[00:41] just thought i'd paste a reminder every op should keep in mind [00:41] [01:41:20] <-- Keal has left this server (""Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -Hanlon's Razor"). [00:51] hehe [00:54] I prefer nickspoons [00:55] LjL: I might do a crosstich home proverb on my wall from that [00:57] http://gingeranyhow.com/texts/text18.html [00:58] Seeker`: nickspoon's is just nickspoon's [00:59] Myrtti: the battery looks like it's got a bit of wear [01:01] and camels! [01:03] http://blog.craftzine.com/archive/2008/07/arkanoid_cross_stitch.html [01:48] Hey :) [01:48] J-_: i don't know just which brands of routers are affected and which of them have firmware upgrades to fix it [01:48] J-_: but you can probably find it somewhere if you start from the links at the bottom of the wiki page about it [01:49] J-_: netgear i think mostly, but not really sure [01:49] LjL: Ah, yeah. My firmware is uptodate. [01:49] J-_: anyway, the router tries to be too smart for its own good, and open ports when it thinks it's getting a DCC SEND request [01:49] J-_: except that if you're given a malformed request (even just in the form of a plain privmsg with dcc send in it), it crashes [01:50] LjL: Ah okay. [01:50] J-_: since the router only cares about 6667, as that's where IRC is supposed to live, being on 8001 fixes it [01:50] Nice [01:50] J-_: you'll see just what sort of strings trigger it when you ask the bots for your test [01:50] never repeat them. [01:51] LjL: Cool. [01:51] Thanks [01:51] np [02:14] had you just pastebinned the stupid thing 20 minutes ago like I asked, we would've solved this issue then. [02:14] * Flannel grumbles. [05:15] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [05:15] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [05:15] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [06:50] ziroday called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (thefeds) [06:50] someone ought to ban that host post-part [06:52] anyone? [07:15] Flannel, which what where? [07:27] elky: thefeds in -ot [07:36] if he comes back again... you'll know by the belrs3.optusnet hostmask. there's only 2 others on freenode from the same area [08:09] Flannel, libfprint sees and enrolls fine [08:10] their gui sucks major eggs though [08:47] * jussi01 waves sleepily [09:33] Flannel, although, i havent figured how to use it still. i have fingers enrolled now, but it's not tied in with sudo etc yet... [09:33] Really? [09:33] I enrolled mine, and everything magically worked. [09:33] Only thing I couldn't do without first typing my username was unlock the screen [09:34] nope, not even sudo on cli works [09:34] as i said, i used fprint instead of tf [09:42] mmmmm egg [09:43] I'm going to try to stay away from the computer today and clean [09:43] Myrtti: you can try... (;) [09:44] i got the work script to a fairly good condition so I'll use today to clean [09:45] and as Irc is fairly painful on this 770, --> [10:55] In ubottu, ActionParsnip said: !jauntyrelease is For the release schedule of Jaunty Jackalopee, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule Thanks. [11:11] !jaunty [11:11] Jaunty Jackalope is the code for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support. [11:12] ubottu: no, jaunty is Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support. [11:13] In #ubuntu-ops, Tm_T said: ubottu: no, jaunty is Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support. [11:13] bah [11:13] heh [11:14] @login [11:14] The operation succeeded. [11:14] ubottu: no, jaunty is Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support. [11:15] !jaunty [11:15] Jaunty Jackalope is the code for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support. [11:15] nice... [11:15] I give up, food -> [11:17] !-web [11:17] web has no aliases - added by bazhang on 2009-03-14 16:44:06 [11:17] !forget web [11:17] I'll forget that, bazhang [11:18] !no jaunty is Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support. [11:18] I'll remember that bazhang [11:18] !jaunty [11:18] Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support. [11:18] odd [11:18] bazhang: welcome to my reality (;) [11:19] * bazhang huggles Tm_T [11:23] Tm_T, no more problems with drostie, thanks [11:24] i unplugged the dell about half an hour ago. it's now saying 5hrs 35mins of charge left [11:24] * elky <3's the 9hr battery [11:24] wow nice [11:25] i run the screen on the lowest power setting of course [11:25] elky: I'm still waiting my ~15 hours battery to arrive [11:25] Tm_T, oooh [11:25] I am guessing grroovyorange and hynix will be behaving from now [11:25] Tm_T, for which laptop [11:25] with rest of the laptop (:) [11:25] elky: I'm wanting AlwaysInnovating Touchbook, so I can modify it to my needs [11:25] and what laptop is that? [11:26] or does it not exist yet? [11:26] well coming in few months [11:26] ooh [11:26] errr.. i meant 9 cell not 9 hour [11:26] i've been cleaning. slightly fumigated [11:27] heh [11:27] but still, 6hrs is pretty good battery [11:27] * Tm_T really would like to get this one soon, so I can get my hardware tools out from boxes and make some smoke [11:28] ikonia, around? [11:29] just [11:29] more food -> [11:29] I'd just logged in to check my email [11:29] elky: what's up [11:30] * elky wants to know what the good google calendar app he mentioned is [11:30] ?? [11:31] I'm trying to find a way to sync my E71 against a calander server that's not google calander [11:31] ikonia, what's the google calendar app called? [11:31] which one ? I don't use google calander [11:32] do you mean the one for syncing google calander with your E71 ? [11:32] you mentioned one got released last week or something [11:32] yeah [11:32] http://blog.lanthaler.org/2009/02/nokia-e71-contacts-and-calendar-sync.html [11:32] yup, syncml can now do it nativly [11:33] must dash, back later [12:02] it doesnt work for me :( [12:10] i've been syncing via scheduleworld.com, works perfectly [12:12] my-funambol.com should work too, and mobilcal.com [12:12] that means giving my gmail details to someone else [12:12] mobical.net even [12:13] elky: oh google. i don't use it, i just sync my phone and evolution [12:14] google seems to have dropped the ball on it. apparently it doesn't work for anyone anymore [12:18] laptop has 4hrs 35 mins left now [12:18] it was 5hrs 35 mins about an hour ago. this is awesome [12:19] accurate power-manager readings? stop the press! [12:20] i know! [12:21] although, in it's credit, i've only had it for 2 days, and the machine itself was probably built around a week ago. [12:23] metbsd (banned in #ubuntu for trolling) was doing same in #k though quiet for now [12:56] if bots are slow, its my fault. Im moving quassel off that server for better performance [13:05] jussi01: :O [13:32] !bothelp is For ubottu usage instructions see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | For help with ubottu plugins for supybot, please ask in #ubuntu-bots [13:32] I'll remember that, stdin [13:32] !no bothelp is For ubottu usage instructions see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | For help with ubottu plugins for supybot, please ask in #ubuntu-bots [13:32] I'll remember that stdin [13:36] !supybot-#ubuntu-bots | for those of us fed-up with saying it [13:36] for those of us fed-up with saying it: ubottu is a supybot with custom plugins, for help with other supybot plugins ask in #supybot [15:26] !gender [15:26] yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :) [15:26] tssss [15:27] well, at least that explains why she's such a bore. [15:32] erm [15:32] !uuid [15:32] To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID) [15:33] what difference does it make if it's run as root vs non-root? [15:35] Myrtti: uhm, not sure right now, but i vaguely seem to remember there was a reason [15:36] LjL: you be nice to her now... [15:36] * jussi01 eyes LjL [15:36] and the reason is that MYRTTI IS MAD [15:37] Myrtti: ok it doesn't need root, *now*. but it used to. [15:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e2fsprogs/+bug/220275 [15:37] Ubuntu bug 220275 in e2fsprogs "blkid shouldn't need root privileges" [Undecided,Fix released] [15:37] i'd say leave it like that until those are all EOL [17:14] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [17:20] * LjL is not sure whether that might have been real [20:45] ubottu: tell snuxoll about exploit [20:51] What's with #ubuntu annoying people with "please register to speak" stuff? [20:52] log? [20:52] 13:48 [20:47] [506] #ubuntu Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel [20:52] That's sebsebseb telling me the message in a query, obviously [20:53] is there a reason snux is +v? [20:53] jussi01: LjL's madness [20:53] jussi01: next question [20:53] jussi01: mock the voiced [20:53] But, he can still talk, even without identifying [20:53] Tm_T: as can you [20:53] erm, except you're identified [20:53] oh meh [20:54] what, I can be unidentified too? [20:54] !modes | Tm_T [20:54] Tm_T: There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml [20:54] jussi01: I know [20:54] particurly +R iirc [20:54] jussi01: didn't notice the modes when joining, thought there were spamming bot or so [20:56] +R (quiet unidentified) This mode prevents users who are not identified with NickServ from speaking in the channel. Users will receive a server notice explaining this if they try to speak. [20:56] sebsebseb isn't server? [20:57] No? [20:57] Tm_T: oh? I thought he came to you with a complaint [20:57] just a guy [20:57] he was telling me about it. [20:58] aaa [20:59] roger roger [20:59] now I'm gone, sleep -> [21:01] erhem [21:01] [23:00] < Kingsy101> man o man, can someone help, i cant find anything on google on how to add eclipse PDT to the repos... anyone have any ideas?? [21:01] * Myrtti facepalms [21:05] anyone seen ikonia? [21:06] meh, the whole "please register to speak" thing lasted about 30 seconds [21:06] last saw him in here 10 hours ago "ikonia+: must dash, back later" [21:06] i guess sebsebseb didn't notice that the same thing just stopped some couple hundreds bots from joining the day before yesterday? [21:08] although i'm not sure why people are still joining -unregged [21:08] wait a moment [21:08] !ops | does any of you CURRENTL see #ubuntu as +rR on the server you're on? [21:08] does any of you CURRENTL see #ubuntu as +rR on the server you're on?: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [21:08] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (does any of you CURRENTL see #ubuntu as +rR on the server you're on?) [21:08] not here [21:08] the joining to -unregged isn't normal [21:08] LjL: no [21:09] LjL: no [21:09] LjL: nope [21:09] what's the +J set to? [21:09] I'm on simak [21:09] it should be 2,5 [21:09] (i can't see it from my client) [21:09] 2,5 here [21:10] ... just more channel joins than normal? [21:10] but jaunty isn't *so* near [21:10] it is 2,5 [21:10] * vorian is not an op, but it does not show +r or +R [21:10] /lastlog +J shows it being set to 2,5 by floodbot2 almost 24 hours ago [21:10] it's after they set +rR believing there was an attack [21:10] LjL: I don't [21:10] people kept joining -unregged even after they unset that [21:11] and that happened four hours ago [21:13] LjL: negative [21:14] ok [21:14] verne.freenode.net is desynched [21:14] +rR have remained set on it [21:17] oh christ, i should have known mikem would have spotted it and started complaining [21:17] does he just notice *anything* that goes on with *any* channel modes? [21:21] certainly when i wrote the floodbots i *thought* that having *three* of them sync modes would prevent desync in most circumstances... [21:21] *sigh* [21:28] oh [21:28] someone was complaining about that a few hours ago [21:28] I sent him away... [21:33] ubottu: join #ubuntu-offtopic [21:33] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [22:06] * Myrtti looks at the kids play === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [22:56] Why I am forwarded to here? [22:56] @btlogin [22:57] you mean why aren't you just banned? [22:57] probably because i felt nice that day [22:57] I can't understand your questio [22:57] n [22:58] Shizuo: you've been removed from #ubuntu several times [22:58] how do you explain that? [22:58] Being a nuisance? [22:58] to put it mildly [22:58] but, how do you explain being removed *several times*? [22:58] I am mild [22:58] Several? [22:59] Persecution? [22:59] wrong answer [22:59] Racism? [22:59] wrong answer [22:59] Cookies? [22:59] wrong answer [22:59] Trolling? [22:59] RIGHT ANSWER! [22:59] OH YES [22:59] ONE MILLION DOLLARS [22:59] THX [23:01] so... [23:01] what ought to make me thing such trolling won't happen again in the future? [23:01] That's a tough question [23:05] LjL: Are you a full time ubuntu do-stuff-person? [23:06] hey, i asked a question first [23:06] wait your turn [23:06] =[ [23:06] I don't know what makes you "thing" [23:06] I'll pass ;/ [23:06] yes, it was tough [23:06] but now pretend that i said "think" [23:06] and try answering that one [23:07] Oh [23:07] Well, as with anything on life [23:08] You will never be certain about this [23:08] There will always be a risk [23:08] Tough, hug? [23:08] Hug plz [23:08] no thanks, i've had hugs already today [23:08] i'm of slow digestion [23:08] Oh, ok [23:08] LjL: Are you a full time ubuntu do-stuff-person? [23:09] what does that mean? [23:09] Shizuo: tough question [23:09] full time? ubuntu? do-stuff-person? [23:09] Myrtti: Does he have a job? [23:09] Myrtti: At ubuntu-related operations? [23:09] that's none of your business! [23:09] oh. [23:09] Is he a part-time voluntary? [23:09] Is he a full time voluntary? [23:09] Shizuo: what significance would it have to you? [23:09] Myrtti: Curiosity [23:09] ie. what are you aiming at? [23:10] lets take an example [23:10] Lots of people here at freenet are employees of distribs/projects/etc [23:10] * LjL grabs the popcorn [23:10] I wish I could have popcorn [23:10] Seeker`: Africa? [23:11] Shizuo: what? [23:11] I'm not employed by Canonical or any other distribution, but I do have a job in a company that does its operations around open source [23:11] Seeker`: Why can't you? [23:11] Myrtti: That's interesting [23:11] *still* I waste most of my waking time in IRC doing voluntary work [23:11] in *addition* to my paid work [23:11] Shizuo: various reasons [23:12] so I'm wondering, what significance would anyones job/volunteer status have to you [23:12] since it obviously shouldn't [23:12] Shizuo: i really need to do me a favor [23:12] before i might answer your very tough questions [23:12] will you? [23:12] Myrtti: No need to have two stones in hand, ok? [23:13] Myrtti: It was just curiosity [23:13] LjL: Hi [23:13] oh Shizuo, hello! [23:13] oh my, aren't we distracted today [23:13] wow, its today already? [23:14] Shizuo: i bet you can't count backwards from three to one, using words rather than digits, on three separate lines [23:15] LjL: Oh, you kill me [23:15] Shizuo: prove me wrong [23:15] That was impervious [23:16] Balrog_: how can we help you? [23:16] Shizuo: quick, we've got other guests in! [23:16] I think I clicked in the wrong place. [23:16] LjL: I won't troll, sorry [23:16] LjL: Not by accident, that's for sure :D [23:17] Shizuo: pity [23:17] =[ [23:17] Anyway, I asked about your connection to Ubuntu just out of curiosity, as you're zealous [23:17] It wasn't an attempt do judge you, as mywhatever suggested [23:18] Shizuo: a mixture of boredom, brain damage and addiction to arguing with trolls [23:18] now, the answer to my question? [23:18] What question? [23:18] why ought i to think you won't be trolling in the future [23:19] It depends on the definition of what trolling really is [23:19] It's an overused word these days [23:19] being deliberately annoying is a good starting point [23:19] Some people call others trolls for not adhering to their ideological principles [23:19] That's very common these days [23:20] Shizuo, a troll as we are concerned is someone who doesn't follow [23:20] !etiquette > Shizuo (Shizuo, see the private message from ubottu) this [23:20] of course you're familiar with it? [23:21] LjL: Lots of "respectable" regulars fail to adhere to !Attitudes, !Language, !CoC [23:21] Shizuo: hey, you might be right [23:21] I call a troll someone who believes IRC is a democracy and rules are subject to voting at the Athens forum or in this case any of official Ubuntu channels [23:21] actually [23:21] i think even ops... [23:21] even ops, sometimes, fail to adhere to some sane principles they most likely ought to [23:21] Yes, that's correct [23:21] like not ban people randomly in the middle of a conversation, for instance [23:22] hmm, not the best dismount ever [23:22] *shrug* [23:23] could we add to the channel rules that the rules aren't open to discussion at any given channel at any given time by any given people? I find it a bit tiresome that trolls come to discuss the rules at, say, #ubuntu [23:23] at, say, the day of $RELEASE [23:23] there's place, time and opportunity for that discussion [23:24] Myrtti: they're open to discussion here [23:24] usually, it's not #ubuntu [23:24] LjL: sure [23:24] it's never #ubuntu [23:24] don't we have that in the rules to begin with? [23:24] I really doubt it [23:24] Do we really need meta-rules? [23:24] then you can most certainly blame me for not adding it when we revamped them [23:25] Seeker`: yes, not discussing bans and rules aside from in this channel is pretty basic really [23:25] Seeker`: there should be a disclaimer on them about where to address the possible requests of editing and change [23:25] if you try and make the rules all-encompassing then people will just argue that anything not stated in the rules is allowed [23:26] hm [23:26] that's not trying to make them all-encompassing though [23:26] because it isn't explicitly disallowed [23:26] although [23:26] LjL: it seems to be heading that way [23:26] it's probably worth adding it as rule for -offtopic but not for #ubuntu [23:26] in #ubuntu it's already implicitely a rule [23:26] since anything that's not support is disallowed [23:26] the only rule that should be needed is "Don't be stupid" [23:26] "DON'T BE A DICK" [23:27] or "Don't do anything the ops do not consider to be appropriate behaviour for this channel" [23:27] then if someone does something wrong, it is automatically covered by the rules [23:28] that's almost in there [23:28] the content suitable for this channel is on operator discretion (whatever the word is) and not necessarily limited by or to the rules [23:28] we added something very much like that during the revamping [23:28] but you shouldn't really need anything extra [23:29] common sense should work [23:29] Seeker`: wake up, you're dreaming [23:29] Seeker`: show me a troll with common sense, and I'll show you a flying cow [23:29] I mean common sense on our part [23:29] Seeker`: wake up, you're dreaming [23:29] lol [23:29] common sense [23:29] I think I left mine at the door when Umakant first appeared [23:30] or atleast my sensibilities [23:30] i gave my common sense to this fellow - out of pity [23:30] [00:29:24] --> bosco_ has joined this channel (n=bosco@12.109.75.188). [23:30] [00:29:39] bestbot [23:30] [00:29:39] I don't understand you, bosco_. Try asking me what's the best X, or telling me that X is the best Y [23:30] [00:29:50] best x [23:30] [00:29:54] best X [23:30] [00:30:05] BestBot, best X [23:30] [00:30:06] I don't understand you, bosco_. Try asking me what's the best X, or telling me that X is the best Y [23:30] if someone wants to be irritating they will, no matter what the rules are; by explicitly stating some things are against the rules, you are implicity allowing everything else (which is how most legal systems seem to work) [23:31] whereas on IRC this isn't the case [23:31] ya know what yer probblim ish [23:31] i was having FUN with that troll [23:31] now you're taking it seriously! [23:32] LjL: you may have been having fun with that troll [23:32] but in general, people get too angry in this channel with trolls [23:32] and spend waaaaaaaay too much time going round in circles with them [23:33] I dont think that Shizuo seriously thought they would be unbanned [23:33] i hope not [23:33] he seemed smarter than that [23:34] exactly [23:34] most trolls aren't [23:34] he was just playing around and LjL played with him [23:34] you see Seeker` [23:34] but I know what you refer with spending time going round in circles [23:34] when a troll comes to this channel [23:34] either you ignore them, if you're sane [23:34] and in my opinion, we cannot just tell them to GTFO [23:34] or you play with them, if you're insane [23:34] or you get angry at them, if you're a normal person [23:35] because it's an outlet [23:35] but in here people don't get angry [23:35] they just fume [23:35] because they aren't really allowed to get properly angry [23:36] that's why i attempt to get them to say "three, two, one" and then ban them. [23:36] because ops can't be seen to be getting angry like that [23:36] LjL: fine, you may play with them, treat it as a joke, but not everyone does [23:36] * Myrtti huggles LjL [23:37] Seeker`: discussing this is useless really [23:37] there's only one way not to make that happen [23:37] do like nalioth does, ban them. [23:37] when you think you've had enough of a no-point conversation between an op and someone, ban them. [23:37] (the op, or the someone? that's up to you i guess) [23:37] I would if I could [23:37] (both if you're unsure) [23:38] Seeker`: then just say "quit it or i'll show you a photo of mneptok" [23:38] it works [23:39] right, I think I'm done for today [23:39] nini kids [23:39] nini Myrtti [23:39] have a good flight if i don't catch you before you go [23:40] LjL: :P Not entirely convinced [23:41] Seeker`: i'm just saying that i believe ops will keep arguing with trolls no matter how much you might keep saying it's not good [23:42] Seeker`: and if you want to stop that, say so while it's happening [23:42] though you probably won't be liked if you do [23:42] I have mentioned several times in discussions that I think they have gone past the point of being useful [23:42] and it just gets ignored [23:47] LjL: it doesn't work when the only people that can do anything are the ones that are currently having the argument [23:47] that's the funny part innit [23:48] because by the time it gets in here the person they are discussing it with already has a "history" with the person in question [23:49] I just reckon there is a better way of doing things