[01:22] <burba> can i join the testing team
[01:30] <nhandler> burba_: It is an open team on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-testers
[01:37] <nhandler> burba: You will also want to read https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters
[01:39] <burba> ok thank you
[01:51] <burba> how to i join the testing team
[01:54] <nhandler> burba: It is an open team on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-testers
[01:54] <jjesse> to upgrade from one release to another is it upgrade-manager -d?
[01:54] <nhandler> jjesse: What release are you trying to upgrade to and from?
[01:54] <jjesse> 8.10 to 9.04
[01:55] <jjesse> that's the supported way correct?
[01:55] <nhandler> Yeah, update-manager -d should work
[01:56] <nhandler> You might need the -c flag too
[01:57] <jjesse> ah now the upgrade would work, but once 9.04 is released, will it just be update-manager -d
[01:57] <jjesse> correct?
[01:57] <nhandler> I don't think -d is needed once it is released. -d = upgrade to the devel release
[01:58] <jjesse> ah
[02:00] <nhandler> jjesse: The wiki for intrepid was telling people to do 'sudo do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to Intrepid after it was released
[02:00] <jjesse> nhandler: awesomethat's what i need
[02:01] <jjesse> ah and to do a developmental upgrade its sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[02:02] <jjesse> and when you do the sudo do-release-upgrade -d it will change your sources.list to jaunty :)
[02:04] <nhandler> Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever upgraded using the supported methods. I've usually upgraded pre-alpha
[02:09] <burba> #kubuntu-team
[02:34] <nixternal> maco: thanks for the quick reply :)
[02:35]  * dtchen spots another core
[02:35] <maco> no problem
[02:35] <maco> core? oh you want an uploader
[02:35] <dtchen> so nixternal...mind uploading a debdiff for me?
[02:35] <dtchen> (bug 343254)
[02:35] <nixternal> is this some of your crack? and where the hell are your upload rights?
[02:36] <maco> they expired a year ago
[02:41] <nixternal> dtchen: building now
[02:47] <dtchen> nixternal: ok. the only diff between that version and the one already built in my ppa (0.9.14-0ubuntu12~crimsun1) is in debian/changelog.
[02:52] <nixternal> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131799/
[02:53] <nixternal> don't know if that is a booged hook, or those are purposely missing
[02:54] <dtchen> from which package?
[02:54] <nixternal> damn script
[02:57] <dtchen> yeah, the output there is not helpful
[02:57] <dtchen> e.g., pulseaudio ships those gzipped
[02:57] <dtchen> and libpulsecore9 ships the actual library
[03:09] <nixternal> dtchen: you are right, that package is good to go...i shall upload it now for you
[03:09] <dtchen> nixternal: thanks
[03:10] <nixternal> Successfully uploaded packages
[03:10] <nixternal> done
[08:40] <a|wen> ryanakca: i saw the failures... they are fixed in an extra upload of the affected packages
[09:01] <a|wen> shouldn't we get libopensync-plugin-kdepim removed. as far as i can see, it is for kde3 version of kdepim; and we can not upgrade to a new version as we need to match the version of opensync in the archive
[09:07] <Tm_T> a|wen: it have to be removed
[09:07] <Tm_T> opensync is not supported in kdepim atm
[09:08] <a|wen> Tm_T: thought so
[09:08] <Tm_T> at all, it might work, but that would be like winning in lottery
[09:10] <a|wen> Tm_T: currently uninstallable
[09:11] <Tm_T> I wonder why
[09:12] <Tm_T> a|wen: kdepim is depending on it?
[09:12] <a|wen> Tm_T: i hope not...
[09:13] <Tm_T> hmm, so why it is uninstallable?
[09:14] <a|wen> Tm_T: depends on libkcal2b (>= 4:3.5.7) which does not exist
[09:14] <Tm_T> ...
[09:14] <Tm_T> madness
[09:15] <a|wen> jup
[09:17] <a|wen> no it has no reverse depends though; which is a good thing
[09:22] <Tm_T> a|wen: so it just needs to be nuked
[09:23] <a|wen> Tm_T: i think so ... i'll just try to do a rebuild and see if that produces anything usable; if not i'm filing a "nuke request!
[09:23] <a|wen> quickly granted ... rebuild not possible
[09:24] <Tm_T> aye
[09:24] <Tm_T> Akonadi folks are trying to make it to do the job, so kdepim doesn't need to know about those itself
[09:25] <a|wen> uh oh, cool ... i want that :)
[09:25] <Tm_T> there should be some alpha-state google support already
[09:26] <Tm_T> haven't tested it yet though
[09:27] <a|wen> okay... hopefully something to come for 4.4 if we are lucky...
[09:28] <Tm_T> 4.3 possibly
[09:29] <a|wen> let's hope
[09:31] <Tm_T> gah, so much things I would like to help but I cannot because of time and especially money ):
[09:33] <a|wen> Tm_T: bug 343578 ... do you think it looks fine?
[09:34] <Tm_T> fine by me
[09:36] <a|wen> should we remove it from intrepid as well ... or is that more hassle than necessary?
[09:44]  * Lure likes qtcurve
[09:52] <Tm_T> a|wen: should be removed from everywhere it doesn't work IMO
[09:56] <a|wen> done! ... and ubuntu-archive is subscribed
[10:01] <yao_ziyuan> can i run update-notifier (not update-notifier-kde) at kde startup for update notification?
[10:01] <Tm_T> sure
[10:02] <Tm_T> just make it run, needs some tweaking in .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autorun/ dir
[10:03] <yao_ziyuan> i just added it in System Settings > Autostart
[10:03] <Tm_T> yao_ziyuan: .desktop file?
[10:03] <Tm_T> bah
[10:10] <raphink> jjesse: thanks
[11:56] <jussi01> unbelievable...
[11:56]  * jussi01 wonders who the ssh maintainer is so he can get grumpy...
[12:01] <Riddell> debian I expect
[12:04] <jussi01> Riddell: can you explain why you might expect this to change from commas to spaces? AllowGroups
[12:04] <jussi01>              This keyword can be followed by a list of group name patterns,
[12:04] <jussi01>              separated by spaces.
[12:04] <jussi01> in ssh?
[12:04]  * jussi01 had to go get physical access to the server after an ssh update killed it...
[12:10] <Riddell> I've no idea
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do you think you have time to sponsor the gtk2-engines-qtcurve portion of bug 342473?
[12:25] <Riddell> can do
[12:26] <JontheEchidna> thx
[12:30] <JontheEchidna> I must say 1 hours is the shortest time I've had to wait until promotion for an MIR
[12:30] <JontheEchidna> I guess it shows just how badly gtk-qt-engine was hated :D
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I accidentally the whole kdmgreet scaling
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> better mark it off your notes plasmoid :P
[12:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: Tonio_ says "I just uploded everything required."
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: He might have commented on the wrong bug
[12:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: but he didn't upload gtk2-engines-qtcurve?
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> If he did it must be taking forever to publish
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think he might have been wanting to comment on the MIR/default setting/desktop seed bug
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> he did upload all of that
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> And I don't see 0.62.2 published
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> or pending
[12:58] <ryanakca> a|wen: splendid :)
[13:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: where's the .orig for that?
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, oops
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: attached
[13:08] <jussi01> hrm, wasnt today the day they were supposed to come back to us to say if we get sponsorship to uds?
[13:09] <ScottK> Riddell: There were some bits of it stuck in New, but I was a bit confused by it and what the overrides should be so I didn't touch it.
[13:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^
[13:10] <Riddell> ScottK: bits of which?>
[13:11] <ScottK> One of the qtcurve packages.
[13:11] <Riddell> don't see any now
[13:11] <ScottK> OK.
[13:12] <ScottK> yep.  gone now.
[13:17] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: what's the problem with gtk2-engines-qtcurve ?
[13:17] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I saw that your upload is lost somewhere....
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, the 0.60.2 update never made it, it seems
[13:17] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: launchpad says it's built, but it doesn't appear in the archives
[13:18] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum, I have 0.60.2 here
[13:18] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: was I supposed to upload something else ? :)
[13:19] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.com/m6aa9898f
[13:19] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: just wondering where is your last upload....
[13:19] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: oh no right I have 0.60.0
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> Well I never actually asked you to sponsor the 0.60.2 bugfix release so I guess you weren't *supposed* to
[13:22] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: well afaik, it was uploaded, and built.... there is a problem with the archives on that point...
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> weird
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell re-upped, so hopefully everything will be good now
[13:45] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum I just looked again... I probably made the confusion between kde-style-qtcurve (which was indeed uploaded) and gtk2-engines-qtcurve...
[13:45] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I slept 5 hours for the all last 4 nights.... that explains :'(
[13:45] <freeflying> Tonio_: your redraw issue with qt-4.5 fixed?
[13:46] <Tonio_> freeflying: still happens a bit, but not that much...
[13:46] <freeflying> Tonio_: it always happen here, and cause a some other issues too, confirmed with other distro's user
[13:47] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but when I said "uploaded everything", I was talking about the 3 packages I mentionned, not the gtk2-engines-qtcurve itself... sorry for the confusion...
[13:47] <ScottK> Do we want the patch in Debian Bug 448555?
[13:48] <freeflying> do u think qt-4.5 is too bleeding edge?
[13:49] <ScottK> We've already jumped to 4.5, so it's water under the bridge at this point.
[13:49]  * ScottK hopes that translates.
[13:50] <freeflying> ScottK: you don't have the redraw issue?
[13:50]  * ScottK isn't on Jaunty, so no.
[13:55] <Lure> Riddell, ScottK: remind me: if only rebuild is needed, can buildd admin just give-back, or is no-change upload required?
[13:57] <ScottK> Lure: Did it fail to build?
[13:58] <Lure> ScottK: no, rebuild due to transition to exiv2 0.18
[13:58] <ScottK> That needs an upload then.
[13:58] <Lure> ScottK: ok, thanks for confirming
[13:59] <Lure> ScottK: and "build1" version tags are still used for packages that do not have ubuntu specific change, right?
[14:01] <Lure> freeflying: redraw issue: on intel card?
[14:01] <freeflying> Lure: yes
[14:01] <Lure> freeflying: I have this also on x200s - see bug 279727
[14:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you have any hints on how to set arch specific build flags with cmake?  kde-style-skulpture could use the same fix cjwatson did to qt4-x11, but I've no idea how to apply it.
[14:09] <Riddell> ScottK: I think you'd have to set it in debian/rules
[14:10] <ScottK> OK.
[14:10] <Riddell> if DEB_ARCH is hppa  CMAKE_ARGS += -DCFLAGS=foo
[14:10] <Riddell> obviously that's psudo code
[14:11] <ScottK> If anyone has time to look into it, that'd be great as it'll be a day or two probably before I can get to it.
[14:59] <seele> maco: i didn't understand the change of the dc loco from the nu loco.. are all the central eastern locos being removed from northeast?
[15:00] <maco> seele: the northeast one is dead
[15:00] <maco> this gets dc loco to stop having "dead ubuntu community" listed on its front page
[15:00] <seele> i didn't realise northeast was a real loco, just a group of locos
[15:00] <maco> cuz well...far as i can tell..dc loco is at least somewhat still alive
[15:01] <seele> yeah it is.. they still maintain the ubuntu lab and i think kevin still does some things
[15:01] <maco> at one point we were organizing locos by regions in the US, but that was abandoned
[15:01] <maco> i realized im still an admin on NU so i figured id get us off the dead list
[15:33] <ia> hello. i decided to test latest dev version of kubuntu in live cd mode - i've downloaded iso image, correctly wrote it to usb flash, insert flash in pc and booted; after init window plays music and screen goes black, but mouse cursor is still visible an movable, but nothing happens - screen just black and glow. so, if anybody clashed with this already, i will be very appreciate for any clues.
[15:34] <nixternal> ia: did you use a beta release or one of the daily releases?
[15:35] <nixternal> i just did a beta install from usb this weekend and it was fine
[15:35] <ia> nixternal: it's a alpha-6
[15:35] <nixternal> hrmm, it worked fine here...what video card are you using on that system?
[15:37] <ia> it's i945 intel chipset.
[15:38] <ia> nixternal: btw, tty-s working and switching fine
[15:38] <nixternal> hrmm, I will have to give my laptop a go and see if it is having issues...I did have issues with the older intel chipsets after my last install which was about a month ago
[15:38] <nixternal> what about restarting x? have you given that a shot yet?
[15:39] <nixternal> take a look at the ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if there are any errors
[16:01] <Riddell> ia: check in /var/crash did plasma crash?
[16:03] <ia> nixternal: well, i don't think that problem in chipset or in video subsystem - screen however looks like works fine - it's just doesn't show desktop :-)
[16:03] <ia> Riddell: wait a few minutes :-)
[16:07] <ia> Riddell: yep, there is two crash-files - plasma and nepomukservicestub.
[16:09] <Riddell> ia: I think plasma will start if you  rm /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[16:09] <Riddell> you can use  alt-F2  konsole  to get a terminal in the X session
[16:09] <Riddell> then you can start  plasma
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> Updating to the latest packages should also fix it
[16:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh?  what changes?
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> There's a patch for the startup crash
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.2.1a-0ubuntu6
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> which I need to backport to kubuntu-experimental
[16:13] <Riddell> ia: so try again with today's daily-live CD
[16:14] <ia> Riddell: i've removed (backed up, actually) plasma-appletsrc and restart X-server - now desktop works :-) thanks. but AFAIU, now I have no working plasma, right?
[16:14] <Riddell> if your desktop works then you have a working plasma
[16:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: your gtk-qtcurve looks nothing like mine
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: rly?
[16:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if I rm .config/qtcurve* it reverts to your screenshot style
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> ah. I seem to remember that the author did change the defaults for the 0.62.x releases
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> so maybe you had older defaults?
[16:23] <dAskreeCh> cute
[16:23] <dAskreeCh> Kubuntu is a beating stick
[16:23] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I guess so
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> The KDE icon mapping in pure Qt apps is pretty cool too
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's if you have the kde style installed
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> and are using it as your Qt theme
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> so many themes
[17:09]  * dAskreeCh chuckles at the things people blame ubuntu for
[17:34] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I personally switched to qtcurve for kde...
[17:34] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I prefer oxygen, but having a nice unified theme accross all widgets is more important imho :)
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> I personally just use Firefox until I am sick and tired of it, then use Konq until I get sick and tired of it :P
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> rinse, repeat
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> otherwise I don't really use any GTK apps
[17:35] <Riddell> nixternal: do you still get random corruption on the screen?
[17:36] <nixternal> Riddell: not at all
[17:36] <Riddell> humph
[17:36] <cernui> BTW, are the file type associations fixed for firefox in kubuntu?
[17:37] <cernui> I mean, after installing Firefox, the programs associated for, let's say, pdf, were not set in my box
[17:37] <cernui> Not sure a clean way of implementing it on Firefox package (distro autodetection and mime association changes)
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> most likely one would need to make a kubufox like ubuntu has ubufox
[17:39] <Riddell> firefox needs to use xdg-open I think was the conclusion when we looked at that
[17:39] <cernui> Didn't know that one
[17:42] <dAskreeCh> Why don't we have a kubufox
[17:42] <dAskreeCh>  as I recall yo ucan get Firefox to use KDE's file dialog
[17:42] <dAskreeCh> That alone would be worth it
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> The file dialog thing is an iffy hack
[17:47] <dAskreeCh> How iffy?
[17:47] <dAskreeCh> Also while we are on KDE integration what's going on with OO.o I heard they turned off KDE stuff for automated builds?
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, the OO.o KDE4 integration crashed OO.o on startup
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> so they reverted back to KDE3 integration
[17:50] <dAskreeCh> Oh
[17:50] <dAskreeCh> That's what that was
[17:50] <dAskreeCh> I didn't know they had KDE4 integration in the works :)
[17:50] <cumulus007> Ehm, could someone help me? Firefox won't start anymore. It says this:
[17:50] <dAskreeCh>  The kde.openoffice.org site is pretty dead
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> which unfortunately means we probably won't be able to kick kde3 kdelibs off the CD :(
[17:50] <cumulus007> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.0.1 and 1.9.0.*.
[17:51] <cumulus007> I think this has to deal with XUL, so I checked if it is installed
[17:51]  * dAskreeCh suggest kicking OO.o off ^_^
[17:51] <cumulus007> It wasn't, but after installing, it still doesn't work and complains about the same error
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> dAskreeCh: lol
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> if only KOffice2 were a replacement for OOo
[17:52] <dAskreeCh> :-)
[17:52] <cumulus007> I really need firefox, because I have a bottle of fruit juice here, and that has a code on it which I must enter on a website. I can win a trip to Spain or something :P That site doesn't work with Konqi
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> cumulus007: you might have more luck in #ubuntu or something, I don't think anyone in here is a real FF expert
[17:53] <dAskreeCh> cumulus007: Install epiphany ?
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> you could try using the arora browser, it's pretty good
[17:53] <cumulus007> I got that
[17:53] <cumulus007> will check it in arora
[17:54] <cumulus007> Why does Konqueror stick on KHTML
[17:54] <cumulus007> it pretty sucks
[17:54] <Riddell> a combination of political and technical reasons
[17:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a patch we use at work to let firefox use xdg-open for every file format..
[17:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: poke it in the direction of asac?
[17:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's a patch on sources, unlikelly to be applied...
[17:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: why not, but I'm pretty sure he'll be affraid by it ;)
[17:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I send it to him by email...
[17:55] <cumulus007> hmm, no luck with my code
[17:55] <dAskreeCh> cumulus007: Quite a few reasons
[17:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: also the patch would also be effecive for gnome, nd that's useless, firefox can see gnome file associations via gnome-vfs...
[17:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I'll ping him on that point
[17:57]  * Tonio_ has to go... seya
[17:57] <cumulus007> btw, my nepomuk crashes all the time with a segfault
[17:57] <cumulus007> anyone noticing the same?
[17:58]  * dAskreeCh played with Nepomuk pre KDE 4.1 and hasn't had it on since
[17:58] <Riddell> yes, nepomuk crash is a problem
[17:58] <dAskreeCh> Not so much that I don't like nepomuk I just don't like strigi
[17:58] <Riddell> we need to look into the new backend
[17:58] <dAskreeCh> The non Java one?
[17:59] <cumulus007> I want to search trhough my folders, like I did on GNOME with Tracker :|
[18:00] <Riddell> dAskreeCh: yes
[18:00] <ScottK> cumulus007: Without it seizing totally control of your hard drive and totally killing system performance, I assume?
[18:01] <cumulus007> uhu
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> Wow, there have been two upstream releases of QtCurve since we updated already...
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> bugfix ones too
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> bug 343761
[18:06] <valgaav> QtCurve will not be a long term solution I hope ?
[18:07] <valgaav> just for jaunty ?
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> Until something better shows up
[18:09] <valgaav> qt-gtk-engine is imho better
[18:09] <valgaav> it just doesn't work for ff tb and OOo
[18:09] <valgaav> and works for all the rest of gtk+ apps I tried
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> it crashes gnome-appearance-settings
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> er, properties
[18:10] <valgaav> why would anyone want to use that in kde4 environment?
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> they wouldn't
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> but those with gnome and kde would be affected
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> and in fact are
[18:11] <ScottK> qt-gtk-engine is also rather dead upstream, isn't it?
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> that too
[18:12] <valgaav> well that's just considering gnome now has Qgtkstyle ...
[18:13] <valgaav> .... so sad
[19:12] <blueyed> wow, gtk2-engines-qtcurve is nice..! (and fixes all the issues I've been having with gtk-qt-engine) - hoping that users do not need to manually replace them?! (I've done so yesterday manually). Thanks!
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> blueyed: I'm not sure. Users of alpha 6 and earlier may have to set it manually, but from beta1 on it should be default
[19:15] <ryanakca> Is it reasonable to have a package depend on python-kde4-dev ? Or should it only be python-kde4, with python-kde4-dev as a B-D?
[19:16] <blueyed> JontheEchidna: and on upgrades? I think it could need some conflicts/replaces?!
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it would be right to make gtk-qt-engines uninstallable if you have qtcurve
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> it would be nice if we could get some testing to see what does happen on an upgrade
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: It should be fine. system-config-printer-kde already depends on it
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> and its in the default install
[19:20] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: *nod*, I'm packaging it for Debian (experimental) so that we can get it into Kubuntu during Karmic.
[19:21] <a|wen> fabo: hi; are you planning on doing an updated snapshot for experimental within the next few days? if not i need to start cherrypicking for example kde revision 940069
[19:23] <blueyed> JontheEchidna: I think this is essential, since usability improves _a lot_ with gtk2-engines-qtcurve. I'll check it out (upgrading in a virtualbox that is).
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> blueyed: It would be very much appreciated :)
[19:24] <blueyed> JontheEchidna: I'm testing Intrepid=>Jaunty, correct?
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> yea
[19:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: pykde system-settings modules need python-kde4-dev to run (would be nice to fix that)
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you take a look at bug 343797 please?
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> deja vu :P
[19:31] <Lure> Riddell: are you archive-admin? Can you sync one package for me?
[19:31] <Riddell> Lure: could do
[19:32] <Lure> Riddell: great - bug 309684
[19:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: Could you give me a brief overview of how I'd fix that?
[19:33] <Lure> ScottK: around?
[19:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: it's loading libpython2.5.so but it should load libpython2.5.so.1
[19:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: the code for that will be hidden somewhere in pykde, you'd need to ask sime for a pointer
[19:34] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, I'll take a stab at it. No garantees, but a stab is better than nothing :)
[19:35] <Riddell> also I think our kdebindings needs changed from python 2.5 to 2.6
[19:37] <seele> are there any agenda items for the meeting tomorrow?
[19:37] <Riddell> "things to do before beta"
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> also membership consideration for Quintasan
[19:38] <seele> sounds like all technical stuff
[19:39] <astrobear> i haven't found this bug on launchpad, when i logout of kde.. i end up having to restart because it doesn't go to kdm
[19:39] <astrobear> it goes to this blank screen where if i type anything it goves a funny symbol like [^G] [A^], etc
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> got nvidia^?
[19:40] <astrobear> yes
[19:40] <astrobear> and what's with the nvidia logo when i booting up o.O
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> I've had that problem since kde 4.0.0
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> it only seems to affect nvidia cards though
[19:40] <astrobear> odd
[19:40] <ScottK> Lure: Vaguely.
[19:40] <astrobear> i don't like having to ctl-alt-backspace
[19:40] <astrobear> my kde session isn't saved that way
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah :(
[19:41] <astrobear> any plans to fix it?
[19:41] <astrobear> i wouldn't mind trying to fix it
[19:41] <Lure> ScottK: just clarification: do I need another ack for bug 343549, or is single ack from ubuntu-release enough?
[19:42] <ScottK> For Main, one is enough.
[19:42] <Lure> ScottK: package is in universe
[19:42] <ScottK> Two then.
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> astrobear: the nvidia drivers are closed-source, so not much we can do :(
[19:42]  * Lure find that difference a bit strange, but ok
[19:43] <Riddell> seele: you called the meeting, nothing from you?
[19:43] <Lure> ScottK: ok, will wait for another ack
[19:43] <nookie^> hi... im testing jaunty in vmware fusion... and it doesnt start... i mean loading icons are shown but then i get a black screen.. nothing is visible.. just that an application died.. is this known bug?
[19:43] <seele> Riddell: i *organized* the meeting because people asked if we were going to have one
[19:43] <markey> heya, got a technical question:
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> nookie^: Yeah, and it should be fixed if you update to the latest packages
[19:43] <seele> i don't have anything to talk about.
[19:43] <markey> when trying to compile amarok (after installing all deps), one usually still misses "libstrigiqtdbusclient-dev"
[19:43] <ScottK> The one wasn't Riddell was it Lure?  If it was, he can approve updates to KDE stuff on his own.
[19:44] <markey> and this is not detected by our CMake checks
[19:44] <nookie^> JontheEchidna: if i could only... im trying to boot live cd
[19:44] <markey> which fault is it? KDE, ubuntu, amarok?
[19:44] <nookie^> thats when i crash
[19:44] <markey> s/which/whose
[19:44] <Lure> ScottK: no, it was pitti
[19:44] <Lure> ScottK: but no problem, I can wait
[19:44] <ScottK> Which is odd if it's in Universe.
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> nookie^: press alt+f2
[19:44] <Lure> ScottK: it is linked with exiv2 FFe, which is in main
[19:44] <astrobear> JontheEchidna: ah, good point. would #nvidia have any pull, maybe some nvidia devs are in there?
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> you could launch konsole form there
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> astrobear: dunno
[19:45] <Lure> ScottK: and we need both, to make sense ;-)
[19:45] <nookie^> JontheEchidna: another bug aswell... i have dedicated 8gb to my vmware and the only window i get up is that im out of space.. weird!
[19:45] <Lure> Riddell: if you approve also bug 343549, even better ;-)
[19:46] <Riddell> markey: I seem to remember that's because the old strigi didn't install some file that's needed
[19:46] <markey> Riddell: ah, so this is going to "fix itself" in jaunty, you think?
[19:46] <nookie^> JontheEchidna: check here http://image.x0r.se/img/9bd56acb2dca1f46521c0cea65a93f0e2b86e97d.png
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> nookie^: This is with the live cd?
[19:47] <Riddell> markey: I think it still needs something updated in the cmake module
[19:47] <nookie^> JontheEchidna: yeah downloaded it 20 mins ago
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: we may want to disable the low space kded module on the livecd. How would we do that?
[19:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I did that on friday
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, good
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> nookie^: ^
[19:47] <nookie^> JontheEchidna: Riddell: =)
[19:48] <Riddell> nookie^: what live CD is that?
[19:49] <nookie^> Riddell: just a sec let me send u the link
[19:49] <nookie^> its alpha 6 jaunty
[19:49] <nookie^> desktop cdd
[19:49] <nookie^> cd
[19:49] <nookie^> Riddell: this one  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso
[19:49] <Riddell> nookie^: ok, so today's daily-live CD should fix that, want to rsync it and check?
[19:50] <markey> Riddell: ok, if you have something for us that we amarok guys should fix (in cmake files), please keep us posted :)
[19:50] <nookie^> Ridell sure i can i need you just to guide me but ill be back in 30 mins if it's okej,. need to go and buy some food
[19:51] <nookie^> do u have maybe the link to daily-live cd which i can download?
[19:51] <nookie^> it only take 10 mins to download
[19:51] <Riddell> nookie^: see KubuntuFiles for rsync command
[19:51] <Riddell> on wiki
[19:52] <nookie^> Riddell: sure i will
[19:52] <Riddell> cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live  to download
[19:53] <nookie^> downloading ...
[20:02] <yao_ziyuan> Tm_T: last time you said update-notifier can be used in kubuntu
[20:03] <yao_ziyuan> Tm_T: but just now i manually "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and apt-get tells me there are some updates, but i don't see update-notifier show up a tray icon
[20:04] <nookie^> Riddell: works fine but i now get another small error
[20:04] <nookie^> check here
[20:04] <Riddell> markey: the FindStrigi cmake file seems to be written such that if strigi/streamanalyzer.h is installed it assumes all the strigi headers are installed
[20:04] <nookie^> http://image.x0r.se/img/e351dfd15dc79b5526114a14e4eca06134cca1ed.png
[20:04] <Riddell> fabo: I wonder if we should consolidate the strigi header packages ^^ ?
[20:05] <nookie^> Ridell: another thing... why should i have battery icon there since my computer is only power supplied
[20:05] <nookie^> ?
[20:05] <Riddell> nixternal: seem that bug from nookie^ ?
[20:05] <Riddell> nookie^: currently it's on for everyone, I'm going  to look if there's code to only add it for laptop users
[20:06] <nookie^> Ridell: or to have 2 version allowed for download maybe.. 1 desktop 1 laptop
[20:07] <Riddell> just for one configuration option?
[20:07] <Riddell> seems a bit excessive :)
[20:07] <nookie^> Ridell: i dont know what what's easier :P
[20:07] <nookie^> hehe
[20:09] <nookie^> okej... i will see if i can find any more bugs are report them
[20:11] <Riddell> thanks (probably not hard though)
[20:13] <nixternal> Riddell: interesting, it is happening to me as well
[20:14] <nixternal> I am on it!!!
[20:14] <nixternal> no need to fear, for I is here </cheasy line from Hackers>
[20:14] <nixternal> cheesy too, or cheesey, or cheesie
[20:16] <nixternal> ahhhh, I see why
[20:16] <nixternal> we recently changed the doc location from /usr/share/doc/kde4 to /usr/share/doc/kde didn't we?
[20:16] <nixternal> that will get fixed with the doc release
[20:17] <nixternal> nookie^: did you create a bug report for that issue?
[20:18] <ScottK> yao_ziyuan: If it's the Gnome update-notifier you're using it's because in Jaunty it doesn't have an icon anymore.
[20:18] <ScottK> Yes, this is on purpose and please don't get me started.
[20:19] <Lure> anbody plans to go to gran canaria?
[20:19]  * Lure is considering to go with the family
[20:20] <nookie^> nixternal: for which issue?
[20:20] <nookie^> i hade 2?
[20:20] <nookie^> had
[20:20] <nixternal> the help stuff
[20:20] <nixternal> docs, about-kubuntu
[20:21] <nixternal> actually, all docs are broken
[20:21] <nookie^> nixternal: i haven't =(
[20:22] <nixternal> i can do it if needed
[20:23] <nookie^> nixternal: please do so
[20:23] <nixternal> roger that...thanks for pointing that out btw
[20:23] <Riddell> Lure: hope so
[20:25] <yao_ziyuan> ScottK ...
[20:26] <ScottK> Wait a week and it'll open a window telling you about the updates.
[20:27] <ScottK> From what I've seen approximately no one outside the team tasked with Ubuntu U/I design thinks this is a good idea, but .... (and I'll leave it at that - Lots of discussion on ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss if you're interested).
[20:30] <Lure> Riddell: great, that would mean at least you and seele
[20:30] <nookie^> nixternal: no probs =)
[20:43] <astrobear> JontheEchidna: the logout problem is no more! :)
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> really?
[20:43] <astrobear> yup
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> how'd you fix it?
[20:43] <astrobear> download the latest driver from nvidia's website
[20:43] <astrobear> 96.43.11
[20:44] <astrobear> the nvidia driver offered through the repos is old
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, cool
[20:44] <astrobear> everything works just fine, i was getting a little side-tracked testing opengl with open arena :)
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[20:45] <astrobear> who needs glx gears when you have that :)
[20:46]  * JontheEchidna files upgrade request
[20:47] <yao_ziyuan> ScottK: since adept-notifier is no longer provided in jaunty repos,
[20:47] <yao_ziyuan> ScottK: i just installed kpackagekit. but i removed /usr/bin/update-notifier-kde and its xdg autostart link.
[20:48] <yao_ziyuan> i wonder if kpackagekit depends on update-notifier-kde for showing update notifications?
[20:48] <yao_ziyuan> no it doesn't
[20:48] <yao_ziyuan> now i see kpackagekit flashing up a notification window, for only 3 seconds
[20:48]  * ScottK recalls some discussions about that, but not what got decided.
[20:48] <ScottK> Yeah.  That's a bug in KNotification.
[20:49] <yao_ziyuan> ScottK: how to fix?
[20:49] <ScottK> It's supposed to be a persistent notification.
[20:49] <yao_ziyuan> ...
[20:49] <ScottK> Dunno.
[20:50] <yao_ziyuan> kpackagekit, like adept, doesn't check a downloaded package's signature or warn about unsigned packages
[20:50] <yao_ziyuan> so i always use apt-get or update-manager to perform updates
[20:50] <yao_ziyuan> but i'm in kubuntu and i want a notification mechanism
[20:51] <yao_ziyuan> maybe i will be able to hack kpackagekit's notification and let it open update-manager instead of kpackagekit
[20:52] <yao_ziyuan> or, use update-notifier when it's good
[20:55] <Riddell> I'll switch it back to update-notifier-kde tomorrow
[20:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Excellent.
[20:55] <ScottK> yao_ziyuan: ^^^ There you go.
[20:58] <yao_ziyuan> update-notifier-kde doesn't help either
[20:58] <yao_ziyuan> well...
[20:58] <yao_ziyuan> if i run: update-notifier-kde -c
[20:58] <yao_ziyuan> it does check if there are updates
[20:58] <yao_ziyuan> but without -c it doesn't
[20:59] <yao_ziyuan> all right. i installed it.
[21:01] <Lure> ScottK: even "average mom" has problem with new notifier: http://amber.redvoodoo.org/2009/03/ubuntu-chronicles-saga-of-amber-and_16.html
[21:01] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:04] <yao_ziyuan> now i modified update-notifier-kde to use "update-manager" if i click the tray icon
[21:04] <yao_ziyuan> the only problem is
[21:04] <yao_ziyuan> if i merely run "update-notifier-kde" without any arguments, it doesn't seem to sense potential updates
[21:05] <Riddell> translations seem pleasingly complete
[21:05] <yao_ziyuan> if i run update-notifier-kde -c, it recognizes there are updates, but i don't know if it continue to watch future updates
[21:10] <ryanakca> nixternal, Riddell: Would you two be available for a meeting sometime between 13:00UTC and 15:00UTC tomorrow to try to sort out help.kubuntu.org?
[21:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: could do, what needs sorted?
[21:12] <ryanakca> Riddell: *shrugs*, ask nixternal. I asked him a week or two ago about the status of help.k.o so that I could get to theming it, and I was told that we needed to have a meeting about it when you returned from (Nigeria?).
[21:12] <nixternal> ryanakca: yes
[21:12] <nixternal> ryanakca: I would like to get the docs sorted first and then work on implementing the h.k.o stuff
[21:13] <nixternal> once the docs are good, then h.k.o will just fall into place, leaving you with nothing more than some css loving :)
[21:14] <ryanakca> nixternal: OK... and how many weeks, (it'll probably take quite a bit of prodding the sysadmins) before release will h.k.o fall into place? And, do we still need a meeting then?
[21:15] <nixternal> well i have until the 26th to complete strings, and then the package goes through translations
[21:18] <yao_ziyuan> i reviewed update-notifier-kde's code
[21:18] <yao_ziyuan> and found it doesn't check for new updates by default,
[21:18] <yao_ziyuan> because that job is supposed to be done by kpackagekit now.
[21:18] <yao_ziyuan> so i must use the -c argument.
[22:47] <Gon> I have an issue in kmail D:
[22:49] <Gon> I'm using gmail with imap-offline, when I empty the trash from my account, kmail crash :s
[22:51] <seele> mmm.. bop
[22:52] <seele> ScottK: was there ever a resolution about notify-osd and kubuntu and how the packages conflict?
[22:57] <Riddell> ~twitter update mutt just had a glibc exception and deleted my inbox
[22:57] <kubotu> status updated
[22:57] <Riddell> I should change to something reliable like kmail
[22:58]  * seele coughs
[22:58] <seele> kmail huh?
[22:59]  * seele has lost many an email thanks to kmail
[23:03] <nixternal> oh where or where could out jjesse be? the work took him away from me
[23:03] <nixternal> s/out/our/
[23:04] <seele> nixternal: in the original, strangely upbeat way, or the modernly interpreted sober way?
[23:04] <nixternal> i like the pearl jam way, so i am guessing that would be the modernly interpreted way?
[23:05] <nixternal> but i had to change the lyric, cuz in that song the lord took his baby away
[23:05] <seele> yeah, the perl jam version is very somber compared to the original
[23:05] <seele> i've no idea why the original is so fast and upbeat
[23:05] <nixternal> ya me either...my mom even likes the pearl jam one better, and that is like one of her favorite songs
[23:07] <nixternal> that is like the saddest damn song ever
[23:14] <Mamarok> Riddell: don't, lost mails with kmail, and it still crashes on me
[23:17] <nixternal> Riddell: welcome to the "Mutt broke and my inbox was removed" family :(
[23:18] <nixternal> though I lucked out because I used offlineimap to keep my mailboxes in sync...I am using KMail now
[23:18] <nixternal> disconnected imap with gmail, works like a champ for me
[23:24] <ScottK> seele: pitti said he'd do some .desktop magic to make notify-osd only start if you're in Gnome.  That should cover us for Jaunty.
[23:25] <seele> ScottK: cool beans
[23:56] <torkiano> hello all, any kubuntu developer can take a look to bug 292098 ?
[23:57] <torkiano> upstream said that It's a downstream problem...