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_Groo_gotta go now.. seeya all later00:01
vorianbye :)00:02
_Groo_amarok 2.1 with taglib extras is being build as we speak00:02
_Groo_after a few tests im gonna probably release it in my PPA along taglib-extras00:02
_Groo_seeya00:03
vorianJontheEchidna: are you working on the i18n stuff?00:09
JontheEchidnanope00:09
vorianis anyone?00:09
JontheEchidnaI dun think so00:09
dtchenvorian is!00:09
vorianlooks that away00:09
dtcheni'll trade ya ;-)00:10
vorianno thanks!00:10
dtchenaww00:10
vorianI can only guess its some crazy sound issue00:10
dtchenhow did you guess?!00:10
vorianJontheEchidna told me00:11
JontheEchidnaI did?00:11
dtchenJontheEchidna is handling the i18n stuff? awesome!00:11
vorianJontheEchidna: just playing wrt you00:11
JontheEchidnalol00:11
JontheEchidnaapachelogger sent out an email about the kde3 i18n packages being broken00:11
vorianWAIT00:11
voriandoes this mean 20,000 rosetta spams again?00:12
JontheEchidnayeah...00:12
vorianawesome00:13
voriani'll have over a million karma!00:13
JontheEchidnathat's the spirit!00:14
ScottKParticularly since vorian's our Ruby expert now.00:23
ryanakcavorian: You taking care of it?00:24
vorianI can ...00:24
ryanakcaIf not... *twiddle*00:24
vorianhavent really settled on it yet00:25
voriantwiddle?00:25
* ryanakca is wondering if he should take a stab at it00:25
ryanakcaDunno if it would be much use, I don't have upload rights...00:26
dtchenlacking upload rights should not be a deterrent00:26
dtchen(e.g., i allowed my main upload rights to expire, but it hasn't stopped me from patching and doing other evil things)00:27
ryanakcaWoah, 430MB00:28
vorianryanakca: so, interested?00:33
ryanakcavorian: Yes. But, I don't think I'll have time to get it done before tomorrow night... it wont finish downloading until after I go to bed... and I'm gone skiing tomorrow. So, if it's a >=medium priority task, someone else would probably want to take it.00:35
vorianryanakca: tell you what, i'll keep a list of what I get done00:36
ryanakcavorian: *nod*00:37
ryanakcavorian: where is configkde defined?00:57
voriandebian/rules01:01
vorianryanakca: ^01:01
ryanakcavorian: found it, debian/debianrules01:01
vorianryanakca: ok, i got -el, -ef, -hsb done01:04
* vorian helps the wife with sick kids now01:05
ryanakcavorian: I've got a small shell script in the process... *pats find*01:05
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: Is it for intrepid or jaunty?01:17
JontheEchidnaJaunty, though I suppose it would also affect Intrepid01:17
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: Ok, I've got my script running away and making the changes... where should I stick everything once it's done... I don't have upload rights to the archives... but I can make a pile of debdiffs if you want...01:20
JontheEchidnahmm....01:20
JontheEchidnathat would probably be best01:20
JontheEchidnaI wonder if it would be possible to diff the entire directory full of patched i10n's01:21
JontheEchidnaThen I extract all o' the tarballs, apply the one patch, sign/build the source packages then spend the afternoon uploading01:22
JontheEchidnawow, this will really be a pain :D01:23
* JontheEchidna wishes for apachelogger and his almight ruby skillz01:23
JontheEchidnamaybe per-package debdiffs would be best, I dunno01:24
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: Could do that. Or I could make debdiffs, and you just use `find . -name <something>-0ubuntu2.dsc -exec <command to apply the debdiff> {} \;'01:24
ryanakcaMy script is at es at the moment.01:24
ryanakca19/7101:25
JontheEchidnaI must admit shell scripting is probably one of my biggest weaknesses01:26
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: I'll be back in a bit. Just keep checking for http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/debdiffs.tar.gz in 20 minutes or so...01:37
* Tonio_ is getting sick of those ksmserver crashes....01:39
Tonio_ksmserver[32669]: segfault at 4 ip b6937f46 sp b36cc7b0 error 4 in libQtDBus.so.4.5.001:39
Tonio_already happened twice today.....01:39
Tonio_am I the only one having this problem ?01:40
JontheEchidnaTonio_: bug 332811 also is a ksmserver crash in qtbus, and it has 7 dupes so I guess not01:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332811 in kdebase-workspace "ksmserver crashed with SIGSEGV in <signal handler called>()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33281101:49
JontheEchidnathough I can't say I have the bug that I know of01:49
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: uploaded01:49
Tonio_JontheEchidna: hum okay I'll investigate that one.... it's really boring....01:50
JontheEchidnaryanakca: I'll probably have to start tomorrow, I'm leaving in 10 minutes or so01:52
JontheEchidnaMaybe I could get a few up though01:52
* ryanakca splutters and thinks his script might have !@#$'d up.01:52
ryanakcaNevermind. I'm sure I didn't add those lines, they must've been added during debuild -S -sa01:54
ryanakca... but it would be wise to double check everything :)01:54
JontheEchidnaeek, we gotta make changes outside the debian dir?01:55
JontheEchidnaI am so glad we do not use autotools in KDE401:56
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: no, I updated debian/debianrules, and it looks like debuild copied the changes to debian/debiandirs.01:57
JontheEchidnaI should probably revert the changes then01:58
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: I'm not sure if we need to, because both files have a configkde ...01:58
JontheEchidna(the ones inside admin/debianrules)01:58
ryanakcadebian/debiandirs: debian/debianrules perl -w debian/debianrules echodirs > debian/debiandirs02:00
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: there's a new line just before the perl bit... looks like debiandirs is autogenerated... so if we want to keep the configkde changes, looks like we have to stick it in debianrules, if we only leave it in debiandirs, it'll get erased.02:01
JontheEchidnaBut we have changes in admin/debianrules too, which is outside of debian/ completely02:01
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: Ah, yes. I see what you mean. I think my script made a booboo.02:03
ryanakcaI'll erase it, restart it, and you should be able to redownload in an hour or so if everything goes fine.02:03
JontheEchidnaI will definitely not be here in an hour though :(02:03
JontheEchidnaoh well, can't be helped02:04
ryanakcanope.02:04
JontheEchidnaGood night02:04
ryanakcaNight :)02:04
DaskreeCh-sunNIght02:06
crimsunoops, sorry02:53
ScottKwelcome back crimsun.  Long time no see ....02:57
crimsunerr, d'oh02:57
crimsunspeaking of which, i have a rather nasty bug (PulseAudio spamming syslog, filling /var/log) that I have fixed that could use a main sponsor...02:58
ScottKSorry.  Just off to bed.02:58
crimsunok, 'night!02:58
ScottKGood night.02:58
macoTonio_: i figured out the dimap problem04:47
Tonio_maco: ah ?04:47
Tonio_maco: which was ?04:47
macoif i read it while it's syncing, it doesn't know i read it04:48
macobecause it sends info first, then it pulls04:48
macoif i read after it sends and before it pulls, the pull unmarks the read status04:49
macoso i set it to sync every 10 minutes instead of every 5, and it works04:49
freeflyingqt-4.5+kde-4.2.1 seems have a lot problems, 1 redrwaw, 2 gwenviewer can not open those file exist in a dir whose name is in chinese, 3 some applications's title bar can not display chinese04:50
macobasically just because i have a higher chance of finishing reading before it tries to sync again04:50
DaSkreechWhy does gwenrename conoflict with gwenview ?04:58
DaSkreechconflict04:58
macoTonio_: are you using quassel?05:29
Tonio_hum yes :)05:29
macoTonio_: ok obvously you are since your join says it :P05:29
macodo you notice that you can type faster than quassel will display teh text in the text bos/05:29
maco*box?05:30
Tonio_true that :) and I join on a regular basis since my ksmserver uses to crash so often...05:30
maco(not being able to see the text as fast as i type is why i make so many typos when i use quassel)05:30
macoit seems to always be 2 or 3 words behind me05:30
Tonio_maco: I noticed that quassel has proformances issues, and also that there is no way to clean up the database that grows and grows....05:30
Tonio_maco: I hope this'll get fixed with next updates...05:31
Tonio_in the text selection box it seems to be pretty realtime for me btw...05:31
Tonio_maco: my performances issues are more with scrolling...05:31
macoi type between 75 and 90 wpm and it cant keep up too well. sometimes it's realtime and sometimes it lags05:32
Tonio_that's pretty strange, since I'm also typing pretty fast and never experienced something like this...05:34
Tonio_dunno what to say to be honnest :)05:34
Tonio_have you tried to cleanup your configuration ?05:34
Tonio_that could be a very specific local problem I guess...05:35
Tonio_anywa, I really have to go bed.... it's 6h30 am here....05:35
Tonio_damn, I shoul already be slipping...05:36
DaSkreech:-D05:36
macoTonio_: i only started using quassel like 3 days ago05:40
macoits been like this the whole time05:40
Tonio_maco: weird.....05:40
Tonio_maco: I'll ask if anyone else has the issue.... btw I *really* go to sleep this time :)05:41
Tonio_seya05:41
macohaha good night05:41
a|wenvorian: i can see you started on kde-i18n packages ... do you have a list which done vs. not done or should i just take those that i find?07:23
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ryanakcaa|wen: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/debdiffs.tar.gz , they're all done, I just don't have upload rights.10:56
a|wenryanakca: oh cool; then it is just to start uploading11:00
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: The new debdiffs look sane here. You can probably tar zxf them, use find or something to apply them... If you need to rerun debuild on all of them, ``for i in kde-i18n-*-3.5.9/; do cd $i; debuild -S -sa; cd ..; done'' ... and then I think you can just dput kde-i18n*0ubuntu3_source.changes. You can find the script I used at ryanak.ca/~ryan/kde-i18n-script if you want to pull stuff from it to apply debdiffs11:00
ryanakcaa|wen: Yes.11:00
apacheloggerdoes anyone have any opinion about us making air the default plasma theme for 9.04? ;-)11:18
Tm_TI do have an opinion, go for it, just to see the reactions (;)11:19
jussi01apachelogger: yes please? :D11:19
* jussi01 wonders what the downsides might be...11:20
* apachelogger just noticed that he deleted his kde svn checkout to prevent him from doing such a thing11:20
* Tm_T is using modified "Droid" theme atm11:20
apacheloggerwhat does that look like?11:20
Tm_Tdark opaque with clear statuses in taskbar and narrow borders11:21
* jussi01 uses oxygen and silicon for the desktop11:21
apacheloggerhm11:21
apacheloggerTm_T: not using air as wallpaper I suppose?11:21
Tm_Tapachelogger: no, never11:22
apachelogger*nod*11:22
* apachelogger thinks it doesn't fit well with oxygen either11:22
apacheloggersomehow the non-opaque blue clashes with the air blue11:22
Tm_Tlooks like this here:  http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png11:23
apacheloggerneato11:24
Tm_Twell, without my modifications that is, they're WIP so wouldn't like to show 'em yet11:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: can you please kill ther notes plasmoid in kds11:25
jussi01heres mine; http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20090315-132443-snapshot5.png11:25
apacheloggerit is disturbing my translated kde and makes kubuntu look even more untranslated :P11:25
a|wenryanakca / JontheEchidna: i'm giving the whole kdei18n batch a shot ... should be able to be done with as little human intervention as possible11:25
apacheloggerjussi01: so, how did you get the network plasmoid to work?11:26
apacheloggerfor some reason it never authenticates here11:26
apacheloggermight also be due to my lib mess11:26
jussi01apachelogger: works out of the box on jaunty...11:27
jussi01and its great :)11:27
apacheloggermaybe I should reinstall then11:27
jussi01maybe...11:29
apacheloggerwaaaah11:29
apacheloggerx garbage again11:30
apacheloggerclaydoh: pling11:31
Stecchinois KDE 4.2.1 available for 8.10?11:31
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: and while you are killing the notes plasmoid, also add air (trunk/playground/base/plasma/desktoptheme/air) as default theme :P11:34
cumulus007Air in Kubuntu? ooh11:44
cumulus007Does anyone know the answer to this:11:45
cumulus007http://forum.kde.org/kde-trunk-building-problems-t-38430.html11:45
apacheloggercumulus007: wait11:49
cumulus007okay11:50
cumulus007aren't you a bot, apachelogger?11:50
apacheloggersomeone broke the syntax in that file11:50
cumulus007I see11:50
apacheloggeror you could fix it11:50
cumulus007there is a ; missing11:50
apacheloggerbut I would leave it broken and poke whoever broke it in the eye11:50
cumulus007let's go to #kde-devel then :P11:50
apacheloggerfirst ask svn who is to blame :P11:51
* Tm_T slaps cumulus007 11:54
cumulus007auch11:54
apacheloggerNightrose: ktorrent also uses an old version of our release script :D11:56
apacheloggerit seems all of extragear did, without us even knowing .p11:57
apacheloggerStecchino:      4:4.2.1a-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 011:58
apachelogger        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Packages11:58
apacheloggerStecchino: through some ppa it seems11:58
a|wenStecchino: it is in ~kubuntu-experimental PPA11:59
cumulus007are there plans to package KDE 4.3 trunk for Kubuntu?12:00
Tm_Tcumulus007: not that I know, not yet atleast12:00
Tm_Twe prolly should wait for beta releases or so12:00
cumulus007okay12:00
Tm_Tas it's currently under heavy work, not suitable for packaging IMO12:01
apacheloggersomeone could fix neon, then we would have trunk for kubuntu .P12:32
QuintasanJontheEchidna: Do you have QtCurve 0.62 packages or I should make em myself?12:44
ScottKQuintasan: It's been uploaded.12:44
QuintasanTo where?12:45
ScottKUbuntu.  Some bits of it got stuck in New.   It's not clear to me why.12:45
Quintasanok, I guess I will wait12:46
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: lol13:08
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: apparently we would need to backport some theming code from 4.3 too, or else the circley backgrounds wouldn't appear13:09
* apachelogger can live without them :P13:10
apacheloggerbut eventually a backport should be considered13:10
* ScottK considers It's almost beta time and our record with last minute code backports isn't so hot.13:39
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vorianis there a way to set one wallpaper for dual screens?14:33
* vorian is a noob14:33
JontheEchidnavorian: xinerama or dual head?15:04
JontheEchidnaIf it's two separate X servers I don't think Plasma really supports that...15:04
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vorianJontheEchidna: figured out another way http://machine-crusade.net/snapshot1.png15:14
JontheEchidnacut the wallpaper in half?15:14
vorianyes15:14
JontheEchidnaYou're lucky if you got dual head working without xinerama/twinview or something similar15:15
vorianI use twinview15:16
JontheEchidnaah, that explains it15:16
vorianit's no biggie15:19
* vorian feels like packaging up trunk15:20
* jussi01 grumbles that triple head is still not supported... :(15:20
jussi01and the #kwin guys are getting sick of me grumbling about that...15:21
knusperfroschgot i386 laptop i never installed linux before. tried alpha6 on it. cd checked, no errors. blank screen, mouse pointer is present and works but no desktop. .xsession-errors says plasma+kded might have crashed15:23
* ScottK thought Xinerama was totally deprecated now.15:25
JontheEchidnaknusperfrosch: there was a Plasma crash-on-startup that was fixed yesterday. That's probably the crash you were experiencing15:27
Nightrosevorian: wanna package ical (iirc that is what is missing) so neon can get build again? pretty please? ;-)15:29
vorianNightrose: sure15:29
Nightrose\o/15:29
Nightroseapachelogger: ^15:29
knusperfroschJontheEchidna: so that might be worth noting on the known issues list?15:29
JontheEchidnamaybe15:30
JontheEchidnadunno how widespread the bug is though15:30
apacheloggervorian: I'd just need some monolithic package stuffing everything to /opt/project-neon/15:30
knusperfroschis there a fixed iso, so i can test it?15:31
apacheloggerhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/KubuntuOptimization <-- that needs $update15:31
vorianwhich ical is it?15:32
JontheEchidnaI can haz sponsor for bug 342473?15:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 342473 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.62.2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34247315:35
apacheloggervorian: latest libical15:35
JontheEchidna(gtk2-engines-qtcurve)15:35
* apachelogger is wondering how to get upstart not to start all ttys15:35
apacheloggerah, neato ... just kill the files and run stop ttyN15:37
vorianah, for intrepid15:40
* vorian is slow, as usual15:40
jjesse_morning16:17
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a|wenhi jjesse_16:17
jjesseanyone have any problems installing jaunty alpha6 in vmware?  ubiquiry crashes for me16:19
jjessealong with having nothing but a black screen in the livecd version16:19
jjessei can still run applications through alt+f2 (krunner) but nothing else16:19
jjesseis that because of plasma crashing or something?16:20
a|wenjjesse: very likely ... others are complaining about plasma crashes (and one was fixed after the alpha was out)16:23
vorianI just did a fresh install of alpha 6 this morning w/no problems16:24
vorianalbeit, a real install16:24
a|wenmay be a problem only on certain graphic cards?16:25
voriancould be16:25
* vorian uses nvidia16:25
jjessehrmm trying again16:35
jjessenope it fails16:35
jjessegenerated an apport crash that i reported16:38
a|wenryanakca: uploading all your kde-i18n-* now (minus those that vorian already fixed)18:08
* vorian watches buildd machines asplode18:09
vorianrgreening: get ready for a billion emails18:09
a|wentranslation emails, or?18:10
vorianyep18:10
a|wenall kde3 packages times 68 languages, hmm18:10
a|wensome of the kde-i18n packages complains about "no english docs found in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/"; we don't build those any more for kde3 do we?19:04
etankjjesse: ping19:13
etankjjesse: unping19:16
a|wenhmm, kdelibs-data does not install anything in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/ anymore but many of the kde-i18n packages needs that content (or at least want it at build time); and there seems to be no way to specify not to build the html-docs19:23
a|wenapachelogger / Riddell: you might have the best idea what to do ^^19:23
jjesseetank: pong19:25
jjesseyay just updated my jaunty system and now i have plasma working correctly19:25
etankjjesse: pm?19:26
jjesseetank: sure19:26
JontheEchidnajjesse: Oh good, that means the fix worked :)19:30
jjesseyay19:31
jjessenow i can finish some documentation work19:31
apacheloggera|wen: possibly we have to hack the autohell stuff19:33
a|wenapachelogger: do we want to install anything into /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/ at all?19:33
Riddella|wen: do we need kde-i18n any more?19:45
a|wenRiddell: that is a good question... as a lot of people were looking at fixing them to build i supposed there was a reason19:46
a|wenbut right now i can't actually see a particular reason for keeping them19:47
Riddellkdevelop translations I  seem to mind19:47
a|wenahh, of course ... but do we want anything in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/ ?19:48
Riddellno19:50
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a|wenokay; so we just need to get autohell to ignore the docs-dir19:53
ScottKwoh.  amarok built on powerpc....19:54
a|wenRiddell: do you know how to re-run autohell in those packages?19:57
jjessedoes the resource migration tool start everytime now in jaunty or should it just start the first time?19:58
Riddellmake -f debian/rules buildprep ?20:00
a|wenRiddell: *** No rule to make target `buildprep'20:01
Riddellmake admin/Makefile.common ?20:03
a|wenmight be better; it gives me an error still "bin/bash: /home/jr/src/3.5.9/i18n/new/kde-i18n-da-3.5.9/missing: No such file or directory"20:07
a|wenwhich one of the multitude of files there do i actually want to edit in?20:08
a|wenmake -f did the trick20:15
jjessewelcome back raphink20:32
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jjesseok in jaunty, under the systems settings -> printers how would i enable a remote printer?20:48
jjessehrmm i guess that would be a new local printer on a remote windows share for example?20:55
jjesseif so that doesnt make the most sense20:56
Riddelljjesse: new local printer maybe20:57
Riddellthe code ythere needs tidying up  as you've noticed20:58
jjesseyeah working on documentation today as you might have noticed :)20:59
Riddelljjesse: the printer UI has tidying up to do and probably lots of bugs to fix so don't set that part in stone yet21:06
apacheloggerNightrose: pling21:18
Nightroseapachelogger: plong21:18
apacheloggerNightrose: why is amarok distributing hell old translations? :P21:18
Nightrosebecause i didn't know there were hell old translations? ;-)21:19
apacheloggerno release dudette cookies for you then :P21:20
Nightrose*sob*21:20
apacheloggerthe launchpad complain is rather weird anyway21:21
apacheloggerbug report: "your product is broken and annoying me with pointless mails"21:21
Nightrose*g*21:21
Nightrose"it's b0rked - fix it - kthxbie"21:21
apacheloggeranyway, gotta go21:21
apacheloggernini21:22
Nightrosenini21:22
apacheloggerNightrose: something like that ;-)21:22
Nightrose;-)21:22
claydoh_dang missed apachelogger21:33
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jjesseRiddell: i won't set it in stone yet for printers22:02
a|wenyay! all kde-i18n-* now built!22:07
ScottKNCommander: If you have time to investigate ports issues, kdebase on powerpc could use some love.22:12
ScottKAnyone know how to set arch specific build flags for cmake?22:13
EagleScreenthere are a snapshot of Konversation for KDE422:16
ryanakcaa|wen: awesome, yay! Email! :)22:22
ryanakcaa|wen: Crud. There are some failures on i386.22:24
jjessehow would one best describe PolicyKit Authorizations under System Settings in Jaunty?  "you use it to control how policykit functions?"  anything else23:22
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