=== txwikinger3 is now known as txwikinger [01:22] can i join the testing team [01:30] burba_: It is an open team on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-testers [01:37] burba: You will also want to read https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters [01:39] ok thank you [01:51] how to i join the testing team [01:54] burba: It is an open team on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-testers [01:54] to upgrade from one release to another is it upgrade-manager -d? [01:54] jjesse: What release are you trying to upgrade to and from? [01:54] 8.10 to 9.04 [01:55] that's the supported way correct? [01:55] Yeah, update-manager -d should work [01:56] You might need the -c flag too [01:57] ah now the upgrade would work, but once 9.04 is released, will it just be update-manager -d [01:57] correct? [01:57] I don't think -d is needed once it is released. -d = upgrade to the devel release [01:58] ah [02:00] jjesse: The wiki for intrepid was telling people to do 'sudo do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to Intrepid after it was released [02:00] nhandler: awesomethat's what i need [02:01] ah and to do a developmental upgrade its sudo do-release-upgrade -d [02:02] and when you do the sudo do-release-upgrade -d it will change your sources.list to jaunty :) [02:04] Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever upgraded using the supported methods. I've usually upgraded pre-alpha [02:09] #kubuntu-team [02:34] maco: thanks for the quick reply :) [02:35] * dtchen spots another core [02:35] no problem [02:35] core? oh you want an uploader [02:35] so nixternal...mind uploading a debdiff for me? [02:35] (bug 343254) [02:35] Launchpad bug 343254 in linux "pulseaudio: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343254 [02:35] is this some of your crack? and where the hell are your upload rights? [02:36] they expired a year ago [02:41] dtchen: building now [02:47] nixternal: ok. the only diff between that version and the one already built in my ppa (0.9.14-0ubuntu12~crimsun1) is in debian/changelog. [02:52] dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131799/ [02:53] don't know if that is a booged hook, or those are purposely missing [02:54] from which package? [02:54] damn script [02:57] yeah, the output there is not helpful [02:57] e.g., pulseaudio ships those gzipped [02:57] and libpulsecore9 ships the actual library [03:09] dtchen: you are right, that package is good to go...i shall upload it now for you [03:09] nixternal: thanks [03:10] Successfully uploaded packages [03:10] done [08:40] ryanakca: i saw the failures... they are fixed in an extra upload of the affected packages [09:01] shouldn't we get libopensync-plugin-kdepim removed. as far as i can see, it is for kde3 version of kdepim; and we can not upgrade to a new version as we need to match the version of opensync in the archive [09:07] a|wen: it have to be removed [09:07] opensync is not supported in kdepim atm [09:08] Tm_T: thought so [09:08] at all, it might work, but that would be like winning in lottery [09:10] Tm_T: currently uninstallable [09:11] I wonder why [09:12] a|wen: kdepim is depending on it? [09:12] Tm_T: i hope not... [09:13] hmm, so why it is uninstallable? [09:14] Tm_T: depends on libkcal2b (>= 4:3.5.7) which does not exist [09:14] ... [09:14] madness [09:15] jup [09:17] no it has no reverse depends though; which is a good thing [09:22] a|wen: so it just needs to be nuked [09:23] Tm_T: i think so ... i'll just try to do a rebuild and see if that produces anything usable; if not i'm filing a "nuke request! [09:23] quickly granted ... rebuild not possible [09:24] aye [09:24] Akonadi folks are trying to make it to do the job, so kdepim doesn't need to know about those itself [09:25] uh oh, cool ... i want that :) [09:25] there should be some alpha-state google support already [09:26] haven't tested it yet though [09:27] okay... hopefully something to come for 4.4 if we are lucky... [09:28] 4.3 possibly [09:29] let's hope [09:31] gah, so much things I would like to help but I cannot because of time and especially money ): [09:33] Tm_T: bug 343578 ... do you think it looks fine? [09:33] Launchpad bug 343578 in libopensync-plugin-kdepim "[source+binary removal] libopensync-plugin-kdepim" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343578 [09:34] fine by me [09:36] should we remove it from intrepid as well ... or is that more hassle than necessary? [09:44] * Lure likes qtcurve [09:52] a|wen: should be removed from everywhere it doesn't work IMO [09:56] done! ... and ubuntu-archive is subscribed [10:01] can i run update-notifier (not update-notifier-kde) at kde startup for update notification? [10:01] sure [10:02] just make it run, needs some tweaking in .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autorun/ dir [10:03] i just added it in System Settings > Autostart [10:03] yao_ziyuan: .desktop file? [10:03] bah [10:10] jjesse: thanks [11:56] unbelievable... [11:56] * jussi01 wonders who the ssh maintainer is so he can get grumpy... [12:01] debian I expect [12:04] Riddell: can you explain why you might expect this to change from commas to spaces? AllowGroups [12:04] This keyword can be followed by a list of group name patterns, [12:04] separated by spaces. [12:04] in ssh? [12:04] * jussi01 had to go get physical access to the server after an ssh update killed it... [12:10] I've no idea [12:24] Riddell: do you think you have time to sponsor the gtk2-engines-qtcurve portion of bug 342473? [12:24] Launchpad bug 342473 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.62.2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342473 [12:25] can do [12:26] thx [12:30] I must say 1 hours is the shortest time I've had to wait until promotion for an MIR [12:30] I guess it shows just how badly gtk-qt-engine was hated :D [12:47] rgreening: I accidentally the whole kdmgreet scaling [12:47] better mark it off your notes plasmoid :P [12:55] JontheEchidna: Tonio_ says "I just uploded everything required." [12:55] Riddell: He might have commented on the wrong bug [12:56] JontheEchidna: but he didn't upload gtk2-engines-qtcurve? [12:56] If he did it must be taking forever to publish [12:56] Riddell: I think he might have been wanting to comment on the MIR/default setting/desktop seed bug [12:56] he did upload all of that [12:57] And I don't see 0.62.2 published [12:57] or pending [12:58] a|wen: splendid :) [13:00] JontheEchidna: where's the .orig for that? [13:07] Riddell: oh, oops [13:08] Riddell: attached [13:08] hrm, wasnt today the day they were supposed to come back to us to say if we get sponsorship to uds? [13:09] Riddell: There were some bits of it stuck in New, but I was a bit confused by it and what the overrides should be so I didn't touch it. [13:09] JontheEchidna: ^^ [13:10] ScottK: bits of which?> [13:11] One of the qtcurve packages. [13:11] don't see any now [13:11] OK. [13:12] yep. gone now. [13:17] JontheEchidna: what's the problem with gtk2-engines-qtcurve ? [13:17] JontheEchidna: I saw that your upload is lost somewhere.... [13:17] Yeah, the 0.60.2 update never made it, it seems [13:17] JontheEchidna: launchpad says it's built, but it doesn't appear in the archives [13:18] JontheEchidna: hum, I have 0.60.2 here [13:18] JontheEchidna: was I supposed to upload something else ? :) [13:19] http://pastebin.com/m6aa9898f [13:19] JontheEchidna: just wondering where is your last upload.... [13:19] JontheEchidna: oh no right I have 0.60.0 [13:20] Well I never actually asked you to sponsor the 0.60.2 bugfix release so I guess you weren't *supposed* to [13:22] JontheEchidna: well afaik, it was uploaded, and built.... there is a problem with the archives on that point... [13:22] weird [13:27] Riddell re-upped, so hopefully everything will be good now [13:45] JontheEchidna: hum I just looked again... I probably made the confusion between kde-style-qtcurve (which was indeed uploaded) and gtk2-engines-qtcurve... [13:45] JontheEchidna: I slept 5 hours for the all last 4 nights.... that explains :'( [13:45] Tonio_: your redraw issue with qt-4.5 fixed? [13:46] freeflying: still happens a bit, but not that much... [13:46] Tonio_: it always happen here, and cause a some other issues too, confirmed with other distro's user [13:47] JontheEchidna: but when I said "uploaded everything", I was talking about the 3 packages I mentionned, not the gtk2-engines-qtcurve itself... sorry for the confusion... [13:47] Do we want the patch in Debian Bug 448555? [13:47] Debian bug 448555 in libqt4-core "libqt4-core: fonts are not hinted, therefore blurry and ugly" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/448555 [13:48] do u think qt-4.5 is too bleeding edge? [13:49] We've already jumped to 4.5, so it's water under the bridge at this point. [13:49] * ScottK hopes that translates. [13:50] ScottK: you don't have the redraw issue? [13:50] * ScottK isn't on Jaunty, so no. [13:55] Riddell, ScottK: remind me: if only rebuild is needed, can buildd admin just give-back, or is no-change upload required? [13:57] Lure: Did it fail to build? [13:58] ScottK: no, rebuild due to transition to exiv2 0.18 [13:58] That needs an upload then. [13:58] ScottK: ok, thanks for confirming [13:59] ScottK: and "build1" version tags are still used for packages that do not have ubuntu specific change, right? [14:01] freeflying: redraw issue: on intel card? [14:01] Lure: yes [14:01] freeflying: I have this also on x200s - see bug 279727 [14:01] Launchpad bug 279727 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Display Corruption w/ Intel 4700MHD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279727 === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [14:08] Riddell: Do you have any hints on how to set arch specific build flags with cmake? kde-style-skulpture could use the same fix cjwatson did to qt4-x11, but I've no idea how to apply it. [14:09] ScottK: I think you'd have to set it in debian/rules [14:10] OK. [14:10] if DEB_ARCH is hppa CMAKE_ARGS += -DCFLAGS=foo [14:10] obviously that's psudo code [14:11] If anyone has time to look into it, that'd be great as it'll be a day or two probably before I can get to it. [14:59] maco: i didn't understand the change of the dc loco from the nu loco.. are all the central eastern locos being removed from northeast? [15:00] seele: the northeast one is dead [15:00] this gets dc loco to stop having "dead ubuntu community" listed on its front page [15:00] i didn't realise northeast was a real loco, just a group of locos [15:00] cuz well...far as i can tell..dc loco is at least somewhat still alive [15:01] yeah it is.. they still maintain the ubuntu lab and i think kevin still does some things [15:01] at one point we were organizing locos by regions in the US, but that was abandoned [15:01] i realized im still an admin on NU so i figured id get us off the dead list [15:33] hello. i decided to test latest dev version of kubuntu in live cd mode - i've downloaded iso image, correctly wrote it to usb flash, insert flash in pc and booted; after init window plays music and screen goes black, but mouse cursor is still visible an movable, but nothing happens - screen just black and glow. so, if anybody clashed with this already, i will be very appreciate for any clues. [15:34] ia: did you use a beta release or one of the daily releases? [15:35] i just did a beta install from usb this weekend and it was fine [15:35] nixternal: it's a alpha-6 [15:35] hrmm, it worked fine here...what video card are you using on that system? [15:37] it's i945 intel chipset. [15:38] nixternal: btw, tty-s working and switching fine [15:38] hrmm, I will have to give my laptop a go and see if it is having issues...I did have issues with the older intel chipsets after my last install which was about a month ago [15:38] what about restarting x? have you given that a shot yet? [15:39] take a look at the ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if there are any errors [16:01] ia: check in /var/crash did plasma crash? [16:03] nixternal: well, i don't think that problem in chipset or in video subsystem - screen however looks like works fine - it's just doesn't show desktop :-) [16:03] Riddell: wait a few minutes :-) [16:07] Riddell: yep, there is two crash-files - plasma and nepomukservicestub. [16:09] ia: I think plasma will start if you rm /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-appletsrc [16:09] you can use alt-F2 konsole to get a terminal in the X session [16:09] then you can start plasma [16:09] Updating to the latest packages should also fix it [16:09] JontheEchidna: oh? what changes? [16:09] There's a patch for the startup crash [16:10] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.2.1a-0ubuntu6 [16:12] which I need to backport to kubuntu-experimental [16:13] ia: so try again with today's daily-live CD [16:14] Riddell: i've removed (backed up, actually) plasma-appletsrc and restart X-server - now desktop works :-) thanks. but AFAIU, now I have no working plasma, right? [16:14] if your desktop works then you have a working plasma [16:15] JontheEchidna: your gtk-qtcurve looks nothing like mine [16:16] Riddell: rly? [16:19] JontheEchidna: if I rm .config/qtcurve* it reverts to your screenshot style [16:20] ah. I seem to remember that the author did change the defaults for the 0.62.x releases [16:20] so maybe you had older defaults? [16:23] cute [16:23] Kubuntu is a beating stick [16:23] JontheEchidna: I guess so [16:27] The KDE icon mapping in pure Qt apps is pretty cool too [16:27] oh, that's if you have the kde style installed [16:27] and are using it as your Qt theme [16:27] so many themes [17:09] * dAskreeCh chuckles at the things people blame ubuntu for [17:34] JontheEchidna: I personally switched to qtcurve for kde... [17:34] JontheEchidna: I prefer oxygen, but having a nice unified theme accross all widgets is more important imho :) [17:34] I personally just use Firefox until I am sick and tired of it, then use Konq until I get sick and tired of it :P [17:34] rinse, repeat [17:35] otherwise I don't really use any GTK apps [17:35] nixternal: do you still get random corruption on the screen? [17:36] Riddell: not at all [17:36] humph [17:36] BTW, are the file type associations fixed for firefox in kubuntu? [17:37] I mean, after installing Firefox, the programs associated for, let's say, pdf, were not set in my box [17:37] Not sure a clean way of implementing it on Firefox package (distro autodetection and mime association changes) [17:38] most likely one would need to make a kubufox like ubuntu has ubufox [17:39] firefox needs to use xdg-open I think was the conclusion when we looked at that [17:39] Didn't know that one [17:42] Why don't we have a kubufox [17:42] as I recall yo ucan get Firefox to use KDE's file dialog [17:42] That alone would be worth it [17:45] The file dialog thing is an iffy hack [17:47] How iffy? [17:47] Also while we are on KDE integration what's going on with OO.o I heard they turned off KDE stuff for automated builds? [17:48] Yeah, the OO.o KDE4 integration crashed OO.o on startup [17:49] so they reverted back to KDE3 integration [17:50] Oh [17:50] That's what that was [17:50] I didn't know they had KDE4 integration in the works :) [17:50] Ehm, could someone help me? Firefox won't start anymore. It says this: [17:50] The kde.openoffice.org site is pretty dead [17:50] which unfortunately means we probably won't be able to kick kde3 kdelibs off the CD :( [17:50] Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.0.1 and 1.9.0.*. [17:51] I think this has to deal with XUL, so I checked if it is installed [17:51] * dAskreeCh suggest kicking OO.o off ^_^ [17:51] It wasn't, but after installing, it still doesn't work and complains about the same error [17:51] dAskreeCh: lol [17:52] if only KOffice2 were a replacement for OOo [17:52] :-) [17:52] I really need firefox, because I have a bottle of fruit juice here, and that has a code on it which I must enter on a website. I can win a trip to Spain or something :P That site doesn't work with Konqi [17:53] cumulus007: you might have more luck in #ubuntu or something, I don't think anyone in here is a real FF expert [17:53] cumulus007: Install epiphany ? [17:53] you could try using the arora browser, it's pretty good [17:53] I got that [17:53] will check it in arora [17:54] Why does Konqueror stick on KHTML [17:54] it pretty sucks [17:54] a combination of political and technical reasons [17:54] Riddell: I have a patch we use at work to let firefox use xdg-open for every file format.. [17:54] Tonio_: poke it in the direction of asac? [17:54] Riddell: but that's a patch on sources, unlikelly to be applied... [17:55] Riddell: why not, but I'm pretty sure he'll be affraid by it ;) [17:55] Riddell: but I send it to him by email... [17:55] hmm, no luck with my code [17:55] cumulus007: Quite a few reasons [17:56] Riddell: also the patch would also be effecive for gnome, nd that's useless, firefox can see gnome file associations via gnome-vfs... [17:57] Riddell: but I'll ping him on that point [17:57] * Tonio_ has to go... seya [17:57] btw, my nepomuk crashes all the time with a segfault [17:57] anyone noticing the same? [17:58] * dAskreeCh played with Nepomuk pre KDE 4.1 and hasn't had it on since [17:58] yes, nepomuk crash is a problem [17:58] Not so much that I don't like nepomuk I just don't like strigi [17:58] we need to look into the new backend [17:58] The non Java one? [17:59] I want to search trhough my folders, like I did on GNOME with Tracker :| [18:00] dAskreeCh: yes [18:00] cumulus007: Without it seizing totally control of your hard drive and totally killing system performance, I assume? [18:01] uhu [18:03] Wow, there have been two upstream releases of QtCurve since we updated already... [18:04] bugfix ones too [18:05] bug 343761 [18:05] Launchpad bug 343761 in ubuntu "problem with gtk style. GTK Style breaks on restart " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343761 [18:06] QtCurve will not be a long term solution I hope ? [18:07] just for jaunty ? [18:08] Until something better shows up [18:09] qt-gtk-engine is imho better [18:09] it just doesn't work for ff tb and OOo [18:09] and works for all the rest of gtk+ apps I tried [18:10] it crashes gnome-appearance-settings [18:10] er, properties [18:10] why would anyone want to use that in kde4 environment? [18:10] they wouldn't === EQP[AwNg is now known as LjL [18:11] but those with gnome and kde would be affected [18:11] and in fact are [18:11] qt-gtk-engine is also rather dead upstream, isn't it? [18:11] that too [18:12] well that's just considering gnome now has Qgtkstyle ... [18:13] .... so sad === PcYpVWD\ is now known as LjL === gkiagia_ is now known as gkiagia [19:12] wow, gtk2-engines-qtcurve is nice..! (and fixes all the issues I've been having with gtk-qt-engine) - hoping that users do not need to manually replace them?! (I've done so yesterday manually). Thanks! [19:14] blueyed: I'm not sure. Users of alpha 6 and earlier may have to set it manually, but from beta1 on it should be default [19:15] Is it reasonable to have a package depend on python-kde4-dev ? Or should it only be python-kde4, with python-kde4-dev as a B-D? [19:16] JontheEchidna: and on upgrades? I think it could need some conflicts/replaces?! [19:17] hmm [19:18] I don't think it would be right to make gtk-qt-engines uninstallable if you have qtcurve [19:18] it would be nice if we could get some testing to see what does happen on an upgrade [19:19] ryanakca: It should be fine. system-config-printer-kde already depends on it [19:19] and its in the default install [19:20] JontheEchidna: *nod*, I'm packaging it for Debian (experimental) so that we can get it into Kubuntu during Karmic. [19:21] fabo: hi; are you planning on doing an updated snapshot for experimental within the next few days? if not i need to start cherrypicking for example kde revision 940069 [19:21] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=940069&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 940069 | Should fix a bug reported by Wesley Wang on kile-devel where chinese characters were being discarded as they were typed. [19:23] JontheEchidna: I think this is essential, since usability improves _a lot_ with gtk2-engines-qtcurve. I'll check it out (upgrading in a virtualbox that is). [19:23] blueyed: It would be very much appreciated :) [19:24] JontheEchidna: I'm testing Intrepid=>Jaunty, correct? [19:24] yea [19:25] ryanakca: pykde system-settings modules need python-kde4-dev to run (would be nice to fix that) [19:30] Riddell: could you take a look at bug 343797 please? [19:30] Launchpad bug 343797 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release of QtCurve (0.62.4)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343797 [19:30] deja vu :P === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [19:31] Riddell: are you archive-admin? Can you sync one package for me? [19:31] Lure: could do [19:32] Riddell: great - bug 309684 [19:32] Launchpad bug 309684 in exiv2 "FFe and sync request for exiv2 0.18 from Debian Experimental" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309684 [19:33] Riddell: Could you give me a brief overview of how I'd fix that? [19:33] ScottK: around? [19:34] ryanakca: it's loading libpython2.5.so but it should load libpython2.5.so.1 [19:34] ryanakca: the code for that will be hidden somewhere in pykde, you'd need to ask sime for a pointer [19:34] Riddell: ok, I'll take a stab at it. No garantees, but a stab is better than nothing :) [19:35] also I think our kdebindings needs changed from python 2.5 to 2.6 [19:37] are there any agenda items for the meeting tomorrow? [19:37] "things to do before beta" [19:37] also membership consideration for Quintasan [19:38] sounds like all technical stuff [19:39] i haven't found this bug on launchpad, when i logout of kde.. i end up having to restart because it doesn't go to kdm [19:39] it goes to this blank screen where if i type anything it goves a funny symbol like [^G] [A^], etc [19:39] got nvidia^? [19:40] yes [19:40] and what's with the nvidia logo when i booting up o.O [19:40] I've had that problem since kde 4.0.0 [19:40] it only seems to affect nvidia cards though [19:40] odd [19:40] Lure: Vaguely. [19:40] i don't like having to ctl-alt-backspace [19:40] my kde session isn't saved that way [19:41] yeah :( [19:41] any plans to fix it? [19:41] i wouldn't mind trying to fix it [19:41] ScottK: just clarification: do I need another ack for bug 343549, or is single ack from ubuntu-release enough? [19:41] Launchpad bug 343549 in pyexiv2 "FFe for pyexiv2 0.1.3 (preconditioned with exiv2 0.18 FFe)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343549 [19:42] For Main, one is enough. [19:42] ScottK: package is in universe [19:42] Two then. [19:42] astrobear: the nvidia drivers are closed-source, so not much we can do :( [19:42] * Lure find that difference a bit strange, but ok [19:43] seele: you called the meeting, nothing from you? [19:43] ScottK: ok, will wait for another ack [19:43] hi... im testing jaunty in vmware fusion... and it doesnt start... i mean loading icons are shown but then i get a black screen.. nothing is visible.. just that an application died.. is this known bug? [19:43] Riddell: i *organized* the meeting because people asked if we were going to have one [19:43] heya, got a technical question: [19:43] nookie^: Yeah, and it should be fixed if you update to the latest packages [19:43] i don't have anything to talk about. [19:43] when trying to compile amarok (after installing all deps), one usually still misses "libstrigiqtdbusclient-dev" [19:43] The one wasn't Riddell was it Lure? If it was, he can approve updates to KDE stuff on his own. [19:44] and this is not detected by our CMake checks [19:44] JontheEchidna: if i could only... im trying to boot live cd [19:44] which fault is it? KDE, ubuntu, amarok? [19:44] thats when i crash [19:44] s/which/whose [19:44] ScottK: no, it was pitti [19:44] ScottK: but no problem, I can wait [19:44] Which is odd if it's in Universe. [19:44] nookie^: press alt+f2 [19:44] ScottK: it is linked with exiv2 FFe, which is in main [19:44] JontheEchidna: ah, good point. would #nvidia have any pull, maybe some nvidia devs are in there? [19:44] you could launch konsole form there [19:45] astrobear: dunno [19:45] ScottK: and we need both, to make sense ;-) [19:45] JontheEchidna: another bug aswell... i have dedicated 8gb to my vmware and the only window i get up is that im out of space.. weird! [19:45] Riddell: if you approve also bug 343549, even better ;-) [19:45] Launchpad bug 343549 in pyexiv2 "FFe for pyexiv2 0.1.3 (preconditioned with exiv2 0.18 FFe)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343549 [19:46] markey: I seem to remember that's because the old strigi didn't install some file that's needed [19:46] Riddell: ah, so this is going to "fix itself" in jaunty, you think? [19:46] JontheEchidna: check here http://image.x0r.se/img/9bd56acb2dca1f46521c0cea65a93f0e2b86e97d.png [19:47] nookie^: This is with the live cd? [19:47] markey: I think it still needs something updated in the cmake module [19:47] JontheEchidna: yeah downloaded it 20 mins ago [19:47] Riddell: we may want to disable the low space kded module on the livecd. How would we do that? [19:47] JontheEchidna: I did that on friday [19:47] oh, good [19:47] nookie^: ^ [19:47] JontheEchidna: Riddell: =) [19:48] nookie^: what live CD is that? [19:49] Riddell: just a sec let me send u the link [19:49] its alpha 6 jaunty [19:49] desktop cdd [19:49] cd [19:49] Riddell: this one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso [19:49] nookie^: ok, so today's daily-live CD should fix that, want to rsync it and check? [19:50] Riddell: ok, if you have something for us that we amarok guys should fix (in cmake files), please keep us posted :) [19:50] Ridell sure i can i need you just to guide me but ill be back in 30 mins if it's okej,. need to go and buy some food [19:51] do u have maybe the link to daily-live cd which i can download? [19:51] it only take 10 mins to download [19:51] nookie^: see KubuntuFiles for rsync command [19:51] on wiki [19:52] Riddell: sure i will [19:52] cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live to download [19:53] downloading ... [20:02] Tm_T: last time you said update-notifier can be used in kubuntu [20:03] Tm_T: but just now i manually "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and apt-get tells me there are some updates, but i don't see update-notifier show up a tray icon [20:04] Riddell: works fine but i now get another small error [20:04] check here [20:04] markey: the FindStrigi cmake file seems to be written such that if strigi/streamanalyzer.h is installed it assumes all the strigi headers are installed [20:04] http://image.x0r.se/img/e351dfd15dc79b5526114a14e4eca06134cca1ed.png [20:04] fabo: I wonder if we should consolidate the strigi header packages ^^ ? [20:05] Ridell: another thing... why should i have battery icon there since my computer is only power supplied [20:05] ? [20:05] nixternal: seem that bug from nookie^ ? [20:05] nookie^: currently it's on for everyone, I'm going to look if there's code to only add it for laptop users [20:06] Ridell: or to have 2 version allowed for download maybe.. 1 desktop 1 laptop [20:07] just for one configuration option? [20:07] seems a bit excessive :) [20:07] Ridell: i dont know what what's easier :P [20:07] hehe [20:09] okej... i will see if i can find any more bugs are report them [20:11] thanks (probably not hard though) [20:13] Riddell: interesting, it is happening to me as well [20:14] I am on it!!! [20:14] no need to fear, for I is here [20:14] cheesy too, or cheesey, or cheesie [20:16] ahhhh, I see why [20:16] we recently changed the doc location from /usr/share/doc/kde4 to /usr/share/doc/kde didn't we? [20:16] that will get fixed with the doc release [20:17] nookie^: did you create a bug report for that issue? [20:18] yao_ziyuan: If it's the Gnome update-notifier you're using it's because in Jaunty it doesn't have an icon anymore. [20:18] Yes, this is on purpose and please don't get me started. [20:19] anbody plans to go to gran canaria? [20:19] * Lure is considering to go with the family [20:20] nixternal: for which issue? [20:20] i hade 2? [20:20] had [20:20] the help stuff [20:20] docs, about-kubuntu [20:21] actually, all docs are broken [20:21] nixternal: i haven't =( [20:22] i can do it if needed [20:23] nixternal: please do so [20:23] roger that...thanks for pointing that out btw [20:23] Lure: hope so === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [20:25] ScottK ... [20:26] Wait a week and it'll open a window telling you about the updates. [20:27] From what I've seen approximately no one outside the team tasked with Ubuntu U/I design thinks this is a good idea, but .... (and I'll leave it at that - Lots of discussion on ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss if you're interested). [20:30] Riddell: great, that would mean at least you and seele [20:30] nixternal: no probs =) [20:43] JontheEchidna: the logout problem is no more! :) [20:43] really? [20:43] yup [20:43] how'd you fix it? [20:43] download the latest driver from nvidia's website [20:43] 96.43.11 [20:44] the nvidia driver offered through the repos is old [20:44] oh, cool [20:44] everything works just fine, i was getting a little side-tracked testing opengl with open arena :) [20:45] ;-) [20:45] who needs glx gears when you have that :) [20:46] * JontheEchidna files upgrade request [20:47] ScottK: since adept-notifier is no longer provided in jaunty repos, [20:47] ScottK: i just installed kpackagekit. but i removed /usr/bin/update-notifier-kde and its xdg autostart link. [20:48] i wonder if kpackagekit depends on update-notifier-kde for showing update notifications? [20:48] no it doesn't [20:48] now i see kpackagekit flashing up a notification window, for only 3 seconds [20:48] * ScottK recalls some discussions about that, but not what got decided. [20:48] Yeah. That's a bug in KNotification. [20:49] ScottK: how to fix? [20:49] It's supposed to be a persistent notification. [20:49] ... [20:49] Dunno. [20:50] kpackagekit, like adept, doesn't check a downloaded package's signature or warn about unsigned packages [20:50] so i always use apt-get or update-manager to perform updates [20:50] but i'm in kubuntu and i want a notification mechanism [20:51] maybe i will be able to hack kpackagekit's notification and let it open update-manager instead of kpackagekit [20:52] or, use update-notifier when it's good [20:55] I'll switch it back to update-notifier-kde tomorrow [20:55] Riddell: Excellent. [20:55] yao_ziyuan: ^^^ There you go. [20:58] update-notifier-kde doesn't help either [20:58] well... [20:58] if i run: update-notifier-kde -c [20:58] it does check if there are updates [20:58] but without -c it doesn't [20:59] all right. i installed it. [21:01] ScottK: even "average mom" has problem with new notifier: http://amber.redvoodoo.org/2009/03/ubuntu-chronicles-saga-of-amber-and_16.html [21:01] ;-) [21:04] now i modified update-notifier-kde to use "update-manager" if i click the tray icon [21:04] the only problem is [21:04] if i merely run "update-notifier-kde" without any arguments, it doesn't seem to sense potential updates [21:05] translations seem pleasingly complete [21:05] if i run update-notifier-kde -c, it recognizes there are updates, but i don't know if it continue to watch future updates [21:10] nixternal, Riddell: Would you two be available for a meeting sometime between 13:00UTC and 15:00UTC tomorrow to try to sort out help.kubuntu.org? [21:10] ryanakca: could do, what needs sorted? [21:12] Riddell: *shrugs*, ask nixternal. I asked him a week or two ago about the status of help.k.o so that I could get to theming it, and I was told that we needed to have a meeting about it when you returned from (Nigeria?). [21:12] ryanakca: yes [21:12] ryanakca: I would like to get the docs sorted first and then work on implementing the h.k.o stuff [21:13] once the docs are good, then h.k.o will just fall into place, leaving you with nothing more than some css loving :) [21:14] nixternal: OK... and how many weeks, (it'll probably take quite a bit of prodding the sysadmins) before release will h.k.o fall into place? And, do we still need a meeting then? [21:15] well i have until the 26th to complete strings, and then the package goes through translations [21:18] i reviewed update-notifier-kde's code [21:18] and found it doesn't check for new updates by default, [21:18] because that job is supposed to be done by kpackagekit now. [21:18] so i must use the -c argument. [22:47] I have an issue in kmail D: [22:49] I'm using gmail with imap-offline, when I empty the trash from my account, kmail crash :s [22:51] mmm.. bop [22:52] ScottK: was there ever a resolution about notify-osd and kubuntu and how the packages conflict? [22:57] ~twitter update mutt just had a glibc exception and deleted my inbox [22:57] status updated [22:57] I should change to something reliable like kmail [22:58] * seele coughs [22:58] kmail huh? [22:59] * seele has lost many an email thanks to kmail [23:03] oh where or where could out jjesse be? the work took him away from me [23:03] s/out/our/ [23:04] nixternal: in the original, strangely upbeat way, or the modernly interpreted sober way? [23:04] i like the pearl jam way, so i am guessing that would be the modernly interpreted way? [23:05] but i had to change the lyric, cuz in that song the lord took his baby away [23:05] yeah, the perl jam version is very somber compared to the original [23:05] i've no idea why the original is so fast and upbeat [23:05] ya me either...my mom even likes the pearl jam one better, and that is like one of her favorite songs [23:07] that is like the saddest damn song ever [23:14] Riddell: don't, lost mails with kmail, and it still crashes on me [23:17] Riddell: welcome to the "Mutt broke and my inbox was removed" family :( [23:18] though I lucked out because I used offlineimap to keep my mailboxes in sync...I am using KMail now [23:18] disconnected imap with gmail, works like a champ for me [23:24] seele: pitti said he'd do some .desktop magic to make notify-osd only start if you're in Gnome. That should cover us for Jaunty. [23:25] ScottK: cool beans [23:56] hello all, any kubuntu developer can take a look to bug 292098 ? [23:56] Launchpad bug 292098 in kubuntu-default-settings "okular can't presentation fullscreen" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292098 [23:57] upstream said that It's a downstream problem...