=== vorian is now known as MadMule [00:05] :0 [00:06] :/ [00:06] they've all gone mad or evil! [00:06] not me! [00:06] mwahaha [00:06] I've always been mad! [00:06] ohnoez === MadMule is now known as vorian [00:50] mikebrady is keithclark [00:51] Is that significant? [00:51] could be [00:51] Is KC banned? [00:52] he was giving some very odd info on how he ever got linux onto his computer, then claimed linux cannot be installed without cd-rom [00:52] first it was via pclinuxos, then ubuntu, then some 'link specific to internet' that he could no longer find [00:53] what the? === vorian is now known as evil[v] [00:53] lol === evil[v] is now known as evilv [00:53] grub error 15 [00:53] he didn't install it by using paperclips to flip the bits? [00:53] hehe [00:54] no floppy, computer is too old to use usb... [00:54] err boot from usb [00:54] 'how did you install?' 'internet' === EvilChild is now known as pricey === pricey is now known as Pricey [01:07] Geez. What's with people tonight? Trying to make it as hard as possible for me to help them. [01:08] seems that way here too [01:09] It's like pulling teeth. Ask them for a pastebin, they give you pieces of what you asked for. And then tell you they got a brand new error! but, of course, telling you what it is doesn't make sense. [01:27] Flannel: I've got a problem; can you help? [01:27] Seeker`: Um. I can try! [01:29] ah! I understand. [01:30] and now I hate you Seeker`. You're so hurtful. [01:30] Flannel: awwwwwwwwwwwww [01:31] hynix :( === evilv is now known as vorian [01:38] Flannel: you don't hate me really, do you? [01:38] Seeker`: Of course not. [01:38] :D [01:38] i do though [01:39] I loathe your very soul. [01:39] woo! someone doesn't hate me! [01:39] :'( [01:39] I dont [01:39] d'oh [01:39] I wanted to pile on too [01:39] hahah [01:40] Seeker`: We're united in our hatred of you [01:40] I dont [01:40] * Amaranth shoves bazhang in the closet [01:40] then we're also united in our hatred of you [01:40] yay, I'm hated [01:41] I haven't been hated since the Apple fanboys went nuts on me [01:41] Amaranth: You're made of apples and nuts? [01:42] Flannel: I'm sorry, apparently you don't speak English. Do we have a translator? [01:42] * Amaranth hides [02:13] is everyone feeling a bit less hate-ful now? [02:14] Seeker`: i hate to be hateful, but i still hate you :( [02:15] :'( [02:15] that makes me sad [02:15] Seeker`: strange. it makes me grap. [02:18] "grap"? [02:18] Seeker`: think about it carefully, without excluding any sort of extremely dry humor when examining possibilities [02:19] am too tired to think [02:19] or just /ignore [02:20] no hate from these quarters [02:21] bazhang: quarters past three? [02:22] my hatred goes on am and pm [02:22] this is the same grant-a who said he left ubuntu because it was akin to slavery and erm something else unpleasant [02:23] bazhang: i dunno, he was certainly the same grant-a who got banned sometime [02:24] LjL, yep, and was all 'let me quote the logs on that' [02:25] LjL, better cellphone than t he E71 in your opinion (if you have one) [02:25] a cellphone that is [02:26] bazhang: err i don't know... i've got an E50 but i'm not really big into cellphones, although i played with S60 a little software-side [02:26] LjL, okay thanks [02:26] know you have no end to opinions, just wanted to clarify :) [02:27] bazhang: well, all i can say is i'm not extremely fond of my E50... also, since they seem to say that the E50's battery lasts long, i dare not imagine the others. [02:28] not extremely fond=a lasting and durable hatred I am guessing [02:30] bazhang: no... just not extremely fond. it's fancy, it's funny, but my plain nokia 3510 with b/w screen made calls just fine and the battery lasted in excess of a week, and it didn't take 10 seconds to open up the SMS editing "application" or the phonebook [02:47] abusive! [02:48] blah [03:02] at least if i'm not an op i don't have to deal with silly people, I can just walk away [03:03] heh [03:03] I'm not operator in there either; never have been [03:03] I think I only have ops in -uk [03:03] and -scribes [03:04] you wish in #ubuntu ? [03:04] huh? [03:04] to have operator privileges? [03:05] not particularly bothered [03:05] aha [03:05] if someone wants to make me an op in #u I wont object [03:06] but i'm not going to pester anyone for it or anything [03:09] ssssh, he's back! [03:10] ohnoez [03:10] where, where? [03:11] not sure who one would pester exactly, it seems to be a very ad-hoc way of deciding those types of things [03:12] bazhang: would probably start with the irc council [03:12] Yeah. It's not ad-hoc [03:13] what things? [03:14] nickrud: who gets to be an op in #u [03:14] oh yeah, ad hoc'ing it for years [03:14] heh [03:15] i think it is deicded through a complex series of equations, tests and "eney-meeny-miny-moe" [03:16] although the last round, the only one I've seen there was some general discussion about who to ask iirc. No formal stuff that I saw anywhere [03:16] Have not all current ops been asked to be such? [03:17] no I stole a password [03:17] haha [03:17] Figures, nickrud ;) [03:17] tritium: I believe there is a discussion that happens on some level to decide suitable candidates, then they are asked if they want the position [03:18] can't see anything wrong with the choices made so far (and to you too, tritium :) [03:18] the uber-level [03:18] nickrud: :) [03:18] Seeker`: that may be [03:19] nickrud: you say that, but remember, bazhang is an op :O [03:20] and jrib :O [03:20] :( [03:20] some poor soul has to spend time in #kubuntu. Better him than me [03:20] haha [03:21] :o [03:21] Seeker`, hey, I just remembered, I was asked about bazhang and I recommended him >:| [03:21] nickrud: that was silly! [03:21] :/ [03:21] I mean...erm...great choice... [03:22] :) [03:22] well, they were looking for quantity of help over quality at the time, it was right about when I was chosen :) [03:23] if they ever look for time spent idling in channels, i'm well in! [03:24] wtf [03:24] I can't remove bans via ChanServ anymore [03:24] where? [03:24] haha [03:24] #ubuntu-offtopic [03:24] -ot [03:24] I got you [03:24] Amaranth: that'll teach you! [03:25] Amaranth: what error message do you get? [03:25] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. [03:25] :O [03:29] no idea what could cause that [03:30] Amaranth: you're only the first entry on the access list! Bizarre... [03:31] looks like no one except the council has permission to clear bans via chanserv [03:31] Amaranth: in any #ubuntu channel? [03:32] in #ubuntu-offtopic at least [03:32] #ubuntu has the same permissions though [03:32] Grant-A: how can we help you? [03:32] whoops [03:32] wrong channel [03:32] sorry [03:32] banforward? [03:32] @btlogin [03:33] Nope [03:33] Looks like he's banned here though? [03:33] Oh, those are marks. [03:34] There should be an "action" column in the bna tracker [03:35] Mark, Kick, Ban [03:35] just to make it a bit more obvious at half 3 in the morning [03:35] kicks are by name, bans generally arent. and marks have the entire host/ident/etc [03:36] yes, but it takes some looking at to work it out [03:36] Seeker`: If youre that groggy at 3am, you likely ought not to be doing op stuff ;) [03:37] i'm not that groggy at 3am [03:37] at 3:30am maybe :P [03:43] bedtime [03:43] night [03:43] Good night, Seeker`. [03:43] night [03:45] Flannel, it would make it quicker in general if there was a column with M, K, or B [03:49] elky++ [03:49] * Seeker` really gone [03:59] ikonia, um, i forgot about the whole '4g of ram' thing, and installed i386. d'oh! [04:01] He's beliggerent. [04:02] Mmm, and that's not spelt correctly. [04:02] elky: is there 64bit flashplugin-nonfree now? [04:02] tritium, i genuinely do not know [04:02] elky: there may not be [04:02] what a revolting name... [04:03] ok [04:03] I wish to report a rebuse [04:03] abuse* [04:03] tritium: for a few releases now installing flashplugin-nonfree will work fine on amd64 [04:03] JohnLesbergtion: ok [04:03] jrib: that's good to know. Java too? [04:03] ok [04:03] Flannel [04:03] tritium: no browser plugin from sun, but I think that's changing in jaunty [04:03] banned me for no reason [04:04] jrib: thanks [04:04] he banend me for away [04:04] but [04:04] that is no good reason [04:04] and that is considered op abuse [04:04] He is a bad op [04:04] JohnLesbergtion: #ubuntu is a very busy channel, so we ask that users not use public away messages like that. Do you understand? [04:04] so wha [04:05] it was only one fucking line [04:05] lol [04:05] JohnLesbergtion: also, please mind your language here [04:05] don't be children about it [04:05] !away [04:05] You should avoid noisy away messages in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away " to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» [04:05] THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PROFESSIONAL PLACE [04:05] No need for vulgarity, JohnLesbergtion. [04:05] NO A PLACE FOR PUSSYBAGS [04:05] :() [04:05] Exactly. Vulgarity is unprofessional. [04:05] yep [04:05] And uneducated. [04:05] and so is bannign for away [04:05] So stop using it. [04:05] I was there for support [04:05] you are not being very professional at all JohnLesbergtion. [04:05] but [04:06] your services are crap [04:06] so [04:06] those are the channel rules [04:06] I will choose to remove your system [04:06] the support there is PURELY voluntary. nobody gets paid a cent. [04:06] and also [04:06] flame you [04:06] !enter [04:06] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [04:06] on how BAD Ubuntu system support it [04:06] is* [04:06] JohnLesbergtion: as you wish [04:06] ok [04:06] JohnLesbergtion: anything else? [04:06] no [04:06] I am just pissed [04:06] bye [04:06] you banned me for a gay ass reason [04:06] I love your system [04:07] but your system staff suck at oping [04:07] JohnLesbergtion, now i am pissed because of you. may i now treat you the same as you have treated us? [04:07] fuck u [04:07] JohnLesbergtion: The channel policies are in place to make #ubuntu usable for everyone. You should respect those policies. [04:07] JohnLesbergtion, there are no staff. [04:07] I'd like ops in this channel to be able to remove people like that [04:07] heh [04:07] (seriously) [04:07] jrib, had it continued any longer, he would have been removed [04:08] Aye. [04:08] @mark JohnLesbergtion [04:08] The operation succeeded. [04:08] I'd like a pony [04:08] @btlogin [04:08] In #ubuntu, lfaraone said: !lxde is the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment | `sudo apt-get install lxde` to get started [04:08] jrib, the only reason i didn't do so as soon as you would have liked, is because he's now left us a sample of his personality [04:08] that's cool [04:08] the @mark, I mean [04:09] Amaranth, yah [04:09] @mark [04:09] (mark [] []) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if was kicked from with the comment , if is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, is only needed when send in /msg [04:09] Flannel, was that the belligerence you referenced? [04:09] Flannel, did you have him in PM? [04:09] He was like that in query for a bit too. Which is why I actually banned him (well, forwarded). Once the "You can't tell me how to run my IRC client" thing turned into a "I'm going to start flaming your system" and "finding exploits" etc, etc. [04:09] elky: I did. Like a paste? [04:09] The PM is what originally prompted the ban. [04:09] that was so over the top [04:09] Flannel, comment on the ban in the bt [04:09] Alright [04:10] You want me to just remove the forward and make it a proper ban? [04:10] yeah, and drop it altogether tomorrow [04:11] Wha? [04:11] erry too? [04:11] erry? [04:11] errietta [04:12] what about err* [04:12] ? [04:12] the one who threatened to sue freenode if they didnt fix her script? after being banned in #ubuntu and #apache ? [04:13] I don't see the motivation for removing JohnLesbergtion's ban tomorrow. [04:14] I'd just as soon leave it as a forward, so we can talk to him next time he comes back (hopefully a little calmer) [04:14] Then again, I suppose plenty of banned people find their way here anyway [04:14] @bansearch errietta [04:14] Match: errietta!n=errietta@88.218.195.111 by Pici in #ubuntu on Mar 09 2009 19:53:09 (ID: 10795) [04:14] Match: Errietta!n=errietta@88.218.195.111!#ubuntu-ops by Myrtti in #ubuntu on Mar 13 2009 14:43:38 (ID: 10913) [04:15] Match: *!n=errietta@88.218.195.111!#ubuntu-ops by Myrtti in #ubuntu on Mar 13 2009 15:43:32 (ID: 10915) [04:15] Is today the 13th? [04:15] Oh, so it is. [04:15] Friday, even. [04:15] 14th here [04:15] bazhang: Happy Pi day! [04:15] Flannel, thanks! [04:15] bazhang, i imagine that is a freenode issue now then [04:16] elky, they then removed her cloak [04:18] bazhang, then so long as her script is fixed, and she's not actually making threats, and it's been a day or two, then she can be let back in. it's easy enough to re-apply the ban, and it will then give you the argument to keep the ban on [04:18] elky, ok [04:19] bazhang, it's much easier to argue to keep someone out when they have reoffended, then if they haven't [04:19] you just have to give them enough rope [04:20] true [04:20] * Flannel wonders what happened to elky, and who has replaced her. [04:21] hehe [04:21] that password stealing nickrud I bet [04:21] Ah. Makes sense. [04:25] Flannel, nobody's replaced me, dear [04:25] elky: Did you get into a car accident? Do you remember where you live? [04:25] What hospital are you staying at? we can send flowers. [04:26] Flannel, you just have to give them enough rope [04:26] elky: Yeah, I know. You're still all for bannination. It's just not in your usual manner. [04:26] bannination, eh? [04:26] We got in an argument over a similar issue not too long ago. [04:26] Is that like bannage? [04:27] if you want to wait and talk to him first, fine. go for it. otherwise, just let him back in and watch him like a hawk [04:27] tritium: Yep. banninating the countryside, banninating the peasants. [04:27] Got it. [04:27] tritium: banninating all the peoples in the... thatched roof cottages! [04:28] Flannel, my point is that arguing with them for days over a first offense is what wears most of us down [04:31] nixternal: didn't like screen-profiles, eh? [04:31] nope, they get in the way of irssi and my userlist [04:32] * Flannel never understood the point of screen profiles. [04:33] well, they make it easier for new screen users I think [04:33] if you have to use a bunch of screens then I can understand it [04:33] Why would a new screen user have more than one screen? [04:34] There should just be a default hardstatus set to alwayslastline, and then we'll be done with it. [04:34] right [04:36] !dvd =~ s#http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html#https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/musicvideophotos/C/video.html# [04:36] Nothing changed there [04:36] :/ [04:37] !-dvd [04:37] dvd is codecs - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 22:19:35 - last edited by Hobbsee on 2008-10-18 05:06:37 [04:37] jrib: do it to codecs [04:38] !codecs =~ s#http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html#https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/musicvideophotos/C/video.html# [04:38] I'll remember that jrib [04:38] Flannel: thanks [04:38] Mmmm, perhaps bots should warn about that. [04:38] if regexping an alias [04:38] Nothing changed there (it is an alias) [04:38] they should just do the smart thing [04:41] and change the parent? yeah [04:59] Bed time. Good night, folks. [05:00] night [05:43] elky: poit [05:43] ? [05:51] holycow? [05:51] @bansearch holycow [05:51] Match: *!*@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net by ikonia in #kubuntu on Jan 16 2009 08:43:43 (ID: 9114) [05:51] Match: *!*@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net by jussi01 in #kubuntu-kde4 on Aug 21 2008 07:16:44 (ID: 3764) [05:52] even I know that nice [05:52] nick [05:52] should he not be on #u? [05:52] I think he got cleaned [05:52] he reformed iirc [05:53] Removed Feb 11... that'd be during the cleaning [05:53] Flannel: you have different results than I do [05:54] Myrtti: same host as above, i-k-o.... set and removed [05:55] set on Jan 16, removed Feb 11. alogn with another one for 11 days in Nov [05:55] ok [05:56] elky: pm? [06:39] hmmm [06:39] coffee? [06:47] * elky wonders what she needs for the fingerprint reader... [06:49] hardware. [06:50] A capacitive touch sensor, an IR (or some other light) source, and a receiver for said light source. (an array would be best) [06:50] and... that's about it! [06:51] the vostro has the hardware... [06:51] Ooooh [06:51] libpam-thinkfinger [06:51] for dells? [06:51] and then follow the instructions in the readme.debian [06:52] there's also another one [06:52] for a good chunk of the fingerprint readers, yes. [06:52] Its MFC based, not laptop brand [06:52] MFC? [06:52] Manufacturer [06:53] that is, the brand of the fingerprint reader (more specifically, the chipset), and not the laptop/etc [06:58] um, ok... now how do i use the thinkfinger thing? [06:58] read the README.Debian file, it tells you what to add in PAM [06:58] and tells you how to enroll, and then you're done! [06:58] or, maybe it doesn't tell you how to enroll. Let me know. [07:04] that file needs updating. it references tf-tools which should be thinkfinger-tools and the path to the enable script still has the redundant lib/libpam- instead of /lib/pam- [07:06] and tf-tool is not very userfriendly [07:08] tf-tool --aquire refuses to work [07:09] Maybe your fingerprint reader doesn't work with it. There's,... a list somewhere on the interblags [07:09] please find. i'm sure it'd be a trivial detection thingie [07:10] It'll be connected via usb, so youcan already poke around to see what lsusb gives you [07:10] elky: you using sudo? [07:10] it sees it fine [07:10] :( [07:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinkFinger [07:11] elky: what brand fingerprint reader is it? [07:11] um, didn think of that [07:11] Ah [07:12] sgs thompson microelectronics [07:12] Yep, that's the right kind. [07:12] Mmmm [07:12] Half of the time? [07:12] the 'error' is 'mode undefined' [07:12] USB ID 0483:2016 ? that one? [07:13] yah [07:13] Then the reader is good. Try --verbose too [07:15] can anyone tell me why intrepid is still broken? [07:16] Flannel, it only tells me that it's in verbose mode, then the same 'mode undefined' [07:16] Odd. No idea. [07:16] nalioth, define 'broken' [07:17] well, i just dist-upgraded from hardy to inteprid, and have no gui [07:17] gdm starts up twice without issue, but nothing happens [07:17] nalioth: multifail [07:18] Myrtti: i take it this hasn't been reported? [07:19] i just can't believe we're almost to jaunty release, and this still happens [07:19] this is why i don't upgrade when a release appears [07:20] but you'd think 5+ months would be long enough for the bugs to disappear [07:20] i dont know what video card you have, what you had installed, what you had removed, whether you're using proprietary drivers, or why you're sounding like the 'fix this now, slave' trolls in #ubuntu [07:20]