[00:19] <AlexPersimmon> hi there
[00:20] <AlexPersimmon> is there any GUI for wifi in xubuntu?
[00:20] <AlexPersimmon> I mean actual usage, not driver installation
[00:20] <gorgut> yes
[00:20] <gorgut> do you see the 2 computers at the top of the screen?
[00:21] <AlexPersimmon> :)
[00:21] <AlexPersimmon> anything more advanced?
[00:21] <gorgut> well, when you click on it, do you see a list of wireless networks?
[00:21] <AlexPersimmon> like removal of redundant networks, any options?
[00:22] <gorgut> not sure :)
[00:23] <AlexPersimmon> ok thanks
[01:11] <theocl> Hello. I've installed xubuntu, upgraded to 8.04 and experiencing both 1) no sound (old SB16 card was working in this install after changes to alsa-base) and 2) Totem Movieplayer error "Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file." I'm new to IRC and happy to receive helpful comment.
[01:15] <cajun> i just installed xubuntu on an old laptop that had window millenium on it. after restarting, there is no top panel with menus.  how do i bring them back?
[01:15] <charlie-tca> !panels
[01:16] <cajun> what can i do to make sure it comes back the next time i boot up?
[01:17] <charlie-tca> when you log out, make sure "save session" is checked
[01:18] <cajun> thank you
[01:19] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[01:21] <charlie-tca> theocl: did you get any errors during the upgrade?
[01:22] <theocl> charlie-tca: none
[01:22] <charlie-tca> It may not have applied all the updates. I would open a terminal, run "sudo apt-get update" and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:23] <charlie-tca> That will apply any updates not done. Then restart the system. Sometimes it works.
[01:27] <theocl> ﻿charlie-tca: done - on this system, so will say thanks and get back after reboot
[01:27] <charlie-tca> If it still doesn't work, come on back
[01:30] <theocl> thanks
[01:43] <theocl> charlie-tca: no messages, same issues i'm afraid. I don't know what specifically I did to get the card working once  but added an option line for the SB to alsa-base which is not there now. To copy a file into modprobe.d directory, do I delete the original first? (I have backups).
[01:45] <theocl> My windows habits are dying hard.
[01:49] <spikku> Where's the default terminal located?  ex: /usr/bin/terminal
[01:51] <charlie-tca> /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal
[02:01] <spikku> charlie-tca: Thank you! :)
[02:02] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[02:07] <cajun> what is a command to restart?
[02:07] <cajun> the panel won't let me restart from the menu
[02:18] <spikku> cajun: ctrl+alt+F1
[02:18] <spikku> Then you'll have a non-GUI termina;
[02:18] <spikku> Then `reboot`
[02:18] <spikku> or `init 0`
[03:11] <dkkong> I"m having problems with my computer's resolution. It detects my resolution wrong and has a 0 refresh rate, since reconfiguring xserver-xorg isn't an option, what can I do?
[04:58] <OSO> Quick question - which version of Xfce will be used on Xubuntu 9.04?
[05:00] <durt> 4.6
[05:01] <OSO> That's great. Thanks for help
[05:40] <Mood> is 4.6 worth the upgrade?
[06:12] <Gadu> hey, i'm trying to customize my xubuntu livecd for on-the-go (and showing off) using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[06:12] <Gadu> however, i can't seem to find the config files for default desktop background and customizing panel
[06:13] <Gadu> could someone point me to the directory these files would be located?
[09:07] <Hancok>  hi, how can i access ext3 file system on windows xp?
[09:14] <R1cochet> i think u need a driver
[09:14] <Hancok> which one
[09:14] <Hancok> iam using kubuntu. how can i know on which port is my modem connected?
[09:57] <jurismm> Hi! I removed from system-> services GDM manager And now I don't know how to enable it. I login in command line, enter startx, get another console, write firefox to start firefox and now what? Thank You!
[11:59] <gumpert345> hi is there a easy to use and install vnc server for xubuntu you would recommend?
[12:04] <TheSheep> !vnc
[12:06] <gumpert345> yes, but I heard about some problems with vino, tightvnc with xubuntu, I hoped someone got a server up and running, and give me advice which one to choose, I can do the rest myself
[13:28] <vignesh> Hi
[13:28] <vignesh> How Do I quickly add application shortcuts to the panel
[13:29] <vignesh> I am not able to right click on an application in the menu and add it to the panel
[13:53] <gabbsmo> Hi, I cant set the screenres. to 1024x768, the option is not avaible. How do I fix this?
[14:12] <b4|hraban> Hi, I am using an ATi Radeon 9600 with proprietary drivers and I am seeing two Xorg processes. A little googling suggests that the proprietary ATi drivers are at fault (apparently since 2007). Now, I don't really care about how many processes there are, it's just that I am /very/ low on RAM :)
[14:13] <b4|hraban> 512 MB, to be exact. so, I tried to check out if they are sharing memory or actually both allocate 350MB separately. http://pastebin.com/d4debf3af
[14:14] <b4|hraban> does that pmap output suggest that they are sharing their memory (save those 10 and 5 MBs)?
[14:24] <gabbsmo> Hi, I cant set the screenres. to 1024x768, the option is not avaible. How do I fix this?
[14:29] <durt> !resolution | gabbsmo
[15:50] <familie> why is the font type in all my applications like firefox, mousepad, xchat, etc so big?
[15:51] <familie> it seems bigger then fontsize 9
[15:51] <knome> nothing should be 9 by default.
[15:52] <familie> configuration manager > userinterface : font = SANS 9
[15:55] <familie> if I change that to lets say font size 12, then all the menu fonts get bigger as axpectde, but one can clearly see that the menu fonts for the applications mentioned before are bigger then the fonts used in my taskbars
[15:55] <knome> familie, i'm not sure but there might be some limitations on certain elements.
[15:58] <familie> its not realy a limitation, its always bigger, no matter what my setting is
[15:59] <familie> so if I make my settign smaller so that the menu font is to my liking than i can't read the text in my taskbars anymore
[15:59] <familie> kind of anoying :-s
[16:25] <familie> ok different question: why is energie management a user preference and not a system preference?
[16:27] <familie> I don't want my users to be able to set th epreferences so that the computer goes to sleep after 2 minutes
[16:31] <familie> is this the wrong channel for these kind of questions? :-s
[16:44] <user1> what is the package name for restricted codecs. mp3 etc. i think its kubuntu restricted extras. need the exact name and repo containing it. 2. i think there is a problem in konqueror offline and online mode. you know hoe to get there ?
[16:45] <charlie-tca> user1: If you are using Xubuntu, it is xubuntu-restricted-extras, If you are using Kubuntu, you should ask on #kubuntu
[16:48] <user1> charlie-tca:  which repo?
[16:49] <charlie-tca> !info xubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:02] <brandonban6> !flash
[18:09] <brandonban6> !gnash
[18:09] <brandonban6> !Restricted
[18:10] <charlie-tca> !info xubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:10] <charlie-tca> hey, brandonban6
[18:10] <charlie-tca> just thought I would throw that into your mix
[18:12] <brandonban6> hi charlie-tca thanks........i can get flash to work for some reasons, trying to decide if it is a video card issue or flash problem
[18:12] <charlie-tca> flash problem
[18:12] <charlie-tca> almost always
[18:13] <charlie-tca> adobe maintains tight control of the code, so it is real hard to get it working with everything
[18:14] <brandonban6> yeah, i've noticed :)
[18:17] <brandonban6> brb reboot
[18:20] <brandonban6> ahh, so frustrating
[18:20]  * brandonban6 takes deep breath
[18:22] <brandonban6> second issue, ATI Radeon X300 will not load the ATI/AMD FGLRX driver.
[18:22] <brandonban6> and flash continues to fail on me
[18:28] <btQuark_> any idea if there's a way to get xubuntu 4.6 on intrepidß
[18:28] <btQuark_> ?
[18:28] <btQuark_> hello all :D
[18:29] <brandonban6> hi btQuark_
[18:29] <btQuark_> or install the betas from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Intrepid/Xfce4.6 paralell to your stable xfce
[18:29] <charlie-tca> no
[18:29] <charlie-tca> install Xfce 4.6 from the ppa
[18:30] <btQuark_> which ppa?
[18:30] <btQuark_> i just found xubuntu-dev which keeps some horrid 4.5beta stuff
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Get it here: https://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa . File the bugs against it on http://bugzilla.xfce.org/ .
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Follow the instructions to add it to your sources: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Install it in a tty using ctrl+alt+f2, log in, type "sudo apt-get update", hit enter. When that finishes, type "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", hit enter.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Restart your computer, if it doesn't work, run the upgrade again.
[18:36] <btQuark_> i am actually quite curious to see what the 4.6 can do
[18:36] <btQuark_> ...installing...
[18:46] <btQuark_> update to 4.6 seems to have worked flawless
[18:46] <btQuark_> xfce 4.6 looks nice :D
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Using it is even nicer
[18:52] <Artelus> Can someone help me?
[18:52] <Artelus> I just fucked up my browser -.-
[18:52] <Artelus> how do i fix firefox? >_>
[18:52] <Artelus> anyone there who can personally help me?
[18:53] <frette> I guess a bit more info would help ;p
[18:53] <Artelus> Well noone seems to be here o.o
[18:53] <Artelus> alright so, i tried updating flash
[18:53] <Myrtti> Artelus: firefox -safe-mode
[18:53] <Artelus> but doing that seemed to mess it up even more
[18:53] <Artelus> I downloaded the flash at adobe.com and installed that
[18:54] <Artelus> and then all the flash stopped working, what the hell!?
[18:54] <Artelus> So I uninstalled it, and it still isn't working
[18:54] <Artelus> then I stupidly uninstalled firefox, so how the hell can I get it back?
[18:54] <btQuark_> flash is evil
[18:54] <Artelus> I tried searching firefox but all it gives me as a damn tar package
[18:54] <Artelus> I looked it up in add/remove and there's like 100 firefox's
[18:54] <btQuark_> -> aptitude install firefox something
[18:55] <Artelus> like...Firefox branding, Web browser
[18:55] <Artelus> Why can't this be simple?
[18:55] <Artelus> 0-.-!!!
[18:55] <Artelus> alright...installing
[18:55] <Artelus> MAN i HATe flash.
[18:56] <btQuark_> dont use it
[18:56] <Artelus> Why is the only program that can make flash files cost like...600 dollars
[18:56] <Artelus> and flash doesn't work. PERIOD
[18:56] <Artelus> and how does uninstalling flash fuck up everything in your browser?!
[18:56] <knome> !language | Artelus
[18:57] <knome> please calm down.
[18:59] <Myrtti> Artelus: you can start off from clean slate by renaming the hidden .mozilla directory in your home.
[19:00] <Myrtti> Artelus: mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_backup
[19:02] <Artelus> mv: cannot stat `/root/.mozilla': No such file or directory
[19:03] <Artelus> hold on...nvm
[19:03] <frette> lol
[19:04] <Artelus> Ok, can someone help me fix flash? >_>!!!
[19:04] <Artelus> I just need to get this thing over with so i can move on with my life
[19:05] <Artelus> how do i get flash to work? I just don't understand any of this
[19:05] <frette> just install the package flashplugin-nonfree...
[19:05] <Artelus> I did
[19:05] <Artelus> it doesn't show up in firefox...
[19:05] <Artelus> and it says it's already installed
[19:05] <Artelus> but it STILL doesn't show up on the list...
[19:05] <frette> it's called shockwave flash in firefox
[19:05] <Artelus> The only thing I see is SWFdec SWF player
[19:06] <Artelus> It's not there....even though it says instaled
[19:06] <Artelus> "Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' is already installed"
[19:07] <Artelus> I click "Ok" and "Finish" and nothing changes
[19:08] <Artelus> Wellll...?
[19:10] <btQuark_> Artelus: you should maybe think about either a little bit of rtfm or of windows or of crapple
[19:10] <Artelus> Huh? o.o
[19:10] <frette> hehe
[19:11] <Artelus> -.-
[19:11] <Artelus> Well i got nothing
[19:11] <Artelus> I guess my computer someone developed AI and won't let me move on with my life, hehe
[19:13] <TheSheep> Artelus: don't install it with firefox, install it with synaptic or apt-get
[19:14] <TheSheep> Artelus: uninstall it now, with purge, and install again
[19:14] <Artelus> That's what I did
[19:14] <Artelus> I installed it with apt-get
[19:16] <Ashliee> Hi all.
[19:16] <Ashliee> I have xubuntu installed a comptuer, and there are old windows files on it too, but on a seperate part of the computer.  Is there a way to view those easily in xubuntu?
[19:17] <TheSheep> !ntfs | Ashliee
[19:18] <Ashliee> Thanks I will open that
[19:20] <Ashliee> I'm surprised, it doesn't look like there is an option somewhere in the settings to just do this.
[19:20] <Ashliee> and downloading that script failed
[19:20] <Ashliee> so 0 for 2 today
[19:21] <Ashliee> --2009-03-14 15:21:06--  http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/scripts/diskmounter
[19:21] <Ashliee> Resolving media.ubuntu-nl.org... failed: Name or service not known.
[19:21] <Ashliee> wget: unable to resolve host address `media.ubuntu-nl.org'
[19:26] <Ashliee> i know i've seen it in the file system file manager before
[19:26] <Ashliee> dont remember how it got there
[19:27] <TheSheep> Artelus: what script?
[19:27] <TheSheep> ah
[19:27] <TheSheep> just do it manually
[19:27] <Ashliee> i was able to do it with a manual 'mount' but that just seems messy :P
[19:27] <Ashliee> any way to communicate to a windows share?
[19:27] <TheSheep> it's just a one-off thing
[19:27] <TheSheep> !samba
[19:27] <Ashliee> my goal is to take everything off that windows partition and move it to another computer
[19:28] <TheSheep> hmm...
[19:28] <TheSheep> !smb
[19:28] <SiDi> Ashliee: check for the file /etc/fstab for mounting drives
[19:28] <SiDi> you just have to add a line there in order to have your partitions automatically mounted
[19:29] <Ashliee> maybe it would be easier to share the mounted folder on the linux machine?
[19:29] <Ashliee> can windows access linux shares?
[19:30]  * SiDi officially hates Ctrl+W
[19:30] <SiDi> What are you trying to do exactly, Ashliee ?
[19:31] <SiDi> You got an external HDD that you wanna share over your network ?
[19:31] <Ashliee> noooo
[19:31] <Ashliee> I have a computer that has xubuntu on it, and an old windows partition too
[19:32] <Ashliee> the old windows partition doesn't even boot.. but all the files are still there
[19:32] <Ashliee> i want to move all those onto another networked computer
[19:32] <Ashliee> it's like 40 gigs
[19:32] <SiDi> I see
[19:33] <Ashliee> is there a way to use "mount" to mount the windows share?
[19:33] <SiDi> I personally advise using nautilus for accessing samba network :)
[19:33] <SiDi> I think there is, but i dont know how. :P Nautilus does it automatically
[19:33] <Ashliee> is there a way to do this without having to download and install 8 different things?
[19:33] <frette> there is no need for samba, it's just a dual boot machine, one single PC
[19:33] <frette> just wanted to make that clear
[19:34] <SiDi> frette: not if Ashliee wants to transfer the files to another PC on the network :p
[19:34] <Ashliee> can't i just do MOUNT \\remote_machine\folder /mnt/media/shared
[19:34] <Ashliee> or something like that?
[19:34] <frette> well, he needs to acces the files to share first :p
[19:34] <Ashliee> or share folders on the linux machine and let the winodws one access it?
[19:34] <SiDi> frette: that's already done ;P
[19:34] <frette> ah, k, sry, nvm
[19:35] <Ashliee> i already did mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/win
[19:35] <SiDi> Ashliee: i think there is a way to mount it but i absolutely dont know how, i just use nautilus (gnome's file explorer) for that
[19:35] <SiDi> it includes a very simple way for accessing windows shared folders
[19:35] <SiDi> acceeding*
[19:36] <Ashliee> i wish i had a 40 gig USB drive but i dont :P
[19:37] <SiDi> It's more simple to do it via network than to put it on an external HDD imho :P
[19:38] <Ashliee> think i got it
[19:38] <Ashliee> mount -t smbfs -o username=winntuser,password=mypassword //windowsserver/sharename /mnt/win
[19:38] <Ashliee> taken from http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/access-windows-shares-from-linux/
[19:38] <SiDi> Oo
[19:38] <SiDi> nice :P
[19:39] <frette> gz
[19:39] <SiDi> bookmarking
[19:39] <SiDi> bookmarking
[19:39] <frette> and pressing the wrong shortcut again I guess ;p
[19:40]  * SiDi hates webchats.
[19:40] <frette> SiDi, lol
[19:40] <Ashliee> I'm in mibbit
[19:40] <SiDi> seriously :(
[19:40] <SiDi> me too :P
[19:40] <Ashliee> i dont like the newer mirc versions
[19:40] <Ashliee> and i dont irc much these days
[19:40] <SiDi> i hate clicking on a link by accident, or pressing ctrl+w instead of shift+w
[19:40] <Ashliee> so it just sort of fell by the wayside
[19:40] <SiDi> i'm a big fan of xchat and irssi :P
[19:41] <_Pete_> so why dont you use them?
[19:41] <SiDi> Err, i'm on a proxified network
[19:41] <SiDi> and i dont have any serv for tunneling
[19:41] <_Pete_> right
[19:41] <Ashliee> you guys ever played LORD before?
[19:42] <SiDi> What's that ?
[19:42] <Ashliee> an old BBS Door
[19:42] <_Pete_> exactly?
[20:27] <learningitnow> hiya
[20:28] <SiDi> hiya to you too
[20:28] <learningitnow> might anyone be able to help me with configuring texmaker? http://www.xm1math.net/texmaker/
[20:29] <SiDi> Whats the error you're having while configuring ?
[20:29] <SiDi> (btw there's lyx in the repo :p)
[20:32] <learningitnow> ! DVI file can't be opened.
[20:32] <learningitnow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1095633&highlight=texmaker
[20:33] <Myrtti> I distantly remember setting it to just do pdf's
[20:33] <learningitnow> oh hey Myrtti (I replied back at #ubuntu)
[20:33] <Myrtti> noted
[20:34] <learningitnow> still a little issue, think I should manually compile the .tex file with terminal?
[20:34] <Myrtti> that's a start
[20:34] <learningitnow> I'll try that now
[20:34] <Myrtti> if it works on the terminal then you know the problem is with texmaker, not tex itself
[20:35] <learningitnow> yeah, must be something with the program paths or something
[20:35] <learningitnow> http://amath.colorado.edu/documentation/LaTeX/basics/steps/help_latex.html --> is this how you do it?
[20:35] <SiDi> you just gotta cd to the folder, type "latex filename"
[20:35] <SiDi> and it makes the dvi
[20:35] <SiDi> there also is pdflatex and htmlatex if i remember well
[20:36] <Myrtti> latex2html
[20:36] <Myrtti> well, that's one of the programs to do html
[20:36] <Myrtti> there's others as well
[20:39] <learningitnow> okay
[20:39] <learningitnow> I think I'm doing it wrong
[20:40] <learningitnow> latex tex.tex
[20:40] <learningitnow> ... can someone walk me through it?
[20:40] <learningitnow> (like from beginning commands and all?)
[20:40] <learningitnow> (wow, xubuntu is so much more quite from ubuntu)
[20:41] <SiDi> its that
[20:41] <SiDi> we have 70-80 people
[20:41] <SiDi> most of us idling or on other chans
[20:41] <learningitnow> k
[20:41] <SiDi> they have 1300-1500 users :)
[20:41] <learningitnow> can you give me the commands for compiling a latex file step by step?
[20:41] <SiDi> latex tex.tex will make tex.dvi
[20:41] <learningitnow> so
[20:41] <learningitnow> latex tex.tex
[20:42] <SiDi> do it several times, it sometimes never several compilations in order to make the table of contents complete
[20:42] <learningitnow> (I'll do it 3 more times)
[20:43] <SiDi> :P
[20:43] <learningitnow> alright, I think somethings wrong with my latex install in general
[20:43] <learningitnow> *no pages of output?*
[20:43] <SiDi> What's happening ?
[20:43] <SiDi> send me your .tex file
[20:43] <learningitnow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1095633&highlight=texmaker
[20:43] <learningitnow> thats my forum post
[20:44] <learningitnow> (on 2 different computers right now, and chatting on IRC with Xubuntu Live CD via mibbit.com) -- Ubuntu computer (whic has less ram and processing power) has texmaker
[20:46] <SiDi> Well, try with your other PC, and try as PDF aswell
[20:46] <SiDi> It could also come from an error on your file
[20:46] <SiDi> but seeing the error i doubt its the latter one :P
[20:46] <learningitnow> ah, how should I make the file?
[20:46] <learningitnow> (other PC running a live cd build -- really love install space, remember ;) )
[20:47] <SiDi> pdflatex file.tex
[20:47] <learningitnow> alright, I'll try that now
[20:50] <learningitnow> SiDi: i've updated the forum posts with logfiles of latex tex.tex and pdflatex tex.tex
[20:52] <SiDi> Can you give me the link again ?
[20:52] <SiDi> I kinda Ctrl+W'd all my tabs T.T''
[20:52] <learningitnow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1095633&highlight=texmaker -- lol it's fine
[20:54] <SiDi> Whats the last line of your latex doc ?
[20:55] <learningitnow> 1 moment
[20:55] <learningitnow> SiDi: nothing in particular: \end{document}
[20:55] <SiDi> Well, i googled a little and "no pages of output" means there's been a compiling error, and thus the file cant be rendered
[20:55] <rent0n> hi
[20:55] <SiDi> you have something wrong or missing in your file
[20:56] <SiDi> hello rent0n
[20:56] <learningitnow> hiya
[20:56] <learningitnow> hm
[20:56] <learningitnow> alright, so lets try a blank document?
[20:56] <R1cochet> hey whats the "better" hdd format over ext3?
[20:56] <Myrtti> put a section and some text on it?
[20:56] <SiDi> Good idea
[20:56] <SiDi> ext4, R1cochet
[20:56] <learningitnow> alright,
[20:56] <learningitnow> 1 moment
[20:57] <learningitnow> let's start:
[20:57] <learningitnow> :: \documentclass{article}
[20:57] <R1cochet> SiDi: theres was a different one i was thinking of thats not ext#
[20:57] <SiDi> btrfs ?
[20:57] <SiDi> it's in dev currently, meant to replace ext4
[20:57] <learningitnow> \begin{document}
[20:58] <learningitnow> (since I'm still learning latex -- whats a good way to put lorem ipsum in it?)
[20:58] <R1cochet> hmmm nope, sorry, i know im not much help
[20:58] <R1cochet> its out as we speak
[20:58] <SiDi> learningitnow: make yourself an empty latex document with just a chapter and some text, and save it as a model
[20:58] <SiDi> avoids having to remember everything
[20:58] <SiDi> R1cochet: zfs ?
[20:59] <SiDi> R1cochet: either, open gparted and watch the names of FS there :P
[20:59] <learningitnow> SiDi (sorry... I dunno how to do that [-_-])
[20:59] <learningitnow> I was gonna read a tutorial to learn from scratch, but my texmaker install couldn't generate PDF files -- so I'm hear now ...
[21:00] <SiDi> I always directly compiled by hand, and wrote my files with gedit
[21:00] <R1cochet> i think that was it zfs, heard its better than ext3 but u need to do something b4 u can install xubuntu on a zfs drive?
[21:00] <SiDi> gedit has a latex plugin
[21:01] <SiDi> R1cochet: no idea. I always used ext2/3
[21:01] <R1cochet> SiDi: is ext3 that much better than ext2?
[21:02] <SiDi> R1cochet: yes
[21:02] <R1cochet> ok
[21:02] <SiDi> http://www.2shared.com/file/5082426/3ff5fca1/RezTorrentChap1tar.html learningitnow tell me if this compiles
[21:02] <SiDi> learningitnow: you might require the whole texlive suit tho, i use a ton of plugins :P
[21:02] <SiDi> !fs
[21:02] <SiDi> !cookies
[21:03] <learningitnow> BLEHH [-___-]
[21:03] <learningitnow> it was how I did my fomatting
[21:03] <learningitnow> \documentclass{article} \begin{document} hiya \end{document} works
[21:03] <SiDi> hehe :)
[21:03] <learningitnow> wait
[21:03] <learningitnow> that means
[21:03] <SiDi> R1cochet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
[21:04] <SiDi> R1cochet: atm you should use ext3. You can go for ext4 if you want, once jaunty is out.
[21:04] <learningitnow> there's something wrong with texmaker's quick setup http://www.xm1math.net/texmaker/doc.html#SECTION1
[21:04] <learningitnow> \documentclass[10pt,a4paper]{article} \usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc} \usepackage{ucs} \author{} \begin{document}  \end{document}
[21:04] <SiDi> should mail them then :)
[21:05] <SiDi> it seems ok to me
[21:05] <learningitnow> what's wrong with that ... -- ohh ... \userpackage[utf8x] --> I don't think that'll work?
[21:05] <SiDi> you're probably missing latex plugins such as inputenc
[21:05] <SiDi> you should install the whole texlive thingy
[21:05] <SiDi> "sudo apt-get install texlive-full" but it takes a lot of space ;P
[21:06] <SiDi> now if you dont mind, i'm leaving :) good night people
[21:07] <learningitnow> wait
[21:07] <learningitnow> waitttt
[21:07] <learningitnow> nooo
[21:07] <rent0n> ;D
[21:08] <learningitnow> okay ...
[21:08] <learningitnow> DVI -> PS doesn't work [-_-]
[21:09] <learningitnow> clear
[21:09] <learningitnow> okay
[21:09] <learningitnow> I need an opinion
[21:10] <learningitnow> I've got a Compaq Deskpro EN 1.0 GHz 384MB machine right now; I'm running Ubuntu intrepid
[21:10] <learningitnow> once Jaunty is released, should I upgrade to Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[21:10] <learningitnow> (XFCE 4.6 is indeed quite impressive to me)
[21:12] <rent0n> Well on a 384 MB machine i would prefer xubuntu
[21:12] <Happy-Dude> so, xubuntu or ubuntu on that old machine?
[21:12] <Happy-Dude> (changed names -- refreshed cache)
[21:12] <Happy-Dude> yeah, thats what I'm saying too
[21:13] <Happy-Dude> but Ubuntu doesn't run terribly on that either
[21:13] <Happy-Dude> it might just be Firefox (since I mostly browse like 10+ tabs at 1 moment)
[21:13] <rent0n> yes but xubuntu is much better on slow machine in my opinion
[21:13] <rent0n> i run xubuntu on a 2GB RAM laptop
[21:13] <Happy-Dude> (and also on fast machines ;) )
[21:13] <Happy-Dude> I'm running a LiveCD on my main PC
[21:15] <rent0n> Xubuntu is grat for modern machines but it's great for old PC (much better than ubuntu)
[21:15] <Ashliee> DOS 6 ftw
[21:15] <rent0n> Anyways for example i run a minimal Ubuntu + Openbox on a 256 MB laptop
[21:15] <Happy-Dude> alright, how do I upgrade, with all my packages/ files intact? (any precautions and stuff like that?)
[21:15] <rent0n> and that's great
[21:16] <Happy-Dude> would this be the way to do it ? http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[21:18] <rent0n> If i were you i will install a freshly new xubuntu jaaunty jackalope
[21:19] <rent0n> anyways that's an alternative
[21:19] <rent0n> do  that before upgrading
[21:20] <Happy-Dude> rent0n: if I were to do a *fresh* install, how would I retain my packages and such?
[21:20] <Happy-Dude> (like, settings, files, etc?)
[21:21] <rent0n> I think there's not an happy way to do that
[21:21] <rent0n> You can just make a backup of files and of your home folder
[21:21] <Happy-Dude> so, I believe upgrade would be the way to go, no?
[21:21] <rent0n> and then add them to the freshly installed xubuntu jaunty
[21:22] <Happy-Dude> (how do I backup a list of my packages?)
[21:23] <rent0n> ph yes
[21:23] <rent0n> there's a way i know
[21:23] <rent0n> but i can't remember it
[21:23] <rent0n> maybe google can help you that way
[21:24] <rent0n> chech thid out: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-reinstall-all-of-currently-installed-packages-in-fresh-ubuntu-install.html#more-936
[21:27] <rent0n> Happy-Dude?
[21:28] <Happy-Dude> ah that works
[21:28] <Happy-Dude> (was backing it up)
[21:28] <Happy-Dude> thou
[21:29] <Happy-Dude> wait, nvm let me try it first
[21:29] <Happy-Dude> (installing tetex-full like SiDi said to)
[21:29] <Happy-Dude> so synaptic markings backup will have ot wait
[21:30] <Happy-Dude> how is XFCE 4.6 compared to the latest GNOME?
[21:31] <Happy-Dude> rent0n: might there be a way I can just upgrade with the Jaunty CD ? (since I do have quite a few file settings and such)
[21:32] <rent0n> Uhm i don't know i'm sorry
[21:32] <rent0n> I'm not so expert in upgrading
[21:32] <rent0n> anyway you've got 2 possibilites
[21:33] <rent0n> 1. Backup data, home folder and packages
[21:33] <rent0n> then install xubuntu jaunty
[21:34] <rent0n> 2. Upgrade to jaunty, remove gnome and install xfce
[21:34] <rent0n> 3. remove gnome, install xfce and upgrade to jaunty
[21:34] <rent0n> ;)
[21:34] <Happy-Dude> I think path 3 might be the best for me
[21:34] <Happy-Dude> but
[21:35] <Happy-Dude> path 1 will yeild the best results; think I might just write my settings on paper :D ?
[21:35] <rent0n> that's hard to restore =)
[21:36] <Happy-Dude> tough luck, I guess (FEBE for firefox got this covered, my firewall is firestarter)
[21:36] <Happy-Dude> ermmm ... I dunno, now that I'm looking at my apps
[21:38] <Happy-Dude> as of now, waiting for jaunty, upgrade, uninstall gnome, install xfce
[21:40] <Ashliee> does mandrake even exist anymore?  and does it still use kde?
[21:40] <rent0n> Now the call it Mandrivia
[21:41] <Ashliee> ah
[21:41] <Happy-Dude> Mandriva is commercial, no?
[21:42] <rent0n> uhm?
[21:42] <rent0n> what do you mean?
[21:42] <rent0n> I dunno.
[21:43] <rent0n> I know for ure you can use it exactly like you use ubuntu on your desktop/laptop
[21:44] <Happy-Dude> question: how do I clear my apt-get cache? sudo apt-get clear/autoremove/purge/clean?
[22:10] <rocko> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/03/google-begins-behavioral-targeting-ad-program
[22:12] <TheSheep> rocko: wrong channel
[22:14] <rocko> whoops
[22:14] <rocko> sorry
[22:48] <arktvrvs> how can i put the xfce menu in the desktop-right-click instead of up on the top panel?
[22:53] <TheSheep> arktvrvs: in desktop settings
[22:53] <TheSheep> arktvrvs: you can have both
[22:54] <arktvrvs> oohh whew.. excellent
[22:55] <arktvrvs> thanks
[23:32] <Gadu> ﻿hey, i'm trying to customize my xubuntu livecd for on-the-go (and showing off) using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[23:32] <Gadu> ﻿however, i can't seem to find the config files for default desktop background and customizing panel
[23:32] <Gadu> ﻿could someone point me to the directory these files would be located?