[00:23] <kindofabuzz> is apt all screwed up? i've tried to install 3 things now and all get errors
[00:31] <hvgotcodes> where would i find out if hibernate/suspend will work for my laptop with jaunty?
[01:17] <xtknight> i know this has probably been asked a lot, but am i the only one having issues with pulseaudio in this release?
[01:21] <dtchen> xtknight: no, you're not. what specifically?
[01:23] <xtknight> dtchen, random skipping in the first 5 secs of songs, gstreamer apps having no sound whatsoever, pulseaudio randomly segfaulting and crashing, mplayer not working
[01:23] <xtknight> primary sound card changing each time i reboot
[01:23] <xtknight> a few of the things i guess
[01:24] <xtknight> vlc not having a pulse plugin at all as well
[01:26] <dtchen> xtknight: the "first 5 seconds of songs" aberrations should be resolved on most chipsets as of ubuntu11
[01:26] <xtknight> tsched=0 previously fixed this, but now i have it in there and it is still happening
[01:26] <xtknight> and i cannot find where pulseaudio logs are anymore
[01:26] <xtknight> previously it was saying like...increasing time to 50 ms ,60 ms, 70 ms something like that
[01:26] <dtchen> pulseaudio continues to log to syslog, as it has done previously
[01:27] <xtknight> yeah that was no longer in my syslog.  and i thought that was the reason i was getting the skipping but i guess not
[01:27] <dtchen> yes, those are the watermarks being adjusted. they only appear if glitch-free is enabled. tsched=0 disables glitch-free.
[01:27] <xtknight> yup watermarks
[01:27] <dtchen> there are two issues at play here, really; you should read bug 330814 for both components
[01:27] <dtchen> (linux and pulseaudio)
[01:28] <xtknight> i don't know how or where i should direct my frustration, or whether i should put it somehow to use to try and fix the problems
[01:28] <dtchen> i've already pushed the pulseaudio fixes into jaunty, but we really need the linux ones applied, too
[01:28] <xtknight> there are some fixes that need to be debdiff'd ?
[01:29] <dtchen> there is one critical linux fix that is fairly invasive
[01:29] <dtchen> i'm testing that one locally
[01:29] <dtchen> i can only do so much with pa 0.9.14
[01:29] <xtknight> hmmm well how have things gotten worse since intrepid for pulseaudio?   or maybe that is only on my machine
[01:29] <xtknight> ya not blaming it on anyone really
[01:29] <dtchen> you really need pa 0.9.15 and the linux fix
[01:29] <xtknight> just something i've noticed
[01:30] <dtchen> intrepid never had glitch-free in its actual source code
[01:30] <xtknight> i dont have glitch free since i have tsched=0 in the pa file right
[01:30] <dtchen> if you have load-module module-hal-detect tsched=0, correct
[01:30] <xtknight> yeah
[01:31] <dtchen> be aware that there is no one setting that fixes the issue for all cards
[01:31] <xtknight> it's so weird because those messages corresponded with the skipping directly as i checked my syslog.  the watermark messages.  and previously tsched=0 fixed them.  and now it's not
[01:31] <xtknight> (this is after a reinstall of jaunty)
[01:31] <xtknight> or maybe some updates i guess i cant remember
[01:32] <dtchen> have you tried reenabling glitch-free?
[01:32] <xtknight> nope
[01:32] <dtchen> try it.
[01:32] <xtknight> ok brb
[01:32] <dtchen> we're having to work around broken hardware
[01:32] <xtknight> but intrepid pulseaudio did not have the problem for some reason
[01:33] <dtchen> xtknight: because intrepid's alsa was broken
[01:33] <xtknight> i do have a questoin... what is default.pa and system.pa?
[01:33] <xtknight> my default.pa has tsched=0, system.pa does not
[01:33] <dtchen> the newer the version of alsa, the more strict the fixes tend to be, and as a result, things that worked before because of an erroneous assumption now don't work
[01:34] <dtchen> system.pa is for the system-wide daemon
[01:34] <dtchen> we don't use system-wide daemon invocation by default; we use per-user session
[01:34] <xtknight> mine says per-user when i do /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart so i guess i should be paying attention to default.pa
[01:34] <xtknight> and pulseaudio is started under 'andy', my regular user
[01:35] <xtknight> tsched=1  ?
[01:35] <dtchen> that's correct. i had to make that change to the initscript because people keep assuming that the initscript is the way to invoke it. which is wrong.
[01:35] <dtchen> you can either use tsched=1, or you can remove tsched=0
[01:35] <xtknight> okay will do.  thx for the advice.  brb
[01:38] <xtknight> dtchen, the skipping persists, using the sound preferences Test button
[01:38] <xtknight> for the first 5-10 seconds
[01:39] <dtchen> ok, then you need to re-disable glitch-free
[01:39] <xtknight> and the pertinent log messages: http://pastebin.com/m528fbf88
[01:39] <xtknight> okay i will set tsched=0 and reboot
[01:39] <dtchen> you don't need to reboot or log out
[01:39] <dtchen> just make the conffile change and killall pulseaudio
[01:39] <dtchen> it will respawn
[01:40] <xtknight> okay
[01:40] <xtknight> i have killed it but i don't see it coming back
[01:40] <dtchen> play something
[01:40] <xtknight> k
[01:40] <xtknight> and now there is no problem
[01:41] <xtknight> not with the skipping
[01:41] <xtknight> however, totem and rhythmbox act like they're playing and no sound comes out
[01:42] <xtknight> vlc will play stuff under the alsa plugin
[01:43] <dtchen> xtknight: killall pulseaudio;pulseaudio -vvv
[01:43] <dtchen> tell me if anything red appears (critical errors)
[01:43] <xtknight> E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: Device or resource busy
[01:43] <xtknight> E: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_13f6_111_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 tsched=0"): initialization failed.
[01:43] <xtknight> maybe that's because vlc is open
[01:43] <dtchen> right, so you need to kill it
[01:44] <xtknight> ok
[01:44] <xtknight> so with vlc closed, no red errors
[01:44] <dtchen> right, and if you restart vlc after the daemon is running, what happens?
[01:45] <xtknight>  vlc works
[01:45] <xtknight> when i try to play stuff with totem i see this
[01:45] <xtknight> D: sink-input.c: Requesting rewind due to uncorking
[01:45] <xtknight> D: module-suspend-on-idle.c: Sink alsa_output.pci_8086_3a3e_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 becomes busy.
[01:45] <xtknight> D: protocol-native.c: Requesting rewind due to end of underrun.
[01:46] <xtknight> and umm somehow that looks like it's using my intel (vendor 8086) card, not my C-Media which is hw0
[01:47] <dtchen> that version of pa doesn't display ssid info
[01:47] <dtchen> 8086:3a3e should be the vendor and device info for your hw:0
[01:47] <xtknight> whoa holy crud
[01:47] <xtknight> E: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 13835058054975712196 bytes (418291779157 ms) Most likely this is a Linux bug. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[01:48] <xtknight> yeah a whole console full of these
[01:48] <dtchen> yes, that's the linux portion of the bug i mentioned previously
 8086:3a3e should be the vendor and device info for your hw:0
[01:48] <xtknight> this is not the case however
[01:48] <dtchen> what does `lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]' return?
[01:48] <xtknight> see here: http://pastebin.com/m5c52d380
[01:49] <xtknight> ok that output is here: http://pastebin.com/m13ef9883
[01:49] <dtchen> is the output actually going to the wrong sink?
[01:50] <dtchen> if so, migrate it to the intended one using pavucontrol
[01:50] <dtchen> (or pacmd, ...)
[01:50] <xtknight> let me find a bug i filed on the module loading order of alsa first
[01:50] <xtknight> maybe this has to do with it
[01:50] <xtknight> i manually set cmedia to load to 0 after i installed ubuntu because they kept changing
[01:50] <dtchen> right, that's a linux and hardware issue
[01:51] <dtchen> we can't fix that
[01:51] <dtchen> we can hack around it by using the slot= parameter for snd.ko, or we can forcibly reload modules in the desired order, but otherwise there's no good method
[01:51] <xtknight> maybe pulseaudio took the hw0 at one point, then i changed the hw0
[01:51] <xtknight> but i thought pulseaudio should just read what the hw0 is now
[01:52] <dtchen> pa uses whatever hal tells it
[01:52] <dtchen> if you change the device order, you need to hint hal
[01:53] <xtknight> ok here it was.  Bug 339599
[01:54] <xtknight> well anyways i will try the pavucontrol thing
[01:55] <xtknight> i move my playback stream to cmedia and it suddenly works
[01:56] <dtchen> your linux bug is a dupe
[01:56] <xtknight> unfortunately my hda-intel does not work and i need it for my surround sound as well so i need both working
[01:57] <dtchen> so use the slot parameter
[01:57] <dtchen> don't use index; it breaks under certain conditions
[01:58] <dtchen> cat /proc/asound/modules
[01:58] <dtchen> then order those specifically using /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[01:58] <xtknight> 0 snd_cmipci, 1 snd_hda_intel
[01:58] <dtchen> e.g.,
[01:59] <dtchen> echo options snd slots=snd-cmipci,snd-hda-intel | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[02:00] <dtchen> make sure you remove any hardcoded index=# lines you've added
[02:00] <xtknight> ok
[02:00] <xtknight> i see
[02:01] <xtknight> any way to get around this one without rebooting?
[02:01] <dtchen> sure, /sbin/alsa force-reload
[02:01] <unixdawg> anyone here get a bcm 4318 wifi to work
[02:01] <unixdawg> is there ahow to
[02:02] <xtknight> dtchen, yes sure enough totem works like it should now
[02:02] <unixdawg> it says it sees my card but its not scanning for ap's
[02:02] <xtknight> now it seems like the default install should be like this?? :(
[02:02] <dtchen> xtknight: should be like what?
[02:03] <xtknight> dtchen, ubuntu should place "options snd slots=" by default?
[02:03] <dtchen> xtknight: how?
[02:03] <xtknight> dedicated cards first, onboard ones last
[02:03] <xtknight> or however alsa chooses hw0,hw1, and so on
[02:03] <dtchen> alsa doesn't choose those
[02:04] <dtchen> bios does.
[02:04] <dtchen> all the slots= parameter does is _prevent_ drivers from taking a certain slot
[02:05] <xtknight> so we're basically saying anyone with two audio cards is going to have this experience and there's not much we can do about it
[02:05] <dtchen> right
[02:05] <dtchen> that's part of why PA is useful
[02:05] <xtknight> but i just fixed mine somehow
[02:05] <xtknight> (well, you did)
[02:05] <dtchen> PA uses whatever hal exposes, so you don't need to juggle indices
[02:06] <dtchen> i'll explain further why it's not possible to get right:
[02:06] <dtchen> User A wants her usb headset to always be the primary audio device
[02:06] <dtchen> User B wants his onboard Intel to always be the primary audio device
[02:06] <dtchen> User C wants his SB Live to take precedence over the onboard Intel
[02:07] <dtchen> there is no one mechanism that allows for all those
[02:07] <xtknight> a simple listbox wont do?
[02:07] <dtchen> listbox to set slots?
[02:07] <xtknight> like for instance, i set my audio device as this, and that's just how it is.  everything uses that device.  unless you manually specify another one
[02:07] <dtchen> why do that when PA already does that?
[02:08] <JanC> and User D wants onboard the default but his pro audio card for pro audio apps  ;)
[02:08] <xtknight> well i am confsued when neither sound card works
[02:08] <xtknight> i start up ubuntu, i start totem, i plug my headphones into the lineout of both, and i hear nothing.  and it acts like it's playing
[02:08] <xtknight> what gives...
[02:08] <maco> or they want ekiga to go through their headset but music to go through the onboard
[02:08] <dtchen> the problem is that some people want all audio routed through the usb headset; some other people never want audio routed through the usb headset unless they explicitly say so
[02:09] <dtchen> how would any automated mechanism know which to place first in options snd slots=foo,bar ?
[02:09] <xtknight> right now what happens is that the primary card changes on the reboot
[02:09] <dtchen> the primary card *can* change on boot
[02:09] <dtchen> again, that's a hardware issue
[02:10] <dtchen> we can only hack around it
[02:10] <maco> because device ordering isnt static
[02:10] <maco> ?
[02:10] <dtchen> pci devices are enumerated nondeterministically, correct
[02:10] <xtknight> why not use UUIDs like we do with hard disks
[02:11] <Amaranth> there is no unique id
[02:11] <dtchen> because you can't *assign* UUIDs to them
[02:11] <xtknight> how does windows work?
[02:11] <JanC> well, there are the PCI/USB IDs (which would work if you don't have 2 identical cards)
[02:11] <dtchen> also, imagine if you have a nice multicard setup with four of the same audio cards
[02:11] <xtknight> in windows i can choose a primary card and it is just fine
[02:12] <Amaranth> JanC: Those change based on position
[02:12] <dtchen> xtknight: because Windows offers yet another layer of abstraction
[02:12] <dtchen> xtknight: when you talk to the primary card, you talk to whatever is pointed to be the default, not an actual card position or index
[02:12] <xtknight> how is the default 'stored'
[02:13] <maco> dtchen: would that be roughly equivalent to how you can tell pulseaudio which card to use?
[02:13] <dtchen> it's stored in the registry and probed at windows startup
[02:13] <dtchen> maco: what?
[02:13] <xtknight> well in the absence of anything better, let's make the card detection consistent.  if two cards with the same pci id/ven id come up as hw0,hw1 sometimes then that's expectable.  but let's distinguish using pci id/ven id for different cards at least
[02:14] <xtknight> it's better than playing the lottery
[02:14] <dtchen> xtknight: the differentiation already exists. It's that there's no good way to enforce an initialisation ordering.
[02:14] <maco> dtchen: you said windows has another layer of abstraction that sets and figures out which is default. pulseaudio can do that, cant it?
[02:14] <dtchen> no
[02:14] <dtchen> on Windows, it looks like:
[02:15] <dtchen> app
[02:15] <dtchen> DX/kernel mixing
[02:15] <dtchen> virtual mixing
[02:15] <dtchen> hal
[02:15] <dtchen> hardware
[02:15] <dtchen> on Linux, it looks like
[02:15] <dtchen> app
[02:15] <dtchen> PA/alsa-lib mixing
[02:15] <dtchen> linux
[02:15] <dtchen> hardware
[02:15] <xtknight> isn't the slots hack enforcing initialization.  maybe the problem is, i don't know what the slots thing does...and i should read up on literature
[02:16] <dtchen> (i've elided HAL/devicekit into the PA layer)
[02:16] <dtchen> xtknight: it does not force initialisation order
[02:16] <dtchen> it says "don't assign anything not driven by this driver into this slot"
[02:16] <xtknight> hmm another thing, does it really matter what order the modules are loaded?  alsa itself can still say hw0 is the "lowest" pciid
[02:17] <dtchen> which means, if i have options snd slots=snd-emu10k1,snd-hda-intel
[02:17] <maco> what if you've got two cards that use the same driver? then slot wouldnt do anything
[02:17] <dtchen> if the snd-hda-intel acquires resources first, it is still initialised prior to snd-emu10k1
[02:17] <xtknight> right
[02:18] <dtchen> however, when the *mixer* is enumerated, emu10k1 is exposed as primary
[02:18] <xtknight> so what's the issue with that solution
[02:18] <dtchen> see the use cases i outlined above
[02:18] <xtknight> pulseaudio shouldnt care about the order of the modules i dont think alsa should either right
[02:18] <xtknight> and if the user doesnt like the default autoamted selection he should be able to change it
[02:19] <dtchen> there is no one way to enumerate slots= options that won't break *someone's* idea of how things should work
[02:19] <xtknight> for instance to say snd-hda-intel, snd-emu10k1
[02:19] <xtknight> instead of snd-emu10k1,snd-hda-intel
[02:19] <xtknight> the 2 choices
[02:19] <dtchen> but you *can't*
[02:19] <dtchen> to effect such a change, you have to unload the entire sound stack
[02:19] <xtknight> really?
[02:19] <dtchen> that's what /sbin/alsa force-reload did
[02:20] <xtknight> but who cares, it works now
[02:20] <xtknight> lol
[02:20] <dtchen> well sure, everyone loves to whine
[02:20] <dtchen> ;-)
[02:21] <xtknight> so if i make a program to put every permutation of "options snd slots=" in someone's modules file (like a "primary sound selection") are you going to go mental on me?  you better watch out, now i know how to fix it lol
[02:22] <dtchen> no, i wouldn't.
[02:22] <dtchen> i warn you that it can't possibly account for devices that haven't been inserted
[02:22] <xtknight> ahhhh
[02:22] <dtchen> which is precisely where contention lies
[02:22] <xtknight> well i see things in 2d.."this solution is overall better than the other one"
[02:22] <dtchen> besides, we tackled that at a slightly higher layer using asoundconf
[02:23] <dtchen> and asoundconf-gtk
[02:23] <dtchen> however, asoundconf* is deprecated now thanks to PulseAudio :-)
[02:24] <xtknight> well i agree with pavucontrol.  it's pretty cool.
[02:24] <JanC> I think ALSA shouldn't really care about a "default device", but PA should and IMHO can do that (provided there are not multiple same/similar cards)
[02:24] <xtknight> and i'm less against pulseaudio. well i am never against anything
[02:24] <dtchen> well, there must be a default somewhere in the stack
[02:24] <dtchen> there are pros and cons for each placement
[02:26] <JanC> PA shows me the device's human readable name, so it knows enough to differentiate between non-similar devices
[02:27] <JanC> (and I guess ALSA could do the same if it wanted to do?)
[02:27] <dtchen> yes, it does
[02:30] <JanC> it can't be much more difficult than telling Xorg which mouse & keyboard belong to which display in a multiseat system  ;)
[02:31] <xtknight> i just made my own audio spec.  so does anyone see a problem with what im proposing.  http://pastebin.com/m6e83053a
[02:32] <xtknight> as far as im concerned if we have two of the "same" cards.... either randomize them or find some other way to differentiate them.  i dont know enough about pci to know if they can be differentiated.  probably by slot number on mobo
[02:32] <dtchen> xtknight: yeah, sounds fine.
[02:32] <xtknight> and hw0 is default for pulse unless told otherwise
[02:32] <JanC> xtknight: what does "better" mean?
[02:32] <dtchen> xtknight: now think about oss compatibility. :-)
[02:32] <xtknight> dtchen, hehe
[02:33] <dtchen> remember, some programs will *only* talk to /dev/dsp
[02:33] <JanC> xtknight: what is the non-hda one only supports midi?  ツ
[02:33] <xtknight> well same thing right, /dev/dsp0,/dev/dsp1,/dev/dsp2 correspoding to hw0,hw1,hw2
[02:33] <JanC> what if*
[02:33] <xtknight> and make the default "/dev/dsp" whatever pulse's default is
[02:33] <xtknight> unify it.
[02:33] <dtchen> uh oh
[02:33] <dtchen> so you want to push pulse into the oss emulation layer?
[02:33] <xtknight> yeah im like obama i want change
[02:33] <dtchen> i hear hannu weeping already!
[02:34] <dtchen> no, i would say that's not really how you would want to pursue it
[02:34] <xtknight> JanC, "better" is the card that probably has the better DAC... we already have stuff in alsa-base saying "index=-2" , etc.... to push certain cards behind cuz they are inferior
[02:34] <xtknight> and dedicated sound cards usually have better DACs than onboards... but that's being picky anyways.  at LEAST make the hw0,hw1 consistent
[02:34] <dtchen> xtknight: no, not because they're inferior but because they're problematic at boot.
[02:35] <dtchen> i enumerated most of that index=-2 list
[02:35] <JanC> xtknight: so usb headsets would be considered better than HDA ?
[02:35] <xtknight> JanC, ya
[02:35] <xtknight> well usb sound cards
[02:35] <JanC> (ther DACs generally aren't better)
[02:35] <xtknight> headsets are output devices
[02:35] <dtchen> usb sound cards are hardly better on the whole
[02:35] <xtknight> but like i say, this doesn't matter
[02:36] <xtknight> we need consistency
[02:36] <JanC> most USB headsets have an integrated soundcard AFAIK
[02:36] <dtchen> xtknight: your consistency occurs in PA
[02:36] <dtchen> things that don't play nicely with PA need to be punched in the gut and taught to play with PA
[02:37] <JanC> "things" should be thaught to provide enough info for PA
[02:37] <xtknight> PA seems pretty good right now
[02:37] <xtknight> but everything under it is shaky
[02:38] <dtchen> yeah, well, it certainly could be easier
[02:38] <dtchen> then again, i have to account for Ubuntu derivatives that don't use PA
[02:38] <dtchen> (Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu Studio)
[02:38] <xtknight> i can't even begin to describe how much of the sound stuff i don't agree with (like primary mixer track (keyboard controls) not always being the primary sound device) but i should probably just hold the thoughts
[02:39] <xtknight> it's not making anyone's life easier and they're probably working on fixing it
[02:39] <dtchen> well, now that PA and JACK have a spec for handing off control via dbus, things will be much better
[02:40] <JanC> dtchen: ah, that sounds useful
[02:40] <JanC> dtchen: sort of automatic switching between pro-audio & desktop multimedia ?
[02:41] <dtchen> yes
[02:41] <xtknight> until then i can listen to my glitch-free (well.....) audio and relax :)
[02:41] <dtchen> i only wish we could have had that for dmix:/dsnoop:/asym: and hw:
[02:43] <xtknight> shouldnt we make gnome-volume-control only manage pulseaudio devices.  not getting duplicates of OSS,ALSA too
[02:44] <dtchen> that's what originally happened
[02:44] <dtchen> there was an uproar from people who don't/refuse to use PA
[02:44] <xtknight> they probably refuse to because they had problems
[02:44] <xtknight> but when we fix those problems....voila
[02:46] <xtknight> oss/alsa/pulseaudio can coexist peacefully, but pulseaudio will be at the surface of everything
[02:46] <xtknight> if they want to manage alsa why dont they install gnome-alsamixer
[02:47] <xtknight> i think there's so few ppl who will dislike pulseaudio one we get everything to work with it
[02:54] <Cycom> dtchen: any updates?
[02:55] <dtchen> Cycom: there will be tonight
[02:55] <Cycom> dtchen: tonight? are you on EST?
[02:55] <dtchen> i need to finish packaging the new GNOME Do for those folks, and then it's back to <groan> stuff
[02:55] <dtchen> EDT currently
[02:56] <Cycom> dtchen: I didn't relize the difference till now.  I'm in CT.
[02:57] <xtknight> 10:56pm east
[02:57] <Cycom> xtknight: yeah.
[02:57] <Cycom> dtchen: you're really going to work on this stuff this late?
[02:58] <dtchen> Cycom: i'm normally working on something related to FOSS.
[02:59] <xtknight> during the day is for taking walks, going to work/uni, and eating with people.... at night it's linux time :)
[02:59] <Cycom> heh. I guess so.
[03:00] <Cycom> dtchen: well, hopefully I'll be around when you finish for some testing.  Any idea when it'll be, or should I just wait till saturday evening/ sunday
[03:01] <dtchen> Cycom: tomorrow would be better
[03:02] <dtchen> err, tomorrow late afternoon/early evening
[03:02] <dtchen> since it'll be "tomorrow" very shortly
[03:02] <Cycom> okie dokie then! I look forward to it.  I'll probably be at the shooting range from 6ish till 8 or 9, but after that I'll be home.
[03:03] <Cycom> going with some friends for some plinking with .22s.  Would you prefer I do a fresh Jaunty install, or would my dist-upgrade from 8.10 be ok?
[03:03] <Cycom> not dist-upgrade. update-manager -d
[03:04] <Lounge> Cycom: i would do full upgrade & i say that with experience for sure
[03:05] <Cycom> Lounge: full upgrade?
[03:05] <Cycom> oh, I mean fresh jaunty install as in install jaunty from a CD/flash drive and run updates.
[03:05] <Lounge> clean, fresh, from scratch -- i didn't mean full upgrade
[03:06] <Lounge> i meant full clean installation
[03:06] <Cycom> 9.04 has worked fine so far from my upgrade, but I don't mind doing a scratch install.
[03:06] <Cycom> only takes about 30 minutes, and this is one of many machines.
[03:06] <Cycom> dtchen: what's the verdict? scratch install or upgrade from 8.10? which would you prefer I test on?
[03:10] <DanaG> oh yeah, the kernel and scheduling and such do need a big of tweaking.
[03:11] <DanaG> PA likes to abort, due to "ridiculously large pcm_avail return value", or such.
[03:11] <DanaG> dtchen: I DO use PulseAudio.... but the new volume control sucked at dealing with it.
[03:11] <DanaG> And failed at dealing with ALSA at all.
[03:12] <Lounge> DanaG: try "sudo alsa force-reload"
[03:12] <DanaG> I just end up having to restart PA, because the server will have aborted.
[03:13] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I happen to be using the PA 0.9.15 PPA.
[03:13] <DanaG> Only broken thing: it won't do network (tunnel) streaming, for some reason.
[03:16] <DanaG> PA really does rock, though.  When it's not aborting, that is.
[03:17] <tmeixner> can the grub bootloader in 8.10 read ext4 filesystems?
[03:18] <tmeixner> I installed 8.10 after 9.04 into a different partition and now I can't boot into 9.04 anymore
[03:19] <xtknight> tmeixner, no, it can't use an ext4 boot partition
[03:19] <xtknight> i dont know about 9.04 but i always made /boot ext2 anyway
[03:19] <xtknight> i thought only grub2 dealed with ext4 boot partitoins
[03:20] <bruce89> properly
[03:20] <tmeixner> I installed each version of ubuntu into one partition. 9.04 must have a different grub then because back then there was no problem.
[03:20] <xtknight> then just boot 9.04 and reinstall the 9.04 grub
[03:20] <xtknight> using livecd
[03:20] <xtknight> sudo grub-install so on
[03:20] <Hobbsee> does anyone have hibernate working with ext4?
[03:21] <tmeixner> so install the 9.04 grub into the MBR.
[03:21] <xtknight> tmeixner, yup
[03:21] <tmeixner> ok, i'll boot into live cd now. Thanks for the tip.
[03:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Hobbsee: Yes
[03:24] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: hrm, ok.  /home on ext4 too?
[03:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes. In fact, I think there are 11 ext4s, and 3 ext3s
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hrm. so it should work, then.
[03:27] <IntuitiveNipple> "in theory" :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:27] <Hobbsee> it was working on my machine.
[03:27]  * Hobbsee has gone back thru the old kernels, and none of them work
[03:27] <Hobbsee> it's either another package that's broken it, or it's the ext4
[03:29] <darthanubis> no sound
[03:30] <Hobbsee> delete .pulse*?
[03:30] <darthanubis> huh?
[03:30] <darthanubis> delete what file?
[03:31] <Cycom> darthanubis: what sound card do you have?
[03:31] <darthanubis> there was a sound when gdm started, but thats all
[03:31] <darthanubis> it is interal
[03:31] <darthanubis> os[Linux 2.6.28-9-generic x86_64] distro[Ubuntu "jaunty" 9.04] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6600  @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.60GHz] mem[Physical: 7.7GB, 81.0% free] disk[Total: 846.6GB, 36.5% free] video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia]
[03:31] <xtknight> darthanubis, you only have one sound card, right?
[03:31] <darthanubis> yes
[03:31] <xtknight> yeah i think hda-intel is being hosed by an alsa bug now not sure tho.  couldnt get mine working either
[03:32] <darthanubis> :((
[03:32] <Cycom> there's a problem with jack-sensing as well. there's a fix in the works.
[03:33]  * Hobbsee has working sound after deleting the pulse cookie, and it regenerating, on hda-intel.  go figure.
[03:33] <darthanubis> pulse is running but no sound
[03:33] <DanaG> try muting and unmuting the card in pavucontrol.
[03:33] <darthanubis> Hobbsee, where is the pulse cookie ~/?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ~, yes
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ~/.pulse-cookie
[03:35] <DanaG> grr, I hate how people post threads like this:
[03:35] <DanaG> "look how awesome Catalyst 9.4 is!  But oh! You can't have it!   Neener, neener, neener!"
[03:35] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15855
[03:35] <DanaG> The person posting that... seriously deserves a punch in the face.
[03:36] <darthanubis> Hobbsee, youi haave to re-login after the delete of that file?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> darthanubis: yes
[03:37] <darthanubis> thx brb
[03:37] <Hobbsee> darthanubis: i think i did it from a vt, after i'd logged out, actually
[03:48] <darthanubis> Hobbsee, it worked !
[03:48] <Hobbsee> darthanubis: \o/
[03:48] <darthanubis> sound and video does not match in flash it seems
[03:48] <Hobbsee> can't help you there, i've not tried flash.
[03:52] <darthanubis> nah, sound/video flash is fine
[03:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Grrrr. I'm having to write an ext4 undelete utility
[03:54] <Awsoonn_> I'm trying to get a bluetooth headset to work under jaunty and having zero luck. any sugestions?
[03:54] <Awsoonn_> I have paired the device but I get no sound, and the tutorials on the internet apear to be largely outdated
[03:57] <xtknight> IntuitiveNipple, that doesn't sound fun
[03:57] <xtknight> i just switched back to ext3 for my root.  no point.  ext4 kept giving me 'i have no free space' until i did fsck.... it seemed to not deal with crashes nearly as well as ext3
[03:57] <IntuitiveNipple> That's an understatement! one of the kernel scripts decided to "rm -rf" my mainline kernel git repository
[03:58] <mitesh> i have tried to upgrade from intrepid to jaunty alpha 6 but failed
[03:58] <mitesh> the problem i am facing is with dependencies python-fstab (>= 1.2)
[03:59] <IntuitiveNipple> it did a "rm -rf ../linux*" and in the common ancestor dir I have ./ubuntu-jaunty/ and ./linux-2.6 etc. The script ran from the ubuntu-jaunty repo
[03:59] <xtknight> someday they should link "rm -rf" to a secret screen where it scans your iris and you have to type in a 20 letter password.  then it will show you the files that will get deleted.  maybe that would prevent mistakes
[04:01] <mitesh> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `python-fstab' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. this is the error i get
[04:01] <xtknight> IntuitiveNipple, u deleted  a project u were working on?
[04:03] <IntuitiveNipple> I had a lot of work-in-progress committed but not pushed out to my public repo, so no back-up to recover from
[04:03] <xtknight> o
[04:03] <IntuitiveNipple> indeed :)
[04:03] <xtknight> maybe just 'strings' the block device
[04:03] <tweak66> hello. i'm having some display issues...
[04:03] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm figuring on extending ext3grep to become ext4grep :)
[04:03] <xtknight> strings /dev/sda1 |grep -i "some line from the c file u were working on"  might help u recover some stuff but i dunno
[04:04] <xtknight> grep -C300 maybe to get the 300 lines around it
[04:04] <xtknight> hehe
[04:04] <IntuitiveNipple> I wish it were that easy - there's tons of stuff some of which I can't remember.
[04:05] <tweak66> i urgraded from 8.04 to 9.11.. everything was fine.. then i got a bunch of lines through my text on the screen. so i went to look at the options.... i changed them, and then changed them back to what they were. now i only have 2/3 of a screen lol.. help?
[04:05] <IntuitiveNipple> The complete new PCI IOMEM allocation system is the major casualty.
[04:05] <tweak66> 9.04*
[04:06] <xtknight> are u sure ext3grep wont work on it already anyways
[04:06] <xtknight> i thought ext2,ext3,ext4 were 'kinda' backwards compatible
[04:07] <IntuitiveNipple> xtknight: Yes... ext4 is only backward compatible to pre-existing ext3. ext4 structures are different - e.g. inodes double the size
[04:07] <xtknight> why do i sound like i shouldn't be trying to give you advice ;P
[04:07] <IntuitiveNipple> This was a freshly created ext4 in LVM, with prior content copied in from another hard disk
[04:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I think moral support is more important right now ! :D
[04:08] <xtknight> exactly
[04:08] <xtknight> stop at nothing.  you'll get it.  give it a coupple..weeks
[04:08] <xtknight> fruition doesn't happen immediately
[04:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I purposefully avoided doing *anything* on Friday 13th, just-in-case, and this happened about 0:45 :s
[04:08] <tweak66> can anyone assist with display issues?
[04:09] <IntuitiveNipple> tweak66: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[04:09] <xtknight> tweak66, we have to help the guy who accidentally lost like half of the new ubuntu
[04:09] <xtknight> lol j/k
[04:09] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[04:09] <DanaG> got big hard drive: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2009/03/13/western-digital-2tb-green-wd20eads-review/1
[04:09] <tweak66> lol.. i'll try that command nipple
[04:10] <IntuitiveNipple> No, Ubuntu is safe... it's the *important* stuff that 'ubuntu' destroyed... must be getting jealous of mainline :0
[04:10] <IntuitiveNipple> You know, I'd feel far safer with a bunch of 500GB drives than one 2GB!
[04:10] <xtknight> start greppin
[04:10] <xtknight> hehe
[04:11] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault
[04:11] <DanaG> nice... only 32-bit debs.
[04:11] <IntuitiveNipple> The good thing is as soon as I realised I unmounted the file-system. There was very little done between when the script deleted and I realised something had gone missing.
[04:12] <DanaG> My external drive is a 640GB Samsung.
[04:13] <DanaG> It's damn big, damn fast, and damn quiet.
[04:13] <DanaG> I just need to figure out what sort of backup app to use.
[04:13] <DanaG> Nobody makes one that does both full-system backup-and-restore AND per-user hourly backups as Apple does.
[04:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Surely that's just a cron job?
[04:14] <rww> alias backup='rsync -vaL --delete /home/robert/ /media/Backup/robert/'
[04:14] <xtknight> i had this idea of a computer-wide undo..  where the computer would be able to cache and reverse everything you did in the last 20 seconds.  (except for stuff that u sent over the net...reversal for that comes in the next version)
[04:14] <rww> but I'm a simple man with simple needs.
[04:14] <IntuitiveNipple> xtknight: I am amazed that ext4 didn't have undelete designed in.
[04:15] <xtknight> it's on the specs list but of course someone hasnt implemented it..or something
[04:15]  * DanaG has journal commit time at 15 minutes.
[04:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah, 'someone' just might now :)
[04:15] <xtknight> i very, very nearly lost my whole /home dir to ext4
[04:15] <xtknight> if it makes you feel better
[04:15] <xtknight> including work stuff and a 40gb windows vm
[04:15] <IntuitiveNipple> lol not really; that just means two of us in the doo-doo
[04:15] <DanaG> So, if I delete something, I can un-delete it by magic-sysrq-B to hard-reboot.
[04:16] <xtknight> yeah...but then you get that "sync"ing feeling
[04:16] <rww> I don't get why people are using ext4 if it has all these problems :/
[04:16] <DanaG> The point is that I force it not to sync.  =þ
[04:16] <xtknight> then it turned out somehow my home dir was in my videos folder
[04:16] <xtknight> i was like SWEET
[04:16] <IntuitiveNipple> I run a whole bunch of LVs to segregate stuff logically - most get snapshots but this one I hadn't done in the last week.
[04:17] <IntuitiveNipple> ext4 hasn't got "all these problems" - I've found it so much faster than ext3 with no bad side-effects.
[04:17] <xtknight> it's us that have "all these problems".  ext4 just isn't alleviating "all our problems"
[04:18] <xtknight> so we're mad at it
[04:18] <DanaG> one cool thing would be zfs -- has copy-on-write, has backup-able snapshots where you can back up only the diff, and such.
[04:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Dealing with larger numbers of files - such as in the kernel trees - it feels about 5 times faster than ext3
[04:18] <rww> IntuitiveNipple: I hear more about ext4 deleting peoples' data and such than I do about any benefits it might have. Not just in here, in other places I read.
[04:18] <DanaG> The other day, I was building a kernel and somehow got memory corruption from radeon... so I got screwed-up files.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> rww: i've yet to see any data loss, fwiw.
[04:18] <DanaG> Referred to inodes in unused-inodes table.
[04:18] <DanaG> The really only really annoying thing:
[04:18] <xtknight> DanaG, u suggested magic sysrq b.  done that a lot with ext4 and this is how i almost lost everything hehe
[04:19] <DanaG> It........ it restarted............. it restarted from................. it restarted from the.............. it restarted from the beginning.... it restarted from the beginning of.... it restarted from the beginning of the ....
[04:19] <DanaG> it restarted from the beginning of the fsck every single damn time it fixed one frickin' SINGLE file!
[04:19] <DanaG> How about running ONE WHOLE ***** SWEEP, and fix EVERYTHING?
[04:19] <DanaG> And THEN re-scan!'
[04:20] <DanaG> Not scan... oops, fixed something, gotta restart... oops, fixed something, gotta restart... oops, fixed something, gotta restart... oops, fixed something, gotta restart... oops, fixed something, gotta restart... oops, fixed something, gotta restart... oops, fixed something, gotta restart... oops, fixed something, gotta restart...
[04:20] <mrooney> dreamnid: hey, I used to live in Rochester :)
[04:26] <mitesh> how to resolve unmet dependencies occurred during up gradation to Jaunty?
[04:28] <IntuitiveNipple> oh sweet! - found a backup I didn't realise I had of the branches that I can't regenerate from upstream repos :D
[05:23] <JanC> rww: it's simple really: if your system will never crash (= kernel + drivers are very stable) and will never lose power (= has an UPS), then ext4 is safe, otherwise don't use it
[05:24]  * DanaG doesn't have any of that... but does have backups.
[05:27] <mitesh> rww, so u here :)
[05:27] <sebsebseb> what's alpha6 like?
[05:27] <sebsebseb> I am planning on upgrading after  I slept
[05:27] <sebsebseb> sometime
[05:27] <rww> sebsebseb: works fine for me. The drivers for my wifi and video card are a heck of a lot better than intrepid.
[05:27] <rww> mitesh: yes
[05:28] <sebsebseb> alpha6 still uses Ibex's wallpaper by the way?
[05:28] <mitesh> rww, so how do i overcome this problem?
[05:28] <rww> sebsebseb: it did as of a few days ago. the art stuff doesn't usually happen until late in the release cycle.
[05:28] <rww> mitesh: what were the packages again?
[05:29] <mitesh> rww, computer-janitor, hwtest and ubuntu-desktop
[05:29] <g1lt> guys, when I try to install jaunty using update-manager -d I get an error about unsigned packages that prevents the upgrade from occurring
[05:29] <rww> mitesh: okay, and is this during the intrepid>jaunty upgrade, or are you just doing an update?
[05:29] <g1lt> is there a way to get past this error?
[05:29] <rww> g1lt: copy the error to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[05:29] <mitesh> rww, yes during upgrade
[05:31] <rww> mitesh: how are you doing the upgrade? "update-manager -d", "do-release-upgrade", or something else?
[05:31] <mitesh> rww, update-manager -d
[05:31] <rww> mitesh: okay, and it errors out and refuses to upgrade, right?
[05:33] <mitesh> rww, almost all the packages have been upgraded but the up gradation was not normal, upto installation it was fine but it didnot cleanup the system
[05:33] <mitesh> rww, there were bugs i have reported them
[05:33] <g1lt> rww:  http://pastebin.com/m68e9f780
[05:33] <g1lt> seems like all the packages
[05:33] <g1lt> refuse to authenticate
[05:35] <rww> g1lt: issue "sudo apt-get clean", change your mirror to the main server in Software Sources, and try again
[05:35] <rww> g1lt: you'll have to download the packages again, though :(
[05:36] <g1lt> ah well, hopefully worthwhile
[05:36] <rww> mitesh: can you link to your bug report, please?
[05:36] <mitesh> rww, sure 1 min
[05:38] <mitesh> rww, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/342646
[05:43] <mitesh> rww, ?
[05:43] <rww> mitesh: hwtest and computer-janitor failed to install because python-central did. ubuntu-desktop depends on them, so it failed too. If you look in /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt-term.log, there should be a python-central related error explaining why it failed to install.
[05:43]  * DanaG growls at ATI: give me a damned fglrx, or give the OSS developers what it takes to not take 35 watts on battery!
[05:43] <mitesh> rww, ok
[05:47] <mitesh> rww, Errors were encountered while processing: checkbox, checkbox-gtk, hwtest-gtk, hwtest, ubuntu-desktop, python-fstab, computer-janitor, computer-janitor-gtk, gnome-codec-install
[05:47] <mitesh> rww, this is what log says
[05:48] <mitesh> rww, so can i just have ubuntu-desktop removing all others?
[05:48] <rww> mitesh: Hrm. How about this: just upload the whole file as an attachment to that bug report you made.
[05:49] <mitesh> rww, you mean the apt-term.log file?
[05:49] <rww> mitesh: yes
[05:49] <rww> mitesh: apport usually does that on failed upgrades anyway. Dunno why it didn't this time.
[05:51] <DanaG> nice error from azureus:
[05:51] <DanaG> Disk read error; file is
[05:51] <mitesh> rww, i got a reply from apport but couldnt understand it :P
[05:51] <DanaG> .... yes, just "file is"
[05:52] <rww> mitesh: heh, I have an idea, actually. Run "sudo touch /var/lib/dpkg/info/checkbox.list", then try the upgrade again.
[05:52] <DanaG> argh, goddamn intel sata port just died.
[05:52] <rww> mitesh: the traceback says pycentral is complaining about that file not being there, and simply creating it might fix that.
[05:53] <mitesh> rww, :) shall i try and do i have to commence the up gradation all over again?
[05:54] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f6b73d83f
[05:54] <rww> mitesh: I think update-manager caches the packages you downloaded for the upgrade, so you shouldn't have to download them again
[05:55] <mitesh> rww, update-manager -d is sufficient?
[05:55] <rww> mitesh: yes
[05:57] <mitesh> rww, update manager asks me to install some of the packages
[05:57] <rww> mitesh: just follow update manager's instructions. if it works, great. if not, we'll go from there.
[05:57] <mitesh> rww, so i install updates/
[05:58] <mitesh> ?
[05:58] <rww> mitesh: yes..
[05:58] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217920
[05:58] <DanaG> goddamn intel sata.
[05:58] <mitesh> rww, You have 3 broken packages on your system!
[06:01] <rww> mitesh: did it actually start the upgrade procedure, or did it just ask you to install the packages as if they were normal updates?
[06:02] <mitesh> rww, it was a normal update
[06:02] <DanaG> great, now I have to reboot to get my damned sata port working again.
[06:02] <DanaG> Thanks, Intel!
[06:03] <rww> mitesh: okay. Close update-manager completely, then look in /etc/apt/sources.list and see if the repositories in there are jaunty or intrepid
[06:03] <mitesh> rww, its jaunty
[06:04] <rww> mitesh: do "sudo apt-get update", then "sudo apt-get upgrade". If you get errors, paste the *entire* output from "sudo apt-get upgrade" to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and link here.
[06:11] <mitesh> rww, these packages are having installation problem:checkbox, python-fstab
[06:18] <mitesh> rww, http://paste.ubuntu.com/130905/ here is the result of upgrade
[06:19] <rww> mitesh: run "sudo apt-get -f install" and post the output to pastebin.
[06:19] <mitesh> rww, ys doing that :)
[06:23] <mitesh> rww, http://paste.ubuntu.com/130907/ output of sudo apt-get -f install
[06:27] <rww> mitesh: do "sudo apt-get clean", then "sudo apt-get -f install" again and post the output of the -f install to paste.ubuntu.com
[06:29] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/268863
[06:30] <DanaG> http://fixunix.com/debian/532485-bug-498568-debian-cannot-installed-bootable-sd-cards.html
[06:32] <Starcraftmazter> Hello, I have a question about the repositories. I am wondering why Songbird is still not included? It has been out for a long time, and it is a very high quality media player
[06:32] <DanaG> hmm, is there an easy way to actually run an install from an existing system, to install onto a new volume?
[06:34] <DanaG> Argh, ubuntu doesn't include the sdhci_pci module or the ricoh_mmc module in initramfs.
[06:34] <rww> Starcraftmazter: It's being worked on. There are some blockers to us packaging it, though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/94494
[06:35] <rww> Starcraftmazter: there are some links to unofficial packages on that page too.
[06:35] <Starcraftmazter> ty rww
[06:38] <DanaG> Something about debootstrap, I'd imagine?
[06:40] <rww> DanaG: there are some methods for using an existing installation to install Ubuntu on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation . Not sure how well they'd translate to Jaunty, though.
[06:41] <DanaG> I'm trying to stick Jaunty on an SDHC card.
[06:46] <lucent> all the !@#$ stuff I have to download just to build an Ubuntu kernel, not in the mood for it tonight :(
[06:56] <mitesh> rww, http://paste.ubuntu.com/130926/
[06:56] <rww> mitesh: that's after you did apt-get clean?
[06:57] <mitesh> rww, yes after apt-get clean
[06:58] <rww> mitesh: does "sudo apt-get --reinstall install python-fstab" work, or does it just give you an error about broken packages?
[07:00] <mitesh> rww, apt asks me to run apt-get -f install to correct the unmet dependencies
[07:01] <mitesh> rww, http://paste.ubuntu.com/130931/ output of --reinstall install python-fstab
[07:04] <rww> mitesh: Can you paste.ubuntu.com the output of "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/checkbox*", please? I'm thinking your problems are probably caused by some more files missing from there.
[07:05] <mitesh> rww, there is only one file that too i made it as you have asked to checkbox.list
[07:07] <mitesh> rww, there is file /var/lib/dpkg/info/chkconfig.list
[07:08] <rww> mitesh: you only get one file output when you do "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/checkbox*'?
[07:08] <mitesh> rww, ys
[07:09] <rww> mitesh: which apt mirror are you using (in /etc/apt/sources.list)?
[07:10] <mitesh> rww, its a taiwan mirror deb http://debian.nctu.edu.tw/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted
[07:19] <rww> mitesh: Do "sudo apt-get purge checkbox checkbox-gtk python-fstab". Do you get a message about apt-get -f install again, or does it tell you it's going to remove ubuntu-desktop and ask if you want to continue?
[07:23] <mitesh> rww, the same message about apt-get -f install :(
[07:24]  * rww sighs
[07:25] <rww> mitesh: about all I can say is to open a bug about it and include the errors from http://paste.ubuntu.com/130926/ in the report. This is getting to be way over my head.
[07:25] <mitesh> rww, :)
[07:25] <crdlb> maybe there's something wrong with the mirror?
[07:26] <rww> crdlb: I downloaded the relevant package files from the mirror he was using, and they matched the working ones from the main mirror.
[07:27] <mitesh> rww, how about trying the main mirror ?
[07:27] <rww> mitesh: I guess that might help. It /shouldn't/, because the files on the main mirror are identical to those on your mirror, but it can't hurt to try.
[07:28] <mitesh> rww, do you have the link to main mirror?
[07:30] <rww> mitesh: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[07:38] <mitesh> rww, it says You have 3 broken packages on your system! :(
[07:38] <mitesh> rww, cant i remove these packages?
[07:39] <rww> mitesh: I don't have much experience with broken packages. The normal way to remove them is apt-get purge, and that didn't work...
[07:40] <mitesh> rww, if i anyhow remove these packages?
[07:40] <rww> mitesh: if you can figure out how to do it, then yes, that would help.
[07:40] <digger3> metacity and compiz don't start in my gnome session. I can start metacity manually and everything works fine, the system becomes extremely slow (entering a letter takes 3sec) when starting compiz, where should I look in order to resolve this?
[07:41] <mitesh> rww, removing them will cause any problem?
[07:41] <rww> mitesh: you might also have to remove ubuntu-desktop, but... well...
[07:41] <digger3> oh, and everything worked perfectly last week with jaunty, so this is a new issue
[07:41] <rww> !ubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <mitesh> rww, packages are : ubuntu-desktop, computer janitor, hwtest
[07:41] <crdlb> digger3: is the 'compiz' package installed?
[07:41] <rww> mitesh: that should be fine. just make sure to reinstall ubuntu-desktop once you get it figured out.
[07:42] <mitesh> rww, :) ok thanks
[07:44] <mitesh> rww, i think i have removed them there are no packages listed in broken filter
[07:44] <DanaG> hmm, what's the best fs to use for a root on an sdhc card?
[07:44] <DanaG> ext2, ext3, or ext4?
[07:45] <rww> mitesh: which command did you use to do it?
[07:45] <mitesh> rww, i did it using synaptic manager
[07:46] <digger3> crdlb: hmmm, it seems to have been removed during one of the updates. okay, now things run when logging in, but the system is practically unresponsive :(   (intel driver)
[07:46] <mitesh> rww, do i install ubuntu-desktop?
[07:46] <rww> DanaG: I think the consensus from other discussions was that ext2 with noatime or relatime is better, because it uses fewer writes.
[07:47] <rww> mitesh: yeah. That should hopefully install the formerly-broken packages properly.
[07:47] <DanaG> It'll be a spare, not a heavily-used system -- so I'll want to make sure it can boot always, but don't care to do much more.
[07:47] <DanaG> I already have a Jaunty primary; the SDHC jaunty is an experiment.  =þ
[07:48] <digger3> crdlb: uhm, I think I was wrong, metacity (or any other window manager) isn't running when logging in
[07:48] <rww> DanaG: If you're not going to be using it much, ext3 or ext4 should be fine too.
[07:48] <DanaG> ext4 for boot speed.. the sdhc reader is so slow that anything else will suck.  =þ
[07:48] <crdlb> digger3: anything happen if you go to sys>prefs>appearance>visual effects and change it there?
[07:50] <digger3> crdlb: nope, no effect
[07:51] <crdlb> digger3: how have you determined that no window manager is running?
[07:51] <crdlb> if you can change focus between two window managers, there is a WM
[07:51] <crdlb> err, between two windows*
[07:51] <digger3> crdlb: I have no titlebar, and new windows are placed in the upper left corner and I cannot change between windows
[07:51] <mitesh> rww, the crash report detected, i now have 2 broken packages :) : ubuntu-desktop and computer-janitor. i had given this command "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:52] <mitesh> rww, Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/checkbox_0.5_all.deb
[07:52] <DanaG> odd, I have a system here where xulrunner is stuck non-upgradeable.
[07:52] <DanaG> It segfaults.
[07:53] <crdlb> digger3: just to make sure, 'compiz-wrapper' is now installed?
[07:55] <digger3> crdlb: yes, when logging into the session it becomes very slow. I've now changed my appereance settings again, and now the titlebars _are_ showing (improvement), but it's still extremely slow (3 secs delay for virtually everything)
[07:55] <crdlb> hmm, I wonder what's wrong with your intel driver :/
[07:58] <digger3> crdlb: okay, I've changed my xorg.conf and commented the lines which force the use of UXA, and framebuffercompression. It seems to work fine now. It looks like I had to reinstall compiz, change my appereance settings twice to get everything in order again
[07:58] <digger3> crdlb: thanks
[07:58] <crdlb> hmm, isn't UXA default now?
[07:58] <digger3> crdlb: oh wait, now it becomes slow again while still speedy 10 seconds ago, strange
[07:59] <mitesh> volume control muted on its own how to re-enable it?
[07:59] <digger3> crdlb: not sure, it's not a vialable long term solution I guess
[07:59] <fargiolas> any known issue with nvidia-glx updates? it fails complaining that it wants to replace libGL.so with nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa but that it's not permitted
[07:59] <crdlb> you could try EXA, I guess
[08:03] <DanaG> wtf?
[08:03] <DanaG> "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext3 in IDE1 master,
[08:03] <DanaG> partition #1 (hda1) at / home failed."
[08:04] <DanaG> or rather, it was sda2, but same idea.
[08:05] <DanaG> grr.
[08:16] <DanaG> I got the thing to not fail this time...
[08:17] <DanaG> ... it DEMANDED that I create a swap partition... even though the VM has a gig of RAM.
[08:17] <eMaX> hi all
[08:17] <DanaG> ... and the swap I created was only like 128 megs.
[08:17] <DanaG> Stupid ubiquity.
[08:18] <eMaX> what may be woring if gdm fails to start? I see a switch to graphical mode (my NVIDIA log shows up), but then it falls back to text mode. when I then wait for a while, it comes up with failsafe. when switch to a text console and kill all "X" processes and stop gdm, I can then, as normal user, say "startx", and X runs.
[08:19] <rww> DanaG: huh, really? I swear I've installed intrepid without a swap partition...
[08:19] <DanaG> Didn't work for me under VirtualBox.
[08:19] <DanaG> That's the only thing I changed to fix the error on mounting.
[08:19] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I'm installing from a vm to a raw vmdk.
[08:20]  * DanaG goes off to bed now.
[08:23] <DanaG> oh, and sdhc reader also lacks DMA.  Thanks, Ricoh.
[08:26] <DanaG> grr, damned vbox is spewing error after error in the guest.
[08:37] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1083584&page=9
[08:37] <DanaG> heh, plymouth does nothing for me.  Nothing!
[08:37] <DanaG> as in... it just doesn't work.
[09:41] <eMaX> am I missing something or does kopete 0.7.0 no longer connect to msn?
[09:43] <eMaX> I mean, 0.70.0
[10:06] <BUGabundo> guud morning!
[10:06] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[10:06] <BUGabundo> hi akgraner. thanks for yesterday talk! it was revealing! more on that later
[10:07] <virtuelv> anyone involved with gvfs here?
[10:07] <virtuelv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/330383
[10:08] <virtuelv> that bug makes my audio devices completely useless
[11:11] <Beardbar> just installing jaunty, kubuntu-amd64-desktop, it runs the latest kde4.2.1 ya?
[11:11] <Beardbar> or will i need to upgrade?
[11:19] <BUGabundo> Beardbar: hi
[11:19] <BUGabundo> upgrade to what????
[11:24] <noren> hi there
[11:24] <noren> i just tried to install the alfa 6 version but i cant boot into from the grub
[11:24] <Beardbar> noren: are you getting I/0 errors?
[11:25] <noren> theres no option to boot into the system only the  memtest one only there
[11:25] <Beardbar> noren: strange
[11:26] <BUGabundo> really strange
[11:26] <BUGabundo> noren: did you test md5 of the iso?
[11:26] <noren> then i booted into 8.10 intrepid to find out the prob i see that theres no vmlinuz file in the /boot of
[11:26] <BUGabundo> btw Beardbar did you find the prob with your image yesterday?
[11:27] <Beardbar> BUGabundo: yep nothing wrong, I didnt read the fine print that says for amd64 users to run in noapci mode
[11:28] <Beardbar> BUGabundo: once I turned that on, everything installed fine for jaunty, which was about 45 minutes ago lol. i think that should be a bolded item on the alpha 6 page.
[11:28] <BUGabundo> I'm on 64 and haven't needed to run with noapci
[11:28] <rww> me either :/
[11:28] <BUGabundo> its your HW prob?
[11:29] <noren> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/131011/  << these are the only files i have there
[11:29] <Beardbar> HW?
[11:29] <noren> BUGabundo: can u please tell me the files that i m missing out there and how to get them
[11:30] <BUGabundo> noren: you seem to have it all
[11:30] <BUGabundo> please check md5 of the iso contents
[11:30] <BUGabundo> Beardbar: HardWare
[11:31] <BUGabundo> noren: if you have it mounted, just go the root of the mount point and run
[11:31] <noren> then there must be some prob with the grub menu list
[11:31] <BUGabundo> $ md5sum -c md5sum.txt .
[11:31] <noren> help me fix that then please
[11:31] <BUGabundo> hunders of users are using the alpha milestone
[11:32] <BUGabundo> you are the first I see reporting a prob
[11:32] <BUGabundo> its most probably on your side
[11:33] <noren> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/131015/ ,<< menu.lst
[11:33] <digger3> BUGabundo: that's true of course, else he wouldn't ask about his problem ;)
[11:33] <digger3> noren: please check the md5 hash of your iso with those provided
[11:34] <BUGabundo> Ubuntu 8.10
[11:34] <BUGabundo> that's ibex
[11:34] <BUGabundo> not jaunty
[11:34] <rww> BUGabundo: looks like he's dualbooting jaunty and intrepid.
[11:34] <BUGabundo> on the same partition?
[11:34] <BUGabundo> lol
[11:35] <BUGabundo> noren: how knowlage are you?
[11:35] <BUGabundo> so we know how to handle your requests
[11:35] <digger3> noren: on which partition(s) did you install 8.10 and on which 9.04?
[11:35] <rww> BUGabundo: no, not on the same partition. The UUIDs are different.
[11:35] <BUGabundo> and exaclty WHAT are you trying  to do?
[11:35] <BUGabundo> rww: I only see 8.10 stanzas
[11:36] <noren> digger3; BUGabundo: well i have 8.10 its i386  but i wanted to try jaunty with amd64
[11:36] <BUGabundo> noren: define try?
[11:36] <BUGabundo> livecd? dualboot? upgrade ?
[11:36] <digger3> noren: okay, but on what partitions did you install either version?
[11:36] <rww> BUGabundo: The Jaunty partition's UUID is 41882475-59f3-4ff6-8566-354e8efff6b6 according to kopt. The intrepid one is 2495b7a2-4f47-4658-bd6e-00916ba329f0. As you can see, Jaunty stanzas didn't get created.
[11:36] <Beardbar> lol
[11:37] <BUGabundo> rww: I must be blind! I only see one wind and several 8.10
[11:37] <noren> rww: that is what i am facing prob with
[11:37] <BUGabundo> Beardbar: what's up?
[11:37] <BUGabundo> noren: am I to assume that you created a new partition and installed jaunty there?
[11:38] <BUGabundo> did you choose the advance option during install to select the same grub?
[11:38] <BUGabundo> if you did install it on a new partition, maybe you just need a grub update
[11:38] <BUGabundo> $sudo update-grub
[11:38]  * rww seconds that
[11:39] <digger3> from the jaunty install, right?;)
[11:39] <Beardbar> BUGabundo: just amazed that after installing jaunty, popping in a xorg.conf I did on windows, and after chainging my monitor configurations on the card, then started kde and everything seems to work first time.
[11:39] <BUGabundo> but this is of course IF THIS is the case
[11:39] <BUGabundo> we lack information
[11:39] <noren> i have ubuntu 8.10 on /dev/sda5/ ,,,, and jaunty on /dev/sda8
[11:39] <noren> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/131016/ << here is my fdisk -l
[11:39] <BUGabundo> Beardbar: I know you have been out a long times. this is now Modern Times for X
[11:40] <BUGabundo> no need to mess xorg.conf! it should even be empty
[11:40] <BUGabundo> ok noren run grub update
[11:40] <BUGabundo> and pastebin it
[11:41] <Beardbar> BUGabundo: dont know about that, everytime I tried the nvidia settings configurator it would never work for more then one screen. course i didnt try it in jaunty
[11:41] <BUGabundo> for me it is working automagicly
[11:42] <BUGabundo> just a mouse click and I'm done!
[11:42] <BUGabundo> YAY
[11:42] <BUGabundo> noren: ping! how are you doing?
[11:43] <noren> well i did update grub,, but QUESTION: i am right now in 8.10 will that effect it at all
[11:44] <noren> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/131018/
[11:44] <BUGabundo> it should
[11:44] <BUGabundo> you only have ONE boot loader
[11:45] <BUGabundo> grub only found one boot!!!!!
[11:45] <Beardbar> BUGabundo: how do I drop to console now?
[11:45] <BUGabundo> I'm pretty sure I installed ANOTHER /boot on sda8
[11:45] <BUGabundo> Beardbar: KDE???
[11:45] <BUGabundo> terminal or TTY ?
[11:46] <noren> well
[11:46] <BUGabundo> noren: that means its installed on two palces!
[11:46] <BUGabundo> either *try* to copy from sda8 to sda5 and update grub again
[11:46] <BUGabundo> OR (better options) install jaunty again
[11:46] <BUGabundo> and when you reach the last step, choose advance and let it know about grub on sda5
[11:47] <noren> cant i manually edit my grub menu.lst
[11:48] <digger3> noren: you can, but you need to setup your system to allow for automatic future updates, now it will break every time
[11:49] <noren> if u can please show me your menu list i will modify it for my benefit
[11:49] <digger3> noren: I'd follow BUGabundo suggestion about reinstalling jaunty and letting it know about the /boot partition that you now have
[11:49] <BUGabundo> yeah
[11:49] <BUGabundo> Im pretty sure its what happened
[11:49] <Beardbar> ya kde4.2.1
[11:49] <BUGabundo> don't even know how you manage to boot into 8.10
[11:50] <BUGabundo> jaunty should have overwritten MBR
[11:50] <noren> BUGabundo: i think its because both are for different architecture x86 and amd64
[11:51] <digger3> noren: no, it should work just fine mixing kernels for different architectures in grub I think
[11:52] <BUGabundo> (shouldn't ) doesn't mather
[11:52] <noren> i would have edited my menue list but i could not find the files like vmlinuz in the appropriate location .
[11:52] <BUGabundo> you just got a new /boot on sda8
[11:52] <noren> thats y i thought i must be having some missing files
[11:53] <BUGabundo> yeah, its not mounted on grub yet
[11:53] <BUGabundo> I'm amazed you booted into 8.10
[12:09] <BonezAU> hi guys, been running jaunty since alpha 4... just did an apt-get upgrade today and after a reboot all of my gnome panels have gone... no applications menu, system menu etc. Is this a known bug?
[12:11] <BonezAU> i just did a killall gnome-panel and the panels have come back (top and bottom) but there are no menus or anything on them, just blank. anyone got a tip on how to reset them to default?
[12:23] <BUGabundo> cy guys!
[12:39] <emma> Hmm, any thoughts on installing Jaunty now?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> it can be a rough ride due to python
[12:43] <emma> Hobbsee: python isn't working correctly in it?
[12:43] <noren> hi there
[12:43] <Hobbsee> emma: not everything has been upgraded to accept python2.6
[12:43] <emma> ahh
[12:43] <Hobbsee> most of the important stuff has been, i think
[12:43] <noren> m back again with the same prob... just reinstalled but theres no entry inn the grb menu lis
[12:45] <noren> is anyone using amd64 arch here
[12:46] <noren> i needed some help with the menu list entry for the same
[12:47] <Hobbsee> noren: do you have linux-image-generic installed?
[12:47] <noren> Hobbsee: i did a fresh install !!
[12:48] <Hew> noren: Here is my menu.lst, if it helps http://paste.ubuntu.com/131041/
[12:48] <Hobbsee> noren: the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive...
[12:48] <noren> wait i will just paste my menu list and fstab
[12:49] <Hobbsee> your menu list was already above.
[12:49] <noren> Hobbsee: i m missing this file vmlinuz-2.6.28-9-generi
[12:49] <Hobbsee> noren: right.  And how about you answer my question?
[12:51] <noren> Hobbsee: which question
[12:51] <Hobbsee> [23:47] <Hobbsee> noren: do you have linux-image-generic installed?
[12:54] <noren> Hobbsee: how do i check that
[12:54] <Hobbsee> noren: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.28-9-generic linux-image-generic
[12:54] <Hobbsee> please pastebin the output of ^
[12:56] <noren> http://paste.ubuntu.com/131046/
[12:57] <Hobbsee> oh
[12:57] <Hobbsee> noren: 'sudo chroot /path/to/jaunty/system' first, please.
[12:57] <noren> Hobbsee: but right now i am here with kubuntu 8.10 setup, i was not able to boot into kubuntu amd64 jaunty
[12:57] <Hobbsee> yeah, i just realised that, when looking at intrepid ;)
[13:04] <noren> Hobbsee:
[13:05] <noren> noren@noren-desktop:/$ sudo chroot /media/disk
[13:05] <noren> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[13:05] <Hobbsee> that's worrying
[13:05] <Hobbsee> noren: did it show any problems with the install?
[13:05] <Hobbsee> emma: oh, and the new notifications are shiny if you do decide to install / upgrade to jaunty, btw.
[13:06] <Hobbsee> emma: although gnome-do becomes even more important
[13:06] <noren> no, but i can mount the partitionn and browse in the dolphin also
[13:07] <Hobbsee> noren: you can try with 'sudo chroot /path/to/jaunty/system /bin/sh', but if bash is dead, and you have no working kernel, then i'd probably just reinstall it
[13:07] <Hobbsee> seeing as something clearly went bang.
[13:09] <noren> here /path/to/jaunty/system [13:10] <noren> or am i doing something wrong
[13:10] <Hobbsee> well, path to the jaunty /
[13:10] <Hobbsee> could be, depending on where you've mounted the jaunty partition to
[13:13] <noren> Hobbsee; i cant seem to find chroot in the 8.10
[13:14] <Hobbsee> noren:  what do you mean?
[13:14] <noren> should;nt there be file called chroot in the root/bin
[13:15] <noren> how can i check if i have chroot
[13:15] <scizzo-> noren: check sbin
[13:15] <scizzo-> noren: or type: find / -name "*chroot*"
[13:16] <Hobbsee> apt-get install chroot
[13:18] <noren> noren@noren-desktop:/$ sudo chroot /media/disk
[13:18] <noren> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[13:18] <noren> well is this the prob because i am trying to access from x86 to amd64 bit format
[13:21] <noren> Hobbsee: can i fix this running the live cd again
[13:21] <noren> and asking for help frm therre
[13:21] <Hobbsee> probably, but i'm about to head off
[13:21] <andre_pl> I've seen lots of reports of people having video flickering issues with compiz, usually wrt video playback.. in my case, on 2 different laptops, on ever ubuntu version from 7.10 up to the current Jaunty beta, I get a intermittent flicker, almost as ig the display is losing power for a split second, just a black screen that flashes for an instant. has anyone had this problem before?
[13:23] <noren> Hobbsee: just wait and give me a head start from theere
[13:33] <ubuntu_> Hobbsee: this is noren from live cd
[13:33] <ubuntu_> i could do cchroot from here
[13:34] <hayooda> Hello, when I used the default Fedora install at university, it was possible to shrink all windows and arrange them on screen so that they are all visible at the same time by bringing the mouse to the top right corner.  I'm trying out Jaunty Alpha 6, and this functionality does not seem to be set up by default.  How can I enable it?
[13:34] <ubuntu_> how to install linux image generic
[13:35] <hayooda> Another question:  How can I install Wine?  It is not listed in Synaptic.  (I enabled all repositories except the source code one)
[13:35] <ubuntu_> hayooda: go to system setting there u can do that
[13:36] <hayooda> ubuntu_: that's not a very clear description ... what do you mean by "go to system setting"?
[13:36] <dotblank> hayooda: have you tried adding wine's repo?
[13:37] <ubuntu_> hayooda: frm kmenu
[13:37] <WelshDragon> wine should be in universe
[13:37] <hayooda> dotblank: OK, so it's not included by default, I have to add Wine's repo directly?  OK, I'll try that
[13:38] <hayooda> WelshDragon: If it's there, how can I find it?  Searching for wine gives nothing.
[13:38] <joaopinto> hayooda, wine is available from synaptic, it 's on the universe repository
[13:38] <hayooda> Oh, now it does ...
[13:38] <WelshDragon> hayooda, what does 'apt-cache policy wine' give you?
[13:38] <WelshDragon> ah.. =)
[13:39] <hayooda> I wonder why it gave no results on the previous two tries ...
[13:39] <joaopinto> hayooda, because you had universe disabled
[13:39] <joaopinto> or you didn't update the packages info
[13:39] <hayooda> actually I did .... but it doesn't matter any more, I'm happy that it works now
[13:49] <ubuntu_> Hobbsee:are u there
[13:57] <andre_pl> OMG, I fixed my issue :)  however. I've noticed that CCSM crashes all the time and generally doesn't work on jaunty, is this a known issue?
[13:59] <dnyaga> System freezes when copying large directories between ext4 partitions. Bug 330824. Ext4 bug?
[14:19] <ryanakca> How can I have the KDE4 Network Management plasmoid / applet connect to a wireless network that isn't broadcasting itself?
[14:20] <lenios> hi, anyone with a broken aptitude/apt-get?
[14:20] <emma> !cloning | This seems like a good option for people who are going to install Jaunty
[14:21] <emma> or does that not work when you are installing a new release?
[14:22] <noren> hi all
[14:32] <theholyduck> emma, it COULD work
[14:32] <theholyduck> but it COULD horribly fail
[14:32] <theholyduck> if packages change name
[14:42] <drostie> theholyduck: emma's advice might be worse -- I vaguely remember that the kubuntu.org upgrade-to-KDE-4.2 path involved uninstalling kde 4.1's plasmoids. They'd presumably get installed by this method, if I'm not mistaken.
[14:43] <theholyduck> drostie, yeah
[14:43] <IntuitiveNipple> What is the latest kernel version (linux-image-generic) installed by update-manager? For some reason I'm seeing it pinned to 2.6.28.7.7 on a PC here
[14:43] <theholyduck> if anything changes name. it would sorta ruin things
[14:43] <rww> !info linux-image-generic jaunty
[14:44] <IntuitiveNipple> rww: I *know* that. I'm asking what version update-manager has *actually* installed on other systems
[14:44] <rww> IntuitiveNipple: that's the version I have too. I was just double *checking*
[14:44] <IntuitiveNipple> rww: As opposed to installation from a recent ISO image
[14:44] <IntuitiveNipple> rww: ok... let you off :D
[14:45] <IntuitiveNipple> I can't figure out what is holding it back:s
[14:45] <IntuitiveNipple> linux-image-generic:
[14:45] <IntuitiveNipple>   Installed: 2.6.28.7.7
[14:45] <IntuitiveNipple>   Candidate: 2.6.28.9.9
[14:46] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought it might be gcc / glibc but the update and a restart hasn't changed things
[14:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Yet I've got a PXE net-boot tester using 2.6.28-9.9
[14:47] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm, there's a libc6 held up
[14:47] <drostie> IntuitiveNipple: have you tried just apt-get dist-upgrading?
[14:50] <IntuitiveNipple> drostie: No. I'd like to get to the bottom of why the package is held up
[14:51] <RainCT_> Hey
[14:51] <drostie> On Jaunty? Lots of packages have impossible-to-resolve dependencies right now.
[14:51] <drostie> I think deluge still, also.
[14:52] <rww> drostie: deluge is fixed now :)
[14:52]  * rww installed it earlier today
[14:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Kernel shouldn't, it's been published a few days
[14:53] <drostie> rww: yay! :D
[14:56] <Starcraftmazter> get guys, i get a gdm restart sometimes when i plug in my headphones (logitech usb headset), would anyone know why?
[14:56] <Starcraftmazter> hey*
[14:56] <BUGabundo> anybody having troule with wifi not working (device level) ?
[14:58] <tmeixner> Is there a "create bootable usb key" package in kubuntu 9.04? I tried to make a 9.04 key in 8.10 and it's not bootable.
[14:59] <theholyduck> tmeixner, just use unetbootin?
[14:59] <theholyduck> thats what i always use for my bootable usb pens
[14:59] <bazhang> !info usb-creator
[15:00] <Unggnu> hi all
[15:00] <Unggnu> Does anyone know how I can use the staging kernel drivers?
[15:00] <Unggnu> of the Ubuntu kernel
[15:00] <BUGabundo> tmeixner: there usb-creator on the archive
[15:00] <BUGabundo> if it fails format the pen again
[15:00] <bazhang> tmeixner, usb-creator is the package
[15:00] <tmeixner> ok, thanks guys - I'll check it out and report back.
[15:07] <BUGabundo> bug 342804
[15:09] <IntuitiveNipple> rww: Did you say you have a system also pinned to kernel 2.6.28-7 ?
[15:10] <rww> IntuitiveNipple: no
[15:10] <IntuitiveNipple> rww: oh... the "...version I have too..." is the current archive version?
[15:12] <IntuitiveNipple> I notice that glibc is several versions out-of-date too. Very weird.
[15:20] <theholyduck> IntuitiveNipple, tried doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? :P
[15:20] <andoo> hi there. can anybody give me some hints why my jaunty-installation is missing the udev-rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ?
[15:21] <andoo> just wanted to check why it's not creating the device-files for dri but didn't find anything in there, except the persistant-rules
[15:22] <IntuitiveNipple> theholyduck: No. I'm trying to identify the 'new' packages that are causing the 'kept-back' status :)
[15:27] <IntuitiveNipple> I *think* it is caused by "rdepends libudev0" devicekit connman network-manager
[15:28] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: you are using connman???
[15:28] <BUGabundo> its ALPHA state!!!!!!!
[15:30] <IntuitiveNipple> No. I am reporting the rdepends of libudev0 which wasn't installed... looks like the cascade from there through devicekit and network-manager caused the keep-backs
[15:30] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I hate to break it to you, but Jaunty is *alpha* state :p
[15:31] <BUGabundo> ok, but connman aint even in the archive!!!
[15:31] <BUGabundo> is it??
[15:31] <IntuitiveNipple> The root cause of this for me would seem to be the custom udev packages I installed when we were working on fixing the udev/lvm storm a while back
[15:31] <BUGabundo> it is.... lol
[15:32] <BUGabundo> but asac said against not using it...
[15:32] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: maybe... I was mentioning what 'rdepends' reports
[15:35] <IntuitiveNipple> ouch! "[libc6] This script detected the following installed services which must be stopped before the upgrade: gdm "
[15:35] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:35] <BUGabundo> don't you hate when upgrades force services to start (that were already STOP) ?
[15:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Well killing gdm would be pretty bad right now!
[15:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Looks like I have to drop to a console
[15:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Looking at the terminal - there are *masses* of errors of the form "Use of uninitialized value $Text::WrapI18N::charmap in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm line 137, <GEN1> line 5."
[15:37] <IntuitiveNipple> right. off to the console I go
[15:48] <noren> hi there
[15:48] <noren> hi there i got this fresh install of jaunty but the plasma not working
[15:48] <BUGabundo> at least you fixed your dual boot now!
[15:48] <BUGabundo> was it like I said?
[15:49] <noren> BUGabundo: no man i had a fresh cd burnt and then installed
[15:51] <noren> wats the command for dist upgradde
[15:51] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[15:51] <BUGabundo> daftykins: close!!
[15:51] <daftykins> :o?
[15:51] <BUGabundo> noren: what for? from ibex to jaunty?
[15:51] <BUGabundo> or just package force upgrade?
[15:52] <BUGabundo> for distro upgrade (unlike debian) the best way is update-manager -d
[15:52] <daftykins> i think as he's just installed jaunty he's talking about the command i mentioned, rather than upgrading between version which obviously wouldn't be possible
[15:52] <BUGabundo> or do-release-upgrade -d (for cli)
[15:52] <noren> BUGabundo: after this fresh install nothing comes  after login am using alt f2 to launch software
[15:53] <BUGabundo> nomego: use gnome-do or gnome-applet
[15:53] <BUGabundo> wayyyyyyyyy better
[15:53] <noren> am trying to use jaunty amd64 bit install
[15:53] <BUGabundo> or a plain terminal
[15:53] <BUGabundo> no need to mention amd or intel
[15:53] <BUGabundo> just that it is 64 bits
[15:53] <noren> oh ok
[15:53]  * BUGabundo that name is sooooooo miss leading nowadays
[15:54] <daftykins> only to those unfamiliar with instruction sets ;)
[15:54] <xangua> hello, good morning;, i would like to ask what kind of issues do you have with Ubuntu Gnome Jaunty ¿
[15:55] <noren> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/131129/ << this is wat i m getting
[15:55] <BUGabundo> xangua: better read the release notes
[15:55] <BUGabundo> see /topic
[15:56] <BUGabundo> xangua: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha6
[15:56] <noren> cant figure out where the prob is
[15:56] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[15:57] <noren> BUGabundo: is there a way to fix my prob
[15:58] <xangua> are there any issues with Ext4 and Gnome¿, i've heard some problems with Ext4 and KDE
[16:02] <noren> do i ihave to install nvidia seperately
[16:07] <BUGabundo> xangua: there are NO problems with EXT4
[16:07] <BUGabundo> the only prob is with apps that expect something that they shouldn't (aka FS to dump after few secs and not keep cache)
[16:08] <BUGabundo> so if you have a power failure data can be lost, cause it was not dumped to disk
[16:08] <BUGabundo> noren: what is your prob?
[16:09] <xangua> ok. i have read in the descriptions that it is unable to load X's in Intel i845 or i865 video chipsets, how can i know what chipset am i using ¿
[16:09] <BUGabundo> xangua: $sudo lspci -vvv
[16:09] <BUGabundo> xangua: $sudo lspci -vvv | more
[16:09] <xangua> hanks
[16:10] <xangua> thanks *
[16:13] <crdlb> BUGabundo: lol
[16:13] <BUGabundo> crdlb: what?
[16:14] <crdlb> "there are NO problems" ...
[16:14] <Beardbar> anyone know how to restart kde in alpha6 since ctrl/alt/backspace isnt used anymore?
[16:14] <BUGabundo> Beardbar: man did you read the release notes?
[16:14] <taavikko> Beardbar: /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[16:14] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install dontzap
[16:14] <crdlb> uh
[16:14] <BUGabundo> $ sudo dontzap -d
[16:15] <BUGabundo> end session and login again CAB works again!
[16:15] <crdlb> taavikko: that's a bit more than restarting kde
[16:15] <BUGabundo> and KDE even has a GUI for this
[16:15] <BUGabundo> crdlb: am I wrong?
[16:15] <BUGabundo> no "known" problems
[16:15] <taavikko> yeap, but it indeed restarts
[16:15] <BUGabundo> or at least a mediatic as some ppl want to make it look
[16:16] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:16] <Beardbar> taavikko: only once
[16:16] <BUGabundo> irony! need to restart session to enable option to restart session
[16:16] <BUGabundo> its as funny as apport (to report crash) being crashy
[16:16] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[16:16] <crdlb> which is why we have 'log out'
[16:16] <Beardbar> taavikko: after the first restart of doing that it doesnt bring you ot of kde. but BUGabundo is right, the logout to console works well in kde4.2.1 now
[16:18] <taavikko> my bad, my exp on kde is very limited, just installed it on my obsolete notebook
[16:23] <Finnish_> How do I restart X?
[16:25] <BUGabundo> Finnish_: shii couldn't you have come 2 min earlier!? we just discussed that
[16:25] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:26]  * charlie-tca ROFL
[16:29] <BUGabundo> what's up charlie-tca? having a nice day?
[16:29]  * seinfeldrox is enjoying the weekend
[16:30] <charlie-tca> I´m having a great day! Thanks for asking.
[16:30]  * charlie-tca thinks most users don't know BUGabundo used to be very calm
[16:31] <BUGabundo> did I ??
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Ubiquity seems to have a minor error installing from the desktop daily image
[16:31]  * BUGabundo wonder when!
[16:31] <BUGabundo> LOL
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Must have been *way* back
[16:32] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: how not calm am I?
[16:32] <BUGabundo> maybe I can improve
 Finnish_: shii couldn't you have come 2 min earlier!? we just discussed that
[16:32] <BUGabundo> do you mean less talking or more easy going with users probs?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> calm ^^
[16:32] <BUGabundo> Door number 2
[16:32] <BUGabundo> hege
[16:32] <BUGabundo> it was a joke/sarcams
[16:32] <BUGabundo> he left the channel
[16:33] <BUGabundo> you should have been on my talk to akgraner yesterday
[16:33] <BUGabundo> you would have got that!
[16:33] <BUGabundo> seems that I have multipersonality
[16:33] <charlie-tca> I see
[16:33] <BUGabundo> and when Online my BUGabundo persona takes over....
[16:33] <charlie-tca> No! you with multipersonality?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> the other me is not like this (most of the time)
[16:34] <BUGabundo> and BUGabundo seems to enjoy sarcarsm a bit too much
[16:34] <BUGabundo> to the point it gets REALLY not understood
[16:34] <charlie-tca> hehe
[16:34] <BUGabundo> have you ever read my emails sig?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> That I believe. It happens to a lot of people
[16:34] <BUGabundo> I try to explain... cause I've learned in the past...
[16:35] <BUGabundo> seems something gets lost in translation
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Yes, read it. Believe it? is up in the air
[16:35] <BUGabundo> unless ME (aka Fernando) is in a really bad mood
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I saw you on the mailing lists a couple years ago. You were a little pushy, sometimes
[16:35] <BUGabundo> BUGabundo: gets a wild card and goes mess up stuff and says what ever "it" wants
[16:36] <BUGabundo> see "pushy" that exacly....
[16:36] <BUGabundo> I never aimed at it
[16:36] <BUGabundo> seems to just "comes out" or over the real intent of the IM/IRC/mail/forum post
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I knew that, but sometimes it pays to be
[16:38] <BUGabundo> I know!
[16:38] <BUGabundo> you can't imagine the amount of ppl I seem to piss off over the years
[16:38] <BUGabundo> hay I still do... lol
[16:38] <BUGabundo> you guys get sick of me so many times
[16:38] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I can imagine. I have my share of them, too.
[16:38] <BUGabundo> so bare with me!! I'm really a nice guy
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Some seem to quit talking to me altogether! and I am a nice guy.
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Without you, a LOT of people won't get helped.
[16:39] <BUGabundo> really?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:40]  * BUGabundo wonders on how many ppl I'm on /dev/null or IRC Ignore
[16:41] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: never seen anyone get angry at you HERE
[16:41] <charlie-tca> That is only because I try to keep quiet when you are here
[16:41] <BUGabundo> eheheheheheeh
[16:41] <BUGabundo> oh come on! really? why would you do that?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> You got the answers better than me
[16:42] <BUGabundo> you have much more knowlage then me
[16:42] <BUGabundo> I've been on Ubuntu 100% of the time since 6.06
[16:42]  * BUGabundo looks at #u+1 older log
[16:42] <charlie-tca> I started with 5.04
[16:42] <charlie-tca> But only been on IRC for 50 weeks
[16:43] <BUGabundo> me from 5.10
[16:43] <Finnish_> I've just bought a 23" screen, I'm trying to connect it with HDMI, but how do I make it work?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> but on dual boot
[16:44] <BUGabundo> Finnish_: newer kernel has suport for it
[16:44] <BUGabundo> other then that I have NO idea
[16:46] <BUGabundo> ok charlie-tca the older log of #u+1 is 2008-05-13
[16:46] <robin0800> Finnish_: system /preferences/display perhaps
[16:47] <charlie-tca> Finnish_: mine just worked after changing the BIOS setting from the onboard video to pci video
[16:51] <noren> BUGabundo: sorry was away, well  i am doing an dist upgrade let me see if it fixes
[16:51] <noren> i have got an broken plasma
[16:52] <Finnish_> robin0800: I can't see my screen on display preferences
[16:52] <Finnish_> charlie-tca: Hmm, I'm quite sure I have no settings for that in my BIOS
[16:53] <noren> BUGabundo: sorry was away, well  i am doing an dist upgrade let me see if it fixes
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Finnish_: it does not let you pick the video output? normally things like pci, agp, onboard... Mine will only output if set to pci, even with an agp card
[16:54] <charlie-tca> vga works on any setting, but hdmi works from pci only
[16:54] <Finnish_> charlie-tca: No, this is a HP laptop, BIOS is quite limited with settings
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Yes, they are limited. I don't know, then
[16:55] <Finnish_> Damn
[16:56] <charlie-tca> !hdmi
[16:56]  * charlie-tca kicks the 'bot
[16:58] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i'll ping you in ~30 mins
[16:58] <Finnish_> This is very frustrating! Hmmm, I guess I'm not the only one with this setup. My card is ATI
[16:58] <dtchen> currently finishing some GNOME Do ppa stuff
[17:00] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I'll be here!
[17:00] <BUGabundo> if today doesn't fix, ill backup and reinstal
[17:00]  * BUGabundo that reminds me: time to rsync daily isos
[17:15] <BUGabundo> daily iso download complete sent 184.44K bytes  received 375.82M bytes  598.33K bytes/sec total size is 693.16M  speedup is 1.84
[17:15] <BUGabundo> md5 checks out
[17:23] <charlie-tca> I still trying to get the desktop cd to install
[17:23] <Eruaran> Anyone else getting lengthy freezes with Kubuntu ?
[17:25] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: is it that bad??
[17:25] <BUGabundo> I wanted to format and reinstall mine!
[17:26] <charlie-tca> fails right about at the end
[17:26] <BUGabundo> its seems everytime I *really* want to do it, something happens
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Ubiquity error
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Alternate cd seems to work okay
[17:28] <Eruaran> I sometimes get a freeze, desktop cant be used... sometimes comes back after a minute or two, sometimes I have to reboot... might be a panic
[17:30] <IntuitiveNipple> What do the system logs show?
[17:31] <Eruaran> IntuitiveNipple: sorry I'm not very technical, how do I bring those up ?
[17:32] <IntuitiveNipple> The log-files in /var/log/ will likely show something. I'd start with kern.log
[17:32] <Eruaran> ok
[17:33] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: gnome-systemlog is user friendlier
[17:33] <BUGabundo> Eruaran: ^^^^^^^
[17:33] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: indeed. I was giving the location not the method of inspection :)
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> But as the user is on Kubuntu I don't think gnome-systemlog is installed, is it?
[17:34] <Eruaran> I have a long list of: [ 4333.405381] ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [f6c1df18] 'on'
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Eruaran: Sounds like a candidate for doing "ubuntu-bug -p linux" and attaching /var/log/kern.log to the resulting launchpad bug report
[17:37] <noren> hi seeking help for faulty plasma in jaunty 64bit
[17:38] <noren> test
[17:38] <BUGabundo> Eruaran: that doesn't look good
[17:39] <BUGabundo> noren test back eheh
[17:39] <Eruaran> BUGabundo: It doesn't seem to affect my system... I'm not sure its related
[17:39] <Eruaran> BUGabundo: as far as cooling devices go... all my fans are working :P
[17:39] <BUGabundo> if some fan is not starting due to kernel bug, I find it a serious bug
[17:40] <BUGabundo> still a bug!
[17:40] <Eruaran> yes
[17:40] <BUGabundo> what are you doing using an alpha OS
[17:40] <Eruaran> testing it
[17:40] <BUGabundo> if not to find,triage and fix bugs
[17:40] <BUGabundo> for stable releases!
[17:40] <Eruaran> submitting bug reports
[17:40] <BUGabundo> I always have two terminal with apport-cli -fp and apt-cache policy on hand
[17:40] <robin0800_> Eruaran: KDE has a log viewer
[17:41] <BUGabundo> I really should go purge my 300+ bug list!
[17:41] <BUGabundo> I'm just afraid of doing it!
[17:41] <BUGabundo> let me grab someone else to do it for me
[17:41] <Eruaran> robin0800_: oh yes... ksystemlog
[17:41] <xkubuntu> Hi, I want to try jaunty so I downloaded the alpha 6 amd64 but I got an error cannot boot from CD, what next?
[17:42] <charlie-tca> xkubuntu: check the md5sum?
[17:43] <Eruaran> BUGabundo: I might check my bios settings first... I installed a fanless graphics card and I have a feeling I should check whats in my bios settings first
[17:43] <xkubuntu> charlie-tca: yes the md5sum is OK, I also tried ubuntu and kubuntu jaunty
[17:43] <noren_> is getting a plasma fault inn alfa 6 common for now
[17:43] <xkubuntu> charlie-tca: I now see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/330866
[17:43] <Eruaran> noren: what kind of fault ?
[17:44] <xkubuntu> charlie-tca: and yes I am also using Dell
[17:44] <noren_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/131129/   << plasma not strating
[17:44] <BUGabundo> xkubuntu: that's a regression I think
[17:44] <BUGabundo> it was fixed a while ago
[17:45] <charlie-tca> xkubuntu: can you add to the report? I will triage it and try to get it moving then
[17:45] <xkubuntu> BUGabundo: I tried alpha 6 and same problem
[17:45] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: bug 342319
[17:45] <charlie-tca> fix did not make it to the live cd yet
[17:46] <BUGabundo> ahh ok
[17:46] <BUGabundo> yea it is fres
[17:46] <BUGabundo> *fresh
[17:46] <BUGabundo> I read it on the team meeting this week
[17:46] <BUGabundo> why do ppl get milestone images instead of dailies is a mistery to me
[17:47] <charlie-tca> It is a misery for me too
[17:47] <Eruaran> noren: not sure
[17:47] <charlie-tca> but in this case, the alpha 6 live cd installs
[17:51] <xkubuntu> BUGabundo: yes I added a comment to bug 330866
[17:52] <xkubuntu> BUGabundo, charlie-tca: is there an image I can download that solves that?
[17:52] <thiebaude> bug 304871
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Not that I know of, unless the alternate cd works. Did you try that?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: do DVD fix it too?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:54] <charlie-tca> 330866 confirmed
[17:54] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I don't know. I tried both amd64 and i386 desktop cd's only
[17:55] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:55] <charlie-tca> xkubuntu: I would try the alternate installer for today
[17:55] <charlie-tca> !daily
[17:56] <xkubuntu> charlie-tca: ok thanks
[17:56] <charlie-tca> good luck
[17:56] <charlie-tca> and thanks for commenting on that bug report
[18:07] <ubuntu_> hi all
[18:08] <ubuntu_> I was trying to install jaunty, but ubiquity doesn't display any partitions, nor I'm able to make changes to the partition table
[18:09] <charlie-tca> I think trying the alternate cd may work
[18:10] <ubuntu_> I'll give it a try
[18:11] <pARAd0X> hi
[18:12] <xkubuntu> charlie-tca: you saw the comment of Tj? I cannot provide that!
[18:13] <ActionParsnip1> hey all, is there a jaunty alpha7 proposed?
[18:14] <xkubuntu> xkubuntu: I should request he find a dell studio 1535 laptop to test with instead ;)
[18:15] <charlie-tca> xkubuntu: he is a developer. Just ask for exact details how to obtain that when it freezes and you can't do anything
[18:15] <charlie-tca> ActionParsnip1: won't be an alpha 7. Next release is Beta
[18:15] <IntuitiveNipple> xkubuntu: Does the PC have a serial port? Or, do you have another PC to run netconsole reports to?
[18:17] <xkubuntu> IntuitiveNipple: I don't have a serial port on my laptop and don't have access to any other PC now!
[18:18] <IntuitiveNipple> xkubuntu: Okay. Are you sure your experience is the exact same issue the original bug report tries to describe? To me, the entire report is too inprecise to be able to do any determination. Too many things can cause the hang, and seeing the USB device settling is a normal part of most boots and usually not anything to do with the error.
[18:19] <xkubuntu> IntuitiveNipple: no I am not sure whether they are the same issues, I am just sure that Dell Studio 1535 don't boot
[18:21] <xkubuntu> IntuitiveNipple, charlie-tca: wait, they are different bugs I guess because i don't get any kernel messages, I just got that error when I choose try or install
[18:21] <charlie-tca> My fault. I thought the first reporter had enough in the report for it to be looked at.
[18:21] <xkubuntu> charlie-tca: should I mention that in the report?
[18:22] <charlie-tca> yes, tell them what you actually get
[18:22] <IntuitiveNipple> charlie-tca: I think the OP maybe got past the error and never returned to the bug. Occupational hazzard with alpha releases and moving goal posts
[18:23] <charlie-tca> IntuitiveNipple: very true. I usually go back and clear my own when they get fixed for me
[18:23] <BUGabundo1> I can't!
[18:24] <BUGabundo1> I'm too lazy and scared of old bugs
[18:24] <charlie-tca> tell me. I will clear them for you
[18:24] <BUGabundo1> every time I go back I end up with more bugs
[18:24] <IntuitiveNipple> xkubuntu: When you say the PC "doesn't boot" that doesn't really help. We need some precise information such as "The kernel starts but locks up early", or "The kernel loads, the screen goes blank but I can see the hard disk LED flashing for 30 seconds".
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Just make sure they are fixed
[18:24] <BUGabundo1> instead of less
[18:24] <xkubuntu> charlie-tca: ok I added a comment now
[18:24] <BUGabundo1> charlie-tca: LOL auto close? lol I just asked yoboy to do it
[18:24] <BUGabundo1> lets see if that works out
[18:25] <charlie-tca> That will work. He is trying hard to learn
[18:25] <BUGabundo1> charlie-tca: on how many bugs are you subed to?
[18:25] <BUGabundo1> I have 300+ some from feisty
[18:25] <BUGabundo1> heeh
[18:25] <BUGabundo1> some for older hw that I can't retest
[18:25] <charlie-tca> only 380
[18:26] <charlie-tca> but I go them through every week or two
[18:26] <BUGabundo1> yeah close to me
[18:26] <BUGabundo1> really?
[18:26] <BUGabundo1> web based? LP API, email?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> I want to know if they got fixed
[18:26] <charlie-tca> web
[18:26] <BUGabundo1> when they do, I get email... easy
[18:26] <BUGabundo1> I miss janitor!
[18:26] <BUGabundo1> I would love to get a nudge from old, inactive bugs
[18:27] <charlie-tca> Sometimes they fix it in the daily, and the bug never got past new
[18:27] <BUGabundo1> can't it be activated per user bugs?
[18:27] <BUGabundo1> lol
[18:27] <BUGabundo1> I also read apt-list changes
[18:27] <charlie-tca> Hell, I would give a lot just to have it updating upstream bug watches now
[18:27] <BUGabundo1> so I catch most of the ones that affect me in current release
[18:28] <charlie-tca> I am only doing about 150 new bugs a month now
[18:28] <BUGabundo1> I'm calmer now
[18:28] <IntuitiveNipple> xkubuntu: These bug reports all imply that Jaunty *does* work (boots) on the Studio 1535 - they report issues with packages and functions. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22Dell+Studio+1535%22+jaunty+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F&btnG=Search&meta=
[18:28] <BUGabundo1> before alpha3 I was doing 3-5 a day
[18:29] <BUGabundo1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[18:29] <charlie-tca> I had three fixed this week, working with devels
[18:29] <BUGabundo1> yeah
[18:29] <BUGabundo1> when I have some MAJOR bug, that's what I do... I nag them until see it fix
[18:30] <BUGabundo1> that means, NM, Firefox, audio (winks at dtchen)
[18:30] <BUGabundo1> etc
[18:30] <BUGabundo1> memory leaks, gwibber, StopWorking until Fixed Crashes
[18:31] <BUGabundo1> pidgin and kdepim
[18:31] <xkubuntu> IntuitiveNipple: those guys tried an older alpha version than 6 almost, it's a regression i believe
[18:31] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo1: it don't look so bad
[19:08]  * BUGabundo1 wonders if dtchen clock is broken
[19:08] <BUGabundo1> eheheh
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> maco: please let dtchenk now I'll be back latter tonigh
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> thanks
[19:09] <maco> ok
[19:17] <axel_foley> hallo @ all
[19:17] <axel_foley> welche grafiktreiber von nvidia hat jaunty? kann man da schon die 180.29 auswählen?
[19:18] <xtknight> !info nvidia-glx-180 jaunty | axel_foley
[19:19] <xtknight> jaunty has 180.37
[19:19] <axel_foley> ok thx
[19:21] <axel_foley> i have some problems with my nvidia driver..... 177 and want to install the 180.29 on intrepid. or is it better to wait? :-D
[19:21] <xtknight> axel_foley, you're on intrepid or jaunty now?
[19:21] <xtknight> as in , what are you using at the moment
[19:22] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=851521
[19:22] <DanaG> there's a PPA for newer nvidia on Intrpid.
[19:22] <xtknight> you can type "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180"  and everything should be fine, at least i'd think..  you might want to uninstall the nvidia.com ones if you installed them.  or uninstall 177.  "sudo sh NVIDIA-177.run --uninstall"
[19:22] <DanaG> er, wrong link
[19:23] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~anders-kaseorg/+archive/ppa
[19:27] <aboSamoor> I have problem with the mouse pointer and keyboard they are slow, how can I know if there is a problem or not ?
[19:29] <xtknight> aboSamoor, are you using a wireless mouse/kb?
[19:29] <aboSamoor> xtknight: no, I am just using my thinkpad r61
[19:29] <xtknight> hrmm
[19:30] <xtknight> aboSamoor, does anything else seem slow?
[19:30] <xtknight> like the graphics
[19:30] <xtknight> or do you get a sense it's purely and utterly an input problem with the mouse/kb
[19:30] <aboSamoor> xtknight: switching the tabs in firefox is slow, I tested compiz and it gives me 160 frame/second
[19:31] <xtknight> aboSamoor, are you using the default ubuntu theme?
[19:31] <xtknight> and have you tried with compiz on/off
[19:32] <aboSamoor> xtknight: I am using right now Human theme, I was using dark room. I did not try to turn compiz off, I am using the docky gnome do.
[19:33] <xtknight> yeah i would try turning compiz off first
[19:34] <aboSamoor> xtknight: it works most of the time, but sometimes mouse/kb is slow and nothing weird for the CPU, Had Disk usage and no high usage from the system monitor
[19:35] <xtknight> aboSamoor, and there's no particular pattern to when the mouse/kb get slow?  seemingly random?>
[19:36] <aboSamoor> xtknight: I think so, Xorg takes 120-150 MB in memory. But switching firefox tabs is always slow
[19:36] <xtknight> aboSamoor, ya switching firefox tabs has always been a bit slower for me as well.  and it's usually because of the GTK theme engine
[19:37] <xtknight> but i think we're not talking about general sluggishness, but instead sporadic and unexpected jerky mouse movement and keyboard lag right
[19:37] <xtknight> it could be from I/O ..
[19:37] <xtknight> updatedb maybe
[19:37] <xtknight> experiment with 'top', 'latencytop', 'powertop', 'dmesg'.... you will probably find the problem
[19:38] <aboSamoor> xtknight: "unexpected jerky mouse movement" this is exactly what I want to say for the mouse, for the keyboard I type may words before the first letters appear
[19:38] <xtknight> aboSamoor, yeah it's i/o for sure almost
[19:38] <xtknight> if you're doing nothing else cpu intensive
[19:38] <xtknight> how's your memory...  "free -m"
[19:39] <axel_foley> xtknight: on intrepid
[19:39] <aboSamoor> xtknight: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131239/
[19:39] <xtknight> axel_foley, and you want to install 180.37?
[19:40] <xtknight> aboSamoor, seems fairly healthy to me.  but check programs that could be using i/o.  download latencytop (may be in synaptic)
[19:41] <axel_foley> xtknight: thanks!!! i dont know that the driver are in the sources too :-D
[19:41] <aboSamoor> xtknight: I think I have serious problem with the I/O operations, I don't from where. However, I filed bug 341625 in launchpad against Hard disk and I asked for help in #ubuntu-kernel without reply.
[19:42] <xtknight> aboSamoor, mine freezes a bit too, but only in extremely intense i/o
[19:42] <xtknight> if light things slow it down, it's usually because DMA is not enabledl
[19:42] <aboSamoor> xtknight: mine is freezing for more than 10 minutes, and I am not asking for any I/O operation, this is just happened randomly !
[19:43] <xtknight> ah
[19:43] <xtknight> aboSamoor, you see nothing in dmesg?
[19:43] <xtknight> aboSamoor, the only time that happens to me is when i'm dealing with like 2 huge virtual machines and i'm low on ram
[19:43] <xtknight> i've had it bad before tho
[19:43] <xtknight> like half an hour haha
[19:43] <xtknight> mouse would just be like unusable for 30 mins until my VMs shut down
[19:44] <aboSamoor> xtknight: the problem that I can not monitor anything while the Hard disk is busy
[19:44] <aboSamoor> xtknight: the next time I will try to search dmesg
[19:44] <xtknight> ah
[19:45] <xtknight> yeah
[19:46] <Beardbar> anyone having problems with packagekit, just installed alpha6 and I can't even find firefox when running a search. do I have to setup my sources manually?
[19:47] <aboSamoor> xtknight: what are the parameters should I care for in latencytop ?
[19:48] <xtknight> aboSamoor, i would just start it with "sudo latencytop" and then look at each process and see if anything is causing excessive latency.  to tell you the truth i haven't used this prog much but i thought maybe it would be helpful
[19:48] <xtknight> let me start some intensive i/o and see if i can tell u what to look for
[19:49] <xtknight> just copy the top portion of your latency top screen into psatebin
[19:51] <aboSamoor> xtknight: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131248/
[19:53] <aboSamoor> xtknight: this is related to Xorg http://paste.ubuntu.com/131249/
[19:53] <xtknight> aboSamoor, you seem to have a lot of page faults and memory related operations
[19:53] <xtknight> but did u try disabling compiz ?
[19:54] <aboSamoor> xtknight: this is related to firefox http://paste.ubuntu.com/131251/
[19:54] <aboSamoor> xtknight: I will try now
[19:54] <xtknight> aboSamoor, my firefox and xorg don't even mention page faults and page to disk
[19:55] <xtknight> youve got a memory leak
[19:55] <xtknight> i think
[19:55] <xtknight> one of the drivers or software you're using
[19:56] <xtknight> maybe the video driver.  so try 'vesa' or some video driver other than the one you're using now.
[19:57] <xtknight> which...by the way, what video driver are you using
[19:57] <xtknight> nvidia has known huge leaks with compiz at times
[19:57] <aboSamoor> xtknight: all the drivers are open source. I have intel 965 chipset
[19:58] <xtknight> aboSamoor, okay... try using 'vesa' instead of 'intel' or 'i915'
[19:58] <xtknight> we have to limit the problem by turning down graphics effects
[19:58] <xtknight> and the video will be slow with vesa, but there won't be stuttering unless you're opening a window.  it will be noticeably more consistent
[19:59] <skyl> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/schooltool-owners/ubuntu intrepid main  can I use this, replacing with 'jaunty' gives 404...
[20:00] <xtknight> skyl, if you don't mind the risk of slight system breakage you can try the intrepid packages
[20:00] <xtknight> may cause some system unrest or it may be just fine
[20:01] <aboSamoor> xtknight: how I can change the driver ? I disabled compiz. I am watching the latencytop and it seems that all applications make extensive page faults !
[20:01] <xtknight> aboSamoor, yea that means a driver is leaking memory, most likely.  because ALL those apps may rely on one driver, or maybe even a library
[20:01] <skyl> xtknight thanks for the tip
[20:01] <xtknight> aboSamoor, gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:01] <skyl> jaunty is rocking right now :)
[20:01] <xtknight> ya that's good
[20:02] <xtknight> aboSamoor, put Driver "vesa" under  Section "Device"
[20:02] <aboSamoor> xtknight: in hardy there was a gui to change drivers
[20:02] <xtknight> or change the driver to vesa
[20:02] <xtknight> aboSamoor, hmm more or less.. altho this is more reliable
[20:02]  * BUGabundo is back
[20:05] <aboSamoor> xtknight: this is my new xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/131254/, what is next ?/
[20:05] <xtknight> aboSamoor, ok that's good
[20:05] <xtknight> aboSamoor, simply do a 'logout' not a restart
[20:05] <xtknight> aboSamoor, sorry.  actually, do a restart
[20:05] <xtknight> hehe
[20:06] <xtknight> i forgot this was a memory leak problem.
[20:06] <xtknight> but you'll want to restart to get rid of the bad process
[20:06] <aboSamoor> xtknight: restarting ....
[20:06] <xtknight> k
[20:12] <td123> where can I find a summary of new features in ubuntu 9.04?
[20:13] <xtknight> td123, in alpha6, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha6
[20:14] <xtknight> maybe not all of them there though?
[20:14] <bond> hello
[20:14] <Beardbar> anyone running jaunty kubuntu having a problem with backspace, holding it down seems to restart kdm
[20:14] <bond> help please: is user A, there is a user B. When I switched from the A => B then everything is OK, but when I want to make B => A then A is not the user loads
[20:15] <BUGabundo> Beardbar: really ??? lovely.. love the irony
[20:15] <xtknight> aboSamoor, and how is it now?
[20:15] <BUGabundo> bond: compiz, metacity or kwin?
[20:15] <bond> compiz :)
[20:17] <bond> Try to offer disabled compiz?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> sure
[20:18] <BUGabundo> but I always had trouble using Guess Session WITHOUT compiz
[20:19] <aboSamoor> xtknight: not sure, though. I am learning how to use latencytop [A, C] switch between the different processes. There is a process called collector is running. Firefox 3.1 has the largest latency
[20:19] <bond> one sec...
[20:19] <BUGabundo> can some one using OOo 3.x test something for me
[20:19] <BUGabundo> need to see if it is local, memory leak or bug
[20:19] <BUGabundo> with a MSFT pps
[20:20] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/Nasa.pps
[20:20] <xtknight> BUGabundo, yeah that's a leaky one
[20:21] <xtknight> openoffice memory just started exploding so i killed it.  didnt want to ruin my session
[20:22] <aboSamoor> xtknight: I can not see the page fault as the main cause for latency !
[20:22] <xtknight> aboSamoor, hmm but do you get weird mouse movement
[20:22] <BUGabundo> hhhehe
[20:22] <BUGabundo> thanks xtknight
[20:23] <xtknight> yea it used 2g then i killed it
[20:23] <BUGabundo> what should we do on this cases?
[20:23] <BUGabundo> upstream it?
[20:23] <xtknight> file a bug in ubuntu first
[20:23] <BUGabundo> its and MSFT file.. sooooo
[20:23] <aboSamoor> xtknight: no more mouse jerky movements :)
[20:23] <xtknight> imo...we still need someway to track it in ubuntu.  and if it's upstream we just label 'not in ubuntu'
[20:23] <xtknight> aboSamoor, cool.  well i just took a guess that it was the video driver
[20:23] <xtknight> dont get too excited....you might have to use vesa, and...that might not be the problem hehe
[20:24] <aboSamoor> xtknight: I am trying to repeat these jerky movements, without sucess
[20:24] <bond> BUGabundo whithout compiz all work...
[20:24] <bond> BUGabundo you are right
[20:24] <BUGabundo> bond: file a bug against compiz then
[20:25] <xtknight> aboSamoor, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=965+graphics+memory+leak+linux&btnG=Search
[20:26] <bond> bb! :)
[20:26] <xtknight> aboSamoor,  and ur sure it's not just cuz u rebooted... i assume u tried that before hehe
[20:28] <aboSamoor> xtknight: I have the problem for more than a month
[20:28] <xtknight> ohh
[20:28] <xtknight> wow
[20:28] <BUGabundo> xtknight: should I reopen https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/173192 ?
[20:28] <xtknight> compiz may have triggered it..but it would still be a bug in the intel graphics driver.. at least i would think so
[20:28] <BUGabundo> or file a new one?
[20:29] <aboSamoor> xtknight: the problem I don't know if it is a real problem or not, and even If I know it is a problem I don't know how to find useful information against
[20:29] <xtknight> BUGabundo, whose bug is that
[20:29] <BUGabundo> dunno
[20:29] <xtknight> open a new one unless you know it's related
[20:29] <BUGabundo> its there similar thing
[20:29] <BUGabundo> but says fixed upstream
[20:29] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:29] <xtknight> they can mark as dup if they need to
[20:29] <BUGabundo> new it is
[20:29] <xtknight> but it's probably not a dup
[20:30] <xtknight> aboSamoor, but had you tried disabling compiz while using the i915 driver anyways
[20:31] <danbhfive> that OO.org memory leak works on intrepid also  : )
[20:32] <xtknight> with OO.org 2.4?
[20:32] <danbhfive> yes
[20:32] <BUGabundo> "The tag "amd64" hasn't yet been used by openoffice.org (Ubuntu) before. Is this a new tag? " WTH
[20:32] <xtknight> danbhfive, i would reply to BUGabundo's bug and 'confirm' it
[20:32] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/342924
[20:32] <xtknight> and mention happens in 2.4
[20:33] <danbhfive> I just locked up my system  :(  which is weird,  the last time I did a memory leak thing, my system just killed the process once it consumed all the memory.  Maybe its because I have no swap now?  I will confirm the report
[20:34] <BUGabundo> upstreaming it now
[20:34] <aboSamoor> xtknight: actually I was working to enable compiz. This me Bug 141621 was affecting
[20:34] <BUGabundo> danbhfive: please run $ apt-cache policy openoffice.org
[20:34] <xtknight> aboSamoor, i thought you already had compiz enabled when this was happening.  so, you didn't have it enabled?
[20:34] <BUGabundo> and paste that
[20:35] <aboSamoor> xtknight: no, I succeeded to solve the problem, and when I was complaining about the mouse movements compiz was working
[20:35] <xtknight> aboSamoor, hmmm
[20:35]  * BUGabundo stupid qa OOo... doesn't allow me to upgrade to a securer password
[20:39] <danbhfive> hmm, I messed up the apt-cache policy thing.  I don't have OOo installed, just a few of the components
[20:40] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:44] <xtknight> aboSamoor, oh i see.  well you should try to disable compiz and use the intel driver and see if the problem still happens.  you know what i mean?
[20:44] <xtknight> i dont know if it's compiz or the intel driver
[20:45] <aboSamoor> xtknight: I understand you, is there any tool that can figure if there is a memory leak or not ?
[20:45] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor:  valgrind
[20:46] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valgrind
[20:46] <xtknight> valgrind wont work on drivers or libraries specifically though
[20:47] <xtknight> i think running compiz under valgrind would slow so much down anyway but u could give it a shot
[20:47] <xtknight> if it says like a gig leaked it might give u a clue hehe
[20:48] <humbolt1> I heard the Ubuntu Live CD supports network install (ergo booting up a host with the CD and then booting some other client via network and installing from that cd via network), is that true?
[20:48] <danbhfive> BUGabundo: did you file it upstream?  Im not seeing it on launchpad
[20:49] <BUGabundo> did it so right now
[20:49] <BUGabundo> refresh it
[20:49] <danbhfive> ok, cool
[20:50] <BUGabundo> humbolt1: I only did it using a special netboot iso
[20:50] <BUGabundo> never with LiveCD
[20:50] <BUGabundo> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
[20:50] <humbolt1> BUGabundo: That is not the alternate iso either, is it?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> nope
[20:50] <BUGabundo> its a 8MiBs iso
[20:52] <BUGabundo> up until hardy there was this lovely image that would boot a LiveDesktop from HTTP servers
[20:52] <BUGabundo> took 200MiBs to reach it
[20:52] <BUGabundo> quite nice
[20:52] <aboSamoor> xtknight: how can I restore the settings of xorg, I mean how can I enable the intel driver ?
[20:52] <BUGabundo> can't find the link on my bookmarks
[20:52] <BUGabundo> but stop workign on ibex :((
[20:53] <BUGabundo> 6 mins battery
[20:53] <BUGabundo> need to find a power plug
[20:53] <xtknight> aboSamoor, remove "driver "vesa"" from the config file
[20:53] <xtknight> and logout
[20:55] <BUGabundo> xtknight: I know your nick from somewhere else
[20:55] <BUGabundo> but can't put my finger on it!!!
[20:55] <BUGabundo> where might that be?
[20:55] <xtknight> hmm
[20:55] <xtknight> quake?
[20:55] <xtknight> anandtech,wolfenstein
[20:56] <xtknight> nvnews,linuxquestions, could be anywhere lol
[20:56] <BUGabundo> none of those
[20:56] <xtknight> then probably launchapd
[20:56] <BUGabundo> its Ubuntu related
[20:57] <xtknight> ive been in -motu channel a couple times but im not a motu
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I don't usually hand there much either
[20:57] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[20:58] <xtknight> i'm afraid my shortlived memory will not be of any assistance
[21:03] <xtknight> BUGabundo, uhh ubuntu-devel mailing list could it be
[21:03] <xtknight> doubt it.. i never post to it much
[21:04] <xtknight> i think it's just this channel.  i've seen you here before
[21:07] <BUGabundo> I'm here all the time
[21:07] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:07] <BUGabundo> never mind
[21:08] <BUGabundo> combined our lousy memories are as good as a rcok
[21:08] <BUGabundo> *rock
[21:08] <BUGabundo> falling from an airplane
[21:08] <dotblank> how do I change the settings for notify osd
[21:08] <crdlb> dotblank: what settings? :)
[21:08] <dotblank> whenever my mouse is above it, it disapeers
[21:08] <BUGabundo> dotblank: change?? ubuntu doesn't allow us to change anything
[21:08] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[21:09] <BUGabundo> dotblank: it "fades"
[21:09] <BUGabundo> its a techical term from the Design Team
[21:09] <dotblank> BUGabundo: not for m, it just flickered
[21:09] <BUGabundo> here it fades
[21:10] <dotblank> how can I simulate an event?
[21:10] <BUGabundo> AFAIK there is no where to fine tune Indicators / notifications
[21:10] <BUGabundo> I wish there were
[21:10] <BUGabundo> change your Volume
[21:11] <crdlb> well, it just does a hard fade with non-compositing metacity, doesn't it?
[21:12] <crdlb> err, I guess I mean 'no fade'
[21:13] <humbolt1> I managed to put intrepid-alternate installer on an USB pendrive. Now the damn installer wants to load a cdrom driver.
[21:13] <dotblank> I think its cool how you can see a screenshot of the app you want
[21:13] <humbolt1> Any idea, how I can convince the thing, that it does not need one?
[21:16] <dotblank> Is there a list of changes?
[21:22] <dotblank> Whoa.... 9.04 gets to gdm in 10 secs
[21:22] <aboSamoor> xtknight: without changing anything I gave 50% CPU usage[I have core 2] and big latency in pidgin, firefox when I play any flash video inside firefox, is it normal ?
[21:31] <dotblank> Anyone notice Vbox's additions don't work in 9.04
[21:51] <pitwalker> hi all, i have a Mar 14 22:31:26 savaria99 kernel: [35741.268876] gtk-window-deco[8716]: segfault at aaaaaaaa ip b75c2ae8 sp bf803fa0 error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.1910.0[b7598000+3e000]
[21:52] <pitwalker> i have no more titlebars in windows
[21:59] <pitwalker> ok, I'm started gtk-window-decorator and i have titlebars
[22:32] <acemoo> When i choose Try Kubuntu without any change to your computer, i see the blue loading bar and after that, screen goes black. Any idea on how i can figure out what might cause this and or how to fix it?
[22:35] <bazhang> acemoo, did you check the md5 as well as disk integrity after burning iso to cd?
[22:35] <acemoo> bazhang: yep
[22:35] <BUGabundo> acemoo: is it a daily image?
[22:35] <bazhang> acemoo, also is this a driver issue?
[22:36] <acemoo> BUGabundo: its alpha 6
[22:36] <acemoo> bazhang: i have no idea, how can i check that?
[22:36] <bazhang> oh you have had it since alpha 4 w/o problems then?
[22:37] <acemoo> no, i had the same problem with alpha 4 and 5 but i didn't had enough time to check it out
[22:37] <acemoo> atm i have 3 hours of spare time so was hoping to finally get rid of windows 7 and get jaunty running :)
[22:39] <BUGabundo> acemoo: try alternate CD
[22:40] <acemoo> woot
[22:40] <LeNsTR|Tea> hi all
[22:40] <acemoo> the cd suddenly starts spinning like mad
[22:40] <LeNsTR|Tea> good night
[22:41] <BUGabundo> acemoo: sounds like a bad media
[22:41] <acemoo> and it stopped spinning and still no screen.. darn lol
[22:44] <acemoo> ok enough waited
[22:44] <acemoo> time to try the alternate CD
[22:55] <nemo> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460666 - I'm running into this in ibex - could someone tell me the pulseaudio version in jaunty?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy pulseaudio  Installed: 0.9.14-0ubuntu11
[22:57] <BUGabundo> nemo: ^^^^^^^^
[22:58] <BUGabundo> you can check package.ubuntu.com
[22:58] <BUGabundo>  !info pulseaudio
[23:00] <nemo> thanks
[23:00] <nemo> hm. maybe I should try jaunty on my main system
[23:00] <nemo> if only qt 4.5 wasn't so unreliable
[23:01] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[23:06] <acemoo> BUGabundo: the alternative cd just starts installing and it might give the same trouble after the installation?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> dunno
[23:07] <BUGabundo> wanna try acemoo?
[23:07] <acemoo> BUGabundo: ofcourse
[23:08] <acemoo> BUGabundo: just hope i'll be able to find my windows 7 cd if it gives the same trouble lol
[23:08] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[23:08] <BUGabundo> wait
[23:08] <BUGabundo> before going
[23:09] <BUGabundo> can you jump to a TTY
[23:09] <BUGabundo> and read the logs?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> maybe that  can help debug
[23:09] <acemoo> OHH
[23:09] <acemoo> GREAT
[23:09] <acemoo> u tell me that after i removed my windows partition
[23:09] <BUGabundo> ahaahahahahahah
[23:09] <BUGabundo> no need for windows
[23:09] <BUGabundo> we need the LiveCD logs
[23:20] <acemoo> BUGabundo: ut oh...
[23:21] <acemoo> BUGabundo: black screen after the blue loading bar again :D
[23:21] <BUGabundo> TTY
[23:21] <BUGabundo> and nano  /var/log/*
[23:22] <acemoo> ctrl-alt-f<random number> doesn't works..
[23:22] <melik> damn.. my mouse is still frozen
[23:22] <melik> i tried sudo killall -9 X and sudo killall -9 Xorg
[23:22] <BUGabundo> melik: virtual box ?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> there are some known bugs with virtual machines
[23:23] <melik> no
[23:23] <BUGabundo> acemoo: can't help you
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I'm not understanding
[23:23] <melik> its an actual install
[23:23] <acemoo> BUGabundo: ctrl-alt-f1 would switch to TTY1 right?
[23:24] <melik> yeah acemoo
[23:24] <BUGabundo> on some cards no
[23:24] <BUGabundo> the driver mess it up
[23:24] <BUGabundo> try alt+sysrq+k
[23:25] <acemoo> when i rebooted i could get in TTY2.. but at a certain point it just goes back to the black screenie
[23:28] <acemoo> seems X server dies during startup..
[23:29] <BUGabundo> way above my knowlage
[23:29] <melik> nvm BUGabundo
[23:29] <BUGabundo> cwillu: are you around?
[23:29] <melik> there was something physically wrong wit hthe mouse
[23:29] <acemoo> BUGabundo: i'll blame you for making me remove my windows partition :P
[23:29] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[23:30] <BUGabundo> I just made you a favor
[23:30] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:30] <melik> BUGabundo: u know when i press ctrl + alt +f1
[23:30] <melik> it opens a different tty thing
[23:30] <melik> how can i stop that
[23:30] <melik> shell
[23:31] <BUGabundo> different?????
[23:31] <BUGabundo> from what?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> and F2?
[23:31] <melik> ummmm hold on let me try to rephrase
[23:32] <melik> i have a shell open for tty1, tty2, tty4
[23:32] <melik> how can i close the shells for tty1 and tty4
[23:32] <acemoo> can u even close them?
[23:32] <melik> not sure, thats why im asking :P
[23:33] <BUGabundo> ctrl+d
[23:33] <BUGabundo> will log them out
[23:33] <BUGabundo> to REALLY remove them
[23:33] <BUGabundo> you have to dpkg-reconfigure something
[23:33] <BUGabundo> and set only the amount that you want
[23:33] <melik> yeah ctrl + d is what i needed
[23:33] <BUGabundo> its set to 6 by default
[23:34] <acemoo> ok lets try updating our 98 packages... :D
[23:35] <acemoo> i really doubt it will help but atleast i'll be up to date!
[23:39] <acemoo> yay now am creashing with up to date packages :)
[23:40] <pitwalker> you make restartt after upgrade?
[23:40] <acemoo> yep
[23:40] <pitwalker> what can i do to reproduce?
[23:42]  * bruce89 tries to ignore the obvious
[23:42] <acemoo> what i do is just burn the alpha 4 or 5 or 6 cd and try to boot, after the blue loading bar is done, it tries to start X and nothing happens further
[23:43] <pitwalker> acemoo: you use kubuntu live CD?
[23:44] <acemoo> i did.. but BUGabundo adviced me to try the alternative cd so i used the alternative cd and installed kubuntu and the same problem happens :)
[23:45] <BUGabundo> acemoo: during the boot option, press F6
[23:45] <pitwalker> acemoo: sudo apt-get install slim openbox
[23:45] <BUGabundo> and remove the last options
[23:45] <BUGabundo> splach and quiet
[23:46] <acemoo> pitwalker: am guessing i should pick Default display manager slim?
[23:47] <pitwalker> you can change back via: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[23:47] <acemoo> pitwalker: alright
[23:47] <acemoo> rebooting
[23:47] <pitwalker> /usr/sbin/kdm
[23:48] <pitwalker> /usr/bin/kdm  /usr/sbin/gdm
[23:48] <zaapiel> whats up
[23:48] <zaapiel> what do i need to do to make my x11 server use nvidia?
[23:49] <zaapiel> my xorg.conf is blank
[23:49] <acemoo> pitwalker: same happens.. blue loading bar comes, goes away after its done and nothing on the screen anymore
[23:49] <pitwalker> the blue loading bar is usplash with kde theme
[23:49] <pitwalker> we must disable it
[23:50] <pitwalker> ~/.xsession-errors /var/log/messages /var/log/dmesg
[23:52] <BUGabundo> zaapiel: since x 1.5 no need for xorg.cong
[23:52] <zaapiel> ok
[23:52] <zaapiel> how does one config xorg now?
[23:52] <pitwalker> BUGabundo: how can we forde VESA?
[23:52] <pitwalker> force
[23:52] <zaapiel> it isnt using the nvidia driver
[23:52] <zaapiel> how do i make it use it?
[23:53] <acemoo> pitwalker: xsession-errors doesn't excists and the other 2 don't seem to have any obvious errors
[23:54] <pitwalker> you find line to slim gdm kdm started?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> pitwalker: don't know
[23:56] <zaapiel> what nvidia driver you guys use?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> zaapiel: 180.37-0ubuntu1
[23:57] <pitwalker> if you cannot login to graphical environment you cannot run the restricted drivers manager
[23:58] <acemoo> pitwalker: nope, let me see if i can upload them to my ftp so u can see the files
[23:58] <BUGabundo> acemoo: install pastebinit
[23:58] <BUGabundo> and pastebin the logs
[23:58] <BUGabundo> much easier
[23:58] <BUGabundo> then ftp
[23:59] <acemoo> BUGabundo: sweet
[23:59] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit -I /path/to/file.log
[23:59] <BUGabundo> bah
[23:59] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit -i /path/to/file.log