[07:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:57] <persia> Right.  We've clearly lost cohesion.  Let's call it done, and reconvene in a couple weeks.
[07:57] <dholbach> I propose we do Toadstool's re-application over mail if he doesn't turn up by the end of the hour.
[07:58] <nixternal> 2 minutes...
[07:58] <persia> I thought we didn't want to do them over mail anymore.
[07:58] <soren> persia: As a rule, we don't. Toadstool's appliaction is kind of special, though.
[07:59] <persia> soren, Why is it any different than any other reapplication?
[07:59] <dholbach> persia: I was thinking that it'd be nice if re-applications were unbureaucratic
[07:59] <soren> persia: We've been through this :)
[07:59] <soren> persia: Because it's a reapplication.
[07:59] <persia> dholbach, It's not that, it's that I think we ought to do it one way or the other.  Mixing them just seems wrong.
[08:00] <soren> On a whim, yes.
[08:00] <soren> This is a special instance, though.
[08:00] <persia> Well, it's a rare instance, but I don't know why it's special, but I think I'm looking at a narrower thing than you (see above).
[08:01] <dholbach> I'm not really opposed to doing them in our meetings, I was just thinking that Jérémie waited 3 weeks now and given that his skills are undoubted mail might be more convenient
[08:01] <geser> did we grant the applicant the opportunity to process his application my mail if he can't make it to any meeting?
[08:01] <dholbach> (or at least I don't doubt his skills given his involvement in Ubuntu before)
[08:02] <dholbach> geser: yes, we said we are flexible :)
[08:02] <soren> persia: Oh, right I see what you said now. I missed a "re" somewhere :)
[08:02] <persia> Well, the other alternative would be to process in his absence.
[08:03] <persia> I'm not that excited about that, because I think it's unfair if we have unanswered questions.
[08:03] <dholbach> I agree, meeting to not ask questions is weird. :)
[08:03] <geser> me too
[08:03] <persia> On the other hand, I don't especially want to make him wait: I just think that if we switched from mail to meetings because we thought it was better, we should stick with that.
[08:04] <persia> I also think it's unfair to expect some applicants to appear at meetings, and other applicants to be processed by mail.
[08:04] <dholbach> I'm happy to make it an impromptu meeting then. I was just trying to avoid making him wait another 2 weeks.
[08:04] <persia> That said, if we want to declare that reapplications only require declaration of intent and plans, and we just do it, I'm good with that, but let it be a precedent.
[08:05] <soren> persia: Sounds reasonable.
[08:05] <nixternal> alrighty all, I am going to bed...I shall talk to you later on today :)
[08:05] <dholbach> night nixternal
[08:05] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:06] <dholbach> soren, geser, persia: so what's your favourite solution now?
[08:06]  * persia is unsure, but wants the chosen solution to not be "special".
[08:07] <soren> When Toadstool shows up next, we can see if we can make quorum for an inpromptu meeting.
[08:07] <dholbach> soren: +1
[08:07] <dholbach> As we've done that before, it wouldn't be a precedent. :-)
[08:07] <persia> I'm not opposed.  Will we extend that to any applicant, or just for reapplicants?
[08:08] <dholbach> persia: we did it for Laney (I think) because of scheduling / timing problems 4 weeks ago
[08:08] <dholbach> so it's more a "be flexible when necessary" instead of a new "special rule"
[08:08] <persia> We did.  Do we expect to keep doing that if there are issues with scheduling/timing?
[08:09] <soren> persia: I think that's a reasonable thing to offer to others.
[08:09] <soren> persia: We're all of course free to say that it's a bad time for us.
[08:09] <persia> OK.  That seems reasonable.
[08:09] <dholbach> OK. :)
[08:09] <dholbach> [TOPIC] AOB
[08:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[08:09] <dholbach> geser, soren, persia: anything from you?
[08:10] <persia> So, if someone can't make a scheduled meeting, we will consider them for a possible ad-hoc meeting between the scheduled meeting and the next scheduled meeting.
[08:10] <persia> And if any of us have dire concerns or strong praise, we'll annotate the applicant wiki page after the missed meeting.
[08:10] <persia> Does that sound complete?
[08:11] <soren> persia: Perfect.
[08:11] <dholbach> The cases up until now were obvious: timezone confusion and dropping off the internet.
[08:12] <dholbach> We didn't have the case yet where an applicant said "I flat out can't make any of those times".
[08:12] <persia> Right.  I'm essentially trying to establish a guideline that lets us reasonably say "yes" or "no" rather than "come to the next one".
[08:13] <dholbach> I'm happy with what you said above
[08:14] <persia> OK.  That's three of us, which unfortunately isn't quorum.  I'll bring it up at the next MC call, and if we have quorum, add it to the wiki page.
[08:14] <dholbach> ok great
[08:14] <dholbach> Is there any other business?
[08:15] <dholbach> I guess not.
[08:15] <dholbach> I'm happy to do the honours and update the agenda for next time.
[08:15] <dholbach> See you in two weeks! :)
[08:15] <dholbach> Thanks everybody
[08:15] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[08:15] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 03:15.
[08:16] <geser> I'm happy with the proposed solution (ad-hoc meetings)
[08:19] <persia> geser, Excellent.  You save me having to remember the details :)  I'll update the wiki page in a few hours.
[08:19] <dholbach> thanks persia
[08:22] <Toadstool> guys I'm really really sorry, stuck in traffic for 2 hours :(
[08:23] <dholbach> persia, soren, geser: still there? :)
[08:23]  * persia is still here
[08:23]  * geser has to leave now, will be back in around 3 hours if necessary
[08:24] <persia> That means no quorum for at least three hours, unless someone else appears.
[08:24] <Toadstool> I'll show up next meeting then, no worries :)
[08:24] <Toadstool> my fault anyways, I should have left home earlier
[08:24] <Toadstool> sorry about the inconvenience
[08:25] <dholbach> Toadstool: no worries - I'd be happy to make it an impromptu meeting later today if we can get quorum
[08:26] <Toadstool> dholbach: fine with me, just ping me if you do, thank you for the effort
[08:26]  * dholbach hugs Toadstool
[08:26]  * Toadstool hugs dholbach back
[09:52] <dholbach> jpds, geser, persia, Toadstool: around? :)
[09:52] <geser> yes :)
[09:52] <Toadstool> yep
[09:52] <persia> present
[09:53]  * jpds waves.
[09:53] <dholbach> super
[09:53] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[09:53] <MootBot> Meeting started at 04:53. The chair is dholbach.
[09:53] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[09:53] <persia> Did we lose soren in the interim?
[09:53] <dholbach> This is an impromptu meeting to deal with the re-application of Toadstool aka Jérémie Corbier.
[09:53] <dholbach> persia: I pinged him
[09:53] <Toadstool> first, I'd like to apologize and thank you all for showing up now :)
[09:54] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Re-activation of Jérémie Corbier
[09:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Re-activation of Jérémie Corbier
[09:54] <dholbach> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-February/002030.html
[09:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-February/002030.html
[09:54] <persia> Toadstool, You mention that you've been following process change to some degree.  What changed most while you were away?
[09:55] <Toadstool> that's quite a lot of things to talk about but mainly SRUs and ways the different freezes are handled I guess
[09:56] <Toadstool> I don't know the exact changes to be honest, but I know things changed and I also know where to look at on the mailing lists and on the wiki
[09:56] <dholbach> Toadstool: is there anything that specifically interests you in the mobile world?
[09:58] <Toadstool> low level stuff, drivers, etc. but I have recently looked at how UIs are designed (Maemo, U Mobile, etc) and I think I am going to take a deeper look at that as well
[09:59] <dholbach> I'm sure the Ubuntu Mobile people will be pleased to get to know you
[09:59] <Toadstool> for what is worth, I am working as a linux embedded software engineer, so I have a good understanding of how things work on a mobile device ;)
[10:00] <dholbach> ah, I didn't know :)
[10:00] <dholbach> jpds, geser: do you have any questions?
[10:00] <persia> Toadstool, I'm also curious if you put anything in the sponsors queue while you were waiting to be MOTU again.
[10:01] <Toadstool> not yet, but I am currently working on putting the qc-usb driver into shape for Jaunty or Karmic
[10:02] <Toadstool> the package is ready, I just need to test it a little more
[10:02] <persia> Oh, excellent!
[10:02]  * soren is around-ish
[10:03] <dholbach> soren: questions? :)
[10:03] <soren> None :)
[10:04] <jpds> None from me.
[10:05] <geser> no questions from me either
[10:05] <dholbach> persia: anything else from you?
[10:05] <persia> Nope.
[10:05] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Jérémie Corbier re-join the MOTU team?
[10:05] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Jérémie Corbier re-join the MOTU team?.
[10:05] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[10:05] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[10:05] <dholbach> +1
[10:05] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[10:05] <persia> +1
[10:05] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[10:05] <jpds> +1
[10:05] <MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[10:06] <geser> +1
[10:06] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[10:06] <dholbach> [endvote]
[10:06] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[10:06] <soren> +1
[10:06] <soren> aw..
[10:06] <dholbach> oops
[10:06] <dholbach> sorry soren :)
[10:06] <persia> That's +5!
[10:06] <dholbach> I thought we had all already
[10:06] <Toadstool> yay! \o/
[10:06] <dholbach> congratulations Toadstool!
[10:06] <dholbach> and welcome back!
[10:06] <Toadstool> thank you guys!
[10:06] <persia> Welcome back Toadstool
[10:07] <geser> soren: two seconds to slow or dholbach two seconds too fast
[10:07] <Toadstool> and thanks for your time, greatly appreciated
[10:07] <dholbach> somebody wants to do the honours?
[10:07] <Toadstool> it's good to be back :)
[10:07]  * persia will do them if nobody else steps up, as dholbach already did several today
[10:08]  * persia looks for someone else
[10:08] <jpds> I can do it.
[10:08] <persia> Excellent.
[10:08] <dholbach> thanks a lot jpds
[10:08] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[10:08] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:08.
[10:08] <dholbach> Thanks a lot everybody!
[10:09] <Toadstool> thanks again
[14:00] <pitti> hello
[14:00]  * lool waves
[14:01] <fader> Howdy
[14:01] <cjwatson> afternoon
[14:01] <slangasek> morning
[14:02]  * pgraner waves
[14:04] <slangasek> mdz, lool, Riddell, sbeattie, Hobbsee: ping
[14:04] <mdz> slangasek: emailed you earlier
[14:04] <lool> slangasek: 15:00  * lool waves
[14:04] <Riddell> hi
[14:04] <slangasek> mdz: ah, ok
[14:06] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[14:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:06. The chair is slangasek.
[14:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:06]  * slangasek waves back to lool, right :)
[14:06] <slangasek> [TOPIC] outstanding actions
[14:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  outstanding actions
[14:07] <slangasek> actually only two of these carried over
[14:08] <slangasek> cjwatson: have you had a chance to prod anyone about helping with the Qt powerpc ICE?
[14:09] <cjwatson> unfortunately not, but I did (just today) ask IS to set up a jaunty chroot on davis, and with the aid of that I've reproduced the ICE just a few moments ago
[14:09] <cjwatson> so I'll put together the usual preprocessed source, with a minimal case if I can
[14:09] <slangasek> ok
[14:10] <cjwatson> sorry I'm a bit late on that
[14:10] <slangasek> it happens... :)
[14:11] <slangasek> the other carry-over was bug #88746, on my list.  Still haven't had the block of time to dig through that bug and turn it into something sensible
[14:12] <slangasek> since I haven't found the time for that, I'll happily give that over if someone else wants to volunteer to take it
[14:12] <slangasek> otherwise I'll keep it on my list
[14:12] <cjwatson> kernel perhaps?
[14:12]  * rtg ducks
[14:12] <cjwatson> or did they explicitly ask for others to look at it?
[14:13] <slangasek> they explicitly disclaimed responsibility for that morass of a bug report :)
[14:13] <rtg> cjwatson: its one of those enormous dogpile bugs.
[14:13] <cjwatson> rtg: oh, I know the feeling, believe me ...
[14:14] <slangasek> well, nobody jumping up and down to take it, I'll keep it in my pile
[14:15] <slangasek> btw, mdz sent me a couple of other items for the agenda which I'll insert at the end
[14:15] <lool> The "surprize" items
[14:15] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Future issues expected to impact the release
[14:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Future issues expected to impact the release
[14:15] <lool> Is that free floor?
[14:16] <slangasek> i.e., anything in the pipeline from anyone's team that we need to be aware of?
[14:16] <pitti> desktop team still has 4, I'm afraid
[14:16] <slangasek> pitti: go ahead
[14:16] <pitti> they are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus, but the most important one is the potential update of -intel
[14:16] <pitti> currently we are leaning much towards "no"
[14:17] <pitti> but if testing shows that it works much better than the current one, without much regressions, we might consider it
[14:17] <pitti> given intel's recent problems with it's QA, we are kind of sitting between a rock and a hard place here
[14:17] <cjwatson> my impression is that -intel has been flakier than desirable this cycle
[14:17] <pitti> cjwatson: very much so
[14:17] <lool> I'd like to mention that we're currently spending all our efforts getting imx51/babbage daily images in place; this is unfortunately bound to some problems: building RedBoot requires a cross toolchain, we'd like to avoid that in main but we need a redboot binary for the images; I'm still not done with the tool to generate RedBoot binary config partitions from scratch; VFP is blocked on having a new kernel on the buildds and porter box, but ...
[14:18] <pitti> it's so ironic that ATI cards which everyone hated a year or two ago are now almost working better than intel ones :/
[14:18] <lool> ... that's getting close
[14:18]  * slangasek nods to pitti.
[14:18] <rtg> pitti: ATI support for several Radeon controllers is still forthcoming. I'll get them done in time for Beta.
[14:18] <pitti> slangasek: so, I'm very conservative about this, but we should at least keep the option on the table
[14:18] <slangasek> lool: why does it require a cross-toolchain?
[14:18] <slangasek> pitti: right, understood
[14:18] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-03-13
[14:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-03-13
[14:19] <pitti> rtg: right, is that update (DRI for r6xx/r7xx) already committed, or are there problems with it?
[14:19] <lool> slangasek: I don't have the specifics, NCommander has and I've asked him to write them down and we might get help from ARM folks who know RedBoot well to debug
[14:19]  * slangasek gets the agenda up, so the topics are less of a surprise :)
[14:19] <rtg> pitti: no, just couldn't get it done in time for A6.
[14:19] <lool> slangasek: I wish we'd build with a native toolchain, but ECos upstream (used in RedBoot) doesn't support native builds but only arm-unknown-eabi ones
[14:19] <slangasek> hrm, odd
[14:19] <lool> In the meantime, NCommander proceeds to packaging a cross toolchain
[14:19] <pitti> rtg: that's fine
[14:20] <lool> slangasek: I didn't work directly on this, but will hand you the details when I get them from NCommander
[14:20] <slangasek> lool: understood, thanks
[14:20] <rtg> lool: the kernel team wouldn't mind a cross tool chain for testing kernel builds
[14:20] <slangasek> rtg: it sounds like it's arm-cross-arm, not arm-cross-something-fast :)
[14:21] <lool> rtg: I was working on a convenience one for this reason, but having one in main doesn't sound like a good idea
[14:21] <rtg> lool: something that worked on Jaunty would be fine with me
[14:21] <lool> slangasek: We can discuss this particular topic into details if you like, but NCommander proposed an i386->arm toolchain to build an arch: all binary with the redboot as "data" in it; I'm not too hot though
[14:22] <slangasek> lool: ah, ok
[14:22] <lool> I think we don't need to cover the details here though, and that's currently the workaround solution, my personal preference is for a native build
[14:22] <slangasek> that seems unnecessary to me; but we can talk about it after the meeting
[14:22] <slangasek> [TOPIC] general feature update
[14:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  general feature update
[14:22] <lool> It might be only needed in jaunty where we release these particular SD image with RedBoot, hopefully we wont need to include it in future images
[14:23] <pitti> desktop features> all specs done \o/
[14:23] <slangasek> I'm hoping there's nothing to discuss for this topic, but just in case :)  anyone have features still coming in that we need to know about?
[14:23] <pitti> slangasek: Mark wants plymouth in jaunty
[14:23] <lool> VFP patches
[14:23] <pitti> (just kidding)
[14:23] <lool> pitti: :-)
[14:23] <slangasek> heh :)
[14:24] <rtg> pitti: you had me going for a second
[14:24] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Spot check on the status of ATI DRI patches
[14:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Spot check on the status of ATI DRI patches
[14:24] <cjwatson> foundations is mostly ok, but we still have a few that need polishing
[14:24] <pitti> bah, it's just not the same on IRC, without seeing slangasek's boggled face IRL
[14:24] <lool> slangasek: We expect to work until the last minute on imx51/babbage bug fixes, the kernel is quite rough and we're seeing some userspace issues
[14:24] <cjwatson> and there are a few extra-FF ones, like James' daily builds / dist. dev. work
[14:24] <cjwatson> slangasek: I'm curious about grub2 ...
[14:24] <slangasek> oh, oops, one minute is too small a window - I thought jokes meant we were done ;)
[14:24] <pitti> new ATI xorg driver is in jaunty now
[14:25] <rtg> slangasek: I'll get ATI kernel patches in the next upload
[14:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: I have email from evand saying that grub2 is only available for preseeding; is that how we want to ship it?
[14:26] <slangasek> rtg: excellent, thanks :)
[14:26] <lool> Oh and I'm happy to report UNR is in a good shape
[14:27] <cjwatson> slangasek: perhaps we should promote it to something you can select in expert mode
[14:27] <slangasek> right, that sounds good to me
[14:27] <cjwatson> slangasek: which is how it is in Debian anyway
[14:27] <cjwatson> so that's just reverting a patch
[14:28] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to make grub2 available in installer expert mode
[14:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  slangasek to make grub2 available in installer expert mode
[14:28] <slangasek> cjwatson: besides that, I think we're already there code-wise
[14:29] <cjwatson> slangasek: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/grub-installer/ubuntu r714 FWIW
[14:29] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Hardware testing
[14:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware testing
[14:29] <slangasek> cjwatson: ack, thanks
[14:29] <cjwatson> grub-pc will have to go in main for it to work
[14:29] <slangasek> ah
[14:29] <cjwatson> err ... maybe
[14:29] <cjwatson> try it :)
[14:29] <slangasek> will do. :)
[14:30] <cjwatson> hardware testing fell victim to the udev/partitioner races, I know
[14:30] <cjwatson> fader: have you had a chance to retry with server CD 20090311.1 yet?
[14:31] <slangasek> fader: mdz also writes that he's expecting some reporting today; is that done / linked from somewhere?
[14:31] <fader> cjwatson: It was supposed to happen overnight but there was a checkbox issue that prevented it.  He's working on it now, so we should have a retest later today sometime.
[14:31] <mdz> fader: expecting an up-to-date test report for all operational hardware
[14:31] <cjwatson> fader: right, ok
[14:31] <fader> Reporting is coming up now... schwuk was working on the report.  It should be available in ~5 minutes.
[14:32] <cjwatson> fader: I started a bit late due to a doctor's appointment, so will be around a little more into the evening
[14:32] <cjwatson> in case that's useful
[14:32] <fader> cjwatson: Great.  I am in Montreal now and will be flying back to the US this evening but I think that's fairly late into your night anyway
[14:32] <cjwatson> definitely
[14:32] <fader> So I will bug you if and when I can reproduce that issue.
[14:33] <slangasek> ~5min - let's move on and fader can catch us up with the report when it's available
[14:33] <cjwatson> it's useful to know that you have a 50-75% reproduction rate, though; that will really speed things up
[14:34] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Regressions
[14:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Regressions
[14:34] <slangasek> mdz asks if we know whether the regressions list is getting shorter or longer over time
[14:34] <slangasek> robbiew: ISTR you had some conversations with QA about this?
[14:35] <robbiew> hmmm
[14:35] <cjwatson> I don't have hard numbers, but the regressions-potential list looks about the same as the last time I looked at it
[14:35] <cjwatson> still only two bugs there that are obviously foundations (one of those unreproducible)
[14:35]  * robbiew recalls something...but pretty sure he didn't follow through :/
[14:35]  * robbiew will follow up
[14:35] <slangasek> yes, the count doesn't look much different to me
[14:36] <cjwatson> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/regression-potential/
[14:36] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/regression-potential/
[14:36] <robbiew> slangasek: I know mdz was interested in seeing new regressions for the week highlighted in this meeting
[14:36] <cjwatson> also other directories in there with obvious names
[14:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: oh hey, nice
[14:37] <robbiew> slangasek: as well as any that closed...basically tracking th incoming/closure rates
[14:37] <slangasek> robbiew: ah, yes - that means having state somewhere telling us when bugs are marked as regressions
[14:37] <cjwatson> it's a little hard to follow the numbers there
[14:37] <slangasek> which LP itself doesn't appear to give us :/
[14:37] <cjwatson> since there's no "all open states" line
[14:37] <slangasek> right
[14:37] <cjwatson> bdmurray: ^- would be useful
[14:39] <cjwatson> gut feel looks like up somewhat over the last month or two, but down from levels at the same point last release
[14:39] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Beta testing
[14:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Beta testing
[14:40] <slangasek> mdz mentions that, as we've made some infrastructural changes this cycle, it would be useful to include a call for testing with pointers to test plans as part of the beta announcement
[14:40] <slangasek> he gives hotkeys as an example
[14:41] <robbiew> heh
[14:41] <cjwatson> based on the technical overview, presumably
[14:41] <slangasek> are there others calls for testing we want to include in the beta announcement?
[14:41] <cjwatson> ext4 perhaps?
[14:41] <cjwatson> most of the new features we've implemented are probably candidates
[14:41] <slangasek> I would tend to shy away from that one because we already know what the biggest ext4 issue is
[14:42] <slangasek> and having broad testing is probably not going to get us actionable feedback?
[14:42] <slangasek> (just "ext4 ate my files!")
[14:42] <robbiew> boot speed? :P
[14:42] <mdz> "make sure your system still boots"
[14:42] <mdz> suspend/resume is another
[14:43] <pitti> upgrades on ATI hardware
[14:43] <pitti> (for the fglrx -> ati transitioning)
[14:43] <pgraner> mdz: ack we are doing a CFT for beata on suspend resume
[14:43] <lool> Frequency scaling?
[14:43] <pitti> lool: how is that new?
[14:43] <mdz> notifications
[14:43] <lool> pitti: It's in kernel and relies on particular ordering of driver init
[14:43] <cjwatson> Kickstart LVM support
[14:43] <pitti> lool: oh, you mean test that it still works properly?
[14:43] <lool> pitti: yes
[14:43] <mdz> update management
[14:44] <slangasek> pgraner: is there a test plan written up in the wiki currently?  Then I can link to it in the beta announcement, in addition to any CFT you guys do
[14:44] <mdz> pulse audio?
[14:44] <lool> slangasek: Hey why don't you go over jaunty-changes for the last 6 months?
[14:44] <cjwatson> computer-janitor
[14:44] <pgraner> slangasek: yes ogasawara can work with you on that
[14:44] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to get suspend/resume test plan from ogra
[14:44] <slangasek> er
[14:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  slangasek to get suspend/resume test plan from ogra
[14:44] <cjwatson> accessibility in installer / live CD (was busted, has been fixed)
[14:44] <slangasek> will fix the action in post-production :-P
[14:44] <cjwatson> LVM by default on the server
[14:45] <slangasek> lool: that sounds... inefficient
[14:45] <pgraner> slangasek: that should be ogasawara
[14:45] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to get suspend/resume test plan from ogasawara, who is not interchangeable with ogra
[14:45] <MootBot> ACTION received:  slangasek to get suspend/resume test plan from ogasawara, who is not interchangeable with ogra
[14:46] <pgraner> slangasek: :-)
[14:46] <ogra> well, if she takes over ARM enablement, i'm happy to write nifty plans :)
[14:46] <slangasek> heh
[14:46] <lool> slangasek: I was just kidding :)
[14:46]  * lool should include a :-P next time
[14:46] <slangasek> ok, I think that gives me a good list to work with, thanks; I'll collate those suggestions and follow up with people individually for details as necessary
[14:48] <slangasek> fader: does schwuk happen to have that report ready?
[14:48] <fader> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[14:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[14:48] <fader> He's adding in the notes about machines that are untested (i.e. RT tickets, status of hardware with issues)
[14:49] <fader> I will update the report once that data is available
[14:49] <pitti> hm, details link is again needing login
[14:49] <slangasek> ah, anticipating my question :)
[14:49] <fader> slangasek: waiting for the right time :)
[14:49] <robbiew> mine too
[14:49] <fader> Details leads to the certification website; if you need a login please email me
[14:49] <cjwatson> three failures, all Kubuntu; is that a specific issue with Kubuntu or coincidence?
[14:50] <fader> cjwatson: It's a coincidence... the report right now is showing only the most recently tested image.  We're actually testing a *lot* more than you see here.  My plan for the next iteration of this is to show all the various images as well
[14:51] <fader> It just hasn't made it in yet as I've been struggling to make sure things get tested... now that that is slowly falling into place I can focus more on improving the data that we're sharing
[14:51] <fader> (Or will be able to once the obvious laptop testing break is fixed, but cr3 is working on that)
[14:52] <slangasek> that's it from me - anything else before we adjourn?
[14:53] <cjwatson> should a summary of the cert testing be rolled into http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/weatherreport.html now that it's more useful?
[14:53] <slangasek> good idea
[14:53] <fader> cjwatson: I'd be happy to work with ogasawara to get that in if you can tell me what would be useful to see there
[14:54] <slangasek> fader: a pass/fail/untested count, plus a link to the full report
[14:54] <fader> Are you looking for a full report on all hardware or just a simple status like pass/fail count?
[14:54] <fader> slangasek: Great, I'll contact ogasawara about that and get that in there
[14:54] <cjwatson> I suspect a one-line summary kind of thing would fit better
[14:55] <slangasek> [ACTION] fader to follow up with ogasawara about linking the HW cert report from the weather report
[14:55] <MootBot> ACTION received:  fader to follow up with ogasawara about linking the HW cert report from the weather report
[14:55] <cjwatson> perhaps X failed out of Y tested
[14:55] <cjwatson> ... right, as slangasek said but I was too dopey to read
[14:55] <fader> Hehe
[14:56] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[14:56] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:56.
[14:56] <pitti> thanks everyone
[14:56] <slangasek> thanks, all. :)
[22:51] <MTecknology> eh... nvm
[22:52] <MTecknology> sorry, wrong chan