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| burba | can i join the testing team | 01:22 |
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| nhandler | burba_: It is an open team on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-testers | 01:30 |
| nhandler | burba: You will also want to read https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters | 01:37 |
| burba | ok thank you | 01:39 |
| burba | how to i join the testing team | 01:51 |
| nhandler | burba: It is an open team on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-testers | 01:54 |
| jjesse | to upgrade from one release to another is it upgrade-manager -d? | 01:54 |
| nhandler | jjesse: What release are you trying to upgrade to and from? | 01:54 |
| jjesse | 8.10 to 9.04 | 01:54 |
| jjesse | that's the supported way correct? | 01:55 |
| nhandler | Yeah, update-manager -d should work | 01:55 |
| nhandler | You might need the -c flag too | 01:56 |
| jjesse | ah now the upgrade would work, but once 9.04 is released, will it just be update-manager -d | 01:57 |
| jjesse | correct? | 01:57 |
| nhandler | I don't think -d is needed once it is released. -d = upgrade to the devel release | 01:57 |
| jjesse | ah | 01:58 |
| nhandler | jjesse: The wiki for intrepid was telling people to do 'sudo do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to Intrepid after it was released | 02:00 |
| jjesse | nhandler: awesomethat's what i need | 02:00 |
| jjesse | ah and to do a developmental upgrade its sudo do-release-upgrade -d | 02:01 |
| jjesse | and when you do the sudo do-release-upgrade -d it will change your sources.list to jaunty :) | 02:02 |
| nhandler | Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever upgraded using the supported methods. I've usually upgraded pre-alpha | 02:04 |
| burba | #kubuntu-team | 02:09 |
| nixternal | maco: thanks for the quick reply :) | 02:34 |
| * dtchen spots another core | 02:35 | |
| maco | no problem | 02:35 |
| maco | core? oh you want an uploader | 02:35 |
| dtchen | so nixternal...mind uploading a debdiff for me? | 02:35 |
| dtchen | (bug 343254) | 02:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 343254 in linux "pulseaudio: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343254 | 02:35 |
| nixternal | is this some of your crack? and where the hell are your upload rights? | 02:35 |
| maco | they expired a year ago | 02:36 |
| nixternal | dtchen: building now | 02:41 |
| dtchen | nixternal: ok. the only diff between that version and the one already built in my ppa (0.9.14-0ubuntu12~crimsun1) is in debian/changelog. | 02:47 |
| nixternal | dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131799/ | 02:52 |
| nixternal | don't know if that is a booged hook, or those are purposely missing | 02:53 |
| dtchen | from which package? | 02:54 |
| nixternal | damn script | 02:54 |
| dtchen | yeah, the output there is not helpful | 02:57 |
| dtchen | e.g., pulseaudio ships those gzipped | 02:57 |
| dtchen | and libpulsecore9 ships the actual library | 02:57 |
| nixternal | dtchen: you are right, that package is good to go...i shall upload it now for you | 03:09 |
| dtchen | nixternal: thanks | 03:09 |
| nixternal | Successfully uploaded packages | 03:10 |
| nixternal | done | 03:10 |
| a|wen | ryanakca: i saw the failures... they are fixed in an extra upload of the affected packages | 08:40 |
| a|wen | shouldn't we get libopensync-plugin-kdepim removed. as far as i can see, it is for kde3 version of kdepim; and we can not upgrade to a new version as we need to match the version of opensync in the archive | 09:01 |
| Tm_T | a|wen: it have to be removed | 09:07 |
| Tm_T | opensync is not supported in kdepim atm | 09:07 |
| a|wen | Tm_T: thought so | 09:08 |
| Tm_T | at all, it might work, but that would be like winning in lottery | 09:08 |
| a|wen | Tm_T: currently uninstallable | 09:10 |
| Tm_T | I wonder why | 09:11 |
| Tm_T | a|wen: kdepim is depending on it? | 09:12 |
| a|wen | Tm_T: i hope not... | 09:12 |
| Tm_T | hmm, so why it is uninstallable? | 09:13 |
| a|wen | Tm_T: depends on libkcal2b (>= 4:3.5.7) which does not exist | 09:14 |
| Tm_T | ... | 09:14 |
| Tm_T | madness | 09:14 |
| a|wen | jup | 09:15 |
| a|wen | no it has no reverse depends though; which is a good thing | 09:17 |
| Tm_T | a|wen: so it just needs to be nuked | 09:22 |
| a|wen | Tm_T: i think so ... i'll just try to do a rebuild and see if that produces anything usable; if not i'm filing a "nuke request! | 09:23 |
| a|wen | quickly granted ... rebuild not possible | 09:23 |
| Tm_T | aye | 09:24 |
| Tm_T | Akonadi folks are trying to make it to do the job, so kdepim doesn't need to know about those itself | 09:24 |
| a|wen | uh oh, cool ... i want that :) | 09:25 |
| Tm_T | there should be some alpha-state google support already | 09:25 |
| Tm_T | haven't tested it yet though | 09:26 |
| a|wen | okay... hopefully something to come for 4.4 if we are lucky... | 09:27 |
| Tm_T | 4.3 possibly | 09:28 |
| a|wen | let's hope | 09:29 |
| Tm_T | gah, so much things I would like to help but I cannot because of time and especially money ): | 09:31 |
| a|wen | Tm_T: bug 343578 ... do you think it looks fine? | 09:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 343578 in libopensync-plugin-kdepim "[source+binary removal] libopensync-plugin-kdepim" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343578 | 09:33 |
| Tm_T | fine by me | 09:34 |
| a|wen | should we remove it from intrepid as well ... or is that more hassle than necessary? | 09:36 |
| * Lure likes qtcurve | 09:44 | |
| Tm_T | a|wen: should be removed from everywhere it doesn't work IMO | 09:52 |
| a|wen | done! ... and ubuntu-archive is subscribed | 09:56 |
| yao_ziyuan | can i run update-notifier (not update-notifier-kde) at kde startup for update notification? | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | sure | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | just make it run, needs some tweaking in .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autorun/ dir | 10:02 |
| yao_ziyuan | i just added it in System Settings > Autostart | 10:03 |
| Tm_T | yao_ziyuan: .desktop file? | 10:03 |
| Tm_T | bah | 10:03 |
| raphink | jjesse: thanks | 10:10 |
| jussi01 | unbelievable... | 11:56 |
| * jussi01 wonders who the ssh maintainer is so he can get grumpy... | 11:56 | |
| Riddell | debian I expect | 12:01 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: can you explain why you might expect this to change from commas to spaces? AllowGroups | 12:04 |
| jussi01 | This keyword can be followed by a list of group name patterns, | 12:04 |
| jussi01 | separated by spaces. | 12:04 |
| jussi01 | in ssh? | 12:04 |
| * jussi01 had to go get physical access to the server after an ssh update killed it... | 12:04 | |
| Riddell | I've no idea | 12:10 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: do you think you have time to sponsor the gtk2-engines-qtcurve portion of bug 342473? | 12:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 342473 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.62.2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342473 | 12:24 |
| Riddell | can do | 12:25 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 12:26 |
| JontheEchidna | I must say 1 hours is the shortest time I've had to wait until promotion for an MIR | 12:30 |
| JontheEchidna | I guess it shows just how badly gtk-qt-engine was hated :D | 12:30 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: I accidentally the whole kdmgreet scaling | 12:47 |
| JontheEchidna | better mark it off your notes plasmoid :P | 12:47 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: Tonio_ says "I just uploded everything required." | 12:55 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: He might have commented on the wrong bug | 12:55 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: but he didn't upload gtk2-engines-qtcurve? | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | If he did it must be taking forever to publish | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: I think he might have been wanting to comment on the MIR/default setting/desktop seed bug | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | he did upload all of that | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | And I don't see 0.62.2 published | 12:57 |
| JontheEchidna | or pending | 12:57 |
| ryanakca | a|wen: splendid :) | 12:58 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: where's the .orig for that? | 13:00 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: oh, oops | 13:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: attached | 13:08 |
| jussi01 | hrm, wasnt today the day they were supposed to come back to us to say if we get sponsorship to uds? | 13:08 |
| ScottK | Riddell: There were some bits of it stuck in New, but I was a bit confused by it and what the overrides should be so I didn't touch it. | 13:09 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: ^^ | 13:09 |
| Riddell | ScottK: bits of which?> | 13:10 |
| ScottK | One of the qtcurve packages. | 13:11 |
| Riddell | don't see any now | 13:11 |
| ScottK | OK. | 13:11 |
| ScottK | yep. gone now. | 13:12 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: what's the problem with gtk2-engines-qtcurve ? | 13:17 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I saw that your upload is lost somewhere.... | 13:17 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, the 0.60.2 update never made it, it seems | 13:17 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: launchpad says it's built, but it doesn't appear in the archives | 13:17 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: hum, I have 0.60.2 here | 13:18 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: was I supposed to upload something else ? :) | 13:18 |
| Tonio_ | http://pastebin.com/m6aa9898f | 13:19 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: just wondering where is your last upload.... | 13:19 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: oh no right I have 0.60.0 | 13:19 |
| JontheEchidna | Well I never actually asked you to sponsor the 0.60.2 bugfix release so I guess you weren't *supposed* to | 13:20 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: well afaik, it was uploaded, and built.... there is a problem with the archives on that point... | 13:22 |
| JontheEchidna | weird | 13:22 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell re-upped, so hopefully everything will be good now | 13:27 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: hum I just looked again... I probably made the confusion between kde-style-qtcurve (which was indeed uploaded) and gtk2-engines-qtcurve... | 13:45 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I slept 5 hours for the all last 4 nights.... that explains :'( | 13:45 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: your redraw issue with qt-4.5 fixed? | 13:45 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: still happens a bit, but not that much... | 13:46 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: it always happen here, and cause a some other issues too, confirmed with other distro's user | 13:46 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: but when I said "uploaded everything", I was talking about the 3 packages I mentionned, not the gtk2-engines-qtcurve itself... sorry for the confusion... | 13:47 |
| ScottK | Do we want the patch in Debian Bug 448555? | 13:47 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 448555 in libqt4-core "libqt4-core: fonts are not hinted, therefore blurry and ugly" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/448555 | 13:47 |
| freeflying | do u think qt-4.5 is too bleeding edge? | 13:48 |
| ScottK | We've already jumped to 4.5, so it's water under the bridge at this point. | 13:49 |
| * ScottK hopes that translates. | 13:49 | |
| freeflying | ScottK: you don't have the redraw issue? | 13:50 |
| * ScottK isn't on Jaunty, so no. | 13:50 | |
| Lure | Riddell, ScottK: remind me: if only rebuild is needed, can buildd admin just give-back, or is no-change upload required? | 13:55 |
| ScottK | Lure: Did it fail to build? | 13:57 |
| Lure | ScottK: no, rebuild due to transition to exiv2 0.18 | 13:58 |
| ScottK | That needs an upload then. | 13:58 |
| Lure | ScottK: ok, thanks for confirming | 13:58 |
| Lure | ScottK: and "build1" version tags are still used for packages that do not have ubuntu specific change, right? | 13:59 |
| Lure | freeflying: redraw issue: on intel card? | 14:01 |
| freeflying | Lure: yes | 14:01 |
| Lure | freeflying: I have this also on x200s - see bug 279727 | 14:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 279727 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Display Corruption w/ Intel 4700MHD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279727 | 14:01 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: Do you have any hints on how to set arch specific build flags with cmake? kde-style-skulpture could use the same fix cjwatson did to qt4-x11, but I've no idea how to apply it. | 14:08 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I think you'd have to set it in debian/rules | 14:09 |
| ScottK | OK. | 14:10 |
| Riddell | if DEB_ARCH is hppa CMAKE_ARGS += -DCFLAGS=foo | 14:10 |
| Riddell | obviously that's psudo code | 14:10 |
| ScottK | If anyone has time to look into it, that'd be great as it'll be a day or two probably before I can get to it. | 14:11 |
| seele | maco: i didn't understand the change of the dc loco from the nu loco.. are all the central eastern locos being removed from northeast? | 14:59 |
| maco | seele: the northeast one is dead | 15:00 |
| maco | this gets dc loco to stop having "dead ubuntu community" listed on its front page | 15:00 |
| seele | i didn't realise northeast was a real loco, just a group of locos | 15:00 |
| maco | cuz well...far as i can tell..dc loco is at least somewhat still alive | 15:00 |
| seele | yeah it is.. they still maintain the ubuntu lab and i think kevin still does some things | 15:01 |
| maco | at one point we were organizing locos by regions in the US, but that was abandoned | 15:01 |
| maco | i realized im still an admin on NU so i figured id get us off the dead list | 15:01 |
| ia | hello. i decided to test latest dev version of kubuntu in live cd mode - i've downloaded iso image, correctly wrote it to usb flash, insert flash in pc and booted; after init window plays music and screen goes black, but mouse cursor is still visible an movable, but nothing happens - screen just black and glow. so, if anybody clashed with this already, i will be very appreciate for any clues. | 15:33 |
| nixternal | ia: did you use a beta release or one of the daily releases? | 15:34 |
| nixternal | i just did a beta install from usb this weekend and it was fine | 15:35 |
| ia | nixternal: it's a alpha-6 | 15:35 |
| nixternal | hrmm, it worked fine here...what video card are you using on that system? | 15:35 |
| ia | it's i945 intel chipset. | 15:37 |
| ia | nixternal: btw, tty-s working and switching fine | 15:38 |
| nixternal | hrmm, I will have to give my laptop a go and see if it is having issues...I did have issues with the older intel chipsets after my last install which was about a month ago | 15:38 |
| nixternal | what about restarting x? have you given that a shot yet? | 15:38 |
| nixternal | take a look at the ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if there are any errors | 15:39 |
| Riddell | ia: check in /var/crash did plasma crash? | 16:01 |
| ia | nixternal: well, i don't think that problem in chipset or in video subsystem - screen however looks like works fine - it's just doesn't show desktop :-) | 16:03 |
| ia | Riddell: wait a few minutes :-) | 16:03 |
| ia | Riddell: yep, there is two crash-files - plasma and nepomukservicestub. | 16:07 |
| Riddell | ia: I think plasma will start if you rm /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-appletsrc | 16:09 |
| Riddell | you can use alt-F2 konsole to get a terminal in the X session | 16:09 |
| Riddell | then you can start plasma | 16:09 |
| JontheEchidna | Updating to the latest packages should also fix it | 16:09 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: oh? what changes? | 16:09 |
| JontheEchidna | There's a patch for the startup crash | 16:09 |
| JontheEchidna | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.2.1a-0ubuntu6 | 16:10 |
| JontheEchidna | which I need to backport to kubuntu-experimental | 16:12 |
| Riddell | ia: so try again with today's daily-live CD | 16:13 |
| ia | Riddell: i've removed (backed up, actually) plasma-appletsrc and restart X-server - now desktop works :-) thanks. but AFAIU, now I have no working plasma, right? | 16:14 |
| Riddell | if your desktop works then you have a working plasma | 16:14 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: your gtk-qtcurve looks nothing like mine | 16:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: rly? | 16:16 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: if I rm .config/qtcurve* it reverts to your screenshot style | 16:19 |
| JontheEchidna | ah. I seem to remember that the author did change the defaults for the 0.62.x releases | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | so maybe you had older defaults? | 16:20 |
| dAskreeCh | cute | 16:23 |
| dAskreeCh | Kubuntu is a beating stick | 16:23 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I guess so | 16:23 |
| JontheEchidna | The KDE icon mapping in pure Qt apps is pretty cool too | 16:27 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, that's if you have the kde style installed | 16:27 |
| JontheEchidna | and are using it as your Qt theme | 16:27 |
| JontheEchidna | so many themes | 16:27 |
| * dAskreeCh chuckles at the things people blame ubuntu for | 17:09 | |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I personally switched to qtcurve for kde... | 17:34 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I prefer oxygen, but having a nice unified theme accross all widgets is more important imho :) | 17:34 |
| JontheEchidna | I personally just use Firefox until I am sick and tired of it, then use Konq until I get sick and tired of it :P | 17:34 |
| JontheEchidna | rinse, repeat | 17:34 |
| JontheEchidna | otherwise I don't really use any GTK apps | 17:35 |
| Riddell | nixternal: do you still get random corruption on the screen? | 17:35 |
| nixternal | Riddell: not at all | 17:36 |
| Riddell | humph | 17:36 |
| cernui | BTW, are the file type associations fixed for firefox in kubuntu? | 17:36 |
| cernui | I mean, after installing Firefox, the programs associated for, let's say, pdf, were not set in my box | 17:37 |
| cernui | Not sure a clean way of implementing it on Firefox package (distro autodetection and mime association changes) | 17:37 |
| JontheEchidna | most likely one would need to make a kubufox like ubuntu has ubufox | 17:38 |
| Riddell | firefox needs to use xdg-open I think was the conclusion when we looked at that | 17:39 |
| cernui | Didn't know that one | 17:39 |
| dAskreeCh | Why don't we have a kubufox | 17:42 |
| dAskreeCh | as I recall yo ucan get Firefox to use KDE's file dialog | 17:42 |
| dAskreeCh | That alone would be worth it | 17:42 |
| JontheEchidna | The file dialog thing is an iffy hack | 17:45 |
| dAskreeCh | How iffy? | 17:47 |
| dAskreeCh | Also while we are on KDE integration what's going on with OO.o I heard they turned off KDE stuff for automated builds? | 17:47 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, the OO.o KDE4 integration crashed OO.o on startup | 17:48 |
| JontheEchidna | so they reverted back to KDE3 integration | 17:49 |
| dAskreeCh | Oh | 17:50 |
| dAskreeCh | That's what that was | 17:50 |
| dAskreeCh | I didn't know they had KDE4 integration in the works :) | 17:50 |
| cumulus007 | Ehm, could someone help me? Firefox won't start anymore. It says this: | 17:50 |
| dAskreeCh | The kde.openoffice.org site is pretty dead | 17:50 |
| JontheEchidna | which unfortunately means we probably won't be able to kick kde3 kdelibs off the CD :( | 17:50 |
| cumulus007 | Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.0.1 and 1.9.0.*. | 17:50 |
| cumulus007 | I think this has to deal with XUL, so I checked if it is installed | 17:51 |
| * dAskreeCh suggest kicking OO.o off ^_^ | 17:51 | |
| cumulus007 | It wasn't, but after installing, it still doesn't work and complains about the same error | 17:51 |
| JontheEchidna | dAskreeCh: lol | 17:51 |
| JontheEchidna | if only KOffice2 were a replacement for OOo | 17:52 |
| dAskreeCh | :-) | 17:52 |
| cumulus007 | I really need firefox, because I have a bottle of fruit juice here, and that has a code on it which I must enter on a website. I can win a trip to Spain or something :P That site doesn't work with Konqi | 17:52 |
| JontheEchidna | cumulus007: you might have more luck in #ubuntu or something, I don't think anyone in here is a real FF expert | 17:53 |
| dAskreeCh | cumulus007: Install epiphany ? | 17:53 |
| JontheEchidna | you could try using the arora browser, it's pretty good | 17:53 |
| cumulus007 | I got that | 17:53 |
| cumulus007 | will check it in arora | 17:53 |
| cumulus007 | Why does Konqueror stick on KHTML | 17:54 |
| cumulus007 | it pretty sucks | 17:54 |
| Riddell | a combination of political and technical reasons | 17:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have a patch we use at work to let firefox use xdg-open for every file format.. | 17:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: poke it in the direction of asac? | 17:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but that's a patch on sources, unlikelly to be applied... | 17:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: why not, but I'm pretty sure he'll be affraid by it ;) | 17:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but I send it to him by email... | 17:55 |
| cumulus007 | hmm, no luck with my code | 17:55 |
| dAskreeCh | cumulus007: Quite a few reasons | 17:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also the patch would also be effecive for gnome, nd that's useless, firefox can see gnome file associations via gnome-vfs... | 17:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but I'll ping him on that point | 17:57 |
| * Tonio_ has to go... seya | 17:57 | |
| cumulus007 | btw, my nepomuk crashes all the time with a segfault | 17:57 |
| cumulus007 | anyone noticing the same? | 17:57 |
| * dAskreeCh played with Nepomuk pre KDE 4.1 and hasn't had it on since | 17:58 | |
| Riddell | yes, nepomuk crash is a problem | 17:58 |
| dAskreeCh | Not so much that I don't like nepomuk I just don't like strigi | 17:58 |
| Riddell | we need to look into the new backend | 17:58 |
| dAskreeCh | The non Java one? | 17:58 |
| cumulus007 | I want to search trhough my folders, like I did on GNOME with Tracker :| | 17:59 |
| Riddell | dAskreeCh: yes | 18:00 |
| ScottK | cumulus007: Without it seizing totally control of your hard drive and totally killing system performance, I assume? | 18:00 |
| cumulus007 | uhu | 18:01 |
| JontheEchidna | Wow, there have been two upstream releases of QtCurve since we updated already... | 18:03 |
| JontheEchidna | bugfix ones too | 18:04 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 343761 | 18:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 343761 in ubuntu "problem with gtk style. GTK Style breaks on restart " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343761 | 18:05 |
| valgaav | QtCurve will not be a long term solution I hope ? | 18:06 |
| valgaav | just for jaunty ? | 18:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Until something better shows up | 18:08 |
| valgaav | qt-gtk-engine is imho better | 18:09 |
| valgaav | it just doesn't work for ff tb and OOo | 18:09 |
| valgaav | and works for all the rest of gtk+ apps I tried | 18:09 |
| JontheEchidna | it crashes gnome-appearance-settings | 18:10 |
| JontheEchidna | er, properties | 18:10 |
| valgaav | why would anyone want to use that in kde4 environment? | 18:10 |
| JontheEchidna | they wouldn't | 18:10 |
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| JontheEchidna | but those with gnome and kde would be affected | 18:11 |
| JontheEchidna | and in fact are | 18:11 |
| ScottK | qt-gtk-engine is also rather dead upstream, isn't it? | 18:11 |
| JontheEchidna | that too | 18:11 |
| valgaav | well that's just considering gnome now has Qgtkstyle ... | 18:12 |
| valgaav | .... so sad | 18:13 |
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| === gkiagia_ is now known as gkiagia | ||
| blueyed | wow, gtk2-engines-qtcurve is nice..! (and fixes all the issues I've been having with gtk-qt-engine) - hoping that users do not need to manually replace them?! (I've done so yesterday manually). Thanks! | 19:12 |
| JontheEchidna | blueyed: I'm not sure. Users of alpha 6 and earlier may have to set it manually, but from beta1 on it should be default | 19:14 |
| ryanakca | Is it reasonable to have a package depend on python-kde4-dev ? Or should it only be python-kde4, with python-kde4-dev as a B-D? | 19:15 |
| blueyed | JontheEchidna: and on upgrades? I think it could need some conflicts/replaces?! | 19:16 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 19:17 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't think it would be right to make gtk-qt-engines uninstallable if you have qtcurve | 19:18 |
| JontheEchidna | it would be nice if we could get some testing to see what does happen on an upgrade | 19:18 |
| JontheEchidna | ryanakca: It should be fine. system-config-printer-kde already depends on it | 19:19 |
| JontheEchidna | and its in the default install | 19:19 |
| ryanakca | JontheEchidna: *nod*, I'm packaging it for Debian (experimental) so that we can get it into Kubuntu during Karmic. | 19:20 |
| a|wen | fabo: hi; are you planning on doing an updated snapshot for experimental within the next few days? if not i need to start cherrypicking for example kde revision 940069 | 19:21 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=940069&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 940069 | Should fix a bug reported by Wesley Wang on kile-devel where chinese characters were being discarded as they were typed. | 19:21 |
| blueyed | JontheEchidna: I think this is essential, since usability improves _a lot_ with gtk2-engines-qtcurve. I'll check it out (upgrading in a virtualbox that is). | 19:23 |
| JontheEchidna | blueyed: It would be very much appreciated :) | 19:23 |
| blueyed | JontheEchidna: I'm testing Intrepid=>Jaunty, correct? | 19:24 |
| JontheEchidna | yea | 19:24 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: pykde system-settings modules need python-kde4-dev to run (would be nice to fix that) | 19:25 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: could you take a look at bug 343797 please? | 19:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 343797 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release of QtCurve (0.62.4)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343797 | 19:30 |
| JontheEchidna | deja vu :P | 19:30 |
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| Lure | Riddell: are you archive-admin? Can you sync one package for me? | 19:31 |
| Riddell | Lure: could do | 19:31 |
| Lure | Riddell: great - bug 309684 | 19:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 309684 in exiv2 "FFe and sync request for exiv2 0.18 from Debian Experimental" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309684 | 19:32 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Could you give me a brief overview of how I'd fix that? | 19:33 |
| Lure | ScottK: around? | 19:33 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: it's loading libpython2.5.so but it should load libpython2.5.so.1 | 19:34 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: the code for that will be hidden somewhere in pykde, you'd need to ask sime for a pointer | 19:34 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: ok, I'll take a stab at it. No garantees, but a stab is better than nothing :) | 19:34 |
| Riddell | also I think our kdebindings needs changed from python 2.5 to 2.6 | 19:35 |
| seele | are there any agenda items for the meeting tomorrow? | 19:37 |
| Riddell | "things to do before beta" | 19:37 |
| JontheEchidna | also membership consideration for Quintasan | 19:37 |
| seele | sounds like all technical stuff | 19:38 |
| astrobear | i haven't found this bug on launchpad, when i logout of kde.. i end up having to restart because it doesn't go to kdm | 19:39 |
| astrobear | it goes to this blank screen where if i type anything it goves a funny symbol like [^G] [A^], etc | 19:39 |
| JontheEchidna | got nvidia^? | 19:39 |
| astrobear | yes | 19:40 |
| astrobear | and what's with the nvidia logo when i booting up o.O | 19:40 |
| JontheEchidna | I've had that problem since kde 4.0.0 | 19:40 |
| JontheEchidna | it only seems to affect nvidia cards though | 19:40 |
| astrobear | odd | 19:40 |
| ScottK | Lure: Vaguely. | 19:40 |
| astrobear | i don't like having to ctl-alt-backspace | 19:40 |
| astrobear | my kde session isn't saved that way | 19:40 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah :( | 19:41 |
| astrobear | any plans to fix it? | 19:41 |
| astrobear | i wouldn't mind trying to fix it | 19:41 |
| Lure | ScottK: just clarification: do I need another ack for bug 343549, or is single ack from ubuntu-release enough? | 19:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 343549 in pyexiv2 "FFe for pyexiv2 0.1.3 (preconditioned with exiv2 0.18 FFe)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343549 | 19:41 |
| ScottK | For Main, one is enough. | 19:42 |
| Lure | ScottK: package is in universe | 19:42 |
| ScottK | Two then. | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | astrobear: the nvidia drivers are closed-source, so not much we can do :( | 19:42 |
| * Lure find that difference a bit strange, but ok | 19:42 | |
| Riddell | seele: you called the meeting, nothing from you? | 19:43 |
| Lure | ScottK: ok, will wait for another ack | 19:43 |
| nookie^ | hi... im testing jaunty in vmware fusion... and it doesnt start... i mean loading icons are shown but then i get a black screen.. nothing is visible.. just that an application died.. is this known bug? | 19:43 |
| seele | Riddell: i *organized* the meeting because people asked if we were going to have one | 19:43 |
| markey | heya, got a technical question: | 19:43 |
| JontheEchidna | nookie^: Yeah, and it should be fixed if you update to the latest packages | 19:43 |
| seele | i don't have anything to talk about. | 19:43 |
| markey | when trying to compile amarok (after installing all deps), one usually still misses "libstrigiqtdbusclient-dev" | 19:43 |
| ScottK | The one wasn't Riddell was it Lure? If it was, he can approve updates to KDE stuff on his own. | 19:43 |
| markey | and this is not detected by our CMake checks | 19:44 |
| nookie^ | JontheEchidna: if i could only... im trying to boot live cd | 19:44 |
| markey | which fault is it? KDE, ubuntu, amarok? | 19:44 |
| nookie^ | thats when i crash | 19:44 |
| markey | s/which/whose | 19:44 |
| Lure | ScottK: no, it was pitti | 19:44 |
| Lure | ScottK: but no problem, I can wait | 19:44 |
| ScottK | Which is odd if it's in Universe. | 19:44 |
| JontheEchidna | nookie^: press alt+f2 | 19:44 |
| Lure | ScottK: it is linked with exiv2 FFe, which is in main | 19:44 |
| astrobear | JontheEchidna: ah, good point. would #nvidia have any pull, maybe some nvidia devs are in there? | 19:44 |
| JontheEchidna | you could launch konsole form there | 19:44 |
| JontheEchidna | astrobear: dunno | 19:45 |
| Lure | ScottK: and we need both, to make sense ;-) | 19:45 |
| nookie^ | JontheEchidna: another bug aswell... i have dedicated 8gb to my vmware and the only window i get up is that im out of space.. weird! | 19:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: if you approve also bug 343549, even better ;-) | 19:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 343549 in pyexiv2 "FFe for pyexiv2 0.1.3 (preconditioned with exiv2 0.18 FFe)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343549 | 19:45 |
| Riddell | markey: I seem to remember that's because the old strigi didn't install some file that's needed | 19:46 |
| markey | Riddell: ah, so this is going to "fix itself" in jaunty, you think? | 19:46 |
| nookie^ | JontheEchidna: check here http://image.x0r.se/img/9bd56acb2dca1f46521c0cea65a93f0e2b86e97d.png | 19:46 |
| JontheEchidna | nookie^: This is with the live cd? | 19:47 |
| Riddell | markey: I think it still needs something updated in the cmake module | 19:47 |
| nookie^ | JontheEchidna: yeah downloaded it 20 mins ago | 19:47 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: we may want to disable the low space kded module on the livecd. How would we do that? | 19:47 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I did that on friday | 19:47 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, good | 19:47 |
| JontheEchidna | nookie^: ^ | 19:47 |
| nookie^ | JontheEchidna: Riddell: =) | 19:47 |
| Riddell | nookie^: what live CD is that? | 19:48 |
| nookie^ | Riddell: just a sec let me send u the link | 19:49 |
| nookie^ | its alpha 6 jaunty | 19:49 |
| nookie^ | desktop cdd | 19:49 |
| nookie^ | cd | 19:49 |
| nookie^ | Riddell: this one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso | 19:49 |
| Riddell | nookie^: ok, so today's daily-live CD should fix that, want to rsync it and check? | 19:49 |
| markey | Riddell: ok, if you have something for us that we amarok guys should fix (in cmake files), please keep us posted :) | 19:50 |
| nookie^ | Ridell sure i can i need you just to guide me but ill be back in 30 mins if it's okej,. need to go and buy some food | 19:50 |
| nookie^ | do u have maybe the link to daily-live cd which i can download? | 19:51 |
| nookie^ | it only take 10 mins to download | 19:51 |
| Riddell | nookie^: see KubuntuFiles for rsync command | 19:51 |
| Riddell | on wiki | 19:51 |
| nookie^ | Riddell: sure i will | 19:52 |
| Riddell | cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live to download | 19:52 |
| nookie^ | downloading ... | 19:53 |
| yao_ziyuan | Tm_T: last time you said update-notifier can be used in kubuntu | 20:02 |
| yao_ziyuan | Tm_T: but just now i manually "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and apt-get tells me there are some updates, but i don't see update-notifier show up a tray icon | 20:03 |
| nookie^ | Riddell: works fine but i now get another small error | 20:04 |
| nookie^ | check here | 20:04 |
| Riddell | markey: the FindStrigi cmake file seems to be written such that if strigi/streamanalyzer.h is installed it assumes all the strigi headers are installed | 20:04 |
| nookie^ | http://image.x0r.se/img/e351dfd15dc79b5526114a14e4eca06134cca1ed.png | 20:04 |
| Riddell | fabo: I wonder if we should consolidate the strigi header packages ^^ ? | 20:04 |
| nookie^ | Ridell: another thing... why should i have battery icon there since my computer is only power supplied | 20:05 |
| nookie^ | ? | 20:05 |
| Riddell | nixternal: seem that bug from nookie^ ? | 20:05 |
| Riddell | nookie^: currently it's on for everyone, I'm going to look if there's code to only add it for laptop users | 20:05 |
| nookie^ | Ridell: or to have 2 version allowed for download maybe.. 1 desktop 1 laptop | 20:06 |
| Riddell | just for one configuration option? | 20:07 |
| Riddell | seems a bit excessive :) | 20:07 |
| nookie^ | Ridell: i dont know what what's easier :P | 20:07 |
| nookie^ | hehe | 20:07 |
| nookie^ | okej... i will see if i can find any more bugs are report them | 20:09 |
| Riddell | thanks (probably not hard though) | 20:11 |
| nixternal | Riddell: interesting, it is happening to me as well | 20:13 |
| nixternal | I am on it!!! | 20:14 |
| nixternal | no need to fear, for I is here </cheasy line from Hackers> | 20:14 |
| nixternal | cheesy too, or cheesey, or cheesie | 20:14 |
| nixternal | ahhhh, I see why | 20:16 |
| nixternal | we recently changed the doc location from /usr/share/doc/kde4 to /usr/share/doc/kde didn't we? | 20:16 |
| nixternal | that will get fixed with the doc release | 20:16 |
| nixternal | nookie^: did you create a bug report for that issue? | 20:17 |
| ScottK | yao_ziyuan: If it's the Gnome update-notifier you're using it's because in Jaunty it doesn't have an icon anymore. | 20:18 |
| ScottK | Yes, this is on purpose and please don't get me started. | 20:18 |
| Lure | anbody plans to go to gran canaria? | 20:19 |
| * Lure is considering to go with the family | 20:19 | |
| nookie^ | nixternal: for which issue? | 20:20 |
| nookie^ | i hade 2? | 20:20 |
| nookie^ | had | 20:20 |
| nixternal | the help stuff | 20:20 |
| nixternal | docs, about-kubuntu | 20:20 |
| nixternal | actually, all docs are broken | 20:21 |
| nookie^ | nixternal: i haven't =( | 20:21 |
| nixternal | i can do it if needed | 20:22 |
| nookie^ | nixternal: please do so | 20:23 |
| nixternal | roger that...thanks for pointing that out btw | 20:23 |
| Riddell | Lure: hope so | 20:23 |
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| yao_ziyuan | ScottK ... | 20:25 |
| ScottK | Wait a week and it'll open a window telling you about the updates. | 20:26 |
| ScottK | From what I've seen approximately no one outside the team tasked with Ubuntu U/I design thinks this is a good idea, but .... (and I'll leave it at that - Lots of discussion on ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss if you're interested). | 20:27 |
| Lure | Riddell: great, that would mean at least you and seele | 20:30 |
| nookie^ | nixternal: no probs =) | 20:30 |
| astrobear | JontheEchidna: the logout problem is no more! :) | 20:43 |
| JontheEchidna | really? | 20:43 |
| astrobear | yup | 20:43 |
| JontheEchidna | how'd you fix it? | 20:43 |
| astrobear | download the latest driver from nvidia's website | 20:43 |
| astrobear | 96.43.11 | 20:43 |
| astrobear | the nvidia driver offered through the repos is old | 20:44 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, cool | 20:44 |
| astrobear | everything works just fine, i was getting a little side-tracked testing opengl with open arena :) | 20:44 |
| JontheEchidna | ;-) | 20:45 |
| astrobear | who needs glx gears when you have that :) | 20:45 |
| * JontheEchidna files upgrade request | 20:46 | |
| yao_ziyuan | ScottK: since adept-notifier is no longer provided in jaunty repos, | 20:47 |
| yao_ziyuan | ScottK: i just installed kpackagekit. but i removed /usr/bin/update-notifier-kde and its xdg autostart link. | 20:47 |
| yao_ziyuan | i wonder if kpackagekit depends on update-notifier-kde for showing update notifications? | 20:48 |
| yao_ziyuan | no it doesn't | 20:48 |
| yao_ziyuan | now i see kpackagekit flashing up a notification window, for only 3 seconds | 20:48 |
| * ScottK recalls some discussions about that, but not what got decided. | 20:48 | |
| ScottK | Yeah. That's a bug in KNotification. | 20:48 |
| yao_ziyuan | ScottK: how to fix? | 20:49 |
| ScottK | It's supposed to be a persistent notification. | 20:49 |
| yao_ziyuan | ... | 20:49 |
| ScottK | Dunno. | 20:49 |
| yao_ziyuan | kpackagekit, like adept, doesn't check a downloaded package's signature or warn about unsigned packages | 20:50 |
| yao_ziyuan | so i always use apt-get or update-manager to perform updates | 20:50 |
| yao_ziyuan | but i'm in kubuntu and i want a notification mechanism | 20:50 |
| yao_ziyuan | maybe i will be able to hack kpackagekit's notification and let it open update-manager instead of kpackagekit | 20:51 |
| yao_ziyuan | or, use update-notifier when it's good | 20:52 |
| Riddell | I'll switch it back to update-notifier-kde tomorrow | 20:55 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Excellent. | 20:55 |
| ScottK | yao_ziyuan: ^^^ There you go. | 20:55 |
| yao_ziyuan | update-notifier-kde doesn't help either | 20:58 |
| yao_ziyuan | well... | 20:58 |
| yao_ziyuan | if i run: update-notifier-kde -c | 20:58 |
| yao_ziyuan | it does check if there are updates | 20:58 |
| yao_ziyuan | but without -c it doesn't | 20:58 |
| yao_ziyuan | all right. i installed it. | 20:59 |
| Lure | ScottK: even "average mom" has problem with new notifier: http://amber.redvoodoo.org/2009/03/ubuntu-chronicles-saga-of-amber-and_16.html | 21:01 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 21:01 |
| yao_ziyuan | now i modified update-notifier-kde to use "update-manager" if i click the tray icon | 21:04 |
| yao_ziyuan | the only problem is | 21:04 |
| yao_ziyuan | if i merely run "update-notifier-kde" without any arguments, it doesn't seem to sense potential updates | 21:04 |
| Riddell | translations seem pleasingly complete | 21:05 |
| yao_ziyuan | if i run update-notifier-kde -c, it recognizes there are updates, but i don't know if it continue to watch future updates | 21:05 |
| ryanakca | nixternal, Riddell: Would you two be available for a meeting sometime between 13:00UTC and 15:00UTC tomorrow to try to sort out help.kubuntu.org? | 21:10 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: could do, what needs sorted? | 21:10 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: *shrugs*, ask nixternal. I asked him a week or two ago about the status of help.k.o so that I could get to theming it, and I was told that we needed to have a meeting about it when you returned from (Nigeria?). | 21:12 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: yes | 21:12 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: I would like to get the docs sorted first and then work on implementing the h.k.o stuff | 21:12 |
| nixternal | once the docs are good, then h.k.o will just fall into place, leaving you with nothing more than some css loving :) | 21:13 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: OK... and how many weeks, (it'll probably take quite a bit of prodding the sysadmins) before release will h.k.o fall into place? And, do we still need a meeting then? | 21:14 |
| nixternal | well i have until the 26th to complete strings, and then the package goes through translations | 21:15 |
| yao_ziyuan | i reviewed update-notifier-kde's code | 21:18 |
| yao_ziyuan | and found it doesn't check for new updates by default, | 21:18 |
| yao_ziyuan | because that job is supposed to be done by kpackagekit now. | 21:18 |
| yao_ziyuan | so i must use the -c argument. | 21:18 |
| Gon | I have an issue in kmail D: | 22:47 |
| Gon | I'm using gmail with imap-offline, when I empty the trash from my account, kmail crash :s | 22:49 |
| seele | mmm.. bop | 22:51 |
| seele | ScottK: was there ever a resolution about notify-osd and kubuntu and how the packages conflict? | 22:52 |
| Riddell | ~twitter update mutt just had a glibc exception and deleted my inbox | 22:57 |
| kubotu | status updated | 22:57 |
| Riddell | I should change to something reliable like kmail | 22:57 |
| * seele coughs | 22:58 | |
| seele | kmail huh? | 22:58 |
| * seele has lost many an email thanks to kmail | 22:59 | |
| nixternal | oh where or where could out jjesse be? the work took him away from me | 23:03 |
| nixternal | s/out/our/ | 23:03 |
| seele | nixternal: in the original, strangely upbeat way, or the modernly interpreted sober way? | 23:04 |
| nixternal | i like the pearl jam way, so i am guessing that would be the modernly interpreted way? | 23:04 |
| nixternal | but i had to change the lyric, cuz in that song the lord took his baby away | 23:05 |
| seele | yeah, the perl jam version is very somber compared to the original | 23:05 |
| seele | i've no idea why the original is so fast and upbeat | 23:05 |
| nixternal | ya me either...my mom even likes the pearl jam one better, and that is like one of her favorite songs | 23:05 |
| nixternal | that is like the saddest damn song ever | 23:07 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: don't, lost mails with kmail, and it still crashes on me | 23:14 |
| nixternal | Riddell: welcome to the "Mutt broke and my inbox was removed" family :( | 23:17 |
| nixternal | though I lucked out because I used offlineimap to keep my mailboxes in sync...I am using KMail now | 23:18 |
| nixternal | disconnected imap with gmail, works like a champ for me | 23:18 |
| ScottK | seele: pitti said he'd do some .desktop magic to make notify-osd only start if you're in Gnome. That should cover us for Jaunty. | 23:24 |
| seele | ScottK: cool beans | 23:25 |
| torkiano | hello all, any kubuntu developer can take a look to bug 292098 ? | 23:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 292098 in kubuntu-default-settings "okular can't presentation fullscreen" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292098 | 23:56 |
| torkiano | upstream said that It's a downstream problem... | 23:57 |
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