[00:01] <acemoo> http://pastebin.com/f727d8709 = /var/log/messages
[00:01] <acemoo> http://pastebin.com/f4a218502 = /var/log/dmesg
[00:05] <pitwalker> [    4.956527] Warning! ehci_hcd should always be loaded before uhci_hcd and ohci_hcd, not after
[00:05] <acemoo> http://pastebin.com/f5b77b13f = /var/log/slim.log this one seems to have something unusual in it
[00:05] <acemoo> pitwalker: yeah.. but thats usb stuff.. i doubt that usb warnings make the screen fail
[00:08] <pitwalker> the usb warning is common
[00:10] <pitwalker> the old dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was better? i remember good?
[00:11] <acemoo> uhm.. im not sure what u mean
[00:13] <pitwalker> in an older version i can configure the allowed resolutions
[00:14] <acemoo> ohh
[00:14] <pitwalker> acemo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QsP8GDTpno
[00:15] <pitwalker> acemo: yesterday I try with this "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" vith NVIDIA VANTA 16MB, but it starts with framebuffer
[00:16] <acemoo> pitwalker: i remember the old one .. didn't knew there was a new one though..
[00:22] <pitwalker> acemoo: you can rename xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf
[00:22] <pitwalker> Driver "vesa"
[00:23] <acemoo> pitwalker: alright lets try
[00:26] <acemoo> hmm nope same thing still
[00:27] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: I know I'm late to the party, but... care to humour me for a couple of logs?
[00:27] <acemoo> ohh well... thanks for trying the help anyways pitwalker and BUGabundo. Am off to bed, i'll bug you 2 again tmr if i can't find my windows cd :P
[00:27] <acemoo> ohh
[00:27] <IntuitiveNipple> oops... too late :)
[00:28] <acemoo> never to late :>
[00:28] <acemoo> which logs would u want?
[00:28] <IntuitiveNipple> okay... pastebin me "sudo lspci -vvnn" and /var/log/kern.log please
[00:28] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: logs
[00:28] <BUGabundo> (12:01:13 AM) acemoo: http://pastebin.com/f727d8709 = /var/log/messages
[00:28] <BUGabundo> (12:01:42 AM) acemoo: http://pastebin.com/f4a218502 = /var/log/dmesg
[00:29] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: yes I now, I've already checked them
[00:29] <IntuitiveNipple> s/now/know/
[00:29] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[00:29] <BUGabundo> didn't know if had the backlog
[00:29] <IntuitiveNipple> dmesg always stops just before the interesting bit :D
[00:29] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[00:29] <IntuitiveNipple> I know what I'm looking for and expecting to find, but they don't go fat enough
[00:29] <IntuitiveNipple> s/fat/far/
[00:29]  * IntuitiveNipple stamps on his fingers
[00:30] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: http://pastebin.com/f5c7e25ac = sudo lspci -vvnn
[00:30]  * BUGabundo acemoo is loving pastebinit
[00:30] <acemoo> indeed i am...
[00:30] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: thanks... confirm something for me... 4 CPU cores, 8GB RAM?
[00:31] <BUGabundo> acemoo: now you just have to alias it to use paste.ubuntu.com
[00:31] <BUGabundo> what? nice HW!
[00:31] <acemoo> core 2 quad q6600 so yea 4 cpu cores, only 6 gb ram though
[00:32] <acemoo> not really happy with my graphics card ... 2x 22" seems to be a bit heavy for a 9600gt somtimes
[00:32] <acemoo> http://pastebin.com/f35be4129 = /var/log/kern.log
[00:32] <IntuitiveNipple> okay... which architecture of Ubuntu - 32-bit or 64-bit ?
[00:32] <acemoo> 64 bit
[00:33] <IntuitiveNipple> amd64 then?
[00:33] <acemoo> yeah
[00:34] <pitwalker> acemo: i try 64bit last with 6.10
[00:34] <acemoo> pitwalker: 64bit worked great at 8.10 for me
[00:34] <acemoo> and with 6gb ram am kinda stuck to 64bit ;)
[00:35] <BUGabundo> acemoo: or 32 + PAE
[00:35] <pitwalker> 6GB
[00:36] <IntuitiveNipple> okay... I'm working through the logs... bare/bear? with me
[00:36] <pitwalker> you can CTRL+ALT+F8 for boot messages
[00:36] <DanaG> grr, damned nouveau...
[00:36] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ehehhehehe
[00:37] <pitwalker> anyone can run the xfmedia, I have 2 installs and crash alvays?
[00:37] <DanaG> on a system I have here with nv17, rebooting results in the "Will now restart" message remaining stuck on the screen, all the way through the reboot (including replacing the BIOS splash), all the way up until Xorg starts again.
[00:38] <DanaG> I am soooo glad I got ATI in my new laptop, after all.
[00:38] <DanaG> fglrx may still suck... but radeon kicks ass, compared to when I've used nouveau.
[00:38] <acemoo> pitwalker: ctrl-alt-f8 doesn't works.. probably because am booted into the recovery mode (netroot option) got TTY1-6
[00:38] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: how many monitors have you got connected?
[00:38] <DanaG> New release as of yesterday: working video acceleration, with working suspend-to-ram, on R600.
[00:38] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: 2
[00:39] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: And, is the second one capable of a higher resolution than the first?
[00:39] <DanaG> And window-drawing is reeeally nicely fast and smooth -- better than nvidia binary even on a G73 card.
[00:39] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: nope, there exactly the same monitors
[00:39] <pitwalker> acemo: ubuntu's bug, in the first change you must press 2 times!
[00:40] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: Hmmm... there's a recent issue where the EDID with the largest res is used on all monitors. Does this issue still happen with only one monitor connected ?
[00:40] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: theres only 1 way to find that out.. gimme a min
[00:40] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: thanks :)
[00:41] <DanaG> oh yeah, another thing that sucks on that nv17 laptop: the intel 2200 card.
[00:41] <acemoo> WOOT
[00:41] <acemoo> debian..?
[00:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I discovered it my accident last week with a notebook that does 1024x768 (but doesn't answer an EDID query) with a 2nd monitor that does 1280x1024 (and does answer EDID queries)
[00:41] <DanaG> vnc to it is far slower than vnc even to a p3-celeron 700mhz laptop with a Savage and a Broadcom.
[00:41] <acemoo> ohh right pitwalker made me install slim
[00:43] <pitwalker> acemo: because works for me, this should work (INTEL_PI_MMX_250MHZ with AGP NVIDIA VANTA 16MB)
[00:43] <IntuitiveNipple> I've just bought a couple of ipw2945 mini-PCI cards for a couple of notebooks that have wavelan/orinoco 802.11b only... makes them very useful again and only cost £17
[00:43] <DanaG> mini-pci... or mini-PCIe?
[00:43] <IntuitiveNipple> mini-PCI
[00:43] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I think that currently NO GPU card works okay with X 1.6
[00:43] <DanaG> oh, 2945.
[00:43] <BUGabundo> not intel, not nv, not ati
[00:43] <acemoo> pitwalker: what exactly is slim.. a replacement login screen or something?
[00:43] <DanaG> I read that as 3945.
[00:44] <IntuitiveNipple> These are a couple of sony Vaio notebooks (SRX51P and SRX41P) I've had since 2003
[00:44] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: with 1 monitor i am able to get into kde
[00:44] <pitwalker> acemo: but slim cannot starts kde, olny xfce openbox and lighter window managers
[00:44] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: So, that has kind-of confirmed my idea has it?
[00:45] <pitwalker> acemo: slim is a desktop manager
[00:45] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: indeed it has.. kinda weird though.. since the monitors are the same
[00:45] <DanaG> My RV635 with open-source video works fine for me.
[00:45] <josh-l> hey folks, running kubuntu jaunty, i cant connect to my wireless router, i tried booting off 8.10 disk, and was able to connect no problems
[00:45] <acemoo> pitwalker: i entered my username and password in slim and it went to kde
[00:45] <DanaG> I also tried the Jaunty SDHC card in a Thinkpad with Intel graphics... it also worked fine.
[00:46] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: I need to create a master bug for that, but I'm too bugged out right now to do it! Would you care to create one and subscribe/assign me to it? "Multiple monitors can cause xserver to show blank screens"
[00:46] <DanaG> With compiz, even.
[00:46] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: you made me not have to find my windows cd... i owe u that much :)
[00:46] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[00:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm on a roll tonight... that's three decent bugs splatted :p
[00:47] <xtknight> dtchen, the module-hal-detect doesn't detect the cards in any particular order either right so setting snd slots= does no good
[00:47] <josh-l> help please
[00:48] <dtchen> xtknight: because that's hal.
[00:48] <acemoo> pitwalker: how did i put kdm back as default instead of slim again?
[00:48] <dtchen> xtknight: see? i told you the rabbit hole is deep.
[00:48] <BUGabundo> acemoo: and you have me to thanks for deleting the win partition
[00:48] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[00:48] <dtchen> xtknight: if you want it to honour the ordering, you need to forego module-hal-detect and use module-detect instead
[00:49] <acemoo> BUGabundo: true that.. if it wasn't for you i had given up already before IntuitiveNipple told me "pull out the cable!"
[00:49] <dtchen> (and of course load module-alsa-s{ink,ource}
[00:49] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: do you have any idea of what cards/setup fires up that?
[00:49] <xtknight> dtchen, o i was just doing load module alsa sink/source without the module-detect
[00:49] <pitwalker> /usr/bin/kdb back to /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager
[00:49] <BUGabundo> cause my laptop and nvidia work great with Dual monitor
[00:49] <dtchen> xtknight: sure, that will suffice, too.
[00:49] <pitwalker> which  kdm is back to...
[00:50] <xtknight> dtchen, then it looked like it worked great, except i got really weird distortion and skipping all throughout my songs
[00:50] <josh-l> can anyone help me downgrade the network manager please
[00:50] <xtknight> where does tsched=0 fit in though
[00:50] <BUGabundo> acemoo: I never got to the point to see that you had 2 mon
[00:50] <xtknight> when ur not using module detect
[00:50] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I *suspect* it is to do with the EDID reports and how they are ordered/grepped/ or something
[00:50] <dtchen> xtknight: it's a parameter to module-hal-detect, module-alsa-*
[00:50] <acemoo> BUGabundo: i dont have 2 moms
[00:50] <xtknight> ahh
[00:50] <dtchen> xtknight: module-hal-detect simply passes it on to module-alsa-*
[00:50] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I didn't see dual monitors in the logs... that was a *hunch* based on my frustrating similar experience last week
[00:51] <BUGabundo> acemoo: moNs = monitores
[00:51] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: He said "mon"
[00:51] <xtknight> dtchen, yeah i think it's working great now...  with tsched=0 on the module-alsa ones
[00:51] <acemoo> ohh my bad lol
[00:51] <acemoo> already thought it was something weird to say..
[00:51]  * BUGabundo laughts at the idea of two moMs
[00:51] <IntuitiveNipple> not that there is anything wrong with having two moms... pretty cool I reckon!
[00:52] <xtknight> dtchen,  i'm not going to pursue this any further than to ask if there's any way i can help get jaunty audio more stable even if that means staying quiet hehe
[00:52] <dtchen> i could always use more [broken] hardware for testing
[00:52] <BUGabundo> dtchen: like mine?
[00:52] <dtchen> BUGabundo: sure
[00:52] <xtknight> isnt there some kind of plan for making module-hal-detect detect devices consistently as well
[00:52] <BUGabundo> I really need to boot from a clean liveusb
[00:53] <IntuitiveNipple> dtchen: where are you based?
[00:53] <dtchen> loan me an identical model
[00:53] <BUGabundo> let me usbcreate a daily
[00:53] <dtchen> IntuitiveNipple: Washington, DC, USA
[00:53] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: are all these cases on 64-bit or also known to happen on 32-bit?
[00:53] <IntuitiveNipple> dtchen: I'll 'phone Obama, I hear his IT CEO is going spare :)
[00:53]  * BUGabundo clones DCC laptop motherboard to dtchen
[00:54] <dtchen> IntuitiveNipple: his IT CEO uses Mac OS X and Fedora ;-)
[00:54] <cwillu> BUGabundo, poke
[00:54] <BUGabundo> cwillu: too late
[00:54] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: interesting point and not one I know the answer to as yet. I suspect though it doesn't matter - the reports I've been looking at suggest it is just ultra-broken new xserver version. It is also messing up multiple X screen systems by returning screen info about screen 0 for other screens... compiz isn't a  happy bunny as a result
[00:54] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple alreary found acemoo bug
[00:55] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: found? where?
[00:55] <acemoo> im a bug?!
[00:55]  * BUGabundo reminds the room that's its 1am 
[00:55] <acemoo> 2 am here ;)
[00:55] <IntuitiveNipple> any more offers?
[00:55] <cwillu> BUGabundo, that's what you thnk
[00:56] <BUGabundo> going once
[00:56] <acemoo> ohh really i should be here more often :)
[00:56] <BUGabundo> cwillu: has best offer now
[00:56] <IntuitiveNipple> acemoo: what, more problems!?
[00:56]  * cwillu has offered no such thing
[00:57] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: nah.. just fun here :)
[00:58] <BUGabundo> acemoo: until pici or ikonia come in and impose ONTOPIC conversation
[00:58] <DanaG> trying to build something:
[00:58] <DanaG> No package 'pygtk-2.0' found
[00:58] <DanaG> No package 'libgnome-menu' found
[00:58] <DanaG> Okay, I don't see a *pygtk* anything at all in the package manager.
[00:58] <BUGabundo> need a bug check: can anyone run current usb-creator and see if it show a stupid popup when finnished?
[00:59] <acemoo> BUGabundo: but we are ontopic.. partly... i guess..
[00:59] <DanaG> !find pygtk
[00:59] <IntuitiveNipple> I had a nasty issue last night. I work on the kernel and have several git repo's of mainline and ubuntu-$RELEASE in a common parent directory. A script in the ubuntu-jaunty/debian/scripts/misc did a "rm -rf ../linux*" and wiped out my entire mainline repo containing much of my work-in-progress
[00:59] <pitwalker> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[01:00] <acemoo> for some reason.. my mouse seems to be faster in jaunty as in windows..
[01:01] <acemoo> this will keep me from using windows.. unless i buy a faster mouse when i try out windows again.
[01:01] <DanaG> oh, python-gtk2-dev.
[01:02] <DanaG> well, that's lame.... searching for pygtk still gave nothing.
[01:02] <pitwalker> DanaG: and without dev
[01:02] <DanaG> there's an extra "thon-" in the middle.
[01:03] <IntuitiveNipple> thong?
[01:04] <DanaG> no g.
[01:04] <DanaG> =þ
[01:04] <IntuitiveNipple> oh! hehehehe
[01:05] <acemoo> IntuitiveNipple: i subscribed you for bug #342998
[01:05] <acemoo> yeah to that one ubottu
[01:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks.
[01:06] <acemoo> Now to try out Quassel and see if i shall finally stop abusing Opera as an irc client.
[01:06] <pitwalker> acemoo: xchat is my favorite
[01:07] <digitaloktay> hi
[01:07] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: hi
[01:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Is it just me or is gnome's logout/restart/shutdown dialogs all missing window decorations?
[01:07] <xtknight> is vlc's pulseaudio output plugin broken or is it just me
[01:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Just noticed it on a PXE-boot live-CD test PC
[01:08] <Cycom> dtchen: what's crackin?
[01:08] <xtknight> IntuitiveNipple, ya they are missing decs
[01:08] <digitaloktay> which plugin uses Pidgin, when anyone write to me, that i see a popup right on the desktop,
[01:08] <digitaloktay> ?
[01:08] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: you need the new notifications patch
[01:08] <BUGabundo> to sleepy to find the depency
[01:08] <IntuitiveNipple> xtknight: It's daft... the 'user' panel icon menu with no icons, and this... it's looking very amateur
[01:08] <BUGabundo> some thing like pidgin-notification
[01:09] <xtknight> IntuitiveNipple, yeah it is weird
[01:09] <xtknight> IntuitiveNipple, what was wrong with the old logout box...we're not becoming MS are we?? changing things just for the hell of it
[01:09] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: pidgin-libnotify
[01:09] <xtknight> i liked the one in dapper,edgy,feisty,gutsy i think
[01:09] <Cycom> xtknight: IntuitiveNipple: you can still drag and move em with alt if you have compiz enabled.
[01:09] <IntuitiveNipple> indeed.. the other day reading some of the desktop team justifications I began to think they were refugees from SCOx :)
[01:10] <xtknight> Cycom, even without compiz too i believe
[01:10] <digitaloktay> BUGabundo: ok i am now install it, thx, and i must activate and restart pidgin?
[01:10] <Cycom> xtknight: alt+drag? really?
[01:10] <xtknight> Cycom, well works for other windows
[01:10] <xtknight> i dont want to accidentally logout so i didnt try it
[01:10] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: try and let us know
[01:10] <DanaG> Yeah, the removal of the gnome panel logout thingy sucks.
[01:10] <Cycom> I never really paid attention.  I always have compiz on.
[01:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Cycom: Yeah, that's not the issue to me though, the issue even as an experienced user they make me think something is wrong since all windows expcet splash screens ought to have decorations
[01:10] <xtknight> and ya it works for logout window alt+move
[01:10] <xtknight> IntuitiveNipple, and then click outside of the window and watch what happens
[01:11] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: I'm not sure, based on the fact that the window looks different, I think it may be intentional
[01:11] <BUGabundo> Cycom: does your compiz works just after login?
[01:11] <xtknight> IntuitiveNipple, it should be a globally modal window that grays the rest of the screen...actually isnt that what used to happen
[01:11] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: don't the screensaver logins lack the same thing?
[01:11] <BUGabundo> mine requires a forced --reload
[01:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Cycom: possibly... I never leave it long enough to check :)
[01:11] <xtknight> and if u click outside it will log u out in 30 secs or something haha!
[01:11] <xtknight> better find the window quick
[01:11] <xtknight> what a joke
[01:11] <Cycom> BUGabundo: the default normal does on the first login, and after that, I enable extra and it works too.
[01:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Those timer logouts/restarts after I've selected the option once are also annoying
[01:12] <Cycom> xtknight: ooh, wow.
[01:12] <Cycom> xtknight: as a workaround, just click the logout thing again and you will have two logouts. also, it's 60 seconds.
[01:12] <acemo> Please read the topic... i knew i had forgotten something!
[01:12] <xtknight> lol two logouts
[01:12] <DanaG> which logout thing?
[01:12] <IntuitiveNipple> because they aren't modal?
[01:13] <xtknight> ya that's funny u can keep pressing logout
[01:13] <crdlb> wow :/
[01:13] <xtknight> and look how the windows overwrite each other
[01:13] <xtknight> if u leave them in the same place
[01:13] <IntuitiveNipple> The whole thing has taken a step back about 2 years to me
[01:13] <xtknight> holy CRAP i cant get rid of mine
[01:13] <xtknight> the window focus is messed up
[01:13] <xtknight> hehe dont do two of them
[01:14] <Cycom> acemo: what part of the topic?
[01:14]  * crdlb waits 60 seconds for xtknight to quit
[01:14] <Cycom> xtknight: I just cancelled both and it worked fine.
[01:14] <digitaloktay> BUGabundo: install, activate, restart pidgin, but no effects
[01:14] <pitwalker> oh yeah, logout
[01:14] <acemo> Cycom: the entire topic.
[01:14] <Cycom> acemo: I did. what were you trying to bring attention to?
[01:15] <Cycom> were you just saying "please read the topic" at random, or...?
[01:15] <xtknight> the logout windows are modal to each other, but not modal to the operating system
[01:15] <xtknight> interesting.
[01:15] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: so you keep getting popups?
[01:15] <BUGabundo> check if you have ubuntu-desktop
[01:15] <BUGabundo> and notify-osd
[01:15] <digitaloktay> BUGabundo: oh i have kde
[01:16] <BUGabundo> ah
[01:16] <BUGabundo> then that's totally diff
[01:16] <crdlb> it should grab the screen and fade out like gksu does
[01:16] <BUGabundo> KDE still doesn't have full Notifications support
[01:16] <acemo> Cycom: IntuitiveNipple, BUGabundo and pitwalker just helped me fix my comp and when i logged back in the chat i suddenly saw the chanserv message saying to read the topic.. which i had totally forgotten
[01:16] <BUGabundo> bah maco left
[01:16] <xtknight> crdlb, ya exactly... wait, didn't intrepid do that already?
[01:16] <BUGabundo> she could answer that
[01:16] <crdlb> I don't remember
[01:17] <IntuitiveNipple> oh I wish I could show you this corrupted screen on the notebook - it has suddenly lost *all*fonts and replaced everything with squares
[01:17] <xtknight> ahhhh  pango problems
[01:17] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: the other day I got a screensot that showed a really corruped desktop
[01:17] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:17] <IntuitiveNipple> xtknight: Ermm more like the PXE-boot/NFS mounts have got confused
[01:17] <BUGabundo> and I was thinking it was HW... eeh
[01:18] <xtknight> hehe
[01:18] <Cycom> acemo: ohh :)
[01:18] <xtknight> so many things to complain about...but if we talked about the things that worked just fine, this channel would be spammed+unreadable
[01:19] <IntuitiveNipple> This PXE-boot stuff is fab for testing. I've set up a server with all the releases/architectures on... makes things so simple
[01:19] <Cycom> has anyone else noticed that update-manager doesn't seem to pop up on the notification area?
[01:19] <crdlb> yes
[01:19] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: oooh, that is nice :) PXE ftw!
[01:19] <xtknight> Cycom, i havent seen it in awhile either lol
[01:19] <Cycom> xtknight: I've been manually updating. crdlb any idea what gives?
[01:19] <BUGabundo> xtknight: would look like #ubuntu
[01:19] <crdlb> update-notifier has been changed to never do that
[01:19] <xtknight> yeah
[01:19] <Cycom> is it a bug or a feature?
[01:19] <BUGabundo> Cycom: LOLOLOL you are 2 weeks late
[01:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Cycom: yeah, I've got the live-CD images there and I've also got customised 'exploded' live-CD directories with customisations for bug-testing
[01:20] <BUGabundo> Cycom: bug 332945
[01:20] <Cycom> BUGabundo: tanks mon.
[01:20] <DanaG> is nvidia 96 being broken... a known issue?
[01:20] <xtknight> so now i have to teach grandma to do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" in the console now?  come on, she could barely figure out the dialog
[01:21] <IntuitiveNipple> If you want to try it I've written a script to make enabling it real easy: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Ubuntu/NetbootPxeLiveCDMultipleReleases
[01:21] <crdlb> xtknight: update-manager pops up weekly
[01:22] <xtknight> oh
[01:22] <crdlb> or more often for security updates
[01:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Isn't it daily at present?
[01:22] <xtknight> well i guess that's not that bad.  might prevent one of those 'terrible' updates from getting in
[01:22] <xtknight> like the xorg dilemma a while ago
[01:22] <crdlb> it was 2 days at one point, but it'll definitely be a week at release
[01:22] <IntuitiveNipple> oh no, that's "Check for updates"
[01:22] <xtknight> u can still change it anyways right
[01:23] <crdlb> unless they revert it :>
[01:23] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah... I got myself confused
[01:23] <crdlb> xtknight: yes, there's a gconf key in /apps/update-notifier
[01:23] <xtknight> check for updates daily well imo that means it shold pop up daily if there's updates
[01:23] <xtknight> or am i missing something
[01:23] <IntuitiveNipple> I wonder who'll have the PPA with all these 'regressions' fixed so Jaunty behaves like Hardy/Intrepid ?
[01:23] <IntuitiveNipple> I agree
[01:23] <xtknight> it's all about the semantics isnt it
[01:23] <cwillu> DanaG, nvidia isn't providing binaries for the new xorgs for .96 anymore :(
[01:23] <xtknight> check means run apt-get update
[01:24] <crdlb> cwillu: did intrepid ever get one?
[01:24] <xtknight> which, i suppose there's no point in doing unless you're actually going to USE one of the updates
[01:24] <matrixblue> sup everyone?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> crdlb: is it still there? last time I went looking for it, I couldn't find it
[01:24] <xtknight> i should take my logic and shove it
[01:24] <DanaG> oh yeah, last time I  had it auto-launch... it was showing updates from 2 days ago, NOT the newest updates.
[01:24] <Cycom> aha. having read the notification area debate, I can safely say that I have yet to see an update, and rather miss the icon.  Is there a way to reactivate the old behavior, or are we just stuck with the decision?
[01:24] <DanaG> I had to manually press "Check" for it to refresh.
[01:24] <DanaG> How useful is that?
[01:24] <cwillu> crdlb, I think so, I'll check
[01:25] <cwillu> intrepid has 71 and 96
[01:25] <crdlb> BUGabundo: I still have it, and it has a schema, so it hasn't been removed
[01:25] <matrixblue> Question: I installed Alpha 5 from a CD and Alpha 6 came out recently how do I upgrade?
[01:25] <crdlb> /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch
[01:25] <rww> matrixblue: sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:25] <alex_mayorga> matrixblue: sudo aptitude update
[01:25] <matrixblue> okay
[01:26] <BUGabundo> matrixblue: update-manager
[01:26] <alex_mayorga> gnome-do won't show up after the latest update, any ideas?
[01:26] <acemo> just
[01:26] <matrixblue> Is anyone else's pidgin crashing?
[01:26] <cwillu> matrixblue, alpha's & beta's aren't anything special beyond a particular snapshot of packages
[01:26] <xtknight> nah pidgin is fine for me
[01:26] <BUGabundo> matrixblue: just 10 times a minute
[01:26] <IntuitiveNipple> My pidgin has a broken wing so can't get off the ground
[01:26] <matrixblue> lol
[01:26] <BUGabundo> I have to start pidgin -n
[01:26] <xtknight> haha
[01:26] <alex_mayorga> mine works, knock on wood
[01:26] <BUGabundo> and then enable one account at a time
[01:26] <matrixblue> what does the -n do?
[01:27] <xtknight> dont login by default
[01:27] <pitwalker> matrixblue: i not use pidgin because...
[01:27]  * BUGabundo but then again I have tons of plugins
[01:27] <matrixblue> oh
[01:27] <BUGabundo> let me dump my debug list for you guyes
[01:27] <matrixblue> What do you use instead f pidgin?
[01:27] <pitwalker> amsn
[01:27] <Cycom> I'm really going to miss that orange icon.
[01:27] <pitwalker> xchat
[01:27] <xtknight> ubuntu might start needing service packs lol
[01:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Which Project would be best these days on a notebook with 384MB RAM and an 800MHz CPU ?
[01:28] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/131372/
[01:28] <xtknight> xfce im sure
[01:28] <Cycom> xtknight: see ubuntu 8.04, 8.04.1, 8.04.2...
[01:28] <IntuitiveNipple> I was thinking that
[01:28] <digitaloktay> Xubuntu IntuitiveNipple
[01:28] <xtknight> Cycom, i know but ubuntu SP1, SP2 sounds far more ominous :0
[01:28] <BUGabundo> Cycom: I have the lovelly orange icon
[01:28] <BUGabundo> which it reminds me to upgrade again
[01:28] <IntuitiveNipple> But as I've stuck with gnome so far I have internal resistance to having a different DM
[01:29] <xtknight> xfce uses mostly gnome progs doesnt it
[01:29] <matrixblue> yeah
[01:29] <matrixblue> go with xubuntu
[01:29] <Cycom> BUGabundo: how to you put it back? :)
[01:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Oh in that case...!
[01:29] <xtknight> in the absence of native Xfce progs they just fell back to gnome
[01:29]  * Cycom launches outlook
[01:29] <IntuitiveNipple> There's a gconf setting
[01:29] <DanaG> I put Jaunty on a P3-Celeron 700 with 256 RAM... works fine in Gnome.
[01:29] <BUGabundo> there's a gconf key in /apps/update-notifier
[01:29] <pitwalker> IntuitiveNipple: xubuntu-desktop with gnome-panel?
[01:29] <xtknight> yeah but i have auto_launch and is till dont see the updates
[01:29] <xtknight> whatever
[01:29] <crdlb> cwillu: ubuntu's changelog for 96.43.10 claims it "supports the new X.org ABI"
[01:30] <Cycom> yes. I really have outlook 2007 on my ubuntu install :)
[01:30] <DanaG> Showing two-day old updates... how stupid.
[01:30] <crdlb> xtknight: you have it backward
[01:30] <DanaG> I tried the new 96... and it just crashes Xorg.
[01:30]  * BUGabundo kicks Cycom
[01:30] <IntuitiveNipple> Well Gnome was okay on it but once Firefox gets going it could get a bit swappy... XP is fab on it with Outlook extra... or was last time I used that... in about 2005
[01:30] <xtknight> crdlb, so auto_launch=0 is the old behavior
[01:30] <xtknight> ?
[01:30] <crdlb> xtknight: auto_launch makes it automatically launch update-manager
[01:30] <crdlb> so yes
[01:30] <pitwalker> DanaG: try fresher mirror
[01:30] <xtknight> whattt
[01:30] <DanaG> Not the problem.
[01:30] <Cycom> BUGabundo: I need it for work, and Evolution crashes more often than the microsoft product.
[01:30] <DanaG> The problem was that it hadn't refreshed package cache.
[01:31] <digitaloktay> why outlook ? use thunderbird, icedove, kmail, evolution
[01:31] <digitaloktay> _D
[01:31] <BUGabundo> kmail then ?
[01:31] <matrixblue> try Thunderbird
[01:31] <DanaG> I hit "check" -- and boom, new updates.
[01:31] <BUGabundo> DanaG: its Alpha!
[01:31] <BUGabundo> I get updates minutes after I check for updates
[01:31] <IntuitiveNipple> But isn't it go from Alpha to Beta, not Alpha to Zebra!?
[01:31] <DanaG> That's the thing... it didn't "Check" at all!
[01:31] <DanaG> It just plain showed two-day-old updates.
[01:31] <crdlb> "Fixed a problem that caused nvidia-installer to remove Compiz's libglx.so"
[01:31] <crdlb> wat
[01:31] <matrixblue> I would be using completely open source if I could find a replacement for Onenote, Photoshop Flash and Dreamweaver
[01:32] <xtknight> crdlb, the old behavior was to do the notification (auto_launch=1) wasnt it?
[01:32] <crdlb> xtknight: no, auto_launch means auto-launch update-manager
[01:32] <xtknight> the description of that key is eluding me
[01:32] <crdlb> update-notifier still runs with it enabled, it just doesn't show the icon
[01:32] <Cycom> crdlb: so if I uncheck it, I get my little orange icon back? :)
[01:32] <xtknight> oh ok
[01:32] <BUGabundo> DanaG: specially with so many packages installed
[01:32] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -l | grep -c ii 2762
[01:33] <BUGabundo> matrixblue: are you offering to develop those tools ?
[01:34] <Cycom> crdlb: but if I disable it, it'll show the icon, or...
[01:34] <xtknight> Cycom, =false means it shows the icon
[01:34] <xtknight> the description makes no sense
[01:34] <Cycom> auto-launch = false, yes?
[01:34] <xtknight> correct
[01:34] <Cycom> ok. good.
[01:34] <crdlb> the description is lacking in (important) detail
[01:35] <DanaG> Shouldn't there be a ui in "settings" for that gconf key?
[01:35] <xtknight> now, does anyone's VLC pulse output plugin completely not work?
[01:35] <DanaG> That'd fix a lot of people's complaints.
[01:35] <crdlb> it rambles on too long about the new behavior
[01:35] <xtknight> and why isn't the pulse plugin installed with vlc by default.....because it's broken?
[01:35] <BUGabundo> so who beats this pidgin plugin list http://paste.ubuntu.com/131372/ ?
[01:36] <Cycom> I don't use plugins for most software
[01:36] <BUGabundo> at least you guys have sound!!!!
[01:36] <cwillu> crdlb, dunno then, I guess it works.  I thought I remembered some outcry about that though
[01:36] <xtknight> BUGabundo, sort of
[01:36] <xtknight> BUGabundo, we have pulseaudio
[01:36] <BUGabundo> I only work until suspend by using OSS
[01:36] <xtknight> that's different than sound :D
[01:36] <Cycom> BUGabundo: I don't on my HP mini 1030nr. hoping for an update soon ;)
[01:36] <BUGabundo> PA and ALSA both dead
[01:37] <BUGabundo> DAMN
[01:37] <xtknight> BUGabundo, how come
[01:37] <BUGabundo> did the SI units changed again???
[01:37] <xtknight> BUGabundo, "pulseaudio -vvv" what does it report?
[01:37] <BUGabundo> I used to see stuff like 7.8GiBs
[01:37] <Cycom> guh. stupid pulseaudio regression.
[01:37] <DanaG> Over the break, I'm gonna' try Ubuntu on a Sharp Zaurus (ARM-based).
[01:37] <BUGabundo> now I see 8GBs
[01:37] <Cycom> not pulseaudio. totem
[01:37] <xtknight> Cycom, what audio adapter
[01:37] <Cycom> Want. To be able. To open. DVDS!
[01:37] <xtknight> oh ok
[01:37] <DanaG> weirdest SI unit i've ever seen: "Go"
[01:38] <DanaG> a 640Go hard drive.
[01:38] <xtknight> totem has always been low on the pole
[01:38] <Cycom> xtknight: snd-hda-intel.  it's a jacksense bug. dtchen is working on it.
[01:38] <DanaG> wtf is a go?
[01:38] <Cycom> xtknight: well it worked in 8.10
[01:38] <DanaG> A different locale, that's what. =þ
[01:38] <Cycom> xtknight: and it's the only one that works with my media keys.
[01:38] <xtknight> Cycom, well my snd-hda-intel  is working now
[01:38] <xtknight> Cycom, u just need to fix your default.pa
[01:38] <DanaG> I guess I'm lucky: my hda-intel works fine.
[01:38] <xtknight> and set tsched=0
[01:38] <Cycom> xtknight: and that fixes jack-sensing problems?
[01:38] <BUGabundo> xtknight: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131378/
[01:38] <xtknight> i thought jacksense was only some really new 2.6.29 thing no one used
[01:38] <alex_mayorga> miro: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu3 is installed. ??
[01:39] <xtknight> i dont think that's relevant to ur problem
[01:39]  * DanaG is using the 2.6.29 kernel.
[01:39] <xtknight> i could be wrong
[01:39] <Cycom> xtknight: where is default.pa?
[01:39] <xtknight> Cycom, /etc/pulse
[01:39] <Cycom> xtknight: I get sound on headphones but not on speakers
[01:39] <xtknight> Cycom, oh
[01:39] <xtknight> well i donno about that
[01:39] <xtknight> laptop?
[01:40] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[01:40] <Cycom> xtknight: yeah. netbook.
[01:40] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: poke mantainer or file bug and also add python
[01:40] <BUGabundo> must have to do with python 2.6 migration
[01:40] <DanaG> for me, /usr/bin/python is python2.5.
[01:40] <Cycom> mute and brightness work fine. it's just the sound on the speakers.
[01:40] <xtknight> Cycom, ya no clue how to fix that but i thought there was something in alsamixer to do it
[01:41] <DanaG> My issues with my laptop are different.
[01:41] <Cycom> xtknight: dtchen told me it was a problem with jack sensing due to the new system.
[01:41] <DanaG> =þ
[01:41] <xtknight> Cycom, then he's probably right
[01:41] <xtknight> i thought maybe there would be a manual way around it
[01:41] <Cycom> xtknight: I figured :)
[01:41] <BUGabundo> xtknight: saw anything useful?
[01:41] <DanaG> I'm pondering getting one of those business netbooks.
[01:42] <Cycom> but yeah, my totem problem is that I can't play ISOs in totem anymore. worked fine in 8.10
[01:42] <DanaG> Same hard drive tray as my EliteBook, it so happens.
[01:42] <xtknight> BUGabundo, well try  "killall pulseaudio" a few times and then "pulseaudio -vvv"
[01:42] <xtknight> it says it's already running
[01:42] <BUGabundo> its always running
[01:42] <BUGabundo> it auto spawns
[01:42] <xtknight> yeah but i need -vvv
[01:42] <xtknight> verbose
[01:42] <alex_mayorga> BuGabundo, you mean to file a bug on both python and miro?
[01:42] <BUGabundo> yes
[01:42] <xtknight> "killall pulseaudio;killall pulseaudio;killall pulseaudio;killall pulseaudio;pulseaudio -vvv"  try that
[01:42] <xtknight> and pastebin
[01:43] <xtknight> it doesnt autospawn unless you start playing something
[01:43] <theholyduck> pulseaudio is evil anyway :P
[01:43] <theholyduck> evil and USELESS
[01:43] <DanaG> Not for me.
[01:43] <BUGabundo> D: module-rtp-recv.c: Requesting rewind due to end of underrun
[01:43] <BUGabundo> D: module-null-sink.c: Requested to rewind 352800 bytes.
[01:43] <DanaG> For me, it's very useful.
[01:43] <BUGabundo> a bunch of those
[01:44] <xtknight> BUGabundo, me too.
[01:44] <theholyduck> DanaG, how so?
[01:44] <xtknight> with vlc
[01:44] <BUGabundo> filling my terminal xtknight
[01:44] <xtknight> BUGabundo, what player are you using
[01:44] <DanaG> I happen to use two sound cards at the same time -- it lets me switch stuff between the two on the fly.
[01:44] <theholyduck> DanaG, jack?
[01:44] <BUGabundo> just nothing
[01:44] <BUGabundo> NOTHING
[01:44] <BUGabundo> pidgin maybe
[01:44] <DanaG> I leave web audio on the hda card, and put music on the offboard surround sound card.
[01:44] <xtknight> BUGabundo, ya pidgin perhaps
[01:44] <theholyduck> its far less buggy than pulse
[01:44] <cwillu> theholyduck, I use it all the time to get my laptop playing through the main speakers when I'm at home, and more importantly, to get it to play through my headphones on my main machine when I'm working on more than one machine after 2am
[01:44] <theholyduck> and way more features
[01:44] <DanaG> It has network streaming, too, but it's broken in 0.9.15 for some reason.
[01:44] <xtknight> i dunno i mean my vlc pulse plugin does the same thing BUGabundo
[01:44] <theholyduck> cwillu, and this is impossible with alsa? or jack?
[01:45] <xtknight> i think vlc's just buggy
[01:45] <theholyduck> how?
[01:45] <xtknight> or vlc's pulse plugin
[01:45] <theholyduck> xtknight, vlc is buggy. always has been. always will be
[01:45] <DanaG> And in 0.9.15, it can switch speaker modes on the fly, too.
[01:45] <theholyduck> dont use it
[01:45] <BUGabundo> xtknight: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131380/
[01:45] <cwillu> theholyduck, with alsa, quite
[01:45] <pitwalker> how can I find symbol table (dbg or dbgsym package) for this: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
[01:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there a USB 2 7.1 device with drivers?
[01:45] <DanaG> So I can use my audigy2 (not with new laptop!) in stereo, 4, or 6 channels.
[01:46] <theholyduck> cwillu, what i never really got is why they didnt implement a network audio in jack
[01:46] <DanaG> My Turtle Beach SRM works in 8-channel mode only, for some reason...
[01:46] <theholyduck> instead of making audio on linux buggy and unsatble
[01:46] <theholyduck> with pulse
[01:46] <DanaG> ... but the rear channels are not usable, for some reason.
[01:46] <DanaG>  Or rather, the SIDE channels.
[01:46] <DanaG> Rear works fine.
[01:46] <theholyduck> basicly the only thing pulse has on jack is network audio
[01:46] <cwillu> theholyduck, so, I can't do that with jack either then?
[01:46] <theholyduck> but it implements everything ELSE horribly
[01:46] <DanaG> Try unplugging a sound card while playing to it in jack... what does the app do?
[01:46] <xtknight> well pulse tried to fix the problems but made them worse
[01:46] <xtknight> temporarily
[01:46] <bobbob1016> Anyone know how to get a tablet working in Jaunty?  I just installed the latest alpha, and can't find a tutorial or anything for wacom.  Any ideas?
[01:46] <theholyduck> xtknight, permanently if you ask me :P
[01:46] <DanaG> And what does jack do?
[01:47] <cwillu> bobbob1016, should be able to just plug it in
[01:47] <crdlb> we're not asking you
[01:47] <theholyduck> DanaG, route audio from anywhere to anywhee :P
[01:47] <xtknight> dude they're just making it way too complicated.  and insisting it stay that way
[01:47] <xtknight> all this hal stuff
[01:47] <DanaG> When you unplug a sound card, I mean.
[01:47] <theholyduck> DanaG, should handle it just fine.
[01:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it can also send audio to multiple devices at the same time.
[01:47] <theholyduck> jack is veeery resilient
[01:47] <xtknight> glitchless audio.... n why should be audio glitch in the first place
[01:47] <crdlb> xtknight: do you want hotplug?
[01:47] <DanaG> That is, if you want to watch a movie with a friend, with both of you using headphones... you can do that.
[01:47] <DanaG> Just add a usb headset adapter.
[01:47] <theholyduck> DanaG, im doing that with alsa
[01:47] <theholyduck> allready
[01:47] <xtknight> crdlb, no
[01:47] <DanaG> And enable the "combined" sink.
[01:48] <theholyduck> i dont see the problem :P
[01:48] <bobbob1016> cwillu, It is the screen, the laptop is a convertable, as in touchscreen laptop
[01:48] <crdlb> xtknight: really? :)
[01:48] <IntuitiveNipple> pitwalker: Try http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/glibc/
[01:48] <xtknight> crdlb, hotplug a sound card? come on man
[01:48] <xtknight> lol
[01:48] <bobbob1016> gateway m275 to be exact
[01:48] <DanaG> AAnd it even synchronizes them in terms of timing.
[01:48] <theholyduck> DanaG, i got mplayer setup to map ALL the alsa channels to stereo headphones :P
[01:48] <crdlb> xtknight: hotplug in general
[01:48] <DanaG> random: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4796
[01:48] <crdlb> and yes, sometimes a sound card (usb)
[01:48] <cwillu> bobbob1016, don't search for jaunty, just search for ubuntu wacom, there's tonnes of info available
[01:48] <xtknight> crdlb, i don't want hotplug capability with sound when it sacrifices the other 99.999999999% of my use
[01:48] <cwillu> bobbob1016, the screen is just a normal display, the only trick is getting the calibration right, for which there are tutorials
[01:48] <BUGabundo> xtknight: I've hot plug an usb card
[01:48] <bobbob1016> cwillu, I found one for intrepid, and it didn't work, which is why I asked here.
[01:48] <theholyduck> DanaG, soo yes. i got 5 +1 +2 stereo headphone plugs
[01:49] <theholyduck> on my current alsa settup
[01:49] <xtknight> crdlb, but sure hotplug sounds great
[01:49] <xtknight> hehe
[01:49] <theholyduck> you dont need pulse for that
[01:49] <xtknight> i'll take a large hotplug with fries
[01:49] <DanaG> I could even play the app to both stereo headphones AND usb surround... with good timing, too.
[01:49] <DanaG> at the same time.
[01:49] <DanaG> And synchronized.
[01:49] <crdlb> xtknight: ok, how about flash drives? :)
[01:49] <theholyduck> DanaG, again. diffrent mplayer -af and i can do the same :P
[01:49] <crdlb> (you brought hal into this ...)
[01:49] <xtknight> crdlb, lol well i like HAL..  in fact i love HAL...but not pulseaudio's hal
[01:49] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:49] <theholyduck> DanaG, ofcourse i use a soundcard with more than 1 audio out
[01:49] <bobbob1016> cwillu, It said the basic "Add stuff to xorg.conf" and it said to add to one section which I couldn't find in jaunty's xorg.
[01:49] <DanaG> Yeah, but will they come out at the same time?
[01:50] <DanaG> as in, no hideous echo?
[01:50] <xtknight> HAL can coexist peacefully with static
[01:50] <theholyduck> DanaG, well since my 1 soundcard has a buttloud of ports out
[01:50] <DanaG> ah.  Mine doesn't.
[01:50] <bobbob1016> stuff = lines of definitions about the touchscreen
[01:50] <DanaG> http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/tb_srm/
[01:50] <xtknight> or we need the ability for HAL to at least act static
[01:50] <xtknight> for sure
[01:50] <theholyduck> id say yes
[01:50] <theholyduck> i dont NEED to sync between 3 audio cards
[01:50] <cwillu> bobbob1016, you probably shouldn't be running an alpha if an xorg section being missing is a roadblock :/
[01:50] <theholyduck> DanaG, but jack could do that
[01:50] <xtknight> who wants their primary sound device changing everytime they reboot?
[01:51] <DanaG> Mine doesn't!
[01:51] <theholyduck> DanaG, pulse audio is just a poorly implemented jack clone
[01:51] <theholyduck> with networking
[01:51] <DanaG> It stays on onboard for primary.
[01:51] <cwillu> bobbob1016, that being said, you can regenerate an old-style xorg.conf file via Xorg -configure
[01:51] <DanaG> No random changes.
[01:51] <crdlb> theholyduck: no, it's a clone of vista's audio server
[01:51] <theholyduck> crdlb, but it does everything jack does
[01:51] <xtknight> mine is all over the place, because of 1) kernel module loading order; 2) module-hal-detect
[01:51] <theholyduck> just worse
[01:51] <DanaG> Just have to install padevchooser and pavumeter.
[01:51] <theholyduck> alot worse
[01:51] <crdlb> which is tbh, a good thing to copy
[01:51] <alex_mayorga> anyone can please confirm https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/miro/+bug/343007 ?
[01:51] <DanaG> xtknight: you have two of the same sort of sound card?
[01:51] <xtknight> DanaG, nopes two different ones
[01:51] <DanaG> That's the only thing that'd make it swap for me.
[01:52] <xtknight> snd-cmipci snd-hda-intel
[01:52] <bobbob1016> cwillu, I'm not an idiot, I just didn't want to add to my xorg.  I know the xorg configure thing, I just thought since it didn't work the same in intrepid, it wouldn't in jaunty.  And no, this isn't by any means my main machine...
[01:52] <DanaG> Other than that, they get persistent naming.
[01:52] <xtknight> DanaG, well padevchooser is cool i didnt know about it
[01:52] <DanaG> random: I'm considering one of these:  http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4796
[01:52] <xtknight> unfortunately it wasnt obvious in the default install
[01:52] <theholyduck> crdlb, i still dont see why they couldnt just implement  a slightly improved jack interface and a network audio submodule for itø.
[01:52] <DanaG> yeah, default install sucks.
[01:52] <theholyduck> and saved themself and us alot of trouble
[01:52] <DanaG> NO way to set default card.
[01:52] <bobbob1016> cwillu, Still "sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" right?
[01:52] <DanaG> No way to move apps between cards.
[01:52] <xtknight> yup
[01:52] <cwillu> bobbob1016, Xorg -configure
[01:52] <xtknight> pulseaudio with all the problems and none of the advantages
[01:52] <xtknight> is what the default install is
[01:53] <xtknight> that needs to change
[01:53] <BUGabundo> xtknight: they removed the NEW audio applet cause it was too cofusing
[01:53] <DanaG> And useless!
[01:53] <DanaG> NO way to unmute sliders.
[01:53] <BUGabundo> imagine ppl with pv by default
[01:53] <DanaG> Still no way to have per-app devices.
[01:53] <DanaG> New audio app WAS useless.
[01:53]  * DanaG considers getting one of these:  http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4796
[01:53] <xtknight> well i'd be happy if they plugged in pavucontrol as the applet
[01:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, something interesting my adi1988 card can do: two simultaneous, different-source capture streams.
[01:54] <DanaG> Unfortunately, PA doesn't tie itself into both -- just into one.
[01:54] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, might I suggest www.kidsoncomputers.org to get rid of the old one ;)
[01:54] <DanaG> We have quite a few old systems around here:
[01:54] <DanaG> p2 266 laptop with 128 RAM.
[01:54] <DanaG> celeron 700 with 256 RAM.
[01:54] <theholyduck> akgraner, why would you want to get rid of the old one?
[01:54] <theholyduck> old computers makes the best fun
[01:55] <DanaG> p4-celeron with 512.
[01:55] <DanaG> 1.6ghz, that was.
[01:55] <IntuitiveNipple> There's a general trend that is disturbing... replacing okay systems with new ones that have been developed in a Just-In-Time way rather than being clearly planned, agreed and tested.
[01:55] <DanaG> And two Athlon XP-M 1200MHz laptops.
[01:55] <alex_mayorga> we'll take that last one any day
[01:55] <crdlb> theholyduck: lennart has explained why jack is not a fit
[01:55] <DanaG> One 512 meg, one 768.
[01:55] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: please PM if you feel charitable
[01:56] <DanaG> Hmm, they're all my dad's systems, though -- I'd have to ask him first.
[01:56] <BUGabundo> guys let me know if you have old (even non working ) HW
[01:56] <DanaG> Right now the p4 one with nv17 is my "spare", "backup" computer.
[01:56] <theholyduck> meh. i couldnt donate boxes to it if i wanted.
[01:56] <BUGabundo> our local HackLab will take ANYHTING
[01:56] <theholyduck> norway doesnt have poverty
[01:56] <theholyduck> so there really isnt any poor children to donate computers to
[01:57] <alex_mayorga> ship them to Mexico then :)
[01:57] <theholyduck> alex_mayorga, that would be expensive
[01:57] <theholyduck> id rather have fun with them here
[01:57] <BUGabundo> I'm in portugal
[01:57] <BUGabundo> its closer
[01:57] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:57] <alex_mayorga> we're working with an international carrier for cheap shipping
[01:58] <theholyduck> alex_mayorga, well i DO have 17 boxes above a 1.2ghz celeron level :P
[01:58] <IntuitiveNipple> It's a shame you can't do with a computer what you can do with pen and paper... message in a bottle :)
[01:58] <BUGabundo> damn
[01:58] <theholyduck> IntuitiveNipple, never heard of a usb pen!
[01:58] <soulasassin> lmao
[01:58]  * digitaloktay is listening to Eagles - One Of These Nights (Music Non Stop) from Rockland [Amarok]
[01:58] <IntuitiveNipple> It don't *do* anything though
[01:58] <DanaG> handy: http://www.publicsurplus.com
[01:58] <BUGabundo> theholyduck: setting up a cluster ?
[01:58] <xtknight> how about usb penpals
[01:58] <xtknight> ;P
[01:59] <theholyduck> BUGabundo, i might
[01:59] <BUGabundo> with the new tools
[01:59] <theholyduck> most of the boxes arent doing anything usefull currently
[01:59] <BUGabundo> on jaunty
[01:59] <theholyduck> BUGabundo, but then the WHY BOTHER argument comes.
[01:59] <BUGabundo> euchalipt
[01:59] <theholyduck> i got a quad core phenom box
[01:59] <BUGabundo> eucalyptus-cloud
[01:59] <theholyduck> its not like i really NEED to offload computing
[02:00] <BUGabundo> eheh
[02:00] <BUGabundo> start compling stuff
[02:00] <theholyduck> BUGabundo, i allready am
[02:00] <theholyduck> i compile and encode on a regular basis
[02:00] <DanaG> Here's my primary system: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4631
[02:00] <DanaG> -- but with FireGL V5700 (HD3650) instead of Quadro.
[02:00] <BUGabundo> I love to see ppl testing KDE playground or OOo
[02:00] <theholyduck> but the phenoms have pretty absurdly fast sse2 extensions
[02:00] <BUGabundo> Nuno Pinheiro from Oxygen uses 5 PCs to cut compile time
[02:00] <DanaG> Now they even sell the thing with quad-core!
[02:00] <theholyduck> soo encoding is very fast
[02:01] <DanaG> Oh hell, even thier consumer laptops offer quad-core nowadays.  And same for desktops.
[02:01] <theholyduck> DanaG, shitty quads though.
[02:01] <DanaG> random: http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=324161
[02:01] <DanaG> http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=324071
[02:01] <BUGabundo> dtchen: you missed the all audio talk of the day
[02:02] <theholyduck> there are only 2 quads worth anything in my book. the phenoms cause they are dirt cheap and still fast and the i7's because they are fast one a entirely new level
[02:02] <DanaG> And both AMD and Intel.
[02:02] <BUGabundo> guys go relax a bit http://www.funtasticus.com/20090311/hump-day-hotties-march-11-2009/
[02:02] <DanaG> hump day?
[02:02] <DanaG> whaa?
[02:02] <BUGabundo> NTFW of course
[02:02] <DanaG> oh, and NSFW, by the way.
[02:03]  * digitaloktay is listening to Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax (Come Fighting) (Music Non Stop) from Rockland [Amarok]
[02:03] <BUGabundo> its funtasticus... 90% of the content is NSFW
[02:03] <theholyduck> BUGabundo, meh too big boobs
[02:03] <theholyduck> in other news. aptsh is awesome
[02:03] <theholyduck> whenever you have to do alot of apt work
[02:03] <BUGabundo> theholyduck: is there such a thing?
[02:03] <DanaG> Speaking of boobs, one time I was channel-flipping and ran across a pic of somebody with watermelon-sized.  My immediate thought: Ouch, back pain!
[02:04] <BUGabundo> http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Turbofist911/BigBoobs.png
[02:04] <dtchen> BUGabundo: ?
[02:04] <DanaG> back pain -> too big!
[02:04] <BUGabundo> dtchen: hey
[02:04] <BUGabundo> DanaG: eehe
[02:04] <BUGabundo> I had a friend at school that a reduce op to make them smaller
[02:05] <theholyduck> BUGabundo, i like them small :P
[02:05] <theholyduck> <3<3<3<3 aptsh
[02:06] <DanaG> random: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Konachan.com%20-%2017601.jpg
[02:07] <BUGabundo> http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/031109daily/daily_20.jpg you have to see this one and its SFW
[02:08] <theholyduck> DanaG, meh. clamp is overrated
[02:08] <DanaG> here's something hideous:
[02:08] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/safari4.png
[02:08] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/safari4_2.png
[02:08] <DanaG> ♥ Apple.  Not.
[02:09] <theholyduck> DanaG, soo why are you posting a random clamp related pic?
[02:09] <theholyduck> it confuses and infuriates me
[02:09]  * DanaG is feeling random.
[02:10] <theholyduck> http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f57/mikkikoron3/1191157497405.jpg then
[02:10] <DanaG> whatever.
[02:11] <DanaG> Can't say I know who that is.
[02:12] <DanaG> oh yeah, and if you go up a level, I have other random stuff.
[02:12] <theholyduck> they call him "zetsubou sensei"
[02:12] <theholyduck> teacher despair :P
[02:12] <theholyduck> he spends all his time trying to kill himself
[02:12] <theholyduck> or despairing at how horrible the world is
[02:12] <DanaG> Lovely.
[02:12] <theholyduck> DanaG, its great comedy
[02:13] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette
[02:13] <theholyduck> DanaG, also hes the teacher of a class of social misfits
[02:13] <theholyduck> whats with all the ccs stuff?
[02:13]  * DanaG wonders which'll happen first: working fglrx for Jaunty, or working power management in radeon.
[02:13] <theholyduck> ccs is just nanoha for kids
[02:13] <theholyduck> well in the other order actually
[02:14] <theholyduck> nanoha is ccs for adults
[02:14] <DanaG> Vocal dramas -- hilarious.
[02:14] <DanaG> Can't say I've ever seen that other series.
[02:14] <DanaG> Nanoha.
[02:14] <theholyduck> DanaG, well some guys noticed that most magical girl series are watched by small girls and 20-30 year old men
[02:15] <theholyduck> soo they condensed everything that appeal to that older demographic
[02:15] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/omgbanana.gif
[02:15] <theholyduck> and added alot more adultness :P
[02:15] <theholyduck> better art, the works
[02:15] <theholyduck> and released a magical girl series for adults
[02:15] <theholyduck> wich became nanoha
[02:15] <DanaG> HP netbook theme:  http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[02:16] <theholyduck> my latest screengrab
[02:16] <theholyduck> http://la.gg/upl/ffmpeg_options.png :p
[02:16]  * BUGabundo and we got 200% OT
[02:16] <DanaG> My theme (though I've changed my wallpaper to be the gdm background): http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange.png
[02:16] <DanaG> er
[02:16] <theholyduck> im working on a building various media packages system :P
[02:16] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png
[02:17] <theholyduck> its like make menuconfig for building multimedia stuff
[02:18] <digitaloktay> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzE0NA , NVIDIA Pushes Out New Driver With No Change-Log
[02:19] <herenbdy> heya, just upgraded to Jaunty Jackelope for the heck of it, and cannot compile my Qt4 app, as -lGL cannot be found
[02:19] <DanaG> oh yeah, have I described how kickass my laptop is?  It is.
[02:19] <DanaG> s/kickass/badass/
[02:19] <herenbdy> using nvidia's version 180 drivers
[02:19] <DanaG> Gets 4 hours in Windows; right now it's half that in Linux.
[02:20] <theholyduck> DanaG, i was looking at this "laptop"
[02:20] <crdlb> herenbdy: nvidia-glx-180-dev or similar
[02:20] <alex_mayorga> Anyone doing Bluetooth A2DP on 9.04?
[02:20] <theholyduck> with quad core when no other laptops had it
[02:20] <theholyduck> 3 hardrives and a bluray drive
[02:20] <theholyduck> though it was as thick as a model m
[02:20] <theholyduck> soo couldnt really be called a LAPTOP
[02:20] <DanaG> Mine actually IS a laptop.  15.4".
[02:21] <herenbdy> mobile desktop
[02:21] <DanaG> 1920x1200 -- sweet.
[02:21] <herenbdy> and thanks crdlb, that worked
[02:21] <theholyduck> DanaG, i dont like how nobody does new 4:3 or 5:4 monitors anymore
[02:21] <theholyduck> widescreens suck
[02:21] <cwillu> digitaloktay, I'm gonna guess that somebody is gonna lose a job over that
[02:21] <BUGabundo> mine is 13.3"
[02:21] <BUGabundo> older laptop was 12.1"
[02:22] <BUGabundo> 2KGs
[02:22] <DanaG> 16:9 is really really stupid.
[02:22] <DanaG> Watch a 16:9 video on a 16:10 display... you have room for a seek bar and subtitles.
[02:22] <crdlb> why?
[02:22] <BUGabundo> 16:10 I like it
[02:22] <crdlb> those don't stay on the screen all the time
[02:22] <DanaG> Watch it on 16:9.... oops, they have to go ON TOP OF THE VIDEO.
[02:22] <crdlb> the same thing happens with 4:3 video and 4:3 screens ...
[02:23] <BUGabundo> VLC TOP
[02:23] <BUGabundo> eheh
[02:23] <BUGabundo> always used it
[02:23] <DanaG> 1920x1200 rocks.
[02:23] <theholyduck> crdlb, meh subtitles suck in the black space and you cant really fit them anyway
[02:23] <crdlb> what's that?
[02:23] <BUGabundo> places the video close on the top bar
[02:23] <BUGabundo> leaving all space on the bottom
[02:23] <theholyduck> crdlb, 16:10 :P
[02:23] <theholyduck> meh i just use mplayer
[02:23] <theholyduck> no seek bar
[02:24] <crdlb> theholyduck: I wasn't the one saying 16:10 was good
[02:24] <theholyduck> crdlb, i realized that nao:P
[02:25] <BUGabundo> I like 16:10 for Desktop
[02:25] <BUGabundo> not video
[02:25] <theholyduck> BUGabundo, 16:10 is too wide
[02:25] <IntuitiveNipple> pulseaudio logging has just caused the /var/ file-system to run out of space
[02:25] <theholyduck> 5:4 is a much better desktop resolution in my book :P
[02:26] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: ??? really?
[02:26]  * BUGabundo checks df
[02:26] <IntuitiveNipple> loads of errors every second... look
[02:26] <IntuitiveNipple> -rw-r----- 1 syslog   adm  233504768 2009-03-14 23:06 user.log
[02:26] <IntuitiveNipple> -rw-r----- 1 syslog   adm  233881600 2009-03-15 02:21 syslog
[02:26] <IntuitiveNipple> -rw-r----- 1 syslog   adm  597937277 2009-03-14 06:43 user.log.0
[02:26] <IntuitiveNipple> -rw-r----- 1 syslog   adm  598049775 2009-03-14 08:20 syslog.0
[02:26] <BUGabundo> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:26] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1             9.3G  8.5G  322M  97% /
[02:26] <BUGabundo> bahhhh
[02:26] <BUGabundo> 322MiBs?
[02:26]  * BUGabundo runs baooba
[02:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Masses of "pulseaudio[5417]: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 13835058055282070656 bytes (418293515883 ms) Most likely this is a Linux bug. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers."
[02:27] <crimsun> yes, i know about it
[02:27] <crimsun> it requires a linux patch that's fairly nasty
[02:27] <IntuitiveNipple> pulseaudio -k solved that for now
[02:27] <crimsun> i'm trying to break it into smaller parts so it's mergeable for 9.04
[02:27] <crimsun> well, i can lower the severity of that log message
[02:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Daniel, I don't envy you! I've thought this past few weeks you've got the worst task going!
[02:27] <crimsun> since i already know the cause
[02:28] <crimsun> yeah, it's lovely.
[02:28] <crimsun> i love spending every non-work moment fixing these things.
[02:30] <BUGabundo> crimsun: I already have a liveusb
[02:30] <BUGabundo> tomorrow I'll boot it and see if I have audio
[02:31] <BUGabundo> anything you want me to log?
[02:31] <crimsun> BUGabundo: ok
[02:31] <crimsun> BUGabundo: yes, /var/log/syslog will have some PA debugging messages
[02:31] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio -vvv ?
[02:31] <crimsun> (or /var/log/messages)
[02:31] <BUGabundo> will do
[02:31] <crimsun> sure, you could kill it and run it in the foreground with -vvv
[02:31]  * BUGabundo hopes 2:30 am doesn't make me forget
[02:31] <crimsun> yeah, the spam issue is pretty nasty.
[02:32] <IntuitiveNipple> crimsum: Is there some reason that, to me, it seems as if the upstream development of pulse/alsa/kernel seem to be disconnected from each other to cause all the grief we're seeing?
[02:32] <BUGabundo> spam?
[02:32] <crimsun> BUGabundo: the logging level of snd_pcm_avail_update() causing /var/log to be consumed
[02:32] <SeveredCross> IntuitiveNipple: It doesn't help that ALSA is a shitty API.
[02:32] <crimsun> i.e., what IntuitiveNipple and many others are experiencing
[02:34] <IntuitiveNipple> ouch! "mount: could not find any free loop device"
[02:36] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: how many have you ?
[02:36] <IntuitiveNipple> 7
[02:36] <BUGabundo> AFAIK loop comes with 64 devices
[02:36] <IntuitiveNipple> no, 8 (0 - 7)
[02:40] <IntuitiveNipple> No, 8 by default unless max_loop=X is on the kernel command line
[02:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Damn... this not using modules is all very well until you need to reload one with different parameters!
[02:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Now I need to reboot to increase that and add it to all the grub menu entries
[02:41] <BUGabundo> eheh
[02:41] <BUGabundo> we can't have it all
[02:41] <BUGabundo> either its speed or funcionality
[02:42] <cwillu> IntuitiveNipple, you say 'all the grub menu entries' as if it was harder than editing one kopt= line :p
[02:42] <cwillu> IntuitiveNipple, you _do_ know about kopt=, right?
[02:43] <BUGabundo> and update-grub latter
[02:43] <BUGabundo> or we don't need that anymore?
[02:43] <BUGabundo> its runtime isn't it now?
[02:43] <cwillu> no, you still need to update-grub
[02:43] <cwillu> the file is read by grub at boot, but update-grub takes commented entries and updates the real entries
[02:44] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu: That too, but I have manual additions for various debugging variations so it is more difficult than just doing update-grub
[02:44] <cwillu> IntuitiveNipple, manual stuff should be outside the automagic kernels list section
[02:44] <cwillu> IntuitiveNipple, and kopt already has provisions for particular version numbers within the managed section
[02:45] <IntuitiveNipple> No, not the way I need to work. I need some options in the auto-generated entries for testing
[02:45] <cwillu> IntuitiveNipple, altoptions=
[02:48] <cwillu> IntuitiveNipple, I win?
[02:48] <IntuitiveNipple> huh?
[02:48] <cwillu> did you look at altoptions=
[02:49] <IntuitiveNipple> No, it's not that straightforward as I said.
[02:49] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm needing to constantly set/change different permutations of kernel params so I have to manage them manually
[02:51] <IntuitiveNipple> right - with /var/ now having space the PXE-netboot menu was able to accept the new Xubuntu entry, and now the kernel command line is amended for max_loop=24 there will be enough loop devices for all the PXE/NFS live-CD image mounts, so... time to reboot :)
[02:52]  * cwillu thinks IntuitiveNipple is missing what altoptions does, but anyways :p
[02:52] <cwillu> (you can have more than one)
[02:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I doubt that very much :)
[02:53] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu: I do kernel development, so from minute to minute I'll have diffferent options set and testing/comparing on different kernel versions, so kopt/altoptions just doesn't work well for that scenario
[02:53] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: so do it on boot ?
[02:54] <cwillu> nah, that's just a good way to leave something out or forget what you just tested
[02:54] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: Not the best way to go since I easily forget what I want to test within 10 seconds unless it's hard-coded :)
[02:54] <IntuitiveNipple> right... if this goes well I shall be back :p
[02:54] <crimsun> IntuitiveNipple: workaround for that syslog DoS committed
[02:54] <BUGabundo> what are you talking about? I forget
[02:55] <BUGabundo> yay dan
[02:55] <IntuitiveNipple> let's see if kexec will choose to handle this
[02:55] <cwillu> I still think that altoptions=(testing combo one) max_loop=24\naltoptions=(other workaround re: foo) root=/bar, etc
[02:55] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: pastebin one or 2 of your menu.lst
[02:55] <cwillu> yes, you get more entries on each kernel, but it sounded like you were updating the same options for at least a couple kernels
[02:56] <BUGabundo> cwillu: he is not here now
[02:56] <cwillu> ya, the line was almost done anyway :p
[02:57] <BUGabundo> hehe
[03:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Did I hear someone mention earlier that the iwl3945 driver isn't loading?
[03:02] <SeveredCross> Loading for me.
[03:02] <BUGabundo> (02:55:35 AM) freenode: IntuitiveNipple: pastebin one or 2 of your menu.lst
[03:02] <BUGabundo> (02:55:43 AM) IntuitiveNipple left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
[03:02] <BUGabundo> (02:56:01 AM) cwillu: yes, you get more entries on each kernel, but it sounded like you were updating the same options for at least a couple kernels
[03:03] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I did
[03:03] <BUGabundo> after suspend to RAM
[03:03] <BUGabundo> faild Twice today
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmm, it ain't starting at boot
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> sudo modprobe iwl3945
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> WARNING: Error inserting led_class (/lib/modules/2.6.28-9-generic/kernel/drivers/leds/led-class.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> WARNING: Error inserting mac80211 (/lib/modules/2.6.28-9-generic/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> FATAL: Error inserting iwl3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.28-9-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> oh great: [  379.889060] cfg80211: Unknown parameter `ieee80211_regdom'
[03:05] <BUGabundo> didn't get that
[03:05] <BUGabundo> much less. not a booy
[03:05] <BUGabundo> I had to reboot to get it fixed
[03:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Drat! The cause is #CONFIG_WIRELESS_OLD_REGULATORY is not set
[03:14] <IntuitiveNipple> changed since -7-generic
[03:14] <BUGabundo> bed time 3am
[03:15] <BUGabundo> see you guys tomorrow
[03:21] <IntuitiveNipple> sorted. Have to remove the manual option from /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf if the regulatory domain had been set manually before wireless-crda was available
[03:33] <Cycom> is there a way to disable auto-iso mounting in jaunty?
[03:33] <Cycom> I don't WANT to open it as an archive.
[03:34] <Cycom> opening it with totem causes it to mount the iso and then do nothing in totem
[03:36] <IntuitiveNipple> sounds like a mime-type kind of issue... thinks its an archive and so it should inspect it :)
[03:36] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: but even if I set the default application as totem-xine, it mounts the iso
[03:36] <Cycom> even if I just add it to the playlist, it mounts the iso.
[03:36] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah, that sounds like it reacting to the hal detection
[03:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I think in Nautilus, you can change the automounting reactions
[03:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Look at Nautilus Edit > Preferences > Media
[03:38] <Cycom> ISO isn't on there.
[03:38] <Cycom> wait!
[03:38] <IntuitiveNipple> the check boxes
[03:39] <Cycom> browse media when inserted?
[03:40] <Cycom> even with media Never prompt or start programs on media insertion checked, it still mounts the ISO
[03:40] <IntuitiveNipple> That does sound annoying
[03:40] <Cycom> yeah.
[03:41] <Cycom> especially when I've ripped most of my DVDs so I can watch them on my netbook.
[03:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I remember in Hardy there were two places to affect that, but I *think* that has been rationalised now
[03:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Ooo I love this PXE booting... no more burning various CDs to test :)
[03:42] <IntuitiveNipple> With my luck I'll end up getting a system that can't do PXE next :D
[03:42] <Cycom> I think there's a way to drop a CD in and use PXE from that point on.
[03:44] <IntuitiveNipple> I like being able to customise the Live-CD configuration by exploding the ISO to a directory... makes debugging live-CD issues a breeze
[03:44] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: the question is, where can you change it?
[03:44] <billisnice> anyone tried 9.04 on the dell mini 9?
[03:44] <Cycom> billisnice: yeah.
[03:44] <IntuitiveNipple> I use that combined with netconsole to capture the boot
[03:44] <Cycom> billisnice: it's decent. few little bugs with audio still, jack sensing specifically, but otherwise good.
[03:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Cycom: I'm not sure!
[03:45] <billisnice> is there a forum with info on how to install ubuntu over xp?
[03:45] <billisnice> on the mini 9
[03:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Doesn't the ISO need mounting to access its files?
[03:49] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: yeah, but not to play media like a DVD iso.
[03:54] <IntuitiveNipple> how do you cause it?
[03:54] <IntuitiveNipple> just use totem to playlist an ISO that is a non-data-disk image?
[03:54] <Cycom> yeah
[03:54] <Cycom> a dvd image will mount correctly, and you can view the files on it.
[03:55] <DanaG> How do you get git to discard all local changes to a tree?
[03:55] <Cycom> but it won't play in totem.  the old behavior is to just play the iso.
[03:55] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: if you just do totem-xine dvd://path/to/dvd/image it'll play
[03:56] <DanaG> ah, git reset --hard
[03:58] <Cycom> anyone know how this auto-mount is done?
[03:59] <IntuitiveNipple> DanaG: git reset --hard won't touch files that aren't in the index though.
[04:00] <DanaG> eh, it's a tree that somehow got modified, not intentionally -- so files not in the index, should get trampled on when I re-Make the thing, anyway.
[04:00] <DanaG> I'm going to try the nouveau drm on the nv17.
[04:01] <IntuitiveNipple> I was trying that last week but it wasn't a happy bunny
[04:01] <DanaG> Master is probably the best thing to try with, right?
[04:01] <DanaG> Not some special modesetting branch.
[04:02] <DanaG> Last time I tried the nvidia 96 binary, it merely hung at session login.
[04:02] <DanaG> And then when I did killall -9 compiz, Xorg restarted.
[04:03] <DanaG> Is there any way to get radeon to dither?
[04:05] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought radeon had been dithering for years :p
[04:08] <Cycom> where are gconf schemas stored?
[04:10] <Cycom> I want to try altering one, but gconf-editor doesn't have the ability to
[04:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Cycom, what does this report? gconftool-2 --get /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount
[04:12] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: true
[04:12] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, change it
[04:12] <IntuitiveNipple> gconftool-2 --set --type bool /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount false
[04:14] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: would I need to do anything else to apply it or does the mounting of the Apollo 13 iso prove it didn't work?
[04:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe nautilus needs restarting... might be worth trying to log-out and log-in again
[04:15] <DanaG> argh, stupid gnome-power-manager uses the OLD osd for brightness.
[04:17] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: no dice.
[04:17] <IntuitiveNipple> Cycom: The only thing I can think then is this is Totem doing it
[04:17] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: except that double clicking on the iso has the same effect.
[04:17] <IntuitiveNipple> ahh... scratch that then :D
[04:17] <picklesworth> DanaG: It didn't before. That's a regression from when the capability names changed. Bug still needs to be noticed, I guess...
[04:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Cycom: What does file -i <file.iso> report as the mime type?
[04:19] <picklesworth> Dead easy to fix, though. There should be a recent update to gnome-settings-daemon's media keys plugin. You could probably almost copy + paste it.
[04:19] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: application/x-iso9660-image
[04:20] <IntuitiveNipple> okay, so, you've got something set previously that always mounts it... I had that happen and I can't recall now how I fixed it
[04:21] <IntuitiveNipple> It's the "Open with..." issue. Ahhh! right-click the file choose properties and change it there I think
[04:21] <Cycom> already set to "Movie Player (Xine)
[04:21] <Cycom> "
[04:21] <Cycom> good try though :)
[04:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Nothing set to "Archive Mounter"
[04:21] <IntuitiveNipple> ?
[04:22] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: it's not mounting it as an archive. It's mounting it as a _VOLUME_
[04:22] <Cycom> it shows up in my /home/<me>/.gvfs/
[04:23] <Cycom> I imagine I should've mentioned that before :)
[04:23] <Cycom> I can navigate to it through nautilus and browse it just like any other folder
[04:24] <Cycom> if I open it with archive manager, it doesn't mount it. go figure XD
[04:29] <DanaG> ARGH!
[04:29] <DanaG> nouveau module won't load.
[04:30] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f2dee49a4
[04:30] <DanaG> Disagrees about symbol versions.
[04:30] <DanaG> oh, I see....
[04:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Cycom: I think this aspect of GVFS is the crux of your issue: "GVFS also offers a FUSE mountpoint in ~/.gvfs/ so that GVFS mounts can be exposed to legacy applications using standard POSIX IO"
[04:33] <IntuitiveNipple> The other applicable sentence is "With the switch to GVFS, automounting and autostart are now handled directly by Nautilus rather than gnome-volume-manager"
[04:35] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: so I need to be hitting GVFS with my config hammer. how do I change how it handles things?
[04:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm not sure you need to. If the only mount you're worried about is in ~/.gvfs/ then that is 'by design'
[04:41] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: I don't want gvfs to mount any iso that is ever touched by a gvfs-aware app though
[04:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Looks like you'd need to hack the code for that
[04:42] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: not to mention the fact that it breaks playing isos in totem, which worked in 8.10
[04:44] <IntuitiveNipple> It is weird... I'm sure you've got some setting that is doing the auto-mounting when totem does it's thing. Maybe it is totem causing that
[04:45] <Cycom> IntuitiveNipple: even with totem-xine or any other app as the default program for the iso, double clicking mounts it
[04:46] <Cycom> arg. no, I'm wrong. archive manager doesn't.
[05:20] <DanaG> ah, got it to work.
[05:39] <DanaG> ugh, xorg is using like 40% of my CPU just drawing the desktop.
[05:39] <bazhang> !info eclipse
[05:40] <DanaG> stupid nouveau.
[05:40] <DanaG> Stupid nvidia.
[05:40] <DanaG> Yeah, I really am glad for having ATI.
[05:40] <DanaG> Granted, the nvidia I'm griping about is an old one... but at least ATI gives specs for the cards they desupport.
[05:40] <DanaG> NVIDIA just says, screw you.
[05:44] <DanaG> Something also seems to be absolutely SWAMPING my hard drive with activity -- and it only happens with noveau.
[05:48] <jscinoz-m1330> Hi
[05:48] <jscinoz-m1330> whats up with every process and its dog wanting to start pulseaudio if its not running....
[05:58] <jscinoz-m1330> oh also.... why must pulseaudio be launched by dbus-launch for module-alsa-card to work?
[06:09] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f4a5632ea
[06:13] <DanaG> Yeah, nvidia 96 just plain doesn't work.
[06:14] <DanaG> it segfaults Xorg.
[06:14] <DanaG> Thanks, nvidia!
[06:14] <DanaG> Makes me likely to buy your crap in the future... not.
[06:14] <DanaG> Granted, it's old hardware, but I say, either make the damned thing work.... or give us the damned specs!
[06:14] <DanaG> You can't have your cake and eat it too, or something like that.
[06:18] <DanaG> Here's what it's doing now:
[06:19] <DanaG> auto-login.  crash.
[06:19] <DanaG> auto-login.  crash.
[06:19] <DanaG> auto-login.  crash.
[06:19] <DanaG> You get the point
[06:20] <DanaG> you know, I think I may get a netbook for myself after all, as a real, usable spare system.
[06:21] <DanaG> And then send this one off to whichever of the nouveau developers would be able to use it.
[06:21] <jscinoz-m1330> DanaG: given nouveau a try lately? if you don't need 3d or suspend its pretty good :P
[06:22] <DanaG> For me, it's not good -- it devours like 40% CPU.
[06:22] <jscinoz-m1330> :(
[06:22] <DanaG> And it makes SOMETHING... keep devouring disk activity.
[06:22] <DanaG> And it makes 2/3 of my gnome panel applets just plain not load.
[06:22] <DanaG> They crash, in fact.
[06:22] <jscinoz-m1330> :(
[06:23] <DanaG> 96.43.10 supports X server 1.6?  Oh rreally?  Yeah, and this laptop has a GeForce 4.
[06:23] <DanaG> Nope, it's a 2MX that they CALL a 4.
[06:23] <jscinoz-m1330> gah
[06:23] <DanaG> =þ
[06:23] <jscinoz-m1330> pulseaudio is even more retarded than it was in intrepid
[06:23] <DanaG> It's just as true -- or rather, just as bullshit.
[06:24] <jscinoz-m1330> :(
[06:24] <jscinoz-m1330> pulseaudio cant even be run without X now it would appear
[06:24] <jscinoz-m1330> which is bullshit.
[06:25]  * DanaG shoves this laptop up nvidia's ass.
[06:25] <DanaG> Excuse the profanity, but that's how much it sucks.
[06:25] <DanaG> In fact, even an S3 Savage works better than this.
[06:25] <jscinoz-m1330> :(
[06:27] <jscinoz-m1330> DanaG: and i thought things sucked with my 8400m gs
[06:27] <jscinoz-m1330> anyways, re pulsaudio not starting when x isnt running, here is the output of "pulseaudio" when run in a console http://pastebin.com/f7e76c0d6
[06:28] <jscinoz-m1330> basically the daemon starts, but doesnt set up any of the local alsa devices, only a null output device
[06:32] <Cycom> well, I do have some good news.
[06:39] <Cycom> dtchen: jeeze dude, do you ever sleep?
[06:41] <dtchen> Cycom: sleep is for people who don't have thousand-entry buglists.
[06:44] <Cycom> dtchen: I don't have one of those, and I'm still up.
[06:44] <jscinoz-m1330> grah pulseaudio
[06:44] <jscinoz-m1330> its even more broken yay
[06:44] <dtchen> Cycom: enjoy your freedom ;-)
[06:44] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: yes, i know it's broken.
[06:47] <dtchen> ("its even more broken" isn't very helpful to me if you want it shipping unbroken in jaunty. file a bug report, please.)
[06:52] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: i mentioned above what the problem was and included a link to the pastebin of the output, but no one replied with an answer or requesting more informatino
[06:52] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: which is nice, but that was prior to my joining.
[06:53] <Cycom> dtchen: any news on the jack-sensing?
[06:53] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: one moment
[06:53] <maco> Cycom: its only 3am in our time zone. though dtchen WAS complaining about lack of sleep earlier today
[06:54] <Cycom> maco: don't forget he was on till nearly one last night too.
[06:54] <maco> Cycom: he was on a lot later than that
[06:54] <dtchen> Cycom: i have a build running ATM. it takes about 75 minutes.
[06:54] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: basically if X isnt running, pulseaudio starts but does not initalise the alsa devices and ends up running with only a null sink, paste of output: http://pastebin.com/f7e76c0d6
[06:54] <Cycom> dtchen: wow. is that on a single box, or...?
[06:55] <maco> Cycom: dont know if he was in IRC, but we were sitting in the same room on our laptops when i fell asleep on my laptop at 5am
[06:55] <dtchen> Cycom: it's only vmlinux and sound/*
[06:55] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: waiting for the page to load
[06:55] <Cycom> dtchen: brings me right back to my gentoo days. "OK! I'm ready to install this thing. emerge <something>!" *wait three hours*
[06:56] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: please killall pulseaudio;pulseaudio -vvv
[06:56] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: then refresh the paste, please
[06:57] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: one sec
[06:58] <DanaG> Heh, guess what video driver I'm using now.
[06:59] <Cycom> DanaG: vesa?
[06:59] <DanaG> not quite.
[06:59] <DanaG> But good guess.
[06:59] <Cycom> DanaG: trick question, you're not running X?
[06:59] <DanaG> I'm using fbdev... on nvidiafb.
[06:59] <DanaG> =þ
[07:00] <jscinoz-m1330> DanaG: oh lawd nvidiafb
[07:00] <DanaG> Lower CPU usage than nouveau, for damn sure.
[07:00] <Cycom> man, I wish I could figure out how to bypass this totem thing. why would opening an iso with totem MOUNT the iso in .gvfs and then not play it?
[07:01] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/f71164d42
[07:04] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: 0.9.15-test5 from luke's (themuso's) ppa, i presume?
[07:04] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: yes
[07:04] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: same thing happens in the version in the jaunty repo
[07:05] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: can you verify that `dbus-launch gdmsetup' works?
[07:05] <DanaG> oh yeah, AP 0.9.15 doesn't do network streaming, for some reason...
[07:05] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: why gdmsetup? and i'm not running an x server
[07:05] <DanaG> the UI to enable it is greyed out, and even if you manually enable it, you get protocol errors.
[07:05] <jscinoz-m1330> but dbus-launch pulseaudio does work
[07:06] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: it was necessary to eliminate dbus-launch errors as a culprit
[07:06] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: however, it seems much more elementary than that
[07:06] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: how come it works when i do dbus-launch pulseaudio
[07:06] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: you're explicitly invoking a dbus instance
[07:07] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: is that something pulse should do itself?
[07:07] <jscinoz-m1330> and it isnt
[07:07] <dtchen> no, it's something that should be, and is, handled in the default Xsession.d config
[07:07] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: aye but on intrepid pulseaudio could be started from the console without dbus-launch
[07:08] <dtchen> 8.10's PA is massively different to 9.04's and in turn is massively different from 0.9.15-test5
[07:10] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: also running pulse systemwide doesnt seem to work anymore
[07:10] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: it gives this error reserve-wrap.c: Assertion 'r' failed at modules/reserve-wrap.c:147, function pa_reserve_wrapper_unref(). Aborting.
[07:10] <Cycom> dtchen: I need to hit the sack.  how can I get my hands on the build you're doing?
[07:11] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: yeah, 0.9.15-test5 has some issues there. i don't spend much time fixing it, because 9.04 will ship 0.9.14.
[07:11] <dtchen> Cycom: ping me tomorrow. i haven't mastered time travel like doctor who or the master yet.
[07:12] <Cycom> dtchen: pity, that.
[07:12] <Cycom> dtchen: thanks dude :)
[07:12] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: no but that happens with .14 too
[07:15] <dtchen> jscinoz-m1330: please file a bug after obtaining the -vvv output specifically from 0.9.14-0ubuntu11 (or 0.9.14-0ubuntu12~crimsun1 from my ppa)
[07:16] <jscinoz-m1330> ok will do when i get the chance, thanks
[07:16] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: one other thing
[07:16] <jscinoz-m1330> dtchen: why does every random program that outputs sound try to start pulseaudio if its not already running
[07:16] <dtchen> because i enabled that change [autospawn; see /etc/pulse/client.conf]
[07:17] <jscinoz-m1330> oh thanks
[07:17] <dtchen> if you don't want that behaviour, comment out the relevant line in the aforementioned conffile
[07:17] <dtchen> i've also blogged about this change, and it was mentioned several times on the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list
[07:17] <dtchen> and if that isn't enough, i've used identi.ca and ubuntuforums to announce it
[07:17] <alex_mayorga> is it really that bad? Beeen listening to last.fm all day with not a hiccup, or is my use case just too simple?
[07:18] <dtchen> alex_mayorga: you're lucky in that your hardware isn't as broken as others'
[07:18] <alex_mayorga> thank goodness for that then :)
[07:18] <Finnish> I had some problems with my new monitor, it's a 23" Samsung, it's connected via HDMI to my laptop. I've got the 1920x1080-resolution now in my monitor, manual says it's the right reso for it. But, the screen looks a bit ugly.
[07:18] <Finnish> http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=3802099.png
[07:18] <dtchen> it's a necessary pain. without pulseaudio, we wouldn't be fixing these audio stack bugs.
[07:18] <Finnish> Does it look ok?
[07:19] <alex_mayorga> Finnish, you at least get video, my nvidia card would only output a rainbow of flashing colors :(
[07:20] <alex_mayorga> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/146706
[07:21] <alex_mayorga> does it even make sense that I carry that one over to Jaunty?
[07:24] <Finnish> Seems a bit weird
[08:47] <PerJ> Anyone with Xserver problems after upgrade ?
[08:59] <peace> i get problem with compiz...
[08:59] <peace> that's all
[09:00]  * lucent :)
[09:01] <PerJ> my keyboard responds VERY slow and once logged in, mouse is apparently not working or working extremely slow
[09:02] <peace> mm
[09:03] <peace> have you tried with another kernel?
[09:19] <Dexi> hey guys the procedure for getting flash plugin back?
[09:26] <Dexi> nvm they made a deb now hahah *doh*
[09:27] <Dexi> could anyone brief me on disabling the new notifications for when people sign in on IM?
[10:16] <tgpraveen> u will find it in pidgin plugins
[10:16] <tgpraveen> notification-> configuration
[10:16] <tgpraveen> dexi^
[10:40] <slavik2> Morning
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> !release
[10:53] <slavik2> 2.26 is due soon
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> slavik2: jut testing factoids
[10:54] <slavik2> Oh ...
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> just adding a factoid for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[11:37] <lykkeliten> What is the diffrence between 8.10 and 9.04? I really don`t see any diffrence except new volume controll and loggin display.
[11:37] <lykkeliten> Is that all? lol?
[11:38] <ziroday> lykkeliten: there are a lot of "under the hood" changes
[11:38] <ziroday> lykkeliten: there is also the new notifications etc
[11:38] <lykkeliten> Not as I can see..
[11:39] <ziroday> lykkeliten: well you can test them
[11:39] <TuTUXG> lykkeliten, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview read yourself
[11:39] <lykkeliten> How do I do it then? ....
[11:40] <lykkeliten> Yes, was a nice video of the notification area on that site
[11:40] <lykkeliten> But... where is it? :s
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: its also got the .28 kernel
[11:41] <lykkeliten> This should be named service pack... since that`s what it is.
[11:41] <lykkeliten> Almost no diffrence at all.
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: linux doesnt use service packs
[11:41] <TuTUXG> lots different
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: i assure you theres a lot
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: you just dont notice it as a standard user
[11:43] <lykkeliten> It updated OOo to 3.0... that`s good...
[11:43] <lykkeliten> Why on earth I got a new webbrowser?
[11:44] <lykkeliten> Epiphany ?
[11:47] <pitwalker> Good morning. I have no sound after hibernation. INTEL ICH8
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: it can use a webkit to render smoother, yu are free to install any browser you desire
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> pitwalker: restart hal may help
[11:48] <lykkeliten> I removed it... waste of space.
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: let me guess,  firefox comming in its place
[11:49] <lykkeliten> Opera..
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> yay
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> opera rocks
[11:49] <lykkeliten> and soon Google Chrome...
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> oh only lots
[11:49] <pitwalker> ActionParsnip: ok i kick hal
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> as long as its smaller than firefox
[11:50] <lykkeliten> Google Chrome give me more space on the screen to actualy see the webpage.
[11:50] <lykkeliten> which I love with 1024 x 768 screen.
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: seen liquifox
[11:50] <lykkeliten> Yes, and still, it take more space than Chrome.
[11:50] <lykkeliten> on the screen.
[11:51] <s0u][ight> !info xlibs-dev
[11:51] <LSD200> tbh i found a lot of difference between 8.10 and 9.04 and it's only getting better by the day - yes a lot of it are minor, but some things are big leaps forward
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: just dont have the back forward buttons and use shortcut keys
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> !find xlibs jaunty
[11:51] <lykkeliten> Anyway, next time Apple update their Macbook Pro I`ll buy it.
[11:51] <s0u][ight> ActionParsnip, i have to install those?
[11:51] <lykkeliten> and then I say goodbye to Linux.
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> s0u][ight: not sure but im just giving what ubottu says
[11:52] <LSD200> err - Mac OS is based on linux ;)
[11:52] <s0u][ight> lykkeliten, you can run linux on the macbook pro
[11:52] <pitwalker> ActionParsnip: the restarting of hal if not enough
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: mac is overpriced by miles
[11:52] <lykkeliten> Mac OS X is based on unix... Darwin.
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> pitwalker: restart sound system
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: its more bsd
[11:52] <lykkeliten> ActionParsnip: Still, they got a nice design and good chassie..
[11:52] <lykkeliten> I hate plastic!
[11:53] <LSD200> get a pc then
[11:53] <LSD200> desktop
[11:53] <lykkeliten> Then tell me what pc that goot a ok design and alu. chassie.
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: you're paying an extra 40% price for a pretty case...nice
[11:53] <lykkeliten> LSD200: I need a laptop... Bringing my laptop to the university almost every day.
[11:54] <s0u][ight> e17 is great
[11:54] <lykkeliten> ActionParsnip: Not that much... but still, I think it`s worth it.
[11:54] <LSD200> and you'd rather kart that extra weight around?
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: id say it was that much, you could get a sony viao for a similar cost and it will run faster
[11:54] <TuTUXG> lykkeliten, osx is not base on unix, it uses xnu kernel which is base on mach kernel
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: or a nice toshiba
[11:55] <lykkeliten> Tell me which laptop that have a ok design and alu. chassie.
[11:56] <lykkeliten> or something else.. NOT plastic.
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: tosh r300
[11:56] <TuTUXG> dell adamo looks nice
[11:56] <lykkeliten> but dude, I want 15" screen.
[11:56] <TuTUXG> voodoo envy
[11:56] <LSD200> http://www.gadgetvenue.com/hp-mini-note-aluminium-laptop-04291700/
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/23615.jpg
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: whats funny though is you are chooing a laptop purely on its look, not how fast it is or its capacities
[11:57] <lykkeliten> That one looks nice, ActionParsnip.
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: tosh r500
[11:58] <lykkeliten> I want something else than plastic...
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: i'd look a LOT further than mac's garbage
[11:58] <lykkeliten> and I`ve used Mac OS X on the university sometimes. Really nice
[11:58] <lykkeliten> Most of the mac users are also very satisfyed.
[11:59] <lykkeliten> How can you say Mac is garbage?
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: very little bang for buck
[11:59] <lykkeliten> Almost everything they do is an sucsses.
[11:59] <lykkeliten> Look at Ipod.
[11:59] <lykkeliten> Iphone..
[11:59] <lykkeliten> Macbook are selling very good.
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: you could put a fiat engine in a ferrari, it looks great but runs slow
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> yeah its the isheep philosophy
[11:59] <TuTUXG> don't be a troll, lykkeliten
[12:00] <TuTUXG> this is not a offtopic channel
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> people just buy into whats popular
[12:00] <lykkeliten> TuTUXG: It`s facts.. sorry dude.
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> look at windows
[12:00] <lykkeliten> Windows are shipped with almost all computers.
[12:00] <lykkeliten> That`s why most of them use Windows.
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> 80 - 90% of systems run it but it doesnt make it good
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> people are free to use any OS but dont
[12:00] <pitwalker> how can i restart pulseaudio?
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> doesnt make it "better" does it
[12:01] <lykkeliten> It`s because it`s easyer to just use windows that are preinstalled than installing a new os.
[12:01] <LSD200> really lykkeliten ? wow i'll have to remind everybody at work about that, obviously we don't need to buy a license for every new machine we buy then
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: dont be a sheep, do some research rather than what the marketing people ram down your throat
[12:01] <lykkeliten> You think I lying?
[12:02] <lykkeliten> For my grandmother, ofc it`s easyer to use windows that are allready on her machine
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: i think mac is appauling value for money,just like iphine and ipod
[12:02] <lykkeliten> than installing Linux.
[12:02] <pitwalker> lykkeliten: not easy the reinstralling when you haven't a install CD
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: my grandad uses ubuntu, he web broses and emails all day
[12:03] <lykkeliten> pitwalker: many peoples never reinstall their system at all.
[12:03] <LSD200> lykkeliten: where i work we buy and re-sell systems in mass quantity the machines don't come pre-loaded these days unless you go out and ask for it
[12:03] <lykkeliten> But ofc you guys will always think linux is best.
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: no i dont
[12:03] <lykkeliten> OOo is also best... much better than Microsoft Office?
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: to me its a tool for the job
[12:03] <TuTUXG> no, i admit mac is easy to use, i bought a macbook and gave it to my girlfriend and i also use it, but you cannot ignore the fact macs are overpriced
[12:03] <lykkeliten> and GIMP is better than Adobe Photoshop?
[12:04] <lykkeliten> Not really... just bullshit.
[12:04] <acicula> what TuTUXG said, word
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: if windows can do it better then i'll use it. i'm not a snob like that
[12:04] <LSD200> lykkeliten: there is no best - it's all down to what you want to do with a machine
[12:04] <acicula> they are great at making interfaces and their own stuff interoperable, but it comes at a hefty premium
[12:04] <lykkeliten> ActionParsnip: Sadly many linux peoples are....
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> LSD200: +1
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: i know i'm in #ubuntu almost daily
[12:05] <lykkeliten> Mac is overpriced but it`s worth it I think.
[12:05] <TuTUXG> if you have the money
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: well its your money, if you think its wort it then go get it
[12:05] <lykkeliten> I rather pay another 3-4000 NOK than buying another computer that sucks..
[12:05] <lykkeliten> like this Fujitsu Siemens.
[12:06] <TuTUXG> i like osx i will just put it into my pc, you know you can do that
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> they arent tooo ba
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> bad
[12:06] <pitwalker> okay I have a workaround for no found afet hibernation
[12:06] <LSD200> oh so you have bought a laptop and you think they're all like it?
[12:06] <pitwalker> just i (restart hal), and kill all PID of pulseaudio
[12:06] <lykkeliten> Actionparsnip: 5min batterytime after 1 year? and Fujitsu Siemens doesn`t want to give me a new one... Good? Not really.
[12:06] <Aondo> i would much rather spend more money on good hardware and have linux on it, than spend money on some nonfree software that never updates or remove bugs fast without a prize tag! :D
[12:06] <lykkeliten> This laptop had 6 hours batterytime when I bought it.
[12:06] <lykkeliten> !
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: they should, you have a 1 year parts warranty
[12:07] <lykkeliten> No
[12:07] <lykkeliten> 6 months.
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: check your warranty VERY carefully
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: it may still be covered
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> it depends how you treat you battery too
[12:07] <lykkeliten> I tryed.. Sendt the machine in and they told me they didn`t want to fix it.
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: if you have it plugged in all the time the battery life will pl ummet
[12:07] <TuTUXG> lykkeliten, the macs come with 1 year manufacture warranty as well
[12:08] <lykkeliten> Mac comes with battery sycl...
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: all parts have 1 year warranty
[12:08] <LSD200> if you run a battery down to 80% then re-charge it, then it will die
[12:08] <lykkeliten> wrong... in Norway we have 5 years and 6 months on battery..
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: its not the laptops falt if you mistreat the battery then it will not last
[12:09] <lykkeliten> but if there is something wrong from the manufacter it`s 5 year.
[12:09] <LSD200> just let the battery on your laptop run flat, then charge it for 16hrs, discharge it fully and then repeat process a couple of times
[12:09] <lykkeliten> Action: I didn`t mistreat it.. I used the laptop on the school and used the battery pretty good.
[12:09] <acicula> what do you do with the bat if you are on ac half of the time?
[12:10] <lykkeliten> I actualy removed the battery from the laptop the first months when I used ac.
[12:10] <lykkeliten> and still, after one year I have 5 mins... from 6 hours to 5min.
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: sounds like you got a shoddy battery, whats a new battery cost for it?
[12:10] <lykkeliten> Fucking nice!
[12:10] <acicula> supposedly i'm able to set the min and max charge on the bat, but havent figured out how that works under win
[12:11] <acicula> lykkeliten: how many cycles does it report?
[12:11] <lykkeliten> Action: Way to much... and I`m tired of this laptop. Never ever ever going to buy another Fujitsu Siemens machine.
[12:11] <lykkeliten> No idea.. you can`t check that in Windows.
[12:11] <lykkeliten> and I got no clue how to check it in linux.
[12:11] <acicula> well i have a lenovo SL300, not much better there :P
[12:12] <lykkeliten> I rather want a warrenty on battery cycles than 6 monts..
[12:12]  * ActionParsnip has an eee pc and loves it
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> as well as a Dell D520 for work
[12:13]  * LSD200 walks out of his mind for some grub as he is going to save his sanity
[12:14] <lykkeliten> Anyway, I live cheap.. I don`t drink alcohol, I don`t smoke etc.. so I really don`t think it matter that much if I spend 3-4000 NOK more on a laptop.
[12:14] <TuTUXG> well if i have that money i will spend on something like alienware
[12:14] <lykkeliten> In 1 year I`ve saved enough money for mac only because I don`t drink alcohol.
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> or voodoo
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> http://www.voodoopc.com/
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> bam!
[12:16] <TuTUXG> well, voodoo now only have one laptop
[12:17] <lykkeliten> omg...
[12:17] <lykkeliten> So nice laptop!
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> they used to have killer lappys
[12:18] <TuTUXG> they did
[12:18] <TuTUXG> not anymore
[12:18] <TuTUXG> hp is killing it
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> those hp firebirds arent cheap are they
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/voodoo/firebird/1/storefronts/KY688AA%2523ABA;HHOJSID=pJ46J8xS2vvs0VDkLWLk2FQhQMvlxBKxpxrGM3Lh3vHR825vTSHL!-1522138518
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> no deal
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> or 63 USD a moonth until youu die
[12:20] <lykkeliten> THan I would rather buy a Imac..
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> id get a thinkpad
[12:20] <TuTUXG> well with the same amount of money of a mbp 15' i can get a alienware with 512mb quadro fx 3600m and t9500 2.6g
[12:20] <TuTUXG> 250 7200 rpm hd
[12:21] <lykkeliten> Alienware is even more expensive than Apple...
[12:21] <lykkeliten> omg
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: yes it is
[12:21] <lykkeliten> That`s totaly waste of money.
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> but its prettier, so buy buy buy
[12:21] <lykkeliten> Where did your brain go, Action? :p
[12:21] <TuTUXG> no, i am customizing one right now, and for all those above it's around 2000 usd
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: well thats what you were saying earlier ;)
[12:21] <lykkeliten> You`ve told me not to buy Macbook now for 1 hour because it is expensive.
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: note...sarcasm
[12:22] <lykkeliten> :p
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> !sarcasm
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> damn
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> here's some geek porn
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> 6Tb x 2 in raid
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> 2Gb/s transfer
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> shame its only SATA but it looks groovy
[12:23] <lykkeliten> I could need  2 x 500GB in raid for all my pictures and stuff I want to secure.
[12:23] <lykkeliten> I`ll start to cry if my external hdd die..
[12:24] <TuTUXG> hahaha 24 ssd
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> lykkeliten: then back it up
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> TuTUXG: in raid, its hel fast
[12:24] <TuTUXG> i know
[12:24] <TuTUXG> raid 0?
[12:25] <TuTUXG> or raid 10
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> raid 10
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> (raid isnt really raid)
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> well  raid 0
[12:25] <TuTUXG> it's same, raid 0 and raid 10
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> raid 0 isnt raid
[12:26] <TuTUXG> because not mirroring?
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> raid stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> in a raid 0 you have 2 disks, if one dies, the array dies
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> therefore there is zero redundancy
[12:27] <TuTUXG> but u get more space
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> in radid 1 if a single disk dies the disk will still operate
[12:27] <TuTUXG> but you get your space cut in half
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> raid 0 just uses functionality inherent in raid controllers to gain speed but isnt raid in a true sense of the definition
[12:28] <TuTUXG> i know i know
[12:28] <lykkeliten> oh my god.. that dude on the video above have serius problems with his life..
[12:28] <lykkeliten> Nolifer delux!
[12:28] <TuTUXG> it's geek porn, what are you talking about?
[12:29] <TuTUXG> ActionParsnip, so wiith raid 10 you also got your space cut in half, right?
[12:30] <LSD200> best RAID levels if you can afford it are 5 and 6
[12:30] <LSD200> well actually RAID 50 and 60
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> TuTUXG: RAID 10 (or 1+0) uses both striping and mirroring. "01" or "0+1" is sometimes distinguished from "10" or "1+0": a striped set of mirrored subsets and a mirrored set of striped subsets are both valid, but distinct, configurations.
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> TuTUXG: so you'd need 4 drives minimum
[12:31] <TuTUXG> raid 0+1 is better
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> raid 5+0 if yu can aford
[12:33] <TuTUXG> that's at least 5 hard drives
[12:34] <TuTUXG> no, 6
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> you need at least 3 for raid 5, then double it for 0
[12:35] <TuTUXG> right
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> storage capacity is reduced by 1 disk due to parity
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> so is Alpha 6 any cop?
[12:44] <TuTUXG> cop?
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> haha me and my english slangs
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> good
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> is it decent
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> i had an Alpha 5 release and it crawled
[12:46] <TuTUXG> depends on what are you looking for
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> how do you mean
[12:47] <TuTUXG> for example, i think pulseaudio is getting better
[12:48] <TuTUXG> and somehow my cpu usage decreased
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> i just use whatever my system installs, my soundcard is very linux friendly (as is 100% of my hadware)
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> so i just use what im given
[12:49] <TuTUXG> im assuming my laptop is linux friendly too (tp t61p)
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> i buy from the HCL
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> so i know it works
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> even my wifi
[12:49] <TuTUXG> but pulseaudio was hell few weeks ago
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> so can you clarify what you mean by "what you are looking for"
[12:51] <TuTUXG> i meant which particular bugs or programs you expect to get improved or fixed in alpha6
[12:52] <TuTUXG> like gimp, it was crashing a lot less right now
[12:52] <TuTUXG> it is*
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> TuTUXG: i just wanna get accustomed to jaunty as i lend a tonne of help in #ubuntu and #kubuntu
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> so when users as stuff and i'm on intrepid and it doesnt apply i cant really advise
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> i dont really care about my linux desktop box as i dont use it much which is why i break it loads, but my lappy and fileserver are rocking
[12:55] <TuTUXG> what do you use on you desktop?
[12:56] <TuTUXG> nvm
[12:57] <TuTUXG> tired
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> on desktop is amarok, ktorrent
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> then web browse, chat
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> nothing huge
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> i dont use my computer much. I work with them all week so the last thing i wanna do is use them in my free time
[12:59] <eMaX> hi all
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> hi eMaX
[12:59] <eMaX> one question here - did nautilus recently loose Edit-Preferences-Media-Photos-Open with other?
[12:59] <eMaX> hi ActionParsnip
[13:00] <eMaX> I only have Ask, do nothing, open folder, open with F-Spot
[13:07] <s0u][ight> !info elementary
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> !info elementary intrepid
[13:09] <s0u][ight> ActionParsnip, i need the jaunty version
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> !find element
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> s0u][ight: well it doesnt exist in either in the default repos
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> s0u][ight: apt-cache search element
[13:10] <s0u][ight> doens't give much useful
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> !info gelemental
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> s0u][ight: is that it?
[13:10] <s0u][ight> i have no idea, it's just a package i need to build enlightenment
[13:10] <s0u][ight> e17
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> !e17
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> s0u][ight: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=916690
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> may help
[13:13] <s0u][ight> ActionParsnip, now i feel lazy :)
[13:13] <s0u][ight> and that's not the way i'm doing it
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> its not something ive done
[13:14] <YDdraigGoch> s0u][ight, http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary
[13:15] <s0u][ight> YDdraigGoch, thanks
[13:16] <YDdraigGoch> s0u][ight, You're welcome. It has the installation steps if you scroll down on that page. Ctrl+F for "Getting the basics"
[13:17] <s0u][ight> i saw it already ;)
[13:17] <YDdraigGoch> ^^
[13:18] <s0u][ight> i loved what i've seen from it but can't get it to work :| :D
[13:18] <s0u][ight> most likely not trying hard enough
[13:26] <Finnish> HEllo. I'm trying to watch some avi-films that have about 650x240-reso, plus some movies from DVDs, with my 23"-monitor. Every film chokes! What can be wrong?
[13:27] <ikonia> define chokes ?
[13:27] <Finnish> Frames dropping, system unresponsive..
[13:27] <cwillu> full screen?
[13:27] <Finnish> Yeah
[13:27] <cwillu> works fine at the normal size?
[13:27] <ikonia> what are they encoded with ?
[13:29] <Finnish> RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 668 x 278, 25.00 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[13:30] <Finnish> Works über-fine in windows with VLC
[13:32] <cwillu> Does it work fine at the normal windowed size?
[13:34] <Finnish> Yeah, it works better with smaller window
[13:41] <LSD200> hmm weird ... playing ut2004 on jaunty and it just KO'd itself back to desktop ...
[13:44] <eMaX> re
[13:45] <eMaX> anyone knows what may have gone wrong if suddenly there's no sound output on jaunty? I initially had sound, but even after a reboot, have none. I wonder how to debug that
[13:45] <LSD200> eMaX: go check your default sound output
[13:46] <eMaX> I get module-x11-publish.c: PulseAudio information vanished from X11!
[13:46] <eMaX> in /var/log/messages
[14:07] <eMaX> weird
[14:07] <eMaX> mplayer gives me sound
[14:08] <slytherin> is anyone having trouble playing DVDs with totem, mplayer or VLC?
[14:09] <eMaX> what's wrong if mplayer outputs sound, but anything else, even "beep" in a console, doesn't?
[14:10] <LSD200> eMaX: to me it sounds like your default sound device is wrong - i presume you're running gnome?
[14:11] <eMaX> yes I do
[14:11] <LSD200> 2s going to start a new session and check the option name
[14:12] <eMaX> Thanks
[14:13] <LSD200> go to system - preferences - sound
[14:13] <LSD200> and make sure they are set to your correct output
[14:15] <eMaX> well I use e.g. the first option, for events (have to translate from german), and try anything. no sound output
[14:16] <eMaX> when I use the Test button, I mean
[14:16] <LSD200> have a look at mplayers sound settings in the preferences and see what that is setup like
[14:16] <eMaX> /var/log/user.log contains info
[14:17] <eMaX> module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-source" (argument: "device_id=0 source_name=alsa_input.pci_8086_284b_sound_card_0_alsa_capture_0 tsched=0"): initialization failed.
[14:18] <eMaX> alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: No such file or directory
[14:19] <LSD200> are you using digital out or analogue out?
[14:23] <slytherin> anyone facing any problems with DVD playing?
[14:32] <eMaX> LSD200, how would I know?
[14:33] <LSD200> how do you plug into your speakers?
[14:33] <LSD200> 3.5mm connectors, coax cable or optical cable
[14:33] <eMaX> no is  a laptop w/ built in speakers -thinkpad t61
[14:34] <LSD200> ah k
[14:34] <LSD200> so it will be analogue then
[14:36] <LSD200> i can't see you needing to be using any PCM devices unless i'm massively mistaken
[14:41] <eMaX> ok fixed
[14:41] <eMaX> it
[14:41] <eMaX> /dev/snd/* was crw-rw----
[14:41] <eMaX> and owner was root,audio
[14:41] <eMaX> If I set crw-rw-rw, it works
[14:43] <eMaX> weird is, if I use 660 and root:audio and set the user to be part of audio, it does not work
[14:47] <acicula> eMaX: did you start a new session? otherwise new group assignments wont take effect
[14:47] <eMaX> tnx
[14:48] <eMaX> brb
[14:56] <eMaX> ok thanks
[14:56] <Finnish> Can I install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd driver for my laptop, it has Ati Radeon HD 3450 card in it. Is it compatible?
[14:56] <eMaX> rebooting helped.
[14:57] <slytherin> Finnish: it should be, at least for 2d.
[14:57] <Finnish> If I download it, how do I install it?
[14:57] <slytherin> Finnish: download from where?
[14:58] <Finnish> sudo apt-get?
[14:58] <slytherin> Finnish: apt-get actually installs it.
[14:59] <Finnish> So I need to logout, to use it?
[15:00] <slytherin> Finnish: A restart will be better.
[15:00] <Finnish> Ok, I'll try
[15:41] <picklesworth> Wow, hibernate actually works now!
[15:41] <picklesworth> the splash screen still gives way to ugly little messages in text mode, but it works!
[15:42] <picklesworth> Jaunty is the best bug fix release ever :)
[15:49] <Cycom> dtchen: ping
[15:50] <Cycom> picklesworth: personally, I like the fact that my screen brightness on my E1505 no longer goes to max when increasing, or min when decreasing, with every step. it changes smoothly.
[15:51] <Cycom> dtchen: how'd the build go?
[15:57] <thiebaude> anyone know if there is a big fix for 304871?
[16:00] <cwillu> bug #304871
[16:03] <noren_> hi all my plasma got fixxed today after i got the prereleased updates  :)
[16:03] <cwillu> thiebaude, it's generally safe to say that the launchpad entry for any given bug has the most up to date info, certainly more up to date than irc
[16:04] <picklesworth> GAH, why does the FUSA applet use a completely different dialog than GNOME's System Log Out dialog?!
[16:04] <picklesworth> what a waste of translation effort, among other things
[16:05] <GSMX> when i install alpha-6, there is a strange " second" systray, witout any icons next to the real systray
[16:06] <picklesworth> Yep, that's the message indicator. If you have Pidgin or Evolution open, it will display a little Mail icon you can click on
[16:06] <GSMX> but why does it have to have the same kind of vertical bar next to it? thats really annoying...
[16:06] <GSMX> (and confusing)
[16:07] <picklesworth> I agree.
[16:07] <GSMX> just a little mail-thing would do the trick, wouldn't it (btw, i suppose you mean that thing that is in mark shuttleworths mockupvid about notifications?
[16:08] <picklesworth> They don't want it to be a notification area applet because the notification area is broken. Even though all signs point to it being a completely legitimate notification area applet.
[16:09] <GSMX> strange, because now, if you don't have evolution/pidgin on, theres just a second bar without anything...
[16:10] <GSMX> i really don't understand some decisions made by devs lately... but well, thought it would be a bug, guess its a feature than...
[16:10] <GSMX> picklesworth, thanks for the answer
[16:10] <cwillu> GSMX, pretty standard fare when transitioning between major systems
[16:10] <picklesworth> Probably worth a note on devel-discuss, that the applet takes two times more space than it needs to
[16:11] <cwillu> s/systems/approaches/
[16:12] <picklesworth> although with a drag handle, the thing can be repositioned easily and can be clicked on with any mouse button
[16:12] <GSMX> cwillu, but why can't they do it right in one shot :-P
[16:12] <thiebaude> i agree GSMX
[16:21] <alex_mayorga> how to troubleshoot a non functional 'Alt Gr'?
[16:30] <Ienorand> Does anyone have any information on bug 284377 and/or when it might be corrected?
[16:36] <gov3kor> hi
[16:39] <beardbar> anyone have skype working in jaunty? tried to force install the package but getting dependency errors
[16:40] <tormod> beardbar: make sure you get skype from medibuntu
[16:41] <beardbar> tormod: thanks googling, I had gotten it from the skype page.
[16:42] <beardbar> tromod: awsome site, thanks
[16:45] <cwillu> GSMX, because you can't write the right thing the first time.
[17:03] <httpdss> hey people, i've been trying to find the cause of a bug, and didnt succeed on it... the following occurs: gnome-panel doesnt start and exists with this error http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/11085/screenshot_03_5o5kDM.png
[17:03] <Finnish_> Can someone help me to create a shared folder in virtualbox, I have win XP in virtualbox
[17:03] <httpdss> Finnish_, i thinks thats for #ubuntu ;)
[17:07] <jed> hello jaunties
[17:24] <Myxb> i've upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04. everything's fine so far, but the update-notifier is not working. any way to fix it?
[17:24] <crdlb> :/
[17:24] <cwillu> Myxb, read the release notes much? :p
[17:25] <cwillu> actually, nevermind, they don't list it up front
[17:25] <cwillu> we don't use update notifier anymore
[17:25] <cwillu> the update-manager window will open up in the background once a week if there are updates to be had
[17:26] <cwillu> friendlier for non-technical users ("what does that star mean, anyway?" is a question I hear once a month or so)
[17:26] <cwillu> Myxb, ^^^
[17:27] <Myxb> i see, thanks! will use cli instead :)
[17:27] <cwillu> Myxb, eh?
[17:27] <cwillu> no, just run the update-manager from the admin menu
[17:27] <Myxb> apt-get is better for me i think
[17:28] <cwillu> how so?  update-manager allows you to see the changelogs, and to remove items that you don't want updated
[17:29] <Myxb> it is just a habit. nothing more.
[17:30] <cwillu> Myxb, you will use the update-manager, and you will like it
[17:30]  * cwillu stands over Myxb menacingly with a big stick
[17:30] <Myxb> trying to do it now, stand back!
[17:31]  * yofel votes for aptitude :P
[17:31]  * cwillu quietly backs towards yofel
[17:31]  * cwillu smacks yofel with a yardstick
[17:31] <yofel> ouch :(
[17:32] <Awsoonn_> hey all, I'm tyring to get a bluetooth headset working, but the audio checkbox is gone from the bluetooth preferences. any help?
[17:36] <alex_mayorga> Awsoonn_: stereo bluetooth?
[17:37] <alex_mayorga> been looking for that same help a while back, maybe we can scramble together :)
[17:38] <Awsoonn_> alex_mayorga: I would love anything, stero is a plus
[17:38] <Awsoonn_> what have you found out so far? I know I found out that it's not fun...
[17:39] <alex_mayorga> let me go get my BT dongle and headsets
[17:39] <alex_mayorga> Awsoonn_, that exactly I found
[17:39] <alex_mayorga> and also that #bluez-users is a lonely place
[17:39] <acicula> what i used to do is define an .asound with my bluetooth mac adres, and then try to play to the device
[17:39] <Awsoonn_> hehe, everyone seems to have the blues about BT
[17:40]  * alex_mayorga scrambles in the gadgets/junk closet
[17:40] <Awsoonn_> acicula: do you have some detials on that? how do I define that entry and such?
[17:40] <Awsoonn_> I have the MAC of the device so far
[17:41] <acicula> erm, think there is an example of the bluez utils
[17:41] <acicula> on the bluez website
[17:41] <alex_mayorga> I thought pulse already had BT audio somehow
[17:41] <acicula> dunno
[17:41] <acicula> i tried that as well
[17:42] <acicula> i configured the bluetooth headset, and then added it as a sink to pulse
[17:42] <acicula> however playing to the device and then switching streams or disconnecting the device => instant segfault
[17:43] <acicula> define a pcm.bluetooth {type bluetooth device <mac-adres> }
[17:43] <acicula> in .asoundrc in your home
[17:43] <cwillu> dtchen, ^^^
[17:43] <acicula> and then try playing to it with mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth
[17:43] <cwillu> acicula, filed a bug report?
[17:43] <cwillu> (gentle reminders)
[17:43]  * cwillu believes in drive-by troubleshooting :p
[17:43] <acicula> i did i think
[17:44] <acicula> but that was awhile ago
[17:44] <acicula> cant test anymore since i nuked my headset
[17:44] <beardbar> kpackageedit broke, because of dependencies, says to use a more advanced package manager to fix, but I dont see adept or synaptic in my application list. how do I start these or install them?
[17:45] <cwillu> beardbar, apt-get install synaptic should do it, or you could just use aptitude
[17:45] <beardbar> which one do you suggest?
[17:46] <miik> the screen resolution thing is gone from my menu
[17:46] <acicula> http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices
[17:46] <acicula> that should do it
[17:46] <acicula> the Basic steps portion is enough
[17:48] <Awsoonn_> acicula: I'm working on it now :)
[17:48] <acicula> and for pulse scroll down to the Trying pulse and replace headset with bluetooth
[17:49] <acicula> if you get the crappy sound profile disconnect, kill bluetooth and retry, or manually specify which profile you want
[17:49] <acicula> used to be a sort of go nogo, reactivating the stereo profile to quickly would make my setup default to the crappy voice profile
[17:49] <acicula> you'll know when that happens
[17:49] <acicula> well, hear anyway
[17:50] <Awsoonn_> did you ever try this with skype?
[17:51] <acicula> tried it with a sip phone
[17:51] <acicula> err, twinkle
[17:51] <acicula> dunno about skype
[17:51] <acicula> never really got voice comms with bluetooth working properly though
[17:52] <acicula> plus the voice profile microphone/sound is pretty crappy, lots of static and poor sound quality
[17:53] <deniseweird> anyone using OSS4 here?
[17:53] <Awsoonn_> beardbar: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[17:53] <acicula> wonder if i can use a smarphone with cable headset as a bluetooth headset
[17:54] <Awsoonn_> whao, irssi stoped scrolling on me, XD
[17:54] <deniseweird> i got an error, if anyone can help please do, thanks
[17:55] <deniseweird> sudo soundon
[17:55] <deniseweird> WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release.
[17:55] <deniseweird> WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release.
[17:55] <deniseweird> WARNING: Error inserting osscore (/lib/modules/2.6.28-7-generic/kernel/oss/osscore.ko): Invalid module format
[17:55] <deniseweird> FATAL: Error inserting oss_ich (/lib/modules/2.6.28-7-generic/kernel/oss/oss_ich.ko): Invalid module format
[17:55] <deniseweird> Loading module oss_ich failed - ignored
[17:55] <deniseweird> WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release.
[17:55] <deniseweird> WARNING: Error inserting osscore (/lib/modules/2.6.28-7-generic/kernel/oss/osscore.ko): Invalid module format
[17:55] <deniseweird> FATAL: Error inserting oss_usb (/lib/modules/2.6.28-7-generic/kernel/oss/oss_usb.ko): Invalid module format
[17:55] <deniseweird> Loading module oss_usb failed - ignored
[17:55] <beardbar> awsoonn: ya tried that, think im having bigger issues, wont install and apptitude has like 70 upgrades it cant install. gonna restart
[17:57] <Awsoonn_> !pastebin deniseweird
[17:57] <Awsoonn_> !pastebin | deniseweird
[17:57] <deniseweird> thanks, will do that
[18:00] <deniseweird> i have this problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131669/
[18:01] <deniseweird> thanks in advance if anyone can help
[18:01] <noren__> !flash
[18:01] <Awsoonn_> deniseweird: what are you attempting to achieve?
[18:02] <deniseweird> i'm attempting to get sound working on my system
[18:02] <deniseweird> with OSS4
[18:02] <Awsoonn_> ah I dont know anything about oss4
[18:03] <Awsoonn_> curious as to why you want oss4 specificly though?
[18:04] <deniseweird> because ALSA and Pulseaudio suck (biggest problems being that they are resource hogs, and are not good at mixing)
[18:05] <noren__> !oss
[18:05] <noren__> !info oss
[18:06] <deniseweird> i know. for some reason, ubuntu loves pulseaudio. but only oss works reasonably good for me
[18:07] <Awsoonn_> yea, I dont really care what system is used, I jsut want things to work. *nods*
[18:07] <Twigathy> Pulse works well for me. It does chew through quite a lot of resources though :S
[18:07] <Awsoonn_> I wish i had more EXP in my programming skills. :)
[18:08] <theholyduck> meh. i always prefered pure alsa
[18:08] <crdlb> oss4 uses in-kernel mixing, so it'll never work for ubuntu
[18:08] <theholyduck> its pretty flexible, and pulse have to interact with alsa anyway
[18:08] <deniseweird> alsa sucks even more than pulse with mixing for me
[18:08] <Awsoonn_> crdlb: why i sin kernel mixing bad?
[18:08] <deniseweird> i wish i had programming skills too :(
[18:08] <deniseweird> kernel mixing is fast, i dunno why it's bad
[18:09] <crdlb> because it's too much to have in the kernel
[18:09] <Awsoonn_> i see.
[18:09] <acicula> works quite well of me, way better then daisy chaining different sound daemons and jugling alsa and oss emulation :|
[18:10] <acicula> *for
[18:10] <crdlb> and floating point is not allowed in linux
[18:11] <acicula> if you care that much about mixing, wouldnt you be better off getting a sound card that supports hardware mixing?
[18:11] <Awsoonn_> crdlb: no floating point operations in the kernel huh?
[18:11] <acicula> Awsoonn_: well you have to tie them up to something, then it's ok
[18:11] <deniseweird> i shouldn't need to replace a card that works totally fine for all other systems, and works fine with oss4, just because alsa doesn't support software mixing
[18:12] <deniseweird> i have no problems with freebsd, windows or even haiku with this card. just linux with its alsa
[18:16] <acicula> how did you compile those modules?
[18:16] <deniseweird> i just followed this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound
[18:16] <deniseweird> and compiled from git
[18:17] <deniseweird> (i tried the deb too, same problem)
[18:17] <alex_mayorga> woot, seems like Jaunty doesn'l like my BT dongle anymore
[18:17] <deniseweird> bt dongle?
[18:18] <acicula> bluetooth
[18:18] <alex_mayorga> BT=bluetooth
[18:18] <deniseweird> ok
[18:18] <Twigathy> my bluetooth dongle caused syslog to cause my root disk to fill up
[18:18] <Twigathy> So right now I'm running w/o syslogd >_<
[18:18] <Twigathy> I'll get around to working out what's going wrong with it some day...
[18:18] <Awsoonn_> Twigathy: do you have a BT headset as well?
[18:19] <Twigathy> no, BT keyboard (and trackpad)
[18:19] <alex_mayorga> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 4851:1103  crashed bluetoothd :(
[18:19] <deniseweird> lol
[18:19] <Twigathy> anyway, it's not ubuntu+1, it's ubuntu-1... :)
[18:19] <Awsoonn_> :)
[18:20] <Twigathy> Bus 005 Device 009: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) <-- one of these
[18:20] <Awsoonn_> oh oh...
[18:21] <Awsoonn_> I have the same device
[18:21] <Twigathy> :o
[18:21] <Awsoonn_> 1$ on amazon :p
[18:21] <acicula> me too, not sure if the ID is the same though
[18:21] <Awsoonn_> yea, it is
[18:21] <acicula> lost it though , small stuff
[18:21] <Awsoonn_> XD
[18:21] <alex_mayorga> should I report the crash?
[18:21] <Twigathy> It's a very small semiciclular little USB thingy
[18:21] <Awsoonn_> I was plannign on never having to remove it
[18:21] <Awsoonn_> :P
[18:21] <alex_mayorga> or is a known issue?
[18:21] <Awsoonn_> report would be what I would do
[18:21] <acicula> new laptop came with bt within, no stuff to lose :)
[18:22] <Awsoonn_> a triager in the year 2102 wil mark it as a dup :p
[18:22] <alex_mayorga> hahaha
[18:22] <alex_mayorga> ROTFL
[18:22] <acicula> i'm suspecting my cat found my dongle
[18:22] <Awsoonn_> haha
[18:22] <alex_mayorga> funny, yet true
[18:23] <acicula> w00t found it, under the bed
[18:23] <Twigathy> \o/
[18:23] <acicula> Bus 005 Device 005: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[18:24] <Awsoonn_> yup, matches exactly. :)
[18:24] <alex_mayorga> Awsoonn_: got twitter? I want properly attibute that funny nugget :)
[18:24] <acicula> so far my log is not going bananas
[18:25] <Awsoonn_> alex_mayorga: naw, I dont have twitter
[18:25] <Awsoonn_> besides problaby not a good quote coming forma member of BugSquad. XD
[18:26] <alex_mayorga> haha
[18:26] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[18:26] <BUGabundo> what's new?
[18:26] <alex_mayorga> mine doesn't have a name on lsusb
[18:26] <alex_mayorga> :(
[18:26] <Awsoonn_> Bluetooth headsets SUCK in ubuntu
[18:26] <Awsoonn_> thats what's new :)
[18:26] <noren__> BUGabundo :hi
[18:27] <BUGabundo> Awsoonn_: sucks since gutsy
[18:27] <alex_mayorga> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/337080
[18:27] <acicula> alex_mayorga: the dongle?
[18:27] <BUGabundo> hi noren__!
[18:27] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[18:27] <BUGabundo> you've got mail
[18:27] <alex_mayorga> apport find this one, do I file a dup?
[18:28] <alex_mayorga> acicula: yep, doesn't have a name
[18:28] <alex_mayorga> or do I need parameters to lsusb?
[18:28] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: if it looks like a dupe, sure mark it
[18:28] <BUGabundo> triagers can undupe latter
[18:28] <acicula> alex_mayorga: nope, i have something similar, the dongle lenovo put in just has an id, no name
[18:28] <BUGabundo> lsusb -vvv tends to help
[18:29] <acicula> or it just says lenovo
[18:29] <BUGabundo> bug 343258
[18:30] <BUGabundo> in case any wants to help with my audio bug
[18:30] <alex_mayorga> this is mine https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/343269
[18:30] <alex_mayorga> ??
[18:31] <Awsoonn_> does anyone have a serious replacement for skype?
[18:31] <alex_mayorga> ekiga :)
[18:31] <Awsoonn_> do you use ekiga on a daily basis for hours at a time?
[18:31] <alex_mayorga> you just need to convince the other party to install
[18:31] <alex_mayorga> I don't talk to anyone for ours a time :(
[18:32] <Awsoonn_> I did and could not take the audio quality, or lack therof
[18:32] <alex_mayorga> or :) I'm not the chatty kind
[18:32] <Awsoonn_> I am really hoping that Empathy will have good quality soon
[18:32] <Awsoonn_> I havn't accaully had a voice conversation over it successfully yet
[18:33] <alex_mayorga> Awsoonn_, can you remove the privacy on my bug?
[18:33] <alex_mayorga> it's a different beast it seems
[18:33] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: i have mixed results
[18:33] <BUGabundo> 8 out of 10 empathy A/V fails on me
[18:34] <Awsoonn_> sure
[18:35] <alex_mayorga> Awssoonn_, let me know what else is needed to mark it won't fix :)
[18:35] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: only YOU or a QA menber can do it
[18:35] <BUGabundo> just click on the right side, and unmark the Private flag
[18:35] <alex_mayorga> oh! OK, figured it out, please take a look https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/343269
[18:36] <alex_mayorga> woot it took nm-applet with it too
[18:36] <Awsoonn_> it's already public :)
[18:37] <Awsoonn_> BUGabundo: last I checked BugSquad also could change them to public, no?
[18:37] <alex_mayorga> what else can I give?
[18:38] <Awsoonn_> attach lspci -vv output as well please
[18:38] <Awsoonn_> that might be helpfull :)
[18:38] <alex_mayorga> attach or comment?
[18:38] <BUGabundo> Awsoonn_: them too lol
[18:39] <Awsoonn_> ^^
[18:39] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: attach
[18:39] <BUGabundo> easier to read
[18:39] <noren__> i am not getting sound in the flash player any advicce
[18:39] <beardbar> i just need skype for chat
[18:40] <BUGabundo> I just use skype to test my webcam
[18:40] <alex_mayorga> attached
[18:41] <acicula> gstreamer-properties can also test it
[18:41] <alex_mayorga> noren__, check you don't have mute activated, JK
[18:41] <BUGabundo> true
[18:41] <BUGabundo> but the driver mantainer asks cheese, camorana and skype
[18:41] <BUGabundo> and ekiga
[18:42] <acicula> dont they all use video4linux
[18:42] <noren__> no man wass trying to watch some youtube but no sounfd
[18:42] <Awsoonn_> skype has their onw deal
[18:42] <Awsoonn_> cheese blows up on me whenever I try to use it with one execptio
[18:42] <Awsoonn_> skype can still use the webcams though.
[18:45] <BUGabundo> acicula: NO
[18:45] <BUGabundo> Awsoonn_: file bug
[18:45] <alex_mayorga> Awsoonn_, can I safely remove the dongle or do I need to issue a command or something before?
[18:45] <BUGabundo> it is either V4L related or RGB capture
[18:45] <Awsoonn_> yank'er out
[18:45] <BUGabundo> most times its driver and v4l/v4l2 related
[18:46] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: you should eject it
[18:46] <Awsoonn_> yea I file a lot of bugs
[18:46] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, how?
[18:47] <Zeroyez> does jaunty installer install grub 2 or grub legacy?
[18:47] <alex_mayorga> I can consistently make pidgin connect/disconnect from MSN, whenever I block a spammer it disconnects/connects
[18:47] <BUGabundo> doesn't it show on mounter?
[18:48] <BUGabundo> oh wait, ppl don't add that applet
[18:48] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: grub2
[18:48] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: file a bug on LP, and them upstream it to pidgin.im BTS
[18:48] <BUGabundo> and link both
[18:49] <BUGabundo> if you have the stomachat for it go to #pidgin and ask for help, AFTER you file the bug on pidgin.im BTS
[18:49] <alex_mayorga> let me look in pidgin's trac
[18:49] <BUGabundo> http://developer.pidgin.im
[18:51] <alex_mayorga> can anyone do a quick confirm on the pidgin thingie?
[18:51] <Zeroyez> BUGabundo: (2:51:25 PM) fezie: well i don't know ubuntu but i know grub2 and grub-legacy, and only grub-legacy prints error numbers instead of messages
[18:51] <Zeroyez> are you sure it's grub 2?
[18:52] <sparr> having trouble getting kwin to start, complains that kwin3_oxygen.so is corrupt.  happened on jaunty-as-of-yesterday and jaunty-as-of-right-now.  http://rafb.net/p/WiIJ7L79.html
[18:52] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: I can't
[18:52] <BUGabundo> I don't add spammers on the 1st place
[18:52] <BUGabundo> ola joaopinto
[18:52] <joaopinto> ola BUGabundo
[18:52] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: yes... grup 1.98
[18:52] <BUGabundo> its 2
[18:53] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, me neither, but I get at least 2 check my webcam msgs every 30 minutes, I would though so do everyone else
[18:53] <bruce89> alex_mayorga: that's interesting, Empathy disconnects when adding a new contact on MSN
[18:54] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: ahh?
[18:55] <alex_mayorga> let me go ask in #pidgin
[18:57] <BUGabundo> file the bug...
[18:57] <BUGabundo> and be ready... they are NOT gentle
[18:57] <BUGabundo> not even close to what we are in here
[18:58]  * BUGabundo $ pkill notify-osd 
[18:58]  * bruce89 wonders why they only require GTK+ 2.4
[18:58] <alex_mayorga> I probably just drop msn, it's just to much spam comming my way
[18:59] <Zeroyez> well, is it possible to install jaunty on 2nd hard drive? because so far i see it as not possible
[18:59] <Zeroyez> grub always shows up with error 17
[18:59] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: just change privacy settings
[18:59] <BUGabundo> and only allow ppl you add
[19:00] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: it seems you are not using the Advance option on the installer correctly
[19:00] <BUGabundo> how many OSs do you have?
[19:00] <BUGabundo> do you have boot loaders on just on disk or both?
[19:00] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: Is that done on pidgin or msn.com?
[19:01] <Zeroyez> i have 2 OS's, Windows 7 on /dev/sda and Ubuntu Jaunty amd64 on /dev/sdb
[19:01] <bruce89> alex_mayorga: Pidgin
[19:01] <Zeroyez> bootable flag is on /dev/sdb1 (where jaunty is on)
[19:02] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: on the IM client. in this case pidgin
[19:02] <Zeroyez> grub is install to "root (hd1,0) setup (hd1)"
[19:02] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: so BIOS is booting from sda right?
[19:02] <BUGabundo> you need to install grub there... not on sdb
[19:02] <JediMaster> hey guys, after an update a few days ago, I've been getting huge audio problems when playing videos in just about any playerm, anyone know what's causing it?
[19:02] <Zeroyez> bios is booting from /dev/sdb1
[19:02] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[19:02] <JediMaster> e.g. if I play a video, pause it, then resume the audio will be garbled static
[19:03] <BUGabundo> JediMaster: lucky you... I don't even have sound
[19:03] <BUGabundo> JediMaster: file a bug against pulse audio
[19:03] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: lets start fresh then
[19:03] <BUGabundo> so grub is on sdb and bios is booting from there
[19:03] <BUGabundo> what happens when you get to grub?
[19:04] <Zeroyez> GRUB Loading stage1.5 ... Error 17
[19:04] <BUGabundo> can you reinstall it?
[19:05] <BUGabundo> just grub, of course
[19:05] <Zeroyez> i reinstalled grub about 14 times so far
[19:05] <Zeroyez> since we started talking
[19:05] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[19:06] <sparr> Looks like this guy had my same problem, had to completely reinstall KDE.  I think I will just abandon the Oxygen theme.  http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101481.0
[19:06] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: wait... backup a bit
[19:06] <BUGabundo> what are you using now? that pc?
[19:06] <BUGabundo> or another?
[19:06] <Zeroyez> nah i'm using my desktop, installing on my laptop
[19:06] <BUGabundo> how do you install it? chroot to the disk?
[19:07] <Zeroyez> i run jaunty rescue mode installer, then go to shell (/dev/sdb1)
[19:07] <Zeroyez> then type grub
[19:07] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:07] <BUGabundo> next
[19:07] <BUGabundo> I usually just boot the livecd , chroot to disk, and run grub-install
[19:07] <BUGabundo> and that's it
[19:07] <tmeixner_> my plasma just crashed on kubuntu. Is there a way to recover my session? Tried plasma but it just exits.
[19:08] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: do you think u can try?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> if that doesn't work, file a bug... could be a bug on grub or installer
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Zeroyez: Did you have an external USB drive also connected to the PC when you installed grub?
[19:08] <Zeroyez> i don't have a live cd
[19:08] <BUGabundo> alternate one should have shell too
[19:08] <Zeroyez> i installed from an external usb drive using unetbootin with mini.iso
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> haha!
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought as much
[19:08] <BUGabundo> can you download one of them?
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> What has happened is the device.map thinks that other drive is still there.
[19:09] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: known unetbootin bug?
[19:09] <Zeroyez> i don't own a cd burner
[19:09] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: usb pen?
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Zeroyez: will it boot if that other drive is connected?
[19:09] <Zeroyez> no
[19:09] <BUGabundo> I think that was for me
[19:09] <Zeroyez> i haven't tried taking the usb stick out
[19:09] <BUGabundo> or not
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> It's still in?
[19:09] <Zeroyez> yeah
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> take it out!
[19:10] <Zeroyez> OMG
[19:10] <Zeroyez> IT WORKED
[19:10] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah I know
[19:10] <IntuitiveNipple> simple when you know how :p
[19:10] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[19:10] <BUGabundo> is it filed?
[19:10] <BUGabundo> should be on release notes too
[19:10] <BUGabundo> akgraner: ping
[19:10] <IntuitiveNipple> it's a user error pure and simple
[19:11] <BUGabundo> is it?
[19:11] <Zeroyez> woah, booting jaunty comes up with a billion fails
[19:11] <IntuitiveNipple> BIOS ordering verus OS ordering - common issue with external USB devices that are recognised as bootable by a BIOS
[19:11] <Zeroyez> User syslog does not exist, aborting...
[19:11] <Zeroyez> It was booting from the hard drive, not the USB stick
[19:12] <Zeroyez> must be a grub glitch thinking oh the usb stick exists let's hate on the user
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> No, nothing to do with grub... it takes its info from the BIOS
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> but the OS independently IDs the drives
[19:12] <Zeroyez> alright "klog" does not exist, and "syslog" does not exist -- how do i fix these 2 problems?
[19:13] <alex_mayorga> any takers on my bluetoothd crash?
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> The order in which the devices are recognised by BIOS (relied on by grub-boot) is different from the order the OS reports (relied on by grub-install)
[19:13] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: I think you have the one
[19:14] <BUGabundo> that we are discussing one #ubuntu-bugs
[19:14] <Zeroyez> well i'm glad to know it's a bug in discussion and not a fixed bug >.>
[19:15] <Zeroyez> "cannot open password database!" "segmentation fault"
[19:15] <Zeroyez> doesn't seem to be a very friendly bug
[19:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I think you've got installation issues there
[19:16] <Zeroyez> must have been from running grub-install to every possible combination in the world :/
[19:16] <IntuitiveNipple> the mini ISO may not have everything there
[19:16] <BUGabundo> yeah
[19:16] <BUGabundo> that's not exaclty what we are seeing!
[19:16] <IntuitiveNipple> I can't imagine grub causing those errors... they're OS issues during init
[19:16] <BUGabundo> or a network timeout
[19:16] <BUGabundo> during install
[19:17] <Zeroyez> oh, network timeout is most likely
[19:17] <Zeroyez> i experience 3 second lag spikes every 4 minutes
[19:17] <Infecto> Zeroyez: see dmesg
[19:18] <Zeroyez> think i'll just do a reinstall instead of having to spend hours having the mini install disc redownload the rescue portion of the cd to open up a shell and look at one output message :(
[19:20] <IntuitiveNipple> I've been enjoying using PXE-netboot for all the releases and flavours.
[19:20] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: from local archive?
[19:20] <zxd> jaunty have security updates?  it's supposed to be unstable ? unstables have security updates?
[19:21] <BUGabundo> I used to boot from Web mirrors
[19:21] <BUGabundo> no longer supporteed
[19:21] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Ubuntu/NetbootPxeLiveCDMultipleReleases
[19:21] <BUGabundo> zxd: no
[19:21] <BUGabundo> they just go to main archive
[19:22] <zxd> what is jaunty-security/
[19:22] <zxd> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-security/
[19:22] <Zeroyez> IntuitiveNipple: if i would have known about that page i'd have saved $20 on burnable dvd's
[19:22] <IntuitiveNipple> zxd: That's for when Jaunty has been released
[19:22] <BUGabundo> it should be empty
[19:22] <zxd> I see
[19:22] <BUGabundo> as are backports
[19:22] <BUGabundo> and updates
[19:22] <Infecto> any one use pidgin?
[19:22] <Zeroyez> i do :)
[19:22] <BUGabundo> Infecto: me
[19:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Zeroyez: What page? my Wiki article? I only wrote it end of last week :)
[19:23] <Infecto> to icq?
[19:23] <BUGabundo> 1000 crashs a min?
[19:23] <Infecto> i have problem with connect to server
[19:23] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: no... zxd question
[19:23] <Infecto> say that my client is to old
[19:23] <BUGabundo> Infecto: ask on #pidgin
[19:23] <Zeroyez> IntuitiveNipple: yes, although i've seen hundreds of similar ones...yours actually makes sense
[19:23] <Infecto> but i have last version from repo
[19:23] <Infecto> ok
[19:23] <BUGabundo> but make sure to read /topic
[19:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Zeroyez: thanks... it certainly makes things useful here for testing ... especially exploding a live-CD image and modifying its files for debugging
[19:24] <Infecto> ok ;)
[19:27] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I used to boot from local iso (mounted on grub)
[19:27] <tmeixner> I can't play music on a smb share with amorak on kubuntu. Local files work.  Is that normal?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> and even extrating the image content
[19:27] <BUGabundo> and then chroot from recovery console
[19:27] <BUGabundo> tmeixner: seems like a bug
[19:28] <BUGabundo> check LP for it
[19:28] <BUGabundo> agains gvfs
[19:28] <tmeixner> is that the smb implementation?
[19:30] <BUGabundo> its where stuff gets mounted now
[19:31] <akgraner> BUGabundo: how goes the day?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> calm!
[19:33] <BUGabundo> thanks
[19:35] <bruce89> tmeixner: it is on GNOME, so you're after kio probably
[19:42] <Zeroyez> when i install jaunty, what kernel should i be choosing - i want to use a laptop as a server for some stuffs, and a window comes up giving me the choice between linux-generic, linux-server, linux-image-generic, linux-image-server, linux-image-2.6.28-9-generic, linux-image-2.6.28-9-server
[19:43] <Zeroyez> first of all, what's the difference between linux-generic, linux-image-generic, and linux-image-2.6.28-9-generic?
[19:44] <xtknight> yo can someone do me a favor?
[19:45] <xtknight> "sudo apt-get install vlc-plugin-pulse vlc"  and start vlc.  select the PULSE audio output in the config.  then see if vlc plays audio properly
[19:46] <BUGabundo> xtknight: have something for you
[19:46] <xtknight> i always enjoy getting things
[19:46] <xtknight> ;)
[19:47] <BUGabundo> xtknight: from bryce logs :
[19:47] <BUGabundo>    * 139990 - Fixed & Uploaded - "Xorg with two video cards crashes or
[19:47] <BUGabundo> locks up"
[19:47] <BUGabundo> seems similar to the bug you mention yesterday
[19:47] <xtknight> hmmm
[19:47] <xtknight> my memory is failing me
[19:47] <BUGabundo> xtknight: I won't trust vlc pulse plugin
[19:47] <BUGabundo> only gave me trouble last time I tried it
[19:47] <xtknight> yeah i was going to file bugs on it and try to get it fixed
[19:48] <xtknight> about the xorg thing i cant even remember what i was talking about
[19:48] <xtknight> sure it was me?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> when I have sound back, I'll test it again
[19:48] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:48] <BUGabundo> either you or IntuitiveNipple
[19:48] <BUGabundo> memory fails on me 2
[19:48] <xtknight> yeah dunno
[19:49] <xtknight> and you have snd-hda-intel right?
[19:49] <xtknight> with the jack problem
[19:49] <BUGabundo> someone helping an user with 2 screen
[19:49] <BUGabundo> and failed to get to the login
[19:49] <BUGabundo> on kde I think
[19:49] <xtknight> oh that was IntuitiveNipple
[19:49]  * beardbar gives up on getting skype installed
[19:49] <xtknight> yea for sure
[19:49] <xtknight> i remember
[19:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Wasnt that the one where the user needed to unplug the 2nd screen?
[19:49] <xtknight> xorg not returning screen info correct and compiz messing
[19:50] <xtknight> or returning info for all screens as screen0
[19:50] <IntuitiveNipple> That issue Bryce is referring to is a different one - multiple physical video chipsets caused Xorg to fall over.
[19:51] <BUGabundo> beardbar: use medibuntu static package
[19:51] <BUGabundo> works great on 64bits
[19:51] <BUGabundo> and PulseAudio
[19:51] <BUGabundo> ah ok IntuitiveNipple
[19:51] <BUGabundo> got it wrong then
[19:51] <beardbar> could not get it to work, thats what i used, kept asking me for 32 bit libs when i tried to install
[19:51] <BUGabundo> twice
[19:51] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:52] <BUGabundo> beardbar: sudo apt-get install ia32?
[19:52] <beardbar> yep did that as well
[19:52] <IntuitiveNipple> There are a lot of regressions in the multiple-screen/monitor/device area at present
[19:52] <xtknight> my multiple monitors work great under twinview
[19:52] <Brinstar> i am having serious problems with sound on jaunty
[19:52] <xtknight> Brinstar, aren't we all
[19:53] <beardbar> im running 3 monitors fine, just no effects
[19:53] <xtknight> specifically?
[19:53] <Brinstar> haha oh is it that bad? :)
[19:53] <Brinstar> its cutting out when doing very basic things like watching movies, or playing games
[19:53] <beardbar> ya i havent been able to get sound to work either
[19:53] <xtknight> Brinstar, did you try tsched=0
[19:54] <Brinstar> xtknight: no, where should i use that?
[19:54] <alex_mayorga> beardbar: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free or something similar worked just fine here
[19:54] <xtknight> Brinstar,  gksu gedit /etc/pulse/default.pa
[19:54] <Brinstar> aha thanks
[19:54] <xtknight> add " tsched=0" after module-hal-detect and module-detect
[19:55] <xtknight> load-module module-hal-detect tsched=0
[19:55] <xtknight> load-module module-detect tsched=0
[19:55] <Brinstar> ok
[19:55] <beardbar> tried that too, doesnt work for amd64. ok ya guys have given me a second wind, starting from the top
[19:55] <xtknight> save the file.  now in console, "killall pulseaudio; pulseaudio"
[19:55] <BUGabundo> I just hope no one messes mine! its working 100%%%% great
[19:55] <BUGabundo> for the 1st time in months
[19:55] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: join the groups
[19:55] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: which groups
[19:56] <BUGabundo> no audio
[19:56] <BUGabundo> my latest attempt
[19:56] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/343258
[19:56] <Brinstar> ah ok
[19:57] <matrixblue> when the official release comes out we'll be upgraded automatically right?
[19:58] <xtknight> matrixblue, upgraded from jaunty dev to jaunty final, yes
[19:58] <xtknight> not from intrepid to jaunty
[19:58] <matrixblue> aight
[19:58] <matrixblue> is there any giant leap from Alpha to Beta?
[19:59] <xtknight> depends what alpha
[19:59] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: sorry to be stupid, but what do i do now, just report the bug again?
[19:59] <matrixblue> Alpha 6
[19:59] <xtknight> from alpha 6 probably not,  alpha 6->beta is usually small bugfix time
[19:59] <Brinstar> at the group?
[19:59]  * beardbar shakes head
[19:59] <xtknight> they freeze it after alpha 6 and start fixing bugs only, not introducing new features
[19:59] <xtknight> or something like that
[19:59]  * Brinstar lols
[19:59] <xtknight> Brinstar, so is your audio fixed after restarting pulseaudio?
[20:00] <beardbar> so i installed the packages fromd dolphin, and it installs skype first time fine. when i did from the command line it always errored out. lol so happy now
[20:00] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: depends!
[20:00] <BUGabundo> there are SO many bugs against audio now
[20:00] <BUGabundo> its hard for some one new and even old timers
[20:00] <BUGabundo> to see if its dupe or new
[20:00] <Brinstar> xtknight: i did that, now just waiting to see what happens
[20:00] <BUGabundo> if its new, we only get more and more
[20:00] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: thats what i thought
[20:00] <BUGabundo> and they will probably be forgten
[20:02] <Brinstar> yeah
[20:02] <Brinstar> xtknight: i think some updates came out today for pulseaudio
[20:02] <Brinstar> xtknight: did u check?
[20:02] <matrixblue> this is my first time Alpha testing Ubuntu
[20:03] <matrixblue> I hope they can really fix all the bugs within the next month
[20:03] <xtknight>   *  Reenable  0030_set_tsched0.patch,  which re‐disables glitch‐free;
[20:03] <xtknight> good move on his part...
[20:03] <beardbar> BUGabundo: has anyone written up any general troubleshooting guids for audio and oss that you know of?
[20:03] <matrixblue> my pidign keeps crashing and usb creator crashes as well
[20:04] <matrixblue> plus k3b and Brasero keep failing every 4th CD or so
[20:04] <xtknight> we should be concerned about stability, not new features all the time that are not ready for general use
[20:04] <Zeroyez> pidgin crashes a lot on windows too
[20:04] <tmeixner> matrixblue: I can confirm the usb-creator on kubuntu. but I saw there was already a bug report.
[20:04] <matrixblue> good point there
[20:04] <Brinstar> matrixblue: think of it as doing your bit, each time an app crashes on you its for the greater good :)
[20:04] <matrixblue> I do try to see it that way
[20:05] <Brinstar> really? pidgin has been rock solid for me so far on alpha
[20:05] <matrixblue> especially when these bug reports are more than 10 megs to upload
[20:05] <Brinstar> yeah i know
[20:05] <matrixblue> Do you use MSN?
[20:05] <Brinstar> yeah
[20:05]  * BUGabundo hasn't check updates today yet! 2G is too slow for that
[20:05] <Brinstar> msn and irc mostly
[20:05] <BUGabundo> beardbar: there are a few wiki pages plus dan and themuse blogs
[20:05] <matrixblue> I get some DNS error then it gives a segmentation fault
[20:06] <BUGabundo> xtknight: want stable? go debian
[20:06] <Brinstar> did u install alpha 6 as a new install?
[20:06] <xtknight> BUGabundo, but then we get no features
[20:06] <xtknight> ;)
[20:06] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: most pidgin crashs are plugin, network, or gtk related
[20:06] <xtknight> and i did try that....
[20:06] <matrixblue> I started with alpha5
[20:06] <Brinstar> hmm
[20:06] <Brinstar> you could have some settings left over from alpha 5 that were a bit screwy
[20:07] <BUGabundo> xtknight: can't have both
[20:07] <BUGabundo> errr you can but only with a lot more devs and code, and test...
[20:07] <BUGabundo> o wai
[20:07] <xtknight> but you can make smart decisions about the new features that go in
[20:07] <BUGabundo> oh wait.. that's what we are doing every 6 months
[20:07] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:07] <xtknight> there's a happy medium here
[20:07] <matrixblue> I disabled all my plugins
[20:08] <tmeixner> could someone please confirm that kubuntu amarok can't play files on a smb share before I file a bugreport?
[20:08] <xtknight> the kernel was ready to go in, ext4 was ready...no serious issues with those...
[20:09] <matrixblue> I'm beginning to think that a new version every 6 months is a bit excessive
[20:09] <xtknight> 9 months would be better
[20:09] <Zeroyez> lol how do i turn pc beep off
[20:09] <tmeixner> I think suse went to 8 month recently.
[20:10] <matrixblue> let's go with annually
[20:10] <xtknight> 3 more months to get all the bugs out...and yet we could all still be using jaunty
[20:10] <xtknight> annually isn't bad either
[20:10] <Zeroyez> backspace in console too much = very very very very very loud beep
[20:10] <xtknight> i'm not concerned about how it is now, i'm concerned how it's going to end up when it's released
[20:10] <Cycom> Zeroyez: rmmod pcspkr...
[20:10] <xtknight> bugs now are par for the course
[20:10] <xtknight> but a lot of times serious bugs still spill into the release
[20:10] <beardbar> xtknight: how many monitors you running, and did you get the bug when holding down keys in input boxes on non primary displays restarting kde?
[20:11] <Zeroyez> cycom: it's still beepin
[20:11] <matrixblue> Can we really expect magic in 5 weeks?
[20:11] <xtknight> beardbar, hrmm well i don't use kde, but i'm runnig 2 monitors
[20:11] <beardbar> ahh ok
[20:11] <Cycom> Zeroyez: you did "sudo rmmod pcspkr"?
[20:11] <Zeroyez> no just rmmod pcspkr, i don't have sudo installed as it's an annoyance to me
[20:11] <xtknight> Zeroyez, or terminal profile has options for the "terminal bell" which needs to be off
[20:12] <Cycom> Zeroyez: are you even running ubuntu?
[20:12] <Zeroyez> of course :)
[20:12] <xtknight> he's using root
[20:12] <Zeroyez> there's an option in the advanced install to install with "just root, ignore users, no sudo"
[20:12] <Cycom> Zeroyez: it's an unusual choice... but ok.
[20:12] <matrixblue> Why would someone do that?
[20:13] <Zeroyez> hey, it's normal on etch
[20:13] <xtknight> my brother does that with his kubuntu
[20:13] <crdlb> btw, use 'modprobe -r' not rmmod
[20:13] <matrixblue> that makes his installation just like windows
[20:13] <Zeroyez> indeed it does, who doesn't love windows?!
[20:13] <xtknight> i mean, i dont see the big deal with root privs all the time.  u pretty much need them to do anything useful
[20:14] <matrixblue> I don't
[20:14] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: really??????
[20:14] <xtknight> and if a virus gets on ur pc without root privs, it can still delete all ur personal documents
[20:14] <Zeroyez> bah still beeping
[20:14] <crdlb> xtknight: accidents
[20:14] <BUGabundo> that's not the  buntu policy
[20:14] <xtknight> crdlb, yeah that's true
[20:14] <crdlb> it's much easier to back up your documents than your system
[20:14] <xtknight> well not really
[20:14] <Zeroyez> pssh who gets a virus without an internet browser
[20:14] <xtknight> i dont care so much about my system
[20:14] <xtknight> i can reinstall that
[20:15] <BUGabundo> xtknight: you just run test systems
[20:15] <Zeroyez> the most insecure peice of software on my system is apt-get
[20:15] <BUGabundo> you don't know what personal Computer is
[20:15] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:15] <xtknight> pfft ;p
[20:15] <xtknight> i reinstall every month anyway.  or end up doing that for whatever reason.  so that's why i dont care :0
[20:15] <matrixblue> Why do you re-install every month?
[20:15] <Zeroyez> ^ does same, except every 3 days
[20:15] <xtknight> haha
[20:16] <crdlb> I've only done two clean installs on this laptop ever (which I got in Dec 2004)
[20:16] <Brinstar> :)
[20:16] <Zeroyez> "oh, hit the wrong configure option on alsa, damnit, reinstalling"
[20:16] <crdlb> the first was gentoo, the second was ubuntu
[20:16] <BUGabundo> I resinstall around release
[20:16] <BUGabundo> and then distupgrade (or um -d)
[20:16] <Cycom> crdlb: how was gentoo on it?
[20:16] <xtknight> matrixblue, not necessarily true, but has been true lately.  i've been hit with a terrible nvidia bug and when i force rebooted my system, it more or less destroyed xorg.  was easier to reinstall.  and that took about 3 installs to debug that nvidia bug fully
[20:16] <xtknight> very, very elusive bug
[20:16] <crdlb> Cycom: fine?
[20:17] <xtknight> i keep my /home separate
[20:17] <Zeroyez> hmm, can i install the x server from intrepid on jaunty?
[20:17] <Cycom> crdlb: last time I installed gentoo I went nuts because stuff segfaulted constantly on x86. two different machines.
[20:17] <crdlb> ouch
[20:17] <xtknight>  / more or less does not change much at all, except for the packages i end up installing
[20:17] <Zeroyez> considering ATi sucks at updating graphics drivers
[20:18] <Cycom> Zeroyez: only if you don't run windows :)
[20:18] <crdlb> Zeroyez: you can try, it might not work though :)
[20:18] <matrixblue> I have an ATI card too
[20:18] <matrixblue> and they do suck
[20:18] <BUGabundo> xtknight: since hardy you can have just one partition
[20:18] <BUGabundo> installer will remove system files and keep users ones
[20:18] <xtknight> i always reinstall when a new ubuntu releas comes out.  dist-upgrades are recipes for disaster. no??
[20:18] <BUGabundo> IF you don't choose to format
[20:18] <crdlb> c'mon ATI, fglrx 9.3 has to support xserver 1.6 >_<
[20:18] <crdlb> if it doesn't, they might as well not release it ...
[20:19] <Zeroyez> they said they were putting 1.6 support in 9.4, not 9.3
[20:19] <crdlb> I know
[20:19] <Brinstar> ATI dont care about linux users
[20:19] <BUGabundo> xtknight: dist-upgrades work before alpah1
[20:19] <crdlb> but that's freaking stupid
[20:19] <Cycom> crdlb: I still get that nvidia bug with the stuff flashing black occasionally, but turning off anything related to VSync in compiz and nvidia settings has reduced/fixed it :)
[20:19] <Brinstar> nor do nvidia
[20:19] <BUGabundo> after that I would go with um -d
[20:19] <Zeroyez> are you sure Brinstar?
[20:19] <Brinstar> nvidia are lesser of two evils though
[20:19] <xtknight> BUGabundo, ah cool.  i did not know that.  still for disasters i like my /home separate.
[20:19] <crdlb> Brinstar: are you Kanye?
[20:20] <Zeroyez> every linux nvidia driver i have ever installed on any linux distro has worked with 0 problems
[20:20] <Brinstar> yeah if they did, they wouldnt consistently release such shitty drivers
[20:20] <Brinstar> crdlb: as in the singer, no, as in whoever else, no again :)
[20:20] <Zeroyez> however, every ati graphics driver on linux is more of a 1 in 100 it worked thing
[20:20] <xtknight> Zeroyez, lol i know
[20:20] <crdlb> Brinstar: I meant the singer :)
[20:20] <matrixblue> I just use the Mesa drivers
[20:21] <Brinstar> :)
[20:21] <BUGabundo> does every one see this on Update Manager
[20:21] <BUGabundo> E: The package cache file is corrupted
[20:21] <BUGabundo> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[20:21] <BUGabundo> ??????????
[20:21] <xtknight> try 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[20:21] <BUGabundo> me?
[20:21] <xtknight> yea
[20:21] <xtknight> the upside of always FUBARing your system is knowing how to fix it lol
[20:21] <Zeroyez> i found the best graphics support on jaunty is to install it in virtualbox with ati drivers on windows host and vbox drivers on ubuntu and use full screen mode :)
[20:21] <BUGabundo> nothing there
[20:21] <BUGabundo> and just one update?????
[20:22] <bruce89> !who | BUGabundo
[20:22] <BUGabundo> mirror must be crazy
[20:22] <Zeroyez> just pretend windows isn't there
[20:22] <Brinstar> intel drivers, even though the hardware is usually crap, are consistently stable
[20:22] <xtknight> Zeroyez, may be a good idea heheh
[20:22] <BUGabundo> bruce89: I think that was meant to xtknight
[20:22] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:22] <bruce89> och, whoever it was, read it
[20:22] <xtknight> Brinstar, i kinda disagree
[20:22] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: intel driver were good
[20:22] <Zeroyez> intel hardware is great
[20:22] <BUGabundo> until the EXA / UXA stuff pop in
[20:22] <SwedeMike> Brinstar: apart from for instance the fact that you can't use a GM4500HD on 8.10 even though drivers were released in july, way before it was really released.
[20:22] <Brinstar> xtknight: hehe i wish
[20:23] <xtknight> Brinstar, someone yesterday was affected by a memory leak in the intel drivers afaik and the intel wireless iwl3945 has been terrible for my other friend
[20:23] <xtknight> i thought they were awesome too until i saw these problems
[20:23] <Brinstar> SwedeMike: yeah but for the larger number of cards intel have, the drivers are good though
[20:23] <xtknight> they sure seem to support linux more and have more open source stuff...
[20:23] <SwedeMike> I'm actually running UXA on 9.04 and it usually works, at last with vblank off
[20:23] <Brinstar> i know there have been problems recently like with the GMA900 and as you say the 4500HD
[20:25] <Brinstar> xtknight: i see what you mean, but on the whole, i notice a lot more people raise support queries for ATI drivers than for intel ones
[20:25] <xtknight> Brinstar, yup
[20:25] <CarlFK1> what package will satisfy  ffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libavutil.so.50: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:25] <xtknight> CarlFK1, none on jaunty
[20:25] <xtknight> you will have to compile libavutil
[20:26] <xtknight> u prolly compiled ffmpeg or something?
[20:26] <crdlb> if you did, just rebuild ffmpeg
[20:26] <Brinstar> with ATI its like getting the drivers to work is a game in itself
[20:26] <crdlb> that's just an ABI soname bump
[20:26] <crdlb> Brinstar: except for radeon :D
[20:26] <Brinstar> hehe
[20:26] <CarlFK1> xtknight: right - trying to build in x264
[20:27] <BUGabundo> CarlFK1: isn't x264 already in?
[20:27] <CarlFK1> crdlb: I just did, ran it, got that message.
[20:27] <BUGabundo> I watch stuff fine
[20:27] <BUGabundo> or is it encoding?
[20:27] <crdlb> CarlFK1: then it's looking in the wrong place I guess
[20:27] <CarlFK1> BUGabundo: right - trying to encode
[20:27] <SwedeMike> oh, and sometimes when I resume from suspend I am logged out because something crashed.. I don't know if it's compiz or the X server, but it has restarted.
[20:28] <crdlb> is libavutil is part of ffmpeg?
[20:28] <xtknight> i think
[20:28] <crdlb> SwedeMike: with intel?
[20:28] <SwedeMike> crdlb: yes. Thinkpad X200 with 4500
[20:28] <crdlb> there's a bug filed for that
[20:29] <SwedeMike> ah. nice. I didn't know what to file it for.
[20:30] <BUGabundo> SwedeMike: me too
[20:30] <BUGabundo> bug 335465
[20:31] <BUGabundo> its invalid?
[20:31] <Brinstar> offtopic but thats what i gotta get next, the x200
[20:31] <crdlb> CarlFK1: what prefix did you use?
[20:31] <xtknight> BUGabundo, because he has to provide bryce with a backtrace before the bug is valid again
[20:31] <BUGabundo> xtknight: He is ME
[20:31] <xtknight> well he=yo
[20:31] <xtknight> :P
[20:32] <SwedeMike> hm, that doesn't match my behaviour
[20:32] <maco> its still a valid bug...
[20:32] <BUGabundo> I closed it and forgot about it
[20:32] <crdlb>  there's a different bug against the intel driver
[20:32] <maco> just not a useful one :P
[20:32] <BUGabundo> maco I can't ssh to the machine
[20:32] <BUGabundo> if that's the only one I have in hand when it crashes
[20:32] <SwedeMike> hm, oki, this started happening a few weeks back, before that I had little problems. like most of january was stable.
[20:33] <BUGabundo> SwedeMike: agreed
[20:33] <SwedeMike> for me it just restarts, I have little problem apart from the fact I have to login again and restart applications
[20:33] <crdlb> when it happens here, X sometimes shows a trace in VT7 mentioning a double-free
[20:33] <SwedeMike> let me look at Xorg log
[20:34] <BUGabundo> crdlb: here too
[20:34] <BUGabundo> but not always
[20:34] <BUGabundo> last one, I got reconnect to tty 7
[20:34] <SwedeMike> oh, and now it happened again, I just get static in mplayer when playing ... then pulseaudio dies, restarts by itself, and then everything is fine again for a while
[20:34] <BUGabundo> and not 8 as usual, with trace on 7
[20:34] <alex_mayorga> confirm please https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/343316
[20:36] <Brinstar> that happens to me too SwedeMike
[20:36] <Brinstar> it just works for a few minutes then stops then returns
[20:37] <exco> someone else having problems with wireless? (disconnects every few minutes, slow "authentication", ...)
[20:37] <SwedeMike> Brinstar: well, mine can work for several hours then it starts misbehaving, I restart mplayer a couple of times, pulseaudio says internal error, dies, mplayer uses alsa, I restart mplayer again, everything is fine again, it's using pulse again
[20:37] <BUGabundo> exco: are you far way from the AP?
[20:38] <exco> not further than in Intrepid/Hardy ;-)
[20:38] <BUGabundo> need a confirmation for bug 297523
[20:38] <exco> about 5 meters
[20:38] <BUGabundo> exco: many drivers have change
[20:38] <BUGabundo> oh ok... that's close
[20:38] <BUGabundo> WPA? WPA2?
[20:39] <SwedeMike> http://pastebin.com/m42fadc68 I think this is when my intel Xorg dies
[20:39] <exco> the intel 2915abg is particularly worse than before - I have to use an additional pcmcia ralink card to have somewhat useable internet
[20:40] <SwedeMike> well, at least intel 5ghz works again
[20:40] <xtknight> BUGabundo, hmm not sure exactly how to reproduce this.  which column are u resizing?
[20:41] <exco> BUGabundo: wpa2 is a nogo - have to try that again a few more times, but the ralink card doesn't support it so I'm now using wpa only to be able to switch to the second card if the first one won't connect
[20:41] <BUGabundo> xtknight: any
[20:41] <BUGabundo> ususally 1st
[20:41] <xtknight> BUGabundo, "Package"?
[20:41] <xtknight> i dont get a resize column on the "S" or " " columns
[20:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I've found another apparent bug/issue with pulseaudio. Can anyone else confirm this? Whilst a local mp3 is playing in Rhythmbox the Gnome panel System Monitor network monitor shows a high level of network activity - it didn't do that previously. Using iftop I can see 1.73Mbps of traffic on "lo"
[20:41] <xtknight> but i cannot seem to reproduce it
[20:42] <BUGabundo> xtknight: trying to search any thing and resize any collum tends to fail to me
[20:42] <xtknight> BUGabundo, hmmm
[20:42] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I think that because some apps are streaming the sound via TCP
[20:42] <BUGabundo> now that PA accept it
[20:42] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: that 'first-click' issue isn't limited to Synaptic, and it has been around since Hardy. I often get it with Nautilus for example
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: that would make sense.
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: annoying though since I can't filter in the System Monitor
[20:43] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: are you sure? I only see it on Syn
[20:43] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: install/add the netspeed applet
[20:43] <BUGabundo> and set it to Lo
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: very... it has been frustrating me for over a year. I made a bug report about it ages ago
[20:43] <BUGabundo> I have 2
[20:44] <xtknight> i can't tell which bug u guys are talking about
[20:44] <BUGabundo> one for lo and one for card (wifi, 3g,vpn, wired)
[20:44] <BUGabundo> xtknight: by now. me neither
[20:44] <BUGabundo> my attention span is close to zero
[20:45] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: just be aware and please test bug 335507
[20:45] <BUGabundo> if you install it
[20:45] <exco> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/d5ad6cd48 I don't see anything particular that's wrong...
[20:46] <xtknight> IntuitiveNipple, well sending stuff over 'lo' is just like using a named pipe...but i dont see any traffic on lo at all with iftop
[20:46] <xtknight> while playing audio in totem
[20:46] <BUGabundo> exco: you won't see anything there
[20:46] <BUGabundo> you need to enable debug
[20:46] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingNetworkManager
[20:47] <BUGabundo> xtknight: my lo is at 2.7KiBs
[20:47] <xtknight> BUGabundo, sudo iftop -i lo
[20:47] <xtknight> ?
[20:47] <BUGabundo> sudo: iftop: command not found
[20:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:47] <BUGabundo> serves nethogs?
[20:47] <xtknight> apt-get it
[20:47] <exco> BUGabundo: I will read that and file a bug report/s - the jaunty forum is full of wireless issues btw
[20:48] <BUGabundo> TX:             cumm:  77.0KB   peak:    273Kb                                                rates:   13.3Kb  77.0Kb  77.0Kb
[20:48] <xtknight> ya i get 0 0 0 0 0 0 nothing whatsoever while playing audio
[20:48] <BUGabundo> exco: I'm subcribed to all NM packages
[20:48] <BUGabundo> so I know how much bug mail it gets
[20:48] <xtknight> and i know it's not broken.  ping localhost gives me traffic
[20:48] <BUGabundo> I just have pidgin and FF
[20:50] <BUGabundo> brb
[20:50] <BUGabundo> friend at door
[21:17] <herenbdy> heya... changed to Jaunty Jackelope on my EEE PC, now when windows maximize, they completely ignore the top panel
[21:17] <herenbdy> if I set the panel to Autohide, maximized windows still go too far
[21:18] <herenbdy> really annoying.. can't see the title bars :(
[21:18] <BUGabundo1> you guys are really obbeying! lol I asked and you guys stood calm until I came back... nice
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> ok
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> corner case but need a confirmation
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> kmail on gnome
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> opening links fails the 1st time
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> works on the next few for a while
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> if I stop a few minutes
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> the 1st attemp fails again
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> kio bug?
[21:28] <BUGabundo1> where is everyone??
[21:28] <YDdraigGoch> Here!
[21:29] <YDdraigGoch> BUGabundo1, was that meant to be a #ubuntu=bugs question? :)
[21:29] <BUGabundo1> YDdraigGoch: not quite
[21:29] <BUGabundo1> its a jaunty thing
[21:29] <BUGabundo1> actaully its NEW
[21:29] <BUGabundo1> started this week
[21:35] <melik> anyone know what all the kinit errors and synaptic resume reset errors are about?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> I don't
[21:35] <BUGabundo> but I think I already told you that
[21:35] <melik> yeah you did, i remember
[21:35] <melik> :$
[21:35] <rayne_> How is the current build of Jaunty?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> and asked to be put on the loop if you find out
[21:36] <BUGabundo> rayne_: give it a try your self
[21:36] <melik> BUGabundo, where can i find the bootup log file?
[21:36] <rayne_> BUGabundo, Thinking about it, if it is reasonably stable :)
[21:36] <melik> im in /var/log/
[21:36] <BUGabundo> boot? dmesg? kernel?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> any of them
[21:37] <BUGabundo> rayne_: ppl on #ubuntu+1 feel its is quite stable for an alpha
[21:37] <rayne_> BUGabundo, Will I be able to update to final release through it? Or will it require a complete re-install?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> sure
[21:37] <rayne_> Again that is... after installing the latest Alpha
[21:38] <BUGabundo> ah??
[21:38] <BUGabundo> update-manager makes it all good
[21:38] <hggdh> rayne_, if you keep on updating from current Jaunty, you will get the final release
[21:38] <BUGabundo> talking on updates, no new packages today?
[21:38] <hggdh> or, for that matter, any Jaunty you install
[21:38] <BUGabundo> did archive admins took weekend off?
[21:39] <rayne_> hggdh, Do you have a linky for the current build?
[21:39] <hggdh> there is a link for daily builds, but you can pretty much just get alpha6
[21:39] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[21:40] <hggdh> thanks, BUGabundo
[21:40] <rayne_> Thanks
[21:40] <BUGabundo> no prob
[21:40] <BUGabundo> I have it on hand
[21:42] <rayne_> Anything I should try once I boot up Jaunty?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> rayne_: Backups Backups Backups
[21:43] <BUGabundo> and after that Backups  ?
[21:43] <rayne_> lol
[21:43] <BUGabundo> plus read the release notes
[21:43] <BUGabundo> I'm not laughing
[21:43] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[21:43] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha6
[21:43] <rayne_> I have use 3 partitions, so the only one I will be effecting is the OS one
[21:43] <BUGabundo> not really
[21:43] <BUGabundo> I've been hit by upgrades that mess users conf files
[21:44] <BUGabundo> or isntallers emptying entire disks
[21:44] <BUGabundo> or user error
[21:44] <BUGabundo> or even a laptop never boot again (this past week on one of my FOSS class)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> so Backups Backups Backups
[21:45] <melik> when is the beta due?
[21:48] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[21:48] <BUGabundo> melik: ^^^^^
[21:49] <melik> oh wow, so close =)
[21:50] <BUGabundo> eeheh
[21:51] <Dembroski13> hello
[21:51] <BUGabundo> Dembroski13: hi
[21:52] <Dembroski13> I decided to give in and install the beta. I ran 8.10 sence the 5th alpha I think
[21:53] <hggdh> Dembroski13, you mean the alpha6, right?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> no
[21:53] <Dembroski13> for 8.10 I got the alpha 5
[21:53] <BUGabundo> he means beta on jaunty
[21:53] <BUGabundo> and a5 on ibex
[21:53] <BUGabundo> on jaunty I started the earliest ever
[21:53] <hggdh> ? are we already on beta?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> pre alpha1
[21:53] <BUGabundo> hggdh: not yet
[21:54] <hggdh> so there...
[21:54] <BUGabundo> again, Dembroski13 said he would start using jaunty on beta
[21:54] <BUGabundo> heeh
[21:54] <hggdh> ah. I am really slow today...
[21:54] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:54] <Dembroski13> correct. I'm downloading it now.
[21:55] <hggdh> OTH, I just succeeded on rebooting after a weird error, so I guess I have a nice excuse ;-)
[21:56] <BUGabundo> Dembroski13: tehre no beta yet
[21:56] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:57]  * BUGabundo this is getting confused
[21:57] <Dembroski13> Yes. indeed it is
[21:57]  * hggdh welcomes BUGabundo 
[21:58] <hggdh> to the same confused area
[21:59] <BUGabundo> Dembroski13: alpha 6 come out this week
[21:59] <BUGabundo> you can have a more up to date daily image
[21:59] <BUGabundo> check
[21:59] <Dembroski13> I know. I'm install alpha 5
[21:59] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[21:59] <BUGabundo> to know the release date of beta
[21:59] <BUGabundo> Alpha5 is really old
[21:59] <BUGabundo> get A6 or daily
[21:59] <Dembroski13> I am aware of that
[21:59] <BUGabundo> and save the bandwith of updating
[22:00] <BUGabundo> or installer probs/bugs
[22:00] <Dembroski13> So stop the download of alpha 5?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> sure
[22:00] <BUGabundo> if you just started
[22:01]  * BUGabundo to help us relax, /me offers http://www.funtasticus.com/20090310/tooshie-tuesday-march-10-2009/ (NSFW)
[22:01] <Dembroski13> I have downloaded like 900 packages
[22:02] <BUGabundo> packages???
[22:02] <BUGabundo> or iso ?
[22:03] <Dembroski13> packages...like I said
[22:03] <BUGabundo> please explain
[22:04] <Dembroski13> It says 950 out of 1108 packages downloaded
[22:04] <Dembroski13> I'm doing it through the "Distribution upgrade"
[22:05] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:05] <BUGabundo> using update-manager -d ?
[22:05] <Dembroski13> correct
[22:06] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:06] <Dembroski13> Should I just cancel it?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> no no
[22:26] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I've just updated your bug #335507
[22:27] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:27]  * BUGabundo looks
[22:28] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I'm not that noob
[22:28] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:28] <BUGabundo> I know about the combo
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I enable and disable it at will
[22:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Well, with that enabled I can monitor all the devices
[22:29] <BUGabundo> not for me
[22:29]  * DanaG is bored
[22:29] <BUGabundo> that's the bug
[22:29] <BUGabundo> its stopped working for wired
[22:29]  * DanaG wishes open-source ATI driver supported compiz.  =þ
[22:29] <DanaG> and power management.
[22:30] <BUGabundo> and the world was a safer place, no?
[22:30] <IntuitiveNipple> So you select eth0 and nothing is reported?
[22:32]  * DanaG wishes there were a fglrx for jaunty NOW.
[22:34] <maco> DanaG: it does
[22:34] <maco> DanaG: well depends on the card
[22:34] <DanaG> Not for R600.
[22:34] <DanaG> I guess I should've been more specific.
[22:35] <maco> but on a radeon 9250, fglrx will do compiz at like 1fps and menus wont open. but with -ati open source, it's great. i once fought opensuse when it tried to force fglrx for that card with compiz :P
[22:35] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: eth0 just shows as unplug
[22:35] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: but it is the active connection on the system?
[22:36] <BUGabundo> sure
[22:38] <IntuitiveNipple> It calls glibtop_get_netload(). There was an update to libgtop2-7 very recently
[22:39] <IntuitiveNipple> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/libg/libgtop2/libgtop2_2.25.91-0ubuntu1/changelog
[22:41] <lbt> Hi, a clean install of jaunty just gave me the old  perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").      http://pastebin.com/d3c65eb36
[22:42] <lbt> I'm pretty sure this is becase LC_TIME = "en_GB", and not LC_TIME = "en_GB.UTF-8"
[22:45] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: yes that would do it
[22:45] <IntuitiveNipple> How did you install Jaunty?
[22:45] <lbt> iso into VirtualBox
[22:46] <matrixblue> Did anyone ever figure out how to change your keyring password?
[22:46] <lbt> I can't see where LC_TIME is set
[22:46] <lbt> file /etc/default/locale only has :  LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
[22:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I meant as in which installation method? live-CD, alternate CD, debboostrap ?
[22:47] <IntuitiveNipple> It comes from the locale
[22:47] <lbt> sorry, 1sec
[22:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I solved that in a set of scripts for installing to VMs using debboostrap a while ago... let me dig out the article.
[22:48] <lbt> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/ then mounted iso as a CDROM
[22:48] <lbt> then normal desktop install to 8Gb vdk file/disk
[22:49] <lbt> AFAICT I was simulating a normal install
[22:49] <lbt> and, TBH this has plagued every Debian/Ubuntu install I've ever had <grin>
[22:50] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: The key will be the packages language-pack-en language-pack-en-base and having...
[22:50] <lbt> trivial problem that I can't fix "properly"
[22:50] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt... /etc/localtime symlinked to the correct zoneinfo
[22:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Here's what my script does: sudo ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/${UML_TZ} /etc/localtime
[22:51] <lbt> there is no localetime
[22:51] <DanaG> ugh, damned PIO sdhc card reader.
[22:51] <DanaG> No DMA == suckage.
[22:52] <lbt> sorry I looked for localEtime; localtime is not a symlink
[22:52] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: sudo ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London /etc/localtime
[22:53] <lbt> I'm more reporting it to be fixed pre-release :)
[22:53] <IntuitiveNipple> If the zoneinfo is missing that's the "tzdata" package
[22:53] <BUGabundo> ppl see you tomorrow
[22:53] <BUGabundo> [[]]
[22:53] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I'm building you a debug version of netspeed_applet2 to get some info
[22:53] <lbt> no, zoneinfo is there and fine
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: Looks like something didn't manage to create the initial link.
[22:54] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:54] <lbt> no, it created a file though
[22:55] <lbt> damn, I deleted it
[22:55] <lbt> it looks like something copied the London file
[22:55] <lbt> (same size)
[22:57] <lbt> is it worth putting on launchpad?
[23:00] <IntuitiveNipple> If you can reproduce it, yes.
[23:02] <lbt> OK - ta
[23:08] <danbhfive> !schedule
[23:11] <lbt> IntuitiveNipple: that didn't fix it :(
[23:11] <IntuitiveNipple> which "that" in particular?
[23:11] <lbt> linking /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London
[23:12] <lbt> I found several bugs 181418 315335
[23:13] <lbt> which seems a harsh summary. A "standard" ubuntu response to typing "perl" is 9 lines of error
[23:15] <bruce89> bug 315335
[23:15] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: Just looked at my script again. The other thing it does is write to /etc/environment "LANG=${UML_LANG}"
[23:16] <IntuitiveNipple> UML_LANG is a valid language string
[23:16] <lbt> :)
[23:17] <lbt> but LANG is set... ?
[23:18] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah... you say LC_TIME looked wrong though?
[23:18] <lbt> I did
[23:18] <lbt> it's en_GB
[23:18] <lbt> it should be en_GB.UTF-8
[23:18] <lbt> (or = $LANG)
[23:18] <lbt> AFAIUI
[23:18] <IntuitiveNipple> that is weird. That looks like it got chopped by a sed operation :)
[23:19] <lbt> well....
[23:19] <lbt> en_GB is valid I think
[23:19] <lbt> but not if LANG is more explicit
[23:19] <lbt> I *think*
[23:20] <lbt> or maybe not
[23:21] <lbt> LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8 perl is nice and quiet
[23:21] <DanaG> oh yeah, so I finally did get Jaunty on an SDHC card.
[23:22] <DanaG> What's up with g-p-m using the OLD notifications for brightness?
[23:29] <melik> http://omploader.org/vMWR3Mw/pasta
[23:30] <melik> anyone know what thats all about?
[23:39] <IntuitiveNipple> melik: It means what it says. You're not running a real-time kernel so there's no RT support
[23:40] <melik> it kept crashing flashplugin
[23:40] <IntuitiveNipple> really?
[23:40] <melik> i just added my user to pulse-rt
[23:40] <melik> and its fine now
[23:40] <melik> yeah IntuitiveNipple
[23:41] <IntuitiveNipple> nice one! post a bug report for that!
[23:41] <lbt> As an aside that's not actually what it says. It says the user doesn't have privileges, not that the feature isn't in the kernel
[23:41] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: yeah, I was being liberal.
[23:41] <lbt> sorry :)
[23:42] <IntuitiveNipple> real-time isn't going to be enabled for pulseaudio because the preempt stuff can cause more issues than we care to deal with
[23:42] <melik> yeah going to ahead now
[23:42] <IntuitiveNipple> thanks melik
[23:42] <IntuitiveNipple> That's a neat discovery... suggests the package might add users to that group regardless of RT caps
[23:42] <melik> well ill be honest, i don't really know if that was the reason flash kept crashing.
[23:42] <melik> but i'm pretty sure
[23:51] <melik> IntuitiveNipple, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/343413
[23:51] <melik> is that fine, i havent reported a bug before :/
[23:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Let's see if I can reproduce it :)
[23:53] <melik> im not really sure if it was because of pulse-rt
[23:53] <melik> but it seems to be working fine now
[23:57] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm... flaw in my plan... need a way to make flash crash on demand :D
[23:58] <hix> u should be in groups: pulse, pulse-rt, pulse-access  it seems. I had no sound in flash, this made it work
[23:59] <IntuitiveNipple> I've always had flash sound withouth those