[00:05] <bazhang> :0
[00:06] <Seeker`> :/
[00:06] <bazhang> they've all gone mad or evil!
[00:06] <Seeker`> not me!
[00:06] <MadMule> mwahaha
[00:06] <Seeker`> I've always been mad!
[00:06] <bazhang> ohnoez
[00:50] <bazhang> mikebrady is keithclark
[00:51] <Flannel> Is that significant?
[00:51] <bazhang> could be
[00:51] <Flannel> Is KC banned?
[00:52] <bazhang> he was giving some very odd info on how he ever got linux onto his computer, then claimed linux cannot be installed without cd-rom
[00:52] <bazhang> first it was via pclinuxos, then ubuntu, then some 'link specific to internet' that he could no longer find
[00:53] <jdong> what the?
[00:53] <jdong> lol
[00:53] <bazhang> grub error 15
[00:53] <jdong> he didn't install it by using paperclips to flip the bits?
[00:53] <bazhang> hehe
[00:54] <bazhang> no floppy, computer is too old to use usb...
[00:54] <bazhang> err boot from usb
[00:54] <bazhang> 'how did you install?'  'internet'
[01:07] <Flannel> Geez.  What's with people tonight?  Trying to make it as hard as possible for me to help them.
[01:08] <bazhang> seems that way here too
[01:09] <Flannel> It's like pulling teeth.  Ask them for a pastebin, they give you pieces of what you asked for.  And then tell you they got a brand new error! but, of course, telling you what it is doesn't make sense.
[01:27] <Seeker`> Flannel: I've got a problem; can you help?
[01:27] <Flannel> Seeker`: Um.  I can try!
[01:29] <Flannel> ah!  I understand.
[01:30] <Flannel> and now I hate you Seeker`.  You're so hurtful.
[01:30] <Seeker`> Flannel: awwwwwwwwwwwww
[01:31] <bazhang> hynix :(
[01:38] <Seeker`> Flannel: you don't hate me really, do you?
[01:38] <Flannel> Seeker`: Of course not.
[01:38] <Seeker`> :D
[01:38] <LjL> i do though
[01:39] <Flannel> I loathe your very soul.
[01:39] <Seeker`> woo! someone doesn't hate me!
[01:39] <Seeker`> :'(
[01:39] <bazhang> I dont
[01:39] <Amaranth> d'oh
[01:39] <Amaranth> I wanted to pile on too
[01:39] <Flannel> hahah
[01:40] <Amaranth> Seeker`: We're united in our hatred of you
[01:40] <bazhang> I dont
[01:40]  * Amaranth shoves bazhang in the closet
[01:40] <LjL> then we're also united in our hatred of you
[01:40] <Amaranth> yay, I'm hated
[01:41] <Amaranth> I haven't been hated since the Apple fanboys went nuts on me
[01:41] <Flannel> Amaranth: You're made of apples and nuts?
[01:42] <Amaranth> Flannel: I'm sorry, apparently you don't speak English. Do we have a translator?
[01:42]  * Amaranth hides
[02:13] <Seeker`> is everyone feeling a bit less hate-ful now?
[02:14] <LjL> Seeker`: i hate to be hateful, but i still hate you :(
[02:15] <Seeker`> :'(
[02:15] <Seeker`> that makes me sad
[02:15] <LjL> Seeker`: strange. it makes me grap.
[02:18] <Seeker`> "grap"?
[02:18] <LjL> Seeker`: think about it carefully, without excluding any sort of extremely dry humor when examining possibilities
[02:19] <Seeker`> am too tired to think
[02:19] <bazhang> or just /ignore
[02:20] <bazhang> no hate from these quarters
[02:21] <LjL> bazhang: quarters past three?
[02:22] <LjL> my hatred goes on am and pm
[02:22] <bazhang> this is the same grant-a who said he left ubuntu because it was akin to slavery and erm something else unpleasant
[02:23] <LjL> bazhang: i dunno, he was certainly the same grant-a who got banned sometime
[02:24] <bazhang> LjL, yep, and was all 'let me quote the logs on that'
[02:25] <bazhang> LjL, better cellphone than t he E71 in your opinion (if you have one)
[02:25] <bazhang> a cellphone that is
[02:26] <LjL> bazhang: err i don't know... i've got an E50 but i'm not really big into cellphones, although i played with S60 a little software-side
[02:26] <bazhang> LjL, okay thanks
[02:26] <bazhang> know you have no end to opinions, just wanted to clarify :)
[02:27] <LjL> bazhang: well, all i can say is i'm not extremely fond of my E50... also, since they seem to say that the E50's battery lasts long, i dare not imagine the others.
[02:28] <bazhang> not extremely fond=a lasting and durable hatred I am guessing
[02:30] <LjL> bazhang: no... just not extremely fond. it's fancy, it's funny, but my plain nokia 3510 with b/w screen made calls just fine and the battery lasted in excess of a week, and it didn't take 10 seconds to open up the SMS editing "application" or the phonebook
[02:47] <bazhang> abusive!
[02:48] <Seeker`> blah
[03:02] <Seeker`> at least if i'm not an op i don't have to deal with silly people, I can just walk away
[03:03] <bazhang> heh
[03:03] <bazhang> I'm not operator in there either; never have been
[03:03] <Seeker`> I think I only have ops in -uk
[03:03] <Seeker`> and -scribes
[03:04] <bazhang> you wish in #ubuntu ?
[03:04] <Seeker`> huh?
[03:04] <bazhang> to have operator privileges?
[03:05] <Seeker`> not particularly bothered
[03:05] <bazhang> aha
[03:05] <Seeker`> if someone wants to make me an op in #u I wont object
[03:06] <Seeker`> but i'm not going to pester anyone for it or anything
[03:09] <Seeker`> ssssh, he's back!
[03:10] <bazhang> ohnoez
[03:10] <nickrud> where, where?
[03:11] <bazhang> not sure who one would pester exactly, it seems to be a very ad-hoc way of deciding those types of things
[03:12] <Seeker`> bazhang: would probably start with the irc council
[03:12] <Flannel> Yeah.  It's not ad-hoc
[03:13] <nickrud> what things? 
[03:14] <Seeker`> nickrud: who gets to be an op in #u
[03:14] <nickrud> oh yeah, ad hoc'ing it for years
[03:14] <bazhang> heh
[03:15] <Seeker`> i think it is deicded through a complex series of equations, tests and "eney-meeny-miny-moe"
[03:16] <nickrud> although the last round, the only one I've seen there was some general discussion about who to ask iirc. No formal stuff that I saw anywhere
[03:16] <tritium> Have not all current ops been asked to be such?
[03:17] <nickrud> no I stole a password
[03:17] <bazhang> haha
[03:17] <tritium> Figures, nickrud ;)
[03:17] <Seeker`> tritium: I believe there is a discussion that happens on some level to decide suitable candidates, then they are asked if they want the position
[03:18] <nickrud> can't see anything wrong with the choices made so far (and to you too, tritium :)
[03:18] <bazhang> the uber-level
[03:18] <tritium> nickrud: :)
[03:18] <tritium> Seeker`: that may be
[03:19] <Seeker`> nickrud: you say that, but remember, bazhang is an op :O
[03:20] <Seeker`> and jrib :O
[03:20] <bazhang> :(
[03:20] <nickrud> some poor soul has to spend time in #kubuntu. Better him than me
[03:20] <Seeker`> haha
[03:21] <jrib> :o
[03:21] <nickrud> Seeker`, hey, I just remembered, I was asked about bazhang and I recommended him >:|
[03:21] <Seeker`> nickrud: that was silly!
[03:21] <bazhang> :/
[03:21] <Seeker`> I mean...erm...great choice...
[03:22] <Seeker`> :)
[03:22] <nickrud> well, they were looking for quantity of help over quality at the time, it was right about when I was chosen :)
[03:23] <Seeker`> if they ever look for time spent idling in channels, i'm well in!
[03:24] <Amaranth> wtf
[03:24] <Amaranth> I can't remove bans via ChanServ anymore
[03:24] <Seeker`> where?
[03:24] <bazhang> haha
[03:24] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:24] <bazhang> -ot
[03:24] <Pici> I got you
[03:24] <Seeker`> Amaranth: that'll teach you!
[03:25] <Seeker`> Amaranth: what error message do you get?
[03:25] <Amaranth> -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[03:25] <Seeker`> :O
[03:29] <Seeker`> no idea what could cause that
[03:30] <tritium> Amaranth: you're only the first entry on the access list!  Bizarre...
[03:31] <Amaranth> looks like no one except the council has permission to clear bans via chanserv
[03:31] <Seeker`> Amaranth: in any #ubuntu channel?
[03:32] <Amaranth> in #ubuntu-offtopic at least
[03:32] <Amaranth> #ubuntu has the same permissions though
[03:32] <Seeker`> Grant-A: how can we help you?
[03:32] <Grant-A> whoops
[03:32] <Grant-A> wrong channel
[03:32] <Grant-A> sorry
[03:32] <Seeker`> banforward?
[03:32] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[03:33] <Flannel> Nope
[03:33] <Flannel> Looks like he's banned here though?
[03:33] <Flannel> Oh, those are marks.
[03:34] <Seeker`> There should be an "action" column in the bna tracker
[03:35] <Seeker`> Mark, Kick, Ban
[03:35] <Seeker`> just to make it a bit more obvious at half 3 in the morning
[03:35] <Flannel> kicks are by name, bans generally arent.  and marks have the entire host/ident/etc
[03:36] <Seeker`> yes, but it takes some looking at to work it out
[03:36] <Flannel> Seeker`: If youre that groggy at 3am, you likely ought not to be doing op stuff ;)
[03:37] <Seeker`> i'm not that groggy at 3am
[03:37] <Seeker`> at 3:30am maybe :P
[03:43] <Seeker`> bedtime
[03:43] <Seeker`> night
[03:43] <tritium> Good night, Seeker`.
[03:43] <bazhang> night
[03:45] <elky> Flannel, it would make it quicker in general if there was a column with M, K, or B
[03:49] <Seeker`> elky++
[03:49]  * Seeker` really gone
[03:59] <elky> ikonia, um, i forgot about the whole '4g of ram' thing, and installed i386. d'oh!
[04:01] <Flannel> He's beliggerent.
[04:02] <Flannel> Mmm, and that's not spelt correctly.
[04:02] <tritium> elky: is there 64bit flashplugin-nonfree now?
[04:02] <elky> tritium, i genuinely do not know
[04:02] <tritium> elky: there may not be
[04:02] <elky> what a revolting name...
[04:03] <JohnLesbergtion> ok
[04:03] <JohnLesbergtion> I wish to report a rebuse
[04:03] <JohnLesbergtion> abuse*
[04:03] <jrib> tritium: for a few releases now installing flashplugin-nonfree will work fine on amd64
[04:03] <jrib> JohnLesbergtion: ok
[04:03] <tritium> jrib: that's good to know.  Java too?
[04:03] <JohnLesbergtion> ok
[04:03] <JohnLesbergtion> Flannel
[04:03] <jrib> tritium: no browser plugin from sun, but I think that's changing in jaunty
[04:03] <JohnLesbergtion> banned me for no reason
[04:04] <tritium> jrib: thanks
[04:04] <JohnLesbergtion> he banend me for away
[04:04] <JohnLesbergtion> but
[04:04] <JohnLesbergtion> that is no good reason
[04:04] <JohnLesbergtion> and that is considered op abuse
[04:04] <JohnLesbergtion> He is a bad op
[04:04] <jrib> JohnLesbergtion: #ubuntu is a very busy channel, so we ask that users not use public away messages like that.  Do you understand?
[04:04] <JohnLesbergtion> so wha
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> it was only one fucking line
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> lol
[04:05] <jrib> JohnLesbergtion: also, please mind your language here
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> don't be children about it
[04:05] <bazhang> !away
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PROFESSIONAL PLACE
[04:05] <tritium> No need for vulgarity, JohnLesbergtion.
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> NO A PLACE FOR PUSSYBAGS
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> :()
[04:05] <tritium> Exactly. Vulgarity is unprofessional.
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> yep
[04:05] <tritium> And uneducated.
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> and so is bannign for away
[04:05] <tritium> So stop using it.
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> I was there for support
[04:05] <elky> you are not being very professional at all JohnLesbergtion.
[04:05] <JohnLesbergtion> but
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> your services are crap
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> so
[04:06] <bazhang> those are the channel rules
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> I will choose to remove your system
[04:06] <elky> the support there is PURELY voluntary. nobody gets paid a cent.
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> and also
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> flame you
[04:06] <jrib> !enter
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> on how BAD Ubuntu system support it
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> is*
[04:06] <jrib> JohnLesbergtion: as you wish
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> ok
[04:06] <jrib> JohnLesbergtion: anything else?
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> no
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> I am just pissed
[04:06] <bazhang> bye
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> you banned me for a gay ass reason
[04:06] <JohnLesbergtion> I love your system
[04:07] <JohnLesbergtion> but your system staff suck at oping
[04:07] <elky> JohnLesbergtion, now i am pissed because of you. may i now treat you the same as you have treated us?
[04:07] <JohnLesbergtion> fuck u
[04:07] <Flannel> JohnLesbergtion: The channel policies are in place to make #ubuntu usable for everyone.  You should respect those policies.
[04:07] <elky> JohnLesbergtion, there are no staff.
[04:07] <jrib> I'd like ops in this channel to be able to remove people like that
[04:07] <bazhang> heh
[04:07] <jrib> (seriously)
[04:07] <elky> jrib, had it continued any longer, he would have been removed
[04:08] <tritium> Aye.
[04:08] <elky> @mark JohnLesbergtion
[04:08] <bazhang> I'd like a pony
[04:08] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[04:08] <elky> jrib, the only reason i didn't do so as soon as you would have liked, is because he's now left us a sample of his personality
[04:08] <Amaranth> that's cool
[04:08] <Amaranth> the @mark, I mean
[04:09] <elky> Amaranth, yah
[04:09] <elky> @mark
[04:09] <bazhang> Flannel, was that the belligerence you referenced?
[04:09] <elky> Flannel, did you have him in PM?
[04:09] <Flannel> He was like that in query for a bit too.  Which is why I actually banned him (well, forwarded).  Once the "You can't tell me how to run my IRC client" thing turned into a "I'm going to start flaming your system" and "finding exploits" etc, etc.
[04:09] <Flannel> elky: I did.  Like a paste?
[04:09] <Flannel> The PM is what originally prompted the ban.
[04:09] <bazhang> that was so over the top
[04:09] <elky> Flannel, comment on the ban in the bt
[04:09] <Flannel> Alright
[04:10] <Flannel> You want me to just remove the forward and make it a proper ban?
[04:10] <elky> yeah, and drop it altogether tomorrow
[04:11] <tritium> Wha?
[04:11] <bazhang> erry too?
[04:11] <Flannel> erry?
[04:11] <bazhang> errietta
[04:12] <elky> what about err*
[04:12] <elky> ?
[04:12] <bazhang> the one who threatened to sue freenode if they didnt fix her script? after being banned in #ubuntu and #apache ?
[04:13] <tritium> I don't see the motivation for removing JohnLesbergtion's ban tomorrow.
[04:14] <Flannel> I'd just as soon leave it as a forward, so we can talk to him next time he comes back (hopefully a little calmer)
[04:14] <Flannel> Then again, I suppose plenty of banned people find their way here anyway
[04:14] <bazhang> @bansearch errietta
[04:15] <Flannel> Is today the 13th?
[04:15] <Flannel> Oh, so it is.
[04:15] <tritium> Friday, even.
[04:15] <bazhang> 14th here
[04:15] <Flannel> bazhang: Happy Pi day!
[04:15] <bazhang> Flannel, thanks!
[04:15] <elky> bazhang, i imagine that is a freenode issue now then
[04:16] <bazhang> elky, they then removed her cloak
[04:18] <elky> bazhang, then so long as her script is fixed, and she's not actually making threats, and it's been a day or two, then she can be let back in. it's easy enough to re-apply the ban, and it will then give you the argument to keep the ban on
[04:18] <bazhang> elky, ok
[04:19] <elky> bazhang, it's much easier to argue to keep someone out when they have reoffended, then if they haven't
[04:19] <elky> you just have to give them enough rope
[04:20] <bazhang> true
[04:20]  * Flannel wonders what happened to elky, and who has replaced her.
[04:21] <bazhang> hehe
[04:21] <bazhang> that password stealing nickrud I bet
[04:21] <Flannel> Ah.  Makes sense.
[04:25] <elky> Flannel, nobody's replaced me, dear
[04:25] <Flannel> elky: Did you get into a car accident?  Do you remember where you live?
[04:25] <Flannel> What hospital are you staying at?  we can send flowers.
[04:26] <elky> Flannel, <elky> you just have to give them enough rope
[04:26] <Flannel> elky: Yeah, I know.  You're still all for bannination.  It's just not in your usual manner.
[04:26] <tritium> bannination, eh?
[04:26] <Flannel> We got in an argument over a similar issue not too long ago.
[04:26] <tritium> Is that like bannage?
[04:27] <elky> if you want to wait and talk to him first, fine. go for it. otherwise, just let him back in and watch him like a hawk
[04:27] <Flannel> tritium: Yep.  banninating the countryside, banninating the peasants.
[04:27] <tritium> Got it.
[04:27] <Flannel> tritium: banninating all the peoples in the... thatched roof cottages!
[04:28] <elky> Flannel, my point is that arguing with them for days over a first offense is what wears most of us down
[04:31] <tritium> nixternal: didn't like screen-profiles, eh?
[04:31] <nixternal> nope, they get in the way of irssi and my userlist
[04:32]  * Flannel never understood the point of screen profiles.
[04:33] <nixternal> well, they make it easier for new screen users I think
[04:33] <nixternal> if you have to use a bunch of screens then I can understand it
[04:33] <Flannel> Why would a new screen user have more than one screen?
[04:34] <Flannel> There should just be a default hardstatus set to alwayslastline, and then we'll be done with it.
[04:34] <nixternal> right
[04:36] <jrib> !dvd =~ s#http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html#https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/musicvideophotos/C/video.html#
[04:36] <jrib> :/
[04:37] <Flannel> !-dvd
[04:37] <Flannel> jrib: do it to codecs
[04:38] <jrib> !codecs =~ s#http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html#https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/musicvideophotos/C/video.html#
[04:38] <jrib> Flannel: thanks
[04:38] <Flannel> Mmmm, perhaps bots should warn about that.
[04:38] <Flannel> if regexping an alias
[04:38] <Flannel> Nothing changed there (it is an alias)
[04:38] <jrib> they should just do the smart thing
[04:41] <elky> and change the parent? yeah
[04:59] <tritium> Bed time.  Good night, folks.
[05:00] <bazhang> night
[05:43] <Myrtti> elky: poit
[05:43] <elky> ?
[05:51] <Myrtti> holycow?
[05:51] <Myrtti> @bansearch holycow
[05:52] <Myrtti> even I know that nice
[05:52] <Myrtti> nick
[05:52] <Myrtti> should he not be on #u?
[05:52] <Flannel> I think he got cleaned
[05:52] <bazhang> he reformed iirc
[05:53] <Flannel> Removed Feb 11... that'd be during the cleaning
[05:53] <Myrtti> Flannel: you have different results than I do
[05:54] <Flannel> Myrtti: same host as above, i-k-o.... set and removed
[05:55] <Flannel> set on Jan 16, removed Feb 11. alogn with another one for 11 days in Nov
[05:55] <Myrtti> ok
[05:56] <Myrtti> elky: pm?
[06:39] <Myrtti> hmmm
[06:39] <Myrtti> coffee?
[06:47]  * elky wonders what she needs for the fingerprint reader...
[06:49] <Flannel> hardware.
[06:50] <Flannel> A capacitive touch sensor, an IR (or some other light) source, and a receiver for said light source.  (an array would be best)
[06:50] <Flannel> and... that's about it!
[06:51] <elky> the vostro has the hardware...
[06:51] <Flannel> Ooooh
[06:51] <Flannel> libpam-thinkfinger
[06:51] <elky> for dells?
[06:51] <Flannel> and then follow the instructions in the readme.debian
[06:52] <elky> there's also another one
[06:52] <Flannel> for a good chunk of the fingerprint readers, yes.
[06:52] <Flannel> Its MFC based, not laptop brand
[06:52] <elky> MFC?
[06:52] <Flannel> Manufacturer
[06:53] <Flannel> that is, the brand of the fingerprint reader (more specifically, the chipset), and not the laptop/etc
[06:58] <elky> um, ok... now how do i use the thinkfinger thing?
[06:58] <Flannel> read the README.Debian file, it tells you what to add in PAM
[06:58] <Flannel> and tells you how to enroll, and then you're done!
[06:58] <Flannel> or, maybe it doesn't tell you how to enroll.  Let me know.
[07:04] <elky> that file needs updating. it references tf-tools which should be thinkfinger-tools and the path to the enable script still has the redundant lib/libpam- instead of /lib/pam-
[07:06] <elky> and tf-tool is not very userfriendly
[07:08] <elky> tf-tool --aquire refuses to work
[07:09] <Flannel> Maybe your fingerprint reader doesn't work with it.  There's,... a list somewhere on the interblags
[07:09] <elky> please find. i'm sure it'd be a trivial detection thingie
[07:10] <Flannel> It'll be connected via usb, so youcan already poke around to see what lsusb gives you
[07:10] <Flannel> elky: you using sudo?
[07:10] <elky> it sees it fine
[07:10] <elky> :(
[07:10] <Flannel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinkFinger
[07:11] <Flannel> elky: what brand fingerprint reader is it?
[07:11] <elky> um, didn think of that
[07:11] <Flannel> Ah
[07:12] <elky> sgs thompson microelectronics
[07:12] <Flannel> Yep, that's the right kind.
[07:12] <Flannel> Mmmm
[07:12] <Flannel> Half of the time?
[07:12] <elky> the 'error' is 'mode undefined'
[07:12] <Flannel> USB ID 0483:2016 ? that one?
[07:13] <elky> yah
[07:13] <Flannel> Then the reader is good.  Try --verbose too
[07:15] <nalioth> can anyone tell me why intrepid is still broken?
[07:16] <elky> Flannel, it only tells me that it's in verbose mode, then the same 'mode undefined'
[07:16] <Flannel> Odd.  No idea.
[07:16] <elky> nalioth, define 'broken'
[07:17] <nalioth> well, i just dist-upgraded from hardy to inteprid, and have no gui
[07:17] <nalioth> gdm starts up twice without issue, but nothing happens
[07:17] <Myrtti> nalioth: multifail
[07:18] <nalioth> Myrtti: i take it this hasn't been reported?
[07:19] <nalioth> i just can't believe we're almost to jaunty release, and this still happens
[07:19] <nalioth> this is why i don't upgrade when a release appears
[07:20] <nalioth> but you'd think 5+ months would be long enough for the bugs to disappear
[07:20] <elky> i dont know what video card you have, what you had installed, what you had removed, whether you're using proprietary drivers, or why you're sounding like the 'fix this now, slave' trolls in #ubuntu
[07:20] <nalioth> my apologies.
[07:20] <nalioth> just venting
[07:20] <elky> accepted
[07:20]  * Myrtti huggles elky and nalioth
[07:21] <elky> yeah, i know.
[07:21] <elky> and most of the kids in #ubuntu are just venting too ;)
[07:21] <nalioth> i mean FIVE MONTHS . .
[07:21] <Myrtti> I love you both
[07:21] <Myrtti> silly rabbits
[07:22] <elky> nalioth, my mother had a similar issue for a whole release a while back (she got gui, but with painfully slow refresh, hence web browsing was agonising), she tried several times  to upgrade, but rolled back each time
[07:22] <Myrtti> there's a similar thing with xubuntu
[07:23] <Myrtti> gdm launches several xfce session managers
[07:23] <elky> well, she didn't roll back, i helped her set up a 'test' partition
[07:23] <Myrtti> can't remember was it h -> i or i -> j though
[07:23] <elky> she'd log in and do all updates, but it never resolved until the next release
[07:24] <elky> this was dapper -> feisty iirc
[07:24] <elky> so a fair time ago now
[07:26] <Myrtti> gaah
[07:26] <Myrtti> my ginger tablets are too big :-C
[07:30] <elky> um, was m0nik3r5_ unbanned?
[07:30] <elky> @btlogin
[07:31] <elky> hrm, none showing up...
[07:31] <elky> @bansearch m0nik3r5
[07:32] <nalioth> hmmmkay
[07:32] <nalioth> something very weird going on here
[07:35] <elky> nalioth, is it still friday there?
[07:40] <nalioth> elky: it's been saturday for almost 3 hours
[07:41] <nalioth> seems my nvidia driver didn't get upgraded
[07:41] <nalioth> with much hiliarity
[07:41] <elky> is the 'ubuntu-desktop' package still installed?
[07:52] <nalioth> elky: nope, it didn't arrive with the upgrade
[07:52] <elky> then apt-get it down
[07:52] <nalioth> already tried that
[07:53] <elky> didnt fix it?
[07:53] <nalioth> only the ubuntu-desktop metapackage is not installed (all else is)
[07:53] <nalioth> all that it calls
[07:53] <elky> can you pull down an older kernel at all?
[07:53] <nalioth> my nvidia driver didn't get installed (and am doing so now)
[07:54] <elky> a guy at work has an nvidia card and it's had probs in the past fortnight only
[07:58] <nalioth> i have no idea what to do
[07:59] <nalioth> my "Hardware Drivers" thingy won't let me enable it
[07:59] <nalioth> i've installed the nvidia driver at the console, but it's not taken effect
[08:00]  * Myrtti huggles the considerably less evil Gary
[08:00] <Gary> oooo huggles neat
[08:10] <Myrtti> Dear $DEITY. Please forgive me that I want to smack ASUS-tek for being an annoying brat
[08:14]  * nalioth pushes the smart person who decided to not install nvidia drivers during an upgrade in behind ASUS-tek
[08:14] <Myrtti> TAKE IT OFF
[08:14] <Myrtti> TAKE IT OFF
[08:14] <Myrtti> make him go away
[08:15] <Myrtti> PLEASE
[08:15] <Myrtti> I'm so close to killing him over the Internet
[08:15] <elky> Myrtti, where?
[08:15] <elky> nm, i se
[08:15] <Myrtti> his stupidity and language makes my brain melt
[08:15] <Myrtti> though I have to admit
[08:15] <Myrtti> he doesn't even pretend to speak proper english
[08:16] <Myrtti> so I guess this mystical creature land of christels called NORGE is acceptable
[08:18] <Myrtti> hopefully I can be few hours without his stupidity in -ot now
[08:21] <Myrtti> I also get the feeling he's taunting me on purpose nowadays
[08:22] <nalioth> Myrtti: this channel is logged, so he might just be
[08:22] <Myrtti> true
[08:23] <Myrtti> I just looooove this net stalkers
[08:23] <Myrtti> I've got three requests of totally unknown people in facebook currently
[08:24] <Myrtti> s/this/these/
[08:24] <Myrtti> damned English language
[08:24] <Myrtti> here I am, ranting about how someone else misuses it, and fail in it myself
[08:26] <Myrtti> I should probably stop using IRC altogether
[08:26] <Myrtti> this isn't my place anymore
[08:27] <jussi01> Myrtti: your fine... just relax!
[08:27] <Myrtti> though, that would drop me from the Ubuntu Community altogether, since I don't really use forums, attend any meetings, read or write on mailing lists or anything
[08:31] <Myrtti> or perhaps I'll just drop -offtopic from my channels
[08:35] <nalioth> 5 months and KDE is still broken, too
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[08:35] <nalioth> it's 0330 here, y'all stay warm
[08:37] <Myrtti> I have a rant inside of me, but I'll just bottle it up and let it pass. *sigh* I should clean this place up and start packing.
[08:38] <jussi01> nini nalioth
[08:38] <Myrtti> I actually think I'll go back to bed for a while. Have fun with hynix.
[08:38]  * elky huggles Myrtti
[08:39] <elky> Myrtti, you cant stop ircing. i'll cry :(
[09:11] <bazhang> he was --> <---this close to a kb earlier
[10:11] <jussi01> jdong: do you really have to have that increadibly annoying bot in #ubuntuforums?
[10:15] <elky> no wonder other users want annoying bots
[10:16] <jussi01> elky: huh?
[10:16] <bazhang> meoblast
[10:16] <elky> if annoying bots are permitted in other ubuntu channels
[10:20] <bazhang> * [aky] (n=akhenato@unaffiliated/akh3n4t0n): akhenaton <--archlinux-offtopic user
[10:20] <jussi01> elky: yeah, I would like to see it gone to be honest. 
[10:20] <bazhang> jussi01, twssbot or pyckupline
[10:21] <jussi01> bazhang: both of them, but particularly pyckupline
[10:22] <bazhang> is ubuntuforums an official ubuntu channel?
[10:56] <Seeker`> hihi
[11:04] <bazhang> o/
[11:05] <Seeker`> bazhang: you still up?!
[11:05] <Seeker`> I thought that we only "owned" #ubuntu-
[11:05] <bazhang> Seeker`, its early evening here, so yeah
[11:06] <bazhang> aha
[11:06] <bazhang> so getting JDONG to shut down the bots is not under irc council?
[11:07] <Seeker`> what do yo mean?
[11:07] <elky> bazhang, ubuntuforums.org is the official forum of ubuntu, and that channel is the official channel of that forum. that would imply by basic logic that it is an official ubuntu channel.
[11:07] <bazhang> I've been trying to reform them btw (teaching it star-spangled banner, joni mitchell, james taylor, julie andrews songs)
[11:08] <Seeker`> bazhang: you're trrying to reform them the wrong way then!
[11:08] <bazhang> heh
[11:09] <Seeker`> Jdong has access in #ubuntuforums, and by the looks of it fairly high levels of access
[11:09] <Seeker`> if you spoke to him about removing someone/thing and it was reasonable, I suspect he would do it
[11:09] <bazhang> that is the whole point
[11:09] <bazhang> is it reasonable or not.
[11:10] <elky> Seeker`, #kubuntu, #edubuntu and #xubuntu too
[11:10] <Seeker`> well, what bots do you want shut down?
[11:11] <bazhang> all of them there according to jussi01 
[11:11] <Seeker`> what are they doing?
[11:11] <bazhang> why not just slap a language filter on the bad words
[11:11] <elky> having that sort of garbage in an ubuntu branded channel makes a. ubuntu look bad and b. makes it harder for us to maintain decency in the main channels
[11:12] <bazhang> mostly the curse words are what I suspect is objected to
[12:12]  * Myrtti sighs
[12:12] <Myrtti> do I dare to look at -offtopic?
[12:12] <bazhang> yeah
[12:13] <bazhang> just majnoon moo'ing right now
[12:14] <Myrtti> no hynix?
[12:14] <bazhang> hynix et alia has been warned in no uncertain to cease and desist with ALL stalking
[12:14] <bazhang> +terms
[12:14] <Myrtti> I wish I could stand him better but it's like banging my head on the wall
[12:14] <bazhang> he is idle there
[12:15] <bazhang> he was warned that next time will be it.
[12:18]  * Mez does a little dance
[12:20] <Myrtti> I can't even explain it
[12:20] <bazhang> no need
[12:20] <bazhang> several of us have been stalked
[12:20] <bazhang> every one that spends any time in that channel know of his creepy behaviour/multiple nicks
[12:21] <bazhang> his bannination is way long overdue imo
[12:21] <Myrtti> he's not even stalking anymore
[12:21] <bazhang> along with groovyaspatchesapplesorangeapples
[12:22] <Myrtti> apart from last sunday with his weird pm "happy womens day"
[12:22] <bazhang> he did me two days ago
[12:22] <bazhang> and when asked about it: 'I dont do that so much anymore' (????)
[12:26] <Myrtti> I hate to be paranoid, but I seriously think that he or someone of his acquaintances in IRC reads these logs or something and then he taunts me/us on purpose
[12:29] <bazhang> nah
[12:30] <bazhang> very few as deeply troubled as he and groovyapples
[12:34] <Myrtti> what I think is the case is
[12:34] <Myrtti> that he is a) young(ish) and from a culture that has set hierarchy
[12:35] <Myrtti> b) he assumes that Internet and IRC doesn't have that hierarchy
[12:35] <Myrtti> c) whatever hierarchy he might see, he actively ignores is or brushes it aside, because b)
[12:36] <bazhang> I disagree
[12:36] <Myrtti> so if I or you tell him to stop doing foobarbaz, he conveniantly forgets or ignores the requests
[12:36] <Myrtti> because of b)
[12:36] <bazhang> may want to k tarfart in #kubuntu
[12:46] <bazhang> * tarfart (n=jerware@24.229.180.54.res-cmts.flt.ptd.net pasted a foul link
[13:23] <Myrtti> hrmrhm
[13:23] <bazhang> he's just trolling #k now
[13:25] <bazhang> jussi01, Tm_T ^^
[13:25] <Tm_T> again
[13:25] <bazhang> yep
[13:35] <bazhang> when someone is on about 'this linux crap sucks', its hard to want to help them
[13:44] <Myrtti> @bansearch Myztikal_ 
[13:50] <bazhang> a budding limcore in tarfart
 this linux garbage is giving me a head ache
[13:58] <Nafallo> then don't use it
[14:14] <bazhang> gah
[14:15] <bazhang> may as well remove #k from auto-join from now on
[14:32] <Tm_T> bazhang: thats childish, son
[14:32] <bazhang> Tm_T, true
[14:32] <bazhang> but with drostie on about kubuntu is the place to discuss jaunty issues
[14:32] <Tm_T> brrrh
[14:33] <bazhang> just a bit fed up, venting is all. my apologies.
[15:13] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/131099/
[15:14] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hmm?
[15:14] <bazhang> whoa
[15:14] <bazhang> leguin has the lion's share
[15:15] <Myrtti> well that's what I see
[15:15] <Myrtti> with my irssi
[15:17] <Myrtti> bazhang: objections agains /mode -b *!*@a194-109-2-13.dmn.xs4all.nl
[15:18] <bazhang> Myrtti, was that errietta?
[15:19] <Myrtti> no, it's one of yours from Jan
[15:20] <bazhang> cant see that on this server; but as el ky said, if they are reformed then great, if not then reban
[15:20] <bazhang> or words to that effect in essence
[15:23] <Myrtti> too tired to go through that
[15:24] <Myrtti> Tm_T: irssi/grep/sed magic from week ago
[15:26] <bazhang> removed yesterdays ban, did not see the one you referred to Myrtti 
[15:26] <Myrtti> bazhang: line 91
[15:27] <Myrtti> bazhang: I always check bantracker, you see
[15:27] <Myrtti> it's yours
[15:27] <bazhang> Myrtti, okay will remove
[15:28] <Myrtti> that's why going through both #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic took me about four hours last Sat
[15:28] <Myrtti> and now there's atleast a mark on all the bans of #ubuntu
[15:29] <Myrtti> there's three or four of something so old there isn't anything
[15:29] <Myrtti> like *!*@189.75.27.242
[15:30] <bazhang> well seemingly if they are really well known and unreformed they will be easy to spot
[15:30] <Myrtti> I just left them there because I took only the clear cases of expired off
[15:33] <Myrtti> I love how you can access the plain info with http://paste.ubuntu.com/131099/plain/
[15:37] <Myrtti> hm
[15:37]  * Myrtti goes to buy cider
[16:15] <bazhang> Myrtti, removed
[16:16] <Myrtti> I was just called a decadent weirdo
[16:16] <Myrtti> and also that I need to find a hobby and get vacation
[16:17] <bazhang> wth
[16:17] <bazhang> by whom
[16:17] <Myrtti> in reply to http://identi.ca/notice/2785895
[16:17] <Myrtti> in irc :-D
[16:18] <Myrtti> I feel like that bear, apart that I don't do prime numbers, I do regexps
[16:18]  * bazhang huggles Myrtti 
[16:20] <Myrtti> now, where was I... oh yes. the debug log
[16:45] <Nafallo> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:46] <Nafallo> someone kill them!
[16:54] <Nafallo> !search playing
[16:54] <Nafallo> !search abuse
[16:54] <Nafallo> !bot abuse
[16:54]  * Nafallo waits for the next one
[16:54] <bazhang> or else
[16:54] <bazhang> I like that :)
[17:43]  * Myrtti sings to Elton John
[17:54] <Seeker`> Myrtti: you have elton john there?!
[17:54] <Myrtti> I've got about a dozen of his CD's... and a tour t-shirt
[17:55] <Myrtti> and an autographed photo...
[17:55] <Myrtti> and a concert ticket from 1998
[17:56] <Tm_T> and I still wonder how she is my twinsister
[17:57] <Myrtti> Spotify is starting to annoy me
[19:28] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell gsteinert about away
[20:10] <Myrtti> that was the second time from that ip
[20:10] <Myrtti> with the same nickname
[20:15] <nalioth> Myrtti: klined
[20:21] <Myrtti> nalioth: thankie dear
[20:41] <Flannel> Hi hrehf, how can we help you?
[20:41] <hrehf> hrmm, just got banned by your dcc bug port
[20:42] <hrehf> 1) the wiki page should explain what the actual problem is, and why connecting to a different port helps
[20:42] <Flannel> And it looks like you were then tested by floodbots, and are removed.
[20:42] <hrehf> 2) aren't you guys causing a lot of disconnects/rejoins for OTHER channels?
[20:42] <Flannel> hrehf: How would we be doing that?
[20:43] <hrehf> until i even noticed i was banned in ubuntu my client tried to reconnect ~20 times
[20:43] <hrehf> causing 20 x 10 channels of rejoins
[20:43] <Flannel> That doesn't make sense.
[20:44] <hrehf> Flannel err, quote this http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/bugtraq/2006-02/0639.html
[20:44] <hrehf> Flannel how does that not make sense?
[20:44] <Flannel> hrehf: Because when you tried to reconnect, you were disconnected, so you weren't cycling other channels.
[20:44] <hrehf> Flannel additionally, make clear its buggy firmware on the router that seems to inspect the irc packets and is disconnecting if it sees such a packet
[20:44] <Flannel> hrehf: Once you reconnect, and join #ubuntu, you get forwarded to the exploit channel
[20:45] <hrehf> Flannel i am autojoining the other channels?
[20:45] <Flannel> hrehf: Yes, but you're not connected to freenode at that time.
[20:45] <hrehf> err
[20:45] <hrehf> 2009-03-14 21:38:53 * Disconnected
[20:45] <hrehf> 2009-03-14 21:38:56 * Attempting to rejoin channel ##java
[20:45] <hrehf> Flannel i am indeed connected to freenode
[20:45] <hrehf> :)
[20:45] <Flannel> being banned (well, forwarded) in a channel has nothing to do with reconnecting.
[20:45] <hrehf> Flannel lol
[20:46] <Flannel> hrehf: You were disconnected from the entire network.
[20:46] <hrehf> Flannel maybe you should read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[20:46] <hrehf> yes
[20:46] <hrehf> and my client is reconnecting fn
[20:46] <Flannel> hrehf: Yes.  And once you reconnect to freenode, you rejoin all the other channels.
[20:46] <hrehf> so a) all the other channels im in got "hrehf quit"
[20:46] <Flannel> There's only one disconnect/reconnect
[20:46] <hrehf> b) all the other chans im on get "hrehf joins"
[20:46] <Flannel> hrehf: once, yes.  not twenty times.
[20:47] <hrehf> the exact fucking reason why you banned me from ubuntu in the first place
[20:47] <Flannel> hrehf: I think you're confused.
[20:47] <Flannel> You misunderstand whats going on perhaps.
[20:47] <hrehf> Flannel oh right, then it's just once. still annyoing
[20:47] <Flannel> hrehf: Right, but we didn't cause that.
[20:47] <hrehf> Flannel maybe you're just assuming im a noob
[20:47] <hrehf> i hate people that do that
[20:47] <hrehf> Flannel your TEST causes it
[20:48] <hrehf> Flannel also, it's NOT only once. test me also disconnects me
[20:48] <Myrtti> hrehf: don't you want the problem to be fixed then?
[20:48] <Flannel> hrehf: Then you didn't fix your issue before you requested a test.
[20:48] <Flannel> hrehf: We can't make sure you fixed the problem without testing it.
[20:48] <nickspoon> He's not assuming anything, hrehf. We did not cause you to be disconnected from freenode.
[20:48] <hrehf> nickspoon oh?
[20:48] <hrehf> nickspoon what does test me do then?
[20:48] <hrehf> nickspoon why did you ban me in the first place?
[20:49] <hrehf> i'd be interested in that
[20:49] <Flannel> hrehf: If you've fixed the exploit, then the test won't disconnect you.
[20:49] <hrehf> aren't you purposefully sending exploit packets?
[20:49] <hrehf> maybe i should report you
[20:49] <Flannel> Also, the test is voluntary, you knew it was coming, etc.
[20:49] <hrehf> Flannel the first ban?
[20:49] <hrehf> ;-)
[20:49] <Flannel> hrehf: No.  We didn't cause that.
[20:49] <Flannel> hrehf: malicious users did.
[20:50] <Myrtti> who, btw, is now k-lined
[20:50] <Flannel> hrehf: Again, I think you're misunderstanding how this all works.
[20:50] <hrehf> Flannel see 1)
[20:50] <hrehf> erm
[20:50] <Flannel> hrehf: I fail to see how 1) is relevant.
[20:50] <hrehf> are you serious?
[20:50] <Myrtti> !exploit
[20:50]  * Myrtti reads the wikipage
[20:51] <Flannel> hrehf: How does the content of the wiki page affect you before you've visited said wiki page?
[20:51] <hrehf> Flannel HUH?
[20:51] <hrehf> lol
[20:51] <hrehf> Flannel I think you're misunderstanding how this all works.
[20:51] <Myrtti> the actual problem is that you have a buggy router
[20:51] <hrehf> :)
[20:51] <Myrtti> and the problem is stated on that wikipage
[20:52] <Flannel> hrehf: If you want to be difficult, go right ahead and be difficult, you won't get help here with an attitude.
[20:52] <hrehf> Myrtti it's stated badly
[20:52] <Myrtti> the secondary problem is that there are some idiots, who think it's funny to exploit that
[20:52] <hrehf> Flannel YOU are the difficult one
[20:52] <Myrtti> and that is also stated on that wikipage
[20:52] <hrehf> *i* am just telling you that i found the wiki page not really helpful at all
[20:52] <hrehf> i am not changing any settings without background on the actual problem
[20:52] <Myrtti> hrehf: so, which part would you like to have changed, and please give good suggestions?
[20:52] <hrehf> and 'router buggy' isn't the actual problem
[20:53] <hrehf> it's a vague description
[20:53] <Myrtti> oh?
[20:53] <Flannel> hrehf: Yeah, itis.
[20:53] <Flannel> Its an overzealous "magic firewall"
[20:53] <hrehf> Flannel I think you're misunderstanding how this all works.
[20:53] <nalioth> hrehf: we're not here to teach trolls how to knock peole offline
[20:53] <hrehf> Flannel the wikipage doesn't say that
[20:53] <Flannel> hrehf: It doesn't need to.
[20:53] <hrehf> nalioth huh?
[20:53] <hrehf> lol
[20:53] <nalioth> hrehf: you can certainly ask google anything you like
[20:53] <hrehf> bah
[20:53] <Flannel> hrehf: The specifics of why it happen aren't relevant, and are likely to confuse people.
[20:54] <hrehf> why are you guys so zealot like
[20:54] <nalioth> and it's not like we're asking you to parade all your passwords around  - just a simple oort change
[20:54] <Flannel> If you want to know specifics, theres lots of information on the web.
[20:54] <hrehf> it's like the guys on wikipedia who enforce rules without thinking about it
[20:54] <nalioth> port change, even
[20:54]  * Myrtti can't see the problem since the banforward is removed and all
[20:54] <hrehf> and you have to argue that you're right for half an hour until they give in
[20:55] <Flannel> hrehf: We've noted your objection to the vagueness of the wiki page.  Is there anything else we can help you with?
[20:55] <hrehf> nalioth maybe 8001 directs me to a different server that's yours
[20:55] <LjL> hrehf, contacting an op in PM rather than using this channel risks to fail if said op is away...
[20:55] <Myrtti> hrehf: which parts of that wikipage do you want to be changed, and how. Specific examples and suggestions are welcomed, but not necessarily applied
[20:55] <hrehf> LjL just following the bot's advice...
[20:55] <nalioth> hrehf: if you distrust the ubuntu community that much, perhaps you shouldn't be here
[20:56] <Myrtti> did the bot tell you to pm someone? hardly? surely not?
[20:56] <LjL> hrehf: no
[20:56] <LjL> the bot tells you to read the *topic*
[20:56] <LjL> and the topic tells you to check #ubuntu-ops
[20:56] <hrehf> Myrtti i'd like it to state that the bug is in the firmware that is inspecting the packet, and that connecting to 8001 fools the firmware into not inspecting the packet
[20:56]  * Myrtti looks at everyone
[20:56] <LjL> like 99% of the people reading the page would know what that's about
[20:57] <hrehf> Myrtti which would explain why connecting to 8001 actually helps
[20:57] <Myrtti> LjL: could it be on italics on near the bottom of the page?
[20:57] <hrehf> LjL ill search the quote..
[20:57] <LjL> "The issue is due to a bug in certain routers. However, even when the router itself cannot be fixed (which is, unfortunately, often the case), a workaround is available."
[20:57] <Flannel> hrehf: Alright.  We'll take note of your suggestion and consider it.  Is there anything else we can help you with today?
[20:57] <LjL> "Most router manufacturers have provided an updated firmware for their router that fix this particular exploit. Please check with their website for upgrades and installation instructions."
[20:58] <hrehf> Flannel don't treat users immediately like noobs in a zealotish way
[20:58] <hrehf> that would help a shitton
[20:58] <Seeker`> hrehf: watch your language please
[20:58] <Flannel> hrehf: When you come in saying you were spamming channels 20 times, it was obvious you were confused.
[20:58] <hrehf> LjL i have the latest firmware on my router, i am sure
[20:58] <LjL> hrehf: then your router manufacturer is lousy
[20:59] <LjL> hardly anyone's fault
[20:59] <hrehf> LjL yes it is
[20:59] <Seeker`> hrehf: whose fault is it?
[20:59] <hrehf> the manufacturer's i guess
[20:59] <LjL> also
[20:59] <LjL> there is a whole "Background details" chapter on the page
[20:59] <LjL> for those who'd like to dig into what exactly the issue is about
[20:59] <nalioth> hrehf: in some cases, the firmware does bupkus
[20:59] <LjL> and those people, i'm sure, also know how to use google
[21:00] <nalioth> yes, Google does have the answers 
[21:00] <hrehf> Flannel the first three i read weren't useful
[21:00] <hrehf> just bug reports without any further info
[21:00] <Seeker`> the first three what?
[21:00] <Flannel> hrehf: You mean LjL, or nalioth, not me.
[21:00] <hrehf> oh, sorry, it was directed at ljl ;)
[21:01] <LjL> hrehf: if you can't read a security vulnerability report in standard wording, that's not anyone's fault either
[21:01] <LjL> or
[21:01] <LjL> what you actually want to see on the page
[21:01] <LjL> is perhaps detailed instructions for script kiddies on how to activate the exploit?
[21:01] <hrehf> LjL there's your quote: "(@FloodBot1): hrehf: Either say « test me » after following the instructions, or consult the operators if unclear "
[21:01] <LjL> because i'm sure that's not the purpose of our wiki
[21:02] <LjL> hrehf: yes. before that, it DID mention to you to read the /topic
[21:02] <Flannel> hrehf: Anyway, if there's nothing else we can help you with today.  We ask users don't idle here to keep the noise down.  Thanks for stopping by.
[21:02] <LjL> [21:08:14] <FloodBot1> hrehf: Hello, You can't « /join #ubuntu » because of a problem with your connection. Please type « /topic » and read the instructions.
[21:02] <hrehf> Flannel bwaha
[21:02] <hrehf> well
[21:02] <LjL> Your router is buggy 1) Please follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to FIX it (yes, it can be fixed) 2) after carrying out those instructions please type « test me » and wait few minutes | if this fails, type « /join #ubuntu-ops » to be tested manually
[21:02] <hrehf> this attitude doesn't exactly make me support stuff
[21:02] <hrehf> good day
[21:02] <Flannel> I don't even know what that means.
[21:03] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops hrehf Troll.
[21:03] <Flannel> Now, is itjust me, or did he come here originally and think we were the first ones to exploit him?
[21:03] <LjL> Flannel: well, i was away
[21:03] <Seeker`> I connected to port 8001 once. It made my house explode.
[21:03] <LjL> otherwise if i had known about him, i might have taken some solace.
[21:03] <Flannel> Hmm?
[21:03]  * Myrtti crosses her fingers
[21:04] <LjL> Flannel: just don't make me explain.
[21:04] <Flannel> Alight
[21:05] <LjL> so... who's in favor of the floodbots *automatically* test you as soon as you say *anything* in -read-topic? >:
[21:05]  * nalioth sniggers
[21:24] <Seeker`> LjL: how bout the floodbots detecting trolls automatically and banning them
[21:24] <Flannel> Seeker`: +1
[21:25] <Seeker`> typically, anyone that says more than about 30 lines in here in 30 mins
[21:25] <LjL> Seeker`: err... you've spoiled my reimplementation of MetaBot to use bayesian filters to detect trolls... :(
[21:26] <Seeker`> I reckon thats as good a metric as any other you'll find
[21:29] <LjL> nalioth, where did the third floodbot go?
[21:36] <bazhang> @bansearch fogobogo
[21:36] <nalioth> LjL: i have no clue - the networks have probably sucked it down temporarily
[21:36] <Mez> @bansearch I
[21:40] <Mez> @mark I #ubuntu-uk seems to have been a spammer
[21:43] <Seeker`> Mez: possibly a bit harsh
[21:44] <LjL> nalioth: it's not very temporary, it's been days...
[21:44] <nalioth> LjL: ah
[21:44] <nalioth> let me look into, as i've been offline a lot
[21:44] <Myrtti> GROWL
[21:44] <Seeker`> Myrtti: ?
[21:44] <bazhang> yikes
[21:45] <Myrtti> Skype makes me cry ;___;
[21:45] <Myrtti> stupid piece of junk
[21:45] <LjL> you ought to cry just for using it
[21:46] <Myrtti> LjL: show me a SIP client for Mac that can do NAT reversal, and fix PulseAudio lag problems, then I'll consider
[21:46] <Mez> Seeker`: he wouldnt respond, channels nothing to do with Linux, seemed like spam, it was only a remove, not a ban
[21:46] <LjL> Myrtti: you ought to cry for using a Mac
[21:47] <Myrtti> LjL: it's not me, you see...
[21:47] <Seeker`> Mez: would still have given them a bit longer
[21:47] <Seeker`> Mez: possibly a warnign too
[21:47] <LjL> Myrtti: you ought to cry for not being you
[21:47] <Myrtti> ARGGHGHGSALKGasgh
[21:47] <Seeker`> Mez: everyone makes typos too
[21:47] <Mez> Seeker`: indeed. Maybe I was a little harsh, but there's not really any harm done.
[22:00] <jdong> elky / jussi01: The two bots were in the channel for fun; they have been removed and will not be in the channel anymore
[23:04] <LjL> my eeepc has a life of its own.
[23:04] <LjL> jdong: you've been infesting our channels with bots?!
[23:06] <Seeker`> LjL: AI eeepc?
[23:07] <LjL> Seeker`: more likely the broken SSD causing xchat to hang for ages and then suddenly come back to life briefly...
[23:07] <Seeker`> eww
[23:07] <LjL> so i guess yeah, considering what natural intelligence most often consists of
[23:07] <Seeker`> AI eeepc would be much more fun
[23:21] <Myrtti> gpryatel: anything else we can help you with?
[23:21] <gpryatel> i think its working now, if not i'll come back :)
[23:21] <Myrtti> thanks for flying with Ubuntu
[23:22] <Myrtti> have a nice day...
[23:22] <topyli> haha
[23:22] <LjL> topyli: yeah, i've just been too lazy to phone them yet...
[23:22] <LjL> no route to host, how might that be
[23:23] <topyli> LjL: ah good
[23:23] <LjL> topyli: (besides, are there *any* eeepcs around that aren't under warranty?)
[23:23] <topyli> i guess not :)
[23:23] <Flannel> LjL: If you open it up/etc its likely possible to void it
[23:23] <bazhang> mine is not
[23:23] <LjL> ah yes
[23:24] <topyli> bazhang: you've hacked it to hell i presume? :)
[23:24] <bazhang> topyli, nope; bought on second day globally available though :)
[23:24] <Flannel> topyli: It's just a handheld calculator that he scratched an "eee" into!
[23:24]  * Flannel hides.
[23:24] <topyli> hehe
[23:26] <topyli> bazhang: ah i got mine from my mobile operator with a 2 year mobile "broadband" deal, the warranty is the same
[23:27] <bazhang> gpryatel, how may we help you
[23:27] <bazhang> topyli, nice
[23:28] <topyli> bazhang: i don't think they realize what they got themselves into. i actually use it all the time and have it with me all the time. i'll be surprised if it lasts two years :)
[23:29] <LjL> gpryatel: try the test now please
[23:52] <Seeker`> hmm ,gpryatel is still here