[00:41] <LjL> just thought i'd paste a reminder every op should keep in mind
[00:41] <LjL> [01:41:20] <-- Keal has left this server (""Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -Hanlon's Razor").
[00:51] <bazhang> hehe
[00:54] <Seeker`> I prefer nickspoons
[00:55] <Myrtti> LjL: I might do a crosstich home proverb on my wall from that
[00:57] <Myrtti> http://gingeranyhow.com/texts/text18.html
[00:58] <LjL> Seeker`: nickspoon's is just nickspoon's
[00:59] <LjL> Myrtti: the battery looks like it's got a bit of wear
[01:01] <Nafallo> and camels!
[01:03] <Myrtti> http://blog.craftzine.com/archive/2008/07/arkanoid_cross_stitch.html
[01:48] <J-_> Hey :)
[01:48] <LjL> J-_: i don't know just which brands of routers are affected and which of them have firmware upgrades to fix it
[01:48] <LjL> J-_: but you can probably find it somewhere if you start from the links at the bottom of the wiki page about it
[01:49] <LjL> J-_: netgear i think mostly, but not really sure
[01:49] <J-_> LjL: Ah, yeah. My firmware is uptodate.
[01:49] <LjL> J-_: anyway, the router tries to be too smart for its own good, and open ports when it thinks it's getting a DCC SEND request
[01:49] <LjL> J-_: except that if you're given a malformed request (even just in the form of a plain privmsg with dcc send in it), it crashes
[01:50] <J-_> LjL: Ah okay.
[01:50] <LjL> J-_: since the router only cares about 6667, as that's where IRC is supposed to live, being on 8001 fixes it
[01:50] <J-_> Nice
[01:50] <LjL> J-_: you'll see just what sort of strings trigger it when you ask the bots for your test
[01:50] <LjL> never repeat them.
[01:51] <J-_> LjL: Cool.
[01:51] <J-_> Thanks
[01:51] <LjL> np
[02:14] <Flannel> had you just pastebinned the stupid thing 20 minutes ago like I asked, we would've solved this issue then.
[02:14]  * Flannel grumbles.
[06:50] <Flannel> someone ought to ban that host post-part
[06:52] <Flannel> anyone?
[07:15] <elky> Flannel, which what where?
[07:27] <Flannel> elky: thefeds in -ot
[07:36] <elky> if he comes back again... you'll know by the belrs3.optusnet hostmask. there's only 2 others on freenode from the same area
[08:09] <elky> Flannel, libfprint sees and enrolls fine
[08:10] <elky> their gui sucks major eggs though
[08:47]  * jussi01 waves sleepily
[09:33] <elky> Flannel, although, i havent figured how to use it still. i have fingers enrolled now, but it's not tied in with sudo etc yet...
[09:33] <Flannel> Really?
[09:33] <Flannel> I enrolled mine, and everything magically worked.
[09:33] <Flannel> Only thing I couldn't do without first typing my username was unlock the screen
[09:34] <elky> nope, not even sudo on cli works
[09:34] <elky> as i said, i used fprint instead of tf
[09:42] <Myrtti> mmmmm egg
[09:43] <Myrtti> I'm going to try to stay away from the computer today and clean
[09:43] <Tm_T> Myrtti: you can try... (;)
[09:44] <Myrtti> i got the work script to a fairly good condition so I'll use today to clean
[09:45] <Myrtti> and as Irc is fairly painful on this 770, -->
[11:11] <Tm_T> !jaunty
[11:12] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, jaunty is <reply> Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.
[11:13] <Tm_T> bah
[11:13] <bazhang> heh
[11:14] <Tm_T> @login
[11:14] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, jaunty is <reply> Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.
[11:15] <Tm_T> !jaunty
[11:15] <Tm_T> nice...
[11:15] <Tm_T> I give up, food ->
[11:17] <bazhang> !-web
[11:17] <bazhang> !forget web
[11:18] <bazhang> !no jaunty is <reply> Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.
[11:18] <bazhang> !jaunty
[11:18] <bazhang> odd
[11:18] <Tm_T> bazhang: welcome to my reality (;)
[11:19]  * bazhang huggles Tm_T 
[11:23] <bazhang> Tm_T, no more problems with drostie, thanks
[11:24] <elky> i unplugged the dell about half an hour ago. it's now saying 5hrs 35mins of charge left
[11:24]  * elky <3's the 9hr battery
[11:24] <bazhang> wow nice
[11:25] <elky> i run the screen on the lowest power setting of course
[11:25] <Tm_T> elky: I'm still waiting my ~15 hours battery to arrive
[11:25] <elky> Tm_T, oooh
[11:25] <bazhang> I am guessing grroovyorange and hynix will be behaving from now
[11:25] <elky> Tm_T, for which laptop
[11:25] <Tm_T> with rest of the laptop (:)
[11:25] <Tm_T> elky: I'm wanting AlwaysInnovating Touchbook, so I can modify it to my needs
[11:25] <elky> and what laptop is that?
[11:26] <elky> or does it not exist yet?
[11:26] <Tm_T> well coming in few months
[11:26] <elky> ooh
[11:26] <elky> errr.. i meant 9 cell not 9 hour
[11:26] <elky> i've been cleaning. slightly fumigated
[11:27] <Tm_T> heh
[11:27] <elky> but still, 6hrs is pretty good battery
[11:27]  * Tm_T really would like to get this one soon, so I can get my hardware tools out from boxes and make some smoke
[11:28] <elky> ikonia, around?
[11:29] <ikonia> just
[11:29] <Tm_T> more food ->
[11:29] <ikonia> I'd just logged in to check my email
[11:29] <ikonia> elky: what's up
[11:30]  * elky wants to know what the good google calendar app he mentioned is
[11:30] <ikonia> ??
[11:31] <ikonia> I'm trying to find a way to sync my E71 against a calander server that's not google calander
[11:31] <elky> ikonia, what's the google calendar app called?
[11:31] <ikonia> which one ? I don't use google calander
[11:32] <ikonia> do you mean the one for syncing google calander with your E71 ?
[11:32] <elky> you mentioned one got released last week or something
[11:32] <elky> yeah
[11:32] <ikonia> http://blog.lanthaler.org/2009/02/nokia-e71-contacts-and-calendar-sync.html
[11:32] <ikonia> yup, syncml can now do it nativly
[11:33] <ikonia> must dash, back later
[12:02] <elky> it doesnt work for me :(
[12:10] <topyli> i've been syncing via scheduleworld.com, works perfectly
[12:12] <topyli> my-funambol.com should work too, and mobilcal.com
[12:12] <elky> that means giving my gmail details to someone else
[12:12] <topyli> mobical.net even
[12:13] <topyli> elky: oh google. i don't use it, i just sync my phone and evolution
[12:14] <elky> google seems to have dropped the ball on it. apparently it doesn't work for anyone anymore
[12:18] <elky> laptop has 4hrs 35 mins left now
[12:18] <elky> it was 5hrs 35 mins about an hour ago. this is awesome
[12:19] <topyli> accurate power-manager readings? stop the press!
[12:20] <elky> i know!
[12:21] <elky> although, in it's credit, i've only had it for 2 days, and the machine itself was probably built around a week ago.
[12:23] <bazhang> metbsd (banned in #ubuntu for trolling) was doing same in #k though quiet for now
[12:56] <jussi01> if bots are slow, its my fault. Im moving quassel off that server for better performance
[13:05] <Seeker`> jussi01: :O
[13:32] <stdin> !bothelp is <reply> For ubottu usage instructions see  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | For help with ubottu plugins for supybot, please ask in #ubuntu-bots
[13:32] <stdin> !no bothelp is <reply> For ubottu usage instructions see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | For help with ubottu plugins for supybot, please ask in #ubuntu-bots
[13:36] <stdin> !supybot-#ubuntu-bots | for those of us fed-up with saying it
[15:26] <Myrtti> !gender
[15:26] <LjL> tssss
[15:27] <LjL> well, at least that explains why she's such a bore.
[15:32] <Myrtti> erm
[15:32] <Myrtti> !uuid
[15:33] <Myrtti> what difference does it make if it's run as root vs non-root?
[15:35] <LjL> Myrtti: uhm, not sure right now, but i vaguely seem to remember there was a reason
[15:36] <jussi01> LjL: you be nice to her now...
[15:36]  * jussi01 eyes LjL
[15:36] <LjL> and the reason is that MYRTTI IS MAD
[15:37] <LjL> Myrtti: ok it doesn't need root, *now*. but it used to.
[15:37] <LjL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e2fsprogs/+bug/220275
[15:37] <LjL> i'd say leave it like that until those are all EOL
[17:20]  * LjL is not sure whether that might have been real
[20:45] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell snuxoll about exploit
[20:51] <Flannel> What's with #ubuntu annoying people with "please register to speak" stuff?
[20:52] <Tm_T> log?
[20:52] <Flannel> 13:48 <sebsebseb> [20:47] [506] #ubuntu Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel
[20:52] <Flannel> That's sebsebseb telling me the message in a query, obviously
[20:53] <jussi01> is there a reason snux is +v?
[20:53] <Myrtti> jussi01: LjL's madness
[20:53] <Myrtti> jussi01: next question
[20:53] <Flannel> jussi01: mock the voiced
[20:53] <Flannel> But, he can still talk, even without identifying
[20:53] <Flannel> Tm_T: as can you
[20:53] <Flannel> erm, except you're identified
[20:53] <jussi01> oh meh
[20:54] <Tm_T> what, I can be unidentified too?
[20:54] <jussi01> !modes | Tm_T
[20:54] <Tm_T> jussi01: I know
[20:54] <jussi01> particurly +R iirc
[20:54] <Tm_T> jussi01: didn't notice the modes when joining, thought there were spamming bot or so
[20:56] <jussi01> +R (quiet unidentified)  	 This mode prevents users who are not identified with NickServ from speaking in the channel. Users will receive a server notice explaining this if they try to speak. 
[20:56] <Tm_T> sebsebseb isn't server?
[20:57] <Flannel> No?
[20:57] <jussi01> Tm_T: oh? I thought he came to you with a complaint
[20:57] <Flannel> just a guy
[20:57] <Flannel> he was telling me about it.
[20:58] <Tm_T> aaa
[20:59] <Tm_T> roger roger
[20:59] <Tm_T> now I'm gone, sleep ->
[21:01] <Myrtti> erhem
[21:01] <Myrtti> [23:00] < Kingsy101> man o man, can someone help, i cant find anything on  google on how to add eclipse PDT to the repos... anyone  have any ideas??
[21:01]  * Myrtti facepalms
[21:05] <jussi01> anyone seen ikonia?
[21:06] <LjL> meh, the whole "please register to speak" thing lasted about 30 seconds
[21:06] <Seeker`> last saw him in here 10 hours ago "ikonia+: must dash, back later"
[21:06] <LjL> i guess sebsebseb didn't notice that the same thing just stopped some couple hundreds bots from joining the day before yesterday?
[21:08] <LjL> although i'm not sure why people are still joining -unregged
[21:08] <LjL> wait a moment
[21:08] <LjL> !ops | does any of you CURRENTL see #ubuntu as +rR on the server you're on?
[21:08] <jussi01> not here
[21:08] <LjL> the joining to -unregged isn't normal
[21:08] <Seeker`> LjL: no
[21:09] <Myrtti> LjL: no
[21:09] <nalioth> LjL: nope
[21:09] <LjL> what's the +J set to?
[21:09] <Myrtti> I'm on simak
[21:09] <LjL> it should be 2,5
[21:09] <LjL> (i can't see it from my client)
[21:09] <jussi01> 2,5 here
[21:10] <LjL> ... just more channel joins than normal?
[21:10] <LjL> but jaunty isn't *so* near
[21:10] <Myrtti> it is 2,5
[21:10]  * vorian is not an op, but it does not show +r or +R
[21:10] <Seeker`> /lastlog +J shows it being set to 2,5 by floodbot2 almost 24 hours ago
[21:10] <LjL> it's after they set +rR believing there was an attack
[21:10] <Flannel> LjL: I don't
[21:10] <LjL> people kept joining -unregged even after they unset that
[21:11] <LjL> and that happened four hours ago
[21:13] <mneptok> LjL: negative
[21:14] <LjL> ok
[21:14] <LjL> verne.freenode.net is desynched
[21:14] <LjL> +rR have remained set on it
[21:17] <LjL> oh christ, i should have known mikem would have spotted it and started complaining
[21:17] <LjL> does he just notice *anything* that goes on with *any* channel modes?
[21:21] <LjL> certainly when i wrote the floodbots i *thought* that having *three* of them sync modes would prevent desync in most circumstances...
[21:21] <LjL> *sigh*
[21:28] <jrib> oh
[21:28] <jrib> someone was complaining about that a few hours ago
[21:28] <jrib> I sent him away...
[21:33] <jussi01> ubottu: join #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:06]  * Myrtti looks at the kids play
[22:56] <Shizuo> Why I am forwarded to here?
[22:56] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[22:57] <LjL> you mean why aren't you just banned?
[22:57] <LjL> probably because i felt nice that day
[22:57] <Shizuo> I can't understand your questio
[22:57] <Shizuo> n
[22:58] <LjL> Shizuo: you've been removed from #ubuntu several times
[22:58] <LjL> how do you explain that?
[22:58] <Shizuo> Being a nuisance?
[22:58] <LjL> to put it mildly
[22:58] <LjL> but, how do you explain being removed *several times*?
[22:58] <Shizuo> I am mild
[22:58] <Shizuo> Several?
[22:59] <Shizuo> Persecution?
[22:59] <LjL> wrong answer
[22:59] <Shizuo> Racism?
[22:59] <LjL> wrong answer
[22:59] <Shizuo> Cookies?
[22:59] <LjL> wrong answer
[22:59] <Shizuo> Trolling?
[22:59] <LjL> RIGHT ANSWER!
[22:59] <Shizuo> OH YES
[22:59] <Shizuo> ONE MILLION DOLLARS
[22:59] <Shizuo> THX
[23:01] <LjL> so...
[23:01] <LjL> what ought to make me thing such trolling won't happen again in the future?
[23:01] <Shizuo> That's a tough question
[23:05] <Shizuo> LjL: Are you a full time ubuntu do-stuff-person?
[23:06] <LjL> hey, i asked a question first
[23:06] <LjL> wait your turn
[23:06] <Shizuo> =[
[23:06] <Shizuo> I don't know what makes you "thing"
[23:06] <Shizuo> I'll pass ;/
[23:06] <LjL> yes, it was tough
[23:06] <LjL> but now pretend that i said "think"
[23:06] <LjL> and try answering that one
[23:07] <Shizuo> Oh
[23:07] <Shizuo> Well, as with anything on life
[23:08] <Shizuo> You will never be certain about this
[23:08] <Shizuo> There will always be a risk
[23:08] <Shizuo> Tough, hug?
[23:08] <Shizuo> Hug plz
[23:08] <LjL> no thanks, i've had hugs already today
[23:08] <LjL> i'm of slow digestion
[23:08] <Shizuo> Oh, ok
[23:08] <Shizuo> LjL: Are you a full time ubuntu do-stuff-person?
[23:09] <Myrtti> what does that mean?
[23:09] <LjL> Shizuo: tough question
[23:09] <Myrtti> full time? ubuntu? do-stuff-person?
[23:09] <Shizuo> Myrtti: Does he have a job?
[23:09] <Shizuo> Myrtti: At ubuntu-related operations?
[23:09] <LjL> that's none of your business!
[23:09] <LjL> oh.
[23:09] <Shizuo> Is he a part-time voluntary?
[23:09] <Shizuo> Is he a full time voluntary?
[23:09] <Myrtti> Shizuo: what significance would it have to you?
[23:09] <Shizuo> Myrtti: Curiosity
[23:09] <Myrtti> ie. what are you aiming at?
[23:10] <Myrtti> lets take an example
[23:10] <Shizuo> Lots of people here at freenet are employees of distribs/projects/etc
[23:10]  * LjL grabs the popcorn
[23:10] <Seeker`> I wish I could have popcorn
[23:10] <Shizuo> Seeker`: Africa?
[23:11] <Seeker`> Shizuo: what?
[23:11] <Myrtti> I'm not employed by Canonical or any other distribution, but I do have a job in a company that does its operations around open source
[23:11] <Shizuo> Seeker`: Why can't you?
[23:11] <Shizuo> Myrtti: That's interesting
[23:11] <Myrtti> *still* I waste most of my waking time in IRC doing voluntary work
[23:11] <Myrtti> in *addition* to my paid work
[23:11] <Seeker`> Shizuo: various reasons
[23:12] <Myrtti> so I'm wondering, what significance would anyones job/volunteer status have to you
[23:12] <Myrtti> since it obviously shouldn't
[23:12] <LjL> Shizuo: i really need to do me a favor
[23:12] <LjL> before i might answer your very tough questions
[23:12] <LjL> will you?
[23:12] <Shizuo> Myrtti: No need to have two stones in hand, ok?
[23:13] <Shizuo> Myrtti: It was just curiosity
[23:13] <Shizuo> LjL: Hi
[23:13] <LjL> oh Shizuo, hello!
[23:13] <Myrtti> oh my, aren't we distracted today
[23:13] <Seeker`> wow, its today already?
[23:14] <LjL> Shizuo: i bet you can't count backwards from three to one, using words rather than digits, on three separate lines
[23:15] <Shizuo> LjL: Oh, you kill me
[23:15] <LjL> Shizuo: prove me wrong
[23:15] <Shizuo> That was impervious
[23:16] <Seeker`> Balrog_: how can we help you?
[23:16] <LjL> Shizuo: quick, we've got other guests in!
[23:16] <Balrog_> I think I clicked in the wrong place.
[23:16] <Shizuo> LjL: I won't troll, sorry
[23:16] <Shizuo> LjL: Not by accident, that's for sure :D
[23:17] <LjL> Shizuo: pity
[23:17] <Shizuo> =[
[23:17] <Shizuo> Anyway, I asked about your connection to Ubuntu just out of curiosity, as you're zealous
[23:17] <Shizuo> It wasn't an attempt do judge you, as mywhatever suggested
[23:18] <LjL> Shizuo: a mixture of boredom, brain damage and addiction to arguing with trolls
[23:18] <LjL> now, the answer to my question?
[23:18] <Shizuo> What question?
[23:18] <LjL> why ought i to think you won't be trolling in the future
[23:19] <Shizuo> It depends on the definition of what trolling really is
[23:19] <Shizuo> It's an overused word these days
[23:19] <Seeker`> being deliberately annoying is a good starting point
[23:19] <Shizuo> Some people call others trolls for not adhering to their ideological principles
[23:19] <Shizuo> That's very common these days
[23:20] <LjL> Shizuo, a troll as we are concerned is someone who doesn't follow
[23:20] <LjL> !etiquette > Shizuo    (Shizuo, see the private message from ubottu) this
[23:20] <LjL> of course you're familiar with it?
[23:21] <Shizuo> LjL: Lots of "respectable" regulars fail to adhere to !Attitudes, !Language, !CoC
[23:21] <LjL> Shizuo: hey, you might be right
[23:21] <Myrtti> I call a troll someone who believes IRC is a democracy and rules are subject to voting at the Athens forum or in this case any of official Ubuntu channels
[23:21] <LjL> actually
[23:21] <LjL> i think even ops...
[23:21] <LjL> even ops, sometimes, fail to adhere to some sane principles they most likely ought to
[23:21] <Shizuo> Yes, that's correct
[23:21] <LjL> like not ban people randomly in the middle of a conversation, for instance
[23:22] <Seeker`> hmm, not the best dismount ever
[23:22] <LjL> *shrug*
[23:23] <Myrtti> could we add to the channel rules that the rules aren't open to discussion at any given channel at any given time by any given people? I find it a bit tiresome that trolls come to discuss the rules at, say, #ubuntu
[23:23] <Myrtti> at, say, the day of $RELEASE
[23:23] <Myrtti> there's place, time and opportunity for that discussion
[23:24] <LjL> Myrtti: they're open to discussion here
[23:24] <Myrtti> usually, it's not #ubuntu
[23:24] <Myrtti> LjL: sure
[23:24] <LjL> it's never #ubuntu
[23:24] <LjL> don't we have that in the rules to begin with?
[23:24] <Myrtti> I really doubt it
[23:24] <Seeker`> Do we really need meta-rules?
[23:24] <LjL> then you can most certainly blame me for not adding it when we revamped them
[23:25] <LjL> Seeker`: yes, not discussing bans and rules aside from in this channel is pretty basic really
[23:25] <Myrtti> Seeker`: there should be a disclaimer on them about where to address the possible requests of editing and change
[23:25] <Seeker`> if you try and make the rules all-encompassing then people will just argue that  anything not stated in the rules is allowed
[23:26] <Myrtti> hm
[23:26] <LjL> that's not trying to make them all-encompassing though
[23:26] <Seeker`> because it isn't explicitly disallowed
[23:26] <LjL> although
[23:26] <Seeker`> LjL: it seems to be heading that way
[23:26] <LjL> it's probably worth adding it as rule for -offtopic but not for #ubuntu
[23:26] <LjL> in #ubuntu it's already implicitely a rule
[23:26] <LjL> since anything that's not support is disallowed
[23:26] <Seeker`> the only rule that should be needed is "Don't be stupid"
[23:26] <Myrtti> "DON'T BE A DICK"
[23:27] <Seeker`> or "Don't do anything the ops do not consider to be appropriate behaviour for this channel"
[23:27] <Seeker`> then if someone does something wrong, it is automatically covered by the rules
[23:28] <LjL> that's almost in there
[23:28] <Myrtti> the content suitable for this channel is on operator discretion (whatever the word is) and not necessarily limited by or to the rules
[23:28] <LjL> we added something very much like that during the revamping
[23:28] <Seeker`> but you shouldn't really need anything extra
[23:29] <Seeker`> common sense should work
[23:29] <LjL> Seeker`: wake up, you're dreaming
[23:29] <Myrtti> Seeker`: show me a troll with common sense, and I'll show you a flying cow
[23:29] <Seeker`> I mean common sense on our part
[23:29] <LjL> Seeker`: wake up, you're dreaming
[23:29] <Myrtti> lol
[23:29] <Myrtti> common sense
[23:29] <Myrtti> I think I left mine at the door when Umakant first appeared
[23:30] <Myrtti> or atleast my sensibilities
[23:30] <LjL> i gave my common sense to this fellow - out of pity
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[23:30] <LjL> [00:29:39] <BestBot> I don't understand you, bosco_. Try asking me what's the best X, or telling me that X is the best Y
[23:30] <LjL> [00:29:50] <bosco_> best x
[23:30] <LjL> [00:29:54] <bosco_> best X
[23:30] <LjL> [00:30:05] <bosco_> BestBot, best X
[23:30] <LjL> [00:30:06] <BestBot> I don't understand you, bosco_. Try asking me what's the best X, or telling me that X is the best Y
[23:30] <Seeker`> if someone wants to be irritating they will, no matter what the rules are; by explicitly stating some things are against the rules, you are implicity allowing everything else (which is how most legal systems seem to work)
[23:31] <Seeker`> whereas on IRC this isn't the case
[23:31] <LjL> ya know what yer probblim ish
[23:31] <LjL> i was having FUN with that troll
[23:31] <LjL> now you're taking it seriously!
[23:32] <Seeker`> LjL: you may have been having fun with that troll
[23:32] <Seeker`> but in general, people get too angry in this channel with trolls
[23:32] <Seeker`> and spend waaaaaaaay too much time going round in circles with them
[23:33] <Seeker`> I dont think that Shizuo seriously thought they would be unbanned
[23:33] <LjL> i hope not
[23:33] <LjL> he seemed smarter than that
[23:34] <Seeker`> exactly
[23:34] <Seeker`> most trolls aren't
[23:34] <Myrtti> he was just playing around and LjL played with him
[23:34] <LjL> you see Seeker`
[23:34] <Myrtti> but I know what you refer with spending time going round in circles
[23:34] <LjL> when a troll comes to this channel
[23:34] <LjL> either you ignore them, if you're sane
[23:34] <Myrtti> and in my opinion, we cannot just tell them to GTFO
[23:34] <LjL> or you play with them, if you're insane
[23:34] <LjL> or you get angry at them, if you're a normal person
[23:35] <LjL> because it's an outlet
[23:35] <Seeker`> but in here people don't get angry
[23:35] <Seeker`> they just fume
[23:35] <Seeker`> because they aren't really allowed to get properly angry
[23:36] <LjL> that's why i attempt to get them to say "three, two, one" and then ban them.
[23:36] <Seeker`> because ops can't be seen to be getting angry like that
[23:36] <Seeker`> LjL: fine, you may play with them, treat it as a joke, but not everyone does
[23:36]  * Myrtti huggles LjL 
[23:37] <LjL> Seeker`: discussing this is useless really
[23:37] <LjL> there's only one way not to make that happen
[23:37] <LjL> do like nalioth does, ban them.
[23:37] <LjL> when you think you've had enough of a no-point conversation between an op and someone, ban them.
[23:37] <LjL> (the op, or the someone? that's up to you i guess)
[23:37] <Seeker`> I would if I could
[23:37] <LjL> (both if you're unsure)
[23:38] <LjL> Seeker`: then just say "quit it or i'll show you a photo of mneptok"
[23:38] <LjL> it works
[23:39] <Myrtti> right, I think I'm done for today
[23:39] <Myrtti> nini kids
[23:39] <Seeker`> nini Myrtti 
[23:39] <Seeker`> have a good flight if i don't catch you before you go
[23:40] <Seeker`> LjL: :P Not entirely convinced
[23:41] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm just saying that i believe ops will keep arguing with trolls no matter how much you might keep saying it's not good
[23:42] <LjL> Seeker`: and if you want to stop that, say so while it's happening
[23:42] <LjL> though you probably won't be liked if you do
[23:42] <Seeker`> I have mentioned several times in discussions that I think they have gone past the point of being useful
[23:42] <Seeker`> and it just gets ignored
[23:47] <Seeker`> LjL: it doesn't work when the only people that can do anything are the ones that are currently having the argument
[23:47] <LjL> that's the funny part innit
[23:48] <Seeker`> because by the time it gets in here the person they are discussing it with already has a "history" with the person in question
[23:49] <Seeker`> I just reckon there is a better way of doing things