[01:19] <calc> grr, it seems the archive is staying in an inconsistent state
[01:19] <calc> translate-toolkit was broken earlier today now openjdk-6-jdk can't install
[01:27] <brettalton> I'm looking to subscribe to changes to individual packages, such as rhythmbox, pidgin, human-icon-theme, etc. I'm wondering if that
[01:27] <brettalton> 's possible? I don't want bug reports, but rather source updates
[01:28] <brettalton> e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox... but subscribe to the changes
[01:29] <brettalton> sorry: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox
[02:17] <Hobbsee> afternoon all
[02:17] <Hobbsee> soren: please do.  that always annoys me too.
[02:17] <nhandler> Hey Hobbsee
[02:21] <Hobbsee> oh, you did.  thanks :)
[02:21]  * Hobbsee waves to nhandler :)
[05:29] <ebroder> Hmm...if I want to get the fix for bug 340993 backported to Hardy, should I wait until the SRU process for bug 339815 is completed, or should I try to change it now?
[05:29] <ebroder> (I realize that these are both my bugs and I should have thought this through harder)
[05:30] <ebroder> (Well, sort of my bugs)
[10:25] <virtuelv> could someone with knowledge about gvfs please look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/330383
[10:25] <virtuelv> it's reducing functionality of lots of devices, and completely breaking it for people who have different preferences than Rhythmbox
[10:37] <mdke> could someone who understands a bit more about package dependencies than me take a look at the last comment on bug 281277?
[10:58] <cjwatson> mdke: followed up to the bug
[10:59] <mdke> cjwatson: many thanks - I'll try adding the -proposed repository and installing the package from there to be double sure
[11:03] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, I thought that if a relationship field has a version number attached then only real packages will be considered to see whether the relationship is satisfied.
[11:03] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: correct; however, in this case, the relationship field is unversioned
[11:04] <ion_> keybuk: Judging from the screenshot at http://code.google.com/p/pybootchartgui/ pybootchartgui should display CPU and IO usage in the process bars. Here it doesn’t seem to do that. Any ideas why?
[11:04] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, ugh, sorry. I had misread the output. :)
[11:09] <mdke> cjwatson: seems to work, the upgrade tool and apt-get upgrade don't want to remove rarian-compat or install scrollkeeper so I guess it must be a problem with gdebi only
[11:09] <mdke> cjwatson: thanks for looking into it
[11:10] <jsgotangco> scrollkeeper! now that's a package i haven't heard for quite a while :)
[11:10] <mdke> :)
[11:10] <mdke> hi there jsgotangco
[11:11] <jsgotangco> hello mdke
[13:06] <rlameiro> hello
[13:06] <rlameiro> anyone can help me here wit init scripts?
[13:07] <rlameiro> I made a script to run in rc6.d
[13:07] <rlameiro> to mount a samba share with cifs
[13:07] <rlameiro> made the update-rc.d
[13:07] <rlameiro> and the links apear at the places I want
[13:08] <rlameiro> but the share does not apear
[13:08] <rlameiro> if I run the script after reb oot by hand it works
[13:09] <rlameiro> sorry, not the best place...
[13:12] <directhex> mount? on rc6?
[13:12] <rlameiro> no
[13:12] <rlameiro> rc5.d
[13:12] <rlameiro> sorry
[13:12] <rlameiro> I misspelled it
[13:12] <rlameiro> that is for rebbot preparation
[13:12] <rlameiro> lol
[13:12] <directhex> 5? on debbuntu?
[13:13] <rlameiro> I want the share to be mounted after the network is up
[13:13] <rlameiro> If I put it in fstab
[13:13] <rlameiro> it will wait for network
[13:13] <rlameiro> then fails and goes on with bot
[13:14] <rlameiro> 8boot
[13:14] <rlameiro> and the share gets mounted
[13:14] <rlameiro> but i wanted to be mounted without waiting 2 minutes and fails
[13:14] <rlameiro> is for  my htpc mythbuntu
[13:16] <rlameiro> any thoughts?
[13:17] <rlameiro> I used the update-rc.d
[13:17] <rlameiro> and  the sym links appear in place
[13:17] <directhex> you're using network-manager, or just static /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:17] <rlameiro> netmanager
[13:17] <rlameiro> network-manager
[13:19] <rlameiro> well
[13:19] <directhex> your approach is wrong, then.
[13:19] <rlameiro> I ssh now
[13:19] <directhex> firstly, debina/ubuntu don't use rc5
[13:19] <rlameiro> and the link dont appears
[13:19] <rlameiro> ...
[13:19] <directhex> secondly, you can't guarantee your interface will be up in ANY runlevel with network-manager
[13:19] <rlameiro> man
[13:19] <rlameiro> ok
[13:20] <directhex> take a peek in /etc/network/if-up.d/
[13:20] <rlameiro> rc4.d?
[13:20] <directhex> especially /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs
[13:20] <rlameiro> ok
[13:20] <directhex> debian/ubuntu use runlevel 2 for multi-user system.
[13:21] <rlameiro> thankyou
[13:21] <rlameiro> I read the runlevels in debian structure
[13:21] <rlameiro> and they talked about rc5
[13:21] <directhex> but i told you, it won't help if you can't be certain that the network will be up
[13:21] <rlameiro> ok
[13:22] <rlameiro> i will ssh pico the /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs
[13:24] <rlameiro> directhex: can I just drop there at the end of the script the mouont line?
[13:25] <rlameiro> I dont know sh scripting...
[13:28] <rlameiro> well
[13:28] <rlameiro> going for reboot now
[13:28] <rlameiro> see if it works
[13:30] <rlameiro> well
[13:30] <rlameiro> didnt worked
[13:41] <rlameiro> well I am without ideas for this
[13:41] <slytherin> what is significance of device /dev/sr0?
[13:42] <rlameiro> cdrom? maybe?
[13:45] <cjwatson> yes
[13:46] <slytherin> rlameiro: what happens if the device node is not present? I am getting permission denied error in totem while trying to play DVD. Could it be related?
[13:46] <rlameiro> ...
[13:46] <rlameiro> do you have the css codec?
[13:47] <slytherin> yes, I have libdvdcss installed. xine plays the dvd fine. But anything that uses libdvdread is causing problem. totem (gstreamer), mplayer, vlc etc
[13:47] <cjwatson> permission denied is likely to be a device-level error not anything to do with codecs
[13:47] <cjwatson> check whether you can actually read from the device
[13:48] <slytherin> cjwatson: xine plays the dvd fine.
[13:48] <slytherin> gxine I mean
[13:48] <cjwatson> find out what device those applications are using; check dmesg and such to find out whether that actually corresponds to the device you're using; further questions on this to #ubuntu unless you discover a bug in which case file it ...
[13:49] <slytherin> I had discussion with Keybuk yesterday but I could not reach any conclusion.
[13:50] <slytherin> and I remembered a bug I had filed regarding wrong permission with IDE DVD/CDROM which was fixed by him. So I was wondering if this is similar bug.
[13:50] <rlameiro> slytherin, I have a problem to mount a cifs share at startup
[13:51] <rlameiro> I think that ubuntu could have some kind of start script/conf file to add shares to be mounted after the network manager is up
[13:52] <rlameiro> do you now anything about that?
[13:52] <rlameiro> or cjwatson,?
[13:54] <slytherin> rlameiro: nope
[13:56] <cjwatson> rlameiro: no, and please ask support questions in #ubuntu; I realise that it's noisier there, but consider what it would be like here if everyone asked for user help here rather than in #ubuntu :-)
[13:58] <rlameiro> this is not help
[13:58] <rlameiro> it is more a feature request
[13:59] <rlameiro> like to make a simple script
[13:59] <rlameiro> where to put it etc
[13:59] <rlameiro> I could make a python script after that to help people to make this
[13:59] <rlameiro> like that they will not have the same problems that i have
[14:01] <cjwatson> feature requests => bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[14:01] <cjwatson> we can't effectively track them on IRC
[14:01] <cjwatson> and the people who would be best to deal with any given feature request are not around on IRC 24/7, so putting it somewhere where they can see it asynchronously is actually better for you
[14:02] <rlameiro> ok
[14:02] <cjwatson> or answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu if you're asking a question ("is this possible?") rather than filing a bug ("please make this possible")
[14:02] <rlameiro> ok
[14:02] <rlameiro> thanks
[14:02] <rlameiro> no prob
[14:02] <rlameiro> I will try someanoe answer me in #ubuntu
[14:51] <RainCT_> argh.. nvidia glx180 is conflicting with itself since the last update in jaunty (that is, the normal package conflicts with -dev)
[14:51] <slytherin> RainCT_: is normal package and -dev at same version?
[14:52] <RainCT_> slytherin: yes
[14:53] <RainCT_> to clarify, it's not that there is a Conflicts, but that it tries to override a file and dpkg doesn't like that
[14:53] <slytherin> oh, that is problem then.
[14:54]  * RainCT_ should read more carefully.. actually, it's dpkg-divert not wanting to divert :S
[14:56] <RainCT_> it says something like:  name change means overwriting "/usr/lib/libGL.so" with "/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa", not allowed
[14:57] <BUGabundo> apw: ogasawara ping
[14:57] <BUGabundo> wifi device is not working after suspend to memory on jaunty latest kernel
[14:57] <BUGabundo> known or file new bug?
[14:58] <RainCT_> weird
[14:59] <RainCT_> I've uninstalled the -dev package, installed it again and this time it worked
[15:03] <RainCT> alright, nvidia and compiz are working fine again
[15:07] <BUGabundo> bug 342804
[15:07] <BUGabundo> RainCT: really?
[15:07] <BUGabundo> I have to reload my desktop everytime I reboot!
[15:07] <RainCT> BUGabundo: reload?
[15:15] <BUGabundo> RainCT:  $ compiz --reload or fusion icon reload
[15:17] <RainCT> BUGabundo: Ah. Here the problem I have is that if I switch to metacity I can't get Compiz back without restarting X
[15:17] <BUGabundo> hum
[15:17] <BUGabundo> don't know
[15:17] <BUGabundo> mine wsa not working last week
[15:17] <BUGabundo> but now I can just boot to compiz no problmo
[15:17] <BUGabundo> let me change to metacity and back to see if it works!
[15:17] <BUGabundo> do you have a prefered way for me to do it?
[15:18] <BUGabundo> or can I just use Fusion Icon
[15:18] <BUGabundo> ?
[15:19] <RainCT> BUGabundo: fusion icon is fine
[15:19] <RainCT> (is fine == you can use it. it fails the same as runing from Alt+F2)
[15:20] <BUGabundo> ok Compiz>metacity worked
[15:20] <BUGabundo> gonna try vs
[15:20]  * BUGabundo prepares a terminal timeout with compiz --replace
[15:21] <BUGabundo> almost worked
[15:21] <BUGabundo> WM bars gone! needed to reload too
[15:22] <BUGabundo> but I'm on compiz again!
[15:22] <BUGabundo> NVidia 8400
[15:22] <calc> i got a very strange failure to upload message on powerpc for OOo
[15:22] <calc> it says this:
[15:22] <BUGabundo> RainCT:  nvidia-glx-180:  Installed: 180.37-0ubuntu1
[15:22] <calc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/131108/
[15:22] <DreadKnight> hello, can't manage to install flash 10 for 64 bit ubuntu
[15:24]  * RainCT has got a GeForce 9600M GT
[15:24] <BUGabundo> DreadKnight: go to #ubuntu-mozillateam and ask fta or asac there
[15:24] <calc> who should i ping about an issue like that?
[15:24] <DreadKnight> BUGabundo, thanks, will do
[18:06] <pARAd0X> hi
[18:06] <pARAd0X> I want to know the complete list of features set in the Jakalope
[18:06] <pARAd0X> is there any link, google haven't helped me much
[18:06] <pARAd0X> ?
[18:08] <pARAd0X> :'(
[18:13] <pARAd0X> ho ho !
[18:14] <pARAd0X> toc toc toc ! Is there anybody here ?
[18:18] <LaserJock> pARAd0X: what do you mean by "feature set"?
[18:21] <LaserJock> you might look at the 9.04 blueprints on Launchpad but that doesn't specifically tell you what all will be included
[18:22] <JanC> there are also the release notes for the alpha releases
[18:22] <JanC> and several other sources
[18:22] <JanC> the "complete feature set" would be more than 10000 pages long I suppose  :-)
[18:23] <pARAd0X> I need only one source, about what will be the Jakalope, I mean, news about DeviceKit, iBUS, DBus, XServer 1.6 or 1.7 ...
[18:23] <pARAd0X> like what we found in the fedora site
[18:26] <cjwatson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[18:26] <cjwatson> obviously it needs to be fleshed out further, but that is the place
[18:26] <cjwatson> (until such time as the marketing people start putting together presentations and such for www.ubuntu.com anyway)
[18:35] <hyperair> that page misses out on the intel driver performance regressions
[18:35] <cjwatson> yes
[18:36] <cjwatson> it's a wiki
[18:36] <cjwatson> it suffers from the fact that only the release team have made serious additions to it so far this cycle, rather than people who are specifically focused on documentation
[18:37] <hyperair> heh right
[18:37] <hyperair> maybe i should add that
[18:44] <jdong> stupid question; can someone link/explain what were the "outstanding issues" with encrypted home dirs?
[18:46] <IntuitiveNipple> jdong: I did see a report about the key-file being in the encrypted volume - not sure if that is relevant :p
[18:48] <jdong> ROFL
[18:51] <IntuitiveNipple> I suspect bug #277578 and #317895 are blockers
[18:52] <cjwatson> jdong: installer doesn't force encrypted swap when you're using it
[18:53] <cjwatson> (and it's tricky to do so because the partitioner's already finished by the time we get round to asking that question, so it requires some more thought)
[18:53] <jdong> ah, I see
[18:53] <jdong> that make sense
[18:54] <cjwatson> that's the specific reason that led the security team to ask us to disable it; there may be other problems of course
[18:54] <jdong> yeah, that's entirely legitimate
[19:43] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks for fixing up qt4-x11 on powerpc.
[20:37] <picklesworth> Hm... you folks may like this patch more than upstream will, since Jaunty's notification stuff is less obtrusive: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=567880
[20:38] <picklesworth> personally, I think it's awesome... although I am a little biased :P
[20:45] <sistpoty> mdz, cjwatson, Keybuk: mind moderating my mail to u-d-a? (btw.: still a mystery who can moderate posts there, last time I failed pitti wrote me that I should've informed him earlier, but he's not mentioned in "list-run by ..." details, maybe other moerators aren't eitther?)
[21:01] <ebroder> Hmm...I'm testing a build of the pyrex package in my jaunty chroot, and it's FTBFSing because it's installing the module into /usr/local. Anyone seen this?
[21:07] <ebroder> Is there any special Python configuration in the buildd chroots that I might be missing?
[21:20] <ebroder> Hmm...actually, I think this might have been broken by one of the recent python-central uploads
[21:23]  * sistpoty goes to bed... gn8
[21:23] <maxb> ebroder: Sounds like the source hasn't been modified for the Python 2.6 transition
[21:24] <maxb> It is now required to pass --install-layout=deb to python setup.py
[21:24] <ebroder> maxb: The source shouldn't need to be modified - it keys on the output of pyversions
[21:24] <ebroder> Oh, really? Huh. Ok
[21:24] <wgrant> ebroder: distutils needs --install-layout=deb passed now.
[21:25] <ebroder> I eventually tracked that down, and I have a patch - bug #342936 and bug #342937
[21:25] <ebroder> Are there going to be any mechanisms to catch other packages like this before release?
[21:26] <wgrant> ebroder: I've almost finished an archive rebuild, and am currently triaging the failures.
[21:26] <wgrant> I have around 70 that appear to result from this same Python issue.
[21:26] <ebroder> wgrant: Awesome. Do you need help? I'd be glad to look at a few of those
[21:27] <wgrant> ebroder: I haven't got a list at the moment, but should tomorrow.
[22:51] <cjwatson> savvas: bug 316579: it's not your decision to make. copyright subsists by default; copyright holders need to disclaim interest for it to be public domain.
[22:57] <cjwatson> ScottK: glad it works now. Were there any give-backs to do further up the stack as a result of the breakage?
[23:07] <slangasek> cjwatson: well, under US law there's nothing copyrightable in that file because there's no originality
[23:07] <slangasek> but obviously there are other laws besides US law that may be relevant here, since only one of the named parties is even a US resident :)
[23:08] <cjwatson> slangasek: I didn't want to venture an opinion on whether there was originality or not
[23:09] <cjwatson> UK law is ... not as clear on the subject as it might be, I think. The CDPA has some language about "creative works" but there are some parts of it that seemed very unclear last time I looked
[23:20] <ScottK> cjwatson: I kicked off some retries (re qt4-x11). I haven't had a chance to see how they worked out.
[23:22] <stephenr82> hey guys, simple question. Im looking here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/linux/2.6.28-9.31. How am i to apply this diff patch?
[23:23] <stephenr82> if i gunzip the orig and get the diff file and do patch < difffile it can't find the files
[23:23] <mdke> hi there. I just did a debdiff for a simple change for yelp, and without me touching anything the list of uploaders has been changed: is that normal? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23868503/342972.debdiff
[23:23] <dtchen> stephenr82: you need to either provide the starting path explicitly and/or you need to use -p
[23:23] <wgrant> mdke: Yes, unfortunately.
[23:23] <wgrant> mdke: GNOME packages are magic.
[23:23] <wgrant> In a bad way.
[23:23] <mdke> wgrant: do I need to do anything about it, or can I submit the debdiff like that?
[23:24] <wgrant> mdke: You could always remove it, but it's reasonable to submit like that IMO.
[23:24] <mdke> ok :)
[23:34] <stephenr82> hi dtchen, the -p doesnt seem to work. I have done -p 17 and its still giving me:         can't find file to patch at input line 3 .... |--- linux-2.6.28.orig/Makefile
[23:34] <dtchen> stephenr82: let's step into #ubuntu, please