[00:22] <Ish> hey hey hey
[00:34] <zoredache> !hi
[00:35] <Ish> We're a friendly bunch! Happy to help with any of your questions!
[00:44] <forces> :P
[00:44] <forces> xubuntu rocks!
[00:46] <Ish> it does, i'm using it right now, and i can't stop smiling
[00:48] <forces> xubuntu makes me feel so happy, free and fast
[00:49] <Ish> I Can ride a bike again!
[00:52] <forces> kde4 rlz!!(?)
[02:04] <Ish> hypothetically, if i log into a router that was set to the default settings, what's the best thing i could do? other than upgrade their firmware for them
[02:04] <Ish> and believe me, the firmware will be upgraded for them before i'm done, i hope to get that bored with this
[02:10] <zoredache> it depends on what you mean by 'router', a consumer broadband device, or something that you might find in your isp...    I strongly suggest you don't do anything to a computer that you don't own
[02:10] <zoredache> or any other piece of network equipment
[02:11] <Ish> ;)
[02:11] <zoredache> it is almost certainly illegal, impolite, and stupid
[02:12] <Ish> but i love you
[02:12] <Ish> are you a cop? you have to tell me if you are
[02:13] <zoredache> are you sure about that?  Are you completely sure, that in every possible jurisdition that a cop must identify themselves?
[02:14] <zoredache> it doesn't really matter. this is off-topic...  ask somewhere else
[02:16] <Ish> where's the off topic xubuntu?
[02:16] <Ish> and i don't think a cop EVER has to say he's a cop, that's just something that the internet and television lies about
[02:18] <cody-somerville> Ish, #xubuntu-offtopic
[02:53] <Ish> any idea why the max speed for my dvd-burner has a max speed for the dvd-rw of 2x, but only burns at .6x?
[03:23] <Gadu> ﻿﻿hey, i'm trying to customize my xubuntu livecd for on-the-go (and showing off) using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[03:23] <Gadu> ﻿however, i can't seem to find the config files for default desktop background and customizing panel
[03:23] <Gadu> ﻿could someone point me to the directory these files would be located?
[03:39] <land> guys, can you help me w/ MPlayer config.?
[05:17] <ReRamBeCap> How i can uninstall xubuntu?!!
[05:28] <rocko> you can't
[05:28] <rocko> xubuntu is permanent
[05:49] <cody-somerville> rocko, that isn't true
[05:54] <rocko> yes it is
[05:54] <rocko> xubuntu can never be removed
[06:00] <forces> yes, can be
[06:00] <forces> you can delete the partition
[06:00] <forces> there are many ways to remove linux
[06:12] <zoredache_> df
[11:00] <axion> is there any way to have per-folder icon sizes like nautilus?
[11:00] <axion> i want my images to show as big thumbnails....everything else compact list
[11:04] <TheSheep> axionix: no
[11:05] <axionix> oh well. nautilus until it can :)
[11:05] <axionix> thanks
[11:09] <TheSheep> I don't think it will ever do it
[11:09] <TheSheep> use an image browser
[11:10] <axionix> ok. i'm just writing a python script to do what i want
[11:10] <axionix> tired of looking :)
[11:20] <jarnos> I experimented by Xfce 4.6's power manager but switched back to gnome-power-manager. The problem is, the suspend button does not work with it anymore even if it did before my experiments. In preferences gnome-power-manager is configured to suspend when suspend button is pressed.
[11:22] <TheSheep> don't worry, it will suspend right away on next wakeup, having rememebered your keypresses
[11:22] <TheSheep> I had it, I hade to wake it up ten times in a row
[11:29] <jarnos> TheSheep: It does not behave like that here.
[11:30] <jarnos> TheSheep: I would be worried, if it did.
[12:55] <land> is there any way i can keep a background image in a folder?
[12:56] <SiDi> huh ?
[12:56] <land> *for a folder?
[12:57] <SiDi> You want to put a background image in a folder, in Thunar ?
[12:58] <land> yeah a backgroung image
[12:58] <land> what is thunar?
[12:59] <SiDi> It's Xfce's file manager's name :P
[13:00] <SiDi> I don't think that's possible, btw
[13:00] <land> i see
[15:32] <mib_qx6p3rdb> Hi all! I'm running xubuntu 8.04, I'd like to avoid stretching when i'm running a low-resolution application on fullscreen (I'd prefer to have black border). Is that possible? Thanks in advance for any help.
[15:35] <cody-somerville> mib_qx6p3rdb, that has to happen at the application level
[15:38] <Maximilian1st> Hi, I use xubuntu 8.10 with Xfce 4.6 and after changing the mouse speed in the xfce mouse settings, the mouse went faster and all was ok. But now, after a reboot, my alps mouse is gone and I only have left some mackintosh emulation thing, before there were three devices listed. I only have one touchpad on the notebook. I plugged a USB mouse and it works perfectly but I need my touchpad to work again. Any advice?
[15:39] <mib_qx6p3rdb> cody-somerville: thank you :)
[15:41] <cody-somerville> Maximilian1st, Ouch.
[15:42] <Maximilian1st> I know that hurts, sorry :-p
[15:42] <Maximilian1st> I don't know where to look at.
[15:42] <Maximilian1st> I have no clue, but in some way it is more some xorg stuff I should look in probably.
[15:43] <Maximilian1st> By the way, hi cody-somerville
[15:43] <cody-somerville> Hi :)
[15:44] <JPohlmann> Maximilian1st: Welcome to the ugly world of evdev :-/
[15:44] <Maximilian1st> I noticed a bug from some user about an alps touchpad and it was filed yesterday or so.
[15:44] <JPohlmann> I suppose that's what's being used here.
[15:44] <Maximilian1st> Hey Jannis :-)
[15:44] <Laserbeak43> hello
[15:44] <Maximilian1st> evdev is used, I checked the xorg log.
[15:44] <Maximilian1st> but it does not state the alps touchpad at all.
[15:45] <Laserbeak43> how do i log in as root after i select switch users?
[15:45] <Maximilian1st> Are there some backups of these logs somewhere?
[15:45] <Laserbeak43> typing root as username does nothing
[15:45] <Maximilian1st> It used to work before I change the speed of the mouse.
[15:46] <Maximilian1st> There is an old xorg log file
[15:46] <Maximilian1st> (II) config/hal: Adding input device AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint
[15:47] <Maximilian1st> And the mouse is there. Why has it gone now? Is there any hazard involved and if I reboot it is magically there again?
[15:47] <cemunal> does latest xubuntu kernel support 0c45:613c Microdia driver? Can i use 0c45:613c Microdia webcam with xubuntu?
[15:48] <mib_qx6p3rdb> I've found a solution: nvidia-settings let you set the scaling mode of the display :]
[15:49] <Maximilian1st> cemunal, http://rubenruiz.org/2008/06/23/tx1320-microdia-webcam-on-ubuntu-804-part-1/ could that help?
[15:51] <Maximilian1st> I give the reboot a try.
[15:52] <Laserbeak43> hi cna someone please tell me how to login as root so i can add new users and edit groups?
[15:52] <Laserbeak43> can*
[15:53] <mib_qx6p3rdb> bye all!
[16:00] <TheSheep> Laserbeak43: applications->system->users and groups
[16:00] <TheSheep> also see this
[16:00] <TheSheep> !sudo | Laserbeak43
[16:00] <Maximilian1st> cody-somerville, the reboot did the magic trick. Yet it is a bit hazardous why it suddenly works again. As I mentionned in #xfce, it's a bit like in windows, try to reboot maybe it will work again.
[16:01] <Laserbeak43> TheSheep: sudo users-admin does not help
[16:01] <Laserbeak43> which is the command for users and groups
[16:23] <Laserbeak43> is there a graphical login screen that allows you to click the user that you want to log in as?
[16:23] <charlie-tca> yes, it is called a faced theme.
[16:24] <Laserbeak43> ok, i'm using a faced theme now but i don't have a user selection
[16:24] <Laserbeak43> just a place to type a user's name
[16:24]  * Laserbeak43 has a 3 year old that isn't much of a typer
[16:24] <charlie-tca> faced themes should have a user list and a place-holder for a picture of the user.
[16:24] <Laserbeak43> or a speller for that
[16:24] <Laserbeak43> ok thanks
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Try settings -> login window and try each theme. They won't have the xubuntu logo, but they do work
[16:30] <Laserbeak43> no
[16:30] <Laserbeak43> just typing
[16:30] <Laserbeak43> there's an option to add more though
[16:30] <Laserbeak43> so i have to find a place to download them
[16:30] <Laserbeak43> ok i don't see where i would get them :/
[16:32] <charlie-tca> !themes
[16:32] <charlie-tca> !gdm
[16:33] <charlie-tca> !changethemes
[16:33] <charlie-tca> I don't know, maybe
[16:37] <Laserbeak43> ok thanks i'll look
[16:52] <Laserbeak43> just posted these
[16:52] <Laserbeak43> oh well, i posted on the forums
[16:52] <Laserbeak43> the clipboard is acting stupid
[16:52] <vinnl> Laserbeak43, how?
[16:53] <Laserbeak43> i pressed ctrl+c in FF and then tried to paste here
[16:53] <Laserbeak43> but no go
[16:53] <vinnl> With Firefox still open?
[16:53] <Laserbeak43> nothing unusual
[16:53] <Laserbeak43> oh
[16:53] <Laserbeak43> if you close ff the clipboard erases?
[16:53] <vinnl> Laserbeak43, not if you add the Clipman plugin to the panel ;-)
[16:54] <Laserbeak43> hehe sounds like a plan
[16:54] <Laserbeak43> thanks :)
[16:55] <vinnl> yw :)
[16:55] <Laserbeak43> added :)
[16:59] <Laserbeak43> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1096905
[16:59] <Laserbeak43> thats the link btw
[16:59] <Laserbeak43> don't think i'
[16:59] <Laserbeak43> ll
[16:59] <Laserbeak43> get an answer though
[16:59] <Laserbeak43> that forum moves fast
[17:10] <Laserbeak43> charlie-tca: seems i've found one in the list
[17:10] <Laserbeak43> faced with browser
[19:04] <whileimhere> Hi how can I add the workspace switcher to my panel.
[19:04] <merav_> Hey, how do I enable Hebrew on my Xubuntu 8.10 installation?
[19:05] <SiDi> whileimhere: right click -> add to panel -> workspaces
[19:05] <TheSheep> merav_: applications->system->language support
[19:05] <TheSheep> merav_: install it, then pick your language at the login screen
[19:05] <SiDi> whileimhere: the thing to add might be named "Desktops"
[19:05] <merav_> there's no hebrew there thesheet
[19:06] <merav_> hrm
[19:06] <merav_> sorry, it is there the sheep
[19:06] <whileimhere> SiDi I do not see either of those listed. I was looking for those.
[19:06] <TheSheep> the translations may be inclomplete, you can help improving it :)
[19:06] <TheSheep> !translate
[19:06] <merav_> but I don't want full hebrew for my system, but only the ability to switch between english and hebrew keyboards
[19:06] <TheSheep> ah!
[19:06] <TheSheep> !layout
[19:07] <merav_> i'll try, thanks thesheep
[19:07] <TheSheep> merav_: oops, sorry, it changed in recent xubuntu
[19:07] <SiDi> whileimhere: i have it here. an iconless entry called "Bureaux" (Desktops in english)
[19:07] <merav_> ...oh
[19:07] <SiDi> the description is something such as "miniature view of virtual desktops"
[19:07] <TheSheep> merav_: you don't edit xorg.conf, you edit /etc/defaults/console
[19:08] <merav_> oh alright
[19:08] <merav_> sec
[19:08] <TheSheep>  /etc/default/console-setup
[19:08] <TheSheep> sorry
[19:08] <merav_> alright, I've loaded it in nano
[19:08] <merav_> but what do I edit?
[19:09] <TheSheep> there should be a line like XKBLAYOUT="us"
[19:09] <TheSheep> change it to "he"
[19:09] <merav_> ok, done
[19:09] <whileimhere> sidi I found it. The no icon thing gave me a clue. Its called pager here
[19:09] <SiDi> There is the setxkbmap command, either.
[19:09] <SiDi> whileimhere: scary names isn't it ? :P
[19:10] <merav_> ...now what?
[19:11] <merav_> now what thesheep?
[19:12] <merav_> br
[19:12] <merav_> b
[19:57] <Hancok> can any one tell me a verygood and free ext3 filesystem recovery app to recover my deleted or formated files/data ?
[19:58] <TheSheep> Hancok: there is no such thing
[19:58] <Hancok> TheSheep then how can i recover my deleted data from an ext3?
[19:58] <TheSheep> Hancok: you might be able to find some of those files by content, if you are lucky
[19:59] <TheSheep> Hancok: but most of the time you can't, they are lost
[19:59] <Hancok> windows have many  app for fat32 and ntfs. why not ext3?
[19:59] <Hancok> TheSheep what do you mean by 'content'?
[20:00] <TheSheep> Hancok: if you remember what was in those files, you can search the raw disk image for it and recover fragments of those files, if you can spot their beginning and end, and if they fit in one block
[20:01] <Hancok> how to search for it then?
[20:03] <TheSheep> your disk is treated as a file, you can open /dev/sda in some binary editor or viewer, and look for your files
[20:03] <SiDi> There must be apps actually T_T
[20:04] <TheSheep> SiDi: it's not possible, DOS/Windows only marks files as deleted by replacing the first letter of their names with special character, ext3 deletes the entry that describes where the file is from inode table
[20:04] <merav_> hey TheSheep, i have still not managed to install the hebrew keyboard...got any ideas?
[20:05] <TheSheep> merav_: you've put 'he' in XKBLAYOUT in that file?
[20:05] <TheSheep> merav_: it should just work, after logging out and back in
[20:06] <over1ord> hello; I'm having problems instaling xubuntu (more specifically, my of won't boot the live cd). any suggestions?
[20:07] <SiDi> that's true, knowing how ext is made, it would be pretty HARD, but i dont think it'd be impossible to get a few files back
[20:07] <SiDi> there would just be missing parts :P
[20:08] <merav_> TheSheep, after putting in 'he', the entire computer operated in hebrew..i only wanted a keyboard switch option
[20:09] <merav_> how can i do that?
[20:09] <TheSheep> that's strange
[20:09] <merav_> very
[20:09] <TheSheep> what happens wen you just run 'setxkbmap he' in terminal?
[20:11] <merav_> nothing at all
[20:11] <TheSheep> no message?
[20:11] <merav_> what should i write in terminal
[20:11] <merav_> ?
[20:12] <TheSheep> setxkbmap he
[20:12] <merav_> nothing happens
[20:12] <TheSheep> not even an error?
[20:12] <TheSheep> because it gives me an error that hebrew keyboard map is not installed
[20:13] <merav_> nope..no error.....
[20:14] <TheSheep> should hebrew keyboard output hebrew characters normally, or with some modifier key?
[20:14] <merav_> i dont understand..
[20:14] <TheSheep> because the polish layout is identical with us, except it has some additional characters when you press alt+key
[20:15] <TheSheep> maybe hebrew works in similar way?
[20:15] <TheSheep> but I suppose that would be inconvenient
[20:15] <merav_> the characters in hebrew are completley different then the english ones..
[20:15] <TheSheep> yes
[20:16] <TheSheep> I'm aware of that, I worked on rtl support for my webapp :)
[20:16] <TheSheep> merav_: what happens if you put "us,he" in that XKBLAYOUT like?
[20:16] <TheSheep> line
[20:17] <TheSheep> XKBLAYOUT="us,he"
[20:17] <merav_> arg. with ubuntu i could easily use the keyboard setting to change it so that i would press alt-alt and it would change between them..
[20:17] <merav_> hold on i'll try
[20:17] <TheSheep> yeah, xfce sucks in this regard
[20:17] <SiDi> use gnome's app under xfce then :P
[20:18] <merav_> how..?
[20:19] <merav_> ...
[20:19] <merav_> ?
[20:19] <Alynna> actually i'll ask here.  I got a question about what might be a serious bug..
[20:19] <Alynna> if theres currently a workaround..
[20:19] <Alynna> when I maximize a window, its borders disappear.
[20:19] <TheSheep> Alynna: that's intended, you can disable that
[20:19] <Myrtti> shouldn't. which version are you using?
[20:20] <Myrtti> o, right, BORDERS
[20:20]  * Myrtti buys new eyes
[20:20] <Alynna> no, I mean ALL th borders, including the titlebar.
[20:20] <TheSheep> Alynna: how do you maximize it?
[20:20] <TheSheep> Alynna: f11?
[20:20] <Alynna> clicking on the square.
[20:21]  * charlie-tca don't like when windows do that. He likes the titlebar
[20:21] <Alynna> the window itself is the proper size, i can see the desktop underneath where the borders would be.
[20:21] <Alynna> here i'll post a snapshot.
[20:22] <TheSheep> Alynna: do the title appear back when you unmaximize it?
[20:22] <Alynna> yes.
[20:24] <Alynna> http://kitsunet.net/xubuntubug.png
[20:24] <Alynna> note, that this is with Jaunty development version,
[20:24] <Myrtti> 404
[20:24] <Alynna> oops
[20:25] <Alynna> http://kitsunet.net/xubuntubug1.png
[20:25] <Alynna> as you can see, not only are its borders missing, but you can see the borders of another window behind it
[20:25] <Alynna> the window manager itself is fine
[20:26] <Alynna> and if i unmaximize the window borders will return.
[20:27] <Alynna> i upgraded to Jaunty early cause I really wanted DRI2 and kinda regret it now. heh.  But i've found workarounds for most the problems but this one
[20:28] <Alynna> I had to disable UXA acceleration because of all the problems it caused..
[20:28] <Alynna> I've got about a dozen bugs to report about UXA/DRI2..
[20:29] <Alynna> but the one I am reporting now i'm pretty sure can be localized to XFWM4
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Do you have compiz enabled?
[20:29] <Alynna> no.
[20:30] <charlie-tca> Tried different themes?
[20:30] <Alynna> I actually want acceleration for 3D apps like second life, I do not want my desktop compositing because it would take performance from 3D apps
[20:30] <Alynna> i tried different window decoration themes, yes
[20:31] <Alynna> the windows themselves resize as if the theme was changed, but the borders don't reappear.
[20:31] <Alynna> actually what specifically happens is this:
[20:32] <Alynna> when I go to change the theme..
[20:32] <Alynna> the window maximizes as if it has no borders whatsoever.
[20:32] <Alynna> when I unmaximize, the borders return in the new theme.
[20:33] <Alynna> when I maximize in the new theme, the borders disappear, to the size of the new theme.
[20:36] <Alynna> its too bad, actually, i'd prefer this behaviour if the window actually maximized without titlebars.  this is an acer aspire one, 1024x600.
[20:36] <Alynna> i may have to install Compiz just to fix this
[20:39] <Alynna> where should I report the DRI2/UXA bugs?
[20:39] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[20:39] <Alynna> and where to report this specific xubuntu bug?
[20:40] <charlie-tca> Same place, just one bug report will cover it
[20:40] <Alynna> ok.. cause i got several bugs to report.
[20:40] <Alynna> DRI2/UXA is currently in pretty bad shape.
[20:41] <Alynna> and i know its getting close to release time
[20:41] <charlie-tca> Make sure you state in the report the hardware used, that it is Jaunty Xubuntu, you updated yesterday or today,.
[20:41] <charlie-tca> one bug per report
[20:42] <charlie-tca> I use the format in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Bug-Reprot-Layout
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Well, this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Bug-Report-Layout
[20:43] <bpmarkham1> i have a fresh install of xubuntu on my ps3 and can't install anything. apt-get install keeps getting stuck at "processing triggers for man-db" any ideas anyone?
[20:44] <bpmarkham1> ubuntu install does the same thing
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Did you use the ported version?
[20:44] <Alynna> compiz has screwed my entire session BRB
[20:44] <bpmarkham1> the powerpc ps3 version? yes
[20:44] <charlie-tca> That would be the one, yes
[20:45] <bpmarkham1> yea i'm on my 4th fresh install... can't seem to figure it out
[20:45] <charlie-tca> !ps3
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Someone want to jump in here? I don't know the ps3
[20:48] <charlie-tca> bpmarkham1: I might suggest the #ubuntu-ps3 channel.
[20:48] <bpmarkham1> thanks!
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Hope they can help
[20:50] <Laserbeak43> dowloaded wolfenstein went into terminal and navigated to its directory
[20:50] <Laserbeak43> typed sudo chmod +x et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[20:50] <Laserbeak43> and nothing happened
[20:51] <arktvrvs> something did hapen
[20:52] <arktvrvs> you made it executable, now execute it
[20:52] <arktvrvs> ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[20:52] <Alynna> you know what this is acting like?
[20:52] <Alynna> i just noticed that some of my windows are coming up automaximized.
[20:52] <Laserbeak43> oh ok
[20:53] <charlie-tca> are they opening maximized, or is it just the maximized icon?
[20:53] <Alynna> some things are opening maximized that didn't before.
[20:53] <Alynna> glxgears, the thunderbird preferences dialog
[20:54] <Alynna> i think something is in the background doing this..
[20:54] <charlie-tca> Resolution, I think
[20:54] <Alynna> i think something in here is trying to treat my system like a netbook (which it is) but I have it running a full desktop.
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Now that you mention it, I have seen that. Many applications open maximized in VBox, at low resolution.
[20:56] <charlie-tca> At higher resolutions on my hardware installs, they don't do that
[20:56] <slow-motion> hi
[20:56] <Alynna> maximus... i didn't put that in there...
[20:56] <charlie-tca> But I never lose the title bar
[20:57] <Alynna> i bet thats it
[20:57] <Laserbeak43> how do i kill an application that won't stop?
[20:57] <Laserbeak43> is it "kill"?
[20:57] <charlie-tca> killall appname in a terminal
[20:57] <charlie-tca> or
[20:57] <arktvrvs> pkill!
[20:58] <bpmarkham1> no response in #ubuntu-ps3... post here again...  i have a fresh install of xubuntu on my ps3 and can't install anything. apt-get install keeps getting stuck at "processing triggers for man-db" any ideas anyone? same thing happens for an ubuntu install. I'm also using the ported ps3 iso.
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Ctrl+alt+esc and click on the application if you are not in jaunty
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Laserbeak43: sorry, sudo killall appname
[20:59] <Alynna> that fixed it
[20:59] <charlie-tca> what did?
[20:59] <Alynna> i killall -9'ed maximus
[20:59] <charlie-tca> I thought Laserbeak43 asked about killing
[20:59] <Laserbeak43> hehe
[20:59] <Laserbeak43> well i need to kill abiword
[21:00] <Laserbeak43> but it says i need a process name or id
[21:00] <Alynna> I wonder if its possible to make maximus actually work right..
[21:00] <charlie-tca> You in the gui?
[21:00] <Laserbeak43> oh that did it
[21:00] <Laserbeak43> sudo killall
[21:00] <Laserbeak43> thx
[21:00] <charlie-tca> sure
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Alynna: I don't know, but that should narrow down the bug report some
[21:01] <Alynna> it does, it means the bug isnt with xfwm4
[21:13] <Alynna> lets see if this fixed problems with UXA, i kinda doubt it, but worht a try
[21:13] <charlie-tca> Anybody know of a PPA with gnumeric in it? I need the latest version
[21:19] <forces> how can I install xfce 4.6 in xubuntu?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> It is in jaunty, to be released on April 23. Also,
[21:20] <TheSheep> forces: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2008-August/006494.html
[21:20] <charlie-tca> We got the final in ppa
[21:21] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CharlieKravetz/TipsAndNotes#Xfce%204.6%20in%20Intrepid%20and%20Hardy
[21:22] <forces> what happen if I'm using xubuntu 8.04 LTS?
[21:22] <forces> can I install xfce 4.6?
[21:22] <charlie-tca> See my reference right above
[21:24] <forces> ok thanks
[21:35] <Dillizar> will xubuntu work on 466mhz with 384ram with no compiz or what so ever effects?
[21:35] <charlie-tca> it will, but it will be slow
[21:35] <charlie-tca> If you stay with one application at a time, maybe two, it should be fine
[21:35] <chewit> i run xubuntu on 633mhz & 256mb, runs very well
[21:36] <Dillizar> will flash works chewit
[21:36] <chewit> works great for me
[21:36] <Dillizar> 10??
[21:36] <chewit> but full screen is terrible
[21:36] <chewit> yes 10, 10 runs better than 9 for linux anyway
[21:36] <Dillizar> yeah
[21:37] <Dillizar> well 700mhz its the min for ubuntu :P
[21:37] <chewit> i thought 700 was recommended, isnt 300 min
[21:37] <charlie-tca> yes, but xubuntu is tested on 400MHz, 256MB ram
[21:37] <chewit> ah
[21:38] <chewit> has 9.04 has any improvements on mem & cpu usage
[21:38] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu uses more resources. To run the minumun, you install a server version or minimal version
[21:39] <charlie-tca> don't know that one, chewit
[21:39] <Dillizar> charlie-tca, if i install xubuntu and install gnome interface will it be still xubuntu or will be ubuntu
[21:39] <Dillizar> does the interface makes it xubuntu
[21:39] <charlie-tca> I think 9.04 uses less ram and cpu than 8.04 and 8.10 did, but that is only because I can get 9.04 to work on that old machine
[21:40] <chewit> ah gd
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Dillizar: it will be xubuntu with gnome, but will work much worse that Xubuntu without gnome
[21:42] <Dillizar> xubntu with gnome will work faster than ubuntu
[21:42] <Dillizar> maybe i will just install LCARS 24
[21:42] <chewit> isn;t that just ubuntu if  u do that
[21:42] <chewit> you could try lxde
[21:42] <Mr-Woof> lo all, wondering if i could ask a question? :)
[21:43] <charlie-tca> Dillizar: I don't think it will be much faster, if at all. It is gnome that slows ubuntu down
[21:43] <charlie-tca> !question
[21:44] <Dillizar> chewit, damn its debian :D i like lxde :P
[21:44] <Mr-Woof> I've got a eee900 netbook, i don't want to overwrite the existing xandros install. I've just got unetbootin working with xubuntu. I'd like to install that to a sd card, what sort of size would i need? Would it work ok?
[21:44] <Dillizar> Mr-Woof, wait wait
[21:44] <chewit> u can install lxde in ubuntu
[21:44] <chewit> sudo apt-get install lxde
[21:45] <Dillizar> your eee900 using what kind of hdd
[21:45] <Mr-Woof> waiting :)
[21:45] <Mr-Woof> it has two, 4gb and 16gb i think
[21:45] <Dillizar> Mr-Woof,
[21:45] <Dillizar> do you know
[21:45] <Dillizar> what kind of hdd you have
[21:45] <Dillizar> lemme tell you
[21:45] <Dillizar> 10x faster than any sata
[21:45] <Mr-Woof> please do :)
[21:46] <Dillizar> 160gb from your kidn of hdd its smt like 1000$
[21:46] <charlie-tca> You can also install xubuntu it it
[21:46] <Mr-Woof> I'd like it separate from the existing xandros install though
[21:47] <Mr-Woof> Great distro by the way guys, i use ubuntu normally :)
[21:48] <charlie-tca> just have the installation process partition the 16gb drive and install there. You need 3GB for /, if home is separate
[21:53] <Mr-Woof> hmm good idea, so if i did install it on an sd card i would need at least 4gb?
[21:54] <slow-motion> n8
[21:54] <charlie-tca> yes, to do the install. It will take just over 1.5 GB when installed
[21:54] <charlie-tca> But it has to have room for the files during the installation process
[21:58] <Mr-Woof> what sort of size are we talking about?
[21:58] <stygian> whats a good font for unicode? this monospace is just giving me lots of ????
[21:58] <charlie-tca> 3 GB minimum for the installation process to proceed
[21:59] <Mr-Woof> k, thanks :)
[21:59] <charlie-tca> stygian: maybe sans will be better for you?
[22:00] <Mr-Woof> out of interest, does anyone in here own a fujitsu siemens v2000d notebook?
[22:01] <charlie-tca> stygian: also, bitstream fonts should work, I think. I use all DejaVu fonts, and only get a couple of ??
[22:03] <Mr-Woof> i can't get the bloody thing to boot from a usb pen drive
[22:08] <Mr-Woof> thanks for the information guys
[22:09] <stygian> heres a better question, how do i get unicode (or even things like ?) to appear in xfterm4?
[22:09] <Mr-Woof> laters
[22:09] <stygian> alls well in firefox and such
[22:17] <TheSheep> stygian: it just works
[22:18] <stygian> ?ss?ae(C) --> ?ss?ae(C)
[22:18] <TheSheep> stygian: look: こんにちは
[22:18] <stygian> "?????"
[22:19] <TheSheep> stygian: did you uninstall anything?
[22:19] <stygian> no
[22:19] <stygian> i evidently didnt have the language pack until about 30 minutes ago though
[22:20] <TheSheep> the basic fonts are installed by default
[22:20] <TheSheep> stygian: what's your locale?
[22:21] <stygian> not sure, how do i find?
[22:21] <TheSheep> stygian: if you type 'locale' in the terminal, what does it say (don't paste it all)
[22:21] <stygian> C
[22:21] <TheSheep> ok, that's broken
[22:22] <TheSheep> log out, choose your locale at login screen, and log in back
[22:22] <stygian> k, 1 sec
[22:24] <arktvrvs> öaha
[22:24] <arktvrvs> great
[22:25] <TheSheep> :0
[22:25] <TheSheep> :)
[22:27] <arktvrvs> ðþ
[22:29] <bpmarkham> hey everyone... while trying to install specific packages or run the update manager on a fresh install of ubuntu or xubuntu the install freezes at "processing triggers for man-db." Any ideas how i can fix or get around this?
[22:31] <Mood> do you have enough HD space?
[22:31] <bpmarkham> Mood: that ? for me?
[22:32] <Mood> yes
[22:32] <bpmarkham> yes i do
[22:32] <bpmarkham> in fact it says it's only gonna take up a couple hundred KB but there's gigs free
[22:37] <Mood> bpmarkham: do you have /usr/lib/man-db/man?
[22:38] <bpmarkham> sb1
[22:38] <Mood> ?
[22:39] <bpmarkham> stand by 1
[22:39] <bpmarkham> yes i do
[22:40] <Mood> bpmarkham: i'd never had that issue myself, but i'd check /var/log files to see if there's any errors not showing up on std output
[22:40] <Mood> having said that, i have to leave now. best of luck to you
[22:41] <bpmarkham> tks mood
[22:52] <bpmarkham> anyone else got any ideas
[22:52] <bpmarkham> hey everyone... while trying to install specific packages or run the update manager on a fresh install of ubuntu or xubuntu the install freezes at "processing triggers for man-db." Any ideas how i can fix or get around this?
[22:57] <Daxie> searching the ubuntu forums had no awnser?
[22:58] <Daxie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1095564&highlight=processing+triggers+man-db.
[23:08] <bpmarkham> it does this for anything i try to install
[23:08] <bpmarkham> not a one package deal
[23:08] <Daxie> hmm ok
[23:08] <bpmarkham> even when running apt-get upgrade
[23:08] <Daxie> aptitude update ?
[23:09] <bpmarkham> that the same as apt-get update?
[23:09] <Daxie> saver i heard, i use it all the time
[23:11] <bpmarkham> so try aptitude upgrade as well?
[23:11] <Daxie> you can try
[23:13] <bpmarkham> same problem
[23:13] <bpmarkham> stops at "processing triggers for man-db"
[23:14] <Daxie> Hmm ok
[23:14] <bpmarkham> this time it's working on perl base
[23:15] <bpmarkham> "preparing to replace... unpacking replacement... processing triggers for man-db"
[23:16] <bpmarkham> it's like it's got ADD...
[23:16] <bpmarkham> installing, installing, installing, ooo look a shiny object i'm gonna go off into la-la-land now
[23:17] <Daxie> lol
[23:24] <knome> please try to stay sane on the channel ;)
[23:24] <Daxie> you can check with synaptic if there are any broken packages
[23:25] <bpmarkham> how do i go about that?
[23:26] <Daxie> open synaptic Go to EDIT > Fix broken packages. Then "Reload"
[23:26] <bpmarkham> i'll give it a whirl
[23:27] <Daxie> ok, got to go... good luck