[00:01] <_Groo_> gotta go now.. seeya all later
[00:02] <vorian> bye :)
[00:02] <_Groo_> amarok 2.1 with taglib extras is being build as we speak
[00:02] <_Groo_> after a few tests im gonna probably release it in my PPA along taglib-extras
[00:03] <_Groo_> seeya
[00:09] <vorian> JontheEchidna: are you working on the i18n stuff?
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> nope
[00:09] <vorian> is anyone?
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> I dun think so
[00:09] <dtchen> vorian is!
[00:09] <vorian> looks that away
[00:10] <dtchen> i'll trade ya ;-)
[00:10] <vorian> no thanks!
[00:10] <dtchen> aww
[00:10] <vorian> I can only guess its some crazy sound issue
[00:10] <dtchen> how did you guess?!
[00:11] <vorian> JontheEchidna told me
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> I did?
[00:11] <dtchen> JontheEchidna is handling the i18n stuff? awesome!
[00:11] <vorian> JontheEchidna: just playing wrt you
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger sent out an email about the kde3 i18n packages being broken
[00:11] <vorian> WAIT
[00:12] <vorian> does this mean 20,000 rosetta spams again?
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[00:13] <vorian> awesome
[00:13] <vorian> i'll have over a million karma!
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> that's the spirit!
[00:23] <ScottK> Particularly since vorian's our Ruby expert now.
[00:24] <ryanakca> vorian: You taking care of it?
[00:24] <vorian> I can ...
[00:24] <ryanakca> If not... *twiddle*
[00:25] <vorian> havent really settled on it yet
[00:25] <vorian> twiddle?
[00:25]  * ryanakca is wondering if he should take a stab at it
[00:26] <ryanakca> Dunno if it would be much use, I don't have upload rights...
[00:26] <dtchen> lacking upload rights should not be a deterrent
[00:27] <dtchen> (e.g., i allowed my main upload rights to expire, but it hasn't stopped me from patching and doing other evil things)
[00:28] <ryanakca> Woah, 430MB
[00:33] <vorian> ryanakca: so, interested?
[00:35] <ryanakca> vorian: Yes. But, I don't think I'll have time to get it done before tomorrow night... it wont finish downloading until after I go to bed... and I'm gone skiing tomorrow. So, if it's a >=medium priority task, someone else would probably want to take it.
[00:36] <vorian> ryanakca: tell you what, i'll keep a list of what I get done
[00:37] <ryanakca> vorian: *nod*
[00:57] <ryanakca> vorian: where is configkde defined?
[01:01] <vorian> debian/rules
[01:01] <vorian> ryanakca: ^
[01:01] <ryanakca> vorian: found it, debian/debianrules
[01:04] <vorian> ryanakca: ok, i got -el, -ef, -hsb done
[01:05]  * vorian helps the wife with sick kids now
[01:05] <ryanakca> vorian: I've got a small shell script in the process... *pats find*
[01:17] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Is it for intrepid or jaunty?
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> Jaunty, though I suppose it would also affect Intrepid
[01:20] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Ok, I've got my script running away and making the changes... where should I stick everything once it's done... I don't have upload rights to the archives... but I can make a pile of debdiffs if you want...
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> hmm....
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> that would probably be best
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if it would be possible to diff the entire directory full of patched i10n's
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> Then I extract all o' the tarballs, apply the one patch, sign/build the source packages then spend the afternoon uploading
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> wow, this will really be a pain :D
[01:23]  * JontheEchidna wishes for apachelogger and his almight ruby skillz
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> maybe per-package debdiffs would be best, I dunno
[01:24] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Could do that. Or I could make debdiffs, and you just use `find . -name <something>-0ubuntu2.dsc -exec <command to apply the debdiff> {} \;'
[01:24] <ryanakca> My script is at es at the moment.
[01:25] <ryanakca> 19/71
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> I must admit shell scripting is probably one of my biggest weaknesses
[01:37] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: I'll be back in a bit. Just keep checking for http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/debdiffs.tar.gz in 20 minutes or so...
[01:39]  * Tonio_ is getting sick of those ksmserver crashes....
[01:39] <Tonio_> ksmserver[32669]: segfault at 4 ip b6937f46 sp b36cc7b0 error 4 in libQtDBus.so.4.5.0
[01:39] <Tonio_> already happened twice today.....
[01:40] <Tonio_> am I the only one having this problem ?
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: bug 332811 also is a ksmserver crash in qtbus, and it has 7 dupes so I guess not
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> though I can't say I have the bug that I know of
[01:49] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: uploaded
[01:50] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum okay I'll investigate that one.... it's really boring....
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: I'll probably have to start tomorrow, I'm leaving in 10 minutes or so
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> Maybe I could get a few up though
[01:52]  * ryanakca splutters and thinks his script might have !@#$'d up.
[01:54] <ryanakca> Nevermind. I'm sure I didn't add those lines, they must've been added during debuild -S -sa
[01:54] <ryanakca> ... but it would be wise to double check everything :)
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> eek, we gotta make changes outside the debian dir?
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> I am so glad we do not use autotools in KDE4
[01:57] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: no, I updated debian/debianrules, and it looks like debuild copied the changes to debian/debiandirs.
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> I should probably revert the changes then
[01:58] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: I'm not sure if we need to, because both files have a configkde ...
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> (the ones inside admin/debianrules)
[02:00] <ryanakca> debian/debiandirs: debian/debianrules perl -w debian/debianrules echodirs > debian/debiandirs
[02:01] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: there's a new line just before the perl bit... looks like debiandirs is autogenerated... so if we want to keep the configkde changes, looks like we have to stick it in debianrules, if we only leave it in debiandirs, it'll get erased.
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> But we have changes in admin/debianrules too, which is outside of debian/ completely
[02:03] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Ah, yes. I see what you mean. I think my script made a booboo.
[02:03] <ryanakca> I'll erase it, restart it, and you should be able to redownload in an hour or so if everything goes fine.
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> I will definitely not be here in an hour though :(
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> oh well, can't be helped
[02:04] <ryanakca> nope.
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> Good night
[02:04] <ryanakca> Night :)
[02:06] <DaskreeCh-sun> NIght
[02:53] <crimsun> oops, sorry
[02:57] <ScottK> welcome back crimsun.  Long time no see ....
[02:57] <crimsun> err, d'oh
[02:58] <crimsun> speaking of which, i have a rather nasty bug (PulseAudio spamming syslog, filling /var/log) that I have fixed that could use a main sponsor...
[02:58] <ScottK> Sorry.  Just off to bed.
[02:58] <crimsun> ok, 'night!
[02:58] <ScottK> Good night.
[04:47] <maco> Tonio_: i figured out the dimap problem
[04:47] <Tonio_> maco: ah ?
[04:47] <Tonio_> maco: which was ?
[04:48] <maco> if i read it while it's syncing, it doesn't know i read it
[04:48] <maco> because it sends info first, then it pulls
[04:49] <maco> if i read after it sends and before it pulls, the pull unmarks the read status
[04:49] <maco> so i set it to sync every 10 minutes instead of every 5, and it works
[04:50] <freeflying> qt-4.5+kde-4.2.1 seems have a lot problems, 1 redrwaw, 2 gwenviewer can not open those file exist in a dir whose name is in chinese, 3 some applications's title bar can not display chinese
[04:50] <maco> basically just because i have a higher chance of finishing reading before it tries to sync again
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Why does gwenrename conoflict with gwenview ?
[04:58] <DaSkreech> conflict
[05:29] <maco> Tonio_: are you using quassel?
[05:29] <Tonio_> hum yes :)
[05:29] <maco> Tonio_: ok obvously you are since your join says it :P
[05:29] <maco> do you notice that you can type faster than quassel will display teh text in the text bos/
[05:30] <maco> *box?
[05:30] <Tonio_> true that :) and I join on a regular basis since my ksmserver uses to crash so often...
[05:30] <maco> (not being able to see the text as fast as i type is why i make so many typos when i use quassel)
[05:30] <maco> it seems to always be 2 or 3 words behind me
[05:30] <Tonio_> maco: I noticed that quassel has proformances issues, and also that there is no way to clean up the database that grows and grows....
[05:31] <Tonio_> maco: I hope this'll get fixed with next updates...
[05:31] <Tonio_> in the text selection box it seems to be pretty realtime for me btw...
[05:31] <Tonio_> maco: my performances issues are more with scrolling...
[05:32] <maco> i type between 75 and 90 wpm and it cant keep up too well. sometimes it's realtime and sometimes it lags
[05:34] <Tonio_> that's pretty strange, since I'm also typing pretty fast and never experienced something like this...
[05:34] <Tonio_> dunno what to say to be honnest :)
[05:34] <Tonio_> have you tried to cleanup your configuration ?
[05:35] <Tonio_> that could be a very specific local problem I guess...
[05:35] <Tonio_> anywa, I really have to go bed.... it's 6h30 am here....
[05:36] <Tonio_> damn, I shoul already be slipping...
[05:36] <DaSkreech> :-D
[05:40] <maco> Tonio_: i only started using quassel like 3 days ago
[05:40] <maco> its been like this the whole time
[05:40] <Tonio_> maco: weird.....
[05:41] <Tonio_> maco: I'll ask if anyone else has the issue.... btw I *really* go to sleep this time :)
[05:41] <Tonio_> seya
[05:41] <maco> haha good night
[07:23] <a|wen> vorian: i can see you started on kde-i18n packages ... do you have a list which done vs. not done or should i just take those that i find?
[10:56] <ryanakca> a|wen: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/debdiffs.tar.gz , they're all done, I just don't have upload rights.
[11:00] <a|wen> ryanakca: oh cool; then it is just to start uploading
[11:00] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: The new debdiffs look sane here. You can probably tar zxf them, use find or something to apply them... If you need to rerun debuild on all of them, ``for i in kde-i18n-*-3.5.9/; do cd $i; debuild -S -sa; cd ..; done'' ... and then I think you can just dput kde-i18n*0ubuntu3_source.changes. You can find the script I used at ryanak.ca/~ryan/kde-i18n-script if you want to pull stuff from it to apply debdiffs
[11:00] <ryanakca> a|wen: Yes.
[11:18] <apachelogger> does anyone have any opinion about us making air the default plasma theme for 9.04? ;-)
[11:19] <Tm_T> I do have an opinion, go for it, just to see the reactions (;)
[11:19] <jussi01> apachelogger: yes please? :D
[11:20]  * jussi01 wonders what the downsides might be...
[11:20]  * apachelogger just noticed that he deleted his kde svn checkout to prevent him from doing such a thing
[11:20]  * Tm_T is using modified "Droid" theme atm
[11:20] <apachelogger> what does that look like?
[11:21] <Tm_T> dark opaque with clear statuses in taskbar and narrow borders
[11:21]  * jussi01 uses oxygen and silicon for the desktop
[11:21] <apachelogger> hm
[11:21] <apachelogger> Tm_T: not using air as wallpaper I suppose?
[11:22] <Tm_T> apachelogger: no, never
[11:22] <apachelogger> *nod*
[11:22]  * apachelogger thinks it doesn't fit well with oxygen either
[11:22] <apachelogger> somehow the non-opaque blue clashes with the air blue
[11:23] <Tm_T> looks like this here:  http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[11:24] <apachelogger> neato
[11:24] <Tm_T> well, without my modifications that is, they're WIP so wouldn't like to show 'em yet
[11:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you please kill ther notes plasmoid in kds
[11:25] <jussi01> heres mine; http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20090315-132443-snapshot5.png
[11:25] <apachelogger> it is disturbing my translated kde and makes kubuntu look even more untranslated :P
[11:25] <a|wen> ryanakca / JontheEchidna: i'm giving the whole kdei18n batch a shot ... should be able to be done with as little human intervention as possible
[11:26] <apachelogger> jussi01: so, how did you get the network plasmoid to work?
[11:26] <apachelogger> for some reason it never authenticates here
[11:26] <apachelogger> might also be due to my lib mess
[11:27] <jussi01> apachelogger: works out of the box on jaunty...
[11:27] <jussi01> and its great :)
[11:27] <apachelogger> maybe I should reinstall then
[11:29] <jussi01> maybe...
[11:29] <apachelogger> waaaah
[11:30] <apachelogger> x garbage again
[11:31] <apachelogger> claydoh: pling
[11:31] <Stecchino> is KDE 4.2.1 available for 8.10?
[11:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and while you are killing the notes plasmoid, also add air (trunk/playground/base/plasma/desktoptheme/air) as default theme :P
[11:44] <cumulus007> Air in Kubuntu? ooh
[11:45] <cumulus007> Does anyone know the answer to this:
[11:45] <cumulus007> http://forum.kde.org/kde-trunk-building-problems-t-38430.html
[11:49] <apachelogger> cumulus007: wait
[11:50] <cumulus007> okay
[11:50] <cumulus007> aren't you a bot, apachelogger?
[11:50] <apachelogger> someone broke the syntax in that file
[11:50] <cumulus007> I see
[11:50] <apachelogger> or you could fix it
[11:50] <cumulus007> there is a ; missing
[11:50] <apachelogger> but I would leave it broken and poke whoever broke it in the eye
[11:50] <cumulus007> let's go to #kde-devel then :P
[11:51] <apachelogger> first ask svn who is to blame :P
[11:54]  * Tm_T slaps cumulus007 
[11:54] <cumulus007> auch
[11:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ktorrent also uses an old version of our release script :D
[11:57] <apachelogger> it seems all of extragear did, without us even knowing .p
[11:58] <apachelogger> Stecchino:      4:4.2.1a-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 0
[11:58] <apachelogger>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Packages
[11:58] <apachelogger> Stecchino: through some ppa it seems
[11:59] <a|wen> Stecchino: it is in ~kubuntu-experimental PPA
[12:00] <cumulus007> are there plans to package KDE 4.3 trunk for Kubuntu?
[12:00] <Tm_T> cumulus007: not that I know, not yet atleast
[12:00] <Tm_T> we prolly should wait for beta releases or so
[12:00] <cumulus007> okay
[12:01] <Tm_T> as it's currently under heavy work, not suitable for packaging IMO
[12:32] <apachelogger> someone could fix neon, then we would have trunk for kubuntu .P
[12:44] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Do you have QtCurve 0.62 packages or I should make em myself?
[12:44] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's been uploaded.
[12:45] <Quintasan> To where?
[12:45] <ScottK> Ubuntu.  Some bits of it got stuck in New.   It's not clear to me why.
[12:46] <Quintasan> ok, I guess I will wait
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: lol
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: apparently we would need to backport some theming code from 4.3 too, or else the circley backgrounds wouldn't appear
[13:10]  * apachelogger can live without them :P
[13:10] <apachelogger> but eventually a backport should be considered
[13:39]  * ScottK considers It's almost beta time and our record with last minute code backports isn't so hot.
[14:33] <vorian> is there a way to set one wallpaper for dual screens?
[14:33]  * vorian is a noob
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> vorian: xinerama or dual head?
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> If it's two separate X servers I don't think Plasma really supports that...
[15:14] <vorian> JontheEchidna: figured out another way http://machine-crusade.net/snapshot1.png
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> cut the wallpaper in half?
[15:14] <vorian> yes
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> You're lucky if you got dual head working without xinerama/twinview or something similar
[15:16] <vorian> I use twinview
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> ah, that explains it
[15:19] <vorian> it's no biggie
[15:20]  * vorian feels like packaging up trunk
[15:20]  * jussi01 grumbles that triple head is still not supported... :(
[15:21] <jussi01> and the #kwin guys are getting sick of me grumbling about that...
[15:23] <knusperfrosch> got i386 laptop i never installed linux before. tried alpha6 on it. cd checked, no errors. blank screen, mouse pointer is present and works but no desktop. .xsession-errors says plasma+kded might have crashed
[15:25]  * ScottK thought Xinerama was totally deprecated now.
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> knusperfrosch: there was a Plasma crash-on-startup that was fixed yesterday. That's probably the crash you were experiencing
[15:29] <Nightrose> vorian: wanna package ical (iirc that is what is missing) so neon can get build again? pretty please? ;-)
[15:29] <vorian> Nightrose: sure
[15:29] <Nightrose> \o/
[15:29] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ^
[15:29] <knusperfrosch> JontheEchidna: so that might be worth noting on the known issues list?
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> dunno how widespread the bug is though
[15:30] <apachelogger> vorian: I'd just need some monolithic package stuffing everything to /opt/project-neon/
[15:31] <knusperfrosch> is there a fixed iso, so i can test it?
[15:31] <apachelogger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KubuntuOptimization <-- that needs $update
[15:32] <vorian> which ical is it?
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> I can haz sponsor for bug 342473?
[15:35] <apachelogger> vorian: latest libical
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> (gtk2-engines-qtcurve)
[15:35]  * apachelogger is wondering how to get upstart not to start all ttys
[15:37] <apachelogger> ah, neato ... just kill the files and run stop ttyN
[15:40] <vorian> ah, for intrepid
[15:40]  * vorian is slow, as usual
[16:17] <jjesse_> morning
[16:17] <a|wen> hi jjesse_
[16:19] <jjesse> anyone have any problems installing jaunty alpha6 in vmware?  ubiquiry crashes for me
[16:19] <jjesse> along with having nothing but a black screen in the livecd version
[16:19] <jjesse> i can still run applications through alt+f2 (krunner) but nothing else
[16:20] <jjesse> is that because of plasma crashing or something?
[16:23] <a|wen> jjesse: very likely ... others are complaining about plasma crashes (and one was fixed after the alpha was out)
[16:24] <vorian> I just did a fresh install of alpha 6 this morning w/no problems
[16:24] <vorian> albeit, a real install
[16:25] <a|wen> may be a problem only on certain graphic cards?
[16:25] <vorian> could be
[16:25]  * vorian uses nvidia
[16:35] <jjesse> hrmm trying again
[16:35] <jjesse> nope it fails
[16:38] <jjesse> generated an apport crash that i reported
[18:08] <a|wen> ryanakca: uploading all your kde-i18n-* now (minus those that vorian already fixed)
[18:09]  * vorian watches buildd machines asplode
[18:09] <vorian> rgreening: get ready for a billion emails
[18:10] <a|wen> translation emails, or?
[18:10] <vorian> yep
[18:10] <a|wen> all kde3 packages times 68 languages, hmm
[19:04] <a|wen> some of the kde-i18n packages complains about "no english docs found in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/"; we don't build those any more for kde3 do we?
[19:13] <etank> jjesse: ping
[19:16] <etank> jjesse: unping
[19:23] <a|wen> hmm, kdelibs-data does not install anything in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/ anymore but many of the kde-i18n packages needs that content (or at least want it at build time); and there seems to be no way to specify not to build the html-docs
[19:23] <a|wen> apachelogger / Riddell: you might have the best idea what to do ^^
[19:25] <jjesse> etank: pong
[19:25] <jjesse> yay just updated my jaunty system and now i have plasma working correctly
[19:26] <etank> jjesse: pm?
[19:26] <jjesse> etank: sure
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: Oh good, that means the fix worked :)
[19:31] <jjesse> yay
[19:31] <jjesse> now i can finish some documentation work
[19:33] <apachelogger> a|wen: possibly we have to hack the autohell stuff
[19:33] <a|wen> apachelogger: do we want to install anything into /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/ at all?
[19:45] <Riddell> a|wen: do we need kde-i18n any more?
[19:46] <a|wen> Riddell: that is a good question... as a lot of people were looking at fixing them to build i supposed there was a reason
[19:47] <a|wen> but right now i can't actually see a particular reason for keeping them
[19:47] <Riddell> kdevelop translations I  seem to mind
[19:48] <a|wen> ahh, of course ... but do we want anything in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/ ?
[19:50] <Riddell> no
[19:53] <a|wen> okay; so we just need to get autohell to ignore the docs-dir
[19:54] <ScottK> woh.  amarok built on powerpc....
[19:57] <a|wen> Riddell: do you know how to re-run autohell in those packages?
[19:58] <jjesse> does the resource migration tool start everytime now in jaunty or should it just start the first time?
[20:00] <Riddell> make -f debian/rules buildprep ?
[20:01] <a|wen> Riddell: *** No rule to make target `buildprep'
[20:03] <Riddell> make admin/Makefile.common ?
[20:07] <a|wen> might be better; it gives me an error still "bin/bash: /home/jr/src/3.5.9/i18n/new/kde-i18n-da-3.5.9/missing: No such file or directory"
[20:08] <a|wen> which one of the multitude of files there do i actually want to edit in?
[20:15] <a|wen> make -f did the trick
[20:32] <jjesse> welcome back raphink
[20:48] <jjesse> ok in jaunty, under the systems settings -> printers how would i enable a remote printer?
[20:55] <jjesse> hrmm i guess that would be a new local printer on a remote windows share for example?
[20:56] <jjesse> if so that doesnt make the most sense
[20:57] <Riddell> jjesse: new local printer maybe
[20:58] <Riddell> the code ythere needs tidying up  as you've noticed
[20:59] <jjesse> yeah working on documentation today as you might have noticed :)
[21:06] <Riddell> jjesse: the printer UI has tidying up to do and probably lots of bugs to fix so don't set that part in stone yet
[21:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pling
[21:18] <Nightrose> apachelogger: plong
[21:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why is amarok distributing hell old translations? :P
[21:19] <Nightrose> because i didn't know there were hell old translations? ;-)
[21:20] <apachelogger> no release dudette cookies for you then :P
[21:20] <Nightrose> *sob*
[21:21] <apachelogger> the launchpad complain is rather weird anyway
[21:21] <apachelogger> bug report: "your product is broken and annoying me with pointless mails"
[21:21] <Nightrose> *g*
[21:21] <Nightrose> "it's b0rked - fix it - kthxbie"
[21:21] <apachelogger> anyway, gotta go
[21:22] <apachelogger> nini
[21:22] <Nightrose> nini
[21:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: something like that ;-)
[21:22] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:33] <claydoh_> dang missed apachelogger
[22:02] <jjesse> Riddell: i won't set it in stone yet for printers
[22:07] <a|wen> yay! all kde-i18n-* now built!
[22:12] <ScottK> NCommander: If you have time to investigate ports issues, kdebase on powerpc could use some love.
[22:13] <ScottK> Anyone know how to set arch specific build flags for cmake?
[22:16] <EagleScreen> there are a snapshot of Konversation for KDE4
[22:22] <ryanakca> a|wen: awesome, yay! Email! :)
[22:24] <ryanakca> a|wen: Crud. There are some failures on i386.
[23:22] <jjesse> how would one best describe PolicyKit Authorizations under System Settings in Jaunty?  "you use it to control how policykit functions?"  anything else